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Sir Ridley Scott Teases PROMETHEUS Sequel...And Ford In That BLADE RUNNER Follow-Up!?!?!?!

 

 

Metro has a short question and answer with Sir Ridley Scott - and thanks to Aint It Cool reader Uridium for the heads up about this.

While it's a very quick exchange, a few brief asides are sure to send a significant charge through the Geekverse.  

 

Regarding the PROMETHEUS sequel (a few persistent rumors say it's called PARADISE - I certainly wouldn't take that to the bank just yet, though), Scott says...

You’ve got a person [Noomi Rapace’s Elizabeth Shaw] with a head in a bag [ Michael Fassbender’s David] that functions and has an IQ of 350. It can explain to her how to put the head back on the body and she’s gonna think about that long and hard because, once the head is back on his body, he’s dangerous. 

 

So that’s the sequel? 


[Laughs] I wish it was that easy. They’re going off to paradise but it could be the most savage, horrible place. Who are the Engineers?

 

And..regarding that new BLADE RUNNERverse movie we've been hearing about lately...

It’s not a rumour – it’s happening. With Harrison Ford? I don’t know yet. Is he too old? Well, he was a Nexus-6 so we don’t know how long he can live [laughs]. And that’s all I’m going to say at this stage.

More HERE at Metro.  


The PROMETHEUS Blu-ray hit this week - a dazzling product.   I find myself both shocked and amazed by its alternate scenes/deleted material.  Three sequences in particular...the alternate Fifield monster incursion, the alternate finale conflict between Rapace and the Engineer, and the alternate awakening of the Engineer/Weyland confrontation...I felt were very much superior to versions used in the theatrical release.  This said, I've yet to listen to these sequences with Scott's optional audio commentary running...so I haven't heard the rationale for why they were tweaked/excised.  But, I liked these alternate takes - a lot.  If you have the set, or get it, be sure to check 'em out...

 

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  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Ford!

    by J

    If he is in it, I guess that would answer whether or not he's a replicant being as he's so old and all that... Just sayin'

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    now, please folks, don't get your knickers in a twist again

    by gerry derboven

    Sir Ridley Of Scott likes to troll. a lot.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit

    by unkempt_sock

    Did he just admit that Decker was a replicant?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Ford in Blade Runner?

    by Darth_Nader

    I want more life, fucker.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Whoa, Whoa....

    by J

    "He was a Nexus 6"???? So, he's admitting that he was a replicant?? Or (more likely) just being a smartarse....

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Scott's said Decker was a replicant for years

    by rev_skarekroe

    The screenwriter says he wasn't. There's some filmmaker conflict with that concept.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    ford will remember how much 'fun' he had shooting the first BR

    by gerry derboven

    so, no, he won't be back.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    remember when ridley scott said sci fi was dead?

    by Stephen

    I'm glad he changed his mind

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Well if Scott says so...

    by ATARI

    whatever -- doesn't Phillip K Dick count for anything?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Lets pass on both films

    by Logan_1973

    Who are the damned engineers indeed. Don't you think that question should have been answered when you had the chance? And don't mess up BR now. Please, Sir Ridley...please retire.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Ridley has been saying

    by jawaburger

    Deckard was a replicant since he made the movie 30+ years ago. It was his intention regardless of how the character was portrayed in PKD book. That is why there is the unicorn scene and glowing eyes. You are more than welcome to interpret the movie however you want, of course.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Decker was not a replicant.

    by Gabe Athouse

    That's just tacked-on bullshit after the fact. Scott's just sick of being asked about Alien and Blade Runner and is taking the piss.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    I'm hoping Ridley read all the knocks on the Prometheus writing

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    And throws down some serious shit with the sequel. Could be mind blowing on that Engineer planet. Imagine all those flutes!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    The "glowing eyes" was an accident

    by GodMars

    It's been covered to death; Ford stepped into Sean Young's light--it was NOT intentional.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    he's becoming like george lucas

    by gaygoonie

    filling in the mysteries of his original films with SHIT.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Try reading Future Noir

    by jawaburger

    The book that chronicles the making of Blade Runner. It includes interviews with Ridley going all the way back to when the film was getting made. He said he was a replicant back then, and he says so today. You don't have to agree with him, but it is his movie.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Deleted scenes

    by Sandy

    I'm in TOTAL and COMPLETE agreement on those three scenes that were dropped in favor of the ones we ended up with. The deleted versions were FAR superior and deserve to be added back in for a "special director's edition" or something. The alternate Fiefeld monster scene in particular was disturbing in a way I haven't experienced in a film in a LONG time. The theatrical version was merely gross, unpleasant make-up that made the guy look like a zombie. Ooohh...my...how scary. (sarcasm). Once I saw the alternate version, I couldn't get it out of my head for DAYS. I don't recall having an experience like that in decades. In fact, it's been a very few times, countable on one hand, since that fateful evening back in 1979 when I first saw Alien in the theater. The alternate Fiefeld monster scene brought back those feelings...it was disturbing and exciting. I was literally sitting on the edge of my seat. Going back and watching the theatrical version of that scene, it's lackluster, boring, confusing (the reactions of the other characters CLEARLY don't fit with that version and were obviously meant for the alternate one) and just plain uncreative. If anyone from Fox or Scott Free are reading/listening...GIVE US A SPECIAL EDITION WITH THOSE THREE SCENES ADDED BACK IN!!!!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Please don't spoil your legacy any further Scott.

    by Volllllume3

    Don't become the next George Lucas.

  • Man, it feels more and more like a man who has run out of ideas and is milking past successes for one last shot at glory. PLEASE tell me how demystifying the ending of Blade Runner, or the Space Jockey in Alien, makes either a better film? Jesus god, the man is pissing all over his legacy with a fat stogey sticking out of his grinning mug.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    godmars

    by jawaburger

    please provide something to back that up. Ridley claimed it was on purpose in the interview I read.

  • All the clues are there - the eyeball bounce, Gaff's comments about doing a man's job, it's too bad she won't live, etc. Scott says he is, and filmed it that way. What more do you want, for fuck's sake?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Nexus-6 = 4-year life span...

    by Wickham Jones

    ...Rachel was an "experiment", possibly a Nexus 7.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    It's Deckard not Decker....you idiot.

    by Righteous Brother

    Have you even seen Blade Runner?? And, please no sequel, the original is a slice of near perfection as it is - there's just no need to revisit it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    So the Engineers will be the new "Monster" franchise?

    by grampageezer

    I'd like to know how in Prometheus 2, Shaw will be able to survive the long voyage to the Engineer's home planet? Will she fit their huge cryo machines, or will David somehow modify it for her? I hope too, that they touch more on the ancient aliens/Gods concept our myths, legends and Bible are so hugely based on, and not portray the Engineers as the new "monster" taking over for the Alien creature for the chase scenes throughout the ship. I can just see it now in the Walmart Halloween department......Engeers masks right next to the Freddy, Jason and Michael Meyers masks. And as for announcing that Dekker was a Nexus 6 Replicant; that was implied at the end of the Director's Cut when he found the origami unicorn in his apartment. So it's not a spoiler.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Everyone is certainly allowed to have their own beliefs

    by jawaburger

    but please don't pretend you opinions are fact. Ridley made the movie. It is his movie. When he says Deckard is a replicant, he is.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    what was the thinking behind deckard being a skinjob?

    by JAMF

    i mean, the cops hired tyrell to make a replicant just to catch other replicants? coz all the cops knew he was a replicant, right? i just prefer to think he was human or leave it ambiguous, but ridley "visionary director" scott had to fuck that up too. then people were surprised when prometheus turned out to have a shitty script.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    BR Director's Cut.....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    .....made it clear Ford's character was a replicant. Also Ridley's admitted that fact a few times over the years. I'm kinda surprised that story-point is even still debated by some fans?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Prometheus 2 needs to fix Prometheus 1

    by Raptor Jesus

    Not a good setup for a movie, is it?

  • It's a collaboration, but in both of these cases you have to ask why it is Ridley feels it necessary to revisit two of the most interesting mysteries of two of his most popular films? Was revealing the Space Jockey as a nine foot tall, pissed off, albino astronaut really an improvement? Does outright TELLING the audience, now, that Deckard is a replicant going to enhance their viewing of the first film? It's like a magician who completely fools his audience, only to pull down the curtain and walk them through exactly how he did it. Ugh. I'm more upset with how much opportunity Ridley is squandering rather than exactly what he's doing. He could be branching out into completely new sci-fi, putting his visual abilities to use making new worlds come alive. But instead he's milking franchises that are best left alone and he's damn well pulling the tits off the cow in the process.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    jamf - ever hear the expression, set a thief to catch a thief?

    by irishraidersfan

    Maybe, just maybe, Deckard would think in the same fashion as the other replicants? Not considered that? That was Scott fucking it up, was it? Or maybe you just don't have a clue.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Deckard is NOT a replicant

    by NightArrows

    For if he was, the end of Bladerunner would be fucking pointless. As it sits, with Deckard NOT a replicant, and Ridley's mouth taped shut, it's absolute perfection.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    godmars - the glowing eyes was an accident?

    by irishraidersfan

    Bullshit. How do I know? Go read Future Noir - The Making of Blade Runner by Paul M. Sammon. The trick was hard enough to do in the first place...

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Harrison Ford should have died after he made this and Raiders.

    by Smarty_Feldman

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The Director's Cut clearly makes it clear that Dekker was a Replicant.

    by grampageezer

    If anyone recalls, Dekker had reoccuring dreams of unicorns. And after finding the origami unicorn that was left in his apartment by the other Blade Runner as a message, realized his dreams and memories were "planted".

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    The glowing eyes thing *Was* an accident...

    by Righteous Brother

    go read Future Noir again. They decided to keep it in though. Ridley has stated that Deckard is supposed to be a replicant though, in a channel 4 documentary (interviewed by Mark Kermode) However, I think the whole Deckard being a replicant thing makes a mockery of Bladerunner and turns it into a bad Twilight Zone episode.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I'm never going to buy the Deckard was a replicant retcon bullshit

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Roy’s decision to let Deckard live would be rendered pointless.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    alienfanatic

    by jawaburger

    I won't comment on your Prometheus rant because I don't care about that movie. Ridley isn't just saying that Deckard is a replicant now, he said it back in 1982 when he made the movie. I agree, it doesn't enhance the movie. I actually kind of like the aspect that as a human Deckard has no emotion and Batty has a lot of emotion . . . I am not saying that the FACT that Deckard is a replicant makes the movie better or worse, I am just saying that he is a replicant, according to Ridley. I am also not discounting the effort the writers put into the script or their thoughts on it. When Ridley was brought on to helm the movie, he went in and helped rewrite the script and then he filmed HIS vision, not the script writers.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:10 a.m. CST

    So Deckard wasn't a replicant because.....

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    ...some fans simply don't like that idea? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!! Sorry it doesn't work like that. If the Director's cut makes it clear the character is a replicant and the director says the character is a replicant....then that trumps some guy on the internet who says he isn't a replicant because xyz.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    @scirocco sorry mate but don't try to diminish Ridley's

    by frank

    responsibility for this crap movie simply because you hate Lindelof for making Lost. Ridley not only cared a lot for this project but he fought for it from the beginning. He was the one who wanted a new Alien movie for years, he was the one who asked for bigger budget, he was the one who took the original script and asked for rewrites from Lindelof, he was the one who was deeply involved in the marketing and promotion of the movie. These are well known facts. And then ofc there is the bluray documentary that DVader mentions which clearly showcases the affection that Ridley has for this project. So no Ridley didn't just take a paycheck for a day's work and then went home. He had the full responsibility, control, vision and ambition to make a new classic scifi masterpiece, which would have been as intellectual as 2001 and would have also resurrected the Alien franchise and his career. Unfortunately for him and us, he failed. This is the truth, he failed. Ofc he is not alone in this failure but he has the biggest part in it. Why he failed when he happens to be one of cinema's gods? Well this is a subject for another discussion but let's say for now that for some people the big failure of Prometheus was not a surprise, rather a given outcome.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Well said fat_rancor_keeper

    by jawaburger

    I actually like the idea that Deckard could be a human, but that doesn't mean he is. I certainly don't let it ruin what an awesome and influential film that Blade Runner is. Either way it is one of the best Science Fiction movies ever made.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Actually Deckard wasn't a replicant in the source material

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    He takes and passes the Voight-Kampff test.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    @righteousbrother on BR plus P and P2

    by BradM73

    @righteousbrother - I don't see a direct reason to revisit the original story of blade runner (no remakes or reboots), though I've always been intrigued by the world in which the story plays, and I've always wanted to see more of it. Not sure if you played the blade runner PC game that came out back in the mid-90's, but it expanded slightly on that world while staying in context to the story of the movie, and I ways soaked that world up. For as much as I liked blade runner, I always felt the end of the movie was incomplete. If Deckard learned that he was a replicant, it would have been a complete mind-fuck that I don't think he would have taken very well. Anyway... On Prometheus... I got the entire story the first run through. I don't know why people were so pissed off about the plot or story. I understood exactly where Scott and Co were going with this movie, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Sure, Prometheus is also in a perfect position to set up a sequel, but so did Alien in consideration after the fact. Prometheus gave is the information we needed to tie it into the original Alien movie and to expand on that universe of storytelling, all while leaving that world up for further expansion. We could go on and on discussing all of the cool possibilities for a sequel, and I have some major ideas myself (call me Ridley, we'll talk!). But taking the movie for what it is, it was a great ride. On Prometheus 2, I think there is a LOT more going on that just the engineers starting life on Earth, Earthlings going in search of the Engineers, with resulting interaction creating the Alien as we know it in Alien, Aliens, etc. I don't believe the Alien was originally created by humans DNA interacting with Engineer DNA. In the chamber behind the giant head in Prometheus, there is clearly a mural of what looks an awful lot like an Alien, so they must have existed before. My thinking is that the a engineers are at war with some other race of spacefaring aliens (other than the Alien), and they sent the black goo to earth to create a planet of lifeforms they could later reconstitute into warriors for their cause. Or something along those lines. I've got a few theories on that, but I can't wait to see more!!

  • Too bad she wont live, but then again who does?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    cut me off

    by Stephen

    The point is that a human life is irreparably pointless just like a robot life is. So it doesnt matter if hes a replicant because everyones a replicant, metaphorically or otherwise.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    @alienfanatic -"pulling the tits off the cow"?!?!?! LMAO!!!!

    by BradM73

    BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    re: "Harrison Ford? Well, he was a Nexus-6 so--"

    by buggerbugger

    Shut the fuck up, you crazy old fucking fucker! A movie about a man who realizes he's a robot is not the same - nor anywhere near as interesting - as a movie about a man who realizes that his inhuman prey is just as human as himself and has every right to exist. The whole movie is about what it means to be human, not what it means to discover you're a fucking synthetic creation that shrugs its shoulders at such a life-buggering revelation and then promptly has to go on the run with a factory-built fuck-puppet. Christ. Does Scott even understand the story he filmed?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Who are the engineers?

    by knowthyself

    Isn't that what Prometheus was supposed to be about? GEEZ Scott.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    fat_rancor_keeper

    by JRcanReid

    I don't like it, but that's the truth.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Teasing a sequel to Prometheus or threatening to make one?

    by JacksParasites

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    If Deckard is a replicant, then I guess that makes A.I. by Spielberg

    by Samuel Fulmer

    The best movie dealing with robots and their link to humanity then. Sorry, but Deckard as a robot just takes away, it doesn't add anything.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Prometheus was a mess

    by fscottnational

    A beautiful, beautiful mess.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Shit we're all haunted by dreams of out takes from Legend

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Just because Billy Barty is in your dreams doesn't make you a replicant.

  • Sorry. but.. after the major stumble that was Indy.. and all the fan boy jizz on just the prospect of Ford doing even a CAMEO.. He will be back. Sorry.. but his career has been in a major tail spin.. Crossing Over.. (did anyone actually see it before it went to dvd?). Morning Glory (I actually liked his role.. but he was playing 3rd banana at BEST). So a chance to work with a filmmaker who is still highly revered in a film that will likely have a pretty good budget... hell.. if they had warm sandwiches, I think Ford would show up. I mean.. seriously Harrison.. playing bitch to the guy who is the new Bond in that bland ass Western? (admittedly the relationship between Ford and Adam Beach we the BEST thing in that train wreck).

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    re: passing the test in the short story..

    by mcgillj

    remember the ENTIRE police squad in the story that was made entirely of replicants? Then the ONE who didn't even KNOW he was a replicant and was convinced he wasn't a replicant because he had passed THEIR test which wasn't the same as the one Ford gave out.. but they almost convinced Dekkard he was the Replicant? Just saying.. for argument's sake.. the short story is a long large leap from the actual story that made it into the film.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Please

    by CT1

    Dear Christopher Nolan, please never do this or become what these men become when they get old and start getting crazy and feeling the hands of irrelevance begin closing around their throats.. just hang on to your money, work on your little pet projects now that Warner Brothers would fall on a sword Ronin style for your ass, and leave the past where it belongs.. IN THE PAST. Don't become what Hollywood has become and tarnish your past "masterpieces". James Cameron has started to get a little shaky and trying to get in the headlines again, but he's probably just bored versus the onset of true delusion (more so than he already is). Please honor and protect your past creations so the generation you exposed to Batman never has their childhood tarnished and destroyed as happens so casually and callously these days. Thank you.

  • But after the massive disappointment experienced from seeing Robin Hood and Prometheus, you are no longer as highly ranked in my book.

  • If I were Ford, looking both at something as iconic as Blade Runner and his frosty relationship with Scott, I'd have second thoughts about appearing in it, if I cared at all about my image. Another perceived flop would do a great deal of harm to Ford's image. In your world, he has no place else to go but up, but perhaps in Ford's mind he's not anxious to dig a new cellar. I think he'll wait to see the script then decide. If it's amazing, he'll be on board. If he's hurting for money and Ridley air-drops crates of $1,000 bills on his front lawn, he'll sign. Otherwise, who knows?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    @righteousbrother

    by unkempt_sock

    Sorry, man.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    excluding Indy, Ford hasn't had a hit film for years and years...

    by Stegman84

    To be lead in an a-list major tentpole film again, no doubt with a salary to match, I'd roll dice to say that he will be back...or it is certainly very, very possible anyhow. 30 years, a career on the wane, and a bucketful of cash can certainly be a powerful set of motivators, I'd say. I do hate that Scott seems to damn insistent on making Deckard a replicant though. Sure, that can be his view, and it is likewise the view of many, but I'd rather they left that little bit of information open to interpretation. Sure, maybe have a bit of fun with it, but that hanging question is always going to be more interesting and more powerful than any definitive answer one way or the other. Scott should leave it that way.

  • David Webb&Kibbe gave Batty his most eloquent dialogue while Hampton Fancher put together most of the narrative and characters. And considering how wildly the movie diverges from the book, you can consider them someone else's baby at this point.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Deckard being a replicant is an even worse retcon idea than

    by frank

    the Immortals being aliens or the Force being microbes. Ridley has lost it for good.

  • But that's all a HUGE fucking coincidence designed to be an unresolved mindfuck? Most of the evidence says that Deckard's a replicant.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    @gravyakira ORLY?

    by Adam D. Kline

    Someone To Watch Over Me, White Squall, GI Jane, Black Rain, 1492, Hannibal, Body of Lies, A Good Year... these all got a pass from you?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    For the record...

    by Stegman84

    The actor who actually played Deckard, Harrison Ford, says Deckard was human. The producer who shepherded the whole project, Michael Deeley, says Deckard was human. Ridley Scott, director of the film, says Deckard was a replicant. And writer Hampton Fancher says it should be ambiguous and never clearly defined either way. Personally I agree with the latter (though I have my own personal view), but to say that Deckard is this or that because of the view of any one person involved in the film, which itself conflicts with the views of others who are equally important in the creation and life of this particular character on screen, is in no way an instant argument winner in my mind.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Yeah, what scratchmonkey said...

    by olivehead

    A movie about a man who realizes he's a robot is not the same - nor anywhere near as interesting - as a movie about a man who realizes that his inhuman prey is just as human as himself and has every right to exist. The whole movie is about what it means to be human, not what it means to discover you're a...synthetic creation...Does Scott even understand the story he filmed? This pretty well sums it up. Also, screenwriter saying he's not a replicant, having based his work on somebody else's book in which the character clearly is not a replicant, pretty much trumps anything the director has to say, as much as I love the guy and his work.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Exciting news!

    by D.Vader

  • That sounds like the feedback on Prometheus (After reading here, I decided I wasnt going to pay to see it). Why do director's hate good story now? I think all good movies need a retcon that makes them worse... even pointless, if possible.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    When the answer isn't as interesting as the question, you leave the question the fuck alone.

    by Walton Goggins Giant Breasts

    As such, no matter what Ridley personally thinks, or what anybody thinks, they should do as Fancher says and leave the ambiguity as it is, as that adds to the mystique of the character and film(s). To try and officially answer it 'in film' now would be lazy, pointless, gimmicky, and above all, unsatisfying.

  • He's just a frail little turd compared to Batty. It doesn't make any sense. You could argue that he was designed to be weaker so he wouldn't know what he is but it still seems pointless to build a weakling to hunt something so much superior. And Roy's life span ends shortly after the investigation begins anyways. Why didn't they just beef up security at Tyrell's place and wait for them to die on their own? Nobody anticipated they'd try to meet their maker to buy more time?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    What's the betting

    by donkey_lasher

    that a replicant in the Blade Runner sequel will look exactly like one of the Prometheus ship crew? I can't wait to find out. As for all this Deckard being a replicant? It's still open to interpretation. You can watch the theatrical cut and believe what people believed back in the day, and ignore the sequel, or you can embrace Scotts revised version. It would be like refusing to believe The Lord Of The Rings was canon, because Gollum and Frodo were chummy in the first edition of The Hobbit.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    *is just as human as himself

    by frank

    correction. more human that himself. Notice that Deckard killed the replicants with no remorse or hesitation throughout the movie. He was the best at what he was doing, an angel of death. Batty was a killer too, sure, but in the end, moments before his own death, he saved Deckard because at that moment Batty realized what a precious gift life was. That act caused the same epiphany to Deckard as well, he finally understood. And he decided to spend the rest of his life with Rachael. The angel of death became a lover for life.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    PROMETHEUS does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Merrick is right about the PROMETHEUS blu ray... i've been enjoying it for the last few days. So much content it really is a gold standard set! Only thing missing is an extended cut with all the deleted scenes restored (apparently there are more besides than those on the disc). Bring on PROMETHEUS 2 - hope Scott fast tracks it and directs once again.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Unicorn

    by supertoyslast

    In the Director's Cut it's pretty clear that Deckard is a replicant. Otherwise the whole unicorn motif makes absolutely no sense. However, this seems to be an idea which Ridley Scott tacked on after the original theatrical release was forced to have the driving-off-into-the-sunset ending. It seems likely that, as originally written, it wasn't even an issue if Deckard was human or a replicant (or at best it was left open to question). But after being forced into a happy ending, for the Director's Cut Scott created a downbeat ending which strongly hinted that Deckard was a replicant. The reason that this is problematic is that Deckard being a replicant makes very little sense in narrative terms. So, either way, the viewer has to swallow something that doesn't make complete sense. Unless you remove the unicorn scenes and, therefore, the question itself.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    And somewhere Ridley Scott is laughing his ass off.

    by Smerdyakov

    As the geeks debate whether Deckard was designed to be a replicant or not.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Replicant / Not-Replicant

    by bubcus

    So Scott says Deckard is a replicant. I prefer the ambiguity. So I just chalk it up as his opinion in the grand debate of the film and continue to embrace the fun mystery. Why let him be a spoilsport?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    I've just ordered seven hundred copies of PROMETHEUS on blu ray

    by Grace_Panda

    I figure if it makes serious bank sir Ridley will be far too busy franchising it out to make this inevitably bollocks Blade Runner sequel

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Anyway, stop bitching about it

    by donkey_lasher

    The is he/isn't he debate is old, and doesn't stop Blade Runner from being a great sci fi film.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    i_snake_plissken

    by D_T

    True about the V-K test, and though I haven't read the original story in years, I recall he did some other things that weren't conventional for a human. OK, fuck it, I looked it up on Wiki, had this to say: [begin_wiki_quote] In the book, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, Deckard appears more likely to be a human; references are made to him having passed a Voight-Kampff test during the Blade Runner recruitment process, and the behavior of replicants is more notably different from that of humans than in the movie. However, the book raises the same question in a different way: Deckard also makes use of devices such as a Penfield Mood Organ (which allows him to dial any emotion he wishes to feel at any moment) and an Empathy Box (which he uses to commune with others in the consciousness of an unknown being called Mercer). As such, even if Deckard is physically human, it is not clear that he is human in a way that is in any way recognizable to the reader. [end_wiki_quote]

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Fuckin' A - read the source material

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    The toad sequence at the end of the original story says it all.

  • do you get it now Scirocco? Do you understand why that pile of shit is an overrated, hollow movie made specifically for the uneducated masses? As i said. Time. The ultimate judge of everything.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Spoiler Alert?

    by Brody77

    Just saying, we haven't all seen Prometheus yet.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Time and Space Travel to Engineer Planet

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Don't worry, they'll just turn on the Jack Bauer 24 SUV warp engine and get there in 15 minutes. Just like how Bishop's designer got to the prison planet in Alien 3. They solved LA traffic, they can solve slow space travel. It's cannon.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I love how everyone's calling him "Ridley"

    by MovieManStill

    It's Sir Ridley Scott, you bitches.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    there will be another cut of PROMETHEUS on home video

    by Spandau Belly

    If it weren't for Lucas, Ridley would be recognized as the grandmaster of retcon. How many of his movies have alternate cuts? Off the top of my head... ALIEN LEGEND BLADE RUNNER (like 5 different cuts) GLADIATOR KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AMERICAN GANGSTER Yup, we'll get another version of this movie at some point, probably when PROMETHEUS 2 is coming out they'll release another version of the first film to cash in.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Ford was NOT a replicant, and heres why:

    by Ditko

    Because I prefer him to be human, that´s the Blade Runner I like, and that´s the way it'll be for me for the next few decades I´ve got left. Ridley Scott can say whatever he wants! lol

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Ridley Scott doesn't have a clue what his own movies are about...

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    so why anyone would take what he says as gospel is very strange. Just listen to his contradictory and illogical ramblings on various DVD documentaries and commentaries for proof: the man is half senile. He's still got a hell of an eye, but as far as content is concerned...forget it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Alternative cuts of Ridley Scott movies

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    There is also Robin Hood (fifteen minutes added for home release), an extended cut of Black Hawk Down, a longer cut of Black Rain that is about 160 minutes in length, and an international cut of 1492. There is an even longer cut of Legend in existence than the existing director's cut, but they've never been able to locate the original negative.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    TURD !!!

    by frank

    love you mate.

  • understand the themes of his own movies.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Farewell Sammi Kane Kraft ...

    by DrMorbius

    She played Amanda Whurlitzer in ... Bad News Bears. Passed away at 20 years of age.

  • But it works better on every level if he's not.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Yep, he doesn't

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    And he doesn't understand science, biology or physics very well, either....Vickers in Prometheus: "We are half a billion miles from earth". Lol. Not to mention the opening of the film, where the Engineer 'seeds' a planet with 'human' DNA - conveniently ignoring the facts of evolution.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    The Unicorn thing doesn't make much sense either way

    by Mugato5150

    So what, Commander Adama (or Captain Castillo if you prefer) was a programmer at Tyrell and he would know about Deckard's memories? And either way, the scene where the police captain has to explain to Deckard the most basic rules regarding the replicants doesn't make sense either. It's an artistic film, like a Stanley Kubrick or David Lynch film. It was never made to make sense.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Turd 2...

    by Righteous Brother

    It's not the first time a director or writer doesn't have a clue about what their own proeprty. I present to you, George Lucas and Star Wars, and Spielberg with Indy. Special mention should also go to Frank Miller and The Dark Knight Strikes Again.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    @moviemanstill

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    Respectfully asking: could you comment on the whole Sir thing? It comes across as unbelievably pretentious. Am I just mired in my American attitudes, or is it seen as disrespectful in Europe to not reference one's credentials? And not to be a dick (which I am), but it seems that if you can somehow manage to make a boring Robin Hood movie you should automatically have your knighthood revoked. Just sayin'.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    This is he/ain't he a replicant business....

    by Smerdyakov

    Is what made Tony jump off a bridge.

  • It seems to have lost all meaning, much like the royal family itself so who gives a fuck?

  • Rachael wasn't superhuman either. She is a new breed of Nexus, apparently the same as Deckard - full memory implants, "more human than human," with a seemingly tangible grasp on what is really a simulated history. Batty and co. were off-world soldiers, assassins, builders, and a pleasure model. The talk of Deckard being a replicant goes all the way back to the film's release, and it was discussed during the making of the film (one version of the script ended with Deckard's hand seizing up - like a machine; like Batty's.) In 1984 Scott told Omni Screen Flights magazine: "If you look at the film closely, especially the ending, you may get some slight clues that Deckard is indeed a replicant. At the end there's a kind of confirmation that he is ... within the context of the overall story, whether it's true or not in the book, having Deckard be a replicant is the only reasonable solution." And this was for the out-of-his-hands theatrical cut.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    The CG Fifield monster looked awful. Practical was better.

    by OgieOglethorpe

    That thing looked like 10 year old 3D game rendering. Way below par for today's movie footage. I agree on the other two sequences though, and probably the intro with the other engineers.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    For me it's better if Deckard is a replicant

    by access virus

    If Deckard is a human, you get a great film where one of the themes is that the human character learns to value the life of the replicants. That's good. For me, as an audience member, when I first watched the film I thought Deckard was a human, and related to him as a human, and then at the end there was the twist where he was a replicant. So instead of watching some character in a film learn that replicant life was as valuable as human life, instead of watching the character go through that, I went through those feelings MYSELF. This person I felt was a human, was a replicant all along? Shit, maybe they're not so different from humans! With Deckard as a replicant, it made me personally FEEL and LIVE THROUGH the theme, instead of watching the movie characters come to terms with that theme. That's genius.

  • Never gets old.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Mr. Scott: How can i put this...

    by Darkness

    Leave "Blade Runner" the fuck alone. I understand your compulsion to revisit "Alien" with "Prometheus", but the fact you are insistent on delivering an extention on the Philip.K.Dick mythology is just sacrosanct. Never mind you wanting to merge it with the "Alien" universe. Sorry mate, but Phil Dick, and the rest of the "Blade Runner" fanbase would unifiably concur that this is one heck of a mushroom cloud disaster. It's perfect, and needs no further explanation. Plus, Vangelis is in retirement, and he was predominantly the soul of the film. Blade Runner is one of the greatest movies made in the history of cinema. Don't tarnish it's memory.

  • Whaaa! He's not pondering to me anymore! He's ruined my childhood! Whaaa!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    pandering.

    by Righteous Brother

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    The deleted scenes explained more but the dialogue was awful...

    by I Hope You Die

    This movie was really let down but the quality of the writing and the deleted scenes were no different.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by Keith

    'the man is half senile' Tend to agree...sadly. I think that Alien and BR are two of the ten best movies of the last forty years, but Scott has never really appeared to grasp fully why they worked and what they were about. Maybe he's like Lucas...he has real genius, but requires others to constrain it and channel it, and in the absence of those forces, he'll tend to produce undisciplined crap. Or he may simply have lost it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Not this shit again...

    by IAmLegolas

    can we all agree now that we can't keep trying to re-live the 80's? It was great and creative time period, but it's over. Let's move onward and upward. Anyway, PROMETHEUS was handicapped by the Alien franchise, it could have soared on it's own.

  • ...is proof he had no idea what the story is about, and in effect made a great movie by accident. He was too incompetent to make the fact that he had ruined Dick's story overt enough to be noticed, and thus we falsely credited him with being talented for a while.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    *Rachael wasn't superhuman either

    by frank

    Rachael was a secretary ffs. A SECRETARY. not a police officer with the job to track down and terminate powerful androids. If Deckard was a replicant, it makes sense to have built him as a strong replicant capable of dealing with other strong replicants. Making him as a human-strong replciant, is like Skynet sent back in time a human to kill Sarah instead of a cyborg. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    I understand why you wouldnt want to do more Blade Runner

    by Stephen

    and I kiiind of agree, but I'm not sure. But Alien has been shot to shit for years, so as far as I'm concerned, treat that shit like Batman and keep churning them out. Appreciate the good ones. Ignore the bad ones.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    The PROMETHEUS Blu-ray hit this week - I dazzling product.

    by la_sith

    Spell-check. PLEASE.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    *Rachael was a secretary ffs.

    by Valaquen

    And Pris was a sex puppet, yet gifted with super agility and, it seems, strength. The new Nexus models seem patterned almost as civilians. Tyrell's playing a game with these beings, he doesn't care if they live or die. Throwing his new replicant (ostensibly Deckard) into the mix and watching him flail and figure it out and live or die doesn't matter a fig - look at how the pleasure he gets from watching Deckard figure out that Rachael isn't human. It's almost sadistic and certainly cruel. Anyway, arguments like these are akin to yelling into the void. For both parties. It doesn't help now that Scott is less eloquent and more confused than he was 30 years ago.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    *It’s not a rumour – it’s happening.

    by frank

    God save us all. The irony is that we have already gotten a masterful expansion of the universe with Westwood PC adventure videogame Blade Runner. It has a parallel multi-linear with different endings which starts before the events of the movie but also interconnects with them. It's a fantastic game which respects the BR world and greatly expands but you have to play it for yourselves to fully experience its rich content and quality. here is its trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acBnLMRIAD0

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    @Mr cavejohnson

    by albert comin

    I love that game too.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    There's no payoff to Deckard being a Replicant.

    by Fawst

    It doesn't bathe the film in a new light. You don't see it from a new angle with that "knowledge." It's just a lame "shock" ending that way. In fact, it makes absolutely no sense at all. Replicants are illegal on Earth. So why would the cops allow one to be planted in their ranks? Why would they play along with that plan? Do they really want to assist in what could potentially be a plan to replace all human police officers with Replicants? It just makes no sense.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    everybody's a replicant

    by Stephen

    its a cynical take on human society.

  • which makes my point stand even more. If even a sex toy replicant is such a lethal threat for an ordinary human, like it was showcased in the movie, then why the fuck do you make their replicant exterminators so weak? what's the reasoning for that? It's like you build Robocop to fight crime but you don't provide him with titanium bullet proof armor and robotic strength. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    i'm praying this won't happen

    by MustGoFaster

    Maybe a miracle will still happen like the studio doesn't think it will get its money back, and the movie will be shelved. I honestly couldn't give a shit if Ridley made Prometheus 2, 3, 4 and 5 (the first one was interesting in a driving-down-the-freeway-looking-at-a-car-wreck kinda way), but BR was that rare thing of a number of great artists coming together and having their once-in-a-career total genius moments at the same time (Fancher, Vangelis, Trumbull, Hauer). Ridley was NOT solely responsible for BR and as such he should not be allowed to fuck around with it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Deckard is a Replicant.

    by HughHoyland

    How many clues can the movie give? And someone mentioned the phrase "To catch a thief". You nailed it. They couldn't handle these things they created. So they got someone who could, another Replicant.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    And agreed, Prometheus is fantastic.

    by HughHoyland

    One of the best big budget sci-fi movies to come along in a long time. Cant wait for Paradise.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Deckard being a Republican is more possible and more logical

    by frank

    than being a Replicant.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Mitt Romney is a replicant

    by WalrusSAS

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Ridley, stop ... just STOP

    by radii

    Ridley, You're 75 ... your brother just died ... you can bang more chicks and maybe make 2 more good films before you get too old ... as a director ... stop the producing, stop the gazillion projects, stop Prometheus/Alien and Bladerunner ... move on with your career and your life

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Confirming Deckard as Replicant RUINS Blade Runner's theme

    by impossibledreamers

    End of discussion.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    unicorn dreams

    by lv_426

    Does anybody find it odd and slightly hilarious that a hard ass cop/blade runner, who is basically a stone cold killer, has dreams about unicorns? I guess that implies memory implantation. Still though, I think stating one way or the other whether Deckard is or is not a replicant is pointless. Like Hampton Fancher says in the Dangerous Days documentary, * the answer is stupid, the question is smart.*

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Turd, turd, turd...

    by D.Vader

    "Vickers in Prometheus: "We are half a billion miles from earth". Lol." She's not a scientist, just a corporate stooge. She's not supposed to know how far from Earth she is. "Not to mention the opening of the film, where the Engineer 'seeds' a planet with 'human' DNA - conveniently ignoring the facts of evolution." " This ignores the theorized idea that the DNA is coded to reach a specific end result. Just as the weaponized black goo is coded to transform life into the xenomorphs (taken from xenmorph DNA, perhaps), the seeds the Engineers used in the opening is coded to reach a specific end result- humans.

  • Deckard being a replicant doesn't change anything. He thinks he's human. He's the only replicant that doesn't realize it. His musings on human life vs artificial life, mortality, how much time we have, etc etc, don't become any less important simply bc he's fake.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    It's too bad Sir Ridley didn't make The Forever War

    by lv_426

    But then again, he might've fucked it up.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    So Fassbender will be a head in a bag for most of the movie?

    by Cobb05

    And he'll be tempting someone to put his head on a body?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Shadow 19

    by lv_426

    Hooty Hoot Brother Kong!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST

    wrong, d.vader.

    by DocPazuzu

    It changes a great deal. One thing, for instance, is Batty's demise. So Batty and Deckard didn't know Deck was a replicant? Haha, I guess the joke's on Batty! Go ahead and convince me that it makes no difference that the replicant with only minutes left to live spares the human because he's come to love all life, even that of his human enemy. The only purpose served by making Deck a replicant at that point is to score a cheap-ass M. Night twist ending.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Scott's hasn't lost it. He never HAD it.

    by DocPazuzu

    In one of the numerous documentaries I have dealing with Alien he says at one point that what made Alien work was that he didn't understand science fiction, that he "didn't respect it." Now, that attitude did give us a couple of absolute classics in the genre, but if that attitude doesn't change, and you keep going back to the well, your luck is going to run out sooner or later. Scott's Decklicant noodling was the first obvious sign that he really didn't understand what made BR work. Prometheus is the full-blown fruit of that cluelessness. I dread -- fucking DREAD -- his new BR movie. Please tell me this isn't happening...

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    What are we talking about here Paz?

    by D.Vader

    I'm talking about people who say it ruins the theme of the film or the discussion about real life vs manufactured life. You're bringing up tension within the film over Deckard being killed or not. That's totally different. But if that's where you want to roll... Yeah, if Deckard is a replicant, Batty doesn't know it, I presume.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST

    oh, and d.vader...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...I'm sorry, but corporate stooge or not, if you life in an age of interstellar flight and are actually ON one of those flights, you'd know the difference between half a billion miles and X number of light years. Not knowing that is about as dumb as if the scientists were to take off their helmets just because the air on a new planet is "breathable." Oops.

  • (BSG spoilers) I'm thinking the best fit would be if he were the re-incarnated Cylon Thetan of Col. Tigh. Gaff, played again by Olmos, can be a ghost. That's how he knows about Deckard's unicorn dream.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    life = live

    by DocPazuzu

    ffs

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Paz I think that's the point

    by D.Vader

    She just doesn't care enough to know. Its one of those little script moments meant to tell you something about the character. I think its okay that she doesn't know the right mileage, and I think its a real small bit to harp on as much as some people have.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by DocPazuzu

    I only harp on it when I see defenders bending over backwards trying to defend/explain it. The fact of the matter is, Prometheus has so many other major problems that Vickers' gaff is negligible. It is, however, another example of how sloppy the script is. There's no way around that, no matter how many intellectual contortions are applied.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    cobra--kai ---- Prometheus 4-disc set

    by lv_426

    Even though I had mixed reactions to the film, there is no denying that they've done a man's job on the 4-disc Blu-ray package. Yeah, I would have preferred an actual extended cut with all those extra scenes added in, in place of say the DVD/digital copy disc. Did you see those creepy spider facehugger things they were going to have, which would of lead to the sexburster? The Furious Gods doc is almost more interesting than the actual film. All in all, a worthy addition to the great Alien Anthology Blu-ray set.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    DocPaz

    by D.Vader

    Well, to be fair, I'm not bending over backwards to explain it or defend it. You're the one who brought it up. I certainly wasn't accusing you of harping on it either (there have been several others that use that as part of their big attack against the film), so don't take it that way. Yeah, there are other elements of the movie that one could definitely harp on and I'd understand (the helmets for example, though they don't bother me). But fact of the matter is, there IS a way around the Vickers' mistake, and its easy: She's a corporate woman who wants no part of this mission and doesn't care enough to know facts like how far they are from home. It makes complete sense knowing what we know about her character.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    out of those 3 deleted scenes I only prefered one of them

    by cgih8r

    The Engineer speaking part was better in my opinion. It seemed to work quite well and it gave us a much better pay off after all that build-up to the scene versus having him say nothing and just start punching them. The other 2 deleted scenes were good decisions. The CGI Fifield monster was.....cgi, and Ridley wisely kept the real version. The extended Rapace vs Engineer battle didn't work. It starts with him taking a geniune interest in the human arts, but then when he sees Rapace he still wants to kill her without learning more about her...doesn't make sense, and he wouldn't have had that much trouble killing her after slaughtering 4 others twice her size. So Ridley for the most part made the right decisions.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I'll put it this way Paz

    by D.Vader

    If those other "weaknesses" didn't exist (the helmets being taken off, the guys getting lost, whatever else people complain about), I seriously doubt anyone would really harp on the mileage line. I think they'd accept it just as I'd explained it. But because people see other problems with the movie, they look for more to add to the list, so the line ends up being a problem. I think it'd end up ignored otherwise.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Here's why Deckard shouldn't be a replicant.

    by FluffyUnbound

    The entire point of the test given to replicants to detect them is supposed to be that the replicants don't have legitimate or appropriate emotions. It's the entire basis of replicant slavery. The novel's subplots also revolve around the human belief that humans have empathy and replicants do not. There is a new religion, Mercerism, where people link themselves up to a machine to experience emotions together collectively. This is supposed to be a physical proof that humans have empathy and replicants don't. Ultimately it is revealed that the Mercerist device is a fraud, and that there is no real proof that humans experience empathy at all. And considering that the action takes place on an Earth humans have destroyed, driving virtually all other life extinct, there is no basis for humans to think that they are emotionally superior to replicants. I'm bringing in the novel to inform the film because to me for the story to work, the ultimate resolution has to be that Batty is emotionally superior to Deckard. Deckard is a repressed and cowardly gumshoe; Batty is a poet and revolutionary, who lets Deckard live out of compassion. But the entire reason Deckard is the cop and Batty the criminal is because Deckard is supposed to be emotionally the superior one. It's irony. If Deckard is a replicant, there's no conflict at all. It's just a joke.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by DocPazuzu

    I think you'll find that I wasn't the one who brought it up. It was Turd. And yes, it does ruin the beauty of BR to make Deckard a replicant. It's much more interesting that Deck's monotonous, emotionally flatlined existence is a symptom of everyday human life whereas the replicants, the artificial beings, are much more "alive." You can argue that this doesn't make any difference so long as Deck THINKS he's human, but if he's artificial, how much of his emotional flatline is the result of everyday life beating him down and how much has been programmed? No, there's much more poetry in the idea that it takes an artificial being to teach a human what "real" life should be about. Ridley Scott just doesn't get it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    lv_426 does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    lv, I think any regular talkbacker will know that are the AB King of the ALIEN universe! I have to agree with you. I think THE FURIOUS GODS documenatry in many ways is a better watch than the movie itself - because there is no plot in a making of! Nothing for the haters to fixate on. I cant imagine ANY fan of cinema not being thrilled by THE FURIOUS GODS... its inspirational stuff. ps. Also love the concept art of the slimy snakes with Alien mouths, would've been an improvement on the Cobra snake they actually went with imho.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Why morons think Deckard was human

    by veteran_of_mu

    1) Morons think all movies have to be about good vs evil. And morons think replicants are evil. 2) Morons think Ford has to play a hero. And morons never heard of such a thing as an anti-hero. 3) Morons don't believe there is such a thing as sub-text. If a movie doesn't say "X is Y" with a couple of explosions for punctuation, morons believe X is not Y. 4) Morons don't care what the director means. They only care about what they want to believe. 5) Morons don't believe the world's greatest cinematographer notices red-eye. 6) Morons think humans can do one-handed pull-ups with 2 broken fingers. 7) Morons think the unicorn scene doesn't exist because they don't want it to exist. 8) Morons don't think Tyrell, the great chess player, is capable of playing a chess game using replicants for pieces. 9) Morons think Batty learned Deckard's name by telepathy or warrior instinct or something. 10) Morons just can't stand having been wrong for more than 30 years.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    DocPaz

    by D.Vader

    Whoa, I had a brainfart and thought you brought up the Vickers' thing first in *our* debate (which I guess is true... from a certain point of view =)). But then that means... you WERE accusing me of bending over backwards to explain it! You bastard! I don't disagree with what you said about Blade Runner in the above post. I was merely responding to those who say it ruins the movie or the themes of the film. I think its fine either way- he's human, he's a Replicant, believe whatever you want. As for Deckard having an emotional flatline bc of everyday life or programming? I think you could flip that around on Batty, which makes the issue you brought up even more complex. Was he programmed to care about his fellow Replicants? Was he programmed to eventually reach his final conclusion that he appreciated all life? Can they evolve? Did He?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    actually, d.vader...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...Vickers' line would probably piss people off anyway. Even when I was ten years old I took notice when Han Solo said his ship can "make point five past light speed." It doesn't matter in Star Wars because it's fantasy, but Prometheus is pretending to be smarter than that. That's why it aggravates people.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by DocPazuzu

    I would say he did evolve to a certain degree. When he tries to tell Pris what happened to the others, he doesn't exactly choke up, but you can see he's very distressed. It's a wonderful moment which Hauer nails perfectly. It shows Batty trying to cope with a surge of unfamiliar emotion and not really knowing how to deal with it. One of my favorite BR moments.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    cavejohnson -- Mitt Replicant?

    by lv_426

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    caractacuspotts

    by DocPazuzu

    Show me one single post on this entire site where a deck-is-human talkbacker considers replicants evil. Idiot.

  • Trickle down.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Indeed it is, DocPaz

    by D.Vader

    For that reason, I don't know if it matters if Deckard's emotional flatline was a result of programming or experience. The point is, he can change- and he has changed as a result of his latest experience with Replicants. Human, Replicant, we're all programmed and we don't know our end-dates. I think Batty proves we can change ourselves.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Just like Weyland, octogenarian directors should step aside

    by Rtobert

    They fuck up everything they touch.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    while on the subject of morons...

    by DocPazuzu

    1) see above post 2) Batty is the anti-hero in BR, not Deckard 3) see above post again 4) when the director seems to change his mind on the subject every decade or so 5) because, of course, the red-eye can't be a sly comment on the lines between replicants and humans blurring for Deckard 6) only a retard thinks Deckard is actually pulling himself up with his broken fingers while not using any of his other limbs anchored to the ledge he's crouching on 7) see 5 8) So Blade Runner is now a chess game played by a master. A master who can't forsee Batty showing up and thumbing his brain 9) morons think that if Batty isn't shown finding out Deckard's name, then Batty must have known it all along. Despite only just arriving on Earth after living his whole life off world 10) wow

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Is Deckard a replicant? Is Cobb still dreaming?

    by Saracen1

    I love movies that leave such an open-ended question and leave it to the audience to decide. Unfortunately most Americans can't handle such plot threads. They must have closure!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    d.vader

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    You can't just write off that gaffe by Vickers as being part of her character. She's supposed to be the daughter of Weyland - a scientific genius -therefore she should have a competent grasp of interstellar travel and the basic laws of physics. In any case, it's just lame, and I chalk it up to Lindelof and Scott having no knowledge of (and, worse, no concern for) the internal logic of their science fiction universes. Secondly, the Engineer's DNA was shown to be a static, direct match for human beings. I didn't see any evidence in the film of it being something fluid and dynamic that could be used for the purpose of kick-starting a series of biological mutations or shunting along a chain of evolutionary progress. Yes, you could chalk it all up to being akin to that old standby McGuffin of the 'black goo'- which seemed to exist only to do whatever the hell Lindelof wanted it to do, rhyme or reason be damned - but that, too, is pretty lame. Lindelof just used that black goo stuff, and its magical properties, to lazily paper over the cracks in his shoddy screenplay. As you said, the postulation about the DNA is just fan 'theory'; however, theories have to be supported by the evidence presented in the actual film. Why should we, the fans and viewers, have to contrive convoluted theories to justify nonsense and validate shoddy filmmaking? The filmmakers themselves obviously didn't care, so why is it our responsibility to try and make sense of their mess? And that goes for all the hot-footing around the issue of whether Deckard is a replicant or not, too! It's a nice parlor game, but ultimately it just isn't supported consistently by the film itself, and is often contradicted by it. As has been pointed out here, ad nauseam.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Both films will be...

    by fauns_bass_1

    FUCKING SHIT. Fact. Fuck hollywood. Don't do it Ridley. This is desecration of two works of art. Go and see Dredd.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    If there must be a sequel or prequel to Blade Runner

    by lv_426

    Then I'd say the best approach would be to have it focus on all new characters, possibly in a different city or on an off-world colony. Even if still set in the futuristic Los Angeles of the original, that means there is a whole frigging city filled with millions of diverse types of people. No doubt there is a whole blade runner unit that Deckard had been a part of. If they really want to have a link to the first one, then maybe have Olmos in a minor role as Gaff, who could now be captain of the blade runner squad. Do we really want to see old Ford running from some young blade runner? And if Ford is a replicant, then shouldn't he have expired before he could age into his late 60's or early 70's? If so, were he and Rachel able to stay on the run for like 30-40 years without getting caught? Or did no one but the Tyrell Corp know about Rachel and Deckard being some sort of prototype Nexus 7 model replicants? It just feels like a stretch that there would be much story to tell with these characters at this point. Why not explore new characters instead? That is the one major thing Prometheus got right in a big way... new characters on a new mission instead of trying to shoehorn old Ripley into some quest for the space jockey.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Scott already talked about the opening of Blade Runner 2

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    And from what he teased, it seems he's going to use the discarded ideas for the opening of the original (which can be seen in the box set storyboards). We will see desert areas and farmlands outside the cities, with giant floating vehicles watering the crops, a visual contrast between low and high tech. The first scene will be a Blade Runner cop pursuing a fugitive replicant to an old wooden farmhouse. I f he's going to make a sequel there's no reason to keep it contained to the same locations we've seen before. Hopefully we'll see the out-world colonies as well. Or maybe Scott'll come to his senses and just make The Forever War instead.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    turd -- gaffe by Vickers

    by lv_426

    One thing about that gaffe about the interstellar distance is that it goes against her character. As you said, she being pretty much the heir to Weyland's empire would know such a thing. Also, she says earlier that she is very thorough and prefers to minimize risk. She doesn't seem the type to gloss over details like that. Also, I doubt she would want to appear unknowledgable about such things as interstellar distances in front of the captain of the damn ship. Now, maybe it was supposed to be a turn of phrase, but then why not say something a bit more colorful and slangy? Like what does Ripley say in Alien 3 when her and Dillion are trying to get the prisoners to help trap the alien, something like the company doesn't give a shit about a bunch of lifers that found God in the ass end of space? That is better, more natural and colorful. If they wanted Vickers to appear overly professional (robotic), then she should have been accurate, because otherwise it goes against her character. She is someone who wants to be in control, and doesn't mangle the facts of the mission, no matter how disinterested she is in alien space gods and black goo. Like I was saying in the last Prometheus talkback, Vickers and Shaw should have been combined into a single character. That would have given more screentime to exploring the lead's relationship with: Holloway, Sir Peter Weyland, and Captain Janek. I think it would have been much much more interesting to have the Shaw/Vickers character have daddy issues because of negletful father Weyland, than some throwaway dream/flashback with Patrick Wilson.

  • One might just say "half a billion" as a convenient idiom. <BR> Any way, Vickers is clearly a replicant as well- one of several "daughter/sex toy" units Weyland engineered to flesh out his corporate hierarchy with pre-programed stooges. After all, Tyrell was, it turns out, Weyland's mentor. <BR> Personally, I am enjoying how these two stories are dove-tailing together, and raising more questions as it goes. Would love it if all it led to a big-budget sci-fi series with Pearce as Weyland. <BR> Finally, if Rick Deckard was just another one of the replicants that Tyrell was playing god with (one specifically designed to go undected by Voight-Kampff and other means), that works for me, too.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Docpazuzu - great post!

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    For me, the source material is relevant (and in its own way ambiguous). Deckard finds a frog at the end of the book and is excited by the prospect of finding an animal in the wild. When he brings it home and discovers that it’s actually synthetic, I always interpreted that as the fact his “retirement” activities were essentially murder due to the frog being symbolic of being unable to distinguish the difference between replicants and humans (and thus calling Deckard’s own humanity into question). Honestly, I can appreciate either interpretation – I just honestly think Scott started with fucking with people to keep the buzz going about the film (an interesting way to get some good mileage from a box office failure). Us “morons” are still debating it decades later, so if that was his intent, he’s been wildly successful.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Further more.....

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    ..calling Deckard's humanity into question actually renders the question of whether or not he's a replicant moot. Overlay Batty's actions at the end of the film and it works perfectly - a synthetic life form more human than human.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    Why not just say *forty light years from home* instead?

    by lv_426

    That would make for a proper off the cuff remark yet at least a bit more accurate at the same time.

  • Dick Jones from OCP can co-star.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Doesn't have shit to do with his age

    by twogunjames

    Ridley Scott would have made much the same film 10 or 20 years ago that he made now if Prometheus would have happened then. I'm sick of people saying he's senile and too old to make films. That's just fucking stupid. Come on.

  • The soldiers in The Forever War will just be replicant soldiers fighting to free the off-world colonies from xenomorphs and engineers.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST

    d.vader have you seen the fucking movie?

    by frank

    The replicants were evolving through their life experience and ended up developing emotions, thus becoming dangerous to the humans as it was proved in bloody mutiny they did. In order to solve this problem, the Nexus-6 had a short life span of 4 years because it was estimated that at that point they would start developing emotions. It is all in the movie. Go watch it instead of defending the retcon travesty that Ridley did in the movie, with ridiculous speculations that you think of while talking here.

  • I've already said too much.

  • Anyone else catch it? It's just in text within the special features but pretty amusing.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    If Prometheus takes place in the same universe as Blade Runner

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Why are the replicants, especially Rachael and Deckard, more advanced than David and the other androids in the Alien films, despite predating them by at least seventy years, and why do they bleed 'realistic' red blood instead of milky white fluids? It's all just a mess.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    I cannot wait to get the blu-ray thanks for the heads up dojo!

    by adeceasedfan

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    the replicants are designed differently than the androids

    by Chain

    they were made to be more human-like. there's a piece I read where there was a communique by Weyland that discusses this. It was on this site last week. As for Prometheus I thought it was great. I agree with turd. I knew where Ridley was going with it. And yes I want to see the sequel.

  • Fucking Prometheus!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST

    feel = fill

    by albert comin

  • Ponder this though ... Batty knows Deckard's name in the finale, though they've never come into prior contact. Does Batty know or recognise him from somewhere?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Please no more

    by christpunchers2007

    Prometheus was junk. Illogical and not very frightening.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Tyrell was a Replicant, also.

    by zinc_chameleon

    If you can get your hands on the old paper version of 'Blade Runner' you will see the Ron Cobb series of drawings that shows a Tyrell replicant bank in the basement of the Tyrell Corp. pyramid. The real Tyrell didn't need glasses in these drawings; the Mr. McGoo look was to 'chill out the troops'. Think about it: in a world where 20/20 vision eyeballs were a black market commonality, why would the God of Bio-Engineering need glasses?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    trolol

    by broonyin

    ridley scott you trolling bastard....imagine though

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    One thing that doesn't add up in Prometheus is the background characters

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    Because of Ridley moving the mutant Fifield scene you can now see one dude get killed with that hook or whatever in his back and another dude (Jackson) shooting his gun at Fifield. The very next scene is Shaw stumbling into the room with the awakening Weyland and right there is the dead/maimed dude looking completely unharmed and out of his spacesuit and Jackson is now in white scrubs tending to Weyland's colostomy bag or some shit. Prometheus deserves a repaired cut. It may not make it suddenly a masterpiece but it could tighten and strengthen an ailing film. For whatever the films other arguable faults this rearrangement of scenes rings false/feels off and skews the whole third act and to me is one of the biggest mistakes Ridley has ever made. I can't unsee it now that I've seen it. Kinda like someone pointing out how the heart rate effect on all the separate characters monitor readouts are the exact same graphic. Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhh!!!!!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Either put it back as written and be faithful to the continuity that way

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    or go in and retool it completely. Either take out the shot of Jackson in the garage or digitally erase him. For the back hooked guy either digitally slap one of the other merc/mechanics on there or digitally remove him from the following scene. Even if they did that it would still leave another merc left unaccounted for between Weyland's foot washing session and him leaving for the Juggernaut. I propose that Weyland sent him in to take a look at the Trilobite and getting eaten right before heading over to the Temple. This would also close up everybody's nit with where the Trilobite got all that mass from.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Tyrell is a replicant, Jesus is a space jockey

    by lv_426

    Oh lordy.

  • Although, one would figure that the police force would keep the names of their blade runners under wraps for the safety of the people doing the dangerous job of hunting replicants.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    this_is_the_zodiac_speaking -- Fifield's rampage

    by lv_426

    I never noticed that with Jackson seemingly in two places at nearly the same time. Further reason that the Fifield rampage could and should just be cut out. The part in the pyramid where Fifield's helmet melts and caves in on his face is disturbing, but is ruined by the silly zombie mutant Fifield rampage scene that comes a bit later. Also, there are some good scenes on the Blu-ray deleted scenes feature that should be in the film. If anything, taking Fifield's rampage out would allow more time for them to have the extended engineer awakening and the longer version of the ending.

  • He gets bashed over the head and then??? 17 on board. 2 Archaeologists 1 Biologist 1 Geologist 1 Medical Officer 1 Corporate honcho 3 Pilots 4 mercenaries 4 mechanics Being generous it looks like mutant Fifield kills anywhere from three to five dudes. Even if five, that still leaves the one merc/mech that drives over the burning body with the atv. He's not in the foot washing scene. So where he go? This shit is tying my head in knots. I wish someone would make an awesome Primer type diagram to track these background dudes.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    How did Gaff know about Deckard's unicorn dream?

    by lv_426

    Since the Alien/Prometheus universe might be merging with the Blade Runner universe, could it be that dream monitoring and recording tech might have been a reality during the time of Blade Runner? Maybe the unicorn is a recurring motif in Deckard's dreams, and it showed up on a standard psych evaluation where they might very well monitor the patient's dreams. Gaff could have taken a peek at a psych analysis file on Deckard and learned of the unicorn dream. I would wager that to evaluate a possible candidate for the blade runner unit, certain types of psych evaluations are done to weed out the less desirable candidates. This could certainly entail dream monitoring, if the tech exists at that time. I think it is plausible, as even now, scientists are starting to experiment with reconstructing images from recorded brain patterns as they process images the eye sees. The dream monitoring tech in Prometheus definitely feels like a futuristic extension of this type of thing. Or maybe Deckard was wounded in the past, and had to spend some time in one of those isolation capsules like Holden in that deleted scene where Deckard visits him in the hospital? The capsule that Holden is in is a bit like an early version of a hypersleep tube isn't it? Then of course we have the hypersleep dream monitoring in Prometheus which was obviously either a discarded idea for the original Alien, or taken from Alan Dean Foster's novelization of Alien. This is of course one way to explain how Deckard could be human and Gaff knows about the unicorn. I prefer the ambiguity of the question, and don't want an official answer, even if it comes from Ridley. For those on the human side of the Deckard equation though, maybe this dream monitoring explanation works for you?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    I see what you're saying lv-426

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    But then we'd have to wonder "where'd all those background characters go?" Were they sleeping during the whole ramming the Juggernaut sequence? Maybe the Trilobite got loose and stalked them all through the ship, killing and eating them one by one. (Not a sequel or a prequel but a simulquel?) Did Janek just straight murder all of 'em? 7 able bodied dudes roughing it with Charlize Theron on a hostile alien bio-weapons laboratory/moon. Prometheus 2.

  • I think when Fifield attacks in the alternate version, Janek and one of the pilots goes with and they help fight. I'll have to watch that scene again to confirm. It also seemed like the mutant Fifield in the alternate version of the scene killed more people than the zombie version in the theatrical cut.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    cavejohnson, have you read my fucking posts?

    by D.Vader

    DocPazuzu and I were having a nice, civil discussion about two different films. He brought up the point that if Deckard were a replicant, it throws into question whether he was beaten down by life or if he was just programmed to feel that way. I brought up the emotions and evolution of Batty as a counter-point, that it doesn't matter what Deckard was programmed with bc Batty proves it can change. Its all in the post. Next time, read everything through instead of getting outraged over one comment and overreacting.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Turd

    by D.Vader

    I hoped you would respond that way. My theory that the goo is coded to end with a certain result is not just speculation- it IS supported by the events in the film. A. The xenomorph and eggs and face-huggers on the wall-relief suggest the Aliens already exist. B. When David holds a drop of the goo on his fingertip, it is in the phallic shape of the xenomorph head with light reflections giving it texture. A subtle hint. C. Every organism that comes into contact with the goo soon exhibits Alien-like looks or behavior (aside from Fitfield bc he hadn't been exposed long enough, though the behind-the-scenes show a design that was more Alien in appearance). The worms look a bit like face-huggers. The Squid is a giant face-hugger. The Deacon is like a proto-Alien. Its a weapon, we know that. The Engineers revere the Alien for some reason, we know that. It stands to reason that based on the evidence provided, one could deduce that the goo is a weaponized construct based on the Alien DNA, that when dropped on a planet, evolves, mutates, and changes at a rapid page to reach the eventuality of xenomorph Aliens as we know it. You can disagree all you want. But I see the evidence for that theory in the film.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    lv-426

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    They do in the theatrical as well. I'm just saying that if you cut out that whole scene you would then have even more people on the ship that disappear inexplicably. And that would be weaksauce supreme. In my opinion they should have just stuck with the way it was originally written/shot, for better or worse. At least it would have a stronger internal coherence. Then the argument could just be whether it was paced well or not..the way it is now is just a complete WTF? for me..to spend all that time and attention from pre-production on through production then onto post and then do that weird kinda butchery at the last minute is just odd to me. It'd be like If Michelangelo was almost done sculpting the Statue of David and decides he'll just cut the dick part off and duct tape it to his forehead instead.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Alien/Prometheus and Blade Runner continuity...

    by Valaquen

    from the Prometheus BD - that was written by producer Charles de Lauzirika, and he told movies.com that it was simply a gag: "As a Blade Runner fan, and because there’s been so much talk before this even occurred with people on the Internet speculating that maybe Alien and Blade Runner and Prometheus could all exist in the same universe, it was just more of a wink at that. Absolutely nothing to be taken seriously. I mean, I sent it to Ridley and he had no comment. (Laughs) So, it’s just icing on top of icing. It’s not the cake. It’s a fun, little side thing that’s very superficial. And, by the way, it in no way officially establishes that it’s Blade Runner because, if a lawyer were to comb through that, there’s no reference to Tyrell or anything in Blade Runner. It’s just a very lightly intentioned joke."

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    When Deckard sees a dead replicant, he wigs out and runs away, getting lost...

    by Queefer Sutherland

    ...and later, for no explicable reason, he has gone from being an irrational coward to a bold idiot, and tries to pet the next replicant he finds. His head is torn off and thrown into a gutter. The end.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    PK Dick wrote Deckard as human, but he liked Bladerunner a lot.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    So there ya go.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Ridley said Prometheus would be a "mind fuck"

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Yeah, I was out of my fucking mind for seeing it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST

    valaquen

    by lv_426

    *I mean, I sent it to Ridley and he had no comment. (Laughs) So, it’s just icing on top of icing. It’s not the cake. It’s a fun, little side thing that’s very superficial.* Nice find. I'm glad to hear it is not something that is set in stone in the canon between Alien and Blade Runner.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    = The PROMETHEUS Blu-ray hit this week - I dazzling product. =

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    You can wrap a turd in pretty paper and tie it with a ribbon, but inside it's still a turd.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST

    this_is_the_zodiac_speaking

    by lv_426

    That is true, you would have to explain where the rest of the crew went. I'd rather they had a larger party accompany Weyland into the ship to see the engineer. Or as you said, the trilobite could have had some of them for lunch. Or maybe on the way out of the pyramid when Holloway got sick, they could have had some more crew get attacked by the hammerpedes? I think in the early trailers, wasn't there a shot of Weyland and the others going into the hangar area and one of the security guys is shooting at something? I'm guessing that was where the Fifield attack was originally supposed to be.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Question about Prometheus

    by Dawhiteguy

    Why did the characters all act melodramatic, or unemotional. Does anyone else recognize this? If so, is there any theory or article about it. I thought that they were more unemotional because its the future and nobody is tense or worried about their mortality because of technological advancements.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland

    by Queefer Sutherland

    But this turd has corn in it!!!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST

    But Ripley doesn't like cornbread.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Ripley wouldn't like Prometheus either.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    She would shun the pseudo-intellectual claptrap of that cinematic disappointment. A dolled-up turd, no doubt! Turns out Ridley is only as cerebral as his screenwriters, and Prometheus was written by fucking morons.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Question regarding the Captain.

    by Lucky13

    Why does he act all sinister (or extremely nonchalant if you want to be vague) when the two idiots are lost in the Engineer ship/cave area? The part where he's telling them that there's a blip on the radar, that something alive is in there with them. They freak out as he tells them, and he's all casual like "yeah, there's something in there, we have no clue what it is, maybe it wants to eat your face for lunch.... good luck with that". When seeing it theatrically, and again on BD, it really feels like the captain is supposed to be in on the plot with Weyland.... or some kind of agenda, anyway. As it stands (unless I'm missing some clue somewhere), it really clashes with his "we must save Earth" attitude latter in the film. About to listen to the Scott commentary now... hopefully he brings it up.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Engineer vs human DNA

    by KGersen

    When I first watched Prometheus and they seemed to claim Engineer DNA was a 100% match for human DNA, I was aghast. This basically implied from the opening scene that Engineers would seed Earth (or another planet maybe) and after billions of mutations over some billion minimum of years that seeded DNA would end up as a 100% match with humans. Totally insane idea given how evolution works. I watched it again and it suggests a DNA match. This is plausible, in that Engineer DNA could be the base DNA for all life on Earth and good chunk of human DNA matches it. Now we have some theories floating around that Engineering seeding was done deliberately to create humans. Anyone who understands basic evolutuionary theory will tell you have fucking stupid this idea is. Once you seeded in such a way and allowed the forces of competition and time dictate which lifeforms survived, prospered and adapted, there is no way you could guarantee humans would pop out as the end result, basically mini-me harier, weaker versions of Engineers. If this is what kind of shit is going to be served up in the Prometheus sequel, please save it, it's so lacking in any sense that it's painful. Maybe some C-grade sci-fi hack writer might come with such an idea.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 4:59 a.m. CST

    I thought it's supposed to be ambiguous. He is, and isn't.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    It's a metaphor for the notion of humanity vs. android. Which is really more human? What makes you human? Genetics...lust for life? It's not meant to be concrete.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    @Mr kgersen

    by albert comin

    The movie Prometheus says the engineers's DNA is 100% compatible with human. This is the same to say it's 100% match. DNA is only compatible if it's a match. This is why we can only procreate with other human beings and not aproximations. Remember, in terms of DNA, what seperates us from our closest primate cousins the chimpazees is just about 5%. On the other hand, a 100% match would not mean that we and the engineers would be close, no, it owuld mean that we would be exactly the same. This means the engineer would be exactly like us, apearence included. Not tall marble skinned dudes with super-strengh, no, they would be exactly like us, they wouldn't be any different from us humans, they WOULD BE HUMANS. Another thing that upsetted me in the movie and should had made my warning bells ring is that as the movie takes great pain to show us using very expensive CGI, the engineers doen't just disolve, his DNA itself is broken up and turned to pieces. Broken DNA is mud. Nothing can come up from broke DNA. You can't create new live from a piece of DNA because that piece is a particular set of instructions for a particular part of a body. You can't raise up a whole new crature from a piece of DNA. At best you would get, say, a liver. A liver alone cannot be an individual creature. Again another piece of stupid absurdity from the pen of Lindelof. This is another one of those things that just denounces how ignorant Lindelof is, and how naive everybody else was to follow his lead in his bullshit, both filmmakers and audiences alike.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    @Mr hardboiled wonderland

    by albert comin

    Yes, Ridley Scott promised a mind fuck with Prometheus. Instead we got an ass fuck!

  • Pietro Scalia is quite famous (or infamous) for changing around entire scenes out of their inicial order, even if that causes continuity problems. He does that constantly. "Hannibal" is probably his most egrarious example. The opening scene in that movie was supposed to happen AFTER Clarice Starling met Mason Verger. Notice how when Clarice first meets him, the whole scene is shot as a build up, it's clearly made in a way to be our first look at him. And yet we had already seen him right in a big close up in the first scene in the movie. This is one of those reason why i'm always wary of Pietro Scalia editing movies, specially for Scott. He can always claim he goes for a stronger emotional impact, but he always fucks up continuity, specially for the more attentive in the audience.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    scirocco..."instead we got an assfuck"...hahahah

    by southafricanguy

    ...fucking great. My thoughts exactly...

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Promtheus was a fucking mess.....just too many

    by southafricanguy

    damn things wrong with it....and i was expecting it from the moment Lindelof was involved....but im sorry Scott is to blame to...he was behind all the decisions, and at the end of the day he signed off on that script, and he chose to film THAT script...

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST

    IMO Prometheus has more potential then the "Alien" series

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Maybe not in terms of money at the box office but in terms of content. I found the story much more interesting having already been a fan of the "Alien" universe and totally got what Scott was going for with it. IMO the best Sci-Fi movie this decade and massive achievement that many fans of Sci-fi have underscored hoping for something else out of this movie. The back story of the "Engineers" is far more engrossing then the "Aliens"

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    @Mr southafricanguy

    by albert comin

    Yes, rape as comedy. Though i find nothing funny about how i felt after i saw this movie. OK, maybe it is funny. One has to see the funny side even on the bad things, isn't it? I realy believe Scott had less say so in regard to Prometheus then most think. There's so much said between the lines about this movie. And the fact it was Lindelof that got fire from the possible future seqle instead of Scott means that Fox blmaes more the former then the latter, which should mean something. Still, it was a disapointment from a movie with Scott's name on it. I'd never dream this would happen.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    @allpowerful: "Best Sci-Fi movie of this decade"?!

    by AlienFanatic

    Yeesh. That makes me sad that the past decade was so thin on good sci-fi. I thought Prometheus was passable and pretty, but largely unsatisfying. Why is it so many people seem to want to make Prometheus out to be so deep when it's full of sci-fi cliche's, bad dialog, unsympathetic characters, dead-ends, and an unsatisfying tie-in with the Alien franchise?

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    @Mr alienfanatic

    by albert comin

    It's the Damon Lindelof effect. Aparently to be a good gek you have to kiss his ass, just because of all the bullshit he pulled off his ass for the six seasons of Lost. This is why i'm such a bad geek, because i don't want to kiss his ass, i want to kick it.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    to alienfanatic

    by Dawhiteguy

    So what part of the movie had unsympathetic moments? Is it after the abortion. The encounter with Weyland. A character being torched. Discuss.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST

    You know, though a sequel is not needed, it could be done well

    by HornOrSilk

    Just take material from Dick which didn't make it in the first. This will include the police station, Mercerism, etc.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST

    @Mr dawhiteguy

    by albert comin

    What part of the movie had unsympathetic moments, you askd? The whole of it! From begining to end. It starts with misguided atempt at icongraph, and ends why the dumbest decision a character could ever made after suffering through the events of the movie. Everything in the moive is idiots making terrible decisions and coming out as pricks or idiots or both. The exceptions could be David because he's following program (and here's an hint of contempt in his opinion on people) but an asshole programmed him so he has to act like an asshole, and there's Vickers te only real reasonable character in he film, which then treats her as a quasi-villain or hatable figure and then she finallty hold the idiot ball by the end because she was the last person not to until then. So, the short answer to your question is: everything. Hard to believe? I think so too.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    @Mr hornorsilk

    by albert comin

    The only thing that is giving me a glimmer of hope is that David Webb Peoples is back. Here's to hope.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    The end of Blade Runner

    by DrLektor

    It could be seen that throughout the film, Harrison Ford's human character is acting like an emotionless robot compared to the Replicant's behaviour of wanting to live as much as possible and then using that life to behave uninhibited. But at the end, the positions are reversed. Roy comes to terms with his own limited existence and Deckard feels true fear. Perhaps Roy spared him because he knew he was a Replicant and saw in him the potential for growth. Ah bullshit really, ambiguity is what makes it great. The mystery is the thing.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Prometheus is a great movie

    by BuffDaddy

    Because the scientist chick was flawless. Even her feet was top notch

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    @Mr buffdaddy

    by albert comin

    Swedish quality. Good for Volvo, good for the chicks.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    HOLY F*CK HARRISON FORD+BLADE RUNNER?????????????????????????

    by Balkin Flabgurter

    The road to val-halla was paved with Charlize Theron not running serpentine and Naomi Repace banging a human worm incubator.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    methinks they should leave alone.

    by affleck bomb phantoms

    I liked Prometheus, it had a shed load of problems, but I liked it, but I'm still not entirely comfy with the idea of Ridley revisiting past glories. If he wants to return to the sci-fi genre, then The Forever War is the one he should make.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST

    Finally watched all the extras

    by shitstorm23

    I did like them more than the movie, they at least felt fleshed out and made SLIGHTLY more sense to some of the motivations in the film. Still though, the questions I had were not answered, and they never will be either. The Engineer being so pissed he would go try to find and kill Noomi's character is so script-serving there is no plausible explanation. There are plenty of other ships on the planet, he was ready to leave until they crashed his ship. Why wouldn't he just get to another ship? What purpose does killing her solve? Why do they think the Engineers changed their minds? They obviously were dying, so isn't it more likely they just didn't get the chance? <P> The movie is just frustrating and I'm not sure who is to blame, Lindelof or Ripley. The plot just has these holes that are there to simply move the story without trying to make any sense of reason. <p> There are some cool ideas, like paralleling the story of David to mankind's own creation, it just could have been told better. Make the engineer less of a one-note movie monster. If anything, David should have been the bad guy in the end. Becoming free when Weyland dies and making his own choices. <p> You can see how this WAS just a literal Alien prequel, that when Lindelof got ahold of the script tried to tweak it into less of a direct prequel and more of an alternate side story in the same vein. I have to imagine there is a first draft of this script where this all takes place on LV-426 and the cargo was alien eggs, not black goo.

  • The man stops looking like he is giving a damn since "K-19 The Widowmaker". All his acting in his most recent movies can be described as an actor in total boredom. Even in Crystal Skull whe he was returning to the character that made into into one of the biggest movie star in history.

  • don't get me wrong though, he still did an amazing job in my eyes when it came to being intense, but i feel his future character in a sequel would be very weary by now.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    When it came to being intense during the interrogations***

    by Balkin Flabgurter

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    @Mr iamlopanureggshen69

    by albert comin

    You're right. I don't faul Harrison Ford's acting in Blade Runner (or in any of his movies in the 80s). The character of Deckard is weary and Ford played the part to perfection. Nobody else would had been better in the role. Ford plays weariness very well, but he also gives constant hints of a complex and angrier man beneath. It's a master piece of subtle acting. In the 80s, Ford was a joy to behold onscreen. He could give such life to his characters, no matter how sketchy or cliched they might had looked in the script, onscreen they were alive. He always looked like a real person in the middle of even the most wild and extravagant fantasies. Small wonder people were so drawn to him, he always felt real. Ans then something started to happen to him in the 90s and throughout the 2000s. He started to get bored. His boredom was quite visible onscreen, and his boredom became our boredom as well. Nowdays, whenever is ee his name on a movie poster, i want to avoid the movie. And to make things even worst, he choces his projects terribly. None worst then when he decided to join the cast of "Cowboys Vs Aliens". Ford is the kind of actor who would be perfect in a western, unfortunatly he decides to do that mock of a western (same could be said about all the other actors in that movie). And his inclusion in the Ender's Game movie doesn't bode well to me. Nor his return to a Blade Runner sequel. Ford seems tired of movies and i'm tired of him. Maybe i should rectify my earlier statement. The last time Ford was really good was in "Presumed Innocent". After that he just coasted, only his boredom was not as obvious at first.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Why would a prostitute bot have SUPER strength...

    by ScriptCunt

    ... but a droid built to hunt down and kill other droids be given the strength and vulnerability of an ordinary dude? All of the bullshit 'Deckard is a bot' nonsense is just that... Scott was the director, not the writer.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Promethues

    by popboy

    was the alien movie that vincent ward wanted to Make. fox gave us the fincher version instead.

  • Oct. 26, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Scott was the director...

    by WalrusSAS

    ...not the writer. True. Not to sound like too much of an asshole (maybe?) but from the perspective of the auteur theory (nice) the director is the author of the film. I'm not sure why it is even an issue. I think it's clear that Scott intended to strongly imply that Deckard was a replicant. I think it's fair to assume that maybe he was or maybe he wasn't. Neither answer hurts the film and actually posing the very question adds an interesting layer to an already very good film. That said, Dick clearly wrote Deckard as a human, and the original screenplay clearly holds the same view. Lots of people made this film, and a lot of them have different perspectives on it. Why is that bad? And why am I an asshole if I disagree with someone else's take on the film? I also liked Prometheus. Romney/Space Jesus 2016.

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