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Is Your Favorite Network
Show Headed For Cancellation??

Published at: Oct. 7, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!!

Most of the fall shows have premiered, so it’s not a terrible time to see how things are going ratings-wise.

ABC
(18-49 finals; repeats in grey; earlier weeks in parentheses, shows I suspect are vulnerable to cancellation are in red; shows I don't believe vulnerable in green; non-school-night shows in brown)
--- (5.5) (1.6) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) Modern Family
3.9
(---) (---) (0.7) (0.3) (0.8) Once Upon A Time
3.8 (4.4)
(1.1) (0.7) (---) (---) Grey’s Anatomy
3.2
(---) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) Revenge
2.2 (2.9)
(1.1) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) The Middle
2.1 (2.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing With The Stars (Mo)
2.1 (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) Dancing With The Stars (Tu)

2.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) 666 Park Avenue
2.0 (2.1) (0.9) (0.6) (---) (---) Scandal
1.9 (2.1) (---) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) Castle
1.9 (2.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) Last Resort
1.9 (3.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Neighbors
1.6 (1.9) (---) (0.5) (---) (---) Private Practice
--- (1.5) (1.7) (---) (---) (---) Primetime
1.5 (1.6) (1.8) (---) (0.9) (1.0) Shark Tank
1.3 (1.4) (1.8) (1.3) (1.0) (1.2) 20/20
1.2 (1.7) (1.5) (---) (3.0) (---) College Football

ABC only ordered 13 episodes of Shonda Rhimes’ “Private Practice” this season. My suspicion is it will order no more

“Revenge” rattled around between a 2.0 and 2.5 on Wednesdays this year and looked to me like it might not be back this fall. It’s obviously doing much better on Sundays after ABC’s top-rated drama “Once Upon A Time.”

So far “Last Resort” is doing better than “Charlie’s Angels,” which premiered at 2.1 in that 8 p.m. Thursday slot, then fell to 1.5 its second week, then 1.2 its third. “Angels” lasted seven episodes.

CBS
--- (8.7) (7.4) (---) (---) (---) NFL Sunday
4.9 (5.0) (2.3) (1.9) (2.0) (1.6) Big Bang Theory
3.7 (4.1) (1.6) (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) NCIS
3.6 (3.5) (1.8) (1.5) (1.8) (1.3) 2½ Men
3.5 (3.7) (1.6) (0.8) (1.5) (2.1) 2 Broke Girls
3.3 (3.6) (1.4) (0.8) (1.4) (1.5) How/Your Mother
--- (3.1) (---) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) Criminal Minds
3.1 (3.4) (1.5) (1.2) (1.0) (1.1) NCIS LA
3.0 (2.9)
(1.3) (1.0) (---) (---) Person of Interest
3.0 (3.1) (3.2) (---) (---) (---) Survivor
2.9 (3.1) (---) (---) (1.2) (1.6) Mike & Molly
2.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Amazing Race
--- (2.5) (---) (1.3) (---) (---) CSI
2.5 (3.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) Elementary
2.1 (1.1) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (1.0) The Mentalist
2.1 (2.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) Partners
2.0 (1.8) (0.9) (---) (0.8) (1.1) Hawaii Five-0
2.0 (2.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) Vegas
1.8 (---) (0.7) (0.6) (0.4) (0.8) The Good Wife
1.7 (2.7) (2.8) (2.1) (0.8) (1.2) 60 Minutes
1.5 (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (---) Blue Bloods
1.3
(1.0) (0.7) (0.6) (0.5) (---) CSI NY
1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Made In Jersey

Last season “Hawaii Five-0” premiered with a 3.4 and never fell below a 2.3. It’s been getting clobbered by “Revolution.”

“The Mentalist” is not thriving with its move from Thursdays to Sundays. Last season it never fell below 2.2 and once went as high as 3.0.

Last season “The Good Wife” ranged between 1.7 and 2.7.

“Vegas” lost a lot of the “NCIS LA” audience and lost to “Sons of Anarchy” last week, but it still beat “Parenthood” and “Private Practice.”

“Partners” is doing a poor job of retaining the “How I Met Your Mother” audience, which could hurt “2 Broke Girls.”

NBC
9.0 (8.7) (8.9)(11.0) (---) (3.3) NFL Sunday
4.6 (4.4) (4.7) (4.2) (---) (---) The Voice (Mo)

3.0 (4.2) (4.7) (4.0) (---) (---) The Voice (Tu)
3.2 (3.4) (4.1) (---) (---) (---) Revolution
2.2 (2.1) (2.1) (---) (---) (0.6) The Office
2.1 (2.7) (3.4) (3.4) (---) (---) Go On
--- (2.1) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) Law & Order SVU
1.9 (1.6) (1.7) (---) (---) (0.5) Parks and Recreation
1.7 (2.0) (2.2) (2.5) (---) (---) The New Normal
1.6 (0.6) (0.6) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) Grimm
1.6 (1.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) Guys With Kids
1.6 (1.8) (1.8) (1.9) (---) (---) Parenthood

1.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) 30 Rock
1.4 (1.4) (1.3) (---) (---) (---) Up All Night
1.3 (1.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) Animal Practice

1.3 (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (0.8) (0.9) Dateline
1.0 (0.8) (1.1) (1.4) (---) (---) Rock Center

“Revolution,” “Go On” and “New Normal” all got full first-season orders this week. Unfortunately “New Normal” seems to be a ratings roadblock preventing the “Go On” audience from making it all the way to “Parenthood.”

“Guys With Kids,” “Animal Practice,” "Parenthood" and “Up All Night” all look really vulnerable to my eyes. Will any of them outlast the outgoing “30 Rock”?

With “Go On” hobbled by a “Voice” recap show, “The Office” reasserted itself this week as NBC’s biggest sitcom.

“Grimm” was Friday’s top show a week ago, so it looks plenty safe.

“Rock Center” isn’t doing appreciably worse in the old “ER” timeslot than “Prime Suspect,” “The Firm” or “Awake” did last season.

“Community” starts its Friday journey in two weeks.

Fox
8.5 (---) (---)(10.6) (---) (2.6) NFL Sunday
3.8 (1.5) (1.9) (2.2) (1.1) (1.8) The Simpsons
3.5 (3.4) (3.6) (3.3) (---) (---) The X Factor (We)
3.3 (1.9) (2.0) (2.2) (1.5) (2.0) Family Guy
3.2 (3.2) (3.5) (3.1) (---) (---) The X Factor (Th)
2.8 (2.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) New Girl
2.6 (2.4) (2.9) (3.1) (0.6) (0.8) Glee
2.5 (0.6) (1.1) (---) (0.6) (---) American Dad
2.5 (1.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) Bob’s Burgers
2.1 (2.3) (2.3) (---) (---) (---) Bones
1.9 (2.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) Mindy Project
1.7 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Raising Hope
1.6 (2.1) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ben & Kate

1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fringe
1.1 (0.8) (0.9) (1.2) (0.5) (---) College Football
1.0 (1.3) (1.5) (---) (---) (---) Mob Doctor

“New Girl” remains strong as Fox’s top live-action sitcom, but “The Mindy Project” and “Ben & Kate” started weak and are already bleeding viewers.

“Raising Hope” premiered with a 3.1 last season.

“Mob Doctor” could be the first casualty of the new season.

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  • Oct. 7, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    I like both the Mindy Project and Ben & Kate

    by hst666

    I hope they improve.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 3:21 a.m. CST

    And I can't believe how bad the New Normal pilot was.

    by hst666

  • Television has been banned from my life since that cancellation.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Colour-coding

    by Tony

    Can I make a quick comment on the way these ratings are colour-coded? Like 10% of men I am pretty severely colourblind and so the use of red/green/brown as a means of differentiation is completely meaningless!! Can't you try, for example, red/blue/yellow, where the differences are actually stark enough for the remaining 10% of us to see!?! Not that this particular coloumn is of much interest to me - my spelling of colour rather than color should give that away!! - but, you know, for future reference...

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST

    gordons_alive

    by mascan42

    These columns are written for the 90%. Now go back to staring bewildered at that traffic light.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Ben & Kate

    by hspahr

    Huh, I've really been enjoying Ben & Kate. And Don Johnson's daughter is a serious hotty.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    how is Big Bang Theory's ratings so high?

    by professorjack

    What the hell man. People just like shit. Thats gotta be the answer. All these quality comedies that we think "if only people gave it a chance", they probably did and didnt like it because they wanted to watch shit.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Tankin' it.

    by Metroid_Fetish

    All of the networks are doing it, not just NBC.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    umm..

    by dengreg31

    you wrote: "“Revenge” rattled around between a 2.0 and 2.5 on Wednesdays this year and looked to me like it might not be back this fall. It’s obviously doing much better on Sundays after ABC’s top-rated drama “Once Upon A Time.”" Are you nuts? "Revenge" was NEVER in line for cancellation.. its been labelled as a guilty pleasure for ABC since it launched last year and only picked up buzz and ratings as it went.. that was a ridiculous statement...

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I was curious about the CW as well

    by Ricardo

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Impractial Jokers on Current - Anyone Seen?

    by KentButabi

    I have not laughed so hard at a show in YEARS.

  • My belly was aching -Namaste-

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Last Resort

    by Grendel745

    Man I hate when quality shows get shitty ratings because no one wants to watch a non-reality, non-laugh track aided, well acted show. I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it while its on though and hope that its this year's "Fringe". The show that the network keeps on because of its quality, despite ratings.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    who the f cares about the CW?

    by nora inu

    all the shows on that network only cater to tweenage douchers...

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I miss the good old days when we kept seeing Scrubs survive.

    by Darth_Nader

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I think it's been a really poor crop of new shows this year...

    by dj_bollocks

    And with a lot of quality shows reaching the end of their lifespan Network telly must be shitting themselves...

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    I like the NEW NORM

    by KevinMuller

    It isn't perfect but the cast gels great together and the little girl is a find

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Community's journey

    by PDepew2181

    Is there any kind of a chance it gets more than 13 episodes? I mean, the NBC suits were saying, "Well, we have to give these other shows a chance," and most of them have already proven to be shit, so...just do the right thing and give Community a full 22 episodes. Of course, if the show has been totally ruined by the behind the scenes changes......shit, can't think like that. Stay positive.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    The Mentalist - my favorite 'Sherlock Holmes' show.

    by Raptor Jesus

    The move to Sundays was a dumb idea.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    professerjack

    by Greg

    Seems the vast majority of Americans like TV comfort food. Something they can watch in the background and not have to think about. They don't want a challenge. I think the don't like to think part could be key.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    txtphile - Totally agree about Fringe

    by Paul

    So glad that they get to go out on their terms and so far its awesome!

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST

    dharma4 - Don't think that you have to worry about OUAT

    by Paul

    Its near the top of the ratings, as a OUAT fan myself I'm really glad about it. I think that possibly its the new Lost.

  • I hope that The Mindy Project dies a horrible death though.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Should The Office be in green since it's the final season?

    by SifoDyasJr

    I know it's doing decent (at least by NBC's standards), but it is being put out to pasture at the end of the season along with 30 Rock--which, I want to point out, has been getting terrible numbers compared to Community in that same time period. Except NBC treats 30 Rock like a favorite child and Community like a red-headed step-child...

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Hawaii Five-O" getting clobbered by "Revolution

    by Toe Jam

    That's awesome. Haven't yet had a chance yet to watch "Revolution," but the reviews have been pretty mixed. Regardless, I'm all for any half-interesting show that beats a show from CBS' assembly line of nearly indistinguishable crime dramas.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    I haven't picked up any new shows this season.

    by MovieManStill

    Watched a few, but nothing that I'm sticking with, for sure. Actually, I may "join" "American Horror Story" - skipped the first season.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    How do people stomach these awful shows? I can't understand.

    by A. Garcia

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I am afraid to invest time and effort into REVOLUTION.

    by Chris Moody

    Will it be the next V, FLASHFORWARD, THE EVENT, TERRA NOVA, etc...? Also, I suspect that HAWAII FIVE-0 will survive but at a different day/time. I also suspect that both preachy homosexual shows (Partners, New "Normal") will be cancelled. I liked THE MINDY PROJECT. However, I suspect that it will be cancelled too. I think that it would probably work with someone other than Mindy Kaling in the lead role. She's a great actress...but she just doesn't "look" the part anymore than I would look the part of Abraham Lincoln.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    IMPRACTICAL JOKERS is hilarious...

    by Chris Moody

    ...but it isn't on CURRENT TV. It is on Tru TV.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    the new shows premiered? Really? I didn't even notice.

    by cozy

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Big Bang Theory does NOT have great writing

    by jarhead_h

    They were out of places to go with it last year, and getting renewed through year , what, eight(?), really isn't helping. Sons of Anarchy is in the same situation. It needed to end this year with Jax and Ope burning everything down, and instead it's been renewed through year six and seven is apparently very likely. And that's on top of year three, which was honestly bad enough that is should have gotten SoA canceled outright.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Supernatural did a 0.8 on Wednesday

    by Hercules

    That's precisely where it premiered last year. I didn't do the CW this time because most of its shows premiere later, over the next two weeks.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    if raising hope gets canceled I will be sad

    by Batmangelo

    That shows hilarious

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Charlie's Angels

    by Spinninmarty

    I totally forgot that was a show from last year.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    BIG BANG THEORY usually makes me laugh...

    by chaburchak

    ...but the latest episode, where Penny tried to break up with Leonard AGAIN for no apparent reason, was pretty worrisome. Looks like they really are starting to run out of ideas. On the other hand, I find the success of HOW I MET YOUR MOTHER inexplicable, so there you go. Everyone's different.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    BBT is my guilty pleasure

    by Beebop

    It's not groundbreaking, or all that funny, but I do find it fitfully amusing. The humor is obvious, forced, pandering, and based off of caricatures and not actual people. I do watch it, but I justify viewing it by also watching actual, quality shows - New Girl, Ben & Kate, for example, both of which I've really enjoyed so far (New Girl's my favorite network comedy). I will agree with this nonsense that Penny is "bored" with Leonard and wants to break up with him is idiotic. Let's just look at her character for a second: a midwestern megaslut who isn't terribly bright and is a waitress, and she wants to dump a brilliant, likable guy who is an admitted nerd but seems to be pretty damn good at the bedroom antics, given her reactions previously. She's bored? She's friggin' BORING. I find a show like 2 Broke Girls MUCH more offensive and disgusting than Big Bang Theory.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    jarhead_h

    by jsfithaca

    sutter has been vocal about a seven season plan for the show for awhile now. and while i agree about the third season ive really liked the 4th and what we've seen so far of the 5th.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Are ratings even accurate anymore?

    by Topher4801

    With PVRing, streaming and downloading?

  • ...if you like a show that the senior citizens that are in possession of Nielsen boxes don't watch, you're pretty much fucked. But hey, you get five versions of CSI out of it...

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    To me BBT and Parenthood have the same problem

    by lowpassat

    First off I am glad that thinks Penny dumping Leonard (again) seems really lame and a sign that they are trying to "strain" their relationship just to fill time. I really wish that they would give Raj more to do that just be the pathetic lonely guy. They gave Sheldon a love interest but Raj cant get a girl? That being said I think I think both shows suffer the same problem, none of the characters ever seem to get anywhere. Penny is still the slut that gets a good guy and cant commit, Leonard is the puppy eyed dork that cant keep a girlfriend, Sheldon is the dork that doenst know what to do with a girl even when she throws herself at him repeatedly, Raj is the loney guy thats just alone for no apparent reason other than to be the lonely guy. Howard is the lone exception, atleast his character is getting somwhere. Parenthood is the same way, I'll spare the details this time but all the characters are spinnning their wheels with the one lone exception being Crosby. I dont want to see the same charactrers stuck in the same ruts season after season.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I`m glad Fringe is in Red. Should`ve been cancelled a while ago.

    by higgledyhiggles

    An entire episode about finding a video tape which tells them to go find video tapes. Fuck me. Kill it now. Why am i even watching. The future is shit.

  • It really doesn't make sense to me why you only show the 18-49 demographic. I know this is what advertisers pay the most attention to, but what the Hell do you care? Just show the overall ratings, please.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Will Last Resort last all season?

    by palpster

    Will it?

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    community got a b+ in entertainment weekly

    by KevinMuller

    They say you can feel the slight slide in value but it still remains true to itself

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Mindy Kaling is the ugliest woman on the planet...

    by Punisherthunder

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    punisherthunder is absolutely right...

    by palpster

    How she ever got her show is beyond me.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Big Bang Theory is the worst "comedy" on network since...

    by SenatorJeffersonSmith

    According To Jim

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Revolution sucks.

    by Jackson

    I honestly can't believe why so many people like it.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Vegas will get cancelled, it had a great premise, but...

    by Shermdawg

    ...it's too much of the same (at probably a high cost), and not nearly as interesting as it could've been. That and the Chiklis/Quaid dynamic will basically drag on like that of Clark and Lex on Smallville as my buddy pointed out with Quaid busting in on his office every episode with nothing coming from it but fingers being pointed. CBS should've aimed for a Justified, not just another run of the mill procedural with a cool setting. Last Resort. Going down. Wrong timeslot. Terrible network. Story with limited scope. It's not bad, but not nearly as engaging as similar shows have been or are and looks to likely fall into the same trappings as Lost if it continues on. If it gets canned, Cinemax should pick it up, ramp up the action a bit, let Andre drop some f-bombs, and have the loevely Autumn Reeser get nekkid every episode. Or at least have her come back to Hawaii Five-O which will probably be moved to Tuesdays after Vegas gets yanked. It'd fit in better with the NCIS shows anyway. As far as Revolution is concerned, I could only stomach two episodes. Sorry Eric. And regarding Supernatural, please fucking put it out of it's misery.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Hercs still bitter with the CW

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    People like Revolution simply because.....

    by kenisgod1

    The world is going to end in 75 days.....duh.....

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Mindy Kaling and BJ Novak

    by Carmen A

    I really don't understand how Kaling and Novak succeeded. The American Office was a low budget affair from the start, using all new talent, so I get that they were there first, and came cheap. But they so quickly became fixtures, and their work was routinely the worst. We all know that Office scripts are written by committee (a typical episode has EIGHTEEN writers, credited as some form of "producer"), so it's tough for any single person to shine. But the Kaling and Novak episodes were almost always self-serving, emphasizing their characters to get themselves more on-screen time, and their characters were always annoying and completely unrealistic. (Compare to Dwight, who is annoying but in a realistic enough manner to be funny.) They got in fast, met with the right people, and because Hollywood furniture. I am sure that like Jimmy Fallon, we will NEVER be rid of Kaling or Novak, no matter how badly their shows do, and how much money they cost the network.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST

    I, too, am not fond of Mindy Kaling or BJ Novak

    by Toe Jam

    I still remember my first exposure to Kaling: It was "The 40-Year-Old Virgin," when she shows up as the ex over whom Paul Rudd's character has been pining the entire movie. I thought to myself, "No fucking way a good-looking dude like Paul Rudd pines over a chick that un-pretty." Totally took me out of the movie. Yeah, I know it's shallow. I wouldn't call her fat, though, or even unattractive. She's quite plain-looking, which is fine, but her comedic "voice" is rather annoying, and that's what makes her unappealing. BJ Novak is either great at pretending to be a douche bag or really is a douche bag playing himself on TV. I can't decide which, but either way I don't like him.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Mindy Kaling

    by vuvuzela

    I thinks she's gorgeous - just shows there are different tastes. Although I admit, she'd find me hideous.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST

    New Girl can't be this generations friends.

    by Baked

    The cast is only 60% white. That's 40% less white than friends.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    New GIrl is nothing LIKE Friends

    by Beebop

    Where do people come up with this stuff? Friends was a traditional, trite sitcom with characters who had no depth whatsoever. New Girl has ratatat banter and characters who are actually more than cardboard cutouts (see Schmidt, for example). Don't get me wrong - some of the "youthful" lingo is tiresome and just as trite as Friends was on the whole, but I would much rather hang out with the characters on New Girl than the characters on Friends.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    by docholliday5

    Lack of options is how. If you had to sit at a table and eat shit, you are going to choose to eat the least shitty shit.

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    2 WEEKS UNTIL I CAN WATCH TV AGAIN!!

    by la te ral us

    yaaaaayyy Community!

  • There are TV shows (not many of them but they exist) that rival theatrical films and people still give a shit about The Big Bang Theory?

  • I'm hoping for "Arrow." But with my record . . .

  • You do realize that people can watch both crappy TV and realize that it's not great, and at the same time watch the transcendant stuff and know how good it is? Really, the only network TV i watch is Fox's Tuesday comedies, Fringe, The Office/Parks and Rec, and the Big Bang Theory. Everything else is the high-quality cable dramas. I won't bother with the network TV crap.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST

    The New Girl" IS the newer generation's "Friends

    by Toe Jam

    And I say that as a fan of both series.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST

    BBT has its moments, but you are better off watching

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    the IT Crowd, the show that BBT wishes it were.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Life is way too short to watch mediocre television.

    by brokentusk

    I watched the pilot for both REVOLUTION and LAST RESORT. Both had moments that made me engage, but for the most part just came across as a desperate attempt to re-create the magic that LOST somehow captured from its first episode. I'm not sticking with either of them. I don't know, I've just come to a point where I've realized that there's more shows that I can handle and I have to be selective with my time. Why would I want to waste my life watching THE BIG BANG THEORY and THE NEW GIRL, when I could be watching BOARDWALK EMPIRE and THE NEWSROOM, you know? That's just an example, BOARDWALK and NEWSROOM aren’t for everyone, but what I mean is: I'm happy to spend the rest of my days watching stories that interest me and make me think, instead of just consuming season after season of brain-numbing mediocrity just so I can feel satisfied that I’m “caught up” with all the shows.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 3:27 a.m. CST

    CW can't get Superman in a Superman show.

    by UltimaRex

    Fuck 'em. Fuck 'em.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Nothing has been really gripping so far

    by Truxton Spangler

    I like Last Resort most of the new bunch, but it looks expensive for the ratings it gets. And I don't really care for/about the chick Lt or her anguish. Revolution got the back nine picked up, so it will get a full season, but I hope the twists end up somewhere meaningful. Feisty is-she-jaiilbait niece needs to tone down the acting. And the geek dude reminds me too much of Harry Crane, which bugs me for some unknown reason. Vegas seems to be doing pretty well, but isn't my cup of tea, nor is CBS' other stuff. I stay away from most network comedies. And I don't get the remark about Revenge, either. It was a pleasant surprise for ABC last season, but then, this isn't the place for any kind of insightful analysis, either.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Revolution = Revolting

    by Frank

    This show's entire premise is ridiculous. There is no way the laws of physics could be changed that electricity's basic properties could be altered and not kill every living being on Earth. All animals regardless of intelligence level require electricity to manage basic life functions. Even if you put aside this fact, we are to believe that the Governments of the world forgot how to use steam power or hydrolic power to move objects or that you can make bullets making basic smelting technology. How is a country who has more ammunition to supply every rifle in this country ammunition for 20 years no longer have ammo.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    revolution is simple no power=no computers= no clue

    by j2talk

    jesus, the premise is simple, no power things fall apart...how many clueless motherfuckers are there that cant go a minute with updating there twitter or facebook what happens when it stops working? now powers goes out how you gona figure out whats wrong with a car without the diagnostic computer?build steam power plants how? no one knows HOW to do anything anymore at least not with looking up directions online......

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    @ latinoliontamer:

    by Leto III

    The electromagnetic principle at work in the show *isn't* necessarily flawed, per se -- the lack of free current-flow through a conductor is not the same thing as the lack of electricity. Yes, if there were no potential differences or exchange of charge, chemical processes, guns, and life itself would not function. However, if the Macguffin is that current no longer flows freely through semiconductors or conductors, due to quantum-eddy currents or some other handwavium, you'd get all these effects without ending life, lightning, or the mighty power of the gun (which is what S.M. Stirling's novels dealt with). I'm waiting for the show to address this more concretely, but it is doable, at least in theory. We'll have to see what the next few weeks bring us.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Big Bang Theory

    by ShoreGrey

    I HATE that fucking show. The most broad, dumbed down humor for the masses...in fact that pretty much describes every network sitcom.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to the return of Nikita

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    It's the best show you're not watching (apparently).

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Hercules - Can you explain how the US viewing figures thing works?

    by Lord Albion

    As a Brit, I am always confused by these figures and 'Sweeps week,' etc. Over here in Blighty, viewing figures are simply measured in millions of viewers, (from the 80's when 20 million was good, down now to 12-13 million being considered excellent!) It is very unusual here for a programme to be dropped mid-run, but not unusual for a programme to be dropped even though its viewing figures were pretty good.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    leto iii

    by warren bishop

    True, but that still doesn't explain how we'd just 'forget' about steam power. Electricity has only been in most major cities for about 100 years. If we lost it, we'd regress back to the 19th century - not the Middle Ages. The premise for the show is ridiculous. I could go on to list the other problems - but why bother.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    The only difference between Friends and New Girl

    by SergeantStedenko

    is I'd let the New Girl do a sit and spin on my face and I could never say the same of any of the female Friends.

  • ...I just got a think for skinny jewish girls...

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    @ warrenbishop:

    by Leto III

    To be sure, it's not quite as simple and clear-cut as that -- the people alive back during the nineteenth century at least had a low-tech, knowledge-based infrastructure in place, which we no longer possess. For example: agricultural/food production on an individual family-basis, steam-powered industrial equipment, folk remedies and chemistry formulas, etc. It would be a long, long time (on the order of decades, experts say) before such knowledge could get disseminated again on a widespread basis amongst the survivors, and we'd be looking at having to ransack libraries for old bound copies of Mother Earth News, Popular Mechanics (from the 1800s to the early 1900s), the old Foxfire books, et al, for old-fashioned, forgotten technological data, as well as folk medicine cures to fill the void caused by a sudden lack of modern pharmaceuticals and painkillers. While certain pieces of technology would be easily retrofittable in the aftermath of this type of disaster (including gas lamps), the majority of it would be years away from such conversion. Also, while we didn't see things like printing presses in the pilot, they may still show up in later episodes -- it's too early to say, yet.

  • That is one thing I like about AHS the one season one story theme means things won't be dragged on and on...like Lost, ...Battlestar Galatica.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Fringe ratings are abysmal

    by SergeantStedenko

    I used to watch it almost every Thursday.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Mob Doctor would be great on F/X

    by annie_michael_hall

    They would need to amp up the violence and make the lead character more of a true anti-hero and less of a wet blanket but the overall structure is there.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Also, love these Herc - network "cancellations" are so old school

    by annie_michael_hall

    Now with most cable series getting at least a full season to prove themselves and seeing netflix dropping a full season in one day for "House of Cards," I just wonder how long this network model will stand. Maybe forever. But the idea of investing 2-13 episodes and seeing if the ratings are good and then cancelling or renewing somewhere in that initial order could be a model that might be phased out in the next few decades. Or not. I know their economic model is different from cable and netflix of course.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Why isn't Castle gaining traction?

    by Snake Foreskin

    It's dropping off sharply in its 2nd episode of the season? Am I seeing that right? How did that happen, and why doesn't that mean it should be on the chopping block? I love Castle and don't want to see it go, but they better start to get better ratings soon!

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    leto iii

    by warren bishop

    I have to respectfully disagree with you. Alot of century old technology is still used in parts of the world (and this country) - and it wasn't so far in our distant past - that people wouldn't remember steam power etc; if for no other reason that simple necessity. I don't think that Western culture would automatically regress 500-600 years (bypassing the interim periods) without electricity - that's too much of a leap. The only way determine with any certainty which one of us is right - is to actually lose electricity - so let's hope we never find out for certain. Haha. As I mentioned in my previous post - the premise is only one of a long list of problems with the show - so my response is to simply not watch it. The premise did annoy me - so I felt compelled to comment on it. Other than that, I've stopped watching. On an unrelated note - is your screen name a "Dune" reference? One of my all-time favorite works of fiction (the first novel that is). I recently tried reading one of the prequel novels written by his son and Kevin Anderson and it was abysmal. I read "Hyperion" instead and it was very interesting. If you haven't read it - I recommend it.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    drew7526

    by emteem

    I am not actually watching Revolution... too busy at the moment, but if it survives the season I plan to catch up over the summer. I just wanted to comment on your fear of the show not going anywhere. The five season arc that Kripke developed for Supernatural is about the most satisfying 5 year storyline I've seen on television since it stuck the landing unlike Lost or BSG. Supernatural has a somewhat uneven first season, but by the end of the first year found it's footing and told about the most consistent multi-year arc ever. I am hoping for Kripke to repeat that history with Revolution. But, that's just my personal opinion on a different show and hopes for the future so take it for what you will.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Stopped watching BBT - Sheldon is just grating on me

    by cromulent

    Love Fringe, love PoI, enjoying "NBC Thursdays", enjoying Supernatural, liking Elementary, and my God, that's all I'm watching these days. Network TV is sucking

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The Good Wife = 45-yo women with $$$ to spend

    by agnes

    Granted, CBS would never tolerate an entire slate of shows with TGW's ratings, but that specific show pulls in one of the highest income audiences in network TV. There's nowhere else for Cartier and Chanel to buy ad time that guarantees that kind of access. For that alone, CBS is going to keep TGW on the air for as long as possible.

  • That entire Thursday NBC line up is just a total ratings disaster. The Office only getting a 2.2 as a high, used to be unthinkable. With shows like Sons of Anarchy and Walking Dead getting monster ratings on cable only networks, it just proves people are still watching their TV, they're just getting sick of the same old safe Network garbage that the big networks continue to produce.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    lord_albion: ratings

    by MGTHEDJ

    In the US, a nation of 300+ million, the broadcast networks of NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and CW do not run new episodes between the 4th week of May and the first week of September. Half the nation, mostly people in the southern and the western parts of the country schedule their holiday during the weeks from May 25th-July 7. July 4th is a national holiday because that was the day the Declaration of Independence (from Britain) was signed in 1776. The 4th Monday in May in Memorial Day. The other half of the US schedules their holiday during the weeks from July 1-September 7. Mainly the northeast, Great Lakes region (Pittsburgh to Minnesota, and throw in Iowa), and the states of California, Oregon, and Washington. The first Monday in September in Labor Day. In the US, first run episodes air from September to May. After 6 weeks of first run shows, local stations use the ratings in November to get a sense of what their audience is and set their advertising rates for the Christmas Season. The term coined in the "Mad Men" era for November was Sweeps. The 4th Thursday in November is the national holiday Thanksgiving. It is the biggest travel day of all the US holidays, even bigger than Christmas. With so many people on the road that Tuesday and Wednesday, and not returning home until the following Saturday and Sunday, the 5 networks run one-off holiday specials or reruns. During the 6 weeks between Thanksgiving and New Year's Day usually only 1 new episode airs, and usually it is the second week in December and it's the Christmas themed episode. This quirk is due to the amount of after-work Christmas shopping, children's Christmas plays at schools, and company parties going on the 4 weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas Day. The week between Christmas and New Year's has more reruns as well. First run episodes return after New Years Day, and run through the first week in March. When the winter sets in and it's too cold to go anywhere, TV watching patterns stabilize from the Christmas fluctuations. In February, the local TV station have another sense of what their audience is and use that data to set advertising rates for the spring. This is February Sweeps. Since the 1970's the Broadcast networks, because of production costs, only order 22-26 episodes in what you in the UK call a series. This means there are too many days and not enough episodes from March 1 to the fourth week of May. The 5 networks go into reruns for a 3-4 weeks, or sometimes start running another new show they did not start in September. If the new show is successful they will bring it back in the summer. If it remains a hit, the show's Series 2 will usually air beginning in September. The final 4-6 episodes of a show on the 5 broadcast networks air in April and May. Local stations, knowing that the network shows are wrapping up for the spring, use the ratings data of May to set advertising rates for the summer and the following September and October. This May Sweeps. The idea of the overall audience versus just 18-49 year olds is a holdover from the 1970's because of the post-war baby-boom population. Car companies wanted a stat on just the younger viewers because younger viewers would buy Cameros, VWs, Hondas, Toyotas , and such. Their thinking was why run a Camero or VW ad on Gunsmoke when more 22-25 year olds were watching Sanford and Son. I hope this helps.-----later-----m

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Last Resort...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...is the only new show I care for. But only barely. Network shows all have that cheesy stupid feel that always keep me from calling them "good" shows. Still, I dig the premise (for now). I waste a little time on Revolution, but I don't think I actually like it. Will probably give up on it soon enough.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    New Girl's only saving grace is Schmidt

    by cromulent

    He's hilarious in my book. And my book is made of baby tears. Everyone else seems just not into it. Oh, that Indian chick is super hot, so there's that.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Gina Carano as She-Hulk!

    by cromulent

    They don't even need CGI! Just paint her green! OK that would look weird!

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    wrong talkback!

    by cromulent

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I hope The New Normal goes tra-la-la, hippity hop

    by FeralAngel

    ...off into the sunset. Crap idea for a sitcom.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Some stuff...

    by DougMcKenzie

    Won't NBC take Community to 100 eps to get the extra syndication fees? Revolution just might save 1) NBC 2) Ambitious big budget Sci-fi on network TV. CBS is starting to show some age. They dominated the last decade through their procedurals, but all of them outside of NCIS are bleeding viewers fast. Other than NCIS, CSI-LV, and POI the rest could be on their last year. Revenge seems to have soaked up the desperate housewives viewers. They also seem unable to pair anything up with Modern Family either. That show is alone in the wilderness. It was already announced that this is 30 rock's last season to go with the Office. P&R will stay for stability. Up all night will be gone in 3 weeks. NBC suits must be desperate that The Farm hits big. Animation Domination is still doing that dominating. Here's to five more years of the Simpson's and Family Guy.

  • I like Nick a lot, because he's an irrationally angry, unemployed curmudgeon. Basically, he's me with a beard, in California.

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Brokentusk

    by Dr. Hfuhruhurr

    "Life is too short to watch mediocre television". Wow. Just wow.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:50 a.m. CST

    juemad

    by brokentusk

    Haha, come now dude, you know what I mean. I love watching movies and TV shows and I don't consider spending my free time watching either to be a waste of that time, but I have a wife and six-year-old son. What little "free" time I have means I have to be very selective with what I watch. Regardless of my personal life, I just don't understand why someone would rather watch TWO AND A HALF MEN than do, I don't know, just about anything else.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Ratings are pretty much lies...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Not many people watch TBBT... I don't know anyone who does. Why I love it so much that it gets great "ratings" though is that there are so many assholes out there hating on "gay" shows. New Normal, Glee, a lot of shows get this label as pushing some imaginary Gay agenda... Yet TBBT is like the gayest show on TV. The leads don't act like geeks, they act like gay geeky guys who have female beards. So I find that very funny. Revolution gained some weight for having the balls to kill characters. So I'm in. They better lay a deeper plot though. I'm already kind of tired of this good guys vs. Militia story already. Just start explaining the mystical devices that shut the power off. Cannot believe "Go On" is doing so well. I'm seriously confused by this. Why hasn't American networks moved to Mini-series yet? Develop a show to span only 13 to 22 episodes. Then end it. If it does well do a second mini-series etc. This would kill off all these shows having stories or mysteries that are never explained.

  • In a country of over 300 million people you talk TV with, what, a few dozen people? And that makes you think your sampling of friends and family and colleagues better represents the viewing habits of the entire country better than Nielsen's? Not saying the Nielsen system isn't flawed, but I have to believe it's still better than the shallow pool of one guy and the people he grew up with and hangs out with (who would generally have similar tastes).

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    big jim...

    by Andrew Coleman

    I'm not saying me personally is a better indicator than Nielsen. I'm just saying not one of my friends, family members or the various people I work with watch this show. I'm not very shy either and have never been in convo where this show is even mentioned. Have you ever watched it? It's fucking terrible. I mean there is no real way to defend it. Five minutes of it and I felt like I got brain cancer. Nielsen is flawed though. It's just not a good system. I know advertisers dislike downloads and DVR but I feel like this represents at least what people are actually watching. Just putting a couple boxes on TV's around the country and then doing "math" putting a number on what people are watching. Look I'd say triple that number when it comes to sports. But just because two old retards watch TBBT doesn't mean everyone does. That's all I'm saying.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    myphdisdoom

    by jim

    If viewers aren't watching live, actually watching the commercials, what do advertisers and networks care how many are actually watching the show? Ratings are supposed to represent how many are watching a show as it airs. It tells the advertisers how many people are seeing their commercials, and gives the networks the justification for whatever amount they set to charge the advertisers. 99% of the country could be watching, but if no one is watching live, as far as advertisers are concerned, no one is watching. On the other side, if a show only has 20,000 viewers, yet every single one is a Nielsen viewer, it looks like the entire country is watching. So, yeah, I agree the system is flawed. Even so, not everyone is watching TBBT. According to the ratings, last week's episode, in the 18-49 category, got 4.9 rating, 16 share, viewers 15 million. That means 4.9% of all US TV households were tuned to that episode. 16% of US TV households that were watching TV at that time were watching that show. In other words, 95.1% of all US TV households were not tuned into that show (either off or watching something else). 84% of all TV households that were watching TV at that time were on another channel. Yes, I know that I'm not accounting for everyone outside the 18-49 age group, so those watching is higher, and those not watching is lower. But still, the majority of TV viewers didn't watch, and probably don't ever watch. In a country of over 300 million people, 15 million watching really isn't that many. TBBT may be the most popular show of the evening, but the majority of viewers opted to watch something else (or nothing at all). It's not that surprising you don't know any.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    And, for the record, I do watch it

    by jim

    Have since it started. I don't find it as funny as it was back then, but still get a laugh out of it now and again. If it were to be cancelled tomorrow I wouldn't lament; if it were to go on for another 5 years I could see myself not seeing it through to the end. But for now I'm enjoying it. That said, I don't see it as a "geek" show. I'm not a "it's a show about us" defender. It does pander to the perceived notion of "what is a nerd/geek" and often goes for the easy jokes over character (what I would expect from someone like that). Just had a thought - since you've never been in a conversation where this show has been brought up, why not do it yourself? You might find you do know people who watch it but have never brought it up because you all always have better, more interesting shows to talk about. It being absent from your conversations isn't proof it is absent from your circle's TV viewing habits.

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST

    One more thing

    by jim

    What I watch has absolutely no bearings on ratings in any way. I don't affect them, nor am I reflected in them. At least, I assume not. After all, what would US networks and US advertisers care what I watch up here in Canada?

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    mgthedj, thanks for that!

    by Lord Albion

    It clears a lot up. US television is a strange beast compared to what we are used to here in the UK. Most drama or comedy series/seasons run for anything from 3 episodes (eg. Sherlock) to around 12. The complete run is usually in the can prior to broadcast and as I mentioned it is unusual for a show to be cancelled mid-run. I can only think of a couple of examples. (Even the appalling 'Outcasts' from the BBC which cost a fortune and was a ratings stinker, was still shown completely, although shifted to a graveyard slot.) Other than that we have 'serial drama,' as soaps are politely known. For UK broadcasters, the Christmas period is a massively important time as many programmes have their season finales at around this time, along with Christmas specials, moves, etc. and is advertisers heaven. I can't begin to imagine what the population would make of reruns for the best art of seven weeks!

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    mgthedj, thanks for that! (*)

    by Lord Albion

    *best part of seven weeks

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    lord_albion: you're welcome

    by MGTHEDJ

    The UK model of scheduling TV shows is what our "cable stations" use. They are 10-13 episode runs (a few get up to 15-19) and they usually go straight through, no stops for reruns, and the whole batch will air no matter what the ratings are.-----later-----m

  • Oct. 9, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    5-0

    by malpaso

    Revolution is boring, poorly acted, atrociously lit and the production values mirror syfy channel flicks. 5-0 features Grace Park in a bikini fairly often. 5-0 wins.

  • Oct. 10, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    The Good Wife

    by Speedbumped

    It would be a real shame if it were cancelled. A lot of people are put off by the name and their perception of what the show is about (weepy lady stands by her man), but it is consistently smart and tightly written. My wife got me to start watching, and she was right -- it's great. It's the only network hour-long I watch that I wish was longer every week. Excellent character work in that show, Alan Cumming in particular. I know I'm posting late on this TB and even if I got in on time I would persuade anybody who wasn't already interested in it, but for anybody who reads this, give it a shot.

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