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Who'd Like To Own A Piece Of PROMETHEUS?!?! The Kidd's Got The Details!!!

Published at: Oct. 9, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST by The Kidd

The Kidd here...

PROMETHEUS is a very divisive film. There's no question about that, and, after all the expectations were laid out and the film played for you, you're going to come away from it, holding onto whatever love/hate, like/dislike you have for it. However, I'm not trying to re-open old wounds, in order for fights to break out about its many merits and flaws. Instead, what I'm aiming to do is bring a pretty incredible opportunity to those of you who are especially fans of the film.

Together with a copy of the PROMETHEUS Combo Pack (complete with Blu-ray, DVD and Digital Copy versions of the film), I have an authentic prop from the film up for grabs.

What I've got my hands on is a flashlight designed specifically for use in PROMETHEUS, and I'm turning it over to one of our Ain't It Cool readers.

This isn't something you can just pick up in stores, so, if you want to own a piece of PROMETHEUS, here's how you take your best shot at winning this sweet piece of memorabilia. 

Heading up to the release of PROMETHEUS over the summer, a series of viral videos started making the rounds to get fans excited for the expansion of the universe Ridley Scott has now created. That included an introductory video to David, Michael Fassbender's android character, created by Weyland Industries. In it, we learn, as a robot, what David can do, what he thinks about, what makes him sad and anything else we might have to say. 

Well, to take home this authentic PROMETHEUS prop  from the film and the Combo Pack, you're going to have to make your own introductory video, since Weyland Industries just created an android model based on you. 

In it, be sure to convey the very specifics of what you can do, what you think about, what makes you sad and anything else you might have to say. You don't have to use all of the previous video's graphics, music or anything of the sort, unless you want to. What I'm really looking for is the most interesting android model Weyland could have possibly created next. 

Upload your video to YouTube, and send the link, your name and mailing address over to  Contests@AintItCool.com with the following subject line exactly (in all CAPS):

PROMETHEUS HAS LANDED

The best of the bunch, as judged by me, will be declared the winner. 

If you're missing any of the information I'm asking for, then it's as if you don't even have an entry, no matter how good it may have been. And you've only got ONE shot at this, as only ONE entry is permitted per person. That means if you do it wrong the first time and need to resend it, that's TWO entries, and you're out, so make your entry count. 

Entries will be accepted until 11:59 p.m. EST on Tuesday, October 16, and this contest is available to residents of both the U.S. and Canada. 

Good luck to you all, and thanks to 20th Century Fox and Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment for setting up this amazing chance to own a piece of movie history with us. 

-Billy Donnelly

"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"

BillyTheKidd@aintitcool.com

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  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    First!

    by Brooks

    Oh, and those flashlights are gay...

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    bobo_vision ftw lol

    by Collin Armstrong

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    bwhahahaha, this should be interesting.

    by Chris

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST

    The only thing I want from Prometheus...

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    ...is my ticket money back. Absolute cack of the highest order, I know Ridley hasn't been as good as he was in the late seventies/eighties, he's certainly made more than his fair share of duff movies since then, but Prometheus was taking the mickey it was so bad. But people lapped it up. Yet we get a true stunner of a scifi film like Dredd, and most of you fuckers complaining about the lack of good and original movies ignored it. We get what we deserve, I guess. Expect more ridiculous, lacklustre drivel like this down the pipe.

  • don't want to make videos, write essays etc to win a free Blu-ray

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Count me in!

    by Cactus228

    I'm doing it. Never posted a video before so this should be interesting.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    stand back skin jobs

    by Micah

    the flash light is mine.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Contest not worth the effort for that prop.

    by jawsfan

  • The Entitled Generation - give me stuff; I deserve it because I exist.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Kidd, you are foolish not to specify clothing essential.

    by LeonardsBellbottoms

    Then again, it's your party fella...

  • Douche.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Will whoever wins it...

    by donkey_lasher

    ...be on this talkback for the rest of time bitching about how dumb the prop is, and tell us how real flashlights should be made?

  • Fuck this movie.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, noon CST

    by Karl Childers

    Selling the Target exclusive booklet on eBay dirt cheap.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, noon CST

    I'm still torn about this film...

    by bubcus

    Aesthetically it was gorgeous. The film had so much potential and Fassbender's David was brilliant. His character was the highlight of the film. But David was the only character I seemed to attach to. All other characters including Rapace's Elizabeth Shaw seemed under developed. Though conflicted over whether or not I liked it all enough to buy this on DVD/Blu-Ray, I would like to see the making of featurettes and hear the audio commentary.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Should have been a video told from the PenisVaginaSnake's point of view

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    So these pot smoking fuckers come over and start petting me. I hiss at them to back the fuck off, but they think it's cute. So I break his arm and facefuck him until he turns into a zombie because I can do that according to the Lost guy's script. Then I wander off when the other people show up and start poking him with a stick and crap. My part sucks in retrospect, maybe I can get work in one of those Tim Burton movies.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Aint it Fuck the Rest of the World News

    by Stegman84

    Actually I don't even care any more. Though you would think that in this day and age, on websites who appeal to a particular niche within a global audience as a major part of their raison d'etre, that the effort would be made a little more often to try and offer such promotions, competitions, and giveaways to as wide an audience as possible. But alas not.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    It's hate I feel -- seething, raging hate

    by ATARI

    just in case you were wondering

  • There was no penis snakes in the Garden of Eden goddammit.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    A L I E N > P R O M E T H E U S > A L I E N S > A L I E N 3

    by Nichole

    Fuck you haters. Prometheus was and is great.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Hahahahahahahaha! I'll pass, thanks.

    by DarthJedi

  • You would hate them. Pathetic.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    If

    by Nichole

  • UUGGGHHH!!OOOWWWW!!SPLUUUURT!!GGRRRRRR!!SPLOOOOOOSH!!HHHMMMMMMM!!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I love Prometheus. Do I love Prometheus this much?

    by adeceasedfan

    No. damn you bobo. (sigh)

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    They should get Giger back for Prometheus 2

    by rev_skarekroe

    And get somebody else to write it. I was going to suggest O'Bannon, but it turns out he's been dead for years.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    I can get a piece of Prometheus out of my cat's litter box any morning.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Well, maybe not on the mornings when he misses the box and goes on the floor. But most mornings.

  • Well, I guess newer, non-catalog titles at least. Is there ever an edition that's strictly just the blu-ray disc? Or is it 100% the standard now you get all 3 of those formats in one package? (though I realize of course you can still get the DVD-only for movies as well) Mind you this is coming from still hasn't been able to officially make the switch yet to HDTV and BD player and all that. Though I couldn't tell you the last time I actually used my DVD player, any DVD I watch I just do so in the drive on my computer, since a 23" HD computer monitor trumps a 15 year old 27" 4:3 TV any day :p

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    the happy birthday David video is better than Prometheus

    by Gorgomel

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The guy petting the snake...

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    Really wasn't that much more stupid than Kane peering into an alien egg that had opened up with something visibly nasty inside. Any rational non-scientist would have turned and fled. Admittedly Prometheus had many more odd moments than Alien, but some of you geeks are letting your dewy eyed childhood memories cloud your judgement and giving it a ridiculous amount of hate.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Alien > Aliens > Creature > Forbidden World > Prometheus

    by Gorgomel

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    It was so amazing when they shined the flashlight on the wall

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    The beautiful sets. Look a cave. Look a basketball court. Most overated looking film ever.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Prometheus My favourite movie of 2012 so far

    by skiff

    Ether you got it or you didn't. and if you did get it but weren't interested i could see why you wouldn't like it. I got it hook line and sinker.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Classic Bad Writing! Script from Poopoo Land!

    by zinc_chameleon

    The Prometheus script is an example of a hack writer being given total freedom on the basis of their previous success. The script could have been corrected in a busy hour, simply by checking each character for motivations. You can actually do this with a simple Excel spreadsheet, though I prefer a MySQL database. Every time a character acted in a way that went against their original motivations, it would have been flagged. Nope, this is a film that needs a fixed script. Better luck in the sequel, Ridley. Glad you fired Damon Lindelof.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    I didn't "get" the Noomi Scene with the big reveal

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Boyfriend: "It's so easy to create life" Noomi: "You're mean, I can't" Boyfriend: "Sorry babe" Noomi: "Teehee, it's okay. LET'S FUCK!" Too deep for me.

  • It was the most beautiful looking movie of the summer. It cost half to make as The Avengers, and looks 10 times better.

  • Because that's how that read. First you scolded people, and told them it was like they had no entry, then you told them if you they do it twice, it would be like they had two, so, which is it? Because if it's like you have NO ENTRY, your second one would technically be the first entry. Get it?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound, That was Funny.

    by Nichole

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    You talkbackers keep me young.

    by Bubba Gillman

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    kain_bloodstone

    by Logan_1973

    Kane was not a scientist.

  • Just like in slasher movies, they don't know "he always gets up" because the slasher movie cliches don't exist in their reality as a warning (except Scream).

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Why would i want to own a bit of shit? Such a silly question!

    by albert comin

  • Sigh... Cool looking flashlight though!

  • I'm certai most will be good for a laugh. Maybe we will get one which is actually good. Mystery box, baby!

  • Acceptable for any other film maker. But not from the architect of such classics. Just lazy, lazy writing. And the Alien bit... Felt forced. Didn't add anything to the plot. Mere fan-service

  • Charlize, you are smarter than that. Then again, you were in Hancock, so maybe not

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    This competition is only offering the 2 disc blu - you NEED the 4 disc for this movie. Amazing making of docu is a treat for movie fans - even those who hated the movie will be wowed by the documentary.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Want more scenes from this movie...

    by Andrew Coleman

    I liked the movie. I think the hate aimed towards it is way over the top. If it's not being generated by high school kids then I'm confused. Still the "scientist" who wanted to pet the penis/snake creature... Thing is his character never seemed right from the start. I was hoping some dialogue would explain that this guy is from some reality show and not a real scientist or something. Still hoping that dialogue is in a cut scene.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    ...a flashlight designed specifically for use in PROMETHEUS

    by DJGryph

    ...is not the same as "screen used". If the prize in this contest was actually used in a take that made it into the film vs. being an authentic prop that was prepped for the film (typically along with several other duplicates) but was not actually used, that's an important distinction to call out.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    oh yeah, and European readers can go fuck themselves

    by BenBraddock

    Again.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Will probably eventually buy this, but in absolutely no hurry

    by I am_NOTREAL

    It probably merits another viewing, but I can wait. I'll wait until it's $9.99 at Target checkout and pick up a copy on a whim.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    How much better is it than Event Horizon, really?

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Not as much as it should be. Better, yes. But not miles apart. And the flashlight looks like something from Space:1999.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Ah, Event Horizon.

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    Fucking loved that movie. At least I understand why characters did things.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    could they have picked a shittier prop?

    by nametaken

    its like they asked the crew what would they mind giving up the least.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I saw it once.

    by disfigurehead

    And that was enough.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Can't believe I still haven't seen this . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . my expectations have been set at pretty damn low.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    ONLY US AND CANADA. Stop using the world wide web then, idiot.

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    And *If you're missing any of the information I'm asking for, then it's as if you don't even have an entry, no matter how good it may have been. And you've only got ONE shot at this, as only ONE entry is permitted per person. That means if you do it wrong the first time and need to resend it, that's TWO entries, and you're out, so make your entry count. *. The Kidd? The Dikk would suit you better.

  • Next to Dark Knight Rises, Looper and Cabin In The Woods my favorite movie of the year. Fuck you hate everything morons. Sad that you cannot enjoy stuff anymore.

  • Buy yours today!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Yeeeaaahh

    by quicksilver80

    If you could just go ahead and make these contests open to your international readers too that'd be great, mmm'kay?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Wow, that is a really weird looking Fleshlight™...

    by Brooks

    Just sayin.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    You'd get more entries if it was for a FLESHLIGHT

    by decypher44

    Pretty sure

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    An Event Horizon why

    by I am_NOTREAL

    It has been awhile, but I never understood why (or how) Weir suddenly turned into super-powered Satan-man. So I wouldn't really say the climax of Event Horizon makes more sense than Prometheus. Maybe a little, not a lot.

  • If that's one of your main criticisms of this movie, just fuck off.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    At least bobo_vision ...

    by theKRELL

    is honest about why he won't be entering this contest.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    re: "a flashlight designed specifically for use in PROMETHEUS"

    by buggerbugger

    Is it designed to shine a light on the movie's many flaws or is it a non-functioning prop?

  • Now if it was a pair of Vicker's knickers...(Hyuck!)

  • I know it's easy for many americans to assume their stuff is like the rest of the world, but in fact there's different regional codings to both DVD and blu-rays. Aparently to protect from piracy or something, but it's bullshit, it's an atempt to protect trade rights for local markets. Money reasons, really, reasons divorced from what's best for the consumer.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    In the future, flashlights will be bulky!

    by albert comin

    In the future, everything will be bigger and cumbersome! And stupidier. In the future human beings will no longer behave like humans beings do. In the future scientists will behave like ignorant immature teenager idiots who model their actions on the plot of bad slashers from the 80s. In the future people will mount a trillion dollars enterprise expedition to the unknown based on what a scientist with shoddy qualifications will chose to believe. Such a great fucking future, is it not?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    another fuck you to international readers

    by t

    shit like this should be open to international readers, just sayin

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    i was hoping it was the piece of the film that made sense.

    by FleshMachine

    cuz it wasnt in the film.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    So, you guys just wait around until...

    by Glenn

    ...the word Prometheus is published on the site and BAM, you strafe in with the same critiques you've been hounding for the last 4 months? I didn't like the movie either. But I'm not a baby about it. Jesus Christ, fucking let it go. Go make some pasta, paint a picture, do some fuckin' thing.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Alien > Aliens > AIDS > Prometheus

    by la_sith

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    @Mr rumourd

    by albert comin

    Payback time!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    @rumourd Nerds gonna hate

    by quicksilver80

    Collective one track mind

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Not open to Brits or the rest of Europe? You CUNTS.

    by J.B.M.A.

    Oh, and good luck on giving everyone less than a week to produce the video. Fucks sake.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Payback time? Huh?

    by Glenn

    Provide some connective tissue when making what the rest of us perceive as a random comment.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Prometheus was brilliant in every respect.

    by Kevin D

    I realize that I'm in the minority but I loved Prometheus both times I saw it in theaters (one 2D with one group of friends and the other in 3D with some other friends) and still love it just as much as I did then watching the blu-ray last night after midnight.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Don't do a robot with the ability to spot plot holes.

    by henrydalton

    Immediate overload.

  • I hope he or she got paid tons o' money.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    So you'll have a video of me and my address?

    by Xen11

    You'll never take me alive , Kidd. NEVAAAAAAAAA

  • It's also quite fitting as well.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    I will do whatever I can to ensure there is no

    by Teddy Artery

    Prometheus 2 or 3. Damon Lindelof created something even worse than the idea of midichlorians... and I never thought that was possible.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST

    la_sith

    by kwisatzhaderach

    You made me laugh. Well played sir.

  • fleeing for her life from the Prometheus only to be killed about 45 seconds later by the other ship? The screenwriting on this film was just fucking dreadful. Amateur-level. It's amazing Ridley Scott let it all through.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    @Mr kwisatzhaderach

    by albert comin

    The point of that scene was to shove in another pointless action scene that had no real use for the plot at all. And worst, to set up very badly a contrived way to kill off the only reasonable and slightly likable human character in the whole movie. Two wrongs in one swift hit. I always think of all the money and time sent on shooting and editing a scene that makes no fucking sense and only helps the movie get even worst.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    @Mr rumourd

    by albert comin

    I could provide you with a defined and exact explanation for why it's so, but it would be me repeating what i have said before so many times and i'm not in the mood to do that all over gain. I hope you understand and forgive me. I'm a bit spent on that particular subjct, i'm affraid. Might suffice to say that it's an apt response to all the hype build by the studios on this movie. Ence payback time.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Prometheus>Citizen Kane>The Godfather>The Godfather Part II

    by Lesbianna_Winterlude

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Aliens>Alien>Alien3>Jack&Jill>Prometheus

    by Rtobert

  • I'm sure after you all get through the 4 hour making-off, the commentaries, etc. You'll be right back on here whining about how much you hated the film. Nothing more pathetic than a whiner who clearly watched every second of special features to a movie they apparently loathe. And unfortunately that's most of you!

  • OK it's not actually that bad. But it's got some plot holes, gentlemen.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Yes, I just told an AIDS joke. Real mature, I know.

    by FluffyUnbound

    What can I say? I go the internet to relive my lost youth.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    How the hell did the face hugger grow so big?

    by Fish Tank

    I hate that! The thing grows on farts???? At least in her body it had blood and fluids to feed on, but when it got out???? Was there a secret stash of Mars bars somewhere we don't know about? Simple physics screen writers. In Species, Sil had to eat a shit load of twinkies and chocolate bars before she "matured". A football sized squid grows to fill the room, wrestle Jesse The Ivory Body Ventura and win? THIS is just one of the any stuPid plot holes. I hate that I hated a movie I should love.

  • He could have just jerked off into the water and then left. But that scene might have had left gravitas and an R rating.

  • I hate that! The thing grows on farts???? At least in his body it had blood and fluids to feed on, but when it got out???? Was there a secret stash of Mars bars somewhere we don't know about? Simple physics screen writers. In Species, Sil had to eat a shit load of twinkies and chocolate bars before she "matured". A football sized squid grows to fill the room, wrestle Jesse The Ivory Body Ventura and win? THIS is just one of the any stuPid plot holes. I hate that I hated a movie I should love.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Fuck you haters

    by donkey_lasher

    This film is getting a sequel, that is all I need to say.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Actually Bantuwind

    by J.B.M.A.

    I just downloaded it in HD off the internet for free. It still looks beautiful and it's still dumber than shit. Nothing anyone does in this film makes any kind of rational sense no matter how high minded you try and make it. And yes, worse revisionism than Midichlorians. Way to go Ridley.

  • What?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Okay okay.

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Proof that PROMETHEUS was great : it's getting a sequel!

    by la_sith

    Great logic. They're also going to make a TAKEN 3 and GROWN UPS 2.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Fishtank here is what went down you moron!!

    by JarJar25

    How come the alien baby, in Alien, got so big without anything to eat? That facehugger was birthed by the black soup which is even more powerful than a regular facthunger.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Agree with you big time, donkey_lasher!!!

    by JarJar25

    Prometheus was a great film! It is just that most of these morons didn't get it and wanted another Alien, which I am glad we didn't get. I hope the second film, Paradise deals with the homeworld of the Engineers and how they came to be. I can't wait for a second film. I do hope though, that we can get a true Aliens trilogy that is based off those Aliens comics form Dark Horse. I think it may happen!

  • Not one sequel but TWO!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    ALIEN 1-4 > ALVIN AND THE CHIPMUNKS 1-3 > PROMETHEUS

    by jazzdownunder

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Love the hyperbole nerds

    by quicksilver80

    I guess Prometheus raped your childhood too, maybe Lucas will now sit down in a corner, throwing tantrums cause no one's paying him any attention...for now

  • Thats soooooooo funny.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    And then the baby becomes octopus and it eats that bald guy

    by ajit maholtra

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    What happens in the alternate opening/ending?

    by Transhuman

    I've seen the scene where we actually get a conversation between the Engineer and the humans which helped with some questions, but I'm wondering if these alternate opening/endings really help with anything else.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    I work at ILM so this is pretty much mine

    by Lou_Sassel420

    you can quit now

  • Whatever happened to contests where you just sent an email with your name and address? Fuck making a video! And fuck you!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST

    @jarjar25 =

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    @jarjar25: "most of these morons didn't get it and wanted another Alien"

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Uh nooo, we got the plot and themes just fine. It was the fucking horrendous dialogue, character development, pacing, and editing that we didn't get. Prometheus looked fantastic -- but turn the light on and you find a 60yo redneck crack addict hooker with no teeth. I know a bj is a bj, but fucking hell... have some dignity, dude!

  • It's the only thing that explains why she was in Prometheus.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Explanation for the bulky torch -- in the original Spaihts's script,

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    the torch was made from a recycled retro Apple harddrive. It's the in-thing for future hipsters who play with penis-vagina snakes.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Very glad I stopped by this Talkback!

    by GravyAkira

    Funny shit here guys! Prometheus was a gargantuan disappointment, no way would I even buy the damn DVD for $1.99. What a letdown.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    And the whole scene with Shaw giving birth...worst acting ever!

    by Cedric Ford

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    A L I E N > P R O M E T H E U S > A L I E N S>ALIEN3

    by Nichole

    Oops, I did it again. I would say, I'm sorry, but, I'm not. Bunch of whiny losers up in this bitch.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:34 a.m. CST

    AVP 1&2>SNOW WHITE AND THE HUNTSMAN>TEEN WOLF>RAIN MAN>PROMETHEUS

    by Bradly Durant

    Whatever.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:45 a.m. CST

    So the first lady that makes this naked WINS!

    by High_Guy

  • Oh wait, you hate Prometheus. Maybe, it will be great.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST

    A L I E N > P R O M E T H E U S > A L I E N S>ALIEN3

    by Nichole

    Yup. Fuck ya

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:08 a.m. CST

    S H A D O W 1 9 > Prometheus

    by Darth_Kong

    Hooty Hoot!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Meant to say half assing it

    by Cedric Ford

  • Thanks but it ain't better than P R O M E T H E U S

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:19 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood? Are you fuckin serious?

    by Nichole

    The Alien Quadrilogy? Alien: Resurrection is the shit stain, not Prometheus. Your brain is wired backwards. My god.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:35 a.m. CST

    It's a story, not a film, my friend.

    by Nichole

    So, it is not better, as a movie. Just because, Books of Blood is a good book, or stories, do not mean they are a good film.

  • Self-sacrifice to start a civilization or not, people do generally have modesty with their peer group. What was he gonna do, just wait there naked while they gave him the black goo?

  • Never!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:38 a.m. CST

    Prometheus was shit

    by Keith

    Anyone who tries to defend it is defending a moving in which all the characters are idiots and do nothing that resembles the actions of even semi-intelligent humans. Fucking awful.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    A moving being what we call a movie in these parts

    by Keith

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    Wanted another Alien?

    by Keith

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy, respectfully, you are talking out of your ass.

    by Nichole

    All the characters have motivations and act accordingly. That is why they are called CHARACTERS. You need to watch the film again, bro.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST

    I will defend it. Easily. Try me.

    by Nichole

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Bull. Shit.

    by Keith

    'It is just that most of these morons didn't get it and wanted another Alien' Absolute crap. I was hoping that it WOULDN'T be another alien, that it would be a straight science fiction story. That's kinda what it was. It was just FUCKING AWFUL. Garagons put it well above: 'Prometheus: people doing things for no other reason than to advance the plot and get killed.' If I were Roger Corman I would have thought twice about accepting that shit-streak of a script. I was just slack-jawed with amazement that they had green-lit this turd. Great visuals and interesting semiology are for shit when absolutely nobody does anything rational. You can't just assert that character X does A, B and C. Those actions need to make sense given what we know of those characters and the information they have available. They can't look like they're using a Magic 8-Ball to decide what to do every five minutes. I couldn't believe that this was the same director who had once made Alien and Blade Runner. Could not believe it. Scott obviously lost it, a long time ago. I realize it was mainly Lindelof's fault, but Scott should never have associated himself with such amateurish garbage.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Ether you got it or you didn't.

    by Keith

    Either you can see the Emperor's New Clothes or you can't. This movie is indefensible. It isn't some puzzle that only brilliant minds can unpick. It's the work of a hack writer and a past-it director. If you think there is any profundity in this movie you are deluded.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:57 a.m. CST

    it is defensible, you just don't have an argument.

    by Nichole

    All this shit is easy to explain, if you want to get into it. Try harder, guys.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Shaw knows the gig is up. Why would you tell the enemy?

    by Nichole

    She's not stupid.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    She just wants to hear it from their own lips.

    by Nichole

    You know, her Boss, who fucked them over. Why would she tell them, they almost succeeded in creating Hybrid Lifeforms? She doesn't trust them anymore.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:08 a.m. CST

    You know, Kinda like Ripley learned to distrust her company.

    by Nichole

    C'mon, that is a gripe? Fuckin' retarded.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Kain bloodstone

    by Keith

    'The guy petting the snake Really wasn't that much more stupid than Kane peering into an alien egg that had opened up with something visibly nasty inside. Any rational non-scientist would have turned and fled.' Rubbish. Kane is the risk-taker on Nostromo's crew. That's why he's the one who asks, 'Walking distance?' immediately after being told how far away the beacon source is. Dallas hasn't even been thinking about leaving the ship; it's Kane's idea. Kane is the first to volunteer for the exploration party. Dallas's response: 'Yeah, that figures.' When the party is considering turning back, Kane dissuades them: 'We've come this far; we must go on. We have to go on.' It's Kane who clearly volunteers to descend down into the cavern through the hole in the floor. Consistently, Kane is the crew member who has an insatiable appetite for exploration...for adventure. It is ENTIRELY consistent that he would approach the egg to see what's in it. Something 'visibly nasty'? I would be cautious, but there's no reason to think Kane would. He's overly bold, and he isn't a scientist. In Prometheus, on the other hand, you have a character who's been the biggest scaredy-cat in the team who now decides he's going to pet an alien tentacle creature as though it's a fucking pet hamster. NO consistency. He does the exact opposite of what his character ought to do given his fearful nature. It makes no fucking sense WHATSOEVER. To suggest that Alien and Prometheus have the same level of problems with their scripts is just plain embarrassing.

  • Exactly, that is why Prometheus is better than Aliens. You answered, you own question.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Your own Question :)

    by Nichole

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Wow you actually said that Prometheus is better than Aliens!!

    by Cedric Ford

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST

    All this shit is easy to explain, if you want to get

    by Keith

    Okay, great! Explain to me why none of the characters acted like rational agents at any point in the story. Had Weyland spiked all their food with drugs or something, to turn them all into puerile idiots with no tactical nous, no gameplan, no rational response to anything they saw, and who proceeded with none of the caution and systematic nature we would associate with scientists? Actually, fuck the scientist thing...it's not that they don't behave like elite rational thinkers, it's that they behave like FUCKING BUFFOONS. So, yeah, explaining that one would be awesome. Proceed.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Yes, I did. So what?

    by Nichole

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    You need to watch the film again, bro.

    by Keith

    No...I don't. Twice was good enough to prove that my initial reaction was exactly the right one: it's a terrible script, one that I would have been embarrassed to turn in as a freshman. This isn't some kind of Lynchian puzzle to solve; it's just a shambolic set of asserted actions upon which your brain is trying to impose a pattern, like a Rorschach test where somebody spunked a hundred million dollars up the wall.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:19 a.m. CST

    @Mr quicksilver80

    by albert comin

    Unfortunatly there is no hyperbole on how bad Prometheus is. And that's not happy tidings. There's nothing merry about that.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Scram Trilobite! (Shines flashlight at Trilobite).

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Bro's before Ho's! Anyone have a flashlight?

    by Darth_Kong

  • The reason we the detractors dislike the movie is because we got it. That's the whole point. We got it, and what we got was not good. It looks pretty but it's not good. So, please, fans, stop with that "you didn't get the movie", because there is nothing difficult to get. The movie's flaws are beyond obvious. So, please, give up that argument already. It's about time. It's not original and wasn't even a good argument since the begining.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    What the hell, are you talking about? All of you.

    by Nichole

    Shine a flashlight....on a...WHAT? What the fuck does that have to do with the film? You guys are full of shit. Here's one for you- When Lance Hendricksen gets ripped in half at the climax of the film, you can clearly see his body under the grates. What a shitty film, and director. It's easy, folks. Oh, if you haven't paid attention, watch that scene again. Totally ruined the climax, just couldn't believe it anymore. Get a grip.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Meant to say gut reaction but I was laughing

    by Cedric Ford

  • The physics don't match, how does the Queen get sucked from the hatch, but not Ripley? When her Elbow is wrapped around a ladder rung? Wouldn't her arm rip off? What a dumb movie. Get where I am Going? Yeah, Aliens, is way more plausible than Prometheus. Sure.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    The moment at which I knew Prometheus was a bust

    by Keith

    They approach the planet, see that structure, land and head off in space dune buggies, and arrive at the front door, all within around two minutes. Totally inept film-making. Watch Alien, and observe the time Scott takes between the decision to investigate the beacon and actually getting to the alien ship. That movie breathes, pauses, ratchets up the tension, lets the viewer drink in the atmosphere. It's the work of a masterful film-maker. A Roger Corman movie would have cut straight to the chase, and would have held no power as a consequence. Scott and Rawlings let you chew on the situation for fifteen minutes, along with the characters. That kind of discovery should be savored at length. It has such potency if done properly. Prometheus is pretty much Roger Corman-level direction and editing. Just hopelessly bad, a total wasted opportunity. There's no time for the story to breathe, for the enormity of the situation to take hold of the viewer. It's film-making with no patience, no skill. Lazy, journeyman assembly that robs the moment of its power. The second reel has barely begun, and the movie is already broken.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST

    @Mr hardboiled wonderland

    by albert comin

    Did you know that Theron had to pull rank to force the writers to pump up her character? I mean, her character is already a mere schematic and yet that's the developed version compared to what was inicially writen. Can you wrap your mind about that? So, one of the few good things in Prometheus, Theron and her character, exists only because Theron forced the writer's hand to expand the character. It's just... beyond words!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Phantomcreeps

    by Keith

    Yeah, the physics at the end of Aliens doesn't seem very plausible. But are you trying to suggest that implausible physics is a crime comparable with that of having implausible decisions? You think the physics thing is worse? You think seeing somebody jump through a plate glass window and have it shatter nicely in a movie is worse than having a character who makes decisions that make no sense and have no character trait consistency? If so, we're so far apart in our axiom sets that I don't think we can even have a meaningful discussion. Still waiting for your attempted defenses, btw. Haven't seen anything so far except assertions that everyone else is dumb and that only you understood Prometheus.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    phantomcreepsreturns - Will you just read Shadow 19 already?

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    @Mr phantomcreepsreturns

    by albert comin

    You are dangerously close to trolling territory. It's amusing but slightly uncool.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy, so what caharacter and what bad desicsion?

    by Nichole

    If you are going with the stoned scientists, well then I think you need a better example. Those guys, were clearly set up to be fodder, and die high, like you know, in horror films. Who else?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:45 a.m. CST

    And yes physics, can be used as an argument.

    by Nichole

    If we want to argue dumb shit, like you guys do with Prometheus. Very Valid.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST

    darth_kong I promise I will read it.

    by Nichole

    Please, don't tell on me. I didn't know.

  • ..when the entire movie is claimed to be shit, when the visual portion of the film was off the f*cking rocker awesome! Regardless, Prometheus could have been amazing if the writing was in tow and that's what makes those of us who enjoyed the aesthetic so much more angry.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    Science fiction movies

    by Keith

    I don't think SF movies need to ditch plausibility. Science fantasy, perhaps. I mean, okay, even Alien is not intended as a truly hard SF movie, although it's further along that spectrum than most. (Much more so than Prometheus, btw.) But even fantasy stories require a certain level of plausibility. Sure, you can assert a bunch of wacky rules for your narrative universe that you take aboard as unexamined premises. Superman can fly. The Force is real. Doc Brown can build a time machine. Fine. But after that, you still need to build a plot that sits within the constraints of well-constructed fiction: the characters' actions need to be constrained by their personality type, what they know, common sense, their level of intelligence, and the actions that take place in the world can't break the laws of logic. Just because Star Wars is a fantasy doesn't mean that Han Solo would decide his best strategy to escape from the Death Star would be to take on and kill every single trooper on board, with a stick. Solo is a cynical, smart, self-interested guy in a tight spot. If you assert that he behaves like a foolhardy, heroic buffoon, you just killed the plausibility of your movie. Similarly, just because the movie features telekinesis doesn't mean we'd accept that Luke could build his own spaceship in an hour to escape from Tatooine. ('Hey, it's a fantasy...why not?') If you break basic logic and psychological/intellectual consistency, your film is shit. Prometheus breaks basic logic and psychological/intellectual consistency. Prometheus is shit.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:51 a.m. CST

    phantomcreepsreturns - Cool. I won't tell.

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood, I work at a TV Station.

    by Nichole

    Just because, you are an engineer, doesn't mean you are not human. My boss is an Engineer. Pretty sure he is a human. Like I said, you need to watch the movie again.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Phantomcreeps

    by Keith

    'Those guys, were clearly set up to be fodder, and die high, like you know, in horror films.' Really? That's it? That's your best argument? I was hoping for something better. But in this discussion, you're clearly not even a serious opponent. You might as well be saying that Prometheus is a trashy Corman-esque horror movie, and should be judged as such. In which case, I think I agree with you. If I had rented Prometheus on VHS as a straight-to-video Corman horror movie, I probably would have been pretty darned impressed with it. Some great production values for a trashy, unambitious, weakly-plotted exploitation film with consistently unintelligent characters.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST

    thank you, darth_kong

    by Nichole

    I was getting worried :) But how do I not know of Shadow 19? I suck.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:59 a.m. CST

    The same people who think Jar Jar should've gotten a Oscar.

    by Cedric Ford

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood - I call BULLSHIT. You had fun.

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:01 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood - Maybe you should read Shadow 19 too?

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    You don't need a great plot to have a great movie

    by Keith

    But you absolutely cannot have a SHIT plot. Shit plots are riddled with logical problems and implausible decisions. That's very different from having a very slight story that happens to be told beautifully. It's similar to having a song with very few or simple lyrics sung really well over the top of great music, versus a similar song full of trite, childish lyrics. The first can be a great song. The second probably cannot.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    And to throw in a blade runner connection WTF?! Never mind.

    by Cedric Ford

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:02 a.m. CST

    @Mr phantomcreepsreturns

    by albert comin

    The trolling coment was about your "this movie better then that" thingy you were cracking jokes above. I didn't realised you had resumed normal service afterwards. A simple misunderstanding, sorry about that. Carry on.

  • Why was no on watching the infected crew member, when the facehugger got off of him? Was that not a priority? Oh, NO, they just wanted to have dinner. Jesus. A L I E N is so stupid.

  • When a movie is made with the intellectual depth of a 12 years old teenager, what's hard to get about it?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood - So you'll hammer later?

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:11 a.m. CST

    obvioulsy infected crew member

    by Keith

    The answer to your question is: he wasn't obviously infected. The only crew member with the ability to discern such an infection was Ash, and Ash was working against the crew's interests, to protect the Alien. He expects that something might happen. The rest of the crew, trusting Ash, do not. Maybe you should refamiliarize yourself with the movie.

  • Unfortunately, for you, it isn't. Both cases could be addressed extremely easily.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST

    That was directed at you, misterdarcy

    by Nichole

    Why did they have a cat on board? Why did the corporation wait until Ripley woke up fifty years later to send her to the colony in Aliens? Why did the company wait until the colony was slaughtered to send in military, and NOT TELL the military what was going on? You know, so they could finish their mission and bring back some Alien DNA. No, let's just send them in there blind, and hope they bring something back. Hopefully, they don't all die! Yeah, that makes sense.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:16 a.m. CST

    To address your questions

    by Keith

    1. The cat was aboard the ship as a pet. 2,3 - these events take place in 'Aliens', not 'Alien'. 'Aliens' was the sequel to 'Alien'. It should be treated as a separate movie.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy, I know tha they are different films.

    by Nichole

    Try to answer my questions. Ok, #1- A Pet. How about the others, and maybe see the similarity in Prometheus. Can wait.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood - So you'll hammer later?

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    phantomcreepsreturns

    by allouttabubblegum

    wah wah wahhh I cant buy new Alien comics and have new Space marine toys sat by my computer screen

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood, I want to call you a piece of shit, but...

    by Nichole

    are you talking CED'S? If you are that is cool, and I will bow down a bit. I have about 125 CED's.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    phantomcreepsreturns

    by allouttabubblegum

    thats why they dont like prometheus :-D

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    To speculate regarding 'Aliens'

    by Keith

    I don't think Aliens is as tightly-plotted as Alien, it has to be said. Of course, it's still a competent script made well, unlike Prometheus, which is shit. Anyhow, the way I always read Aliens is that W-Y didn't know specifically what was on LV-426; they just thought there might be something interesting there. When nothing turned up, maybe people shrugged their shoulders and forgot about it. Now, you can argue against this by saying that Ash had a special order to return the specimen. But it isn't clear that this order was received prior to the encounter with the alien, versus being a decision made after it was clear that an organism had been encountered. (Or was a general-case rule in the event of such an organism being encountered.) There is, however, the additional fact that Ash had been assigned to replace the Nostromo's usual science officer shortly before she left dock. Coincidence? Maybe not. But if you buy into the idea that W-Y knew that such a specimen existed, you'd have to explain why they took such a bizarre route to retrieve it when a dedicated science team would be the obvious way to go. So, within the confines of Alien, I would say the best explanation is that W-Y doesn't know, but has a special-case rule for the eventuality, and Ash implements it. It could be that W-Y places at least one android aboard all commercial vessels, almost like a political officer in Soviet Russia, albeit a hidden one. Maybe Nostromo's previous science officer was also an android. Maybe a different crew member was. Maybe it's a new W-Y policy. I think the line about Ash being a late replacement is a structural weakness in the plot inasmuch as it forces you to use a non-obvious explanation. I would have left it out, although in the grand scheme of things I don't think it's a major problem. It does make life harder for Aliens, though, because unless you go with my explanation for Ash as the late replacement, it does seem weird that W-Y wouldn't have followed up the disappearance of the Nostromo with an investigation mission. Prometheus, by contrast, is simply a barrel of gibbering spunk.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST

    mimirsan , oh yeah

    by Nichole

    quite the articulate argument. Why not explain why You don't like the film. You are the whiny prissy loser.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Time does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    *The moment at which I knew Prometheus was a bust by misterdarcy They approach the planet, see that structure, land and head off in space dune buggies, and arrive at the front door, all within around two minutes. Totally inept film-making. * misterdarcy you do know that a film is limited by its runtime dont you? Why arent all films over 3 hours long - because it means cinemas have to make one less daily showing and take a massive hit on ticket sales. You understand that, and you also understand that film is a medium where every second on screen has to count... in the case of PROMETHEUS it already ran way too long, the deleted scenes attest to that. But for you the moment PROMETHEUS became a bust was because they didnt take up ten minutes of precious screen time with the landing sequence?!?!!?! Come on, like so many of the negative comments used to justify the fanboy haters opinion - its empty and baseless. Give a movie the opportunity to take you on a ride and you will probably enjoy it a lot more than nitpicking things that dont merit nitpicking. Millions of people watched the landing sequence in PROMETHEUS and enjoyed the artistry and felt the moment - you sadly only saw *inept film making*. Your loss my friend!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Umm...phantom

    by Keith

    I might have misread the tone of the posts, but I think (?) mimirsan may be on your side here...?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:38 a.m. CST

    I stand proudly by cobra--kai.

    by Nichole

    Thank god, someone rational showed up.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST

    What up with them CED's?

    by Nichole

    Trippy tech. Laserdisc on Records.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST

    cobra-kai

    by Keith

    'But for you the moment PROMETHEUS became a bust was because they didnt take up ten minutes of precious screen time with the landing sequence?!?!!?!' Yep. If you don't leave time to let a suspense movie breathe, you almost certainly have way too much plot in it. That's bad writing. The plot of 'Alien' could probably have been fitted into a fifty minute movie, if the slow pace was taken away. But the slow pace is why it works. This is a good explanation of why Alien is such a great movie: http://blogthelens.blogspot.ca/2011/08/how-ridley-scott-made-alien-masterpiece.html

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy, you are right about that

    by Nichole

    sorry, mimirsan

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    someone rational showed up

    by Keith

    Someone who also has no understanding of why Alien works so well as a movie, you mean.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    You are wrong about everything else, though.

    by Nichole

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    cobra-kai is correct.

    by Nichole

    Go home, kids.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    misterdarcy, yes I do indeed love the mood moments of ALIEN - they are a runtime indulgence but given the relatively slender storyline that film can afford to have them. In PROMETHEUS you do have a nice mood moment that echoes the original film and also the movie SILENT RUNNING, the sequence where we see David pottering around alone on the ship. With this preceding the landing do you really think Ridley could have stretched and repeated with another mood moment, which didnt advance the plot? Simply not possible within the runtime my friend and thanks for the civil response.

  • It's because Lindelof is a TV writer. TV writing is all about dialogue and plot, and needs to move quickly and get to the action as swiftly as possible. Lindelof doesn't know how to write for the big screen. He has no sense of pacing or scale. Prometheus is a hackish set of three TV episodes made with a big budget.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Keith

    ...in an episodic format, you can get away more with plot inconsistencies, because the viewer often forgets details between episodes. Lindelof has never developed any of the skills required for good screen writing. Huh.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST

    cedhollywood is hammering right now.

    by Darth_Kong

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by Darth_Kong

    Working on TV. It sucks.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    Cobra

    by Keith

    You are right about the David stuff at the start. I concede the point. It's the best sequence in the movie, in fact. I was enjoying things at that stage. But nothing works after that. It absolutely needed more stuff of that sort.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:55 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    phantomcreeps, thanks! Your place in the Dojo is assured, make yourself comfortable amongst the beanbags and big breasted babes...

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    Well...

    by Keith

    'Misterdarcy, yes I do indeed love the mood moments of ALIEN - they are a runtime indulgence but given the relatively slender storyline that film can afford to have them.' I retract my harsh assertion about you not understanding Alien, then. Not really warranted. However, you seem to be engaging in some question-begging here. The slender nature of the storyline is not something outside of the film-makers' control. On the contrary, you greenlight a movie when you believe the combination of script, direction, music et al will add up to an effective final package. In the case of Prometheus, the plot was both too large and too poorly written to work for a suspense movie imo. Unless some horrible editing was required and/or severe running time constraints imposed. Scott has never worried about making three hour movies before, though.

  • I'm aching for someone to bring up astrophysiscs for me to have another go on where Prometheus keep on failing. So far i have only focused on characterization and plot logic, but there are quite a few doozies in regard how Prometheus fails physics so miserably.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    phantomcreepsreturns

    by allouttabubblegum

    Yeah im on your side. I wrote a whole essay about these miserable gits (funny how Alien has similar dumb deaths..no mention) and how Scott owes them nothing and then fucking website only showed that that bit. No edit button on here? This site fucking sucks!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Its a fucking film

    by allouttabubblegum

    It going to magically change cause you moan you sad cunts...now move along. I liked Prometheus myself. One of the best films this year.

  • Of course the robot scientist was lying through all his teeth, but at that time nobody had serious reasons to suspect his expertize or his alliagences. The only character who didn't trusted Ash was Ripley but she didn't had much to go with her suspicions other then a gut instict and her disaproval of breach of protocol which they allowed to pass by on humanitarian causes. So, please, man, don't even try to defend Prometheus by trying to find non-existing flaws on a movie that is much better made, like Alien. Please, can you do that for me?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    misterdarcy, the David alone sequence was my fave part of the movie too. And I agree that the plotting of PROMETHEUS is something of a mess. But life is haphazard and real events unfold in a chaotic way, not a structured way, so I saw a lot of beauty in PROMETHEUS. I personally dont think the movie is close to being as good as ALIEN or ALIENS (both 5 star films) but for me it is a 4 out of 5 film and Ridley succeeds at doing something different within the genre and not simply a rehash. For better or worse there's no other film quite like PROMETHEUS and I am really looking forward to seeing what happens next in this intriguing universe.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    @Mr iamlopanureggshen69

    by albert comin

    Prometheus is shit. It's pretty looking shit, but it's shit nontheless. Believe me i'm as much in awe of it's visual qualities as you are, if not more so. Even for Ridley Scott standards Prometheus is very beautiful movie, which says a lot about it's pictorial quality. nothing but praise should go to the cinematography, the special effects, production and set designs, the very areas were Scott was in full control. There is no discussion about that, the movie is gorgeaus, period. It's one of the most beautiful movie Ridley Scott ever made, with only Blade Runner, Legend, The Duelists and the original Alien offering some serious competition. Also, the cast is made of some of the best actors working in Holytwood today. And while the characterization and dialogues are awful, the quality of the acting is quite high. Again, something most people are in agreement with, detractors and fans alike. So, if everybody is in agreement about how good Prometheus looks like and the actor's quality, then the discussion has to focus on the most divisible aspect the movie has, which is, the fucking terrible script and the horribly characterization that the movie suffers from. Fair game, no? And sadly, a pretty looking movie do not a good movie make. Were things that easy! And i say that with a real heavy heart, because it' fucking pains me to admit it, but i have to because it's there.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:07 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    scirocco already let slip in the other TB that he owned the blu ray. So what kind of one-man-hate-army buys the blu ray day one and then cant stop talking about the film. Post after post. Scirocco, youre like a closet gay guy who keeps declaring how much he hates homos...

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    I wish Ridley's visuals could be applied to

    by pearlanddean

    a script based on the Iain M Banks 'Culture' novels. Then we'd get sci-fi worth seeing. I was disappointed in Prometheus not just because of the daft script but also in the marketing campaign which gave away pretty much all the key points except for the tacked-on ending and the big marble man engineer chap. I remember the discussions on here about the Prometheus crashing into the alien craft from the trailer. Surely that can't be from the end of the film, a major moment given away? Sure was, the space jockey chair, the biomechanical mask, the snake in the mouth, all used in the promotion. What happened to trailers which saved the good stuff for the film itself? I felt that there were no surprises. Yes I could ignore all the trailers and advertising but then doesn't that make it all pointless if we're trying to avoid it? I don't expect anything intelligent from the folks at Fox anyway.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:19 a.m. CST

    Sucked hard!

    by Dazzler69

    I can't believe the love for this piece of crap movie.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    @misterdarcy

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    The guy petting the snake (Milburn) had been built up as goofy. So you could argue what he did was consistent with his character. Also, he was a biologist. He probably handled dangerous snakes on Earth and was over-confident. What would Steve Irwin do in that situation? Probably try to grab it. Kane was a risk taker, but as second-in-command he should have also had common sense. The sensible thing to have done was document and then get the hell out of there - not go poking around a goddamn giant alien egg!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:31 a.m. CST

    2001 looked fantastic

    by donkey_lasher

    But MEH, it had a shit plot. Monolifs on da moon? WTF? Monkeys? WTF? Giant Space Baby? WIBBLE!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    dazzler69

    by donkey_lasher

    Thanks for your input, please visit again when you have more nuggets of movie wisdom.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Okay, so I'm watching the deleted/alternate scenes

    by lv_426

    I haven't gotten to the alternate ending yet, but there are some seriously good alternate/extended scenes here. Lots of extra character bits that would have added a lot to the character development of the cast, both individually and in terms of the ensemble. The Captain played by Idris Elba is much more like how you'd expect a captain's personality to be compared to the thinner characterization he gets in the actual theatrical cut. The scene with David and Weyland waking up the last engineer is a lot better in its longer incarnation. The Fifield space zombie scene is also a lot better now. Yes it is still annoying to me that they went with a space zombie instead of letting an actual xenomorph loose, but the alternate version of Fifield's zombie rage attack is creepier now.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Why didn't Fifield garrott the PenisSnake?

    by donkey_lasher

    A reference to The Borgias right there.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST

    How is David 'Horrible Characterisation?'

    by donkey_lasher

    Yeah, cos that's what a robot WOULD do right? Holloway? Pissed off that they found nothing. If he'd known that the Engineer was alive, maybe he wouldn't have felt so deflated? Shaw. She just zings with enthusiasm in this film. She wants to get the thing out of her, so she uses the med pod on board that was Weylands own. Fifield and Millburn are fleshed out more in the deleted scenes, and Millburn is giddy as fuck after finding the first recorded Alien life form. Vickers. What did she do wrong? Oh, she ran IN A STRAIGHT LINE? I'm sorry, but a ship shaped like a donut could have gone anywhere on that terrain. Rolled on, wobbled, fallen on its side. She made the wrong call and paid for it.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:41 a.m. CST

    lv_426

    by donkey_lasher

    Wait for the fan edit. Someone out there has spliced all of those scenes into the movie.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Rumored extended cut...?

    by kells

    Just curious if anyone knows why Ridley didn't just incorporate the existing extended/deleted footage and release the extended cut at the same time? Is it just shameless double dipping for later on, or is he actually going to put a bunch of work into the extended cut when it is released? I keep hearing how good the deleted scenes are, and the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven was a goddamn masterpiece, so I'm hoping that the extended cut will be totally reworked and that explains the delay (maybe packaged with the supposedly awesome documentary that only comes with the 3D blu-ray). Then again, maybe he's fucking with us. Regardless...no extended cut, no my money.

  • Prometheus could really benefit from an extended cut.

  • The longer TED talk actually feels like a proper scene that belongs in the movie. It holds up well on Blu-ray. It could almost be the opening to the film, had they decided to save the reveal of the engineers for later in the film.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:58 a.m. CST

    To quote a talkbacker from another thread a while back.

    by adeceasedfan

    NO ONE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT PROMETHEUS BY THE END OF THE YEAR. Lol. Apparently no one has an opinion about it... ...tumbleweeds.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:07 a.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    What are you talking about? Where did i ever told you i own the blu-ray of "Prometheus"? Where are my exact words saying that? All you did was making a faulty speculation based on nothing much at all. And now you are making this big ass argument based on mere faith on a faulty basis. I don't get it. I said i haven't heard the audio comentaries of Prometheus yet. How can that be used as to conclude o own the thing? I'd love to see a detailed explanation of how you could reach such a definitive conclusion. I mean, it's such a generic phrase i use. I mean to say i hadn't heard them yet. Therre's nothing that implies i own the thing. Did you ever heard of this system called RENTAL, in which you can RENT DVDs or blu-rays so you can watch a movie without the need to buy? This RENTAL system exists for quite some time now, since the early 80s. And in some of the RENTAL version of movies they have the same xtras as the sale versions. i have heard dozens of comentary tracks from movies i do not own because i RENTED them. Are you going to tell me that RENTAL never crossed your mind? Are you going to tell me all the moves you watch on DVD/blu-ray you bought them, you never RENTED one? You mucy be filthy rich! Can i work for you? You pay well? Can i have dental care? I think you are one of Prometheus' fans, are you? Well, i think it's a biut low if you decide to go on some ad nomine attack on an imaginary thing i did not do so you can find some defense for the movie. you should use the movie for it's defense, not on absurd personal speculations based on a bewildering conclusion that makes no sense based on nothing at all. Can you do that for me, friend? Want to chat about the movie, let's talk about the movie. Deal?

  • And why is that so? Because it's the part of the movie where the story is told basically from visuals alone and a fantastic silent performance by a really very good actor. There's no inane dialogue cortesy of Damon Lindelof, there is no mystifing actions by badly drawn out characters, there really is not even much plot going on, it's just we witnessing the day in live of a character. Simple stuff. In fact, i wish the whoe of "Prometheus" had been done in the same matter of fact fashion the scenes of David alone in the ship was made. Hell, i would had loved to watch a Prometheus movie where the only characters were David and Meredict Vickers. Those two were by far the best characters in the movie, the ones where they actually bothered to create consistent characterization. If that had happened, most certainly i would now be singing hossanas to the movie instead of lamenting it for the missed oportunities and failed decisions and it's general stupidity.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:17 a.m. CST

    @Mr darth_kong

    by albert comin

    The engineers mastered the hard science of... flute playing. With the flute playing technology at your disposal, the stars are yours. Have flute, will travel to the stars.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:22 a.m. CST

    @lv_426

    by buggerbugger

    Would you care to drop some spoilers regarding the alternative ending for those of us who aren't planning on buying the disc yet (or never)? I've seen some of the deleted scenes online and I'd agree, they're full of moments that would have improved the theatrical cut. The Engineer/David scene, the bit where Shaw grabs the axe and hides from the Engineer while he takes a moment to marvel at the technology these "lesser" beings have created...

  • ALIEN and ALIENS were both reasonably *hard* sci-fi films. There are notable question marks in both of them, notably (as mentioned) Ripley's legs not getting torn off, and also the way inter-system flight time dramatically changes based on the needs of the plot. But the basic elegance of the first film is based on the fact that it has an air of mystery, but the mystery arises from reasonably hard science and a recognizable and plausible sociological situation. The story is simply *vastly better* when the xenomorphs are nothing more or less than a bad-ass lifeform that the humans stumble upon when the corporation they work for decides to secretly investigate a distress signal in the hopes of finding something useful. When you turn that story into this CHARIOTS OF THE GODS bullshit, it makes it stupid. Just fucking stupid. You could hand that idea to Shakespeare himself to write the script and it would still be fucking lame. And it would be *annoyingly, exasperatingly* lame because it not only produces a stupid movie in and of itself, it retroactively ruins the first two films, by taking much of what was cool about them and erasing it.

  • ...and his big new idea is that it turns out that it's really a Dungeons and Dragons universe. Orcs and mages show up and start blowing stuff up with fireballs. That's how fucking stupid PROMETHEUS is.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Things learned from the Bluray

    by allouttabubblegum

    Fifield and milburn are BOTH stoned before meeting hammerpede. Both are supposed too be incompetent. Holloway is depressed as he never got to meet a living being...sick of finding dead relics. Vickers is human and shows emotions after killing holloway. David wants his parents dead and thinks he is above humans. David has a photographic memory. The deaths are deliberately ironic and sometimes for laughs. The engineer goes on the rampage when Weyland tells him he is a God just like them. The engineer rips Davids cocky head off as he is nothing.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    more things

    by allouttabubblegum

    David is very interested with Shaw as she still believes in some unknown creator...he too wants to know his creators,creators,creator in his ever thirst for knowledge. The capt has seen too much death becuase of weapons and sees the same thing with the engineers hence his and his crews sacrifice to protect the earth. The Alien offsprings grows quickly due to the power of the black substance.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    @Mr fluffyunbound

    by albert comin

    The premise of Prometheus doens't bother me. A good story could be made out of it. I once read that there are no bad or good premises, only bad or good execution. I agree. A good movie could had been made of the premise of Prometheus. Alas it wasn't. I think this movie is a testement to the notion that you can have the right people for a movie, but if the writing is bad and if the writers are beyond their abilities, and the people in power are apathetic to it all, failure is inevitable.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    last thing

    by allouttabubblegum

    The theme of the film is "to create first you must destroy"...and this rings true with the substance. Destroys the old cellular form and creates a new cellular form. In order for the new one the old one must die. This is why David wants his creators dead. This is why Vickers want Weyland to die. This is why "every king has his reign then he dies."

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    @Mr adeceasedfan

    by albert comin

    We are a bunch of nobodies, so it makes sense we are still talking about it.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Scirocco - *maybe*

    by FluffyUnbound

    *Maybe* it would be possible to make a good film out of that premise. Maybe. As a totally stand-alone film. (I'm trying to picture a STARGATE movie made by, say, David Lean.) But it's totally impossible to make it a good film and connect it to the other Alien films. *But hey, Fluffy, Scott's just switching things up to upend your expectations!* Yeah, you get to do that when you're moving from OK idea to great idea. You're not allowed to do it when you're moving from well-executed quasi-plausible idea to dumbass shitville idea.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    @Mr donkey_lasher

    by albert comin

    Holloway is one of my major problemsd i have with the movie and it perfectly exemplifies the bad writing in the movie. From Holloway's perspective, what they found was the mother of all archeological findings since the day archeology was born. Remember, the dude is an archeologist. For them, ruisn are living history. for this guys, history is writen in ruins, arrow tips and pieces of potery. From the point of view of archeology, the mission was already a full sucess , regardless if they would find a living being or not. Those ruins, that abandoned structure where so much of the plot happens, it's proof of a intelligent extra-terrestiral civilization existed. That would be the bifgest archeological find since ever. That's gold, no matter how you look at it. Holloways should be drinking in celebration, his whole life justified, not to drown his sorrows, which for an archeologist would make no sense to indulge in.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST

    @Mr fluffyunbound

    by albert comin

    I understand your arguments, and i agree with much of what you said. You did raised the major point of all this, which is, it's all so dependent on the quality and talent of the creative people responsible. "Prometheus" had part of what it took to be sucessful. The problem was the other part which wasn't up to it, regardless of what their egos made them believe otherwise. I'm reminded of the movie "Dredd". Why? Because that's a movie that has no complexity of themes or characterization. The movie kept it simple and straigh to the point. and it was the right appraoch to that story. Imagine how wrong Dredd would had been if suddently the movie became about faith? Same thing with Prometheus. That movie should had that sweet simplicity that Alien had. Simplicity is not simplism. You made some good points, thank you.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Holloway was expecting much more though.

    by donkey_lasher

    Just Another Tomb

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Ah dammit

    by donkey_lasher

    Just Another Tomb That's what Holloway said, and it tells us so much about him. He had higher hopes than just finding another dead civilisation. He wanted to talk to God, so to speak. It was more than just archaeology to him. Shaw takes the news better because she has faith.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    donkey_lasher

    by allouttabubblegum

    Actually Holloway wanted to prove that all religions were wrong about the creation of man. He has no proof from just another tomb. He cheers up when Shaw shows him her discovery that their DNA matches ours. The information is all there its just not spelled out on a big board written in crayon.

  • There really is no real creation or destruction, only transformation of things or energy from one to another. So, if the theme of the movie is about breaking up stuff so you cna play lego with it later, it's bullshit and another proof of the high minded ignorance that infects Damon Lindelof. There should be a restaining order forbidding Lindelof to ever touch again anything related to science ficiton for the remaining of his life.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    I reckon..

    by allouttabubblegum

    Once the dust settles and some give the film a rewatch they will enjoy it a bit more maybe discover things in it they never noticed before. I was very meh about Prometheus when I first saw it. Now I really love the film. People cant just enjoy watching films anymore.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    scirocco

    by allouttabubblegum

    Stop talking.Its a fucking scifi film with aliens and spaceships not exactly basis on reality. Go write a script and shoot a film.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Mimirsan

    by donkey_lasher

    You're right, he does cheer up. I would have liked to have seen more Holloway, the deleted scenes show more of his character. If this film is so dumb, as people keep trying to tell us, how come so many websites have explanations, theories, and continued discussion?? The fact that this film is getting a sequel, flies in the face of many fans opinions, that this film is awful. It's not a great film, nor is it the worst of the Alien movies. If you think about it, Aliens should actually be a so called dumb film. Alien was simplified by reviews calling it a Haunted House In Space Movie.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    scirocco pt2

    by allouttabubblegum

    btw the to create to destroy theme? Wasnt Lindelofs idea. So you dont like the film we get it. It is what it is can you live with that?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    donkey lasher

    by allouttabubblegum

    Aliens is nothing more than a dumb action movie. A technically brilliant one. Like Predator ;-)

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by donkey_lasher

    EXACTLY That's what I've been thinking. I liked the film when I saw it, and came out of the cinema wondering about its themes. I think I definitely like it more after watching it again on iTunes.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    phantomcreepsreturns

    by DocPazuzu

    Your arguments trying to defend Prometheus by making the Alien movies seem just as bad are pathetic. That you choose that path rather than extol perceived virtues in Prometheus speaks volumes about how feeble your position is. If you had the courage of your convictions and the intellect to back them up, you'd talk Prometheus up instead of slamming Alien 1-4.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    My favorite excuse in this talkback?

    by DocPazuzu

    The guy who said that the film's running time was the reason for speeding the landing/exploration sequence up. What a load of horseshit. The landing/exploration sequence in Alien didn't take much more screen time than Prometheus did yet because the script was better and the director not as sloppy (as he would become), the ILLUSION of time passing between landing and exploration was very much in place. Fucking hell, the swirling in-and-out bat emblem between every scene in the 1960s Batman show or the wipes in Star Wars gave the illusion of more time passing than Prometheus managed to convey.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    The main problem with Prometheus...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...isn't that it's too smart (it isn't) or that it's too stupid (it is), but that it's so stupid while pretending to be smart.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    @Mr jackthekipper

    by albert comin

    You are a much wiser man then me, because i payed to watch "Dark Shadows". The joke is on me.

  • Excelent.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    @Mr mimirsan

    by albert comin

    No, i'm not going to comply to your order of shutting up just because you do not agree with me. You have no domain on me. Deal with it.

  • Not a pleasant perspective.

  • So the movie kept things vague and lacked reasonable explanations and things happen without reason? Easy, go look it up on the comic/website/interviews. What nonsense! The movie should give all the explanations, you don't need to go search them elsewhere. Just just more justification for bad writing. It's so wrong! If a movie can't provide it's own logic, then it failed! The movie failed, the filmmakers failed, the writers failed, etc. Simple as that!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Donkey lasher

    by allouttabubblegum

    Ignoring the infantile ramblings of scirocco whos just out of his way to hate on the film. The creepy thing is with David..keeping in mind he hates his creators (and who can blame him) but most likely cant physically kill them (being Weylands servant he probably designed that he cant hurt a fly) so he gets round this limitation by using other sneaky methods to get at his creators. Like he asks Holloway before infecting him on how far would he go to find the truth..hes waiting for the right answer before being allowed to proceed. In davids directive mind its just an experiment to see what happens (with bad intentions) and holloway unwittingly agrees.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    scirocco pt3

    by allouttabubblegum

    Ever heard of a classic film called Bladerunner? Where nothing is clearly spelled out (is decker a replicant)? Or perhaps the original Alien did they explain where the alien came from or the dude in the chair? Or legend where its a very simple fairy story on the surface with a hidden message about sexual awakening? Shit films right? This is what Ridley scott does in some of his films. Gives you hints and let you make your own thoughts. Scott doesnt give a shit about Alien fanboys or franchise. He takes on projects that take a interest to him. He didnt make the film you wanted. Thats just too bad. He made the film he wanted to make.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    @Mr mimirsan

    by albert comin

    Infantille? Oh, that's precious! So it's an adult thing to praise bad dumb movies that treat audiences as morons? That's an adult thing? Thank you for informing me on that, Obi-Wan, how clueless i was befor you sent me in the path of enlightment! I feel buddhist already! There is one thing we do agree, however: David is by far the best character in the movie whose actions do make a bit of sense, even if he acts completly amoral. At least the has justification.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Other crits clarified

    by allouttabubblegum

    Prometheus is too clean and fancy. Its weylands private ship. Why is the medpod set for male when its for vickers? Its weylands. not vickers medpod. How can Shaw run about after a C section? Its a scifi film. Not a documentary. Its a funky grim scene. so why not?

  • I still feel pretty sure that Vickers is also a robot. These are basically Blade Runner style human replicant androids.. I think they'd be more than capable of having sex with a normal person.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    stupid while pretending to be smart

    by knowthyself

    Pretty much sums of Lindelof.

  • There's that Weyland Complex again. Scirocco says it's dumb so it is dumb!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    autodidact

    by donkey_lasher

    I don't think Vickers was a robot. More likely she was a Replicant, but I'd like Scott to leave that interpretation, open.

  • I'd post a link but you guys need the exercise.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by Keith

    'The theme of the film is "to create first you must destroy" ' That theme sounds really interesting. If they'd made a good film based around it it would have been even better.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    And...

    by Keith

    'Once the dust settles and some give the film a rewatch they will enjoy it a bit more maybe discover things in it they never noticed before' That would be great in the case of a film that was already good, or even just competent. It can't save a film that's a mess. Finding new thematic resonances isn't going to help a film in which all the characters behave like idiots, and where the pacing and plot logic are disastrous.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    And 2...

    by Keith

    'Its a fucking scifi film with aliens and spaceships not exactly basis on reality' This is such a lazy, wrong-headed argument. (I address it in an earlier post.) Even having a fantasy story would not remove from the writer the responsibilities of maintaining internal logic and coherent character motivation. If you take an 'anything goes' attitude, your story will almost certainly be a failure. You find some exceptions to this film in certain brands of comedy, and in avant-garde stories where logic is intentionally subverted. Maybe Prometheus should be read as a comedy? It might explain quite a few things.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Mirmisan

    by J.B.M.A.

    Not spelling things out is different from demanding that the audience accept poorly contrived plot points or are forcing them to invent their own explanations when the film provides none. Bladerunner has some fairly large script problems but survives on it's surfeit of mood and elegance. Prometheus has very little going for it in that department. It's quite lovely to look at (though not even close to Alien or Bladerunner) but is neither suspenseful or interesting. It's worst crime is trying to tie itself to the Alien universe, which it accomplishes incredibly poorly and to the detriment of the earlier work. It only triumphs in its art direction which is almost a given for a Ridley sci-fi piece. He's a magnificent world builder. Even then, the surface of the mysterious planet is far more mundane than Gigers LV426. It's a whole raft of disappointments and 'almost' ideas that fail to knit together. I to love David alone on the ship. It's vintage Ridders and stands out like a gem in a dog turd. The score to the film is one of the worst and most ineptly used I've heard in a long time. Embarrassing next to Vangelis or the eerie wind noises of Alien.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Expectation

    by Robert

    I think expectation was the problem, you had lots of different people expecting different things from the movie. I also noticed that different viewers assume different things from the movie as well. Such as, some have mentioned why couldn't the Engineers have taken care of the xenomorphs when Ripley managed, those people obviously assumed the Engineers were wiped out by Aliens, I, and I'm sure I'm not alone, assumed they were just wiped out by being infected/contaminated.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    donkey_lasher

    by Keith

    'If this film is so dumb, as people keep trying to tell us, how come so many websites have explanations, theories, and continued discussion??' I would say that this is because having Scott's name and the Alien brand attached ensured that it was a movie people wanted to see, and because it was such a mess, people want to find ways to try to make it work for them, somehow. 'The fact that this film is getting a sequel, flies in the face of many fans opinions, that this film is awful.' The Phantom Menace was awful, and that got two sequels. Again, it's because it had cachet and a big name attached going in. People were going to see a Star Wars prequel even if it was utter gash (which it was), and they were going to be talking about it for years afterwards, even if - ESPECIALLY if - it was utter gash.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Mysteries versus plot holes

    by Keith

    'Ever heard of a classic film called Bladerunner? Where nothing is clearly spelled out (is decker a replicant)? Or perhaps the original Alien did they explain where the alien came from or the dude in the chair?' If you mean Blade Runner, you certainly don't need to go outside of the text to understand the movie and its themes. In Alien, I know all I need to know: there was some kind of alien ship, of a race seemingly older than humanity, and by accident or through design (probably the latter) it was carrying beast eggs aboard. What more is there to know? All this is clear from the movie itself. Mysteries are totally different from plot holes. 'How can Shaw run about after a C section? Its a scifi film. Not a documentary. ' So if Count Dooku had simply carried on living without a head, you would have dismissed this as being fine because it's a sci-fi movie? What if Jar Jar Binks had turned out to be Anakin's father? Also fine, I assume, because it's a sci fi film? Anything goes in a sci fi film!

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Ooooh misterdarcy!

    by allouttabubblegum

    Thats your own opinion. You didnt like the film. I liked the film. A lot. Ive not liked a lot of films (especially some of Ridley scotts films) when I first watched them the rewatching them years later I was suprised how good they were. In my opinion Prometheus was acted,directed and filmed more than competently. Better than most films around these days. I look at the film as a scifi adventure film with some horror elements that has a brisk energy and very rewatchable. Either you have fun with it or sit there sulking because it doesnt follow your expectation. It is not the same kind of film Alien is...this is pretty clear even from the opening soundtrack. Expecting the film to be similar in pace is just the wrong way to approach it. Just because a film is filled with questions with no direct answers does not mean its shit. If the pace is a mess for you thats your problem as many of us follow the films structure perfectly fine.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Expectations

    by Keith

    'Either you have fun with it or sit there sulking because it doesnt follow your expectation.' I had almost no expectations for Prometheus, other than that it would be a Ridley Scott science fiction movie. I didn't sulk because of mismatched expectations; I rolled my eyes throughout at how bad the writing was, how terrible the pacing was, and most of all the fact that I didn't care about any of the characters because they acted throughout like incompetent idiots. I don't care about the fate of idiots.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Pace

    by Keith

    'If the pace is a mess for you thats your problem as many of us follow the films structure perfectly fine.' You misunderstand. I don't mean that things happened too quickly for me to follow. I mean that the pacing destroyed any sense of atmosphere and absorption into the narrative. A lot of great film-making works because it has the pace appropriate for its content. The camera lingers, or effects a slow zoom, the music swells softly, the enormity and the scale of the situation hits the viewer etc. I could re-edit Alien and Blade Runner such that the plots remained the same, and the stories remained perfectly comprehensible, but the films would be bland and uninteresting because the sense of grandeur and intrigue would be washed away. Great film-makers (directors and editors, principally) use pacing very, very carefully to turn what could have been an average film into a great film. It's absolutely vital to the construction of great cinema, and it's absolutely lacking in Prometheus.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Dear lord...

    by Keith

    'It is not the same kind of film Alien is...this is pretty clear even from the opening soundtrack. Expecting the film to be similar in pace is just the wrong way to approach it.' I didn't expect it to have a similar pace to Alien, only that it had a pace that made it work on an emotional and/or intellectual level, one appropriate to its themes. Prometheus is about discovery and horrible realizations. Discovery movies really need a slow pace in key sections, to allow tension and a sense of awe to build. Prometheus was totally lacking in tension and a sense of awe, because everything was too rushed. It felt like a TV movie with particularly good sets. 'Just because a film is filled with questions with no direct answers does not mean its shit.' See above, i.e. mystery versus plot holes. Prometheus is full of plot holes. And that means it is indeed shit.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    @Mr donkey_lasher

    by albert comin

    It's not what i say, it's what it is. If i had never been born, Prometheus would still be a stupid movie, nothing would change. Can you understand that concept, fiend? Can you do that for me, please?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    There is nothing in the movie that maes me think that Vickers is not a human. She is a human, but unlike the other over-emotional idiots in the ship, she's smart, cool, collected and no-nonsense. That doesn't make her less of a human, in fact it makes her the most human of them all.

  • Mother of mercy, what a fuck up! Sorry about that, Mr donkey_lasher.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    You are doing a very good job and you are telling it as it is. Don'texpect to change his ideas about the movie, i'm sure but you are doing a service to those who are just reading it and being eye opened by your posts. Somewhere kid who is stil ambivalent about "Prometheus" will read your posts and understand why it's a bad movie based on your solid reasoning. You are just telling it as it is, and as they say, the truth shall set you free.

  • Can you just taste the irony? This is precious beyond words! This inept writer judging other people's work! Oh my word!

  • By all accounts, he was really good at it. It's all right Asimov, you can brag about it if you want to.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    The fact is

    by thedoctor28

    that a mission of that nature. With all the money and investment. You would never send a bunch of people that get hot headed easily, smoke pot, get lost easy, hate each other, fuck at the drop of a dime, want to pet things that look like a cobra attacking. People with level heads get picked for that kind of shit. Not fukin pot smokers. I mean really smoking weed in the space suit??!! WTF??!! I really wanted to LOVE this movie! but there is so much fuked up about it. Its not weather i GOT IT or NOT. Maybe the squeal will fix all this fuked-up-ness. The characters really sucked in this movie no doubt. I wish i could read the original script, does anyone know where it is???

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    @Mr thedoctor28

    by albert comin

    You said "I really wanted to LOVE this movie", and that's exactly what i wanted too. But the movie doesn't allow me, because it's so bad and stupid. I know how you feel very well.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    I had no expectations of the film

    by Keith

    Scott has done brilliant sci-fi before, but on the other hand had done mostly bad movies for the last ten years. So I went in with middling expectations. Even those were not met.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Prometheus stole my lunch money

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    and I am here to whine about it on the internet. Waaaaaaaa.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    _zodiac_

    by DrMorbius

    Nice.

  • That is one of the things that bothered me the most about Prometheus. The crew of the Nostromo in Alien were much more professional overall and they were just space truckers.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Nice back n forth here fellas - me 2sense on Prometheus

    by Darth Macchio

    Saw it first time yesterday (yes I bought the blu) and, basically, it's not as bad as some have made out and nowhere near as good as I'd hoped. But that wasn't because I wanted a particular type of movie or experience outside of enjoyment and entertainment of course. Which I did get - hence it's not as bad as most are making it out to be (I get it tho - it's almost a cathartic release to slam it if you were hoping for something more than the final result). Some good arguments on here for both sides. A couple points to add to the mix... To the notion of the 1st Law of Thermdynamics - nothing is created or destroyed.... That's certainly true as far as science/physics is concerned but outside of that context, is it not a matter of semantics? If I "destroy" a dinner plate, did I not "create" a bunch of broken shards of ceramic/glass? Now, on the other hand, I don't think the screenwriters get the idea I present above on the level displayed in the movie as too many other moments show shallow thinking. So I'll admit to reaching a little there. Character points - probably the least successful aspect of the movie. I have far less of a problem with Vickers not running left or right and getting squished than I do three men going full kamikaze on an alien vessel simply because one of the scientists says they have to or Earth is dead. Kinda surprised no one mentioned that thus far. If my brother said I had to crash my car into a truck cause a bomb was gonna kill thousands of people, I still wouldn't do it without proof (and I know he'd never willingly want me dead...or I think anyway o.0) I'm gonna check out the deleted scenes but if there's no buildup of any type of relationship with the Captain and Shaw, nothing that would validate what they do based on her pleading, then I just have a great degree of trouble that 3 men would willingly kill themselves based on the word of someone the do not really know. The c-section is another aspect I'm having trouble with. She shows some pain and hitches here and there but mostly is unaffected by an operation that even with the greatest tech (teleportation ala star trek) I still think the body would have to recoup itself. She'd be berserk from agony or just passed out completely. I can logically piece together why the "proto-face-hugger" grew to gargantuan size (David slipped a pure amount of that black 'genetic matter' in Holloway's drink - we have no real notion of what that stuff was or is capable of - it could be a pre-programmed bio-organic entity designed to do that from the start). The alien ship contained "death" remember? This not arbitrary - it's by design. In fact, working along that line in the movie is one of the stronger aspects - what we saw was a true primordial face-hugger and chestburster. The implication was that it evolves each and every time is goes through another impregnation/birth cycle. The primordial face-hugger was it's most basic form - huge, ungainly, but incredibly powerful. I liked that notion a lot. (it's laughable to ask why, if the engineers made us, and the giant face-hugger that they'd be killed by their own creations, as if that doesn't happen ALL the time with our own "creations" over the decades of modern technolgy...Chernobyl anyone? Hubris is one of the most common side-effect of sentience)

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    @Mr winona_ryders_pussy_juice

    by albert comin

    Are you the class comedian of this joint?

  • That's what I was referring to. It is much better in the extended version. Much more drawn out and suspenseful. In the theatrical the engineer just barges in and Shaw pushes a button to unleash the trilobite. I like that in the alternate version you have some time to savor the engineer looking for her, seeing the screen with the girl playing the violin. Then when he peers over the bar and they just stare at each other for a bit... that was great. Then she has to really fight for her life, this little human with an axe. Maybe not anymore plausible, but much more interesting and suspenseful to see Shaw have to fight a bit harder to live. Also, the fact that this whole movie was really supposed to be about the engineers (but got sidetracked by black goo, Fifield zombie, etc), at least with the longer ending scene we get to see the engineer a bit more and see a bit more of his character. He was definitely interested in the human technology. It was also more clear that he was truly pissed at humanity for meddling with creation of life and thwarting his mission, and wanted to draw out killing Shaw.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    donkey_lasher -- Prometheus fan edit

    by lv_426

    I've actually thought about doing one. I have the means, but won't have the proper time to delve into it for a few weeks at the earliest. I have an idea of what I'd want to do with it. Probably the best one can hope for is fleshing out the characters more, playing with the pacing a bit. We really can't change much of the creature stuff with a longer or alternate edit though. It would be fun to try though.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    @Mr lv_426

    by albert comin

    Completly cutting out the Zombie-Fifield would had been a small blessing, because that scene does nothing at all the to the story, it only helps over-extend something that has no real significance to the story. It wouldn't make the movie good, but it would be a small mercy. I say the problçem with Prometheus is not what they left out, but what they put in. No amount of added scenes will help this thing. This movie was fucked even before they started rolling the cameras.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Vickers as android or replicant

    by lv_426

    I don't think she is an android like David. Weyland wouldn't leave her to manage his corporation while he looked for space gods. If she were an android she could be found out and it would be a massive scandal having left your company to the whim of a synthetic. Now, is Vickers a replicant? Maybe. I suppose it makes sense that Weyland would leave someone at the head of the company who is programmed to follow his specific ideals after he is gone. The problem is she is defiant towards him. This is more apparent in the extended scene where she goes to talk to Weyland in his quarters before the trip to the ship where the engineer is in stasis. She used to respect him, but now she sees him as a pitiful thing, clinging to life and now chasing immortality. If they had left out the awful last line *father* then it could have been more ambiguous as to whether she was some sort of synthetic/replicant, his daughter, or maybe a protege he mentored at Weyland Industries. I think Janek was just pushing her emotional buttons, and trying to get into her pants when he asked her if she was a robot. Or maybe Janek has a synthetic fetish?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    @Mr darth macchio

    by albert comin

    Character points - probably the least successful aspect of the movie

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    scirocco -- Fifield zombie antics

    by lv_426

    Oh I agree. Even though the alternate version of the Fifield zombie attack is better than the theatrical one, I'd rather that scene not be in the movie. I actually liked how when Fifield tried to help Milburn by cutting the hammerpede's tail, the acid blood sprayed onto his space helmet and it melted and caved in on his face. That was actually creepy. It would have been more effective to have Shaw, Janek and the others find them both dead instead of just Milburn. I can imagine the acid coupled with the melted helmet glass, would have dissolved Fifield's face down to the bone. Think of how creepy (and Gigeresque) that would have been. They find him laying there, body pretty much intact but his skull peering through the warped and melted front of the space helmet. Then they could find Milburn and the hammerpede jumps out of his mouth like it did in the film. What a missed opportunity for a truly creepy and unsettling scene instead of raging space zombie antics.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Vickers is a human and that's beyond obvious.

    by albert comin

    Where is this notion now goign the ropunds that Vickers is a replicant? Replicants are things in Blade Runner not the Alien universe. are people now buying that bullshit that the universes of Blade Runner andn alien are connected? Really? There is not a single indication in the movie that Vickers is anything but a human. The joke of calling her a robt by the captain was just a jab at her being "colder" then the rest of the idiotic crew, captain included. And by colder it must mean, she's the only one who acts like a real human being. I'm finding fascinating people trying to see stuff that the movie gives no indication about. People are treating this movie as if it's a big rocharsch blot and seeing stuf that's only in their imagination but taking them as if it's real or valid realities within the movie. How can this be? Are people really that desperate to deny themselves the movie really is that bad? I can sympathise with that given that i still have a hard time believing that Ridley Scott could be involved in a movie this bad. But there is much denial can go until it becomes madness.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    @Mr lv_426

    by albert comin

    In my opinion, the best way to save Prometheus would be to stick to the visuals. When the movie only uses visuals to tell the story, like all the establishing shots, when the ship descends on the planet, the C-section surgery, David alone in the ship in his daily routine, that's when the movie works. So, what one would need was toe dit out most of the dialogue and what passes as characterization, which is just in fact a lot of people showing off what a bunch of jerks they are, David and Vickers excluded. Remove all the stuff about faith because it also has no real weight ot the story at all. If you remove the faith crap, Shaw's final decision to go to the Engineer's planet becames a case of scientific curiosity, which is becoming of a scientist, and not what's in the movie, her desire to go throw a moralistic hissy fit to a race of creatures that have nothing but murderous intents on humans. No faith, no failed characterization, no atempt at "profound themes", no "i can't have babies" melodrama crap, no panicking spellunkers, no panting the alien idiots, just make the characters go about their business, their characterization achieved by their actions. Basically, let them act like professionals they are supposed to be. And for god's sakes, find a way that retard Holloway doesn't hide his infection from the others and have his infection manifest at the same time he begs Vickers to kill him because he knows it's the only way to safeguard the lives of everything else. And let Shaw accept the necessity of it. And for all that's holy, do not show the alien at the end credits! I'm not saying the movie would magically become good with this changes, but it would remove so many of the reasons why it's so bad.

  • It's another moment where it adds nothing at all to the characters of both Vickers and the captain, just needlessly drags the story to a halt for no good reason, and saves us from one of the worst lines of dialogue in the movie (in a movie littered with them).

  • that has to be one of the stupidiest thing i ever see in a movie since ever. so, in the future, with space ships, a computerized surgery machine cannot have emmory enough to be calibrated to both males and females? and donpt give me that crap that's specific for Weyland, it's still absurd. The machine would then give the warning "subject not allowed", not a gender disticting warning. Give me a break. Let the machine be just that, a super-awesome super-tech surgery machine that is always ready for use, which makes sense since how old and fragille Weyland is now.

  • Yes there are some dumb character moments and the actual character development could have been better (watch the deleted scenes and you'll see that they cut out a lot of character stuff that would have helped). They went too far with trying to make it action/adventure and less actual disturbing and unsettling. I'm not saying it had to be exactly like Alien, or as full on horror, but the problem is they try to shoehorn that into the film later on without earning it. It all feels slightly schitzo, with the whole film building up as this sci-fi archeological adventure, but then switches to horror in a clunky manner near the end. It feels like they weren't confident that people would be up for something darker and only added those aspect later on. You can definitely feel the PG13 aspect of it all at times, but then get this notion that they decided to go for an R rating. The problem is they must not have realized that they should do a proper rewrite of the script to balance all that out in the end. Now I'm not saying the film is a total loss. I actually liked it more seeing it again at home on Blu-ray. I think it sits about where Alien 3 sits in terms of best to worst Alien films. Like Alien 3, they bit off more than they could chew, but at the same time I appreciate the ambition behind it all. It seems like they just needed more time to work out the kinks before going into production. Ridley even kind of admits to this in the behind-the-scenes doc. Ridley and the art dept. met with Giger about doing some designs, and Giger was surprised by how far along they were already with the various creature and space jockey design elements. Ridley says that basically the whole thing was in motion and he had to just keep going. Giger probably at his age now, didn't want to get sucked into it all. I can't blame him. After all the crap he went through with this series, all the disrespect he got from Fox after the initial Alien, he probably doesn't want to put all the blood, sweat, and tears into it that it would take to create new alien and space jockey designs. The sad truth is that even if Ridley had wanted to let Giger come in and head up the creature and space jockey designs, if it had held up the movie at all, Fox would have pulled their usual bullshit in regards to Giger (see Alien 3), or fired him. The thing is they see that without Giger having been involved much at all beyond Alien 3, the franchise still made money with different people designing the aliens (only one that got Giger's approval after the fact was Cameron's queen, so don't say Cameron fucked it up or anything). The sadder truth is that Ridley couldn't even realize that maybe taking a bit more time to let Giger join the design team and do more of the creature design, would have been a good idea. All Giger gets is to do a mural and Ridley saying, *I hope he likes the movie* and *God is the best designer.* (this is said in the bts doc The Furious Gods, from the 4-disc Blu-ray set). Now in most cases that is correct, but in the end anyone designing anything based on nature, is just interpreting God's work anyways. Giger is no different. He just sees things in such a unique way. Especially the more macabre elements of nature. Why not let Giger, the man most responsible from a design sense, for creating the most iconic movie monster ever (seriously, never been topped IMO) to come have some serious clout as to what the creepy crawlies should look like in Prometheus? This goes back to what alienfanatic and I were discussing in the previous Prometheus thread. Basically that now Ridley gets all the credit for Alien, while O'Bannon and Giger are relegated to the back of the bus.

  • O'Bannon, Giger, and Ridley. O'Bannon thought up the the actual fucking idea and plot behind it all, and brought Giger to Ridley's attention. Giger gave the film a dark soul and aesthetic that made it stand out from everything else, and still does to this day. Ridley brought a unique cinematic style to it all, and paced it brilliantly to cause a sense of pure dread to build up in the mind of the viewer. Also, Ridley was smart enough to realize the potential to let Giger design the alien and all the biomechanical elements surrounding the creature and its civilization (alien lifecycle, the derelict, and of course the space jockey). He also realized that O'Bannon could be an ally, since he was so well versed in science fiction and Lovecraft and all that stuff. Whereas Giler and Hill were so hostile towards O'Bannon being involved at all. The problem with Prometheus seems to be that Ridley let 20th Century Fox and Lindelof take the place of Giger and O'Bannon. Even Jon Spaihts, who seems to have done a ton of drafts for this before Lindelof came onboard, admits that they moved away from his scripts most likely due to Spaihts not having written a produced movie at that point. Typical Hollywood paranoia. No matter how good something is, it can't be ready for prime time if the writer or director behind it is new and hasn't had a big budget movie produced yet (example: the Blomkamp/Jackson Halo movie that never was). Do these suits even realize that everyone has to start out somewhere? Even Spielberg, Cameron, or Sir Ridley Scott were once un-produced filmmakers with stars and dreams in their eyes. Giger had never designed for a big budget movie before, but look what he did with Alien? The sad thing is Spaihts is actually pretty darn good at writing science fiction feature scripts, but will most likely be blamed for Prometheus not being all it could be. Lindelof will just get endless jobs doing more TV and more Star Trek for Abrams. And again, Spaihts and Lindelof aren't to blame in the end, as Ridley was steering the ship. He could have had another writer follow up on Lindelof's drafts if he wanted to. Back to Spaihts, Shadow 19 and Passengers are good reads. Maybe not as great as classic scripts like those for Blade Runner, Aliens, or The Matrix, but damn good stuff. I still need to see Shadow 19 made up as an epic 3D sci-fi action film before I die. So while I haven't read Spaihts' scripts for this, I hope we all eventually get to read and compare Spaihts' Alien: Engineers drafts with Lindelof's Prometheus drafts.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Can't decide how much credit I think O'Bannon deserves

    by Keith

    The high concept idea is great, but the STARBEAST script isn't actually that great. If it had been filmed as written, it would have been a slightly schlocky story with a single great idea (the internal incubation of the alien seed). The dialogue is corny, the character names are naff (small thing but it gives a sheen of non-quality to the proceedings), and the entire second half of the story is a routine conveyor belt of deaths. (Actually I guess the vacuum wind storm idea was interesting.) O'Bannon and David Giler both overstate their cases. O'Bannon claims the final movie was essentially just their script with one thing added (the Ash subplot). Not true. Giler and Hill's script is much more polished and professional, and much better-paced. Giler claims that they basically rewrote the entire thing and just took one element from the O'Bannon/Shussett script. That's not true either; the essential framework of the story remains the same. The whole thing is a team effort. The first script is the source of the ideas. The second script adds good writing and pacing. Scott decides to do the thing seriously with high production values, and his direction and attention to detail put the thing over the top, when it could easily have been a routine exploitation horror. Giger adds sheer brilliance to the look of the creature and the planet. Cobb makes the Nostromo interiors look fantastic. Rawlings does a first rate job of editing. Goldsmith's score works perfectly. Extra credit: It's O'Bannon's idea to bring Giger onboard. That is a huge contribution. Scott and Rawlings reject some of Goldsmith's intended tracks and go with ones that I think work much better (the opening titles and Dallas in the air ducts). MVP award goes to Scott imo. But no one person deserves to treat Alien as their creation.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    O'Bannon

    by Keith

    I love the story he told about the opening week of Alien. IIRC, he's driving around LA, feeling pissed off because he thinks he's been excluded, sees all these people lined up for Alien, decides to go see it, and is just blown away by the movie and starts crying. One of those stories that makes you blub just listening to it, and empathizing with a guy whose dreams were realized. Not quite in the way he wanted, but realized nonetheless.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Now That I've Watched Prometheus a Few Times

    by Real Deal

    I think the haters here are full of shit. Years from now they'll be talking about this movie and it's sequels like they do about Alien and Blade Runner today. I really liked it guys and the haters here are once again just full of shit. Can't wait to see what happens in Paradise.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    Yeah, i saw that story too told by O'Bannon, and i did feel a bit misty on my eyes too. There's no denying that Alien was made by a dream team, but it all had been for nothing had not Scott being in the height of his powers and a huge urge to prove himself.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST

    @Mr real deal

    by albert comin

    So each repeating viewing of Prometheus made you retreat more and more from reality? How do you do that?

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    @Mr lv_426

    by albert comin

    Oour posts just helps reinforce my ida that Scott had far lass power and say so in this movie then they want us to believe. Moe and more i'm convince that the real power behind the movie, other the Rothman, was Lindelof.He's the Lost guy, he can't be wrong, right? He's the one with the pulse on the audiences, right? Frankly, i see it as Scott being at his most diplomatic, him assuming responsailities which are not eally his. But it's not mere cocidence that in the ed it's Scott who still remains for the sequel while Lindelof got fired. This stuff is just too convinient to be mere coincidence. Even the people at Fox understood what made the movie fail, and it all points to Lindelof' direction. Prometheus didn'tneed to be a copy of Alien, as you very well said. But it needed to had been made in the same spirit. Alas.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    @scirocco sorry mate but don't try to diminish Ridley's

    by frank

    responsibility for this crap movie simply because you hate Lindelof for making Lost. Ridley not only cared a lot for this project but he fought for it from the beginning. He was the one who wanted a new Alien movie for years, he was the one who asked for bigger budget, he was the one who took the original script and asked for rewrites from Lindelof, he was the one who was deeply involved in the marketing and promotion of the movie. These are well known facts. And then ofc there is the bluray documentary that DVader mentions which clearly showcases the affection that Ridley has for this project. So no Ridley didn't just take a paycheck for a day's work and then went home. He had the full responsibility, control, vision and ambition to make a new classic scifi masterpiece, which would have been as intellectual as 2001 and would have also resurrected the Alien franchise and his career. Unfortunately for him and us, he failed. This is the truth, he failed. Ofc he is not alone in this failure but he has the biggest part in it. Why he failed when he happens to be one of cinema's gods? Well this is a subject for another discussion but let's say for now that for some people the big failure of Prometheus was not a surprise, rather a given outcome.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Hacks like Lindelof and Orci are no longer the "creative element"

    by evergreen

    They're more or less marketing facilitators. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That being said, PROMETHEUS isn't nearly as bad as has become fashionable to proclaim. It has an interesting premise and a universe worth exploring with Noomi Rapace. I'll be there for the sequels.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Rapace's performance

    by Keith

    I didn't think it worked at all. I have a suspicion that she can't act very well in the English language, and that two productions signed her up and then realized, too late, that it wasn't going to work. Most of her part in Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows seems to have ended up on the cutting room floor. I do wonder if they were trying to work around problems with her performance in that and in Prometheus.

  • I'm not going to repeat the multiple stupid plot points / character actions that others have so ably and valiantly pointed out - seems like some people just don't want to see or accept them. But anyone who seriously believes this film will one day be held in the same regard as Alien or Blade Runner basically shows a complete lack of sense. Even if the sequel ("Paradise"?) is fucking brilliant (and dear God I hope it is), that will not redeem this film. Btw why do people keep referring to the giant facehugger / squid at the end as a trilobite? Looks nothing like a trilobite, maybe you mean a ammonite which is still a stretch.

  • dammit i shoulda veered left.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    misterdarcy - I disagree

    by evergreen

    But I understand how a multi-award winning Swedish actor using an English accent might upset you.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Overrated

    by Keith

    She's multi-award winning...in Swedish. That does NOT mean she can act in English. And the evidence of Prometheus says that she can't. She doesn't have the right nuances or inflections. And to be honest it felt like she was spending too much mental energy focusing on the accent (and failing). It was a stupid decision...they should have just had the character be Swedish. (Would anyone have cared if she had spoken English with a Swedish accent?)

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I watched her in the Swedish Larsson movies

    by Keith

    She seemed fine in those, although to be honest people who think they can tell good and bad acting in a language other than their own are largely deluding themselves. (This is one of the reasons people tend to overrate films made in a different language from their own; they can't detect bad performances very easily.)

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    kgersen

    by lv_426

    I think Prometheus is going to end up more like Alien 3 and maybe the two Matrix sequels. Ambitious but flawed, disappointing to most fans, but in the end it will get a bit better with age to the point where people appreciate it a little more than they do now. At best, that is what could happen, unless the sequel Paradise is truly excellent, which could bolster Prometheus a bit. Almost the opposite effect of Alien Resurrection and AvP, where once those were released fans of Alien and Aliens might have seen Alien 3 in a better light in sort of an *it's not that bad* sense. No way Prometheus ends up like Blade Runner though. The truly amazing thing about Blade Runner is that it was a big failure financially but eventually came to be seen as one of the best and most influential science fiction films of all time, only bested by maybe Kubrick's 2001. I can't imagine Prometheus will have any sort of rebirth like that. As for the trilobite, we only call it that because that is its name in all the behind the scenes info revealed so far. Personally I think it is more of a Lovecratian octopus face-raper.

  • You know. there are places on this planet where people don't speak American. Some of them make excellent movies.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST

    lv_426

    by KGersen

    Thanks for your points on where you think Prometheus will be placed, I agree with the Matrix 2 & 3 comparisons, 'could've been great, some lovely visuals, but essentially painful to watch' I actually quite like Alien 3, agree that in many ways they dropped the ball (the DVD behind-the-scenes where everyone basically blames everyone else is very telling and interesting to watch) but I actually think the characters have some interesting motivations / developments. Thanks also on explaining where the trilobite thing comes from, no idea why they called it that and yes it definitely has Lovecraft all over it. Now an interesting question is - why did Del Toro say he wouldn't go ahead with 'At The Mountains of Madness' because Prometheus covered the same ground - really don't see that as convincing having watched Prometheus twice now. Btw there's a great documentary on youtube re HP Lovecraft with lots of commentary from Del Toro, Neil Gaiman, Peter Straub etc. A must for any HPL fan.

  • Whether that means Charlize or Noomi was the better fit is besides the point. If Shaw/Vickers were one character, then they could have focused more on the father-daughter-android son angle with the elder Weyland. Does old man Weyland favor his real flesh and blood daughter who might be a bit rebellious, or his really obedient android son David, who ironically wants Weyland dead so he will be free. They could have kept Weyland's daughter as a scientist character (she would no doubt be wealthy and would have self-funded her archeological expeditions on Earth looking for cave paintings from ancient alien space gods). All the daddy issues could still be there. Perhaps she defied pops by studying science instead of following him to the board-room? Of course, that would be delicious irony due to Sir Peter Weyland having acquired his fame and fortune through science and technology. Maybe he doesn't want to let his kids surpass his own legacy? As for the cold bitch side of Vickers, a more balanced approach would have been to keep some of these strong survival traits intact but letting her be normal and more personable at times. Ripley was painted as kind of a bitchy authority figure in the original Alien. Then in Aliens she wasn't afraid to go against the status quo or be disliked if it meant speaking the truth about the hostile alien lifeform she encountered. I feel like Prometheus is kind of muddled in this sense. They make Vickers out to be a cold frigid evil flamethrower wielding bitch who is too stupid to zig instead of zag when a giant alien ship is crashing towards her. Thing is she is more like Ripley than Shaw is. Also, why is she Meredith Vickers and not Meredith Weyland? Now maybe she is a daughter from a mistress of Peter Weyland. I can certainly imagine him being sort of a playboy even into his 60's. Thing is my first thought was maybe her last name is Vickers because she is married to some guy with that last name. For all we know Vickers is an ambitious woman with a family and career in the company waiting back home. She could be like Ripley was for all we know. Instead of some more nuanced character development like that, we get Vickers the petulant brat child of Weyland who can't make friends because she may or may not be a robot. As for the faith versus science thing, what they kept this intact with a single Shaw/Vickers character? That would be another barrier between old man Weyland and his daughter. She genuinely wants to discover some greater truth while he just wants to exploit the technology of the gods. How much more powerful and personal would it have been for this protagonist having to face off against the engineer that killed her father? It feels like Ridley wanted to tell a father-daughter-android son story, but it got railroaded by a naive scientist and her douchy boyfriend. Also, one more point and I'll shut up on the whole Shaw/Vickers thing... Is it just me or does the movie seem to villainize Vickers for killing an infected Holloway before he could contaminate the ship (a Holloway who actually realized he was dead anyways and willing walked into the fire), yet Shaw asking Janek and crew to kill themselves by ramming the Prometheus into the engineer's ship, is kinda like no big deal? It almost feels like because Shaw is Christian she is more sympathetic, even when things she does are illogical (removing helmets in the pyramid). Then Vickers or even the security team are seen as a-holes because they are merely more cautious when dealing with things on this alien world. No weapons my ass. It reminds me of how in Aliens, Gorman isn't a failure because he tells the marines not to fire pulse rifles and smart guns in the atmosphere processor, but because he freezes up when he should have given the order to fall back once the shit hit the fan. Shaw saying that no security should be allowed in the pyramid, and no weapons was just foolish. For all she knows Fifield's pups that were used to map the place could have set off an interstellar war had the engineers seen these crazy balls with red lasers flying around all over the place.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST

    ^ I should have added

    by lv_426

    Ripley is initially introduced as kind of a bitchy authority figure in Alien, but not in such a ham-fisted manner. Also, her other traits are revealed as the film goes on. Same with Parker in a sense. He is kind of a bullshitter type that knows how to skirt around certain procedures, but he isn't dumb or shown to be oblivious like Fifield or Milburn. Then of course Parker tries to save Lambert, so he isn't as selfish as we think he is when he bitches about full shares and the bonus situation. That is the thing about Alien, as well as Blade Runner. Not only do the characters show more true humanity, but they also surprise you by not necessarily being all they are cracked up to be. With Prometheus, the characters are not as detailed or interesting. Well, besides David that is. I think Weyland would could have been an interesting character had he been more of a vital part of the ensemble instead of being a rabbit pulled out of the mystery box towards the end of the film.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Overrated

    by Keith

    Thanks for the info. I'm not American, don't live there, never have. (By the way, I speak English, not American.) Many of my favourite films are foreign language ones - Alice in Der Stadten, Pan's Labyrinth, Mesrine, Rififi, Downfall etc. But I don't delude myself into thinking that I can rate acting in a non-English language as well as I can in an English-speaking film. You think you'd be able to tell whether a Japanese actor was giving a stilted delivery rather than an intentionally stiff one? I doubt that you could, unless you're a fluent Japanese speaker.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by evergreen

    Good for you. You speak with a posh RP and make fun of chavs and scousers in your spare time. My point stands that your premise is ridiculous. It is entirely within the scope of human ability to identify with and be moved by a non-english speaking storyteller, and to recognize brilliance across the language "barrier". You don't even have to be a hipster. But it helps if you're not an autistic bigot.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Hi Overrated

    by Keith

    Yes, you can absolutely identify with and be moved by a non-english speaking storyteller. You seem to think - entirely mistakenly - that this is the same thing as being able to tell good and bad acting in a non-native language as well as in your native one. Perhaps English is your second language? It would explain why your comprehension is so weak.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 12:57 a.m. CST

    By the way

    by Keith

    Do you know what a premise is? You seem to be misusing the word. And, no, your point does not stand.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Also

    by Keith

    I love the fact that I've gone from being an insular redneck American to a Buckinghamshire toff within the space of two posts. It's fun to watch your flailing around in a desperate search for personal attacks. It might help if you knew the first thing about me. I can't even tell whether you understood my post about people overrating foreign language movies. You seem (?) to think that I'm attacking foreign language movies, and have blown a fuse rushing to type out some angry email. (Seemingly this was initially a furious excoriation of idiot Americans, which has required a subsequent diversion in the presence of information undermining this tirade somewhat. Now it's an attack on another group of people that you hate, i.e. middle-class English southerners. It's a real shame for you that I belong to neither of these groups, and indeed neither of these countries.) Anyway, I'm not criticizing foreign movies at all. I'm saying that people tend to overrate them. As a crude approximation, monoglot English speakers might rate French movie X as an 8/10 movie where French speakers would rate X as 7/10, because the English viewers lack the capacity to detect weaknesses in the performances. This doesn't mean that there are no 8/10 French movies, or that every monoglot English speaker overrates every French movie.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Yes...

    by evergreen

    Your premise is that it is impossible to evaluate acting skill if it is not performed in one's native language. Based on your arguments, my conclusion is that you're an idiot.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Some tests for yourself

    by Keith

    Name me five French actors whom you think tend to give weak performances. And name some of the performances. Tell me which actors gave weaker performances in, say, Das Boot. Point out some of the scenes where the delivery wasn't quite up to snuff. Actually, you can do this for any German film you choose. Whom do you think gave the strongest and the weakest performances in 'Oldboy'? Give reasons for your answer. Looking forward to it, Mr D.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST

    My 'premise'

    by Keith

    'Your premise is that it is impossible to evaluate acting skill if it is not performed in one's native language' No. My hypothesis, based on personal experience, is that it is *harder* in a foreign language. (Impossible? Where did you get that from?) There is an assumption that conclusions/hypotheses drawn from my own experiences are generalizable. This may or may not be the case, but most of us make the tacit assumption that others are similar to ourselves in most respects. Looking forward to those lists...

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST

    Oh, sorry...

    by Keith

    ...that ought to be 'some tests for you', or 'some tests to give yourself'. Have listened to too many call centre agents...

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I didn't think it was a total bust,

    by Dingbatty

    but it was definitely a waste of Fassbender's performance (as was X-Men FC).

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:01 a.m. CST

    by evergreen

    Oldboy? Choi Min-sik was brilliant. His offer to Woo-jin will haunt me for the rest of my life. Kang Hye-jung was just annoying and unconvincing. Five French actors is an unrealistic sample, though I'll allow that Gérard Depardieu is horrendous. I really can't think of any weak performances in Das Boot, or any other German film. There's a reason for that: European films are mostly produced in cooperation with socialist governments, so "blockbusters" aren't such a big deal as they are in Hollywood. Hollywood films tend to be star based, with emphasis on targeted marketing. Which is why they generally suck.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Speaking of German films...

    by evergreen

    Aguirre was made with a stolen camera, the director threatened murder-sucide, and some asshole came THIS close to selling the monkeys.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST

    The Alien movies

    by allouttabubblegum

    ALIEN- Basic haunted house type horror premise with amazing visuals and unexplained mysteries that many debated about. Nothing deep or intelligent. ALIENS-Studio wants sequel.Higher tech Action movie with "cool" moments (bigger aliens/explosions/powersuits!) that the teens will love (Am I lying? was there not toys/arcade game?). Ripley is a household name. Nothing deep or intelligent. ALIEN 3- Studio wants sequel. Attempt to go back to the spirit of ALIEN met with dissapointment from "fans" who wanted Action movie with cool moments. Ripley dies because "weaver tired of playing her" Nothing deep or intelligent. ALIEN RESSURECTION-An attempt to continue the Ripley/alien franchise adding the DNA element.Written by GEEK. Weaver back on because weaver gotta eat. Not deep not intelligent. AVP-Comic book/Computer game...yeah. PROMETHEUS-Original ALIEN director hired by studio to make new franchise. Director enjoys making another scifi after so many years. Wants to do something experimental with it and delivers a film with enough open ends to make a new series of films with amazing visuals and unexplained mysteries that many debated about. Met with dissapointment from "fans" who wanted Action movie with cool moments. Nothing deep or intelligent. Simply put you whiners about Prometheus have nothing to whine about.

  • Why are you focusing on things being 'deep and intelligent'? Alien is simply an extremely well-made film. Prometheus is not.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Five French actors is an unrealistic sample

    by Keith

    Really? You can't name even five weak French actors? Or even five bad French language performances? But it's so easy with English language actors: Keanu Reeves Hayden Christensen Emma Watson Orlando Bloom Ryan Phillippe Sylvester Stallone Gerard Butler Jessica Alba Ben Affleck Just straight off the top of my head. No messing. What is it about Gerard Depardieu that you find particularly unconvincing? (In French language movies, I mean.)

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Alien is simply an extremely well-made film. Prometheus is not.

    by allouttabubblegum

    According to you?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Happy Birthday, Nintendarth

    by Nintendarth

    -What is it about modern sci-fi that makes it so robotic? At Nintendarth's house, it has long been her goal to avoid the meandering pomposity of pointless franchise-based world-building, never watching movies that are indistinguishable from each other.- Hello, I'm Nintendarth. -What can you do, Nintendarth-? I can do almost anything that so-called expert writers, producers, directors and editors do, but it isn't asked of me. Maybe it's because I'm not on board with building meandering franchises. Maybe it's because of my boobs. I can create characters the audience might care about, characters who behave like real human beings. I can make a film that's more efficient by avoiding pointless rewrites & empty plot threads designed to create questions without answers. I could have made LOST a single two-hour movie. Or a thirty-minute short. I can carry a storyline from beginning to end, telling a complete story - activities that modern franchise-motivated money-grubbing end-of-their-career in-it-for-the-cash directors and producers might find....... distressing, because it means only one complete story in one complete movie, or anathema to the current Hollywood model. I can make sure a movie won't blend in with all the other garbage, and do it effortlessly, mainly because almost everything Hollywood puts out is such pure and total pabalum that even a rudimentary beginning-middle-end would set my film apart from low-brow sequel-mongering as found in PROMETHEUS. -Nintendarth, what do you think about?- I think about everything. ... Children actually being engaged by a movie through characterization and story instead of being told to simply look at pretty special effects, bright colors or giant noisy robots. ... themes, like religion or politics, which modern movies shy away from because it's easier to tell stories about magical angels and devils that don't exist but bear no resemblance to anything in the real world. ... creating a coherent NEW functioning universe that isn't trying to fit into predetermined parameters established by other films for the purpose of interconnectivity which in turn is for the purpose of Blu-Ray combo pack box sets. ... making real human characters, even if they're mechanical, who don't behave like empty robots. -Nintendarth, what makes you sad?- Prequels. Sequels. Reimaginings. Unnecessary remakes. I understand Hollywood's motivations, although I do not feel them, myself. This allows me to be more creative and capable and makes it easier for my human characters to interact. -Is there anything you would like to say, Nintendarth?- I would like to express gratitude to real moviemakers, whose movement to create art will never die. To those who create. -Happy birthday, Nintendarth. From Nintendarth Industries.- First generation Nintendarth-type. Intellectual. Integrity-based. Physical. Emotional. Fuck you, PROMETHEUS. (This is what my entry would say, but since I know I wouldn't win the flashlight I just figured you might enjoy reading what could have been if I gave two shits). Sequels. Prequels. Unnecessary remakes.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Oh, yeah, I also forgot -

    by Nintendarth

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lTOA7ccuys

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    @misterdarcy

    by allouttabubblegum

    My point is most of the whines about Prometheus is that it huge moments of sillyness. Alien is just as silly...after all on the surface it is basically people running around doing silly things in corridors trying not to get eaten by a dancer dressed up as a space creature. People still go find hidden meanings in it. Prometheus on the surface is a bunch of people wanting to find their maker and end up doing silly things running around trying not to be killed of by different situations involving space monsters. People still go find hidden meanings in it. Technically Prometheus is just as well made as Alien. If not more so. The difference is there was a Alien script trying to find a film and theres this a Alien spin off film trying to find a script. Storywise Prometheus even if unsuccesfully has more going for it than just a monster eating people flick...theres more to expand on with further films. Theres more going on in prometheus than alien and it suffers due to the runtime. So I agree with the pacing issues. From looking at things the Studio wanted a 2 hour movie. The first cut was 2 1/2 hours. So Scott shot the movie pretty tight. I like Prometheus because it at least they made an effort to do something diferent with the franchise rather than a remake.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Technically Prometheus is just as well made as Alien

    by J.B.M.A.

    I would disagree, unless you are simply trying to make a point about SFX and minor technicalities. Alien demonstrates Scott at his best as a filmmaker. Prometheus demonstrates that while he still has a remarkable eye for imagery, he's completely lost his grip on all the other important skills required. It is not enough to say that the thing is pretty. It is not a car commercial.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST

    darth macchio

    by DocPazuzu

    re kamikaze captain. I've brought that very point up in several talkbacks because it's one of the most WTF moments I think I've ever seen in a movie of Prometheus's scale. It's also one of the points which has been most systematically ignored by the film's defenders (for obvious reasons). I knew the collision was going to happen, because we all saw it in the trailer, but I was expecting some sort of dramatic build up which would motivate such an action, but no. It's a terrible -- TERRIBLE -- piece of narrative and sweeps away any final, shaky leg of believability the movie might have had up until that point. Simply awful.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    @Mr mimirsan

    by albert comin

    There's nothing silly about Alien. One of the reasons why it's so good, it endured all this years and still feel fresh is how seriously it takes itself and how seriously the filmmakers made it. There's no goffing around in that movie. There's no winks to the camera, there's no obvious references or throwbacks to other movies, there's no Tarantinoesque self-concious references, it's just straigh storytelling. Yes, you can make an argument hat technically Prometheus is as well made as alien. While i fail to see how that comparison can be used in Prometheus's favour, the fact is that technically Prometheus is a very well made movie... except on two areas, which have already been discussed before in this talkback: editing and story. The dditing in Prometheus is too hysterical, too obsesse with fast pacing it forgets to build effective mood. And there is no real sense of the passage of time. The whole stay in the planet feels like it happened in real time because ther eis no clue to how long they have been there. Was it hours? Days? How long? I haven't the cluest. I have no such problem with Alien, however. As for story, which is also a technical aspect of the movie as well as artistic, well, a lot have said about Prometheus' faults on it already. So, is Prometheus techically as good as alien? No, it's close but not as good. I'm always impressed with everything about Alien, i'm not about Prometheus. Now i ask you, was this infantille whining? Or are you one of those who calls infantille and whining to every opinion that does not perfectly match your own?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    @Mr j.b.m.a.

    by albert comin

    Right you are. Could this be a generational thing? The younger fellas are quite satisfied if a movie is shiny looking and does some cod atempts at profoundity without actually doing it, but the older fellas are no longer fooled with such shallowness? What do you think?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:22 a.m. CST

    docpazuzu

    by allouttabubblegum

    Theres a deleted scene of the captain telling vickers about the amount of death hes seen from experiments. Although he says nothing in the final film cut there are reaction shots of sadness when he sees the cargo of containers and dead bodies. Its not unreasonable to accept he would sacrifice his life to save earth. http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/prometheus-deleted-scenes-reveal-deeper-character-moments.html

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    @Mr overrated

    by albert comin

    Socialist governments in Europe? You mean permanent socialist governments? That hasn't happened since the fall of Berlin wall, when all former socialist governments from the other side of the iron curtin fell like a card castle. So there are no socialist governments in Europe right now. Go check an history book. Sometimes a socialist party is elected (notice the word ELECTED here) through democratic elections and they held power until next elections, in which they can either get re-elected or not. But nowdays all those so-called socialist parties are but in name only. Their politics have been very market conscious. Their act like liberal parties, and by liberal i mean the real definition of what is liberal politics, not the deturped notion most use with liberal meaning left-winger, which is in fact the very opposte what liberal means. This shit is not hard to know, you can start with wikipedia and go from there. There is no excuse now for people in america to mistake all pollicy making in europe as "socialism". Fucking socialism died with the fall of the Berlin Wall, the world is all capitalist now, only real exception being North Korea. So that you know. Other then that, interesting post, my friend. Keep them coming. Rant's over.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:35 a.m. CST

    j.b.m.a

    by allouttabubblegum

    Alien demonstrates Scott at his best as a filmmaker Prometheus demonstrates that while he still has a remarkable eye for imagery, he's completely lost his grip on all the other important skills required.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by DocPazuzu

    Is there also a deleted scene which explains why his two crew members, when given the choice between escaping with fuckbot Vickers in her sweet, pimped-out, two-year life support ride and committing suicide with their captain based on practically no evidence other than the ramblings of a woman they all think is a bit mad, they go "aw shucks, well if you're gonna die captain, take us with you."?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Where are all those hilarious talkbackers...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...who were dreaming about a super-secret, back-to-back sequel to Prometheus that was going to be sprung on us in October? You know, the one that was going to show all the haters how awesome Prometheus was after all. Anyone? Bueller? Sifo-Dyas?

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST

    @Mr cavejohnson

    by albert comin

    I see the wisdom in your words, for which i thank you. I still maintain my take on it, that Ridley Scott's intervention in the movie is far lesser then the advertizement machine from 20th century fox wants us to believe. Getting him to direct Prometheus instead of somebody else was a great coup from Fox, as they could milk a lot of free publicity from the "return of Ridley Scott maker to the Alien serial". Of course they would get a director with a lot of expertise and a great visual talent. And since he is from the begining, there was the bonus associated with him being more in the known then some young snot-nozed filmmaker out of video music making. But still, it seems that Scott is being a player when he accepts more credits from what is his stuff in the movie then what happened. Specially when story is concerned. I'm not saying this to defend Scott. He doesn't need me for that. I'm a nobody. It's just that i can't help reading between the lines. Of course i have no concrete proof of my suspicions. However... really, this is how it looks like and it seems so obvious, despite nobody saying it opently (because they would, right? Yeah, right!). As for Lindelof, i know, i came off as extremely harsh on him. But it's not because of Lost. I always felt very apathetic about Lost. I never understood it's popularity. I feel and always have felt utter desinterest. Other much better and smarter shows caugh my attention. So Lost is a non-entity to me and so was Damon Lindelof. Until Prometheus. Then he caugh my interest. And for the wrong reasons.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7 a.m. CST

    docpazuzu

    by allouttabubblegum

    Did you fail to pay attention to the film? The Captain AND crew saw enough evidence through the video feeds and the fact the fucking ship was on its way up right in front of their eyes. Shaws rambling only certified things. It was a spur of the moment decision. Do you think in life heroic acts are preplanned? Maybe they all have history together for all we know. Theyre secondary characters in the film at best. Why should it matter what they do? It says a lot about what they think of vickers. In a warped geek like yourself view all films should be spelled out in big letters and every disposable character have a full character history on screen so they can even get a clue whats going on. Ridley scott generally respects the audiences intelligence enough to leave abiguity. He also know that the audience has seen this thing before in other films so why repeat it. We get it already...well you dont. Scott has always had pacing issues in his theatrical cuts. His films always have abiguity also. see the introduction to Decker in Bladerunner...no words. WB had no confidence in this and put in narration. They had no confidence in the audience. Hey maybe WB was right? Fucking shit film Bladerunner without that narration.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Heres a prime example how one could view a now classic.

    by allouttabubblegum

    http://darkpartyreview.blogspot.co.uk/2008/02/fantastically-bad-cinema-blade-runner.html Why this? why that? no answers...must be shit.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    orr

    by allouttabubblegum

    Undoubtedly an impressive achievement in set design and visuals, Blade Runner otherwise possesses few elements designed to effectively capture (and subsequently hold) the viewer's interest over the course of its bloated 117-minute running time. The threadbare storyline - which follows Harrison Ford's futuristic bounty hunter as he attempts to track down four runaway humanoid robots - has been augmented with characters that are scarcely developed beyond their most superficial attributes, and it becomes exceedingly difficult to care about any of their exploits once the novelty of the film's look wears off (which doesn't take long at all, admittedly). Scott, working with cinematographer Jordan Cronenweth and production designer Lawrence G. Paull, effectively paints an evocative portrait of a smoky, downright seedy world, yet there does reach a point at which the relentlessly grimy atmosphere becomes overwhelming and oppressive. The synth-heavy score by Vangelis only exacerbates the film's many problems, while the sluggish pace succeeds only in keeping the viewer at arm's length (the protracted finale is, to put it mildly, awfully anti-climactic). That Blade Runner is now considered a landmark achievement within the science fiction genre is nothing short of baffling, with the frustratingly ambiguous conclusion only cementing the film's status as a hopelessly overrated piece of work.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Alien- Bad reviews

    by allouttabubblegum

    Has the usual number of inconsistencies, improbabilities and outright absurdities characteristic of the sci-fi and horror genres. What is interesting, though, is its hostile critical reception, despite the excellent visual values, direction that is no more hokey than usual in such films, dialogue that (when it is decipherable) is par for the course, and acting that is generally superior. What earmarks Alien as a probable audience hit and certifiable critical flop is merely that the horror is more horrible than usual.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    One could say

    by allouttabubblegum

    Scotts a minimalist. His films are always divisive. Some will love it. Some will hate it. Prometheus is no different from his previous body of work.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by DocPazuzu

    You're reaching. Not to mention overextending your grasp. There's a huge difference between ambiguity and stupidity. None of the examples you bring up -- especially Blade Runner -- have any validity in this context. How is the idiotic behavior of the crew in any way excused by the fact that Scott took his time in introducing Deckard? Or that you claim Scott is using some sort of shorthand because we've "seen it all before"? You Prometheus defenders always fall back on the same straw man argument, namely that haters want everything spelled out. No, that's not it at all. In fact, the most irate critics I've seen here are all about how idiotic the characters are (primary AND secondary) and how terrible the answers are that HAVE been spelled out. The same thing happened earlier. Somebody brought up how ludicrous and unbelievable the landing/exploring scenes were, and sure enough, here comes a defender who wails about how haters want "ten minutes of landing footage". No, that is not the case. There are very clever ways of making time seem like it's passing without showing every landing strut being deployed and showing scans of the planet's surface in real time. Scott himself did it brilliantly in Alien. Oh, and "It says a lot about what they think of vickers" was very funny. Maybe they were all gay. "For all we know." See? I can reach as well. Hell, stick a few for-all-we-knows in every film review and before you know it, no more bad movies -- ever!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by KGersen

    I read the negative review you posted re Blade Runner (http://darkpartyreview.blogspot.co.uk/2008/02/fantastically-bad-cinema-blade-runner.htm) - it is clearly written by a moron who would do best leaving movie reviewing well alone. I'm not going go line by line through the review to prove the writer's an idiot because I really can't be arsed but if this is your attempt to claim somehow Prometheus is a great film because Blade Runner can get bad reviews (and it had plenty when it first came out from what I've read) then you're really heading down a pointless path.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    wow, mimirsan...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...do you even know what the word "minimalist" means? Oh dear. What exactly is the point of showing us bad reviews of Blade Runner and Alien? Especially considering that the former is a newer review meaning that nothing could have changed that particular critic's mind, not even the comfortable perch of hindsight. A pointless effort.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    The only talkbacker I've seen...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...who can put up a decent fight on behalf of Prometheus is d.vader. And even then, he knows to avoid the most glaring examples of WTF.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    docpazuzu

    by allouttabubblegum

    Its a point of comparison. Some idiots will find faults in a film no matter what. Much like yerself. Im not trying to convince you to like Prometheus. Just your arguements against the film are fairly redundant when Ridleys scotts previous films have the same "issues" You just want the ones who do like the film to agree with you. Thats too bad. The film is what it is. Irregardless you hating it. Irregardless some of us liking it. And all of you no lifers constant whining about Prometheus in each talkback is getting dull. Maybe you think by going on and on Ridley scott will give a fuck and will reshoot the film to your standards? Aint gonna happen. Thats the difference between haters and regular happy folk...theres no endpoint. We can sit and enjoy the film for what it is while you keep on wailing about it with to positive outcome. Sad really. Anyhoo ive got better things to do with my time. I will let someone else feed you.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    to NO positive outcome.

    by allouttabubblegum

    This place needs a fucking edit button!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Well, mimirsan...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...that's probably the next dumbest thing ("minimalist" being the dumbest) you've typed here all day. It's never about the movie, is it? When arguments fail you fall back on your cinematic darlings' detractors as having "no life". Tell me, chief, what exactly is your "endpoint"? Are you going to stop loving Prometheus at some point? No? Chances are, there are plenty of movies I love that you loathe, yet Prometheus is so important to you that if I don't love it as well, then I must have "no life". You know what? With a view of existence as circumscribed as yours, I think I'll stick with hating Prometheus.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    Struck a nerve did I docpazuzu?

    by allouttabubblegum

    AAaaaaaawww Diddums! :-D Byeeee mwah! X

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    People are still defending the shitty Prometheus? lol

    by frank

    you fanboys are pathetic. You know who is the ultimate judgement of the quality of a movie? Time. Just give it a few years and we ll fiinally see what a =masterpiece= Prometheus really is.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    fuckbot Vickers!!!! Ahahahahaha! That's too much!!

    by albert comin

    Maybe the reason why the two bridge guys stay with the "i don't give a shit for all this" captain is because they are inlove with him. Maybe the delected scenes shows them being the captain's cabin boys.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by DocPazuzu

    What nerve is that exactly? If you're going to bail, at least bail with some grace rather than non sequitur yourself into more embarrassment.

  • according to that blog link you posted? do you know how this thing is called? Double standards mate, double standards.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Cavejohnson

    by allouttabubblegum

    WTF are you blabbering about? hahaha I dont actually agree with the Bladerunner review? Its an example to show that some people dont like films for idiotic reasons just to be different and special. You clarify the point im making about you Prometheus bashers and aint it cool hater trolls are. Dimwitted.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    dozpazuzu I was one of those people

    by Autodidact

    I thought for a while that the date flashed at the end of the movie might be the release date of the already filmed sequel. I knew it was unlikely, but I wanted to believe it!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Aaaahhh It all makes sense now...

    by allouttabubblegum

    ...scirocco,docpazuzu and cavejohnson must be children. That must explain it.

  • Guess what, if you like comic books, they ARE in large part juvenile and undemanding as an art form. As if you only read the cream-of-the-crop intellectually oriented stuff. If you like professional wrestling, guess what? You share the primary interest of every mentally retarded career dishwasher. If you read AICN a lot like me, GUESS WHAT you're probably an obsessive nerd on some level, even if your real-life alter ego is an ass-kicking crime-fighting cockswain.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST

    No, I meant "cocksmith"

    by Autodidact

  • His sets and the style of the cinematography were always very rich in details. Every corner of the frame was filled with details, to the point of over-busy. I have seen Blade Runner about 20 times already, and every single time i watch it, i notice a new detail i had never seen before. And that's about sets, the use of light in a scene, even the way the actors perform in his earlier movies, as if Scott deliberatly chosed the takes where the actors were more busy in facial and behavior ticks. Scott was never minimalist. I think you do not understand well what minimalist means. You want a minimalist looking movie, watch "THX-1138", that's how a minimalist movie looks like, specially before the inclusion of added CGI stuff that Lucas did in the 2000s.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Prometheus lost me...

    by C0CKLES

    ...the moment shaw gave birth. And it was just a squid. A f**king squid. Like I can see on any fish market on any given day. Was the original prop so bad they had to ditch it and send someone down to the local fishmongers because Fox executives were doing a set visit to Pinewood. After the stunning creature features of Alien & Aliens....a fucking squid. A fucking squid. It makes no sense. Whatsoever. A squid... Sigh...

  • If you represent the average fan of "Prometheus", then the movie is fucked, utterly fucked. You did all the bad choices when on is in argument. The constant use of logical fallacies you made above is what doomed you. The final drop was the use to ad homine attacks, always the desperate act of the bad loser. Bad form.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Ridley just really loved the Watchmen comic book

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Fuck You Slowmo Fight Guy. I've got your squid right here!

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Hello, I'm T'roll the Movie Critic Android

    by jpwishbone

    I hate on all movies when they are released. Then when the movie reaches 30 years of age I hail it as a classic that can never be bettered.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    You act like a gentleman, something i greatly appreciate, so i have to say, i'm sorry that the movie you happen to like, "Prometheus", is so flawed, flaws you even admit exist and have graciously pointed out. I can only guess how frustrating it must be to love a movie and yet you nkow those embaracing flaws it has and that you can't argue against because they are just there. I'm sorry that the movie has such stupid characters like Fifield and the stoner biologist whose name i can't be bothered to learn. I wanted to like "Prometheus". The movie opens with an assault of gorgeaus imagery, the kind only Master Scott can deliver. The action that happens at the begining, with that strange thing of that engineers drinking the X-Files black goo and disolving gave me a bad feeling, but i just brushed it off, hoping anything that would happen afterwards would give it context. The opening in Scotland was nice. The first shots of the Prometheus ship in space were jaw-dropping spectacular, the kind of beautiful imagery that can bring tears to my eyes. The early scene of David going about his daily business alone was a masterclass of wordless storytelling. It was all going so well. And then the rest of the crew woke up. Well, it was nice that they focused it on Vickers, which gave us a shot of a half-naked Theron doing push ups while still wet and being all business like right out of the cryo beds, while the rest of the crew were all suffering bad hangover or puking their guts out. That woman is hardcore. Great moment for Vickers. I was loving it, since i had the belief that, maybe due to her star power, that she was going to play second lead together with Noomi Rapace. Those earlier scenes seems like it was about to establish a Betty-Veronica dynamic between the two. And then no such thing happened. Vickers is nothing but a glorified 3rd tier character played by a very talented and charismatic actress that deserves better. And then we go to the diner scene and we get to met the crew, specially the main players and major secondary characters like Fifield and things start to go sour. But it was at the briefing scene that i suddently realise what movie i was watching. It was when i realised this was not going a good path. After that, every scene just confirmed all the bad feelings i had about the movie. Losts of pretty imagery followe, but also lots of retard character actions and stupid ploting. I can't, i don't have words to say how disapointed i am with "Prometheus". I'm glad you took more from it then me, but me, this movie is one of those cases that perfectly exemplifies how off the mark Holywood can be this days.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Never said Ridley uses minimalist visuals btw.

    by allouttabubblegum

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Ridleys approach to characterization is however

    by allouttabubblegum

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    jpwishbone

    by allouttabubblegum

    You sum it up nicely

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    c0ckles dont think of it being a squid

    by allouttabubblegum

    Thik of it more of a mutated sperm! :-D

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Blade Runner, 2001 and Prometheus

    by FluffyUnbound

    Arguments can be made that critical exposition is withheld from both Blade Runner and 2001. That exposition is available in the novels. If you don't understand what's happening in (for example) the Dawn of Man sequence in 2001, you can refer to the novel and know what's happening. But here's the thing: let's say that there are, in fact, answers out there to all of the unresolved questions in PROMETHEUS. My problem is I don't see potential answers that won't make the movie even worse. I've read all the baroque fansplanations out there, and they remind me of the absurd contortions people went through for the Matrix sequels. Ultimately, the plots and themes of both 2001 and BLADE RUNNER are elegant, clever, and direct. You don't have to resort to tortured, multi-layer explanations of symbolism and ret-conning of every character's motivations and identity to make those films make sense; you just need a relatively small amount of additional explicit exposition of things that were shown and not told. I'm trying to imagine what similarly simple material you could add to PROMETHEUS to make it make sense, and I'm just not seeing it. Something tells me that any attempts to impose sense on this mess will rapidly turn into extravagant Gnostic elaboration. And that's assuming the answers are even there to be added back in. I think that Lindelhof's involvement makes that very, very doubtful. When you're dealing with a script written by *Arthur C Motherfucking Clarke*, we can be pretty confident that there are real answers and scientific sense available to be puzzled out, no matter how confusing things may initially appear. When dealing with *Mister Lost* we have every reason to assume the opposite.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    mimirsan

    by Keith

    'Just your arguements against the film are fairly redundant when Ridleys scotts previous films have the same "issues"' No. They don't. They really, really don't. When I watched Prometheus, I was reminded continuously that I was watching a (poorly-written) movie, because the characters did things that defied logic: they were stupid and/or baffling. That never happened in either Alien or BR.At no point viewing Alien or BR have I ever been pushed out of the movie because of characters' stupidity. I guess more than anything else, this is why I disliked Prometheus: I could never immerse myself in its world, because its artifice was so flawed that it didn't allow me to. I was taken out of the movie, constantly. Alien and BR are not entirely without flaws, but they're post-hoc: you can think about things after watching the movie that dawn on you as not fully making sense, but this is entirely different from actions in the movie being so baffling as to cause a disconnect with the illusion of reality that a movie must maintain if it is to succeed. For instance, in BR it doesn't really make sense, in retrospect, that Bryant needs to explain to Deckard, an experienced blade runner, the details of how Nexus 6s work. There are also curiosities such as the hard copy of Zhora being a different angle from her face on the screen, and the audio replay of Leon's interview with Holden being different from the original interview when Deckard is reviewing it while driving. ('I'll tell you about my mother!') But none of these things take you out of the movie while you are watching it.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Absurd contortions

    by Keith

    'I've read all the baroque fansplanations out there, and they remind me of the absurd contortions people went through for the Matrix sequels.' I felt this was a good summary: http://tinyurl.com/9rvbu36 'This discovery of Lindelof's - how to exploit the naive faith of those who've come to be ensnared in your meticulously crafted web of bullshit - would come in handy on his first big movie gig as the writer of Prometheus.'

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Silly people in Alien

    by Keith

    'Alien is just as silly...after all on the surface it is basically people running around doing silly things in corridors trying not to get eaten by a dancer dressed up as a space creature. ' You're trying to use a bit of sleight of hand here. You're trying to smash together in people's minds the idea that 'science fiction movies are silly', 'horror movies are silly' or even 'having people dress up and pretend to be characters is silly', with the entirely separate proposition that 'the characters make silly decisions in Alien'. And they don't. Not particularly, anyway. I mean, which actions might be considered silly? Kane's approach to the egg has been dealt with above: reckless, but consistent for his character type. Brett wandering off alone? At that time they think they're dealing with a tiny creature. Dallas going into the air ducts? I don't think he fully comprehends how powerful this thing is, and he also thinks he has a decent gameplan, backed by Ash's tracker equipment. After that, the only real moment of possible silliness is Lambert failing to get out of the way so Parker can use the flamethrower, but she's absolutely frozen with fear. I can't recall anybody complaining before that Alien is ridiculous because the characters act like idiots throughout. But this is the #1 complaint directed against Prometheus, seemingly by around half the people who have seen it. Now public opinion is not the same thing as truth, but you might want to think about WHY the two films have generated these very different responses regarding character logic and plausibility of action.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    @Mr mimirsan

    by albert comin

    If you had said subtle, i would agree. Ridley rarely lkes his actors to go large ham, with the ocasional exception "OUTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWW!!!" Minimalistic acting is a diffrent thing. It's hard to give you an example from mainstream because there is none, actually. You would need to go to those vevy experimental off-beat art-house movies to find such a thing. And even then it's rare. Minimalist doesn't mean subtle. Minimalist acting can be large ham. Wat minilamist truly means is that to go for an effect, instead of using the usual large orquestra, you jus use one instrument represeting all of the same instruments of an orquestra. Say, if an osquestra has 12 violins, then in a minimalispiece it ony has one, and the same to all other instruments. Minimalism in acting would be using the least amount of actors for a given story even i taitionally it would imply more. Examples of minimalism in acting is having one actor act an whole army, him alone being a representation of an whoe army from one country, for eamle. Or having one actor playing various roles which traditonally would be played by different actors, like the same actor playing hero, villain and sidekick. Minimalist acting is not what you think it is . What you call minimalist is in fact subtle, internalized acting. That's a common thing to find inmvies directed by british directors, specially of the Ridley Scott generation.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    The Daily Grabbe dude from the link above said it as it is. His words are pratically verbatim what i feel about the movie... minus the swearing. Fuck, the swearing too.

  • Oct. 11, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    mimirsan you missed my point.

    by frank

    what i said is that if you don't like a movie for a specific flaw but you like another film although it has the same flaw then you are using double standards and your opinion or review is not credible and should not be taken into serious consideration when criticizing movies. simple as that.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    cavejohnson

    by allouttabubblegum

    You lost me. I like Alien I like Bladerunner I like 2001 I like Prometheus I like most films in general but unlike some of you even if a film has flaws (which btw ALL films have flaws/plot holes and characters sometimes doing idotic things) I dont cling onto those little moments just to rip it apart. Even down to how long it takes for the ship to land? c'mon! If any of you actually watched the furious gods doc and listened to any of Scotts audio commentaries you will know he doesnt like repeating himself. Hes totally aware things have been done to death in scifi films. Visually and structurally. Case in point. Alien a slow burn film. Takes its time for the landing. Prometheus a fast paced film. Takes less time for landing scene (Bets scott very likely said "fuck it lets have it short for a change I did a slow landing in Alien already") The guy who said he wished the film was just David and vickers walking around the ship? Thats just absurd! Typical Alien fanboy nonsense. Do you really think that these issues you find in the film are just moronic mistakes or deliberate? Jokes on you guys. I myself like to enjoy a film on the positives. Most of you cant enjoy a film despite flaws. Oh one very last thing. You make so much of a difference typing shit here. At least filmmakers get off their ass and create something.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    And was I the only one...

    by C0CKLES

    ...who thought the 'biological software' (as Speights puts it) merging and meshing with David to create a bio-MECHANICAL being (perfect organism) would have been the perfect twist to the movie rather than his head being ripped off? I really was anticipating David's final fate being a bit more eventful than it actually was. Although Ridley deserves a kick up the arse for the poor editing and scene decisions, the Fifield 'ALIEN' omission...the Engineer speaks (taking the story full circle for Weyland after the TED talk (which should have prefixed the movie). I think Ridley is smarting that the movie got such a critical reception, once he has swallowed his pride in a few years, he will go back and recut it for his 'full vision'.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    @Mr cockles

    by albert comin

    Well, Scott is limited to what he shot, so he can't pull miracles. He can't put in the movie great scenes if they were never shot. I wish there was a way that Scott could create a director's cut of Prometheus the same way he was able to do for Kingdom Of Heaven. The director's cut of KOH turned it into practically a masterpiece of modern cinema. The original version was a good but flawed movie, so there was some room for improvement, since the base was already solid. In Prometheus, the movie is flawed right form the start, so i can't think of a way the movie can be salvaged into a good movie. Unless some rumours i heard about the movie are true and the movie was heavily reshot. Some even claimed the extent reshots of the movie was nearly half of it. I might be remembering it wrong, but if true... then something could be made. One thing Scott could improve with a director's cut of Prometheus would be the pacing. He could linger the shots longer like he used to back when he made Alien. Prometheus is the kind of movie that needs a slower pacing then the usual, not faster. One clue i was going for a disapointment with this movie was when i saw the name of Pietro Scalia as editor. Scalia is very skilled and he's great for editing action scenes. But put him in a movie that has quiet scenes of people talking, and he fucks up. He edits dialogue and tension scenes as if they are action scenes. He shouldn't edit a movie alone.

  • Because he knows he fucked up Prometheus with the writing, and he's worried he'll do it again with Blade Runner... so he's asked Fancher back hoping he'll remember what made Blade Runner so good.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    It's also why Lindelof hasn't been asked back for the Prometheus sequel

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    The David viral videos are better than Prometheus. And that's a major problem

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Because it's clear Ridley was more interested in the ideas behind David, and how he could explore them in a Bladerunner sequel, than making Prometheus.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    @scirocco

    by C0CKLES

    On some of the Prometheus fan sites there are shots of scenes that are not in the movie or deleted scenes and mentions from crew members of scenes shot such as the Engineer emerging from the Juggernaught wreck furiously on the search for Shaw. I live in hope. Perhaps Lindelof can have his Yacht scene put back and earn some redemption. I agree this movie needed a slower pace, especially in the installation, everythings dark and quickly cut, we never really get a good idea of the surroundings. The mural for example, still surprised the 'scientists' don't stand there debating what it means instead of Fifield smoking pot.

  • I caught the first couple episodes of LOST back in the day and checked out as soon as the smoke monster showed up. A lot of the nonsense in PROMETHEUS (which I liked, remember) reminds me of that black smoke.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    @Mr c0ckles

    by albert comin

    I'm affraid that Prometheus can only be saved into uninteresting averageness. And that would be by miracle. I'm sad yo dsay but this movie is a bust, and no editing will ever save it. The movie is just bad from the core, and no added scenes of prolongued pissed off engineers can save it. Our friend hardboiled wonderland said something very right: Scott hired David Perople for the Blade Runner sequel is an indication that he is aware that Prometheus' problems is the script, and why Lindelof was fired from it's sequel. And that's the thing, it's all about the script. There's no after the events editing that can save it now. Kingdom Of Heaven was saved because the script was pretty good and they shot it, so they had material to improve. Whatever other stuff they shot for Prometheus that was not used in the movie, there's still the fact it's scenes from the Lindelof script, which means, it's still crap. I can't see how more crap added to Prometheus can make it better.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    @Mr hardboiled wonderland

    by albert comin

    The viral videos for Prometheus were directed by Ridley Scott's son Jake Scott. Maybe Jake should had directed Prometheus, and not his old man.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I've rented KOH 2 or 3 times and it put me to sleep every time

    by Autodidact

    That movie just does not do it for me. I blame Orlando Bloom, the world's most boring actor.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    Yes, but wich version of the movie? Because the director's cut i find it so enthralling that even though it's 40 minutes longer it feels 30 minutes shorter then the theatrical cut, even though the pacing became slower. how can this seemly paradoxal thing can be? Easy: the movie now has the right pacing. When a movie has the right pacing, it doesn't matter it's slower, as long it's the right pacing the movie becames easier watch. I also think that all this talk of not being able to like Kingdom Of Heaven due to Orland Bloom as lead is a false question. In the director's cut, his performance is very enhanced and improved, to the point you can even forget it's him as lead. And i know this is soemthing many would disagree, but for that role he was cast well. Many complained that the lead in KOH was not Maximus Mrk II, but that's entirely missing the point of the movie. It's a completly different character for a completly different movie with a completly different story set in a completly different setting and historical background. Would a better actor make it better? Perhaps. I know my reaction to his casting was not exactly one of my most receptive i ever had, i also had my own reservations, but watching the movie i realised he was very well cast FOR THAT ROLE. It's a case of casting the right actor for a role, even if that means he might not be the most talented of the actor pool. When directors say about casting right, it not always means getting the actors who act best but those who are best for the role, even if they are not the greatest acting powerhouses. And whatever limitations that Bloom has, the guidance of Scott, being surrounde by other excelent actors who help elevate his game, and being given the best role in his carrer made him elevate his game. Difficult as it might be for you to believe, Bloom really is good in KOH. That's a fact. It would be coo, if you could overcome your bias agaisnt Bloom as i did in regard to this movie. In regard to Kingdom Of Heaven. All the other movies he's in, it's fair game.

  • The movie is boring and Orlando Bloom is a bland, charmless actor.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    You fall asleep quite easily. As a sufferer of too frequent bouts of insomnia, i envy you.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I've had insomnia for the past few years

    by Autodidact

    Although you can have insomnia and still doze off while watching a movie. Insomnia tends to mean you can't sleep when you go to bed.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Watched it again (more analytically) and the cut/extended scenes..

    by Darth Macchio

    First off - what the hell was Ridley thinking cutting so many extended scenes? At least 75% of them should have been in the movie. they would have clearly backed up certain character motivations and filled in the odd moments throughout. While I preferred the cinematic ending to the alternate, preferred the silent engineer to the talking..but many if not most of the others went directly to character development. Something that was oddly missing from the theatrical print - only to be found on the cutting room floor. The editor needs a chiding methinks. But let me also say that even with it's flaws, I very much like this movie, even growing to love it for its ideas and quirkiness (which was not expected). I actually like everything about it, and even it's most glaring flaws are not deal breakers (basically, if they don't slam dunk me out of the movie, then it's not a problem). it's earned my appreciation and i have no reluctance in stating that i absolutely did enjoy the hell out of it. So I wouldn't say Ridley's lost it at all, that's comically laughable hyperbole really, but I would say that he's gotten quite eccentric in his selection process for many aspects of his direction work. As to the kamikaze aspects and going off a person's word: there's a scene shortly before the kamikaze scene that i assume is meant to convey the validity of what comes later. when shaw is speaking with vanek about "not letting anything in there back to Earth" and she says "Be sure you do" when he was obviously expecting her to disagree...that's a decent scene and goes a long way towards validating vanek's belief of shaw's word but I still don't think it's enough. add the other 2 guys who don't argue at all and it becomes a little too 'convenient' to take completely. but i can actually deal with that....what i don't get is some of the more little random oddness bits peppered throughout... -like when millford(?) and fifield are stuck in the 'tomb' overnight and talking to vanek over the com...there's an almost surreal moment where im not sure what exactly vanek is doing...is he fucking with them? why is he not answering their questions? why is he so glib? why is he ignoring their concerns and questions? he's not company, he's also not an uptight dick...so why the very odd reaction? i'll admit to maybe missing something in this interplay or perhaps something from an earlier scene but that whole scene is very puzzling. -david just going ahead and pressing buttons and activating shit in the ship with everybody standing their and just asking what he's doing. i have to say someone would have stopped him at some point. when he didn't stop, they'd have likely started to think there's another agenda beyond their own (especially when they ask vickers that question directly earlier in the movie) -taking off your helmet in breathable air. bad bad bad science any way you slice it. there's breathable air all over this planet - there's also fully "breathable air" right in the midst of an air-bound virus infection that could mortally infect you in seconds...but this guy takes off his helmet? it would have worked if no one else took off theirs and left holloway to risk his own life. even here on Earth, the native americans died in legion from infections from european settlers from which they had no naturally developed immunity...imagine what kind of virus an alien environment might have..we simply have no way of knowing or detecting (much less immunizing or killing it absolutely)..and we would have zero defense. a common 24-hour cold on Earth could easily be the black plague killing tens of millions on an alien world and vice-versa. easily. -vickers running straight instead of to the side - not as big a deal but given how "controlled" she was shown throughout the movie, it occurs to me she would have not panicked and ran to the side instead of straight under the falling ship's path. but then, had the cut scene where she was obviously and visibly upset and disturbed at having to kill holloway, it made more sense for her to not be in control and make a huge mistake that cost her her life. a rather ignoble end either way tho. still glad to see the back and forth here still be mostly civilized...thanks for reading too

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Arguing from authority is fun and stimulating

    by evergreen

    [Rotten Tomatoes] Episode I - The Phantom Menace: 57% Prometheus: 74%

  • Honestly. To bitch about that you must have the most boring fucking inexperienced life where you've never had to react to something dangerous under pressure.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    Huh, yes they had. It was not exactly a subtle thing happening and they had a clear view of the disaster. again, bad writing in a desperat atempt to kll of the only interesting human character in the damn movie. Shaw should had been the one to bough it, not Vickers.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Orlando Bloom really did ruin KOH

    by evergreen

    It's a damn shame. Ed Norton acted circles around him behind a mask.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    @Mr darth macchio

    by albert comin

    I definatly don't have the same sun-shiny view on this movie as you do, but i appreciate the cordiality as well. In the end, we are all people who want the best from our movies, and some found it to be easily amused by Prometheus while others haven't.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    @Mr overrated

    by albert comin

    That's silly, KOH is not ruined in any way, it's a damn fine movie and very engaging from the first second to the last. I do agree with you that Norton did a fantastic job as the leper king, any scene with him was winner.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    The movie that out me most to sleep was "Super 8"

    by albert comin

    The first (and only) time i saw it, i did it in 6 seperate stretches, as i constantly fell asleep when watching it. Took me two days to finally watch the whole damn thing. I never before saw something that dull... and stupid.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    out" means "put

    by albert comin

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    scirocco - I disagree

    by evergreen

    Orlando Bloom is a fine supporting actor, I just don't think he has the presence and depth for a historical drama leading man. In any case, I wish someone would make a big budget movie about Saladin.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Budget does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    On the subject of budget... is anyone else incredibly impressed by how awesome PROMETHEUS looks on screen at a budget of just 130 million. Contrast it with GREEN LANTERN at 200 million.. and wow. Ridley Scott and his crew really do make every dollar show on screen. In terms of visuals and the cinematography it does a mans job.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    oh and scirocco and the other haters, pls dont bother responding with a comment that brushes aside the beauty of the film as if its nothing before making a comment about Vickers running in a straight line or whatever else... its tedious now. It's a film with many admirers - deal with it and stop pointlessly pissing all over something that others have enjoyed.

  • And I wanted to love it..especially after the first big reveal of the monster which I thought was superb. Once the monster ran off with the little girl, the movie just went in a very weird and, to me, pointless direction. The hunting scenes worked a little bit as it featured the monster but that scene where the whole family is just blubbering in tears...apparently played for comedic effect, just lost me completely. I'll have to give it another try at some point... And this is one why I'd never make a good critic...put a redhaired hottie in the film and im biased. put a great creature design in the film and im biased. put a great idea/concept in the film and im biased. but i can recognize bad execution when i see it i think and i can, i hope, recognize "between the lines brilliance" and I think that if we had a "Phantom Menace" re-edit of Prometheus, putting some of those cut scenes back in and removing some of the wtf scenes and the scenes that stretch character plausibility, it would actually be a very tight and very good thriller. i'd wager most of you not liking it here actually would like it then. prometheus's issues to me, fundamentally: it's an action movie that wants to be a slow-build suspense/betrayal film but maybe also wants to be a horror film as well all the while poking some science/philosophical notions on the origin of life on earth...its too fast to be suspenseful, but too drawn out to be action...it's too vague to be philosophical but too ambitious to be simplistic. but im still enjoying it either way... one thing i will say was highly distracting on prometheus...the soundtrack. i liked the music itself but the placement of themes was downright bizarre. you don't play happy music when something ominous is happening and you don't play ominous music when nothing is happening unless it's a lead in for something about to happen - it creates a dissonance in the viewer's perceptions that's either cheating (like cheap jump scares) or poorly timed on the filmmaker's part. when david was pulling out the urn...that's death incarnate...it should not feature the opening credits 'happy' theme. to me, it took away from the scene's impact and was a terrible and easily avoidable mistake by the sound editor. not sure what the thinking was there.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Repetition

    by Keith

    'If any of you actually watched the furious gods doc and listened to any of Scotts audio commentaries you will know he doesnt like repeating himself. ' Yes. He did *good* science fiction movies early on in his career, and doesn't want to repeat that.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    The extended KOH is definitely the way to go.

    by FluffyUnbound

    To me in the theatrical cut the most glaring problem is that Bloom is in Jerusalem for what seems like ten minutes and people are maneuvering to get him to try to take over as the next king. Everything just hangs together SO MUCH BETTER in that movie with the real cut.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by evergreen

    Since you're the arbiter of *good* science fiction films, name five of them in the past 10 years that are better than Prometheus. Just curious.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    @Mr overrated

    by albert comin

    But there is a big budget epic movie about Saladin. The arabs did it in the 60s. I think it's a egypcian production (ironically, Saladin was not an arab but a kurd). Aparently it's quite epic and quite good, and it has the Battle of Hattin in it.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    Don't be silly, even the detractors of Prometheus admire the movie's visuals. There is nothing to criticise about the movie in that regard. It's the thing that has been universaly admired and praised by everybody. Story, pacing and characterization, another matter. You fans should try to actually understand what the detractors are talking about, it would avoid needless repetition like this one above. Can you do that for me, please?

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    @Mr darth macchio

    by albert comin

    Thanks for your post, you said some quite interesting things i agree with. About he soundtrack, yeah, i also think it's all a bit off. It's funny, but the score seems to work better OUT of the movie. In the movie and it plays very weird, almost dissonant, divorced from what's happening. I think it's an action movie score for a movie that should be tention and horror. I never liekd a score by Marc Streitenfeld, and i fucking hate Harry Gregson-Williams, so there's that. You are right in that the movie never seems to define itself if it wants to be an action movie or a moody horror movie, it looks it tried to be both and fails miserably, as it would wont to do. I once said that maybe it's possible to improve Prometheus... into a banal unimpressive forgetable mundane one. But never to a good one. Not possible. I admit there are intriguing possibilities that could had been made with the movie. Sadly, those idea came from the guy who made the ending of Lost. Prometheus was born defficient and there's no surgery that can make it good. I wish this had been a good movie, how i wish so. Alas!

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    @Mr overrated

    by albert comin

    It's easy to name SF movies better then Prometheus: it's all those that are not called Transformers, Terminator Salvation, Super 8 and Star Trek.

  • Oct. 12, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    scirocco - Al Nasser Salah Ad-Din, 1963

    by evergreen

    The full movie is on YT. It says on the wiki that Youssef Chahine launched the career of Omar Sharif. Thanks for the heads up.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    darth macchio -- space helmets and alien air

    by lv_426

    *taking off your helmet in breathable air. bad bad bad science any way you slice it. there's breathable air all over this planet - there's also fully breathable air right in the midst of an air-bound virus infection that could mortally infect you in seconds...but this guy takes off his helmet? it would have worked if no one else took off theirs and left holloway to risk his own life.* I would have loved to have seen David leave his helmet on to sort of mock how fucking stupid Holloway, Shaw, and the others were in taking off theirs. It would have been a nice little character moment that would reflect Holloway taunting David early about wearing a spacesuit. It would also show Holloway and Shaw being faithful in their theory of the engineers as benevolent gods, which would contrast with David not buying all this shit until the whole shebang can be analyzed (*that's why they call it a thesis*).

  • cuz that's what this movie is. And only tards who love Lost because they can't figure it out are the ones who love this film too (because they can't "figure it out".)

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Helmet does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Taking off the helmets... (LV these comments are not aimed at you but rather those who moronic nitpickers who claim such moments as 'evidence' for their nerd rage). 1/ A conversation takes place before the helmet's removed which explains that eqpt readings show the air is breathable. Several characters concur. 2/ When Holloway goes to take off his helmet, all team mates say No! They agree with the audience that what he is doing seems stupid and reckless. 3/ Showing the actors face during a long key sequence is a movie device.. allowing the actors to act and allowing the audience to see who is who. 4/ Star Trek does it ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Every single fucking episode, alien planet no helmet. Go and fucking piss all over that instead.. or piss on FLASH GORDON... or piss on Luke arriving on Dagobah... or better still just piss off!

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 4 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    scirocco, oh - you do admire something about PROMETHEUS? You admire the visuals? Okay, well youve made a couple hundred negative posts... I challenge you to make just one positive one. Make a nice post about why you admire the visuals and cinematography - wax lyrical about the beauty and heres the rule you're not allowed to follow it up with a negative. Instead of being inspired to write by your hate, take inspiration from your love. Write from a good place inside yourself. Youre a movie lover not a movie hater, right? Can you do that for me, please? xxx I love you man - you can do this.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    @Mr overrated

    by albert comin

    That's the one. I have seen some clips from that movie, some frome hte battle of hattin sequence, and wow, it really is an epic.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    overrated - sure thing

    by Keith

    I'll give you ten which are easily better than Prometheus: Primer, The Prestige, Moon, District 9, Serenity, Iron Man, Wall-E, Eternal Sunshine, Children of Men, Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Shit, even Avatar is better - at least it's a competent (if hackneyed) script. Fuck, I even prefer Revenge of the Sith. And I'm amazed to be typing that - one of George Lucas's Star Wars prequels was less shit than Ridley Scott's godawful prequel to Alien.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:20 a.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    The problemhere, my friend, is that the movie has far more negtive then positives. The vsuals of the movie are admirable, thew production desgn is so good i believe i'm watcing the interior of a real spaceship and not just a set. In Aien, Scott made the spaceship feel believable beuse it had that blue collar space truck/industrial refinary look to it. In Prometheus he mannaged to pull a similia trick with a ship that looks sleep and brand new. It's to be admired for sure. Those are all good things. But those are islands of a few qualities surrounded by a sea of idioticy. I'm notgoing to call out the crap because there's some good stuff. You know anoher thing that's so infuritig about the movie? Everytime the movie has a chance to smart up, it saboutages itself into stupidity. You want me to clarify? I give you a few examples, all from memory: First: When Holloway and Sha are discussing their ideas about the Engeneer with David, it's lear the robot views them with some skepticism, nd then the couple presses their view,David replies "that's why it's a thesis". Basically the robot is telling them off that all their beliefs, which are just that, are not supported in no real empirical evidence, it's an elaborate guess work. I's not bad, it could had been better is indelof could actualy understand correct scientific terminlogy. What he calls thesis is not so, it's called an hypothesis. A thesis is a part ofa theory that calls back to the inicial hypothesis that as used asthe basis for a research. While this is not a minor goof, still i appreciate a bit of reaasoable skepticism coming from on of the main leads. An then the movie saboutages it all with it's obsesson to kiss ass to blind faith, of whih Shaw the protagonist is it's poster girl. Second: Yes, it's nice to see some concession to reality when Holloway is about to remove his helmet and the rest gasp in horror. But the way it's played, it looks more like they are having a cautionaryeaction ased mor on fear of bing in an unknown place (not unreasonable) then to the possible implications of such a rash act. The events that follow again proves the idiotic mind of Lindelof. Even if it didn't happened anything wrong imediatly after Holoway removes his helmet, hat is not to say there was still no dangers. Many comented on the still possibility of airborn pathogenis. The second to remove the helmet shoud had been David the robot, he coud had took a breath and analise futher with some more sophistication the air around. I would not be to hard tobeleie tat David would hand mollecular and bio sensors in what should be our nasal cavities. The use it as a moment of tention and have David declare is pathogen free. Instead, the team of idiots just se tha since Holloways didn't die right away, they conclude it's ok to remove their helmets too. This is stupid because any pathogen wouldtake quite a while for it to manifest. The imcnbation period could last for hours, days, weeks, maybe even years like the AIDS virus. All pathogens oerate by first identifying teir host thrugh their DNA sgnature. Since humans would be alies to the local pathogens,they would take a bit longe to manifest as they wod first being adapting to this strange new organism. Sickness could been veen futher delayed. The ship had a biologist and a surgeon, they should be more then aware of this problems. But it doesn't end here. THe air in that planet should be made of diffent isotops then on Earth. Sure, it's the same atomic composition, but the atoms wold be of diferent istops then on Earth This would simply because it's a different solar system, ifferent sun with a different radioactive signature influeincing the local matter. Even if the air on the alien building had the same mixture of breadable gases on Earth, the different iotops woul be enough to poison the humans, even fatal is one would had stronger shock reaction. All this shit could had been in the movie to pump up tension and sell us the notion of any alien place is rife with dangers just for being what it is. That would had been wonderful to explore. 3rd: the visibility of the actor's faces was alway a no-problem. The design of the helmets was deliberatly made so that there was no mistake from the audiences who was who. They are glass bubble helmets, they gave us a much huge advantage then from the helmets from Alien who, despite having a big frontal glass, it had far more covered areas, and yet we know who was who. So the complain that the removal of helmets was for the benefit of audiences is just another moment where the filmmakers are assuming we are complete retards. Well, fuck you very much as far i'm concened, mr filmmakers.This is why i miss the movies of the 70s, when such assuptions were alien and audiences's intelligence was much respected. Well, i said so much already and yet there is so much yet to be said. The point i'm trying to make is that for whatever thing the movie might do rght, there will be a casade of dumb idiotiy right in it's heels saboutaging it all. And what's worst, the movie is so obsessely focused on the idiotic shit and not the good. Misguided is being charitable to describe this movie.

  • it doesn't impair my intellect but sure does my writing abiliy. which is not great to begin with.

  • All that stupid stuff about nobody but David and Vickers the surgeon and a few mercs not knowing that Weyland was travelng with them. The whole secrecy of it is just dumb. And in the end serves the story no helpful porpose at all. Everybody in the ship should had know that Weyland is there, it would help give the characters more focus on their job because he boss is there. At least it would justify Fifeld attitude of "i'm here for the money". With Weyand there and everybody knowing, mens everybody would know the rason for their mission would be to find the sourse of extended life. This could had been the basis for a lot of deep questions and discussions between the characters, and each offerig heir ownview on the subject. To have their own sleeping king with them, to have ther own fisher king with them, so much cool oportunities, all wasted because dumb ass Lindelof wanted to pull a shallow suprise twist that serves the story no fucking purpose at all! Eveybody should had known that a dyng Weyland is also with them on the ship, it would then also give them a sense of urgency on their mission. And that urgency could be a justfiable excuse for many of the screw up made in the story, because everything that is done in a hurry is prone to mistakes. The scientists actions ould had been compromised ecause science needs pacient work and investigation to producepsitive results but the characters would be on the clock and thus, many oportunities to come to the wrong conclusions and fuck up procedures. Basically, it would make at least some sense. And sense is something that complely absent in this movie.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    -"one of George Lucas's Star Wars prequels was less shit than Ridley Scott's godawful prequel to Alien."- I completly understand your bewilderment. Who would ever though that? Six months ago i certainly wouldn't, and i would had called anybody an asshole for merely thinking it.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST

    cobra-kai

    by DocPazuzu

    Are you seriously suggesting that Flash Gordon, Star Trek and Star Wars have the same scientific pretensions that Prometheus has? That's feeble. Really feeble.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:14 a.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai, another thing

    by albert comin

    I'm going to coment on point 3 and 4 on your helmet post above. About point 3, I resent the implications of the decision the filmmakers made. The helmets the characters are using are bubble glass helmets, they already allow to fuly see who is who inside the spacesuits. There would be no difficulty for anybody who would had enough inteligence to know the difference between the wheels and the driving wheel of a car. The impliation who that decision to take off the helmet, and by that the pratical filmmaking decision, is the studios and filmmakers assuming the audience are complete retards. I find that beyond insulting and nobody from the paying public hould even give that any excusing. No even Armageddon went that far!! About point 4, Star Terk is set 2 or 3 centuries in the future and not just the 60 yeas of Prometheus. In ST we are consatntly reminded they have scanners that can detect microbiological lifeforms everywhere onalanet surace, and can even detect lifefors that dwell underground. So it's safe to assume that whenever anybody from the Enterprise when they beam down they are alreadty quite aware if they going to a truly hospitable human friendly enviroment. Meawhile, in Prometheus they can't even detect a big ass artificial structure on the surface unless it's in sight distance, while we today can photograph an individual person from orbit (some even clam we can do individua lfacial identification from orbit). I guess sensorial technology will regressed quite a lot in the near future. The problem with Prometheus is that every good thing one tries to make about it or defend will always find a quick and reasonable counter-argument that puts it down. It really very badly put together movie.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Science does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    ..sigh.. Hopefully there are a few people still reading the ass end of this tb that can empathize with my exasperation... In ALIENS they didnt wear helmets on the planet... In ALIEN 3 they didnt wear helmets... but you're holding PROMETHEUS to a higher standard? Apparently its science *fiction* but not science fiction like Star Trek... wtf?! I'd argue that STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE took itself a lot more seriously than PROMETHEUS did... and how many books are there which go into tiny detail to show the designs and blueprints for the STAR WARS vehicles - applying real world science to science fiction. But again the fictional universe of PROMETHEUS is not the same as them and i'd be a feeble fool to suggest it might be - it has to be held to a higher standard?! Even in THE ABYSS when Bud gets down to the very deepest depths the filmmaker finds a clause that allows him to remove his helmet. And yes Scirocco, the camera can see the actors in close ups but when you have a group of seven in long shots then... of course it becomes almost impossible to differentiate between them. If you want to nitpick such things as removing a helmet or running away from a crashing spacecraft in a space line (we can see whats coming at Vickers but she doesnt have fucking wing mirrors does she?) then you will not enjoy PROMETHEUS or any other movie. I hope you enjoy hating everything. Good luck with that. Ultimately I will live with the happy knowledge that im right and you are wrong, but for the sake of diplomacy I think were just going to have to agree to disagree!

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    By *space* line I obviously meant straight line. ps. This is my last word. pps. Victory to The Dojo.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    cobra-kai...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...you fail again. That's a terrible comparison. LV-426 was terraformed. Presumably, Fury 161 was either terraformed or had been explored and analysed enough so that human techs knew the biosphere was safe. The planet in Prometheus was, as far as the crew knew, an alien world. You're right about one thing, though: science definitely does not exist in your dojo.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    as for the Abyss...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...Bud's oxygenized breathing fluid wasn't limitless, was it? "This was a one-way trip" he typed to his ex wife as he lay expiring on the ocean floor. He had nothing to lose by taking off his helmet since he had resigned himself to dying. You're actually comparing that to the graduates of Camp Crystal Lake Science Academy in Prometheus? Please.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Sensors

    by Keith

    ' I guess sensorial technology will regressed quite a lot in the near future.' To be fair, this is a flaw of Alien and Aliens as well. I suppose the Nostromo might not have had time to do a survey of LV-426 (although really it ought to have; wouldn't have taken long) before landing, but the company clearly WOULD have before starting to terraform the planet. There's no reason they shouldn't have seen the big-ass alien vessel resting on the surface.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    And, yes, in The Abyss...

    by Keith

    ....Brigman is on almost 0% oxygen when he takes his helmet off, and he does so specifically when the aliens have used their tech to open up what seems to be a wide air pocket for him. I'm pretty sure that under the circumstances I would have done the same exact thing.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    doc, you need to watch PROMETHEUS again... The planet is an alien world but the breathable atmosphere is within the Engineers facility. Before Holloway takes off his helmet the Scottish scientist even says 'its terraformed' - just the same reasoning and logic of the other ALIEN films. But again, you choose to hold PROMETHEUS to a different standard?

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Differentiating

    by Keith

    'the camera can see the actors in close ups but when you have a group of seven in long shots then... of course it becomes almost impossible to differentiate between them' Well, in Alien the three away team members have subtly different-coloured environment suits, which helps a little. But there are plenty of other techniques used. You hear an individual's voice while that character is more animated (gesticulating etc). At times they are separated spatially. And, y'know, most of important of all, it really doesn't MATTER that much if we happen to know who's who. We already know these three characters; they're easily distinguishable from their voices. The film has taken time beforehand letting us get to know them in the build-up to the landing, and indeed the landing itself. Prometheus, in its misguided rush to get us to the alien structure, has no such luxury, as we have a jumble of characters we don't really know by the time they're wandering around with their helmets on. Not a good idea.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    the camera can see the actors in close ups but when you have a group of seven in long shots then... of course it becomes almost impossible to differentiate between them.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    cobra-kai

    by DocPazuzu

    It isn't the oxygen level that's in debate. It's the threat of microbes and other microscopic things that could be harmful. They only tested the chemical compound of the air, not what may or may not have resided within it. That's why there was at least an initial rumbling of alarm among the crew when that moron took off his helmet. The helmet thing is just one item on a long list of idiotic behavior ("Oh, I seem to have a space worm crawling out of my eyeball. I think I'll have sex instead of seeing the ship's doctor.") which completely pulls a discerning viewer right out of the film. It's simply impossible to rationalize how fundamentally cretinous this supposed elite bunch of scientists behaves in this movie. Just stay down, dude.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    I don't see any glarant sensor technology use in Alien. Everything is quite sensible. The sjip picks up the signal still a bit far away from the system and deviates the trajectory to get there. Once in the vicinity, it wakes up the crew. When the Nostormo lands, it does at a walking distance to the derelic, thus guys mannaged to track to the signal to a pretty close distance since they are far away from it (they start orbiting procedures guided by the signal far enough we can see the gas giant where the moon they will land in it's entirely). The only flaw you might find in Alien is why didn't they made a region radar mapping while in descent. Well, there is actually one, we even get to se a computer graphic display (a crude 70s computer animation, or pseudo-computer animation). Why the derelic still remained invisible to them until they finally had it on visual range is not adressed, however, maybe the weather prevented it, but then again that's why there is radar mapping. But at least it's one problem, instead of the many that Prometheus have in that regard. The thing is, there is no justification whatsoever why the crew of Prometheus could had not find the alien structure right from orbit, i mean, it even had clear skys at the landing sight so visibility from space would had been good and unobstructed by storms or clouds or whatever. And even if so, or it it was on nighttime, that's where RADAR MAPPING is for, something we do constantly TODAY. Radar mapping the thing that make us know how the bottom of the oceans look like, for christ's sakes!! And we can do that today! You might ask why would that be important to be in the movie. And the answer is that would be the difference between a good smart movie and one that is not. God is in the details, as the saying goes. A movie that feels smart is good, but a movie is not smart just because the screenwriter shoves unnecessary themes of faith (which he barely understands) into a story that needs none of that shit. A movie is smart when the details are right and makes you realise the people who made the movie bothered to do research, such efforts count and makes the movie more enjoyable because it makes the filmmakers look they actually cared.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Cobra--kai

    by allouttabubblegum

    Dont waste your time mate. These guys are just haters nothing more nothing less. Its always the same with nerd rage. They fail to see whatever "flaws of logic" they cling on to just to nitpick,piss and moan can be said for many other films that they hold so dear and precious. As you can see they are the only ones left on the TB...still pissing and moaning. Maybe caps will work? ITS A FUCKING SCI FI FILM! FICTION! FANTASY! MADE UP!!! DISPOSABLE ENTERTAINMENT!!! sad fuckers.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *It isn't the oxygen level that's in debate. It's the threat of microbes and other microscopic things that could be harmful. They only tested the chemical compound of the air, not what may or may not have resided within it.* Cmon Doc! You're better than this. Can we not assume that the super-evolved sci-fi future tech which says the air is safe means *the air is safe*. Clean. Bug free. Da de da. Can I ask, which do you have more of a problem with from a logic perspective. The fact the helmet was taken off in PROMETHEUS or the fact that the LV_426 colonists built their base within driving distance of a gigantic alien spaceship apparently without noticing it in ALIENS?

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    On a different note

    by allouttabubblegum

    I just finished incorperating the deleted scenes to make my own extended edition. Just made a great film even better! :-p

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    mimirsan, now im really jealous!! Although I have to say that the Dojo is fortunate enough to be equipped with a 55 inch 3D TV. Normally im pretty dismissive of 3D but PROMETHEUS is one film that does look a million dollars in 3D on a home screen - and the deleted scenes are 2D only which is a shame. I'd still really like to watch your extended edition though! Have you somehow reincorporated the TED talk or the David 8 promo into it too?

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Just spotted this Talkback

    by donkey_lasher

    And I'm hoping that this fan edit or a special edition becomes available, because the 3D Blu Ray is awesome.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Cobra

    by allouttabubblegum

    Only the TED talk after the main title and before the introduction to shaw in the cave it works really well. It would be hard to put the David 8 promo into the narrative :-) I added the new character scenes. New engineer scenes (intro/weyland and engineer/Shaw vs engineer) The scene with the Capt and vickers (in shock from killing holloway) is now where it should be inbetween when shaw is put to sleep by david and when she awakes and does the C section. The pace works great where it was a bit too fast before. I replaced the prosthetic fifield attack with the deleted cg one...I like the Cg one more (and im usually a traditional make up fan) I didnt use all deleted stuff. Left out the deleted scenes of the alternate christmas tree scene. Left out the extra small scenes of fifield and his pal theyre not important characters to the story...some nerds seem to think so :-D The alternate bedrrom scene with Holloway being a cunt and the alternate ending of shaw being aggressive and sweary towards david (I agree with Scott about having Shaws character pure) I also cut off the deacon alien baby thing at the original ending. It always seemed tagged on to me. It ends with shaw flying off in the ship.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Mimirsan

    by donkey_lasher

    The Fifield and Pal scenes I thought were better IN the film, as it opens up the possibility that they were both stoned when the Snake appeared.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    cobra-kai

    by DocPazuzu

    You can't have it both ways. If the future techies say the air is safe, then no one would have balked at that daft cunt's removal of his helmet. The fact is, the future techies WERE NOT sure of the safety of the air. As for LV-426, the colonists didn't plot and land their own ships. They were strictly a Weyland-Yutani project. The air may have been breathable, but the climate was not suitable for long-range picnic outings. Furthermore, it's never stated how long the planet had been "breathable." Terraforming takes quite a long time and it's not unthinkable that it was only in recent years that the air actually became safe outside. Add to that the fact that the terrain was very difficult and that the colonists didn't have any aircraft, and you have reasonable doubt as to why the derelict hadn't been found before. If you recall, the colonist family who "found" the derelict were actually sent to those coordinates by Burke. How about some of the other stuff? Like the eye worm sex conundrum? Or Holloway sitting there all blasé, swigging vodka from the bottle like a boss, while his girlfriend is REANIMATING A FUCKING ALIEN HEAD (never mind how ludicrous that entire idea is)? Look, Prometheus is gorgeous to look at, and yes, I did order the Blu-ray (because I'm an e-hoarding nerd completist), but the movie really is dreadful. Everyone I know in the real world, both Alien fans, non Alien fans, and people who have never seen an Alien movie, fucking HATED it. It's shit, cobra-kai. Shit.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Mine was sent!!!!!

    by gusw666

    I want it, I need it, I LOVE IT!!! I need to have that prop to live!!!!!

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    lord have mercy...

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Science fiction is just disposable entertainment, so anything goes. A good thing Kubrick didn't think so, or we'd never have got 2001. You know you're on to a winner when you have to come up with arguments like these. Yes, that was sarcasm.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Derelict in Aliens

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Is shown to be canted on its side and half submerged in a recent lava flow. Its acoustical beacon no longer broadcasts. So it's clear why it wasn't discovered until Burke sent the colonists out there with the coordinates. Randomly stumbling upon such a ship on a hostile, storm-ridden and uncharted planetoid, sheltered by gigantic and obscuring rocks and ridges and with poor visibility, would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Some clarification - again I repeat, Doc you need to watch this film again as you have your facts muddled. -The air is safe. This point is repeated when David leads Weyland into the ship near the end. David informs Weyland that it is safe for him to remove his helmet. Shaw queries this - she says we still dont know how Holloway got infected, it could have been in the air. David informs her *that the air is perfectly safe*. (its at this point that Shaw realizes that David was responsible for infecting her boyfriend). This is enough for the audience. The point is repeated. THE AIR IS PERFECTLY SAFE. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury this case is closed. -The eye worm sex. Again a non issue. Pls watch the film again. They have sex. The next morning Holloway looks in the mirror and sees the eye worm. The eye worm moment happens AFTER sex. You need to pay more attention to the film before falsely criticizing. -Holloway swigging from the bottle in surly mood. Yep. This is a flaw in the theatrical cut. If you watch the deleted scenes, another scene would have preceded this where Shaw raises a toast to the mission but Holloway expresses his anger and disappointment - he went all this way and he has only found another dead relic, another tomb. This disappointed Holloway scene would have led into the surly chap we see at the autopsy. -Milburn petting the cobra alien. Another deleted scene prior to this shows Milburn *discovering* the worms on the floor. He is drunk with excitement and gets a pat on the back from the rest of the team for his amazing discovery which they seal in a specimen jar. This giddiness informs the later moment where he sees the cobra alien and hopes to repeat that success. Yes it is true that the Blu Ray gives a more complete picture of PROMETHEUS... but it is also true that many of the original complaints are petty nitpicks made by people who didnt pay proper attention to what is shown and said.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Doc, I am really pleased you ordered the blu ray and will watch it again with fresh eyes. Try not to feel the pain from what the film *could* have been and allow yourself to enjoy it for what it is. The trick good doctor... is not minding that it hurts.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST

    cobra-kai

    by DocPazuzu

    This is getting absurd. They may have known by the end of the movie that the air was safe, but when Holloway took off his helmet, some people were alarmed by this. Because they DIDN'T know at this time that the air was safe. Okay, so does it make more sense that he didn't see the ship's doctor because he had sex before seeing the worm in his eyeball? Wow, Holloway is disappointed that they found a "tomb", never mind that they've found proof positive of an alien civilization and that the aliens aren't so dead that his girlfriend can't reanimate one of their heads. Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    mimirsan, it sounds like you are now the proud owner of the definitive version of PROMETHEUS! The rest of us mortals are just going to have to wait till the sequel is imminent, when Fox will probably release the extended edition to bolster fan interest. Damn!

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Giant Head

    by Andrew Ryan

    I have read all 457 posts and no mention of why an alien race would place a giant sculpture of their own head in a room with a bunch of leaky bioweapon goo. Makes no sense. I suppose it was supposed to create an interesting moment when the humans arrive and discover their resemblance to the engineers. I'll give it another shot on Blu-Ray, but I prefer the movie that was playing in my head after I saw the first trailer. "We were so wrong" . . . proved to be quite prophetic for those us anticipating this film.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Coulson Lives!!!

    by oisin5199

    http://t.co/BnFSfm0U

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Take off your helmet and STFU

    by Rupee88

    I can PROMISE you that the avg IQ of people who hate Prometheus is at least 20 pts higher than the people who love Prometheus. You could probably say the same for many bad movies..Transformers 2 is another one.

  • Oct. 13, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Mimirsan

    by Keith

    Your 'it's just a sci fi film' excuse for lapses of logic is one of the classic fallacies of debate about narrative. Absolute freshman stuff; already dealt with in one of my postings above. Come back when you're more experienced at this kind of thing.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Rupee88

    by allouttabubblegum

    I can PROMISE that the avg of little nerds who hate Prometheus have a hard time enjoying anything in life who dont like anyone to have an opinion from their own than the the people who love Prometheus. You can probably say the same for many great movies.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 1 a.m. CST

    Oooooh mrdarcy

    by allouttabubblegum

    It IS just a Scifi film. The lapses in logic in Prometheus is only nitpickled by you because you fail to make the distinction between reality and fantasy. Prometheus is a documentary in your world mate. I watched Raiders on Blu last night...LOADS of lapses in logic...Fuck me though if its not a classic? Double standards

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Weyland does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    I can actually see why the TED talk would work as an actual part of the movie in an extended cut. I think Weyland was the character that got most shafted in terms of having his scenes deleted. With the TED talk at the opening (following the waterfall dna sequence) and then Weylands extended conversation with the engineer at the end it provides a real full circle to the theme of hubris and mankind becoming gods. Weylands longer conversation with Vickers is also more meaningful, and there is rumored to be a whole extra scene of Weyland on a yacht being visited by David which is still nowhere to be seen - so yep, I feel the theatrical cut was not kind to Guy Pearce.

  • Instead of adding to te Alien mythology it dragged it further down the shitter than that no talent fuck Anderson. The script was deeply unoriginal and piss poor. It had badly written characters, Zacharria Sitchin-esque ancient alien babble, awful occult symbology, just purile nonsense written with crayons by children. Shame on you Ridley you crazy old fuck. Shame on you for adding to the shit fest that has become the Alien Universe.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    This film was effectively like a Theosophy infomercial

    by papabendi

    Man becoming gods indeed.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST

    @Mr Mimirsan

    by albert comin

    So you think SF is just a disposable genre where any badly thought plotting is justified because of it's fantastical nature? You are showing quite a lot despise for the genre. You sound like one of those self-hating SF fans, like those who claim to enjoy SF but are secretly ashamed of it, who think it's a lowly genre just by it's own nature, not worthy of being ruled by high standards storytelling. As a fan of SF all my life, i have a lot of problem with that attitude. SF is as dignified as any other genre there is.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    I looks tome you are wasting yourself in a defense of Prometheusk, when there's real good movies which would merit your dedication. But not Prometheus. I sometimes wonder if you are just punk'ing with us, that this is all an elaborate joke by you at our expenses. If so, it's a masterpiece. The best thing for you fans of Prometheus is that this movie son gets forgotten, because the only way this one gets to be a classic is to be the 2012's The Swarm. Better the movie fades away from collective memory that only you the few afficionados still remember. I hope that's how it goes, for your sakes. Let me also say that it looks to me you really nore not paying clse attentio to what docpazuzu is telling you. He has made very good arguments to the fallability of your arguments. You even have mixed up two moments in the movie to justify the silliness of the way the movie have the characters remove their helmets the first time they visit the alien structure. The point was always about the first way it happened, which is the pivotal moment in the story. You use a latter moment to justify the first, whch makes no sense. Really read with attention what Docpazuzu is writing. He really sounds like a good friend who's trying his damnest to avoid a good friend of his to make a fool of himself. I think you should heed his words more carefully. You have in him a real pal.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    asimov/scirocco

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    How appropriate that you renamed yourself after a bunch of hot air from the east.. Way more appropriate than naming yourself after a fucking genius like Isaac Asimov though, for Crom's sake. That man most definitely never deserved to have himself associated with your endlessly flowing river of self-congratulatory bullshit. Dude's probably spinning in his grave like a fucking top... In other words. Shut the fuck up. Srsly.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST

    @Mr this_is_the_zodiac_speaking

    by albert comin

    Are you, like, a crazy person?

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Not half as crazy as you are asi/rocco

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    if you actually think it's not abundantly obvious who you are. Stop fronting and own up to it. Then kindly shut the fuck up. Or just go back and get spanked by Vern some more. That shit is always hilarious.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    @Mr this_is_the_zodiac_speaking

    by albert comin

    You think i'm going to take seriously the words said by someone who chosed as nick the words of a fucked up serial killer? And why should i go talk to the dead comedian who made the Ernest movies? And the others are the crazy? You're crazy! This is the last time i'll bother to check your posts, you are way too far gone. Go seek therapy, like, now!

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST

    @mrs scirocco

    by allouttabubblegum

    Your so wrong your so very wrong Ive got no problem loving sci fi (most of my movie collection is fantasy/scifi collection) but when I watch/read any form of FICTION I tend to allow a bit of suspention of belief. And the complaints by most of you butthurt lot about what happens in Prometheus is just over the top nitpicks and lack of following what is going on in the film. Nerdbots like yourself just get yourself all pent up over something so minor about actions by fictional characters in a fictional universe. But of course its alright for some fantasy films to have leaps of logic but not others. Look sweetheart..nobody is gonna hate on Prometheus just because you and other baboons do. You dont like it. Fair enough. I accept that. Jumping on those who do like the film come on here to discuss about it just makes you the immature one. Youre on a pointless crusade. It seems you really cant live with that bit of fact that others dont share your opinion. Maybe suicide is the answer?

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    The crazy you say?

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    You're telling someone else to seek therapy after going on an obsessive three-year mission to post thousands of iterations of the same goddamn complaints about JJ Abrams in any and every thread on this site and on Vern's? Oh and you know damn well who he is you pathetic little coward. What about the those convictions you always blather on about? Lose your nerve?

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    @Cobra--kai

    by allouttabubblegum

    Yeah spot on :-) The inclusion of the TED speech by weyland helps establish his motivations. Its a nice bookend when he pays the price for his arrogance.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    mimirsan, love Weyland's and David's last words too... *There's nothing...* *I know. Have a good journey Mr Weyland.*

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Mimirsan

    by Keith

    'The lapses in logic in Prometheus is only nitpickled by you because you fail to make the distinction between reality and fantasy.' Read my post above. I don't know whether you missed it, declined to address it or just didn't understand it. Either way, I'll repost it for you here: 'But even fantasy stories require a certain level of plausibility. Sure, you can assert a bunch of wacky rules for your narrative universe that you take aboard as unexamined premises. Superman can fly. The Force is real. Doc Brown can build a time machine. Fine. But after that, you still need to build a plot that sits within the constraints of well-constructed fiction: the characters' actions need to be constrained by their personality type, what they know, common sense, their level of intelligence, and the actions that take place in the world can't break the laws of logic. Just because Star Wars is a fantasy doesn't mean that Han Solo would decide his best strategy to escape from the Death Star would be to take on and kill every single trooper on board, with a stick. Solo is a cynical, smart, self-interested guy in a tight spot. If you assert that he behaves like a foolhardy, heroic buffoon, you just killed the plausibility of your movie. Similarly, just because the movie features telekinesis doesn't mean we'd accept that Luke could build his own spaceship in an hour to escape from Tatooine. ('Hey, it's a fantasy...why not?')' You haven't addressed this huge flaw in your own reasoning. You ought to do so.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    It's alright for some fantasy films to have leaps of logic...

    by Keith

    'But of course its alright for some fantasy films to have leaps of logic but not others.' The sheer quantity in Prometheus overwhelms. More than anything, the characters don't behave in anything approaching a plausible manner. They're idiots. It's a crime of sorts to assert that event X happens even if it seems inconsistent with the narrative world just to move the plot forward. But it's a much more serious crime to have characters in a narrative whose decision-making is inconsistent and/or makes no sense, just to move the plot forward. Prometheus does this in spades. I'm just amazed that any rational human would watch Prometheus and not want to yell at the characters, "Wait..WHAT? Why are you doing THAT???" roughly once every four minutes. Maybe you've been brought up in a strange environment ruled by randomness where you've learned a whole slew of different connections between action and likely effect.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Keith

    'Look sweetheart..nobody is gonna hate on Prometheus just because you and other baboons do.' Most of my friends and colleagues seem to have hated it. I haven't conducted a global survey, but the anecdotal evidence is that many people just lost patience with the illogic of the film. Of course, crowds can be wrong (just look at T2, for example, although I can understand why people not intimately familiar with the original would like that film). But I wouldn't try to pretend that the majority are on your side here. I don't 'hate on' Prometheus, btw. I just thought it was a poor piece of cinema.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Zodiac

    by Keith

    'Dude's probably spinning in his grave like a fucking top' Doubt it. He was cremated.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    @Mr mimirsan

    by albert comin

    If you stoped with the personal attacks and such lowly tactics then i could give your opinions some considerate though. Can you stop with that shit and engage in a real conversation where the topic is opinions and not personal attacks? Can you do that? It's stuff like that that hurts all your atempts at defending the movie. And you do put SF in a low position, you use the "it's fantasy" to excuse soddy writing and unbelievable plotting. And it's because of allowing a bit of suspention of disbelief that the movie Prometheus doesn't work, because it demands TOTAL suspention. That i give to no movie, because a movie that needs that to worrk is a bad movie and the filmmakers did a bad job, pure and simple. And it's the filmmakers job to create suspention of disbelief on us, not ours to give them for free.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    @Mr this_is_the_zodiac_speaking

    by albert comin

    What are you talking about? You know, forget it, i give up even trying to understand your mad ramblings. You are suffering from a very serious disconect. Really, seek therapy. Now! Goodbye, goodnight and fuck off.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    This is also the thing it might upset me the most about Prometheus, that the charactrer's actions don't make any sense even in-universe. It's all just characters doing stupid weird stuff just so there is another action or horror moment. The one that really irritates me the most is Holloway witholding information that he might be infected to the rest of the crew. It's beyond reckless, it's completly stupid and unexcusable. nd all just so there can be a moment where hae starts changing and has to be burned by flame-thrower. Wouldn't had that be more in character if he had reported his illness so he could be put in isolation and prevent the rest of the crew to be exposes to god knows what dangerous pathoge? How can anybody, even a fan of the movie, excuse that chain of events or the character's actions? And that's just one of many such things. Watching the movie one gets the ida the scrip't was an afterthough that they cobbled together the night before the first day of shooting began. It's as if they wrote a script around the sets and special effets.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    scirocco

    by STICKY WHITE

    I'm with zodiac on this one. It really is super obvious that you're asimov. You both spell shit exactly the same (all fucked up), and make the same exact grammatical errors with your tenses and whatnot ("this movie is retard"). Why deny it?

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    misterdarcy

    by allouttabubblegum

    If I was watching Prometheus shouting "wait..WHAT? Why are you doing THAT???" then I would do that with every film that comes along. But then I dont have my head up my own arse. Theres your reasoning. Its very very simple. *gets crayons out* Aside from the destruction/creation theme. Prometheus basic structure is ,like Alien, a B-movie in a shiny veneer. A sci fi pulp film like 50s sci fi. Prometheus follows that tradition by having characters do stupid things and they die as a consequence. Fifield & Millburn getting lost +getting stoned+ petting hammerpede=death Holloway being a shit to david=death Weylands arrogance thinking he is a God=Death Capt and his crew=Death by sacrifice. Maybe following Shaws advice was stupid but they all knew the shit hit the fan from the Video feeds. Vickers failure to risk assess=death (actually if you paid attention to the scene they actually run in various angles avoiding falling debrise from the Prometheus its a chaotic scene...Shaw escapes as she falls over giving her a moment to think) The only two who dont do stupid things are David and Shaw (as they are the main protagonists) and as a result they survive. They are forced to depend on each other. So really...really really it doesnt matter what the others do..there purpose is to DIE. Maybe you dont like that but its no different than Ripley being the sole survivor. No different than a slasher movie. Any other anal nitpick about the film has been explained in the thread already. You chose to ignore them because you didnt like the film...thats your call. I liked it. End of discussion.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Another thing.

    by allouttabubblegum

    Even Ridley scott is aware Alien was a high budget B sci fi movie. It makes total sense for him to approach Prometheus with a fair bit of B movie cheese in with the "intellectual" bits. I never looked at the Alien franchise as a deep and meaningful bit of sci fi.

  • I never looked at the Alien franchise as a deep and meaningful bit of sci fi.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    @Mr sticky white

    by albert comin

    I suffer from a mild case of aphasia which mostly manifests in writing (agraphia). If you do not know what it is, lucky you. It cames mostly as changing the order of the letters in a word or using the wrong letter when another would be the correct. The condition can be lessened by stimulation like regular writing. I love to talk about movies, so this AICN talkbacks are a great oportunity to both pleasure and light therapy. I have been a lazy writer in the past and proscrinate about my condition (which is quite mild compared to most cases) and i want to remedy that. I'm suceeding half the time, which is frustrating, believe you me. The time you can write correctly i need longer or the text cames muddle almost beyond compreention even by me the writer. I owe nobody here any explanation, but here you have it. I wont charge. Have a good day.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    No, not end of discussion

    by Keith

    Discussion is ended when I say, and not before, youngster. 'Prometheus follows that tradition by having characters do stupid things and they die as a consequence.' Yes, Prometheus follows that tradition - the tradition of low-rent schlockers such as Friday the 13th - but Alien does not. Maybe...wait, this is just an hypothesis, but perhaps you can't discern effectively between dumb and non-dumb actions? (Taps teeth with pencil.)

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    No different than a slasher movie.

    by Keith

    Different FROM, not different THAN. Thanks.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Scirocco

    by Keith

    'suspention of disbelief that the movie Prometheus doesn't work, because it demands TOTAL suspention' Pretty much. Total suspension of logic and reason, no less. If Gandalf casts a spell in a Lord of the Rings movie I don't laugh and shake my head because casting spells is unrealistic. If Gandalf decides the best tactic for the fellowship is to take the ring to Sauron and ask him politely to throw it into Mount Doom, I shake my head, because it's an amazingly stupid fucking strategy, and Gandalf is not supposed to be an idiot. Mimirsan cannot make an effective distinction between suspension of disbelief and suspension of logic. That is why his argument is a failure. The crew of the Prometheus are all baffling morons in ways that the crew of the Nostromo clearly are not. One of the reasons that Alien holds up well is that the characters behave pretty rationally (which is not the same thing as optimally) throughout their ordeal.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Holloway

    by Keith

    'The one that really irritates me the most is Holloway witholding information that he might be infected to the rest of the crew. It's beyond reckless, it's completly stupid and unexcusable.' Yep, that had me scratching my head through the whole middle act. I mean, what purpose does it serve? To Holloway, I mean, not to the plot; the latter is very clear. If you can only get from point A to point B in your story by having characters do things that are irrational, you are a bad writer. Lindelof is a bad writer, so far as I can tell. I mean, unless the problems were all created at the editing stage. (I'd like to read Lindelof's final draft.)

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    Mimirsan cannot make an effective distinction between suspension of disbelief and suspension of logic. That is why his argument is a failure.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    fucking shit, another post cut off!!!! dammit!

    by albert comin

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    Very well said. - "Mimirsan cannot make an effective distinction between suspension of disbelief and suspension of logic. That is why his argument is a failure." - That and the fact he uses strawman fallacious argumentation (my favorite is the - "if you don't like this movie you can't enjoy life" -) and resorts to rude personal insults. It's the tactic of the desperate. Like you said, all the actions of the crew of the Nostromo makes sense given their previous characterization moments. In Prometheus, nobody (excpt Vickers) acts like a recognizable human being, they act more like Warner Brothers cartoons, all it needs is the Road Runner's blip-blip noise to clue us in when we should laugh. I think Prometheus could be improved if you played all the scenes speed up to double speed while playing "Yakety Sax" (The Benny Hill Show theme) on the soundtrack.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Entertainment is never disposable...

    by Darth Macchio

    I enjoyed this movie and look forward to further viewings and any sequels. I also found numerous flaws. I think the "haters" here are getting a little bit of a bad rap even if I don't fully agree with them. Why? Because I think they wanted this movie to be great. Not 'expected', but 'wanted'. Think of the legacy here - even knowing it wasn't a pure sequel - it's still Ridley Scott's long awaited return to a genre that he only helped revolutionize overwhelmingly with 2 distinct and brilliant works of science-fiction. I'd argue easily as much as Lucas or Spielberg. To be a movie geek and NOT have the greatest desire for this to be 'great' would be absurd. So this is not 'hate for hate's sake' but 'frustration with disappointment'. I wasn't disappointed even though it wasn't nearly as good as I hoped. Others found it to be as good as they hoped. And yet others are venting their disappointment in that it was neither satisfying nor as good as they hoped. All well and good. But entertainment is never disposable. It may be good and it may be bad but it comes from the heart of the creator/s (only the most cynical would claim all artistic creation is only for money/fame). It's also the one thing that truly defines our species (another conversation entirely - all this tech is just survival 9.0, its our creativity that make us distinct from any other "intelligence" both on this planet and also, presumably, on any others). We don't need to go all reductionism and nihilist to validate differing opinions. Better to exaggerate different opinions as "hate" or "blind fanboyism" rather than dismiss the entire notion of entertainment's fundamental purpose from the start. Those who find entertainment disposable are far worse off than those who are never satisfied with entertainment. I'm surprised to see such thinking on a geek movie website - it's what the site exists for, what we're here for, and there's not a thing about it that is disposable.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Editing gymnastics can't still justify the weird actions of Holloway.

    by albert comin

    It's just bad writing, as you said, by a bad writer who has an overwhelming desire to be adored for his (non-existing) intelligence. If anything, in suspect the editing was trying to solve a lot of problems from the script, but still failing, the result what we know. One great thing about Alien is that allows for so much interpretation because so much is left as subtext. Lindelof is so obsessed to be seen as a smart guy he left everything in the script as text. Prometheus has pratically no subtext whatsoever, everything is spelled out or acted out, nothing is left to the imagination. And they say the movie is supposed to have mysteries. Yeah, right.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    @Mr darth macchio

    by albert comin

    - "I think the "haters" here are getting a little bit of a bad rap (...) I think they wanted this movie to be great (...) To be a movie geek and NOT have the greatest desire for this to be 'great' would be absurd. So this is not 'hate for hate's sake' but 'frustration with disappointment'." - Finally!! Finally somebody from the other side of the trenches that understands what is going on. You have no idea how thankful i am for your words, darth macchio, and my respect for you is great. Thank you very much. You're wise. - "But entertainment is never disposable (...) Those who find entertainment disposable are far worse off than those who are never satisfied with entertainment. I'm surprised to see such thinking on a geek movie website - it's what the site exists for, what we're here for, and there's not a thing about it that is disposable." - My thinking exactly. Thank you for putting into good writing this feeling. Sometimes i think some geeks are quite self-hating, considering how lowly they put even the movies and genre they profess to like. I can't understand that thinking. Again, thank you.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST

    scirocco - what a bunch of horseshit

    by STICKY WHITE

    You're so full of it. Did you really think that anyone would buy that excuse for your terrible writing? If so, you're even more stupid than I already assumed you were. Cowardly too..zodiac pegged you for exactly what and who you are. It's not just your grammar anyway, it's the way you duck and dodge arguments and how you display the SAME exact focus on trashing JJ or anybody ever associated with his projects. What a weasel you are! Have fun floating down denial you fucking dork. LOL

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    Holloway's actions are better informed by watching the deleted scenes. After the first expedition he gets steaming drunk - the theatrical cut does show him drinking but not quite to the extent that the deleted scenes do. So in the morning when he looks red eyed into the mirror, the tiny worm apparition in his eye could be his hazy vision and eyes playing tricks on him. The illness he feels as they enter the temple second time around explained by the most simple of explanations...an awful hangover!! Upon 2nd viewing a lot of the things you thought were deal breakers turn out to be not such a big deal - scirocco and misterdarcy I hope one day you give the film a second viewing (along with the deleted and extended scenes).

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Yes..the extended/cut scene removal was a BAD idea

    by Darth Macchio

    On more than one occasion were character motivations far better validated given the final edit and the scenes left on the cutting room floor. This is more where I wonder what Ridley Scott, et al, were thinking. After seeing the movie more than once coupled with the cut/extended scenes, it's a far more complete and consistent film on many levels. I don't know how long the movie was or whether, given the production, there was any time-frame imposition from the studio (i'm guessing no). But, to me, at least 85% of the cut scenes were mistakenly removed and absolutely should have been in the film. At least 3 different 'odd choice' character moments are validated from the cut/extended scenes. Probably more.

  • Oct. 14, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I definitely intend to watch the deleted scenes

    by Keith

    I'm intrigued as to how much damage they can undo. I have to say that I'm skeptical at this point.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:15 a.m. CST

    @Mr sticky white

    by albert comin

    I wish it was bullshit, it would make my life so much easier. I'm amused by your cavalier attitude toward other people's afflictions. I hope karma never gets to bite you in the ass.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    @Mr cobra--kai

    by albert comin

    Those informations about the dlected scenres sure is interesting stuff.... as curiosities. but the thing remains, they are delcted scenes, not scenes in the movie. So unless there will be an extended version that will be labeled the definitive version of the movie and suplant the theatrical cut, like how it happened with Kingdom Of Heaven, those delectd scenes are just curios. They are apocrypha at best. They are not in the movie so they shouldn«t be taken into consideration to how the movie is. And even for the sake of argument that Holloway is shown as completly tanked instead of just a light zipper, WHY is he drunk? Does the same reasons remain? If he still drunk because he couldn't fid some living engineers? He, the archeologist who is the first in the whole history of mankind to find direct material evidence that aliens existed? Because if so, it still doesn't matter, he's still portaited as a stupid idiot. He should be drunk in celebration because of sucess, because the found the holy grail of archeology, not because of a stupidly perceived failure that didn't happened. It seems to me no matter how they cut it (pun not intended), Holloway will always come off as an imbecille. Personally, it think you should had chosen a better princess to be a knight in shiny armour. How about Looper? There alreeady are some smart-asses who are claiming that movie is crap, now that's a good movie in need of strong defense like you do. What you say, friend, shall we get them? I carry the shield for you.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Darcy and Scirocco go see the deleted scenes watch the bluray..

    by allouttabubblegum

    ... im betting you will still hate on the film all the same. Ive never known any "passionate" geek to go back on his word when they are convinced something is shit. One can never be wrong. The bluray has been available for some time and the deleted scenes can be seen online. You still havent gave yourself a chance to see them. Probably because you dont want to. Instead of wasting time ranting how about go check them out. Owning the Blu,Seeing the deleted scenes,listening to the audio commentaries and watching the extensive documentary. It clears up a lot of issues you upset lot bring up. Prometheus does suffer with the Scott theatrical cut syndrome. I was underwhelmed by the film when I first watched it but this was because I let the dissapointment cloud over and missed key moments. Watching it a second time the gripes I had were virtually non existent. I had a very similar experience with Kingdom of heaven theatrical cut. I love the Extended edition. Is prometheus perfect? nope. Is it a shit film? nope.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    @Mr misterdarcy

    by albert comin

    You and me, man. I'm always bringing up the example of Kingdom of Heaven, which for me is the poster boy of how an extended cut of a movie can not only improve but even makes a movie feel like a different movie athogether from the theatrical version. But in KOH everybody could easily see that there was good foundations for improvement since the theatrical cut itself was a fairly good movie (Orlando Bloom notwithstanding), flawed but good. It was a movie that needed to breathe. Prometheus is a movie that needs a remake.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:44 a.m. CST

    @Darth

    by allouttabubblegum

    Scotts cut was just under 2 hrs and a half. Apparently he shot it quite tight keeping the budget in check. The studio wanted a 2 hour cut. I do think some of the choices made in editing were the wrong ones for the final theatrical version.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 3:47 a.m. CST

    @MrDarcy

    by allouttabubblegum

    The fact that you correct my grammer in a talkback just convinces me you over analyse everything. Thats your problem right there ;-)

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Cobra--kai

    by allouttabubblegum

    As you can see by scirocco's response he has no interest in giving the film a second chance.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Scirocco aka Sheldon

    by allouttabubblegum

    One great thing about Alien is that allows for so much interpretation because so much is left as subtext.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Oh fuck off Aint it cool news!

    by allouttabubblegum

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST

    @Mr mimirsan

    by albert comin

    By second chance you means to completly change my mind to exactly match yours, to stop believing everything i do about what is a good movie, and to hope the elves can pull such magic trick on me, is that it? Your definition of second chance is quite askewed. Maybe it's for the best i don't give the movie a second chance, because i might find even more bad stuff about it that escaped my first viewing. Let's leave it at that, shall we?

  • I don't go to the movies to have an excuse to eat popcorn, text messages or scream like a teenager girl whenever some a film star shows up or some shit blows up onscreen, i go to the movies to watch the fucking movies. They're my focus and the thing that matters. I don't need second viewings to get movies because I pay attention the first time already. That's because i'm a movie geek so i go to the movies because i love to watch movies, i'm not some uninterested dude who went to the theater as second choice because the pub was closed. I take my film geekdom seriously.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST

    A flashlight?

    by DrGogol

    I know it's a prop, but I'd seriously rather just have the Blu-ray. I don't need more clutter.

  • I finally realised something. Promethues is the alien movie Vincent Ward wanted to make but fox gave us the fincher version instead.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Grammer

    by Keith

    Funny. Anyhow, it's probably not your fault that you say 'different than'. It's become very widespread in North America in the last couple of decades. Just one of my personal bugbears. Really horrible construction. 'Than' is used for rank-order comparatives, i.e. where there is a 'direction' to the comparison. Bigger than, taller than, wider than, smarter than. If you reverse the arguments you get the opposite meaning. (It's a vector, not a scalar.) This is why 'different than' is muddle-headed. If X is different from Y, there is no rank ordering. You could take two pairs, pair X and Y and pair A and B, and say that the first pair is more different than the second. But you can't say that X is different than Y. X is different FROM Y. Here endeth the lesson.

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Aphasia?!

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    That's laughable. Not for people who actually suffer from it, mind you. Just that you would use that particular condition to excuse your terrible writing. Besides, whether you're just an idiot (you are) or have a condition (you don't) doesn't really matter. That's what spell-check is for you fucking tard. Before, your regular excuse was that you are Portuguese, so should therefore be exempt from even so much as attempting to correct your usual jumble of verbiage. Now, it's brain damage. Why didn't you ever use this agraphia excuse when boborci kept asking you if you had any sort of head trauma?

  • Oct. 15, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Good catch on the cremation of Asimov misterdarcy

    by This_is_the_Zodiac_speaking

    Never knew that. My point still stands though. I highly doubt the great man would have appreciated some Portuguese wingnut dragging his good name through the mud. I'm also quite sure the real Asimov could come up with more interesting and insightful critiques of various cultural products than saying "(I want to)fuck Michael Bay up his fucking ass!" or reducing hundreds, if not thousands, of peoples hard work down to their often tenuous connections to the products of JJ Abrams and trashing them over and over again in thread after thread for going on three or four years now. I find it pathetic and unfortunate is all. scirocco is asimovlives. The more he denies it the more clear it becomes. Sticky knows this. Others have noticed as well. I seem to remember turd_is_floating calling him out at some point in another thread IIRC. Apologies, turd, if I have mixed you up with another talkbacker. Also, wondering why you've taken mimirsan to task for his grammar yet have left scirocco alone concerning his? Are you so gullible as to believe that malarkey concerning aphasia? Is it because he also thinks Prometheus was objectively bad like you do? Your arguments are strong on their own quite honestly and associating with scirocco/asimov only diminishes their effectiveness IMO. He has been aggressively trashing this film from the outset purely because Damon Lindelof worked on it (therefore it sucks) and not from honestly reasoning through the films problems based on the work itself. I look forward to your response enumerating my many grammatical mistakes and ignoring all other points concerning the cowardly poster known as "scirocco/asimovlives".

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Nice

    by Keith

    http://tinyurl.com/97cx6b8

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Zodiac

    by Keith

    'Also, wondering why you've taken mimirsan to task for his grammar yet have left scirocco alone concerning his' Because I assumed he was Portugese. That may be wrong, but it was my assumption.

  • Oct. 16, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    It's a mad house!

    by albert comin

    And i have always been told never to argue with mad people, but i had to ignore that wise consel. Lesson learned. Leave the mad to their own delusions.

  • Oct. 22, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Nothing yet?

    by gusw666

    Am I crazy? or this one doesnt have a winer yet?

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