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Published at: Oct. 5, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

The roundtable guests on “Real Time With Bill Maher” this week are columnist Will Cain, former Fla. Rep. Mark Foley and fabulous babe Kerry Washington; political consultant Frank Luntz and environmentalist Bill McKibben are interview guests.

Fox says of “In Absentia”:

Members of the Fringe team go to Walter's former lab at Harvard looking for crucial information that could aid their current rebellion against the Observer overlords.

 

“Grimm” looked like a loser on Mondays back in August, but last Friday it looked like a hero:

Fridays, July 20-Sept. 28, 2012
(Adults 18-49; repeats in gray; previous weeks in parentheses)
1.6 (0.6) (0.6) (0.4) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) Grimm
1.5 (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (---) (0.7) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.7) Blue Bloods
1.5 (1.6) (1.8) (---) (0.9) (1.0) (1.0) (0.9) (0.8) (0.7) (1.0) Shark Tank
1.3 (1.0) (0.7) (0.6) (0.5) (---) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.7) CSI NY
1.3 (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (0.8) (0.9) (1.0) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) Dateline
1.3 (1.4) (1.8) (1.3) (1.0) (1.2) (1.3) (1.0) (0.8) (0.9) (1.3) 20/20
1.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) X Factor
1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Fringe
1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Last Resort
1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Made In Jersey
0.7 (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) (1.0) (0.8) (---) (0.7) (0.8) (0.6) (0.7) Robot Chicken
0.7 (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.9) WWE Smackdown
0.5 (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.4) (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Am Next Top Model
0.5 (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.8) (0.6) (0.6) (0.9) For Better Or Worse
0.5 (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.3) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.5) Say Yes To/Dress
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ultimate Fighter
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) Fish Hooks
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ghost Adventures
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) (0.4) (0.6) (---) (---) (0.5) Gravity Falls
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (---) (0.3) (0.4) House Hunters
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.5) Phineas & Ferb
0.4 (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Secret Princes
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) TMNT
0.4 (0.5) (0.7) (0.6) (0.5) (0.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Yukon Men
0.3 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Flea Market Flip
0.3 (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Haven
0.3 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.4) House Hunters Intl
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) The O’Reilly Factor
0.2 (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) (0.3) Nikita
0.2 (0.3) (---) (---) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rachel Maddow

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  • Oct. 5, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Jay meltdown in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

    by Judge Briggs

    And how about those jobs numbers? Wow! It's really quite fucking pathetic that conservatives think Obama somehow cooked the books. So fucking pathetic indeed.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Mark Foley?!?

    by PDepew2181

    That could be interesting. I see he has a radio show and that he came out. I'm guessing he's still Republican? I thought that was forbidden right now.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    So are we going to et a Fringe talback like last week?

    by Paul

    Please Herc, just for the last 12 episodes.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Is it just my cable provider

    by jim

    or is this week's Grimm not listed as "NEW" for everyone? New, first run episodes have "NEW" in the episode summaries. It wasn't there for last week's episode either. Yet other shows' episodes tonight have "NEW" in their summaries, just not Grimm.

  • I've tried a few times but no dice. Apologies if it's just really really slow and every post I've made all pop up eventually. If they all do, just know it is due to a technical issue and not that I thought it was so very witty it needed to be repeated that many times.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Ha, those numbers are laughable!

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Is that something to be proud about after 3 years??? And those numbers are still bad. Is that it?! Obama supporters are desperate. From 8 to 7(after lots of tweaking) and thats supposed to be good??? LOL C'mon thats some weak sauce and we all fucking know it. I'm willing to bet even Bill won't cheer about that, but I'm sure Rev. Al will.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to hear Jay2517's rant in this thread!

    by Uncle Pooky

    Waaaah! Why don't people post about the stuff I think is important??? - jay2517 Waaaah! If you don't promote something, that means you're a hack!!! - jay2517 Waaaah! I think name calling and repetition distracts from my mountains of logical fallacies and hatred!!! - jay2517 Waaaah! I'm a gutless coward!!! - jay2517

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    When Samuel L Jackson yelled "Wake the F&@k up!"

    by Marc Cerasini

    He was screaming at Obama. Must have been the altitude... And how about those poll numbers in Virginia. Romney looks to win that state handily.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    In defense of Jay

    by Sal Kane

    He doesn't have to meltdown. Even on MSNBC they were laughing about the ludicrous unemployment numbers. Chuck Todd was laughing loudest. It didn't take the Washington Post, the WSJ, and CNBC three hours to explain how the books were cooked. Of course, Obama zombies will eat it up... Quote for the day: "How convenient for governments that the people do not think" --- Adolph Hitler

  • HERC- PLEASE GIVE US A FRINGE TALKBACK- IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    * Chuck Todd was laughing loudest *

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Really?! No...really??? Ok-dokey.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Hey Mcgootoo

    by Paul

    Yeah I know right. Last episode of Fringe was pure awesomeness, even someone on these boards who will remain nameless that repeatedly bashes the show praised that episode. Can't wait to see them go undercover and infiltrate the Observer headquarters.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    mr. nice gaius

    by Sal Kane

    Thank god for those temporary Halloween store jobs, right.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    That was the quip that cracked Chuck Todd up

    by Sal Kane

    It's funny, too. Ok-dokey.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Is that you, Anchorite?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Fringe

    by skiprat1

    Awesome. I hope Walter is given a good amount of screen-time. Last week wasn't enough to see how this full-brained Walter acts. I hope he is full-brained, and didn't revert to the baked, original 2/3 brained Walter. That brief glimpse of full-on Walter in Letters of Transit was one of the highlights of those entire four seasons for me. And yes, dedicated Fringe Talkback please.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Pa- does your wife like Fringe? Do you watch it with her?

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Cooked the books? No. Jukes the stats?

    by Kyle

    Totally. This new report includes mothers returning to work from maternity leave as "new jobs". It's like the fifth season of The Wire all over again

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Smiley face :-D

    by Kyle

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by Sal Kane

    About that quote. My friend is a clinical psychologist and she wrote a paper about how some people can not discern irony. I never believed him until now.

  • Didn't care for X Files, either, but loved Twin Peaks.

  • when a professor ex-girlfriend friend of mine wanted to write about David Lynch, she visited me for hours picking my brain and borrowing my Lynch materials, which she still has to return!!!!! Sw the first episode of Copper and like it much more than I thought I would- haven't had time to catch up on the rest yet. You seem like a smart guy. Politics just makes things ugly around here, and I don't want to go that route of belittling hatred. Of ourse I understand irony. But, is your clinical psychologist friend a man or a woman?. his is what you wrote: *My friend is a clinical psychologist and SHE wrote a paper about how some people can not discern irony. I never believed HIM until now.* Was that a typo, or Freudian slip? Just kidding... By the way, Jay and I are internet friends- we are 1/2 of the 3 Amigos, which includes 4 people. Go figure. Pa Burrows, Jay, and Mr. Longbaugh are the others- 3 conservatives and a liberal- we go against the grain. Have fun, but be strive to be civil if you have that burning need to be political on a TV talkback, my friend....

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    anyone else excited for boss?

    by jsfithaca

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo - She watches with me

    by Paul

    Don't think that its "her show", but he enjoys the characters, it wa the same with Lost. I watch some of her stuff like Amazing Race, The Good Wife, Army Wifes and some others. She watches/watched Lost, Fringe, Once Upon A Time and some other hows like it. Neither of us are really huge fans of the others shows but we watch together to support each other. But we both are fans of Big Bang, The Office, Glee and a few others.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    @mcgootoo: Enjoying "Copper" too. Feel like not many are watching this...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...feeling it is too close in tone to "Gangs of NY". I like historical (and loosely-historical) shows like this one. The show definitely picks up a few interesting threads along the way. Hey - It's NYC during the Civil War, an interesting place to be in 1864 And speaking of history, there's also a great mini-series adaptation of Ken Follett's "World Without End" (story takes place at the onset of the 100 Years War) on international TV now that I'm into - Good stuff Did you ever wind up watching "The Raid: Redemption"?

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Bring on Bad Ass Walter.

    by mongo126

    Hopefully, he can rebuild his brain and start working on the Machine. After last week I'm 111000% on board. The only bad thing is the agonizing buildup until the February finale. Fringe is what X Files could have been if Cris Carter didn't have mythology ADD.

  • tonight I have Cabin in the Woods and The Three Stooges movie- should be a great Friday night. haven't seen my Friday movie friend in a couple of weeks....

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    @Amigos

    by MrLongbaugh

    How is everyone doing tonight? McGoo, I watched Cabin last week and enjoyed it. Haven't seen The Stooges yet, but loved the show as a kid. Pa- You keep on taking care of yourself. You too McGoo!!

  • BTW- stating facts is not a *meltdown*. wrong, yet again :(

  • *Waaaah! Why don't people post about the stuff I think is important??? - jay2517*--- i have never said that. lie #1 *Waaaah! If you don't promote something, that means you're a hack!!! - jay2517*--- never said that either. lie #2 *Waaaah! I think name calling and repetition distracts from my mountains of logical fallacies and hatred!!! - jay2517*--- lie #3 and i dont hate anyone. u keep ignoring this fact. *Waaaah! I'm a gutless coward!!! - jay2517*--- lie #4 and i told u to quit projecting. Pooky Epic Fail Post #2,568 and counting... BTW- i find it funny that a person like u keeps saying im a *gutless coward etc.*, but would literally shit his pants if he could muster the courage to say it to my face off line. i would enjoy that moment and the repercussions of it :)

  • i really wonder what color the sky is in AICN progressoland lol.

  • cant wait!

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    ^will that^

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    whats up pa, mcgoo and baugh?

    by jay2517

    how goes it, fellas?

  • mrlongbaugh - hope you are well, as well, thanks.... I hope I don't guess the ending of Cabin!! I've been wanting to see it for a while and I'm putting it on in just a few - have fun tonight!!

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Thanks mrlongbaugh! How are you?

    by Paul

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo Thanks we try, we're not perfect by any means

    by Paul

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Hey Jay ho are you?

    by Paul

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    How are you

    by Paul

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    GODDAMMIT OBSERVERS

    by mongo126

    NOT DESMOND YOU BALD FUCKFACES NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    lol@Fringe

    by Deaft0ne

    Blondy McHotAss almost shot the Tomy Stark puppet head!

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Tony^

    by Deaft0ne

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST

    im doing great, pa! how about u?

    by jay2517

    had the shit fit when i went to get the pups their food out of the fence though LOL. a possum(?) was trapped in there and it was dark....so u do the math LOL!! gotta change my shorts lol.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    who is Tomy Stark? and who is Blondy McHotA$$?

    by AshokForgiven

    lol

  • BOR- 4.2 the dullard maddow- 1.2 THAT is a pretty big can of ass kicking. im sure Herc the fucking Hack updating this article as i type...

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Fringe Scavenger Hunt?

    by mongo126

    So, they have to track down tapes with instructions on how to assemble The Plan (i.e. The Machine)? Hmmmmmm.... I do love the character development they're doing with Etta. I'm sure there's an Olivia/Peter makeup episode coming....which I'm good with.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Man that was awesome

    by Paul

    The scene at the end with Etta and the Loyalist when she let him go and about how Olivia had affected them both really got to me. Looks like Desmonds not going to be coming back on the show again, well unless they go the Newton route, but then he was a shapeshifter. Looks like they're getting back into the scientific disease of the week with next weeks episode, which I welcome. I'm curious how many video tapes there are and how many episodes the hunt will stretch on. Also there weren't any hints about where the first one is on the tape, I'm curious how their going to find each one.

  • and seemed to know who she was that he didn't have her face on wanted posters plastered everywhere.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Gerogina Haig looks so much like Anna Torv in some shots

    by AshokForgiven

    Plus the age difference is just bizarre, lol.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Disscusion Question

    by Paul

    This plan that the Walter in the video tape mentioned, do you think that its something thatsomehow gets rid of the observers in the future and the series ends in the future with that world being rebuilt or do you think that it sends everyone back to before the Observers attacked so that they can stop them and then the series ends in normal time? Which do you think the creators have done and wwhich do you want to happen?

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST

    ashokforgiven

    by Paul

    Totally agree

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:37 a.m. CST

    I think

    by Michael Gunn

    That they do go back in time so The Observers can't get back there or something that will kill them when they get there. So that Peter and Olivia can finally raise their daughter.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:51 a.m. CST

    paburrows

    by mongo126

    I've said it on here before, but I really think Walter's plan for getting rid of the Observers is to build the Machine. Which, if you rewatch the season 3 finale, you learn that it not only bridges the two universes, it also travels through time. I don't know how they will use it to stop the Observers, but the last episode(s) will be the Fringe team dismantling the machine and sending the pieces back through time to begin(or close, depending on how you look at it) the total story arc of Fringe. ....at least that's what I really hope happens.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    One thing is missing from the Friday talk back......BOSS!

    by mongo126

    Another great season and can't wait to see what happened tonight. I do miss Ezra, but looking forward to full power Tom Kane.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Christ what happened to Kerry Washington?!

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

    She looks horrendously unhealthy.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    mongo126

    by Paul

    Thats very plausable, you hould read """the comic "Beyond the Fringe". Its all about Walter in the season 3 finale future sending Peter back to various period of time to plant the different machiene pieces and helping Sam Weisses Father or Grandfather start the ball rolling, then September meeting with him to explain his choice and how to make a different one. I would be a nice circle if thats what they are doing.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST

    michael gunn

    by Paul

    I'm wondering if the plan might be to just ether make the Observers (I keep almost typing "The Others" LOL) disappear from existance or sealing of their gate to get here or something.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    time travel conundrum

    by thepoohguy

    If they stop the observers from coming into power, doesn't that just mean that they would never have to build the machine in the first place? if in 2036, I build a machine that stops something happening in 2012, then when I get to 2036 I won't need to build a machine. Am I wrong with this?

  • have no understanding of how economics actually works and sadly, are the people that haven't learned from history. They will doom this generation to repeat the mistakes of the past.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    cozycozy- wouldn't yo rather talk about Fringe? I would...

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Was September's observer team more powerful?

    by Smerdyakov

    Because these rank and file observers in 2036 seem much easier to kill. Perhaps they don't all carry super-speed devices, for example.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    Fringe last night

    by skiprat1

    Yeah, I'd be interested to know more about the observers abilities. For example, the observers that stood next to Peter and Etta when they were breaking in to the science building - wouldn't they immediately know what they were up to via Peter's mind? Does Etta have some type of ability inherited from Olivia that allows her to mask her real thoughts? I thought that's what they were suggesting in Letters of Transit when the observer told her she always appeared exactly as expected (or something, I don't remember exactly). Also curious about what happened that day in the park when the observers appeared. Sounds like there's something that the observers did to children, or maybe specifically to Etta that hasn't been covered yet.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    What Cozycozy Meant

    by Marc Cerasini

    The unemployment numbers are culled from two sources: The PAYROLL NUMBERS, which are open and visible to the public and reflect actual data. They were right on target to RAISE the unemployment rate to 8.2 percent on Friday. The second source is THE HOUSEHOLD SURVEY...which is nothing but "random" phone calls, and like any poll this can be cooked. What apparently happened was a whole bunch of government workers who were temporarily laid off (Tax guys who work four months out of the year, etc.) were ordered BACK to work in Sept. Then THESE households were called for the HOUSEHOLD SURVEY and they all replied "Yeah, we were called back to work." Any "ramdom" phone poll can be baked, and these numbers surely are. Our future is being beggard by an incompetent empty suit. Didn't Obama say if he couldn't lower the unemployment rate to five or six percent he should be a one termer? I rest my case.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Anti-Obama people stop you have no ground to stand on...

    by Andrew Coleman

    You guys rant like lunatics and quote Nazi's and what not... Problem is though you guys made every excuse known to man for Bush. Dude cooked numbers, lied, made shit up... Yet all you guys did was say: "Uh he's the President have some respect!"... "He deserves another term" blah blah blah... Now Obama comes in and you people go fucking crazy. You're hypocrites. So stop it now. Your point has been made. You hate that the country is becoming less and less white. You hate that people aren't Nazi's so you're mad. That's fine. But stop it. Eight years of bull shit has made your anti-Obama nonsense tired. No excuses you backed one man who did everything wrong you can't then turn around and yelp about Obama. Back on topic... Fringe has been a lot of fun so far.

  • she is the progeny of people from 2 different versions of Earth - the Observers know this, and are manipulating events to cause her demise, without directly causing her demise- and they seem evil, because Etta exists, and shouldn't... Just a theory, based on what I am seeing and feeling, so far..... of course

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    @mcgootoo: Glad you enjoyed - Silat is an interesting...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...fighting style. I liked The Raid better than "Merantau" A suggestion if you haven't seen: Tony Jaa's 2005 "Tom-Yum-Goong" (released in the US as "The Protector") is wall-to-wall fights featuring not only Jaa's superb Muy-Thai moves vs. more conventional styles as wushu, but some more esoteric styles like Capoeira (Brazilian), a fave of mine that fuses percussion and fighting...and a funky instrument called a berimbau

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    hansvonhammer - Do you watch Fringe?

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    hansvonhammer - You don't know my world.

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    hansvonhammer -apparently, or did happen - big difference...

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    myphdisdoom and mcgootoo

    by Marc Cerasini

    myphdisdoom: Your attack didn't address the truth of my assertions. Also you don't KNOW my opinion of Bush because I never offered it. And saying Obama is okay because Bush was so bad is like saying you'd rather have syphilis than AIDS. BOTH can kill you, dude. mcgootoo: Sorry to say I have a low opinion of just about everything JJ Abrams is involved with. Lost was silly, and IMO JJ's Star Trek movie was worse than Shatner's--okay, maybe not WORSE, but too Star Wars. Why blow up Vulcan? Does Scotty need a cute alien sidekick? Kirk becomes Captain out of high school? It strains credibility. Hope the next ST is better, but I fear that's like waiting for a good 007 movie from Roger Moore.

  • And get ready for President Mitt Romney, baby.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by Paul

    That could be true about Etta dying, although I remember that a big deal was made about baby Henry on ether the show itself or a creator interview that baby Henry was erased because the coupling of Bolivia and Peter was not suposed to be and so to fix the timeline that relationship was erased and the results ie baby Henry was erased also and that the correct coupling was Peter and Olivia and their baby Etta. Now you could be correct that the Observers felt that Olivia and Peter were incorrect in their vision and that they need to get rid of Etta becuase of some reason.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Re : thepoohguy Time Travel

    by Real Deal

    Modern theory on the subject suggests ( and this real physics not fiction ) that if you could travel back in time you would actually be traveling back into a parallel reality that's like your own but without anything you could create a paradox with. We acctually livein a place where many chances or results based on actions exists in the same space. At any point you could turn left or right. In different realities you do both. The idea of stepping on a butterfly is actually wrong in that it's much worse than that. You just being there in the past when you weren't before creates a paradox. Hawking's idea that we don't have time travel because we'd be Inundated with travelers from the future is accurate in the sense that we live in a reality where it hasn't been invented. So if someone does and they go back in time they go back into a reality where it has. For them in that reality it happend that way and it always happened that way. No paradox. It's the real way causality works. Nature provides a safety valve in the form of a reality that's very much like the one you'd remember but maybe one where you weren't in it. The famous example of you going back to kill your grandfather therefore you don't exist in the future is a good illustration. You could go back and do the deed and future you go forward to from that moment would be based on those actions. Since you're not really from that reality you can still exist and there's no paradox. This is part of modern string theory. So if they stop the Observers the future after that is one where they don't come to power and no paradox because they weren't from this reality in the first place. It's why it isn't easy for the audience ( or Peter ) to understand what he's trying to describe because when you're dealing with things on the quantum level ( and basically everything is based on that ) common sense doesn't seem to comply. This is illustrated in the double slit experiment. One possible solution for this might be we are actually seeing both realities or outcomes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ADouble-slit_experiment

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Also : Double slit Experiment

    by Real Deal

    http://doubleslitexperiment.com/

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I agree with mongo126!

    by MeepleMopper

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Yahtzee

    by Ninja Nerd

    Fringe is the best science fiction show to date. Heroes, Lost, and a few others had potential then ran off the rails. John Noble, and very good to Hugo-worthy writing, have made Fringe the standard, IMO. While I am sorry this is the last season, I think the show will end a great ride for lots of us and be regarded like the series ender for M*A*S*H...nearly perfect. Yahtzee.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    desmonds head.

    by Rakesh Patel

    i'm sad brother.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Obama is pretty fucking hopeless

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    Bit then ol' Mittens isn't any better. <P> Poor America. Your decision in November is just as tragic as choosing whether or not to chop off an arm or a leg.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Saturday Talk Back

    by Waspo

    We have New Turtles, Green Lantern, Clone Wars, and Young Justice. We need a Saturday talk. Herc in the Radio is nice, but another talk back is better.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    The bright side to this being the last season

    by mongo126

    is that we get a final season. To be honest, it needed to end at some point. I'd rather it leave on fresh legs and in a blaze of glory rather than sputter to an end like the X Files.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Speaking of the X Files

    by mongo126

    (off topic, but....) Has Cris Carter...or anybody ever come up with a cohesive explanation of the Super Soldiers, black oil, bees, a CSM all tied together? Do they?

  • It was frustrating, but the show was enjoyable despite this huge shortcoming. Fringe seems to have learned how to do it right, from that sort of misstep.

  • I want to include Clone Wars, but I missed seeing it from the beginning, so I do not watch it regularly. The few episodes I have seen, though, have been very entertaining. Do you also watch The Avengers on Sunday morning? Also an excellent show, always dramatic and involving with great use of the Marvel Universe characters.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    RE:Speaking of the X Files

    by JonBrad

    I think that Chris Carter was expecting that the X-Files would become a movie franchise. Might have been possible if the movies came out swift on the cancellation of the series and frequently. Also...the second movie which did nothing to further the mythos didn't help.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    RE: Head Observer recognising Anna.

    by JonBrad

    Yeah paburrows_rises , that bugged me too. I'm one of those kind of guys who looks for any breadcrumb to cover up an inconsistency but I couldn't find one for this. Also...Has there been any explanation as to why the Observers picked the year they did for their invasion? I'm willing to accept the idea that they wanted the present population to reach a specific technological point With their telepathic abilities though, wouldn't it have made more sense to go go back to Pre-Industrial revolution, conquer the smaller population and teach how to build the technology they want.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 9 p.m. CST

    Jonbrad - Observer thoughts

    by Ninja Nerd

    I also wondered about the timing, and why the Observers didn't know or perhaps anticipate Walter had made the video, and lots of little things. The 'torture' device, and the comment about the Observers using it to prepare for time travel, made me think that they have limits - they can't be everywhere, at any time. And based on Peter and Walter's whole story, there may be some kind of cosmic karma, or equilibrium that resists even Observers' attempts to screw around too much. Walter's plan may in some way depend on that balancing effect...who knows? Regardless, the overall quality of Fringe lets me forgive minor inconsistencies.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    @jonbrad

    by ShadowVision

    That was a similar question I brought up last week about their motivations. You would think that they would have started their plans for conquest a lot earlier than they did.

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    @jonbrad

    by Jared Parker

    her name is ETTA!

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST

    mongo-yay someone who wants to talk about boss!

    by jsfithaca

    man ross really fucked over kane last night! and that intern guy really is a schemer, i wonder if he's ever gonna get fucked over for his shenanagins, maybe by that black guy?

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST

    having watched loooper

    by Rakesh Patel

    i realise that story could have been a fringe plot and fringe would have done it better.,

  • Oct. 7, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    jsfithaca we can talk about Boss

    by mongo126

    Kane is all about the long term. He knows that you're going to lose some battles, but he's always got a backup plan. I'm still wondering if Kitty is going to flip on Walsh to get back in Kane's good graces. Is it me, or does that newspaper guy just need a brick in the face? Such a great show, should get more recognition that it does.

  • I was disappointed with the end of "Prometheus"

  • ...not sure who that tool was, but the idea folks are still resisting climate science at this point is completely ridiculous

  • Broun serves on the House Science Committee, which came under scrutiny recently after another one of its Republican members, Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO), suggested that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses against pregnancy: http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/rep-paul-broun-r-ga-evolution-big-bang-lies-straight-from-the-pit-of-hell.php

  • Oct. 8, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I bet Fringe ends

    by Tony W

    with that scene in the park when the Observers appear. Except this time Peter and Olivia have this curious look about them, they look at each other, smile, then look in the direction of where the observers appeared, but they don't appear.