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Published at: Oct. 3, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST by hercules

President Obama and Governor Romney debate in Denver tonight domestic policy, something about which the great Samuel L. Jackson has much to say:


You heard Sam! Mitt will cut that shit in a second!! 

 

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“Modern Family” re-emerged as TV’s top scripted series last Wednesday (“Big Bang Theory’s” premiere the next day only hit a 5.0).

NBC’s “Animal Practice” and “Guys With Kids” predictably emerged as the night’s least-watched shows on the Big Four.

Wednesdays, July 25-Sept. 26, 2012
(adults 18-49; older weeks in parentheses; repeats in gray)
5.5 (1.6) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.3) (1.2) (1.0) (1.4) Modern Family
3.4 (3.6) (3.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The X Factor
3.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Neighbors
3.1 (---) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.3) (1.2) (0.9) (1.1) (1.0) Criminal Minds
3.1 (3.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Survivor
2.9 (1.1) (0.9) (1.0) (0.9) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (0.8) (0.8) The Middle
2.5 (---) (1.3) (---) (---) (1.1) (1.0) (0.7) (0.8) (1.2) CSI
2.1 (1.2) (---) (---) (---) (1.2) (1.2) (---) (---) (---) Law & Order SVU
1.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Guys With Kids
1.5 (0.7) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Revenge
1.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Animal Practice
1.4 (1.0) (1.1) (1.1) (1.3) (1.1) (0.9) (0.8) (---) (---) Honey Boo Boo
1.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) South Park
0.8 (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Challenge
0.7 (0.7) (0.7) (0.6) (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) Restaurant Impossible
0.6 (0.6) (0.5) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Ghost Hunters
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Key & Peele
0.6 (0.6) (0.7) (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Restaurant Stakeout
0.6 (0.6) (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Sons of Guns
0.5 (0.6) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) American Restoration
0.5 (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (0.3) (0.4) (0.6) Cajun Pawn Stars
0.5 (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.6) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.4) (---) Colbert Report
0.5 (0.5) (0.5) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.3) (---) Conan
0.5 (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Operation Repo
0.5 (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.5) (0.5) (---) (---) Paranormal Witness
0.5 (0.7) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) South Beach Tow
0.5 (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) (0.3) (0.4) (0.5) Top Chef Masters
0.4 (0.7) (0.7) (0.5) (0.8) (0.7) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) American Hoggers
0.4 (0.4) (0.5) (---) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.4) (---) (---) Auction Hunters
0.4 (0.5) (0.4) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.6) (0.4) (---) (---) House Hunters Intl
0.4 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.5) (---) (---) (---) Oh Sit!
0.4 (0.6) (0.7) (0.6) (1.0) (1.0) (0.9) (---) (---) (---) Storage Wars Texas
0.4 (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (0.2) (---) The O’Reilly Factor
0.3 (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.7) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) Hannity
0.3 (0.5) (0.5) (0.5) (0.6) (0.4) (0.6) (0.4) (0.3) (---) House Hunters
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rachel Maddow
0.3 (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) Supernatural

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  • Oct. 3, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    test

    by xega

    test

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Lol - here we go!

    by Judge Briggs

    Bring dem right-wing 'facts' ... Jay and everyone else who lives in an alternate reality that is Fox 'News' and right-wing radio. Oh and Obama has gots this. Imagine this: after Obama completes a second term, what that will look like when Bill and Obama stump for the Democratic candidate (hopefully Hillary). That will be powerful.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    This talkback is about get CRAZY! Keep on trolling , Herc, you magnificent bastard!

    by Mr. Voodoo Potato Head

    Supernatural + South Park = best night of TV.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Why was Supernatural switched to Wednesday nights?

    by Judge Briggs

    I am making it through season 7 right now via Netflix ... Cass just got his memory back ... great episode and cool montage of him doing so.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    I assumed this post was old and filled with nutter rage by now.

    by Chairman_Kaga

    I'm glad to see I get in on the ground floor.

  • I'm going to check in tonight to see how it's going. I love you guys!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Great news for Romney fans!

    by Hercules

    Rasmussen has Gov. Romney trailing President Obama by only two points! http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

  • I just checked the listings to make sure Garbage was on Kimmel and it wasn't simply Hercules editorializing. He also has Amy Poehler on tonight. but he forgot one: Keanu on FERGUSON!! (am I wrong in thinking Keanu doing a talk show is a rare event?)

  • It seems like he can't go one day without injuring himself. Could he be the first player in Survivor history to be evacuated twice from the game?

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    A vote this loaded is always close.

    by UltimaRex

    Ten geek points to whoever gets the movie.

  • wake the fuck up indeed!

  • Keep her out of bikinis too.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    As for the debates...

    by Dan

    Obama will spew his usual lies and no one will say any different. Romney will fail to make his "case" and everyone will say he's already lost.... Geez.... if Obama wins though, this country's economic and moral future is fucked beyond belief and the Muslim threat will only increase...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The Return Of SUPERNATURAL!!

    by jim

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I thought it needed a few more of those)

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    re: "Ten geek points to whoever gets the movie."

    by jim

    Is that a good thing, or is it a trap? (I do know it but I had to look it up, so I'll let someone else fall into the..., uh, I mean, win the points)

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    judge briggs

    by Marc Cerasini

    This stull about Fox News and right-wingers sure is tired. No objection from you that MSNBC, ABC, See BS, CNN regularly employ former shills and Democrat operatives like Steffie Stephanopoulos or Chris Matthews. Your outrage is selective and only goes one way. Hurm...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Romney v Obama

    by NudeandAroused

    Seriously? The 47 per cent speech should show everyone just how much of a "help" he would be. By the way, he will cut taxes on the wealthy (i.e. job creators), destroy medicare, health care and every other domestic aid the country has had since the 1930s, and he will increase defense spending. All that, and he will bomb Iran? Obama has done the following.... 1. Saved the banking industry 2. Saved Wall Street 3. Saved the auto industry. 4. Saved the Housing industry. 5, Finally brought healthcare reform to the US. I would love to hear republicans say if they truly believe that healthcare is fair and equitable today. Do you truly believe that if you were shot in the head (like Congresswoman Giffords) you would get the same treatment as she did? 5. Ended Iraq 6. About to end Afghanistan. Both Iraq and Afghanistan were Republican wars of choice. Both of which added uncounted trillions to our debt, killed hundreds of thousands of people, maimed veterans, and created animosity towards the United States throughout the arab world. 7. Killed Bin Laden (Remember him?) The man Bush said was irrelevant? Romney will bring back the same business that Reagan, Bush and all the other Republicans did for the past 30 years. If you believe that women can't choose what goes on in their bodies, the world is flat, we all came from God, and there is "legitimate rape" you know who to vote for. Enough of my political soapbox. Herc, is "Castiel" going to a regular on "Supernatural" this season?

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    We are screwed either way

    by Craig2574

    I could care less who wins as we are screwed either way. We are way to arrogant in this county and seem to think that we will always be number one. We are doomed either way because our tax code will not be changed as it favors people with power and not a smaller company. Large companies have an IRS agent on their property all the time to check for compliance. The company I work for has been in compliance with the health care law already but a smaller company is not there yet. A simple tax code with almost zero deductions will get more money our of huge companies (Like GE) and make it easier for a small company to get produce more revenue and pay less in taxes. The debates are a joke because you already know that each candidate will say as they have been saying the same thing for quite a while now. Obama is not as big spender as the right claims (The budget deficit got so large mostly because there has been zero growth) and the job creation right now can barley keep up with population growth. One other point the job losses slowed down because companies let people go late in 2008 into early 2009 was until they could find the place where they could be productive with a smaller amount of employees. Nothing will change in 4 years. We are about to head over the fiscal cliff. Obama is one of the problems but this has been building up 50 years.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Garbage on Kimmel?

    by Marc Cerasini

    What's new about that? And what makes Samuel Jackson "great?" His Kangol hat? He's not an actor, he's a shouter. I thought Jackson was spoofed perfectly in the 21 JUMP STREET movie: "I'm a black man. I'm an angry black man. Sometimes you got to embrace your stereotype." Great stuff!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    craig2574

    by Hercules

    You sound like that teen in the Samuel L. Jackson video! Wise up, motherfucker!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    C'mon guys

    by Dollar Bird

    This is all the vitriol and hate you can muster? I was looking forward to wasting hours on reading this talkback, the political backs and forths, the "He sucks" "No, he sucks" arguments. The whiny "You hypocrites! You brood of vipers!" and the listing of "facts" cut and pasted for various fringe "news sources." And look: nary a mote of hate. (Aside from that guy that wants that one lady on "Survivor" to get kicked off.) I suppose the good thing about it is that I don't have to read such lame insults like "libtards" and "repugs". Using those just makes me take nothing you say seriously. If you have to resort to name calling (and using REALLY, REALLY UN-CLEVER insult-names at that) then you have nothing of value to say. If you can't say something with intelligence or wit, then keep your fingers off the keyboard. (I must be angry. Sorry; move along...)

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    And what makes Samuel Jackson "great?"

    by Hercules

    Possibly the craziest question I've seen in an Ain't It Cool talkback. Which is saying something.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Craig2574

    I am wise Herc. Nothing will change in 4 years with either Romney or Obama. My comment was not a kool aid post. Also gas prices are going to continue to climb because of Ben B at the fed. You can not keep on printing money deflating our dollar and expect gas prices not to climb as it requires more dollars to buy the same gallon of gas. I'd take Corey Booker or Chris Christie any day of the week over Obama/Romney any day of the week. Your troll posts usually get more activity than this. Also to the cons on this board the jackson add is more of parody of the go to f.... sleep. If you do not like it don't watch it.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Craig2574

    You should edit this post to put Bristol Palin and DWTS in it and watch the fireworks explode!

  • At the very least, the debates would be more entertaining.

  • Either that, or we need more political parties or more choices than the two-party system that just bickers like a pair of retards on the school playground.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    ndaroused

    by Paul

    None of those things have been saved, record unemployment, record debt, etc, etc.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Presidents should be one-term only

    by lv_426

    6 year terms, with another election at the 4 year point to determine if the president is doing a good job to continue to have as much power for the remaining 2 years. Exceptions would be wars or natural disasters. If the president gets a good report card at the four year point (basically majority approval rate from the voters), he retains the full power of office. If the president doesn't get a good approval rating vote, then they are still president but with slightly limited power for those final two years. Things still go through the house and senate, just with the president having less power to veto or overturn things and have his or her way if the approval rating vote is negative in their favor at the two year mark. No second terms. Of course, this will never happen. Just an idea.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    ^^^ I thik (think), therefore I am^^^^^^^

    by Michael Lunney

  • Lately the dude has been putting both feet in his mouth and shooting his own campaign in both kneecaps with a grenade launcher all by himself. Now Mittens has to share the stage with another candidate? Holy fuck!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Eww Romney also should I watch Supernatural?

    by Andrew Coleman

    At this point who would vote for him? Seriously? Sure Obama isn't great but shit Romney has literally said nothing about how he would fix the economy and everything else has been terrible. I'm guessing people voting for him are either secret racists or total morons at this point. Should I watch Supernatural on Netflix? Never have paid attention to it but keep hearing people say it's great. Debating to check it out.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    But Herc- who's on Leno tonight? - just kidding...

    by Michael Lunney

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    @myphdisdoom

    by bender

    Seasons 1-5 of Supernatural are awesome. It may take a little while for S1 to pull you in, but I recommend to stick with it. Seasons 6-7 (under a different showrunner) weren't awful, but are easily the weakest. But I still enjoyed them. Really excited for S8 as one of the best writers from s1-5 is the new showrunner.

  • ...and no matter how good Obama is tonight, liberals, or libertarians and independents (or whatever other name people give themselves in hopes of having no accountability for political voting) will tear him down the same way a mother-in-law does to a wife. Thus the political "coverage" in 2012. Oh, and SNL tomorrow night will desperately try to seem unpartisan by downplaying how truly ignorant Romney is and exaggerating something Obama did or said that no one else noticed.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by Marc Cerasini

    I'll give Samuel L Jackson one credit. He doesn't need a teleprompter.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    tophat

    by Marc Cerasini

    What world do you live in? I want to move there.

  • First webpage I load up when Obama kills it in the election will be Drudge 'Race-baiting' Report ... then I will watch Fox 'News' the next day just to see how somber and QQ the commentators will be ... I am sure there will be some stories about non-existent voter fraud. Can't wait, WAIT To taste the tears of conservatives when the Kenyan, Muslim socialist black guy wins another 4 years. Luckily, I live in VA --- so bet yo ass I will be at the inauguration because it's 5 mins away from place. Finally in a state where my vote matters... and guess what? Northern Virginia will bring home VA to Obama and Kaine.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Dont you cry no mo!

    by JP

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Obama wins the election...

    by jp

    And China owns you. I have seen it.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Actually looking more foward to the vice presidential debates

    by angry kitty

    That should be entertaining as hell. I may make popcorn for that one. Biden makes me laugh. So very very much

  • http://tinyurl.com/9hqffzy

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Whats great about Sam Jackson?

    by vondamage

    I voted for Barack because he was black. 'Cuz that's why other folks vote for other people — because they look like them ... That's American politics, pure and simple. [Obama's] message didn't mean [bleep] to me.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    VP debate will be great!

    by Craig2574

    Biden does say funny things

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    My oh my...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    For all I know, it's the brains that are already dead. It's the idiots that are still alive.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Five points for the above quote.

    by Red Ned Lynch

    And as for the first question? The guy who said that line was once a Willard himself, though none of his rats were as big or greedy as Ryan. Muslims and teleprompters and socialists, oh my! It's got to be hard to be so scared so much of the time. Anyway, it's Halloween season, and I have much better things to do, including argue with Ambush about the best horror movies of the year. Later, gators.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Hi Mcgootoo

    by angry kitty

    Hope all is well. Couldn't open your link for some reason. Probably due to my state of the art craptacular phone. Really stinks for posting on the Internet ( or opening links) Thanks for posting it though. Cheers!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    So wouldn't it be more evenly matched up if

    by angry kitty

    They swapped candidates at for one of the debates? Obama vs Ryan. Romney vs Biden. More evenly matched orators. It could be the ultimate cage match.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    The media will report OwebamAA+ the winner tomorrow anyway...

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...personally, I'm looking forward to the parts where Romney debates the moderator. Obeyme guest stars. That's how it went down Monday night when MSDNC's David Gregory debated Scott Brown while Chief Spreading Bull looked on.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    hey mcgoo. WTF's up?

    by Jared Parker

    you watching the debate tonight, kemo sabe? i hope nail romney's rich douchey ass to the wall

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    hey kitty

    by Jared Parker

    how are you, girlfriend?

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    lv_426, that was a great idea

    by Immortal_Fish

    One 6 year term with a referendum vote at the 4 year mark. Brilliant! What a shame you cannot clearly see that it is Joke Biden that has put both feet in his mouth and shot Obeyme's campaign in both kneecaps with a grenade launcher all by himself.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    by Jared Parker

    meant to say i hope "obama nails romney's rich douchey ass to the wall"

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    immortal_fish

    by Jared Parker

    so you think roney is going to WIN in november? LOL!!!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    @ jp1

    by angry kitty

    I can't complain, thanks for asking. Hope you're doing well and enjoying the debate. It is off to good start.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST

    @angrykitty

    by Jared Parker

    tha's good. i love how romney says his tax won't raise the deficit

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Obama is walking home

    by Marc Cerasini

    Because by 9:40 Romney waxed his butt. Please send the President a teleprompter, he's failing even when Jim help jumps in to help him. What a colossal fail.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Does anyone think Obama is winning this debate?

    by Coughlins Laws

    I'm not being a wise-ass, I'm really curious...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    judge briggs, namecalling is pathetic

    by Marc Cerasini

    Calling me, a guy who was raised in a predominantly black suburb in PA, who voted for Andre Braugher on this year's Emmy ballot, who campaigned for Herman Cain (yeah, Romney wasn't my first choice), a racist because I don't love our socialist, incompetent POTUS. It's sad, and it won't work. I know who I am, who are you?

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    I am a socialist Muslim with a forged birth certificate.

    by Metroid_Fetish

    I don't want anybody looking at my taxes, so that's why I'm voting for Romney.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST

    agreed coughlins law

    by jsfithaca

    i like obama a lot better than romney, but romney is doing a lot better than i thought he would, and obama could have done a lot better. romneys def winning. i don't think hes doing well enough to get a huge bump in the polls but i think he will get an uptick

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    if anyone thinks romney is winning this debate...

    by Jared Parker

    they're not living in reality

  • I'm curious as to what you think...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Everyone involved have shitty ties

    by Mugato5150

    That can't be debated. Oh yeah and Romney is a moron.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Romney's cleaning the floor with Obama

    by Paul

  • He's actually doing Lehrer's job half the time, being moderator and the participant. If this is the alot of people's first exposure to Romney, he is doing himself a lot of good...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Damn did Romney get his ass handed to him

    by Mugato5150

    I'm sure Fox News would spin that differently but...damn.

  • ...and here come the oblamya apologists!

  • Did you actually watch that?

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Romney did better than I thought but his points are lies.

    by mistergreen

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST

    ^sure green! and oblameya is THE bastion of truth!!!^

    by jay2517

    LOL!!

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Romney was the better performer

    by MJDeViant

    But he performed with vague answers IMO or ones that are PROBABLY factually not true. I still can't stand the guy or the "wait until I'm in office" plans he has. I also hated how he demanded to talk over the time limit over and over and basically IMO to get the last words in, which is what people usually remember. Obama just looked kind of passive and MAYBE is thinking too early that he has this? I don't know. He needs to step his game up though. He looked as bored as me watching it up there. Either way, I think the debates were too safe. They felt vague in general and didn't touch on a lot. As someone else said, we can let football games run over but we can't let a debate take however long it needs? Not saying that I wanted to watch anymore BUT it does make sense to let actual things that effect the country take as much time as they need.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST

    lies, lies, lies, lol, lol, lol

    by Coughlins Laws

    Policy disagreements now equal lies. OK

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Ending on that medicare lie was pretty low.

    by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad

    No matter who wins it will be the same b.s. though. Now go root for your favorite team, that's what politics have turned into.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Romney did very well tonight

    by angry kitty

    He definitely surprised me.

  • It's almost universal that people who watched this outside of the MSNBC talking heads thought Romney commanded that stage...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    SURE, green...THATS all that matters...sigh...

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10 p.m. CST

    Chris Matthews and Andrew Sullivan are on suicide watch...

    by Coughlins Laws

    You're really living in Fantasy Land if you think Obama won this debate...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    ^agreed laws^

    by jay2517

    its sad to hear their drivel right now

  • Biden does say some goofy things. Can't argue there.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Loved Obama's answer about all that vanishing Solyndra money

    by Marc Cerasini

    Oops, Obama didn't answer. He just shook his head, wondering how many former Solyndra execs are living large in the Cayman Island. Hell, Obama couldn't even look Romney in the eye. Brought up all that class warfare shit though.

  • I was thinking if the debate was made into a movie, Denzel could play Obama. Who would be a good fit for Romney? Oh fuck it, just get Daniel Day Lewis.

  • If he pulls off this Lincoln roll as well as it appears he has in the trailers, they might as well not even bother with the Oscar ceremony...

  • If you go by body language and confidence alone, Romney won hands down...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Haha. To simplify the debate as if it were boxing...

    by MJDeViant

    It was a basically a match that ended in a judge decision for Romney because he threw the most punches even though none of them really landed. Obama just played a passive defense and was maybe thinking the win WOULD go to decision BUT in his favor. He should have thrown some blows as well.

  • He probably carries around a script every day that tells him how to be human. If he didn't have it I'd like to think he would act like Drop Dead Fred.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Judge Briggs

    by Marc Cerasini

    I'm so sorry.

  • Seriously, it wasn't even close. Every snap poll and the vast majority of pundits declared Romney the hands down winner. Back in 2008, everyone thought Obama won every debate...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I agree about Romney "winning" the debate

    by GBH

    however, winning a debate does not mean winning the contest. If that were the case it would have been Kerry in 2004 and who knows how the whole Rielle Hunter thing would have "gone down" (see what I did there?) with Edwards... but I digress.... Romney was coached well and performed admirably as the perfect polished politician... Romney's campaign tried to pull a fast one by downplaying his performance beforehand to lower expectations knowing full well he was ready and probably better prepared than the president. That brings me to my next point. Would you rather have a president who puts the world on hold so he can warm up and spend the same amount of time this last month prepping for a debate that Romney did? Romney has had nothing else to do the last 4 years since he was defeated by McCain and now he shows up to the dance, not as the super hot date you hoped for, but as sloppy leftovers because there was no one else your Mom could get to go with your dork ass. I hate that we get shitty leftovers from the 2008 campaign instead of a real republican candidate. Regardless of who wins this election BLOWS!!!

  • CNN's post debate poll had 67% saying Romney won the debate. The loons on MSNBC are almost in tears.

  • It will be like playing a President will be the new Hooker-With-The-Heart-Of-Gold that usually guarantees women a win...

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I've just seen Obama without a teleprompter

    by Sal Kane

    And I'm voting Republican for the first time.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    What happened to Saint Trayvon Martin?

    by magic_ninja

    Oh, that's right, that whole story went away once it was revealed that George Zimmerman was hispanic.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Obama got taken to the woodshed

    by GeorgieBoy

    Obama has redefined the term "feckless."

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    I hope Obamacare covers a Kicked Ass

    by mypalfish

    Great line from Dennis Miller. I was always a Romney voter (very unenthusiastic, though), but I'm amazed at how well he did tonight and how Obama looked like he didn't even feel like he should have to debate...just wanted another coronation.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Yes, coughlins laws is back!!

    by MrWonka

    4 years ago, on election night, that guy was GUARANTEEING a McCain victory. No matter what facts or polls you showed him, he just refused to believe it. He was ADAMANT that McCain was guaranteed to win. We all came back the next day to see him eat crow, but he never showed up. Oh well. Oh, and this debate was terrible. Romney clearly "won" because he succeeded in pushing Lehrer around the most, and went on the offensive more against Obama. Once the fact-checkers get to him, he'll be eviscerated, but we all know people don't care about that. This formate was terrible (and no, it has nothing to do with a teleprompter, you doofuses), because with such an open format, you MUST have a forceful moderator. Lehrer is like 95, and just did a terrible job. Obama went into annoyed mode after 20 minutes, of course he's going to lose. Just sad. Romney can swing a bunch of the undecided (read: idiotic) voters, but in 3 or 4 key battleground states, his trailing Obama now by more than what the undecideds could make up for him. Even if he got them all, he'd still lose. So, he's got to swing some Obama supporters to his side. Can't do that by going on the debate offensive like he did. Of course, if you go after those voters and tone it down, you lose debates. So he's kinda screwed either way. But hey, he'll get a little bump after the debate tonight, since the only thing that really matters to most people is the "ROMNEY WINS DEBATE, %60 OF PEOPLE SAY" headline. Unfortunately, that doesn't' necessarily get you Florida or Ohio, Mittens! Of course, as coughlins laws will tell you, Romney is guaranteed to win in November. It's a given, right?

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST

    I'm a democrat who lives in Ohio

    by Sal Kane

    And Mitt Romney has just won my vote. Oh, but I'm an idiot because I'm independent? The people who vote for Obama THIS time are the idiots.

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Fuck both of those assholes. MORRISSEY is about to be on!

    by Fico

  • I also mentioned countless times that McCain wasn't my guy. Anyway, what does that have to do with today?

  • The President didn't look like he wanted to be there.

  • It wasn't even close. Obama didn't even seem interested...

  • In a newsweek poll, Kerry won the first debate by 61 percent, compared to Bush's 19 percent. That debate also brought him ahead of Bush nationally, 47 percent to 45. Kerry went on to win the other debates he was in with Bush by similar margins, yet went on to lose the election. Debate victories seldom equal an electoral win. If economic numbers are good this Friday (anything over 100,000), I suspect any gains Romney made from his polished performance tonight will be dimished. Economists are already proclaiming the rebound of the housing market with positive numbers for September, so I expect Obama will simply have to hold his own in the next debate to pull of a clear victory this November. That said, boy did he fail miserably in tonight's debate. He could have hit Romney on so many obvious issues (47% and flip-flopping his entire career among other things), but he held back, seemingly deliberately, and to his detriment I believe.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Obama is so used to the fawning media...

    by mypalfish

    that he struggled against a real opponent (McCain never challenged him). But none of this really matters unless Romney can start running some ads and match Obama's buys. He's getting outspent 5-1 in the swing states and you can't win an election that way.

  • Chris Matthews meltdown Romney Was Winning http://youtu.be/F_YqnS7m9tA Bill Maher ‏@billmaher Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney Bill Maher ‏@billmaher i can’t believe i’m saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter Andrew Sullivan: ‘This was a disaster’… http://bit.ly/QRRXlA

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Romney gave Obama the Bird!

    by FeralAngel

    Well, I have to say I was impressed. Romney zapped Obama and destroyed the Democrats' caricature of him as an evil rich slave-driving stiff. He was bloody brilliant, something I did NOT expect. He even took on an icon more worshipped than Obama - Big Bird and Sesame Street - and flatly said that if he's elected, the gravy train would finally be over for that long-running farce of an "educational" TV show. Seriously, if it's been so damn effective, why are kids' test scores so low, and how come nearly every kid I run into online is so ignorant about grammar and can't spell? Sure, Sesame Street isn't solely responsible for the illiteracy of several generations of children, but it sure as hell doesn't seem to be helping them much.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Watching the debates from the UK

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Interesting debate tonight. There was no doubt that Romney completely exceeded expectations. He came across as slick, polished and in control......dare I say it presidential. He made much more compelling than Obama. He will get a massive boost from this. However After the debate was finished what do I actually know? He wants to change everything Obama has done in the last four years because it is the wrong approach....How? I have no clue. Take away the gloss and sheen and what substance are we left with? It felt like a contest between an American Idol competitor and bob dylan.... If you have never heard either singer then the wow factor goes to the singer with the strong voice and polished stage presence, but ultimately bland and forgettable....the other is authentic with a message that will last. I hope that the majority of Americans will see past the style and question the substance....how can you vote for someone who repeatedly tells you they have a plan and not worry, but doesn't tell you what that plan is.... What is left is promises to make everything better which is an easy platform to run on if you are not forced by the public to explain how those promises will be kept...prove that those promises can be achieved. Time for the American public, media, and yes, Obama himself to step up and challenge those promises.... if Rommney can can answer with credible, realistic, detailed answers then good luck to him. May the best man win. If he can't at least I believe Obama understands the issues. I think thats Obama's biggest burden.... that understanding the issues (and a conscience maybe? lol) means that speaking in large broad platitudes (that arehugely pleasing to the masses) is much more difficult. It is much more difficult to educate than to impress.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST

    cymraeg_cowboy

    by Paul

    Everything that you said about Romney sounds exactly like Obama.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Watching the UK from America

    by Sal Kane

    And we're saddened by what we see. Once an empire that stood up to Hitler. Now a nation of drunks on the dole, happy to ban US talk show host at the behest of Hilary Clinton. You push substance over style, or so you claim. But Obama was all cheap rhetoric over real substantive experience. It shows in his governance. Obama knows nothing and is nothing but an empty suit in an empty chair. He's a man lost without a teleprompter. How many times did Obama look to Jim Lehrer for help. He got his affirmative action moment at 9:33 EDT when Lehrer stepped in to make Obama's point when the POTUS couldn't. We'll take Romney. You keep your dole.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Anyone But Obama.

    by spire_walk

    I voted for Clinton, Gore, Kerry <shudder>, and pretty much gave up on the dems after that. Obama as a demagogue is frightening and I want it to end. In 2008 this guy created in a socialist laboratory out of the spare parts of dead Marxists with virtually no political experience became a U.S. president. The man was/is fucking worshiped by people. "The One." I'm happy a black guy got elected to him, but is there any other substance beyond that? Everyone hung their hopes and dreams on Obama and made him a living Messiah...and for what? For being a black man? He's fucking hollow. When you see him almost stuttering during the debates, you're looking at what's really there -- nothing. Voting for either candidate, however, is like choosing which drunk you want to ride shotgun with as he speeds toward a brick wall. One guy has a really nice suped up ride, but he's speeding towards a wall at 95mph. The other drunk is a rich guy in a luxury car speeding towards a wall at 85mph. Take your pick.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST

    lost winklevoss

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    I made the point that Rommney came across as much more presidential. Yes I live in a society that has a fundamental belief that everyone should be taken care of. Whether that means the dole for those who cannot find work, or equal treatment for all on the NHS..... I hve never really understood why that should be seen as a bad way of life. Are there people who abuse the system? Yes of course.... every system ever put in place will lead to a small minority finding a way to abuse it. I for one am glad that our political debates do not have constantly regurgatate the same two opposing political philosophies regarding cutting or raising taxes or whether abortions are morally wrong...... That we have a country united in belief of fundemental basics of human rights and existence - that means we can focus on the smaller things that really make a difference to people. Four years ago America had become the laughing stock of the world due to Bush and cronnies then the whole Palin debacle. Then you elected a President who the rest of the world respected.... not because he was Black, but because of he actually showed signs of intelligence. Has he been able to make the changes we were all desperate to see you make - no. Have people stopped laughing - yes Rommney commented last night on how slow growth in the ecconomy was. Well if I had an ecconomy that for a number of years that had been in freefall and that fall was halted then growth, however small, was in evidence I'd call that a major victory. Obama needs to do much more in these comming debates - and he may well lose the presidency - I just hope to God for all of you that Rommney can back up his promises with action (of which he is yet to state what those actions will be). Rommney will be fine for the next four years if elected - and though he'll take the credit, it is the democrats who have stopped the rot and decline of the Bush years - whoever will be the next POTUS will reap the benefits of all the hard work and slog of the last four years. I just don't want America to return to its former Bush era status as the worlds most dangerous Jester. Oh...... and you hung your true clours to the mast when you talked about our once shinning Empire..... Most of us here in Britain realise that this was not actually a good thing....like me praising you lot for having a once thriving slavery population. I have to go to work now.... like the vast majority of hard working sober Brits.

  • ..............nothing???????????? HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAAA!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    HERC?????????????

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    HERC????????????????????

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    HERC???????????????????????????????????

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST

    ..............u here, Herc the fucking Hack????

    by jay2517

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:50 a.m. CST

    Herc, how do you like dem apples?!

    by Tacoloft

    Romney 1, Obama -5T The MSM can't believe it. Michael Moore and Van Jones both agree Romney killed it. Bottom line: Facts are stubborn things! Looking forward to the next debate to see Obama try to unleash on Romney and see the huge backfire that will become of it. There is a light at the end of the Obama worship tunnel!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    Only thing worse than a sore loser........

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    .......is an ungracious winner. Jay 2517 - get a grip. Many Obama supporters have conceeded that Rommney did very well. That is the resonable response in the situation - what would you like? Them all to be here claiming how unfair it was and that Rommney cheated or something? - Is being gracious in defeat that an alien idea to you? Oh- I forgot - the reaction of the Republicans after Obama won 4 years ago (tea party?hello?) proves it is an Alien concept. All you Democrats and Obama supporters out there - I applaud you for your graciousness. Round 1 to Romney in a best of 3 contest In the long term game does one good night make up for months of gaffs and idiotic comments pissing off every country that Obama has managed to repair relationships with? We'll see. In the mean time - bring on round two!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:59 a.m. CST

    That is great news

    by John

    Romney is Losing!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:10 a.m. CST

    @cymraeg_cowboy

    by Dollar Bird

    I like the cut of your jib. It's really nice to read some level-headed, fair, and intelligent thoughts in this talkback. Keep up the good work, please.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST

    No matter whom gets elected

    by ShoreGrey

    Taxes will go up Personal liberties will get reduced Government will become more powerful People will become more dependent on the government. This has been true in the history of every nation that has ever existed since the dawn of civilization. America is the next Roman empire. Read your history.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST

    What we need to do not just as a society...

    by ShoreGrey

    ...but as the human race is to deeply and seriously examine this need we have to create a ruling body/power structure/heirarchy, and then defer to it no matter how corrupt, overbearing and out of control it becomes. We need to examine this need we seem to have to want to force others to live their lives according to our own system of beliefs and lifestyle. I have heard Libertarianism referred to as everything from "idealistic" to "anarchy"

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    @dollar bird

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Thank you. I think sometimes it takes an outsider to see a wider perspective. Personaly I have always been a centre left kind of guy (though that would been seen as far left by American political standards). However i do believe that the only way to progress as a society is a partizan approach.... if the right present a good idea that convinces me that it will improve the country then hey, I'm on board - and from time to time that happens. I have never understood the philosophy that a party can look weak if they admit that 'the other side' has an idea that may be good for the country..... to hear much of the right wing rhetoric that comes out of the American media it is possible to believe that most Republicans really feel like that Democrats are purposely trying destroy their own country.....newsflash...they don't. Both parties want the same thing...to improve the quality of life in America. There will always be differences in how to achieve this, but to stand in opposition to every idea that the other party has is ludicrous. Last night Rommney talked about how he wanted to be a partizan President working with both sides... Why oh why didn't Obama push him on this and ask which of Obamas reforms Rommney had supported..... I guess you can only be partizan if you have the power! I admitted above that I felt Rommney won the debate last night. I think this was down to his presentation. I do think however that he contradicted himself far more than Obama did. Obama lost because he did not pick up on these contradictions and push Rommney on them.

  • Even Bill Maher said he needed his teleprompter...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:02 a.m. CST

    @coughlins laws

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    I felt he said that because he realised they were going round in circles and BOTH candidates had repeated their positions several times. The moderator was pretty bad I thought - had little control over the time limits or the candidates when interupting him.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Judge Briggs, it's moved to Wednesday because

    by SisterSpooky

    It's obvious that CW wants it back in Primetime, therefore you may hear it carrying on beyond Season 8.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Romney won because Obama backed off.

    by vadakinX

    Dem supporters have been waiting months to get Romney and Obama into a debate so that Obama could call Romney and the Republicans out on their blatant lies and bullshit. But when the time came, Obama didn't pull the trigger. Romney was well prepped. Not a fact in sight but he did what he set out to do. Obama and the Dems have been banking on the people seeing through the GOP's lies and twisting of facts to present a non-existant scenario but it isn't happening. It's like nobody can see through their BS without being actively guided through it. What Obama needs to do is take a page out of Clinton's book. at the DNC, Clinton delivered a speech that would have won him the election had he been running. He didn't just go after the Republicans, he nailed them with fact after fact after fact. That's what Obama needed to do last night and what he has to do going forward. He needs to take Romney on and call him out on everything he and his party have said and done. He was too passive last night. It didn't help that the moderator was awful (it helped Romney) and the longer Romney and Ryan are allowed to lie and not be called on it, the greater their chances will be. Obama and Romney have a couple more debates and whatever Obama was thinking last night, he has to take the gloves off going forward. The Vice Presidential debate is going to be hilariously awesome. Between Biden's numerous gaffes and Ryan's ludicrous economic policies, it has the makings of a fascinating debate.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST

    It's sad people like jay2517 get to vote...

    by Uncle Pooky

    actually, it's sad people like jay2517 get many of the rights afforded to us.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Saved the housing industry?

    by Himbo

    Quantitative Easing has devalued the dollar tremendously. If the Euro had not tanked, and re-encouraged acquisition of dollars, it would be worse. Even so, QE has devalued dollar to where everything is more expensive EXCEPT for housing prices. Some cities have had a modest increase in the last 2 months since a bottom, but most Americans cannot afford to move since underwater. HARP and HAMP seem like really good ideas. The I went to a Housing Law CLE last week and got a better fix on how ineffective the loan modification programs have been. This presentation from a very populist-democrat. So I'll give Obama some credit. He eventually gave order to get BinLaden. He followed Bush blueprint timetable for Iraq. He encouraged new car buying with Cash for Clunkers and jacked up value of Used cars by destroying so many old cars. But on Healthcare? All savings have been pie-in-sky projections. I can demonstrate how it will increase my family cost via a) the increase in deductibility threshold from 7 to 10% and b) the reduction in Flexspending accounts to $2500. You can't get people to take responsibility for their own healthcare, by making it harder for them to do that. So it's a mixed bag at best. Also, he ate a dog.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    don't count out the Jedi Master

    by oisin5199

    Obama, as he tends to do, is clearly playing the long game. On so many points, he could have answered Romney's bogus attacks, but he chose not to. I think he wanted to appear above the fray and let Romney hang himself, so that he could come back in the town meeting, a format that Romney is hilariously awkward at, and wipe the floor with him. Unfortunately, the Dems underestimated just how well prepared Romney would be. But they get it now, and I can't imagine all those attacks aren't going to get answered, especially the bullshit numbers Romney pulled out of his ass. Now if I'm wrong, and Obama blows the town meeting debate, then I'll eat crow. But this is a marathon still, not a dash. Then again, the last debate is foreign policy. And all Obama's got to do is set the record straight about Libya, and remind America that he killed Bin Laden (and killed more Al Quaeda leaders than Bush ever dreamed of) and he'll have it in the bag. This ain't over yet, folks.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    oisin

    by Beau

    Obama didn't kill anyone asshole, the U.S. military did.

  • Barry was out of his league last night . Robbery own med his commie ass ! I can't wait to se e Ryan trounce that idiot Biden

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Oisin - long game?

    by Himbo

    Unsure that last night was part of a "master plan" but you are right in that he cannot be discounted. The Town Hall meeting format of the next debate is right in O's wheelhouse.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Also Survivor

    by Himbo

    hasnt' been bad, just kind of boring this year. Last two seasons were just bad.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    cymraeg_cowboy, learn to spell

    by Marc Cerasini

    How about you start by spelling Mitt Romney's name correctly. It's easier to spell than either Barack Hussein Obama or Barry Soetoro. Or did you MEAN to insult our presidential candidate?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    LOL at the people saying Romney stated "facts"

    by quicksilver80

    Obama's not doing great because it's a much harder job to discuss disparate and complex reality than it is to run a memorized scam

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    That was a Michael Penn tweet as retweeted by Patton Oswalt

    by quicksilver80

    But this awful TB decided to leave out half of my post

  • cymraeg_cowboy, Americans don't give a rat's ass about electing a president Europe "respects." Europe's respect is a joke. Look at your PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain) fading nations that have overspent because of their socialist ways and have to be bailed out of their folly by Germany. Americans want jobs, not the "respect" of nations who gave us Nazism, Communism, Socialism, and all the other bad ideas from the last century.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    @lostwinklevoss

    by Dollar Bird

    Don't lump all Americans together. Some do care what Europe, let alone the rest of the world, thinks of our leaders. A country's leader represents the country's people. Clearly, you have not lived outside of the U.S. for too long, and if you did, you certainly learned nothing to have such a self-centered and myopic view of things. And fading nations? Don't be to quick to judge the specks in others' eyes while you have a log in your own. But I'm sure this is all falling on deaf ears. "Rah rah, USA. The best country on the planet of all time! A flawless nation of absolute perfection that never had any bad ideas or did stupid things on its own during the last century!!!" Yeah right. Don't make me puke. I love my country, but it's far, far from perfect. (Your attitude being an excellent example of its imperfection.)

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    @ hansvonhammer & lostwinklevoss

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Oops... my bag. Yup I spelt Romney incorrectly - I have a friend with the same name and it is spelt Rommney. Though that does point out you can criticize my spelling, but not the substance. Presentation over substance? Sounds like a ROMNEY supporter to me :p lol Lostwinklevoss - that is the kind of arrogant and small minded attitude that gets you into so much trouble - it is a world ecconomy - and those countries that you are belittling - they are the ones you are going to go to on one knee when you need support for your next (inevitable) War if the Republicans take office. Dear God - I tried to appeal for reason and understanding - explain that the way forward is to look for common goals, not differences and yet the attacks come from those who have no idea how to have a civilised debate. I know this is Ain't it cool message boards and everything - but isn't it actually possible to have a debate without resorting to cultural insults (I'm surprised you haven't mentioned my bad teeth yet), attacking spelling (when you can't find how to argue facts and points) and generally hold a level of debate that belongs to 8 year olds in the playground. Maybe for the next debate we could set up a forum thread that follows the same rules and decorum as the docbacks.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Lived in Europe for 12 years

    by Sal Kane

    And I found too many people arrogant about America and their place in the world for NO REASON. And yes, America is imperfect. Americans idiotically elected the duncecap in the White House now. As my pal PJ O'Rourke says: "Where the hell do Europeans get those nutty ideas? Do they pull them out of their asses?"

  • That's more pathetic than AlGore saying he lost the debate because of the high altitude!!!

  • It really is stunning how a man so stupid was 567 votes from being President.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    In defence of Sesame Street

    by Chief Joseph

    I learned to read and how to count from that show. Yes, it's degenerated into a commercial for Elmo toys, but to say the show NEVER worked is completely false.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Lived in Europe for 12 years?

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Really? you sounded much younger than that! I've lived in the States for a while back in the 90's (not for 12 years or anything) and found it a wonderful place with many wonderful people. I'm usually the one defending the country when those kind of 'arrogant Europeans' say something derogatory... but do you know what? Every country has its assholes. You will usually find them being self important and jingoistic, whilst being intollerant of everyone that disagrees with them what so ever. I'm proudly Welsh. I am proudly British. I am proudly European. But I would move back to the States in a heartbeat. I don't feel the need to feel superior to anyone else. I am happy to keep on debating with you - but please don't resort to the 'America is more important than you' arguement - it is irrelevent, unintelligent and quite frankly a litttle bit silly.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST

    So you think that Obama is a duncecap?

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    If that is the case, what were your feelings on Bush? This is not asked in sarcasm - I am genuinely interested.

  • This doesn't guarantee that Romney will win the election or even win the next 2 debates. However, too many liberals are in denial about what happened. And yes, this WAS a game-changer. Obama definitely did NOT look like the smarter or more confident man last night. Romney really is the favorite from this point on...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    It's not over until November

    by DeusExMachina

    This was a game changer. This debate put the wind back in the sails for the Republicans which is what Romney needed to do. This is not the end of the fight though so if you support Romney, don't get cocky. There is still next weeks Biden/Ryan debate. Best believe that with Obama not performing the way he should have, that there is going to be pressure on Biden to go at Paul Ryan. And Biden isn't Obama. The same problem Obama had last night was the same problem he had when he was debating Hillary Clinton. He's not aggressive which is why he got Clubber Langed last night. Biden doesn't have that problem. Also remember that John Kerry did a great job in his first debate against Bush. We all see how that turned out.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    My opinion of Bush, Jr?

    by Sal Kane

    He wasn't his Dad. Bush would have made a fine middle manager or steward of the nation in peaceful times, but he was thrust into a war--we were attacked worse than Pearl Harbor and the victims were civilians, not military. I lost friends and watched the Towers fall not on television but with my own eyes. Try it. You won't like it. Bush started out well, but like Old Monty at Operation Market Garden, Bush took it one "bridge" (war) too far. The invasion of Iraq was a mistake, nation-building is a Democrat thing, not a Republican thing, and Bush fell into a trap like LBJ in Vietnam. Bush also spent like a drunken sailor--another Democrat trait. You accuse me of being "small minded" but I've written twenty books, two NY Times bestsellers, a movie, and a history of the US Marine Corps. I've worked for Marvel Comics, for George Lucas and Lucasfilm, for Toho Studios in Japan, and I've published internationally. (My new novel was released in hardover in Britain last month and is already in its second printing). And by the way, you never addressed the PIIGS question. Do you really feel socialist ANYTHING is sustainable? Obama could steal all the money the wealthy have in this country and it wouldn't run the bloated, inefficient government for more than eight days. Meanwhile Obamacare has jacked up my family's insurance costs from 8 thousand dollars a year to 19 thousand, and I was forced to drop it. What is needed is economic GROWTH, not REDISTRIBUTION. Progressives constantly and deliberately "misunderstand" Conservatives, but they have no ideas of their own, only class warfare platitudes and resentment. I do not expect you to change your mind about anything, but don't accuse me of being small minded. My mind, and my world, are both quite large... Large enough to spot a fraud when I see one, and Obama IS a duncecap.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Impressive resume lostwinklevoss!

    by quicksilver80

    Still a douche though...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    From you, that's a compliment

    by Sal Kane

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    is really nobody talking about the new south park?

    by jsfithaca

    I thought it was great

  • from wikipedia: "At Comic-Con 2012, showrunner Jeremy Carver revealed his overall plan of plotting out a story that will help him at least reach his goal of “the end of season 10"."

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    lost winklevoss

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Congratulations - that is one hell of a career. I'm sorry about your losses on that fateful day in September 2001. We all watched on horrified - I didn't lose anyone I knew personally, but mourned with the rest of the world as the city I consider the greatest in the world was turned into rubble. I had visited the WTC just a couple of years earlier and felt numb for weeks. I actually felt Bush had his shining moment of his presidancy just a few days later when he stood amongst the rubble and spoke like a true leader of men. Shame that moment was so short lived. I don't believe that the PIIGS situation is actually down to a faliure in socialism. Indeed I feel the opposite. It is the change to the Euro and the capatalist theories on growth that was supposed to provide is what ultimately destroyed their ecconomies. We here in Britain relented when the Conservatives tried to push is into the same system and common sense prevailed with us hanging onto our autonomy and the pound. I'm not saying that has made us recession proof, but we have survived with a lot less damage inflicted upon us than most. Most of our problems have come from the Banking sector directly tied to wall street. When you almost capsised, you nearly dragged us down with you. You say that spending is a Democratic trait, yet in the Clinton years the ecconomy built up its biggest surpluss since WW2. Do you really think that Iraq was a nation building exercise? I agree that may be a Democratic trait - but I always saw it as a profit maximisation exercise - most definately a republican trait. And yes - while I may not be a full on leftie (though you would consider me to be) I do think there are many aspects of socialism that are sustainable. The NHS is our shining example - yes it is not perfect - what system is? But the fact that I know that if my wife, my kids or my parents get sick at any stage of their lives, whether we are working or (god forbid) we lost our jobs tomorrow that we would get the help and the treatment that we need just makes it a little easier to sleep at night. I have great faith and belief in many nationalised systems..... education for example. Here I have some experience - I may not be a multi selling author, but I have worked in the education sector for the past 14 years. Here in Britain we have a regulatory body known as Ofsted. Their prime focus is to inspect schools to make sure the standard of teaching, learning and progress is consistent nationwide. Most teachers see them as an evil, but a necessary one. In the 20 years of their existence they have driven up standards and results have improved massively (then unfairly put down to exams getting easier in the national media). Where they feel schools are failing their responsibilities they are put into 'special measures' with even tougher regulations - but also give the support they need - bringing in teachers/ principals from schools judged outstanding to help change school systems and methods until the improvements are shown. If this task was left to indivdual authorities (or States as it would be in your case) then the system would be a big mess. Some areas may be outstanding, and manage itself maybe even better than currently -other areas may fail completely. One national standard - everyone working to the same goals. I have never really understood the republican philosophy of 'Smaller Government'. You are the UNITED states - surely having one set of goals and standards is to be cheered from the rafters. I know the phrase goes it is a dog eat dog world, but really - do people really want a system where individual states have a different set of standards and ideals? If everything was regulated and run on a state by state system, wouldn't that just create The Devided States of America? See how much more fun it is when we actually have a discussion rather than act superior to one another!!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Having three tribes on Survivor is part of the problem

    by jim

    Especially with so much focus on Russell's tribe. Last night I saw a player from one of the other tribes and thought "has she been there the entire time?". There's not much going on with the other tribes, other than going to challenges and winning. Any conflict that arises has (so far) been without consequences because neither of the other two has had to get rid of anyone. I'm guessing after the next person (#4) goes, there will be a tribe reshuffle resulting in two tribes of 7. Wasn't Russell the first one to find the idol clue? And he still hasn't figured it out? Is it just me, or does RC remind anyone else a little of Eva Amurri? On a scale of 1-10, how devastated is Hercules by last night's elimination?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    When even MSNBC can't find or invent you a silver lining...

    by tailhook

    You got smoked.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    PBS is one of my favorite things in the world

    by Batmanster

    If there was ever a legit federally funded institution this is it. It is a bastion of knowledge in a world that elevates and glamorizes ignorance. I can't think of a better documentary news source than Frontline, a better historical program than American Experience, or more informative science programming than shows like Nova and Nature. The idea that PBS leans too far to the left is borderline reasonable, but I don't think they go too far. Donations from the public ensure that they are beholden to an audience of supporters that expects fairness and government support gives them enough money to produce programming of the highest quality. I would hate to think how much knowledge I would have missed out on had I not had access to PBS when growing up and on into my current early adulthood. This is not even to mention what PBS does for much younger viewers. Fred Rogers tells it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q The idea that this should be cut in the name of saving barely any money at all is the kind of republican mindset that I cannot relate to. What good is a solvent country that is chock full of brainless saps with no attention span. I know this is not the primary issue in the coming election but I think it is microcosmic to the difference in republican and democratic thinking currently. I am not strongly on the side of either but I think the balance has not yet been offset from previous years and the current republican extremism will be more costly than people think.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Obama swaggered into this debate...

    by schadenfreudian

    like Batman fighting Bane for the first time. The results were similar.

  • Making cuts to the arts is just nickel & dime savings in the grand scheme of things.

  • Bush's debate numbers were worse than Obama's, and he still went on to win the election. It's because people, while conceding Kerry to be the better debater, still saw him as a blank slate, whereas they saw Bush as someone with conviction -- and I say this as someone who voted for Kerry while recognizing his massive weaknesses. Romney's weaknesses more than parallel Kerry's -- they downright make Kerry look like the Incredible Hulk. I predict Romney will see a bump in the polls, but that will dissipate before the end of October, and Obama will win handily on November 6. I'll put $100 into a paypal account for you, Coughlins Laws, if he doesn't win. Care to put the same money on Romney?

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Big Jim

    by Batmanster

    According to a Google search I just did in 2010 210 million was divided up amongst local stations and 71 million went to PBS directly. So 281 million total. It sounds like a lot but I think its worth it.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    As Neil deGrasse Tyson said:

    by Batmanster

    Cutting PBS support (0.012% of the budget) to help balance the Federal budget is like deleting text files to make room on your 500Gig hard drive

  • You fail to acknoweldge the psychological aspect of a recession. To go from 800,000 jobs lost every month to 30 consecutive months of job creation, with an average of 100,000 jobs every month -- people find security in improvement, even if slow, as long as it's steady. That's why the GOP's lame "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago'' meme failed so miserably during and after the DNC convention, and why Romney didn't use it in his closing argument like Reagan did to Carter. Because it's an undeniably stupid argument to make when anyone who hasn't been living under a rock remembers really just how shitty things were 4 years ago. When the unemployment numbers are released tomorrow, expect around or above 100,000 -- a modest but steady growth of employment, marking 2 and half years of modest but steady growth. Expect economists and particularly the Obama administration to laud the undeniable turnaround of the housing market -- coupled with the already established rebirth of the auto industry. These are psychological factors voters will take into account as October wears on and bounces come and go and they head to the polls on November 6th.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    @batmaster. Thanks for posting the Fred Rogers clip

    by angry kitty

    I've always loved his defense of public television speech. Wonderfully eloquent and direct. Thanks again for posting

  • * Only thing worse than a sore loser........ by cymraeg_cowboy .......is an ungracious winner.*--- are u fucking serious? do u ever READ any Herc the fucking Hacks articles?? get a fucking grip...please.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    poor pooky...its a shame ur categorized as a male.

    by jay2517

    ur boy got waxed, no biggie. there is still 2 more debates, but he better show up LOL.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    @angry kitty

    by Batmanster

    I'm glad to. I love that clip. Its like the ending of an inspirational hollywood movie...but real. Fred Rogers was a good guy.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Jay 2517

    by cymraeg_cowboy

    Good range of voccabulary you demonstrate there...... I'll stick to debating with the grown ups. you're welcome.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Don't remember posting support for either candidate, jay2517

    by Uncle Pooky

    but you've laughed in the face of reality up to this point, so I guess keep sticking with what works for you.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Obama used to be a good candidate...

    by tailhook

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    but then he took a Rom to the Knee.

    by tailhook

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    cymraeg_cowboy....

    by jay2517

    *Good range of voccabulary you demonstrate there*--- hey, im just talking to ur level. u can use all the BIG words and multiple paragraphs u want, ur still an weak willed idiot. *I'll stick to debating with the grown ups.*--- tell ur parents i said *hey*. BTW- i didnt say thank you.

  • ....*Don't remember posting support for either candidate, jay2517*--- like all the times uve called me a conservative, even tough ive never stated i was?? what a fucking hypocritical idiot u are.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    @ batmanster

    by jim

  • I watched intently every debate back in 2004 and there wasn't universal agreement that Bush got shellacked like Obama did. Bush lost, but he wasn't completely owned like last night. Every focus group and every pundit on every network overwhelmingly thought Romney dominated. I remember back in 2004 they talked about how irritable Bush got cause of the answers Kerry was giving. And Kerry looked more knowledgeable. But it wasn't a game-changer like this was. The focus groups that were run on the networks showed more of a partisan split. This time, every focus group I saw overwhelmingly thought Romney won, even liberals. The gang of idiots on MSNBC were on suicide watch. Chris Matthews looked like he'd been crying...

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    @ batmanster

    by jim

    It is a lot of money, but, like you said, it is worth it. And, relatively speaking, pretty much just a drop in the bucket.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Nice backbone there, jay2517. Way to stand up for your convictions.

    by Uncle Pooky

    Even though you come on here, clearly representing yourself as a conservative, and even though I've never actually called you out for it, you run and hide from the accusation *no one* made. No, what you were hearing from me was me calling you out for being an idiot. Your being stupid is completely independent from your political affiliation. Now, you can sit there and keep being a pussy about it and say that you never said you are a conservative... but with your *oblameyas* and your calling people out for being hacks because they don't do enough to promote a conservative or republican viewpoint, I would suggest simply growing some balls and acknowledging you've picked a side. And while you're at it, why don't you go ahead and be a man and admit that I've never posted one thing supporting or criticizing either candidate. I'm criticizing YOU, because you are a fool and a liar and a dipshit.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Oh...

    by Uncle Pooky

    And a pussy. can't forget that. You're a huge pussy and a coward.

  • Remember the infamous 'Bush blink' that lasted like 10 or 15 seconds during the debate? Yeah...

  • *Even though you come on here, clearly representing yourself as a conservative, and even though I've never actually called you out for it, you run and hide from the accusation *no one* made. No, what you were hearing from me was me calling you out for being an idiot.*--- right. u have called me an conservative before. but, like ur lack of anything, u conveniently ignore it. and what, exactly, am i an idiot on? calling out Hercs obvious bias?? calling out that oblameya got his ass served last night?? what a FUCKING HYPOCRITICAL MORON YOU ARE. please, tell me, how am i an idiot?? *Your being stupid is completely independent from your political affiliation. Now, you can sit there and keep being a pussy about it and say that you never said you are a conservative... but with your *oblameyas* and your calling people out for being hacks because they don't do enough to promote a conservative or republican viewpoint, I would suggest simply growing some balls and acknowledging you've picked a side.*--- says the pussinboots that posted this....*Don't remember posting support for either candidate, jay2517*...while totally bashing me for my *conservative* posts and siding with progressive hacks like red ned lynch. WHAT A FUCKING HYPOCRITE YOU ARE. *And while you're at it, why don't you go ahead and be a man and admit that I've never posted one thing supporting or criticizing either candidate. I'm criticizing YOU, because you are a fool and a liar and a dipshit.*--- quit stealing my lines, fuckwad. and WHAT the fuck have i lied about? name them or shut the fuck up. BTW- using ur idiot logic, i dont have to show posts of u supporting a candidate...i just have to ASSUME, like YOU DO. u are a fucking idiot of the nth degree...quit posting.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    oh....

    by jay2517

    *And a pussy. can't forget that. You're a huge pussy and a coward.*--- again!! i told u to quit projecting. its sad....

  • I'm not expecting numbers near that, but if they are, it will be a huge boon to voter confidence. So, my suggestion to the Romneyites: When you get into bed this evening, pray harder than over for shitty jobs numbers.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Dubya vs. JOhn KErry...

    by Immortal_Fish

    JOhn KErry's debate skills were projected to be on par with Cicero. And the idiot to whom English was a second language somehow still managed to hold his own. "Anyone want some wood?" It's useless to ask people in a static message forum that have access to search engines whether they remembered anything else specific from those debates. But go ahead and lie to yourself if it means you'll be able to rest well tonight. Back in 2004, you guys were all worked up by a lump in Dubya's shoulder. At the time, you were convinced that Dubya was receiving audio cues from Cheney, not unlike how Patrick tried to help Spongebob earn his driver's license. At the time, all of you were speculating just how else the idiot Dubya could manage to stand his ground against the mighty intellect of the haughty JOhn KErry, who once served in Viet Nam. But all that's out the window today. According to you now, Dubya lost all those debates to JOhn KErry handily. Gosh, it's almost like you liberals are trying to rewrite history. And we all know you guys NEVER attempt to do anything like that. None of you have any trouble citing percentages of polls taken after the debate of Dubya vs. JOhn KErry. Yet for some peculiar reason, none of you have also recounted how Reagan was polling very poorly vs. Carter a mere week before their general election. Odd, that (no, not really). It all comes down to a simple fact. OwebamAA+ is not good at debates because OwebamAA+ is never challenged by anyone on anything. Except for Univision, who are doing the journalism that American journalists no longer want to do.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Obeyme didn't lose the debate...

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...he was leading from behind.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    screaming *hypocrite!!!* is not really picking someone apart, dude

    by Uncle Pooky

    but, considering that reading comprehension is not really a strong suit of yours, it's really tough to fault you for thinking it is. hypothetically speaking, let's say I *have* called you a conservative... Exactly what does that prove? Did you still run from it? Of course you did. And you're an idiot because you jumping up and down screaming *oblameya got his ass handed to him!!!* Thanks for the news update. It's not like every news source out there said the same thing... oh wait, yes, it is. Congratulations, you scooped exactly no one. Did you also want to come in here and tell us all you discovered that water is wet? That fire is hot? Or is this some sort of need to feel validated by making sure people online agree with you? If it'll make you feel better, I'll sit here and say *yeah, I called Jay2517 a conservative a bunch of times*. But, like a shining example of a moron, you think that's why you're being attacked. And you, for some reason, think it's your duty to call out other people's biases while conveniently ignoring the fact that not only are you incredibly biased, but you've clearly taken it past the point of a difference in ideologies and gone straight to a place of hatred and deep-seated contempt. Sorry, but if you think ignoring someone based on an ideological opinion (such as what you claim herc does) and vehemently hating someone based on an ideological opinion (what you do) is in any way equal, then *that* is why you are an idiot. As for what you've lied about? Let's see... saying that I've bashed you for your conservative posts. That's one, from just today. But please... keep thinking you're making a sound case here. I'm really enjoying watching you spout empty rhetoric.

  • Frank Luntz, the guy who does focus groups, has never had such an overwhelming winner before. And all his focus groups in 2008 had Obama winning. This was a universal opinion of those who pay attention to this sort of thing that there hasn't been such a lopsided debate performance in almost forever. Living in denial and pulling out poll numbers without any context from 8 years ago, from a race you are probably too young to really remember, doesn't help you with the fact that Obama got humiliated on National TV last night in front of record viewers. This really is a game-changing event...

  • However, some people think that's what Obama did last night. He had no fight in him, no fire in the belly. He was embarrassed and looked a lot less Presidential...

  • The point is, it's not really helpful for your side to pretend last night didn't happen. You have to accept it and learn from it. Or Obama does, anyway.

  • If so, let me congratulate you, it was bloody brilliant.

  • http://www.tnr.com/blog/electionate/107171/exploding-the-reagan-1980-comeback-myth# Trust me: Romney ain't winning this thing. It's simply a good week of press for Romney, perhaps to be blunted by tomorrow's jobs numbers.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    *specifically

    by American Mythos

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST

    mythos

    by Immortal_Fish

    The New Republic? Would you like me to link you to an article on the website National Review about the man who REALLY produced a budget surplus while reforming welfare? You know, Newt Gingrich? No? Then you can understand why I remain unconvinced.

  • Not a good formula for this Reaganesque Romney landslide you conservative talkbackers keep predicting after one debate, and after an entire election year that consistently showed Romney behind, without even a post-convention bounce.

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    mythos

    by Immortal_Fish

    Weiner eventually looked very foolish. Don't be a Weiner!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Obama's doing great!

    by Coughlins Laws

    Yay Obama!

  • Oct. 4, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST

    How could Obeyme lose...?

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...when he had the one and only JOhn KErry as a debate coach? That very same haughty JOhn KErry, who once served in Viet Nam, who WON all his debates with Dubya. The very same guy that was Obeyme's debate coach. So what happened? Liberalism always wins when it is on full display. Right? Liberals were told for months that Romney provides no specifics. No wonder you guys were shocked when Romney was the only one who gave them. Obeyme brought platitudes to a fact fight. Mitt Romney took Obeyme for a cross country drive strapped onto the roof of his car. And you know it.

  • Reminds me of the Jimmy Carter days with gas rationing. Debt, unemployment, gas rationing, Libya foul ups, etc. I'm having a hard time figuring out if were in the late 70's or 2012. Obama's almost made things as bad as Carter did.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Most of the job growth has just been temporary jobs.

    by Paul

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 2:25 a.m. CST

    What gas rationing?

    by Chairman_Kaga

    Also aren't all jobs temporary?

  • Now we can reenact the debate at home with Chia heads.

  • This is the proverbial October surprise. You Romneyites didn't pray hard enough.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    That all means nothing

    by Paul

    People are still hurting badly thanks to Obama, numbers mean nothing when your still hurting.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    lost as usual, pooky, lost as usual...this is so easy...

    by jay2517

    *hypothetically speaking, let's say I *have* called you a conservative... Exactly what does that prove? Did you still run from it? Of course you did.*--- i run from nothing. and there is no *lets say*, u HAVE and now we can add liar to ur many titles. *And you're an idiot because you jumping up and down screaming *oblameya got his ass handed to him!!!* Thanks for the news update. It's not like every news source out there said the same thing... oh wait, yes, it is. Congratulations, you scooped exactly no one. Did you also want to come in here and tell us all you discovered that water is wet? That fire is hot? Or is this some sort of need to feel validated by making sure people online agree with you?*--- ???. uuh, ok? *If it'll make you feel better, I'll sit here and say *yeah, I called Jay2517 a conservative a bunch of times*. But, like a shining example of a moron, you think that's why you're being attacked. And you, for some reason, think it's your duty to call out other people's biases while conveniently ignoring the fact that not only are you incredibly biased, but you've clearly taken it past the point of a difference in ideologies and gone straight to a place of hatred and deep-seated contempt.*--- thanks for admitting ur previous lie. anyway, i have told u repeatedly, stop with the projection, little man! i hate no one. *Sorry, but if you think ignoring someone based on an ideological opinion (such as what you claim herc does) and vehemently hating someone based on an ideological opinion (what you do) is in any way equal, then *that* is why you are an idiot.*--- facts, u DO understand the meaning? i state them, u ignore them. what i state about HtfH is fact. and, again, i hate no one. *As for what you've lied about? Let's see... saying that I've bashed you for your conservative posts. That's one, from just today.*--- do u read what u post to me? apparently not LOL!!! what a fucking clueless idiot u are!!! again, what have i lied about? all in all, another utterly clueless and devoid of reality post from the *man* pooky! ur a sad piece of shit buddy :(

  • *i run from nothing.* HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You've done nothing but run from every point I've ever made! *uuh, ok?* I would like to criticize you for this response, but the fact is - you probably are better off giving up. *anyway, i have told u repeatedly, stop with the projection, little man! i hate no one.* I love this new tactic of yours, the claims of projecting. I mean, you're still saying nothing while also clearly demonstrating what a pussy you are, but still, kudos on changing up the method in which you look like a coward. *facts, u DO understand the meaning? i state them, u ignore them. what i state about HtfH is fact. and, again, i hate no one.* I do understand the facts... FACT: Herc ignores things because of a difference of opinion. FACT: Jay2517 can't stand someone having a difference of opinion, so he acts like a little bitch. FACT: Jay2517 based his ideologies on hate. *do u read what u post to me? apparently not LOL!!! what a fucking clueless idiot u are!!! again, what have i lied about?* I read what you post to me, and you type like a 15 year old girl. And you make as much sense as one, too. (actually, now things are starting to make sense. that's probably why you need so much approval from other people.) *all in all, another utterly clueless and devoid of reality post from the *man* pooky! ur a sad piece of shit buddy :(* Good slam. Really shook me up.

  • it only took oblameya 3 1/2 fucking years to do it LOL. another lie that exposes oblameya. u freaking progressives and ur *logic*...

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    7.8 does a few noteable things...

    by American Mythos

    First, it takes us back to where we were when Obama first took office, except back then we had 7.8 percent and were shedding hundreds of thousands of jobs per month. Today, it's 7.8 and we're gaining jobs at over 100,000 jobs per month, and those are numbers that are constantly being revised upward with each new report. There's no denying this is a slow recovery, but there's also no denying that there's tangible, upward mobility in our economy, seen in jobs numbers, housing numbers, auto industry numbers, consumer confidence, etc. 7.8 also carries huge implications in regard to the psychology of an electorate looking for good news in bad times. 7.8 takes away the GOP talking point of the economy staying over 8 percent under Obama, and it puts them in a position of having to trash news that gives consumers and voters confidence. For the first time in years, 40 percent of Americans say the country is headed in the right direction -- the biggest 'right direction' numbers since the recession began in December 2007, and completely crashed in September 2008. I don't think Romney and the Republicans will be doing themselves any favors by pooh-poohing what most Americans will see as the best economic news in 4 years, but they can try. Another thing to remember about voter perception, be it right or wrong: Job performance will always trump debate performance in their eyes. It was true when Mondale took Reagan to the wood shed, and true when Kerry took George Bush to the wood shed (3 times), and will be true of Obama's lackluster performance on Wednesday. If voters see a president trying and, in this case succeeding, slowly but surely, they'll usually give the incumbent the benefit of the doubt. And one thing Romney won't be able to look forward to at the next debate is an ill prepared Obama. In closing: If you need any clearer indicator of where this race stands, watch a little bit of the news tonight. On Romney, you'll see the former Governor apologizing for calling 47% of Americans victims and deadbeats. And on Obama, you'll see the president cautiously lauding a dramatic decrease in unemployment, coupled with a returning, newly confident workforce. Spin this as you like, but something like that is NEVER a good contrast. Never. And Coughlins, if you're reading, I'm still waiting for you to accept my bet. If you're so confident of a Reaganesque landslide for Romney (you conservatives seem to forget Reagan won states like California, Washington, Oregon, New York, Massachusetts, and other deep blue states Romney can never carry), put your money where you're mouth is. I'm putting my money on what I believe will be a second term for Obama.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    *your mouth

    by American Mythos

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Kerry and Romney

    by Eddie_Dane

    I can't handle these guys who look like the head from ReAnimator. Didn't like it in 04 and I don't like it now. I'm going with Jill Stein.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Pooky don't waste your time

    by quicksilver80

    You mopped the floor with the guy and he is still running in circles trying to score a hit and failing miserably

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Guess what happens when you reduce the workforce?

    by GeorgieBoy

    The unemployment rate goes down! But I guess taking millions of workers off the books doesn't matter, does it? Face it. Obama is a fraud.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST

    good god, man, give it up! ur just rambling now!

    by jay2517

    facts.... 1. i run from nothing. u make no points. 2. when u make no points, and incoherently ramble, u will get an *uhh ok?* every time. 3. obviously u dont know the meaning of projection. sad. here is a great example though- *(actually, now things are starting to make sense. that's probably why you need so much approval from other people.)* 4. again, i dont hate. what i state about Herc is fact. sorry u dont like it. 5. it would be a bad experience for u to learn first hand of my so called *cowardice*. very bad, but enjoyable for me :) *Good slam. Really shook me up.* i know they do, thats why u have to write multiple paragraphs in response. quit posting, u continue to embarrass urself.

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    quicksilver80...another term for Fucking Idiot.

    by jay2517

    they are in abundance here...

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Herbert Hoover...

    by Immortal_Fish

    Remember when Dem rats were yapping about Dubya presiding over the greatest job loss since Herbert Hoover? Don't hear that comparison much these days. Prolly has something to do with their guy having a worse record. The unemployment rate was mostly in the fives under Dubya. And it was awful according to the media. Yet today, 7.8% is great news! Since when did we start to measure the unemployment rate in tenths of a percentage? And since when have we avoided reporting the unemployment percentage being readjusted upward a week or two later? The universe of jobs has shrunk on OwebamAA+'s watch. That means the number of people employed today are fewer than the number of those that were employed when OwebamAA+took orifice. This doesn't take population growth into account -- a statistic that every presidential administration attempts to remain ahead of... well, every *other* presidential administration attempted to remain ahead of, at least... by creating an economic environment that promotes job growth. I know! Bush's fault! That asshole that somehow managed to successfully pull one of our financial markets out of decimation a mere 9 months into his first turn. And he did it with no mention of inheriting a foreign policy nightmare from BJ Clitnon. Anyway, that asshole Dubya that took more than 7 seconds to react to the towers being hit somehow accelerated healing of a tailspinning economy faster than a freshman senator that too often voted present has accomplished in four years running. I forget. Are we on our second or third summer of recovery? mythos, 'And one thing Romney won't be able to look forward to at the next debate is an ill prepared Obama.' You're dreaming, pal. One thing Romney won't be able to look forward to at the next debate is an ill prepared MEDIA!!

  • Oct. 5, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Uh-oh, we have some conspiracy nuts in immortal_fish and georgieboy.

    by American Mythos

    Obama's fudging the jobs numbers and the media is going to carry Obama to a round two debate victory. It's kind of sad and funny to watch conservatives sit and spin and start preparing the excuses for why Romney will lose. Haha, priceless. But also :o(

  • Oct. 6, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    uberfreak's 5 step plan for Obama's victory...

    by Arcadian

    1. lead by a razor thin margin in every poll 2. totally bomb live on national stage in a debate 3. fall behind by an average of 6 points in every poll 4. ......? 5. PROFIT!