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The Most Interesting Part of the Debates Last Night... LINCOLN television trailer...

Hey folks, Harry here...   I'm not gonna get all political on ya, you know I'm sane & you're crazy or that you're a genius like me and they're all fools... or maybe you're sane and I'm wacky, but however reality boils down, there was very little to no greatness seen on the scheduled program, but that can not be said about the ads.   Now we may not agree on what we saw during the debate, I think we can all agree that this looks absolutely fantastic.   Here's the LINCOLN spot that aired during the first 2012 Presidential Debate - and it's a doozy!

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  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    George Washington



  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST


    by GrapeFruit

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST


    by JethroBodine

    BITCHEZ! HA HA HA HA HAHA! HARRY! That was good. Made me giggle.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    I'd vote for him.

    by Mr. Pricklepants

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Oh. Hell. Yes.

    by UltimaRex

    That is (almost) all.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST


    by Green Arrow

    Where is his axe?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:35 a.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis for Lex Luthor.

    by UltimaRex


  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST

    On the election...

    by UltimaRex

    Obama took care of Bin Laden. Romney can't even take care of his own dog. Who are you going to vote for?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST


    by henrydalton

    DRAMATICS!!! Kinda wanted it to cut to Brick saying 'LOUD NOISES!!' in the middle...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:12 a.m. CST

    "Closed in immense power!"...

    by Darkness

    This man had more balls than the fame-hungry, lame-ass leaders we have today...Superb, validated show of craftmanship from old Daniel Day. The trailer worked much better this time round: it opened up the performances more, instead of lingering pensively on scenes of exposition. If Barack does not recieve another term from voters, and considering George. W did, then there is something very disfunctional about this US of A. Romney looks insincere and snake-like. Hell, maybe Daniel Day Lewis could be the next president elect - He was more convincing than the present crop.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    And HenryDalton, a bit of Brick Tamland humour is always appreciated.

    by ChaunceyGardiner

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    He might as well write his Oscar speech now

    by Joe

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Looked fantastic

    by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie

    How Obama got his ass handed to him.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Now, now, NOW!

    by TinDrummer

    That is all.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:55 a.m. CST

    power does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    Its *clothed* in immense power! Although the ability to clothe a president is insignificant next to the power of the dojo. (I find your lack of faith disturbing)

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    ultimarex the Navy Seals took care of Bin Laden...

    by Jeremy Wolfe

    and then Obama lied about how it went down. If you don't have the cajones to strap a dog to the top of your car then you have no business running for President. Those are just the kind of brass balls we need from the leader of the free world.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    archibald: that's "Clothed in immense power," not "closed"

    by Monnie Knapp

    Anticipation is high on this one. There is no bad Daniel Day Lewis performance, and Spielberg appears to be in classic form. The supporting cast looks incredible as well. It looks like we're gonna get a moving and memorable film experience. As far as that debate goes... I'd call it a draw, neither one of them said anything new or substantive.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Lincoln eh?

    by Lacloake

    They sure don't make 'em like that anymore...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Oh Hell yes!

    by NzYme

    I cannot wait to see this. D.D. Lewis looks fucking great in this!

  • I wish Spielberg would come back to making fun popcorn adventure movies. These huge IMPORTANT STATEMENT Oscar bait movies are getting a bit "samey."

  • I wish Spielberg would come back to making fun popcorn adventure movies. These huge IMPORTANT STATEMENT Oscar bait movies are getting a bit "samey."

  • Oh, and Lincoln didn't give a fuck about the slaves, he freed them for his own political reasons. He wrote about it many times.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    The very SAME DDLewis performance we always get, gruntybear?

    by D.Vader

    I guess if by "SAME" you mean "fantastic and different", then yes, his performances are the "same" every time.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Definitely better than the theatrical trailer

    by D.Vader

  • All that's going to do is incite another boring debate where everyone uses absolutes and blacks and whites instead of shades of grey. Yes, Lincoln did what he could to keep the Union together, but to state unequivocally that he "didn't give a fuck about the slaves" is just wrong.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Jackie Early Hailey rocks

    by Joe

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    *Oh, and Lincoln didn't give a fuck about the slaves, he freed them for his own political reasons. He wrote about it many times. * And Spielberg is making a movie. A movie that has to entertain for 2 hours - a mans whole life biography condensed into that time, but still with a through line, a stimulating plot. Beginning, middle and resolution. First and foremost you have to make a good movie. People like yourself who want the warts and all details about a mans life shouldnt look for absolute truth from a film - its simply not a medium that can provide that. Get a big fat 1000 page book on Lincoln instead.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Definitely better then the Theatrical trailer but..

    by MainMan2001 this is a weird film. I don't know. It looks like it's gonna be really fucking boring. The more intense the trailer gets the more I can see it being boring. IDK, man I wanna like it.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Can't wait.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    You people still watch on Network

    by Himbo

    You crazy. Watching it on CSPAN is the only thing that makes debates and conventions remotely palatable. Anyway, I don't have any desire to see Lincoln. Should I just watch Super8 on Netflix?

  • And anything that may inspire patriotism, however fleeting, well FUCK THAT.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Watching TAKEN 2 tonight

    by Joe

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Taylorkitshs, Lincoln is actually loved around the world

    by mistergreen

    His Gettysburg address is memorized by kids in china. So it should do pretty good coinage.

  • Eventually Lincoln came to the conclusion that slavery was a great evil but that didnt mean he believed in grandiose ideas of full equality and "millions to come". This won't stop my butt from being in a seat on opening day though. I look forward to seeing the Civil War s endgame enfold in front of me.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST


    by whatevillurks

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I counted about 19 table smacks. Am I off?

    by AdrianVeidt


  • Sally Field was a horrible person to have in this, I can see her character now, just fucking stupid! These trailer's want this movie to look SO damn important, wish they'd make a subtler one that wasn't filled with cheeseball one liners. Still praying for a good movie, but losing faith fast. BRING IT!!!

  • The first trailer was a bit more ensemble-cast, which already made this must-see for me, while this one was decidedly more DDL-centric. And that truly sealed the deal as far as I am concerned. And who the hell composed the trailer music?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    If anything comes out of this Oscar wise

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I hope John Williams finally wins another Oscar. If they can give Meryl Streep a pity Oscar for that horrible Margaret Thatcher movie, Williams whose been nominated a billion times and only one 5 times deserves another one.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    do not take the mindless haters seriously

    by Monnie Knapp

    It's ok to like this trailer and be excited about this movie. It's ok to venerate an important historical figure on film. I would assume that The Beard would not present Lincoln as an ardent abolitionist, and Lewis wouldn't play the role that shallowly. Let's all say it together now, 'cause it's the same old refrain: actually watch the film before branding it as shit...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Ironic how

    by Steve Lamarre

    Democrat President Obama, in values and principles, has become closer to Republican President Lincoln than any other Republican alive today.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    If this wasn't Spielberg and DDL

    by Shabado

    These trailers would be getting laughed at by and large. It's comical.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ, it's like you guys have never seen a John Ford picture

    by Monnie Knapp

    This movie is gonna be grandiose, intense, and larger than life. Old school Victor Fleming shit. You should at least give this film a try.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis as Dr Strange

    by deelzbub

    That's what we need

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST


    by UltimaRex

    Thanks man, that's exactly the type of LOL I was looking for. Now run before PETA catch you!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Lincoln didn't care about the slaves.

    by BlueLando

    And? He still freed them. Look, politics is NOT about caring about issues. It's about enforcing policy that's a hybrid between what THEY want and what the PEOPLE want. It doesn't matter whether The President has political motives, if he/she instills positive change then guess what? IT'S A GOOD THING. Or do you actually think politicians cared about womens rights, civil rights, or even gay rights? They care only so long as the people care.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    So... what's with the music?

    by David Franklin

    It's like the editors thought they were cutting the trailer for a Transformers movie. Nothing subtle here... I will reserve judgement on the ACTUAL movie til I see it... on DVD... or Netflix. Did 'The Iron Lady' do any business outside of the UK?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST


    by Atticus Finch

    Does this film include the assassination or no?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Hell show 'em Abe!

    by Michael Tyree

    Idiotic notions about "states rights" my ass. Yeah, the right to own slaves. I'm a Southerner and I thank the Good Lord every day that we had such a far sighted man leading this country during the Civil War. Otherwise, guess we wouldn't have a "country." If only women's rights could've advanced at the same pace as ending slavery. Wow! Looks like another wonderful flick from Stevie. I think Lewis's accent is kinda cute with that little bit of squeak he gives it. Count my butt in a theatre on opening day.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Like trying to herd brain damaged cats made of jello

    by David Duchovny

    Who in the fuck would want this job

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Clothed in Immense Power!!

    by Deep Roots

    then that crash of music at the title? Good trailer moment.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    hahahahahaha this movie will be terrible!!!! Worse than War Horse!!!!

    by golden tribw

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Seriously? Lincoln "didn't give a fuck about the slaves"?

    by Sultan_of_San_Diego

    Get off your lazy cynical ass and google the the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which happened before he became president. He was a champion for the abolishment of slavery, but couldn't take that extreme (at the time) position when he assumed the presidency because it would alienate the neutral states where slavery existed but which were needed to side with the North in the Civil War. When the time was right, and the war near an end -- that was when he decided to drop the hammer he had been holding the entire time and free the slaves. Don't breed ignorance by making assnine statements, particularly about one of the greatest men the world has ever seen.

  • Speilberg like Lucas like Scorsesse can no longer make a decent movie.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST


    by tom_quinn

    I love many of the collaborations Spielberg and Janusz Kamiński have done, but I feel it's time to break up and try someone new. War Horse had a theatrical lighting feel that made it very hard for me to watch the film - to the point that you could see lights moving over actors faces outside in daylight scenes. The wide shot of Lincoln saying "Now, Now, Now" is a good example as the shadow of his hand moves over his face. It does not look like a room source, it looks like a movie light source and really takes me out of the film. I know these films are throwbacks in a way to John Ford and I really appreciate that, in War Horse it felt self-conscious like parody (Crystal Skull's lighting did as well). Spielberg tends to go big (which I have always liked) and Williams goes big (which often works), but when the cinematography also goes so big and so loud I think the combination is too much. It looks phony instead of cinematic, which I say with a great deal of modesty as many of the shots are also f'in beautiful, but it's like they are lit to the point that no one can move naturally. He's an incredible DP and Spielberg is the director of our time, but I think it'd be great to see them shake it up.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    we may not all agree on what we saw in the debate...

    by Arcadian

    Seriously and objectively, if anyone thinks that Romney did NOT handily win that debate, is entirely delusional.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    I still can't see Daniel Day Lewis. Only Abraham Lincoln.

    by Christian Sylvain

    I'm convinced.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST

    I am a Obama supporter and 5 mins in

    by eric haislar

    I knew he was not going to win this debate. It was like he was on autopilot. Jim Lehrer didn't help by letting both candidates just drone on and on.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Looks good

    by Andrew Coleman

    That is all.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    PARTY ON DUDES!!!!!!!!

    by JP

  • And you know what I mean.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    What I saw ...

    by Todaysfate

    What I saw was two men,both nice guys, both concerned, both reasonably aware, reasonably hopeful, both knowing that can't do a damn thing to reverse the downward spiral this country is in. I still wonder why anyone in their right mind wants the job of president anymore.

  • I remember thinking Spielberg had pretty much lost me and then Munich came the fuck out of nowhere. All of a sudden, it was like he reinvented himself again and made one his most mature and complex works. Now this certainly looks more Amistad and War Horse, but maybe the script and acting will be so good that all Spielberg has to do is shoot it good. and if there is one thing the man can do, it's shoot a movie.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    bluelando= Ignorant twat

    by DoctorWho?

    I'll just echo the other poster by telling you to generate just one molecule of curiosity in your dull and sluggish brain and read some basic history. It's not even like you have to drive to the library anymore...just fucking Google something. Idiot.<p> If anyone ever has the chance to visit the Lincoln Memorial in D.C., take the stairs down to the small museum directly beneath it. Read those Lincoln quotes all over the walls of the museum... (in big letters for idiots like bluelando who don't want to make the effort to physically crack a book)...and tell me Lincoln "didn't care about the slaves". I've been there twice and was moved to tears each time. He was the best.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Needs a giant mechanical spider.

    by Royston Lodge

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    looks fucking digital to me what the hell

    by JAMF

  • doctorwho just said it best "read some books" yeah... all we know of him is from history books... so imagine if hitler won the war, people in my country would grow up being taught he was a hero. once a person is long dead we really don't know what they were like in private and even records of what they did in public can be manipulated.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Actually, Harry, the debate WAS interesting...

    by Chris Moody anyone who loves this country. Mitt Romney explained exactly why four years of Obama has been a failure. That said: The trailer was very cool! I can't wait to see this film!

  • I would rather "see" Lincoln as he was than yet another "interpretation."

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST


    by Chris Moody

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Is it wrong that I feel like it's a sequel to Amistad?

    by Drath

    Also I can't believe people still bring up wanting freedom "from" religion like that is a reasonable interpretation of "freedom of religion." Oh wait, no, I can believe it, it just makes me sick.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Spielberg is so heavy handed.

    by knowthyself

    Jesus the self importance is oozing out of every orifice in this film.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Why does abe lincoln look like Kramer?

    by knowthyself

    He looks like Kramer.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    weird voice

    by taff

    My understanding is that Lincoln really did have a high voice like the one in the movie. Still sounds weird. Probably because I grew up thinking Lincoln sounded like Henry Fonda...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    The Millions to come quote...

    by glenn

    Is taken directly from a quote by Lincoln when he was wrestling with congress to get the constitutional amendment abolishing slavery passed. It required a two thirds vote and there were two votes lacking. He sent for two members of congress and told them that it must be procured. When asked how, Lincoln said: "I am President of the United States clothed with great power. The abolition of slavery by constitutional provision settles the fate for all coming time. Not only for the millions now in bondage but for the unborn millions to come - a measure of such importance that those two votes must be procured. I leave it to you to determine how it shall be done; but remember that I am President of the United States, clothed with immense power, and I expect you to procure those votes"

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I love War Horse

    by David Duchovny

    I would challenge haters on here to watch it again. A lot of themes there that aren't obvious on first viewing. Also, just look at the technical mastery on display. Kubrick couldn't have shot that movie better. He directed the hell out of it. I'm DDL's whore man, so I think this looks amazing as well. Not getting the hate for these most recent films. He's obviously been watching a ton of John Ford again like he was when he was making ET. Lighting is the give away.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    You're a fool...

    by 9000rpm

    ...if you think this silly trailer was the most interesting part of the debates. Obama had his ass handed to him. More important than a dozen Hollyweird biopics.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    @ whatevillurks:

    by Chris Moody

    Bullshit. I am black man, lived in the south for a while and have traveled throughout the south. Your stupid stereotype is so full of shit that I think it is oozing out of your keyboard.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Trailer looks great.

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    Really like what DDL is doing with Lincoln's voice. His body language, character and commitment just resonate for power, even though his speaking voice was supposed to be high and unpleasant. Just amazing. Harry, I'm not sure you watched the same debate I did. Maybe you zipped forward in time and watched the VP debate, which will be entertaining if only to hear Biden. Hope he remembers what state he's in.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Ah, the HANS ZIMMER trailer!!!!

    by darthpigman

  • Many still hate him down here. If you think about it, it wasn't that long ago. There is a youtube clip of one of the assassination witnesses on a game show.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    re: Obama took care of Bin Laden.

    by Blowfly73

    Obama took care of Bin Laden. Romney can't even take care of his own dog. Who are you going to vote for? Actually...Obama ate Romney's dog

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    I'm an ignorant twat?

    by BlueLando

    Try reading my post, dickhead. I say it's irrelevent what Lincoln believed, all that matters is what he did. Which was push for the abolition of slavery. Whether he cared about slavery IS irrelevent - he did something to stop it. If you can read into that that I'm ignorant, then goody fucking gumdrops. I don't really care what he believed, what he did was a tremendous step forward for human rights.

  • A few over-looked facts. Only the wealthy owned slaves. Most southerners were poor. There was no middle class. Rich and poor, all southerners hated the north for its condescension. The south wanted to by-pass the north and purchase its good from Europe and Great Britain. The north couldn't let that happen.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    goods from Europe . . .

    by deelzbub

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST

    the Civil War was fought due to a confluence of many factors

    by Monnie Knapp

    To try to pin it on any one issue is to demonstrate a less than complete understanding of the conflict. To claim it was not fought over slavery is just as ignorant as saying it was only fought over slavery. This was a many faceted war, which deserves to be continuously reexamined and its influence on American (and world) history cannot be overstated. Even though this will be the Hollywood version, I look forward to revisiting the material

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Doesn't this movie end with a theater shooting?

    by KongMonkey


  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST


    by David Franklin


  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by requus

    I didn't know it was Jim Lehrer's job to help Obama. Now that I know that, ...damn...he really blew it.

  • Historical Guys with little grasp of ethics ending up going all the way to the hilt in heavy duty righteous deeds in a all the same type of way? I don't know, filmwise it might be some kind of sequel to Schindler's List as much as anything else. Lincoln was abit of a mystery wasn't he? Probably those vampires battles kept him a closed book all the same. All those top hats are pretty cool!!!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST


    by Glenn

    Frame by frame the ending credits: Michael Kahn is credited twice! Once after John Williams, once after Kaminski... Must've rushed this.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST


    by Monnie Knapp

    It wasn't Lehrer's job to help President Obama, but he was supposed to maintain a structured debate. Both candidates trampled all over his "can't get a word in edgewise" ass.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST


    by IronEagle74

    Obama didn't kill bin Laden. The CIA did the hard work finding out where he was, risking their lives in the process. The Seal team did their job taking him out. Obama only did what any other President would have done. He made the right call, and deserves credit for that I suppose, but don't go overboard with your praise. He did nothing special. It was, after all, Bush's policies that he implemented that finally led to us finding bin Laden and killing him. It just didn't happen while Bush was still in office. By the way, have you not noticed how much deeper Obama has gotten this country into debt? Have you not noticed that unemployment is still above 8% today? You and people like you need to pull your heads out of your asses.

  • These fellas are pretty damn similar, and things really won't change regardless of the election's result. I still think the President is gonna win (he obviously slow-played his hand last night, to his detriment), but anything could happen over the next month. I personally will not be effected one way or the other, as i live in North Dakota, and our economy is awesome with plenty of jobs to spare. We literally have billions in surplus. Of course, it also snowed heavily today, so there is a downside.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    You're right jamf...

    by DoctorWho?

    Fuck it. Why read ANY history or written accounts of ANYTHING. It's all either made up, re-written or doctored. Hell, this guy Lincoln probably didn't even exist!!! Mind blown! <p> Go live in a cave nihilist.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    the only reason i need to vote for (oven) mitt

    by duke of url

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST


    by vic twenty

    "Obama only did what any other President would have done." Well, not Mitt Romney. He said he could not get behind American forces entering a sovereign nation, an ally, too big a risk. BTW, the point will be moot if Romney handles the POTUS as he did last night in the next 2 debates. That wasn't even close. When David Axelrod can make a better case for Obama than Obama can, you might be in trouble.

  • Then get on your fucking knees and show some goddamn respect.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Re: Lincoln looking like Kramer (pic)

    by Shabado Now that movie I'd watch! Kramer moment in the trailer at 1:51 *Slaps money down on table* I'm out! I'm out of the contest!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Maybe black people would finally forgive Michael Richards.

    by Baked

    Just kidding. I'm the only black person who even knows who he is.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST


    by E

    reason Harry didn't get political is because his boy O got trounced! At any rate, while this film looks pretty damn good, does seem a bit heavy-handed & self important. I'll watch it regardless, DDL can do wrong.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Baked, we ALL know who Michael Richards is...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    And I never held his rant against him in the first place. Doing stand-up's hard.

  • I remember a tour guide saying that on a 5th grade trip to D.C.... totally blew my mind. Then a few years ago I saw this quote: "Before being killed, Lincoln was in Monroe, Maryland, while Kennedy was in Marilyn Monroe." heh.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Clothed in immense power

    by BBSloth

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    All you damned X Generationers and your swaying political opinions

    by Balkin Flabgurter

    How can anybody believe Romney? As soon as he gets into office it will be: Belligerence level +60 Hawk Lobby Policy initiated Authoritarian +3 Democratic -4 +5 towards closed society

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST


    by josh hubanks

    This looks like some epic-ass, ass-epic shit. Go Beard, Go DDL. Yes.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Actually you're both wrong

    by Matt

    Lincoln didn't really know what to do about slavery. The idea of freeing slaves as they were didn't actually occur to Lincoln as the correct course of action until much after the Douglas debates. He had no idea how to fix the problem of slavery. One idea was to ship them back to Africa. He saw it as a problem for the country but he didn't see it as a problem on racial terms more as an economic and political problem. At times Lincoln could even be quite racist by today's standards. He regularly used the word "nigger" in conversation. He was very much still a product of his era. He did not have much contact with African Americans until later in his career. That's when his ideas began to change and form into what they became. What made Lincoln great was his ability to change over time. His ability to learn, his intelligence, and his deep love for the idea of what this country is supposed to be.

  • Hard to hear another take on Lincoln, after Waterson's great emoting in Ken Burn's "The Civil War". His friggin' reading of the Gettysburg Address brings tears to my eyes every time.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Lincoln wanted to free the slaves AND expel them from the country

    by spire_walk

    Ever wonder how Liberia was created? Lincoln was a Free-Soiler, not exactly an abolitionist as much as not wanting cheap black slave labor diluting the job market in the western territories/states. Abolitionists were only a part of a coalition of themselves, free soilers, and Industrial protectionism through tariff. He was elected because he promised people fucking job protection from slave labor and cheaper foreign imports. Lincoln's ultimate goal was to remove all blacks from the United States by either sending them back to Africa or down to Latin America. He never quite grasped the mathematics of deporting 3 million or so people.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST

    oops, meant to type "Waterston".

    by tritium

    me bad, sorry Sam.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis as the Joker in Batman Reboot

    by ass clown

    If not the Joker, just cast him as whatever villain is to be used (Riddler, Clock King, Clayface, Black Mask, the Penguin, Mr Freeze, Egghead)

  • A lot easier to see what his opinions are when you hear him actually say them in private to friends and political peers.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Lincoln's changing opinions

    by deelzbub A very intelligent discussion about Lincoln @ the bottom of the page in the comments section

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1 a.m. CST

    Yeah. Just hand the Oscar to him now.

    by AnnoyYou

    Who else will be able to touch DDL this year? Joaquin Phoenix is anathema to the Academy (too weird, too outre). They'll never give an acting Oscar to Affleck or Jackman. So who's left? Hanks? My boy John Hawkes is a dark horse, but I doubt he'd be able to overtake DDL.

  • ....he would choose to preserve the Union, and say fuck the slaves and their freedom. Enough with the revisionist bullshit. Lincoln was more of a pragmatist than an idealist not in philosophy and deed, and he knew the slaves would be better off in a United States even with slavery preserved than in a separate Confedaracy of Southern states (which, by virtue of the fact that they were poorer, would lean even harder on the slaves and make their lives ten times more miserable if that's even possible). So in a twisted way, he was trying to do right by the slaves even by proposing to keep slavery just to keep the South in the Union, where they would have the North keeping watch over them. But enough with the proclamation of Emancipation sanitized bullshit. Show Lincoln for the pragmatist he was - warts and all - and spare us the idealized and lionized version that bears little resemblance to the man and does no justice to this memory.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:50 a.m. CST

    How about Tommy Lee Jones?

    by schlockthemonkey

    Nice to see him actually acting. It's like he's been phoning it in for the last 15 years.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    a retooling of American history

    by vosborne951

    DDL as Malcolm X

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Mahgra kae, that "admittance" was politician speech

    by D.Vader

    In other words, he was saying that to try to appease the Southern and neutral states. But deep down, yes he was trying to free the slaves. Otherwise, he wouldn't have offered the southern states money in exchange for their freedom. You're right, enough with the "revisionist bullshit", particularly with this idea that Lincoln didn't care about the slaves.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to it.

    by disfigurehead

  • The commie marxist is going down boys. See you next month.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Four score ago...

    by Darth Macchio

    Looking forward to this greatly...DDL is like the greatest actor that most mainstream audiences still don't know by name yet. It's not like other character actors disappear into their roles and Day-Lewis does it so completely and so perfectly that it's spellbinding to watch even beyond the story and film on the screen. I was stunned by Christian Bale's weight loss for The Machinist (especially after just seeing Dark Knight - is the guy filled with air or something?) but Day-Lewis's transformations are seemingly complete and total...internal and external (as much as can be anyway).