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Let The Right Monkey In?

Published at: Oct. 1, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST by Nordling

Nordling here.

I was a little bummed to hear that Rupert Wyatt would not be returning to the se-prequel (or whatever these things are being called) to RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES.  I think Wyatt brought a real sense of scale and yet didn't forget to care about the characters as well.  RISE was the most surprising movie of 2011, because I think most everyone expected it to not be very good.  That it turned out to be one of the best genre movies of that year can be laid at the feet of Rupert Wyatt, I feel.

Last week Fox threw out some potential names to continue the franchise, but according to Deadline it was always Matt Reeves' to turn down, and he has accepted the directing slot for DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, with Andy Serkis returning to the role of Caesar, the hero of the ape revolution.  I still like CLOVERFIELD a lot, and although I vastly prefer the original, Reeves didn't embarrass himself with LET ME IN, the LET THE RIGHT ONE IN remake.  In fact, there are some interesting visual moments in that film, and the performances are across the board excellent.

My concern is that the sense of characterization and emotion that made the first one so good will be diffused, but I don't think I need to worry on that front.  Reeves did well with that aspect of LET ME IN, and Serkis is just so damn good at what he does that Reeves would do well to just step aside and let Serkis do his thing.  DAWN OF THE PLANET OF THE APES will be released on May 23, 2014.

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  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST

    Another victim...

    by TheFilmYap

    Of the Kristin Stewart affair...Wait, is that the right Rupert?

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    fox have learned jack shit!

    by Kakii

    Rothman has gone but still Fox havent learned from that, not screwing your franchise isnt high on their list, for god's sake let a guy have time yo make the right movie!

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I say bring in Renny Harlin. Fuck it.

    by Chris

  • Is it definitely the "how it all began" story to Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes", or is that simply assumed?

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Let Me In Was Quite Good

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    It reflected a nice balance between character development and the horror sequences – hopefully that will carry over into the Apes sequel (I agree RISE was surprisingly good). It was especially impressive what they were able to do with the Andy Serkis / CGI Caesar – the range of emotion displayed was fantastic.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    So this is going to be a direct sequel?

    by Sluggolicious

    I assumed it would leap forward 1000 years or so, given all that 'Icarus' stff happening in the background, including it getting lost in space.

  • Maybe it was a money issue or maybe he wanted to do other stuff instead. Anyway, Matt Reeves is a good replacement.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Can we please get a Dark Knight Returns talkback?

    by seymour_scagnetti

    It's been a week.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    So Dawn is a prequel to Rise?

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    I know it's not, but wouldn't it make more sense if the first one was called Dawn?

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Dawn you all to HELL

    by Cassius_Crackhead

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Whatever

    by albert comin

    Matt Reeves is a jobber, no real voice as a filmmaker, just one guy doing a job. Probably why the studio picked him, anyway.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Wyatt left the same reason Ross left Hunger Games

    by terry1978

    Somebody fucked him over within the studio regarding something he wanted but refused.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST

    was Uwe Boll unavaiable?

    by CARTMANEZ

    seriously give a guy a break

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Derisible Planet of the Apes

    by jazzdownunder

    True, it was a very surprising movie of 2011... surprising because I and my fiancée don't usually fall for the marketting BS that traps so many sheep into lauding superficial trash as cinematic marvels. This was the ONLY movie of 2011 that had us both literally laughing out loud at the embarrassingly bad performances and shaking our heads at the ridiculous story points. The only redeeming feature in the movie were the various call-outs to the originals. Sadly however those felt insulting as the movie itself didn't earn the right to do that. So instead of respectful homage they instead simply served to remind us that instead of paying good money to sit in a theatre watching this drivel, we could have stayed at home with a nice bottle of wine and watched a truly great APES movie. As for LET ME IN... I saw that at a movie marathon last year and whilst it has merit it is another of those pointless remakes of a much superior original European movie. Yes, there were some nice visuals in the remake, but the meat of the characters was overlooked compared to the much deeper and more layered original. So if the APES franchise owners are looking to repeat the superficial, FX marketing driven tedium of DERISIBLE then they may well have chosen the right guy.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Everybody is heaping praise on RISE's director...

    by moondog

    But it was the script that was far more thoughtful and nuanced than a reboot deserved... Great writing coupled with Serkis' performance and Weta's digital make-up - all Wyatt had to do was point the camera in the right direction and make sure it was rolling. Here's hoping DAWN's script is just as strong.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Here's to gravity...

    by Glenn

    Please dear God, Weta handled it so well whenever they work with Jackson, but for some reason either couldn't replicate the physics of WEIGHT properly in the wide-shot CGI effects. Closeups -- awesome. Tons-of-monkeys shots? Ruined the reality. I'm still amazed at the love for this film, I found it structurally trite and thematically moribund (the company guy wants more money! what a shocker! The cage-cleaner is a nasty animal abuser? Way to vet your employees!). This is called writing to the result; it's like telling an actor "be angry, be sad" rather than doing the "Sydney Pollack actor's director" work of indirectly providing them something to think about so's they can arrive organically at their motivation (he said that by telling an actor exactly what they should be/feel essentially detonates the very thought process a human being wrestles with -- which is psychologically defeating to the process of acting. Needless to say, brilliant guy). Whoops, drifted into minutiae. But really, someone needs to tell Fox to stop speeding up the Ape action and pay attention to the reality of motion and Newton's Laws. Also, quit 'making' a camera in the computer that can follow anything anywhere at any speed, it looks like cartoons. This is where JJ Abrams earns his keep, because every single FX shot in "Star Trek" looked like it was shot from a real camera in space/orbit/atmosphere. The guy knows his shit (and yes, I liked the flares, and no, I don't care if you vehemently disagree with me, go have that argument somewhere else; I'm a Carpenter/McTiernan/Vilmos anamorphic man, so bring on the uncoated Cooke lenses from the 70s and 80s, yo). Speaking of, is there anyone on here who knows their camera tech pretty well? I'd love to have an exchange of information, specifically in regards to the above...

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Serkis should co-direct

    by performingmonkey

    He seems heavily involved in The Hobbit, and surely there can be no-one better to direct anything involving mocap in this new Apes flick?

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Giacchino to compose Goldsmith-influenced score!

    by darthpigman

    Should be a step up from the terrible Hans Zimmer-styled score for the last film.

  • ...thanks to the apparent pandemic that got unleashed at the very end of the first film, let alone Caesar and the SF Ape Posse needing to breed some more super-sentient apes. They might as well just jump forward a decade or so and have the New Ape Order decide to annex what's left of the depopulated San Francisco or something.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Cant wait to see this

    by Dawhiteguy

    Will they be filming at the monroeville mall?

  • Yes, yes it would. Using "rise" in a movie title is a bit of a pet peeve with me. I find it lazy and unimaginative. When the title "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" was announced I cringed. Sounded like an astronomical event "look east around 4 am and you can see the rise of the planet of the apes". Made me wonder why not call it "Dawn of the Planet of the Apes"? You maintain the celestial allusion (if that was the intent) as well as still stating it is a beginning, a starting point. Also, "dawn" is much more poetic than "rise". Instead they decided to use "Dawn" for the sequel. Huh? Dawn is the first appearance of sunlight, the brief moment that signals the start of the day. Rise suggest more of an ongoing, continuing, event. For example, sunrise, which occurs both at, but also continues after, the dawn. Geez, what's the third film going to be called? "Daybreak of the Planet of the Apes"? Followed by "Morning of the Planet of the Apes" and "Ascension of the Planet of the Apes"?

  • No idea. Personally, I'd say it's a prequel to fuck all, especially not the original series of movies. It's a full-on restart of the 'Planet of the Apes' story, only they're doing it in the "dumb" chronological way for today's text-happy audience.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    big jim

    by Glenn

    Agreed on your post. We all know why "Rises" is the new hot title suffix/prefix... even titles are no longer fresh. This is like when Robinov (Warner Bros.) instantly said that all comic book movies would be "dark" following the grand success of "The Dark Knight". These are the kinds of people making the overall creative decisions at the studios; he's a former agent -- you do the algebra ("Oh that made money?? Everything like that now! OH that over there made money? Quick, change to that!" ... it's like watching dogs sniff around for the closest ass). The 4th Apes film should be called "Waxing of the Planet of the Apes." It could be a cross with "Zardoz" about how the young Apes toss the old Apes into their version of convalescent colonies for the aged. Then you call the 5th film "Waning of the Planet of the Apes" where they actually do go to the moon -- the twist being, they test the first rocket launches with human guinea pigs. Hardy har.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    First thing I thought when I read the headline:

    by buggerbugger

    Oh shit, someone's remaking 'Phenomena'. Or 'Monkey Shines'. Leave those simian classics alone, fuckers.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    The third will be called Mid Day of the Planet of the Apes

    by Snake Foreskin

    Or perhaps Noon of the Planet of the Apes. I believe we would have been better served had it been a trilogy, titled thusly: Breakfast of the Planet of the Apes, Lunch of the Planet of the Apes (Brunch when played on Sundays), and Dinner of the Planet of the Apes. In the South, it would be Supper of the Planet of the Apes. And if the franchise made such big bucks they had to break the third film into a two-parter a la Harry Potter or The Hobbit, then they could always call the last installment Dessert of the Planet of the Apes. But no one listens to me.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Like Reeves, wish he had got the Superman gig.

    by Shermdawg

    Who knows, he might've rightfully cast Lizzy Caplan as Lois.

  • I'm pretty sure they're setting it up so a third film would be an actual remake of the Heston film.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I tried watching LET ME IN ...

    by IAmLegolas

    after the brilliant LET THE RIGHT ONE IN and I feel dumber for it. I only stuck it out to see how the infamous pool scene turned out and it wasn't even close.

  • It was a well directed movie, but that screenplay had some really wonderful touches and the CGI worked. Matt Reeves is a huge talent, he's the best director to comeout of the Abrams team and Let Me In proved he can work with actors. I think he can do just as good of a job as Wyatt, it just needs to have a good enough script for him to work with.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Yay Reeves!

    by Carmen A

    I think its a good choice I only hope the script allows for the human characters to be more than 2 dimensional. The first one failed terribly with that

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    rumourd

    by jim

    I'm astonished they didn't go with "Twilight of the Planet of the Apes". Maybe that's being saved for a later flick.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    APES NOT MONKEYS. It's not difficult. The clue is in the title!

    by Jam Banjo

    For a better more detailed and funnier rant than I could come up with, see this: www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2011/apr/19/1

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    I would soooooo watch a Monkey Vampire movie

    by thelordofhell

    That would be awesome!!!

  • just to fuck with our minds about how crazy and awesome the film will be ok they may not want to do a sequel to Apes but give them 10x what they usual get and a massive budget to play with with little-no studio interference then maybe it would happen eh? yeah Matt Reeves is good and all but its like a safe bet. totally expected. i want some crazy choice that could go wrong but would probably end up the most amazing movie of all time and not just Apes 2 either - other SF stuff like a Star Trek or Terminator (imagine a T Malick Terminator film) sometimes crazy things like that do happen - aronofsky almost directing Wolverine 2, joss whedon directing Avengers maybe and getting Brangah to do Thor (Marvel are really getting into the great left field but totally makes sense choice of directors), even stuff like Singer directing XMen then Superman, Nolan directing Batman etc (in fact most of the modern day superhero movies - not just Marvel...that kind of thing needs to happen with SF films too not just comic book stuff - crazy out of the blue 'ohmagod i cant beleive they got soandso to direct the next SF sequel 'type thing)

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    @ thecomedian, then it's not a prequel

    by jim

    That would make it a movie with 2 sequels, the first part of a trilogy (assuming it ends at 3). It'd be like saying "Star Wars" is a prequel to "Return of the Jedi". The original POTA series does a good job of explaining the history, how it all began. What happened in "Rise" has nothing to do with Heston's series. That'd be like saying "Batman Begins" is a prequel to Burton's Batman movies.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Wow, what a boring choice

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    What a boring and uninspired choice. Let Me In Sucked. Did that movie make ANY money? And Cloverfield...was okay... really annoying whitebread characters though. There is noting to get excited about with this announcement.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    From the director of David Schwimmer's "The Pallbearer"

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    Rise of the Planet of the Friends

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    @cartmanez

    by Glenn

    You're being silly and unrealistic. First off, you're assuming that the older directors you listed would be interested, and they wouldn't. Coppola makes what he wants now, he hates the studio machinery; Malick doesn't do this kind of material and why would he when he's making exactly what he wants to WITH proper financing; Herzog also would think this is beneath him. You're assuming that these guys are hire-able automatons and they're clearly auteurists at this point, having been through the cogs previously. Also, studios like youth (relativistically); young stars, young directors, etc. Youth is malleable; youth has yet to build enough of a power base or fuck-you money or elder's exhaustion. Young directors can still be controlled via intimidation and incentivized with industry perks, i.e. gifts, money, selective power, pussy/cock, fame, and on and on. I'd love to see your suggestions at play. It'll never happen so your post is ultimately inert.

  • ...because he didn't want to do a rush job.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Scrip concerns

    by Green

    My concern is that the sense of characterization and emotion that made the first one so good will be diffused, but I don't think I need to worry on that front...

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Hmm

    by jemagee

    So - screenwriters aren't important to you huh? Putz

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Script concerns -- cut off the rest of my comment

    by Green

    The above was written by Nordling. It will be a concern if the script sucks. I've heard it rumored that whatever screenplay/treatment they've developed for this thing is pretty awful and is one of the reason Wyatt left. Maybe it's just hearsay. But it is Fox, the studio that can fuck up a baked potato...

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST

    rumourd - yeah i know it wouldnt happen but what if it did

    by CARTMANEZ

    who knows Planet of the Apes might be Malicks all time fave movies. he could be a massive Apes fan with a room full of memoroblia dedicated to apes and even loves the Burton remake . he hears Dawn of the Apes is looking for a new director and throws his hat into the ring, studio umms and arrs about it, not sure but Malick begs them to let him do it - offering to work for free, even to pay the studio to let him direct, begging them like 'please..i want this...i NEED this!....i need to do this...i need to do it for myself etc'

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Make up your mind Nordling

    by John Brown

    My concern is that the sense of characterization and emotion that made the first one so good will be diffused, but I don't think I need to worry on that front.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Reeves pulled off the impossible with Let Me in.

    by Yelsaeb

    I thought it was going to be complete crap but Reeves proved me wrong. I'm sure his version of the ape uprising is going to be great.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Can we change the name of the first one to

    by kindofabigdeal

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Attack of the Humans...followed by Revenge of the Planet of the Apes.

    by kindofabigdeal

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Hahaha ... Funny timing!

    by D_T

    So I'm reading this article and the Simpsons is on the background ... the scene with Troy McClure doing the Planet of the Apes musical is on: You finally made a monkey out of meeeeee! I love you Dr. Zaius!

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Actually, I am okay with Reeves on this Apes film

    by lv_426

    Perhaps they'll do this new Planet of the Apes saga like the Alien films? A different director on each film to give each chapter a different flavor. So far we have Rise of the Planet of the Apes directed by Rupert Wyatt. Next is Dawn of the Planet of the Apes to be directed by Matt Reeves. After that I'd love to see Fall of the Planet of the Apes directed by someone like Neil Marshall. I say forget the Tim Burton one in this continuity. I actually don't hate that one like a lot of people do, but it was a bit of a mess at times. The ape makeup was amazing though. I think that as good as Rise turned out via digital ape effects, I still prefer the Apes film to use actors in prosthetic makeup effects. Either way, leave Burton's Planet of the Apes remake as an interesting but flawed one off. Oh yeah, don't forget to do a crazy franchise mashup, like say Fraking Planet of the Apes... where the Battlestar Galactica gets to Earth and finds that it is ruled by a society of talking apes!

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Terence Malick's Dawn of the Planet of the Apes????

    by lv_426

    I'm trying to imagine what that would be like. I think I broke my brain trying to do so.

  • They can do action/adventure and sci-fi, and in Marshall's case fantastical creatures.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    jazzdownunder

    by Fart Magnus

    Thank you sir. My partner and I thought we were the ONLY people in the world that really did not like the first film - based on your name it seems like only antipodes(I am in Perth)can see through the emperor's new clothes and recognize this for the piece of crap it was! After hearing for months about the wonderful CGI we laughed out loud at a scene where the monkey is swinging though Franco's house. My first thought was, Who let a pre-viz animatic slip through to the final cut?!? I felt like I was watching a Saturday morning cartoon from the early eighties, it was THAT bad! Then we come to Charlton Heston's iconic line and the dickhead director gets Draco Malfoy to deliver it. Yes. That's right. One of THE WORST actors of the modern day who has trouble spitting out even mono syllables gets to utter one of the most famous lines in science fiction. I fully expected Heston's lifeless zombie corpse to dig its way out if its grave, grab his rifle and track the little fucker down, such was the butchering of said line. So much more wrong with this film but I cannot waste any more time thinking about it! I have liestened for over a year now as people heap praise on this piece of shit film and I am graitified there is SOMEBODY ELSE that can see through it for the rubbish it is!

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Night of the Living Dead Ape Planet

    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    But would they be fast zombie apes or slow zombie apes?

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Good fit

    by Bass Ackwards

    Reeves is a guy who seems comfortable in properties others have already defined. As long as they have a strong story to back him up, I'm sure he'll do just fine with bringing it to moving picture form.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Fast Times At Zaius High

    by lv_426

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Beverly Hills Ape Cop

    by lv_426

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Apepocalypse Now

    by lv_426

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Bonobo Heat

    by lv_426

    Can't forget some dark and sweaty ape-noir.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST

    cartmanez: Terence Malick's Terminator

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    would just be repetitive shots of nuclear-ravaged landscapes and skulls for thirty minutes. Then the focus would shift to Skynet, which would have slow-motion filled flashbacks to its early life as a bare motherboard, with metaphorical images of the computer scientists who created it suggesting they are its 'parents'; then would follow pretentious imagery trying to visually depict a machine 'intelligence' (lots of abstract visuals and 1 and 0's). There would be no dialogue whatsoever for the entire three hour running time, just an ultra slow version of the Terminator theme, arranged for the pan pipes, underscoring the visuals. Who am I kidding - that sounds awesome! Sign him up immediately!

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    "LET ME IN" WAS BLAND

    by Mullah Omar

    I didn't expect it to be better than the original, but Reeves version was pretty much in one ear and out the other, I can only remember being completely unimpressed by it and thinking that it was somehow LESS exciting than its low-key Swedish inspiration. I think the Swedish cast simply convinced me more than the US cast. I did like CLOVERFIELD, though.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Welcome to getting older!

    by Fart Magnus

    19 year olds will start looking at you like you're a cave man listening to the Andrews Sisters on your radiola. I am 42 and still feel 17. The benefit is I have my own home, LOTS of disposeable income(and a partner with same), can travel when I please and have some wisdom gained through experience. My life is pretty fucking fun right now. As for today's kids, Mama Fratelli was right.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Man, this flick and X-Men: First Class . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . I must need to turn in my geek card or something. I just . . . don't . . . get it . . . So much love and I'm over here thinking they're both just laughably, bad . . .

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Nope - you're not the only one

    by Fart Magnus

    Check my comment and jazzdownunder's from above. This was one of those, [Has the rest of the world gone crazy and seen something I didn't?] things for me last year. Then I just realized the emperor had no clothes.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Nordling = Devin Faraci

    by magic_ninja

    Nearly the exactly same bullshit spewed by yet another self loathing cunt that thinks blogging makes him a "journalist". Can't wait for Nordling and Devin's glowing reviews once they get their set visits.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Get Off My Lawn of the Planet of the Apes

    by fuzzy_dunlop

    Clint Eastwood as an elderly, disgruntled chimp who is tired of all the gibbon hooligans. Cinema GOLD.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST

    I don't agree that it

    by Rorschach1

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST

    I don't agree that it's "laughably bad"...

    by Rorschach1

    Look to the fact that Tim Burton's was essentially a stylized action movie where the original was a drama/suspense. I also don't find that the original holds as much weight as it once did, so even though it's a cinema classic, I think that "Rise" did a fine job of reintroducing without retreading. Now, I'll say that Tom Felton (I believe is his name) was a little hard to stomach. He did his best to hide a British accent and play the "I'm more than a Malfoy" game, but it just came off a bit silly. To say that the entire movie is "laughably bad" does a disservice to a lot of the finer moments and clever visual and verbal tie-ins (Caesar's unfinished statue of Liberty model, the dozens of characters named in honor of original actors). And above all, I think that film accomplished something that I didn't think it could. It made a CGI chimp who said one word a charming and emotionally fulfilling character that we wanted to see win. Even at the cost of human civilization.

  • but the movie felt like it was three hours long. And they used every cliche they could think of. I didn't think the movie was very good at all. I was quite bored by it.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST

    by weldon

    not the tim burton one but a prequel to the original planet of the apes movies from the 60's. Ceasar was the first ape to speak, the ship charleton heston was on was lost in space. it ties in with the old ones, the tim burton one had nothing to do with the original movies.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Weldon

    by Glenn

    Officially, there were no prequels made to the original POTA. Now, did the timeline of the sequels go back in time? Yes, but that's a different matter altogether. That would be like saying Back to the Future III was a prequel to the original BTTF, which it is not. If I recall, the third POTA movie (I forget all their prefix names, sorry, been awhile, though I loved them as a kid) is where the Apes fly James Franciscus' ship into space just before earth explodes from the Mutants lighting up a nuclear device. Somehow the ship goes back in time to present day america where the female Ape gets pregnant and Caesar is born and secreted off into a wandering circus, which leads to POTA 4. Also, Charleton Heston's spaceship was not lost in space, it was headed back to earth while all aboard were in hypersleep...then mysteriously crash landed centuries later on an 'exotic planet'. I could just be responding in a way that doesn't address what you were asking or proffering, but your post was so nonspecific and undefined in its intention that I couldn't tell if you were stating or inquiring...

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 4:40 a.m. CST

    Anyone else still hoping for a Monkey Island movie?

    by chrmani

    If they could weave it in to The Planet of Apes Saga no-one would be expecting that.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Dawn of the Dead vs Planet of The Apes

    by The Shroud

    Makes sense. The virus is turning all the humans into zombies and the Apes have to "cull" them

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Werner Herzogs Twilight Fromthe Break O Dawn part 2

    by CARTMANEZ

    coming this christmas.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST

    Francis Ford Coppola presents....a Terence Malick film....

    by CARTMANEZ

    The Hunger Games part 3

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    @thecomedian (and weldon)

    by buggerbugger

    re: "It's a prequel because they set up Taylor and the lost Mars mission and begin to explain why humanity will die off into a minority. I'm pretty sure they're setting it up so a third film would be an actual remake of the Heston film." As big jim says, then it's not a prequel, it's simply the start of a new version of the 'POTA' story and the "missing" Mars mission will - presumably - pop up out of some time-rift in a later movie and Taylor won't be played by Charlton Heston (obviously). They're not "setting up" the Heston movie, they're leading up to a new take on the original 'POTA' with a new Taylor. 'Batman Begins' isn't a prequel to Burton's 'Batman' because it shows Bruce Wayne wearing the cowl for the first time or setting up some mysterious bad guy who uses a Joker as a calling card. Rob Zombie's 'Halloween' doesn't act as a prequel to show you how Michael Myers became evil in John Carpenter's 'Halloween'. Two separate 'Batman' series. Two separate takes on 'Halloween'. Two different 'Apes' series. With Mark Wahlberg frowning a lot in between.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST

    by IKilledSuperman

    So, will we see Mark Wahlberg in the third one?

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 5:57 a.m. CST

    Who should play Taylor in Apes 3?

    by CARTMANEZ

    got to be some huge guy Liam Neeson? (too old i guess)

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    Arnie as Taylor?

    by CARTMANEZ

    that would be nice - going back to him almost being cast as a Taylor type in Oliver Stones Apes in the mid 90s but again maybe too old (he nearly be 70 by the time a 3rd Apes is out)

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 6:09 a.m. CST

    Re: "Why Does Everyone Call RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES A Prequel?"

    by ArmageddonProductions

    Actually, it isn't, People seem to continually forget that it is, in fact, a loose remake of CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES, which was the fourth movie in the original PLANET OF THE APES series (and also not a "prequel"; due to the whole wonky time travel business, the series did kind of a Moebius loop in ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES and had Caesar's parents, Cornelius and Zira, use Taylor's spaceship to travel back to 1970, Zira has Caesar, Ricardo Montelban hides the kid, Caesar shows up as an adult in the next movie to lead the genetically-altered ape revolution that spawns the apes taking over the Earth). Granted, if you look at it this way, RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES would technically be the first movie in a remake series of PLANET OF THE APES films, but in any event: NOT A PREQUEL!

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST

    Rise of the Apes was a re-imagining/remake of Conquest...

    by CARTMANEZ

    then i think Burtons movie was a remake of the entire Apes saga: Apes 68 - lone astronaut crash lands on Ape planet, similar escapades, escape to the forbidden zone with dumb female and zira like chimp, shock end etc etc (obviously contains the most similar elements to the 68 original) Beneath - talking humans, 2 spaceships - one going after the other, apes trek to/wage war in the Forbidden zone, big ancient nuclear device activated. Escape - Ape (Thade) retrieves pod from water and uses it to go back in time, chimp in a space suit Conquest - the Apes started out as helpers until one (Ceaser/Semos) created a rising...also humans as slaves/pets - a reverse of the Apes in that film Battle - epic Braveheart style Ape vs Man battle at the end, Ape v Ape showdown, humans and Apes reconciling (but not really as seen in the very last statue scene - crying statue/Ape Lincoln) -it also had strong elements of the TV series as well.The talking slave humans, Thade- like Urko, H.B.Carter was similar to Galen. plus there were some obvious homages/nods to 2001 (the pods, "Lt Bowman report to the bridge", interior of the space station wasn’t unlike Discovery, Marky Mark watching videos of his pals like Frank Poole, time displacement sort of similar to the stargate, intelligent apes in a barren land ) plus weirdly the original Apes was out in 68 - the same year as Kubricks 2001..and the Apes remake was out in 2001

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST

    they had the perfect shock end to Burtons Apes and they blew it

    by CARTMANEZ

    instead of the nonsensical Ape Lincoln end they couldve had the twist be Walberg discovering the crashed spaceship ruins (abit like the Staute of Liberty) and finding out he'd inadvertantly created the planet of the apes (as it was in the film)....but then finding out the planet is actually Earth millions of years ago….

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Rise of the Apes is also like a remake of 68 Apes

    by CARTMANEZ

    with Ceaser instead of Taylor

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    Duh it's a loose remake of Quest

    by Andrew Coleman

    Always thought geeks just saw that. I'm sure non-geeks though think it's a prequel but who cares. When it comes to Dawn I'm down with the idea that humanity is dying off and can't stop the ape uprising. That shit will be fun to watch. To the one guy trying to rip into everyone's fun you're full of shit... Little note to you on bullshitting. Don't go out of your way to say things like "I'm really well off and fucking love my life unlike those 19 year olds..." blah blah blah. Cool you laughed at Rise of thePlanet of the Apes like a high school kid. Good for you. But just because you can't have a good time doesn't mean you're right. It just means you're a douche who probably has no friends because you're bitter and cynical. No one believes you that you're "rich" or have a "partner". Just say you didn't enjoy Rise... Don't go on some bullshit tangent how it's terrible and you don't understand the love blah blah blah. It's all bull shit.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    apes

    by Dollar Bird

    My hate for Burton's apes film is nearly endless. When Ape Lincoln showed up, I was livid. The whole movie had worked hard enough to disappoint me in every way (aside from the makeup) and then gave that ludicrous ending. I remember saying to my friends that I would have been a lot more forgiving if everyone on earth was a lizard. That would have been a surprise, but was anyone shocked to see that Earth was inexplicably overrun with apes?* As for the new ape film, I never saw it, but I'd see rumourd's Zardoz+Apes film in a heartbeat. If they took the franchise into weirdo territory, I'd be interested. But as for now, ANGRY CHIMPS: THE MOTION PICTURE doesn't interest me. I always wondered what the Rod Serling PLANET OF THE APES screenplay was like. I'm sure I always will. *Which, I know, was how the novel was. The apes drove cars and stuff in the book.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Chris Hemsworth will be playing Taylor.

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    He will be in every movie 2014. That's okay, cause he's my man-crush.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Power Struggle in the Ape Circle

    by Deep Roots

    Dawn will no doubt feature more human/ape battles, but what I am most interested in seeing are the power struggles among the apes. We saw Caesar quash a couple of the more, ummm, violent and vengeful apes in Rise. Particularly that badass one with the bum eye. Methinks Caesar will be fighting two fronts in the sequel. Trying to lead a defense against attacking humans, but also trying to keep an ethical approach in his leadership. (I.e., we don't go on the attack for the revenge of it, we don't kill unarmed humans, etc...) But others in his camp will want to annihilate and humiliate the humans. They will try to depose Caesar as leader. This will end, presumably, will Caesar's banishment and perhaps even death. I will cry because I love Caesar.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST

    Lets talk about Zardoz instead

    by j

  • no f-words. Never before or since has a fabulous movie been completely ruined by a pg13 rating. It took a great gimmick and did it wonderfully, really immersing you in the situation. but a bunch of 20-somethings running around with a giant monster on the loose and NOBODY SAYS FUCK!?!? took me right out.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    POTA Doesn't Make Sense to Me

    by Shankapotomus

    The only way it can work is if Taylor and his crew are taking off just before Caesar is born or matures. Otherwise, the take over of the planet has begun already and Taylor and his crew would know about it and put two and two together when they crash on a planet dominated by apes. Or is Taylor from another reality where the Apes don't rise? But if that's the case, why does he think that Humans "blew it up" and "finally did it." The Statue of Libery ruin makes him think its his planet, but if he's from another reality, then its not - not really. It's not as poignent if its not from the same reality. So I guess other than the alagorical nature of the movie and the "message" it contains about humanity, I don't get the Sci-fi now that it's been prequeled. Im sure Im being stupid, but it seems flawed to me and I'll look forward to seeing how they make it all gel.

  • the final scene of 1968 film suggests that a man vs man Nuclear War at some point after Taylor had left earth messed up the balance of things so much so that Apes became the dominant species.....thats why Taylor is on ethe beach yelling. 'Beneath' kept the dangers of nuclear weapons message of the original film …but then 'Escape' gave us spaceship flying time travelling Apes (pity Heston and his buddies didn’t think to fish his damaged beyond repair ship out the water eh) and we find some space virus killed all cats and dogs so humans made apes their pets/slaves in Conquest and the nuclear war that followed (the aftermath seen in 'Battle') is somehow due to that Escape/Conquest/Battle - seem to create an alternate universe thing, the 68 Apes (and Beneath) work best when you totally ignore the others.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    @ shankapotomus

    by jim

    The way I remember it is Taylor and crew did leave Earth about a year or so before Cornelius & Zira (and the other one) came back from the future. The fate of Taylor and his men is one of the things that makes some people somewhat wary of the "apes". The other thing is their explanation of their history. In it, they mention there was an ape uprising when Aldo first defied his masters by saying "No". I've always understood it that what originally happened was very close to what we saw in Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, except without Caesar. As for the nuclear war, it happened in between Conquest and Battle (movies 4 & 5). What Taylor discovered was in his reality. The world he left, in trying to deal with the original (Aldo-led) ape uprising, also resorted to nulcear weapons and "blew it up". I guess by coming back an alternate timeline is created by having Caesar leading the apes instead of Aldo. But there is some ambiguity at the end of Battle for the Planet of the Apes as to whether or not apes and humans will continue to peacefully co-exist (changing the future) or will it eventually end up like it was when Taylor arrived. Are you referring to "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" when you say "I don't get the Sci-fi now that it's been prequeled."? If so, worry not. "Rise" isn't a prequel to the 60s/70s movie series. Think of it as a reboot of the franchise with the first one being a loose remake of Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. "Rise" is to the 60s/70s series as "Batman Begins" is to the 80s/90s Batman movies. They share similar characters and comparable titles, but they are not part of the same ongoing story.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Big Jim and Cartmanez

    by Shankapotomus

    Thanks for the insights. I gues I've forgotten some of the other Apes movies. Also, I like the idea of a reboot, not prequel - that clears up a lot in terms of making it all work. Im not really complaining. I just like movies to remain true to the rules they set up within their Sci-fi universe. I'm always willing to suspend disbelief if they do that. Your explainations will help. Thx! For the record, I enjoy ROTPOTA. I think it has a lot of emotional depth from Andy Serkis and John Lithgow. The CGI is pretty tight. And I like the "origin" plot. I think the acting from those besides Serkis and Lithgow was pretty one-dimensional, but not so much as to ruin the movie. I'm looking forward to what they can do with a few more years of technology and hopefully a really engaging script. I think this could be a very dark movie.

  • Oct. 2, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Fake

    by Baryonyx

    Look at that goddamn shot from ROTPOTA: fake-looking or what?

  • I've always thought of it as obviously a remake of the original classic, and a bit of Beneath the Planet of the Apes, but now that you've pointed out the other elements and the 2001 references, I think you're right. Also, Tim Burton's Apes remake was actually released during the summer of 2001. Kinda sucks that instead of hearing about mysterious monoliths being found on the Moon, and ambitious space missions being launched to Jupiter and beyond, we get a Marky Mark Tim Burton Planet of the Apes remake.

  • in the book 'POTA Revisted' it talks about the Cameron/Arnie version of POTA that was planned post Titanic (and following on from Oliver Stones attempts at making the prehistory/dawn of man set take on POTA in the early/mid 90s) apparently Camerons idea (although it isnt made clear in the book if it was true or not) was to pick up after 'Battle for the POTA' which set the stage for astronaut Taylor to return to an altered planet of the apes where presumably he wasnt captured by mutant humans and ended up destroying earth (so wed be in an alternate timeline..very Star Trek 2009)...then the story flashfowards 30 years when 5 new astronauts arrive in the future (Arnie and buddies) and learn that an elderly Taylor has sired a colony of intellegent humans (like he suggested to Nova at the start of 'Beneath')that fight for equallity with the apes...i guess that wouldve cleared the way for a much anticipated Heston apperance as a Kurtzlike Taylor (hed worked with Cameron on True Lies) which wouldve been great. it was abit of a letdown to cast him as an Ape in the Burton remake not a bad idea..reminded me a little of the proposed 'Planet of the Men' sequel that was mooted instead of 'Beneath' where i think Taylor wouldve led a revolt against the apes

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    There is something freakish about...

    by Darkness

    watching humans interacting with each other in ape costumes. Roddy Mcdowell and Kim Hunter engineered this effortlessly - still holds up well today. They walked as humans, fused in part, with simian mimickery: A nightmare realised for sure. The motion-capture effect didn't do much for me, but i found the film enjoyable. You will never top, or improve on Frank Schaffner's: it was a milestone movie in the sci-fi genre, and films in general. The pacing, and atmospheric solitude of the desert is enough to create the effect of the unexpected - sadly lacking in Burton's attempts, and Wyatt's. Let's hope Matt Reeves will conjure up something to that effect...Not holding me breath.

  • the lost astronauts landing on an ape dominated earth in the future (although thered be no need to have them think they wernt on earth for the duration of the film - maybe just the opening 10 mins or so until they see the ruined Statue of Liberty). Could work in some of 'Beneath' too (underground bomb worshipping mutants) and maybe even abit of 'Escape' (getting off the planet twist at the end?) It’ll be like Nolan Batman, a separate series, or more accurately Superman - you got the original movies, then the failed reboot, then another go at it that gets it right..(hopefully Man of Steel will be as good a reboot as Rise of the Apes) Itd work in reverse to the original ape series starting at the end (Conquest/Battle) and finishing on the beginning (original 68 movie) could title the 3rd one 'The Planet of the Apes' as it aint been used yet (like 'The Final Destination' or simply using 'Star Trek' as that hadnt been used on its own either) and to denote that this the main deal - a remake of the original, and its the final one - where everything was heading

  • Oct. 3, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Let Me In was Poop

    by Chadley BeBay

    And the Apes movie took me 3 attempts before I got through it... It should have been called "Journey of Some Apes to a Sanctuary" becomes I saw no planet of the apes rising in this film.

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