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Ryan Phillipe, Colin Hanks and Hayden Christensen.... all in STAR WARS EPISODE TWO
Hey folks, Harry here with still more on STAR WARS EPISODE ONE. I've gotten confirmations out the wazoo on Ryan Phillipe as Bail Organa now, and on Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker. THese are absolutes right now. However I've also been getting from some of these same people a report that Colin Hanks is on board as Kister, and this was apparently who he was really up for all along. Turns out that Lucas was using the Anakin casting call as the big ol recruitment call for all his young men of EPISODE TWO.
Alright, gotta go...
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Actually Ryan does.
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May 05, 2000 2:56:40 AM CDT
"And in time of our greatest despair there shall come a saviour
by darthpsychotic
I have a bad feeling about this. By the way, I'm first cocksuckers
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Actually Ryan does.
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Either Lucas hasnt seen Cruel Intentions or 54, or Phillipe has suddenly been endowed with both screen presence and acting ability. Phillipe has about as much screen presence as Jake Lloyd had. Major mistake. No, no....4-star General Mistake! With Reese Witherspoon as his wife and now this, I think its safe to say Phillipe is the luckiest SOB on the planet.
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Must... cast... hot young actors... must add Eminem song to... film... must... add entire casts of WB prime time lineups...
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most likely none of this is true and known leaks have been given false information to throw us off the track. I won't believe it till I hear the official announcement.
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Ok--so Leia's father (Annie) and stepfather (Bail) have been cast and I have no problemos, but isn't Kitster that little Indian/dark skinned kid whom we all hope becomes Boba Fett? I've seen Colin Hanks in Roswell and the teen flick he was in and he comes off as a wimpster. They should've cast someone that remotely resembles Kitser like the young Middle Eastern guy in Three Kings or an unknown actor. Maybe Lucas relied on his brace face daughter for casting approval and in her WB mindset, she chose Collin (because N'Sync has already been cast for the N'Sync movie). I know Kitser hasn't been confirmed as Boba Fett but I hope it's true. Anything, even Collin Hanks, is better than a Boba Fett with a menstruation cycle.
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May 05, 2000 3:24:18 AM CDT
Did Lucas turn casting over to his planet-eating daughters?
by darth taun taun
I mean, you're George Lucas' daughter. You're simply huge. No boy would ever go out with you. What does daddy do? He allows you to flip through your favorite magazines of ambiguously gay waifish prissy boys, select a few and bring them in for casting. They come in, your daddy tells them to "love you long time," and if they're willing to give you some oral pleasure, they're in daddy's movie. George Lucas has become a pimp for his massively chunky, planet-eating daughters.
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May 05, 2000 3:32:43 AM CDT
this does not bode well for Episode Two. I predict mass suicides
by cereal killer
It looks like Lucas is casting a slew of Dawson's Creek-types instead of going for real actors and that's unfortunate. If Lucas has seen any of Ryan Phillippe's work and still wants his sorry ass for "Star Wars" then it just confirms what I've thought since "Phantom Menace" puked on the silver screen; Lucas has lost all touch with reality and is no longer qualified to handle the franchise. For his own good the prequels should be wrestled away from him. Some of his more talented friends should petition the courts and have Lucas declared incompetent before he hurts himself. I predict that a lot of the "Phantom Menace" apologists on this site will kill themselves if Episode 2 sucks as bad as TPM did. What will you losers do when you can't convince yourselves that TPM's suckage was just a fluke? As for the guy on the other talkback who called me a closet case and a dickwad or something like that, I'll remind you that in all my rants against TPM I've never used any sexual metaphors or made any claims that Lucas "raped my childhood" or any such thing. I had no unreachable expectations about TPM going in. I held it to the same standard that I would've held any other movie to; that it be entertaining and have a decent script. Since it was a prequel to an established franchise it did have a responsibility to at least try to be as good as the other films. It didn't meet those requirements by a long shot. Anyone who "claims" to have enjoyed TPM can't call themselves a Star Wars fan. I put claims in quotations because I have a hard time believing that anyone who has ever seen a movie before could really have liked TPM as much as the other Star Wars films. I now have a new yardstick to measure a persons film intelligence by; anyone who defends "Phantom Menace" is too stupid to call themselves a movie fan.
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One of the most interesting things about the Star Wars films is that at the heart of the movies is an age-old conflict about losing our humanity to the Machine State. In Star Wars, you have the faceless Empire, were everyone is the same. No individuality, everyone is very robotic. The Empire is fighting with the rebellion, which has an emphasis on the uniqueness of each life. Now in EP2 Dark Saber, this story takes place long before these central themes were so prevalent. That is to say that the fight between the individual and the monolithic faceless state is not so apparent in the prequels. There must be in either EP2 or EP3 some transitionatory character that shows a merging of these two ends of the spectrum of human potential. Is Lucas really trying to find such a character in a mere young actor boy? This may not be wise. For me, the most compelling incarnation of such a blending of machine with the beauty of individuality that I have seen in the last 10 years has been THE IRON GIANT. It is within the context of THE IRON GAINT
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I don't have much of a clue about any of these actors or what bail/kitster's roles are all about - someone wanna fill me in?
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Ok, I'm kidding, but I should for the loss of my testicles as they just FELL OFF AND ROLLED ON THE FLOOR CAUSE THEIR AINT NO WAY THAT CAN HAPPEN..AND THERE AINT NO WAY THIS HAPPENED!
Do you know the REAL Reason Phillipe/Hayden are Bail/Anakin?
Hmmm, think there is a COINCEDENCE THEY look alike? NO...
wait til you see the REAL purpose of Bail in Ep2 and how it interferes with Anakin...there is NO coincedence they look alike and THAT is what bugs me...
Do you really know why ADRIAN DUNBAR was cancelled? Lucas KNEW he looked too young. THERE WILL BE A MAJOR PLOT POINT that MUST have THEM BOTH near the same age...
There is a LOT that will surprise us, and the fact that one MIGHT HAVE BEEN CAST to For LOOKING LIKE THE OTHER was not only needed, it was the focus...
It sadens me as a fan we could not see a menacing vince vaughn type of actor play anakin...well, at least more 14 year old girls will see this...
Hayden, seems like a star in the making, but he better not F this up. I am SO SICK OF HORRIBLE SCI FI FILMS...NONE MOVE ME, NONE INTRODUCE NEW WORLDS, NONE COMPELL ME, AND NONE SEND GOOSBUMPS LIKE STAR WARS USED TO.
"You are mistaken about a great many things..." That line ALONE is more powerful than ANYTHING in episode 1.
The meeting of Anakin/Queen was FLAT. NO hint of agression on Anakin. AND KISTER, WHO WILL BE FETT...too long to get into, was indian looking, now he's a tall doofy white kid?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
OH, crap o mighty...it is time kincaid kick star wars in the ass and reinvent sci fi. Who's with me?!
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It's so sad to read that most of the previous TB's are very negative... what's wrong here ? Are you really THAT frustrated in your life that you need to let go your agressivity on Star Wars or are you really film genius ?? (then go work for Hollywood). As much as I have doubts about Mr Lucas talents today (more businessman than artist, that's for sure), I will wait to see Ep. 2 before making any critics.. If Uncle Georges wants to get Jean-Claude Van Damme as Boba Fett, Steven Seagal as Anakin and Whitney Spears as Mrs Jar-Jar Binks, give the man a break... no one here is casting director, so go back to your frustrated life and stop being so negative all the time.
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Hey, obviously there is a TON of sarcasm. Gotta have fun.
Look, my point, assuming my post which you came after, influenced your point, is that IF lucas overlooked other good actors, just to get two young guys who look alike...(WHY ELSE WOULD HE CUT ADRIAN DUNBARS ORGANA FROM THE FILM?!?!?)
I do NOT care who plays who AS MUCH as a great story...but when you replace the best natural people with the roles, for other reasons, it loses its credibility to me. It goes from a strong story to a shtick.
Don't take what we say too seriously, I love my life, but I want to have fun and vent, and raise a few points...nuttin wrong with that.
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Get bent dipshit! So anyone who liked Menace is to stupid to call themselves movie fans. YOUR opinion butthead! I was entertained. A little disapointed,but entertained. I am looking forward to EPII with reservations but still looking forward to it so keep your stupid opinions to yourself jerkie!
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He was tanned thats all....god thats like say ing George Hamilton should play Sitting Bull. I dont really know any of these guys work that well, Phillipe has specialised in spoilt brats....does this mean Bail's a prat...? Heck who the hell cares if I see him in Sydney I'll buy the guy a drink to congratulate him on his taste in wives anyway. These guys are actors but if George doesn't write a decent script it doesn't matter if they are good or bad actors because they wont have anything decent to say anyway. Crossing my fingers that these films dont suck the big one.
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i highly doubt they will cast philippe because he's a stupid teenybopper guy. and if he is casted, im sure lucas will require that philippe takes a shitload of crack in order to be evil in the role
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For the record, I believe the Colin Hanks as Kitster rumor is crap. But if it's true...good thinking George. Took a lot of heat for being racially insensitive in TPM. So how do you remedy that in ep II? Hire a white kid to play a character who was clearly portrayed by an Indian actor (Druv Chanchani) in the last film. Yeah, that'll work. Advocates for the Indian community are gonna have a field day with this one. Here's an idea: why not just replace Sam Jackson and have Mace Windu portrayed by Adam Sandler in blackface? And if that other rumor about hiring the Asian martial artist to play what essentially amounts to a "ninja" is true, then please take this .44 magnum, kindly remove your sneaker, and prepare to shoot yourself squarely in the foot.
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Cereal Killer, if you were too stupid to get the plot of TPM, it's you who should be pitied. I think everyone should be thankful that Lucas is casting an unknown for Anakin. Episode II is gonna rock so much more than Matrix 2
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Okay kids, first off, I am considering this "scoop" as fake as Guido's "review" of X-Men until I hear it straight from Lucasfilm. Now, do I REALLY need to remind you that this is EPISODE 2? Didja get that? EPISODE!!! Not PART! It's not a sequel, but the next chapter in a flowing narrative. Did ANY of you blasting this next chapter EVER stop to think that the reason that so many things were left untouched in TPM was because they are pieces of the next two stories? Well, did you? No, you obviously didn't. If every question and aspect of the characters was resolved in one movie then there certainly wouldn't be the need for 5 MORE CHAPTERS!!! And as far as the very FEW of you that actually didn't like TPM and claim that "no one else did either," then why is it the 3rd highest grossing movie of all time? don't you dolts realize how fast bad word of mouth gets around and how easily and quickly it will kill a movie, EVEN A STAR WARS MOVIE?!?! Well, I hate to tell ya, but obviously QUITE A FEW people liked it! As far as who should be who, sit back, let the PROFESSIONALS do the casting (remember, you have NOTHING to do with the making of these movies) and let the actors do their jobs. Too many of you guys out there talk about this stuff like you're experts with years of experience in the buisness that's called show, yet not a damn one of you whiners are working in it. Kinda interesting, isn't it? You know, how someone who's not even in the buisiness can know EVERYTHING about it *note sarcasm*. If you don't like Star Wars, then don't post on the Star Wars news bits, it's that simple. And what is this crap about anyone who liked TPM isn't a true Star Wars fan? To anyone that thinks that: You make the rest of us sick and sad that we have to be lumped in the same group as you. You don't know the first damn thing about how to make a good film that rakes in the cash like this one, otherwise you'd be doing it yourselves. This stupid bullshit about "George Lucas is no longer fit to run the franchise," hate to let ya in on this little piece of info dingleberry (your name wasn't important enough to remember) and all prequel naysayers, IT'S HIS FRANCHISE!!! HE OWNS IT!!! Obviously he did something right because he made more money off TPM in it's tenth week of release ALONE than you'll ever see in your little lives. Hey, maybe I hit on something there, "dats why yousa no liken him meesa tinks."
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I hate to wake the world up, but ALL the SW movies are pretty horrid. We forgive them b/c memory is kind. Watch them again with real scrutiny. Especially the 'Special Editions'. Major ho-hum crud.
Of course, it's really hard to make a really good sci-fi movie. So stuff like the Star Wars saga has to do.
LOWER YOUR STANDARDS.
As an aside, the Voltron cartoon, Star Blazers, Battlestar Galactica and Voyagers (not this crap Star Trek thing....that old time travel show) all suck too, even though your memory wants you to believe they are good.
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Okay, kids. Solomon, did you even read my post RIGHT ON TOP?! Alright people, I guess it must be said again: IF YOU DON'T LIKE STAR WARS, THEN DON'T POST ON STAR WARS STORIES!!! You speak out your dislike loud and clear by just NOT POSTING.
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Does anyone remember his work in I Still Know What You Did Last Summer? 54? Cruel Intentions? If it is remembered, it is only as a sources of gut-laughing ineptitude in the field of acting. The boy is talentless! They all sense it...
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May 05, 2000 6:52:17 AM CDT
Everyone says Philipe can't act but it doesn't matter, did you s
by gilmour
The characters were so one-dimensional you don't need any talent, obi-wan just nodded and said "yes master" the entire film. I really don't give a shit about this film and i'm sick of hearing the latest bullshit about who will play anakin.
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Hmm
does anybody know if Fincher is in anyway involved with Star Wars 2 or 3!
All i know is that he was defenitly going to be the second unit director of SW EP1 but dropped because of Fight CLub (THANK GOD). I also heard a rumor that he will direct Star Wars EP3 (a rumor, i will never beliebe).
But could it be that he is second unit director of Ep 2? I mean he has shot a music video after Fight Club, but is not involved in something that begin production in 2000 all his projects are dated 2001. I also know that Lucas gave Fincher his first job at ILM and that Fincher was Lucas neighbore way back. Star Wars is also Finchers favorite movie.
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Ok... this is just getting monotonous and just no fun to read. "Ryan Phillippe is gay." "Reese Witherspoon's a crack whore" "Whine whine prissy prissy nancy boys whine whine whine!"
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I really think that NONE OF YOU have any room to kvitch on personal lives of any of these people. If you don't think they have talent, cite your sources and be done with it. If you think that Bail Organa should have been played by someone with more surface machismo (Dolph Lundgren, anyone?) Tell us why. For God's sake MAKE IT INTERESTING! But quit whining!
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Obviously Ryan Phillippe has SOMETHING going for him, or else he wouldn't be making movies at all. He's in the thing (presumably), and you arent.
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Collin Hanks as Kitser... What was that particular whine... oh, yes "He's not Indian." Well, to that I say A) I don't care how many times a person has seen TPM, at this point, I can ask 1000 people who Kitser was, and I *might* get two correct responses. B) Ever heard of Pancake Make-up? c) The character is NOT Indian... He's from TATOOINE! Who's to tell what the skin tones of the planet he's from are going to do? It's been theorized that Tusken Raiders mature into Jawas. It's not only a freakin' movie, it's a freakin' SCIENCE FICTION movie! It's not that important!
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May 05, 2000 8:32:19 AM CDT
Ok..Anakin gets killed, and his evil twin becomes Darth Vader...
by nuxx4
Thats why Yoda almost shit in his muppet undies when he saw the Medichlo..medi..whatever count in Anakins blood. It was UNSTABLE..So, if yousa clone a guy with unstability, his clone might turn into something...unstable, i.e. either a fucking angel (which DV isnt) or the DAAARRRRK SIIIIDE...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I definitly need to get out more..
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Probably because I just turned 28, not 16. On one hand I get excited that Gabriel Burn and Christopher walken might be in it, then this. I don't mind unknowns but do they ALL have to be teen beat kids? Ah, I really do have to stop caring about this shit. It's just too painful. Oh, and real Star Wars fans do NOT like the Ep1. At least this generations. I was there bro. And it was much cooler than this drek.
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but has anyone seen Episodes 4-6 lately? Mark Hamil, Carrie Fisher and yes, even Harrison Ford were dreadful, and yet the film rocked.
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A friend of mine, an intellectual short story author type, once said that he could get into to SW because of how much coincidence was involved with the Father-Brother-Sister thing and how this family changed the Galaxy. I argued that it wasn't so much coincidence as it was the Force (now a bunch of microcrobes as explained by Qui-Gon-Fuck in what is possibly the most boring biology lesson ever recorded). The reason why these people where in the places they were and pulled off the stuff they did at the time was because of that famous energy field that "surrounds us, penetrates us and binds the galaxy together". But this shit about Boba Fett being that kid is just going to far to connect pieces of the story that shouldn't really meet. The allure of Fett is that he IS a mystery actually that is the largest problem w. episode one - the mystery is gone. I don't doubt that Lucas has something like the Kito/Fett connection in mind because of C3PO as Vader project trash. You know what it is? Simple minded color-by-numbers character development that relies way too much on the other trilogy. He should have gone into this movie with the same originality and approach to character development as he did w. the first one. A team of people, all pretty much different, all w. different attitudes, hopes dreams etc. Instead we got an "amphibian frog fuck" (as another friend would say) and a bunch of staid, reserved, stoic motherfuckers mumbling pure exposition. Where were the killer lines "Process them!"???? Is that it? Where Qui-Gon's defiance and what the hell was Obi-Won's character about? The Queen? Forget it - braindead, sleep walking. Panaka? God he looked bored. The kid? Where are the signs of aggression? Anger? He's a little angel! And Jar-Jar? Jar-Jar. Jesus. The most slap-stick, goofball, Loony Tune character (sylvester maybe?) looks like Julius Ceasar next to that red fuck (in terms of depth of character). How many times can you demonstrate that he is a pussy and a goof, George, and not have it be old?
Look, I don't know anyone who liked this movie. All the support I can find for it seems to be online, behind anonymous screen names and raves.
Jesus, see how SW can make you ramble?
Well, fuck it George. I will see you shitty movie once but will never own a copy on any format. I will never recommend it and I will think of you always, not only as the colonizers of our dreams but as the destroyer.
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Seriously,i am not looking foward to this movie anymore.
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Could it be any worse if you actively worked at it? Although unfortunately in a post-TPM world there's not telling where the low end of Star Wars dignity ends and the farce begins. I don't care what universe of denial you're in, that's gotta hurt.
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This christensen kid is a canadian. I swore a long time ago that I would not go see episode II if Lucas casted a Canadian. if this kid is really gonna be Anakin then please someone come to DC and kill me. Fucking canadians!
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Wow. I never would have thought in a milliion years that no matter what decision George Lucas made all you little twelve year olds with undeserved access to the internet would come busting out of the woodwork to complain about it because thanks to MTV and steaming piles of crap like The Matrix, you know how to make a better movie than Lucas ever could. Didn't see that one coming.
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Eternal, I love your fuckin' eternal rants. You're the reason Talk Back exists. No, really, I'm not being sarcastic. Your stuff is usually very entertaining because it always has some truth to it. Keep on postin' bro!
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The Big Green One here. Been busy with all sorts of Green related things and couldn't be bothered to read all the homophobic slagging off the rest of you posted, but I get the general idea. Personally I don't know Ryan Philippe from Private Ryan, so I can't comment on his acting 'ability' or lack thereof. What I do wonder is how ol' Georgy Boy can justify casting a man who, from the photos I have seen,appears to be about eighteen in the role as a senator and potential nominee for the Chancellor of the known universe? (as referred to in TPM by Palpatine/Darth Sidious (oops, spoiler there for the less observant)). I mean please, who the hell is going to elect a guy of an age where he is more worried about getting his leg over (Brit expression so apologies)and how to get into the next cool party than the state of galactic politics?? (Shit, did I jsut describe Clinton?) Or is Alderaan entirely populated by teenagers a la Logans Run? For that matter, how the hell did Naboo elect a fourteen year old queen?? And who in their right minds would call a planet Naboo? Questions, questions. . . Ah well, no time to dwell on such things. I have some very serious Green things to be getting on with. Later.
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I'm certainly no fan of his, but I thought he showed in Cruel Intentions that he could act a little bit. And the reason he's in movies is because he's a pretty boy. If you're a pretty boy, you'll get into a movie one way or another. And why the hostility towards Colin Hanks? Do any of you fuckers even WATCH Roswell? He's a decent actor. Not great, but solid, and certainly not his father. Must you bitch at every thing? Christ, at least Phillippe's a better actor than Mark Hamill. Like the original trilogy had good acting from anyone but Alec Guiness. Acting doesn't matter in a SW film. If there's a good performance, it's certainly a nice bonus, but it's not required. Even if Phillippe sucks ass in Ep 2 it won't make much differenc as to the film's quality, good(likely) or bad(not likely).I can't believe I just defended that Malkovich wanna-be:)
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WILL you folks lighten up its only a sci fi movie/Action movie. Most watch it for fun, not to see if it will win awards for acting. so shut up and give Lucas a chance, you cry babies! Jeezzzz.
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...Rebel Fanboys, striking from hidden basements have been attacking the institution known as Star Wars. Although created by George Lucas, the Fanboys have come to believe that they know more about the film series than its master. Relying on internet postings and misguided ideas, they attempt to disuade Lucas faithful from their beliefs. But Lucas has a secret outline the Fanboys have not yet discovered, and using this blueprint, he continues to constuct his beloved films. As he casts for Episode II, the fanboys speculate on how every decision he makes will ruin the film...
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Hey let's relax about Ryan Phillipe for a second. Doesn't anybody remember the rampant rumors about Keanu Reeves being involved in TPM? We all heaved a collective sigh of relief when we found it wasn't true, but then he had the audacity to actually be fairly decent.
I think the jury is way out on Phillipe, but the Hanks rumor sounds like it came from the Outer Rim. I am of the faction of fandom that will forgive Lucas his episide 1 tresspasses, but he does seem to have a fetish for people with the acting ability of toe cheese.
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I don't think Lucas could please some of you if he gave you an oscar worthy movie.
*********************************Why is it that some of you actually think you know more about Star Wars than Lucas himself?
*********************************That's absurd! Lucas is the wellspring. No Lucas, no Star Wars. Either you're going to get his vision directly, or fed through somebody else second hand. That's it.
*********************************As for casting... We'll see. The Hayden guy looks the part, and Phillipe is a decent actor. He just managed to get stuck in the teen movies black-hole where no one gets real good material at all. No one questioned Ewan MacGregor's or Liam Neeson's credentials, since they have experience in more dramatic work.
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ok, kids, allow me to utilize the clue-by-four to smack some sense into you.
In hollywood, if you want to get ahead, it's about how much dick you can suck without gagging. You go down on established stars by casting their kids, and they help you out by financing your next flick. You go down on your buddies, so they'll support you. and when you kneel down to take the next one, you pay attention to your demographic. It's obvious that Lucas is shooting for a young audience... the same audience that just eats up the WB and teenybopper flicks with a spoon. Personally, I feel he should be shooting for us twentysomethings that grew up with the first episode, but that's apparently not where the money is... it's with that 15-21 demographic. So, before you go off on some rant, however justified, about wanting to hear Mace Windu say "muthafucka" just once in EII, or wanting to make frog legs out of Jar Jar, just remember how the Hollywood system works. George knows. He's a player. And the only way we can get films we like is by only putting our money towards ones that don't suck. -
From a woman's perspective, at least if the movie sucks there will be LOTS of eye candy. I hope the kid can act or at least kick some ass. I'm hoping for a minimum of 3 emotions, 5 different facial expressions. It's really not too much to ask is it?
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Greetings, children. If I were Lucas, first and foremost I would be thinking of a way to pay back my awesome fans for their wonderful, open-hearted, open-minded, reception of every bit of SW info on every site on the web. I would love them so much after how loyal they were this last summer, and how they didn't sell out their childhood dreams because the media said to. The fans kick ass. That is obvious. They know what the program is, and can appreciate things like three dimensional characters, great acting, directing, writing, symbolism, allusions, and plots. How could I, as George Lucas, ever pay them back for their treatment of myself and my latest movie. Well, first I would make a killer trailer. It would make the first Ep I trailer look like crap. It would depict entire armies of Jedi and Sith fighting to the death on the blood-soaked battlefields of the Clone Wars. Thousands of lightsabers would be lit, and it would be as violent as Braveheart. It would also start off with Jar Jar being decapitated by a Darth Maul clone. It would hint that there was going to be a hour long lightsaber duel/blaster fight between the reincarnated Maul and Boba Fett. There would be hints of a slo mo lesbian shower scene involving Amidala and one of her handmaidens, who would be played by Denise Richards. Just a brief look at Denise slowly licking soap off Natalie's nubile form. It would show Ewoks getting killed by the hundreds during the Maul/Fett fight, and fur would be flying everywhere. The fights would be so intense that they would make Obi-Wan look like he was fighting Maul in slo motion in TPM. I would have Shmi reveal that she had just dreamed the virgin birth, and I would have Qui-Gon returning in the trailer to apologize about the midichlorians and admit that he was full of shit. I would invite the entire talkback at AICN over to my house to advise me on the script. Best yet, I would invent a new technology that allows you to personally project the Anakin of your choice up on the screen when you see it. In short, the trailer would be a fan boy's wet dream. The finishing touch would be an "R" rating. Fanboys would be lining up for years ahead of time. They would be drooling all over each other in their little fan tents. They would be playing with their Fett dolls and be in a very happy place. Then, the big moment. Episode Two: Opening Night. The geeks would be herded into a giant theater with THX sound so loud whenever its played it blows out the glass in the concession stands. They would be so cute, chasing each other up the aisles with their glow in the dark lightsabers and their "Die Jar Jar Binks"t-shirts. Then, the movie would start. "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away". A moment of silence. Then cheers would erupt as John Williams poured into the show, bursting several ear drums right on the spot. They would be deaf, but happy. The Episode Two: The Fanboys Get What They Deserve opening crawl would start. Suddenly, the screen seems to tear open, and Jar Jar Binks pops out, arms open and extended toward the audience. "MESA BACK!!!!!" He would shout. The main title would go to a screeching halt, and suddenly the Looney Tunes theme would start blasting from the speakers. All of you would watch in horror as Jar Jar starts chasing Ewoks around on the screen as the movie starts. Then he would start humping them. You would see this in excruciating detail. Then they would form together to produce yoru worst nightmare: Jarwacks. A new breed of SW creature, they would be cute and fuzzy like Ewoks, but have long ears and be really clumsy like Jar Jar. The film would last five hours, and over the course of that five hours, the jarwacks would just stumble around and say cute things and be annoying beyond anything you can imagine. They would win the battle against the battledroids they would fight by bending over and releasing a large fart which knocked them all over with its force power. They would eat alot, and naturally belch alot. Meanwhile, outside the theater doors, I would commission burly Lucasfilm employees to not let anyone leave under any circumstances until the movie was over, no matter the protests, no matter the cries of sheer agony on the other side. I would also make it a point to remove all sharp objects from the theater so that the fanboys would have to endure the whole thing. Ep II's real title would thus be "Revenge of the Jarwacks." I mean, it would be the least I could do for my fans.
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I have no feelings about Hayden. From what I've seen of him he gives off the aura of being more mature than his age, which could work for Anakin. As for Ryan, I have yet to be impressed by his work, but I think the reason he was cast was to set up a love triangle between Bail, Anakin and Amidala. If the Emperor sow's seeds of jealousy in Anakin about Amidala and Bail's relationship, having a pretty boy like Ryan in the role would make that believable. Don't forget, Bail ended up raising Leia. It probably wasn't because he was a really nice guy. And I doubt Colin's going to play Kitster, although he's probably in the movie for another role. Here's hoping Walken plays Boba Fett!
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Fuck yeeeeuh Chris Walkin cancels out all of the queers, Walkin is one bad ass dude...wonder if the director's cut will have a hardcore nude scene with N.P.
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Some of you are truly sad, bitter people...
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ICE CUBE IS BOBA FETT
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With all the Episode 2 Casting talk that's going around, I thought I'd share a rumor I read weeks about regarding who's going to play Anakin in Episode 3. From what I read, it's going to be none other than TJ Hooker himself...William Shatner!
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What of the reports of Jet Li as Boba Fett. I've heard this is true. Anybody know of anything about it?
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Can't you people tell when Harry's fucking with you? Or when he doesn't know himself? He doesn't know. I seriously don't believe he does anyway. Seriously, this Hayden kid may be the chosen one. If so, cool, he looks the part. Also hope he can act, but as someone said: "It's Star Wars!" and there's never been a lot of depth in the acting. But, don't believe anything until you hear from the source, and Harry, while he is right most of the time, has been wrong before, and is definitely not the source. But, have we heard anything about Walken's casting since Harry "confirmed" it? No. Variety did say something about Hayden, so that probably is true, but come on: Hanks as Kitster?? Yeah right. Makeup does do wonders, but still... come on. Phillipe as Organa? Even more fucked up than Hanks. He's probably about the right age, (and oh yeah, Bail Antilles, not Bail Organa was named as a nomination to Chancellor. Not the same person, there) but I would hope that Lucas would find someone else out there. So, basically, Harry knows that Star Wars gets a rise out of everyone, so he's posting disinformation on this site. And who knows, I could be wrong too, it's happened before, but I'm not holding my breath over this casting info. We'll find out in due time. As Obi-Wan said, "Patience!"
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a.) Every time in my lifetime that someone has told me they hate gay guys, later on, they come out of the closet. (This is happened to me three times, people -- I'm taking that as a sign.) b.) Someone has got to explain to me how if you're a good-looking man, you're gay, but if you're a good-looking woman, you're straight. Makes me want to go lesbian ... I'd have better choices. So let me get this straight - if you're a guy, and you actually give enough of a damn about your body to shower at least once a day, shave occasionally, and say, "No, Mr. Twinkie, I will not devour you," you're gay. Riiiiiiight ... c.) What the hell does an actor's sexual orientation have to do with the role they're playing? They're ACTING ... even if these guys were gay, they should be able to fake it if they're any good. (And don't give me any of this bullshit that gay actors can't play straight ... if a straight actor can play gay, a gay one can play straight.) And d.) I love it when all you morons talk incessantly about the WB as if it were the bowels of Hell itself. When you're a young actor in Hollywood, and your only option for work is in lame-ass Freddie Prinze, Jr. romantic comedies (Please, GOD, Freddie, act in a real movie someday, I'm begging you, you're making yourself out to be an idiot ... of course, the vacant Keanuesque expression helps) and WB dramas, for Christ's sake, take the WB drama. Let's see what they've got ... Roswell, Buffy, Angel ... Yeah, real crap, huh? You know, compared to stuff like Walker, Texas Ranger and Nash Bridges ...
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You guys fall for this shit? I'll tell you one thing, this 4FilmMakers.Com thing is fishy at best. Let's see, they just opened for business last week to no great welcome I might add. Oddly enough they come up with all these casting confirmations that everybody buys without question. Come on. What greater way to get advertising than to reveal the very thing every fanboy wants to know. They're totally stringing us along, they've confirmed that Phillipe, Christensen, and Hanks are all in Ep2! Why not cover all their bases, 1 out of 3 aint bad. I can't wait to boycott that site. This is all bullshit, if you want to know the real deal, check the official site. This is all a marketing scheme handed down by God, and sexually transmitted by HArry.
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Listen, what it's going to come down is the fact that it is a star wars film and we are all going to go see it anyway, and remember... SLJackson and Ewan Macgregor are probably going to break badass on some people so in the end, it's all gonna be good, not great, but good. The idea of SW films being anything other than popcorn movies is absurd, Lucas wanted to make movies that reminded him of the serial he saw as a kid, and he's done that and he's doing it again. Now, I happen to think the only SW film that actually makes it above popcorn movie status is TESB, there is a reason for that: Irvin Kirshner (who had a cameo in the last temptation of christ and has directed a multitude of REALLY GOOD FUCKING FILMS) Leigh Brackett (need I say more) and Lawrence Kasdan (who lost all his talent after Raider of the lost ark), that's some talent cred right there. EPII is not going to have that type of talent cred except through the actors. Chris Walken (i think its a rumor) Ewan Macgregor, N. Portman, Samuel Jackson, everything else is secondary and it doesn't matter cuz the script's gotta be good, and no matter how good the script is, its gotta be translated to film correctly, so there are ifs and buts a maybes all around and it doesn't change a goddam thing you calling these actors faggots and homosexuals cuz you and I and everyone else is gonna line up and see it come 2002, so stop bitching read a book: I recommend House of Leaves by Mark Danielewski, or go buy a video camera and make your own movie or go to work, watch the sunset, make love, masturbate, drink some really old irish whisky, mow the lawn, get out of the house, go for a walk, meet people do something other than bitch about things you have no control over... of course, your kvetching could be justified if you did the same thing to UN injustices and our country's bullying of other countries... but you probably don't do that.
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I agree with you. But don't get so heated up, and for God's sake don't tattle to Harry. That just undoes everything you wrote, you know? Who cares, man? They're only words. To paraphrase George Carlin: It's not the word. It's the racist asshole who uses it you should worry about. Peace.
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Thanks but no thanks. I have a strange feeling that if you came over to see me, your hand would be jealous.
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The kid who played Kistser is named....ready for this now.....Dhruv Chaichani...sounds pretty fucking indian to me....and that is indian as in someone actually from India, not a native american, ass fuck....
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Charm? Is that what that smell is supposed to be?
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May 05, 2000 12:40:31 PM CDT
All you who think that The movie is ruined..Whoooooooo Cares?!
by jamesnash777
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Who cares if the talkbacks are out of order? So I'm not able to enjoy the story arc of the various homophobic attacks, Jerky McJerks already-tired variations on bodily waste dumping, or Ryan Phillipe bashing...oh well. I'm not a Phillipephile, but anyone critiquing the acting in Cruel Intentions should be aware that they were updating/parodying Dangerous Liasons. The parlor-room talk, the stilted dialogue was on purpose. Phillipe did a great job riffing on John Malkovich's performance of Valmont. I can think of worse people to play roles in Star Wars. I fail to understand bringing back Kitser, one of the sore thumbs of episode I. Remember his almost-high five with Greedo Jr. after the pod race? The most awkward and embarrassing moment in the Star Wars canon. Does Lucas know how to say "Take Two"? ** As for the dude that claims he's not a homophobe because he's not "afraid of gays", that's a tired line. Phobia is fear of the unknown. Frat boy testosterone cases like yourself fail to acknowledge the male and female side of every person, and will not recognize that aspect of your own personality. You are "afraid" of that acknowledgement, so you suppress it, which builds up the animosity you have for anything homosexual. The downside is that you're probably a latent homosexual, and like to go to the gym, or play football where you can tackle other men. If only you could do your old fraternity initiation activities like sticking pickles up your brother's ass. You're an intolerant fuck, any of you who are immature enough to spew hatred like that. Go buy a "God Hates Fags" t-shirt and drink some Jim Jones Hawaiian Punch. Fuck you.
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Just making conversation here. God doesn't teach anyone to hate. Quite the contrary. Organized religion (a product of humankind) is where you should target your anger. It's fine not to ascribe to one particular religion, I mean, the Catholic Church has been responsible for some of the most criminal behavior in history. But you might want to think about opening yourself up a bit more to spirituality. There IS a God, I believe. He's just been hidden by the lies and hatred that many people promulgate in His name. Peace.
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Look, I'm sorry if that's not your opinion. It came off sounding that way to me, and I apologize. As for the Christianity thing, I was raised Christian, and while most of the Christians I knew were good people, there were a group of people I knew while in college who used the Bible in ways that I had never seen before which truly disgusted me, and while I know that there are good lessons that could come out of it, those people made me realize something about my beliefs, and that was that I felt I couldn't be associated with something that seemed so wrong to me. A lot of what they said sounded exactly like what you said - not outright, but skirting the issue, saying "other people" when they later made it perfectly clear that it was them they meant. Whatever.
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Jar Jar sucks.
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Everyone knows a friend or relative who's gay, so get over it. As for every good-looking guy being gay, well thanks for the compliment. Also, TPM had fantastic actors Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson and Natalie Portman in main roles and it still sucked so why complain over these? When you have to act opposite non-existing characters and green-screens it doesn't actually give an actor much motivation.
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Troll, had to switch computers (I'm at home eating lunch now). I probably came off a little strong myself. You see, my pet peeve is when people misuse the word homophobe. It's just one of those things that make me want to pull my hair out!
P.S. A bad Christian does not make Christianity bad.
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But cool news, nonetheless. I don't get Hanks being cast as Kitster, though. Doesn't George notice a slight difference in ethnicity between the kid in TPM and Hanks? Didn't he se my posts? Surely Wilmer Valderrama could've handled the part. Anyways, it looks as if everyone's hypotheses are becoming closer to truths, as in Kitster being Boba Fett. I don't really see a need for the character otherwise. I'll tell you one thing, though. GL is gonna CASH the fuck in on the girls this time. With these three plus Ewan, the Tiger Beat count just exploded. See ya at the line, ladies.
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Don't mind me. It is organized religion in general that drives me nuts - there's only so much ridiculousness one person can take. I basically follow George Carlin's beliefs on the subject. ;) It's not that I don't believe in a God, but I can't stand people using God to be jerks. Bad experiences, like I said.
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May 05, 2000 1:38:14 PM CDT
GEORGE, JUST KEEP SCHTUM, MUM'S THE WORD,"PROPER" VEIL OF SECRE
by the salem slut
JUST PROMISE THEM A CUT OF THE GROSS LIKE ALEC AND HARRISON IN RETURN FOR KEEPING THEIR TRAPS SHUT. THAT OUGHTA DO IT.
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Troll, I think we got a little off track. shouldn't we be bashing Star wars and second guesing everything Lucas does? ;)
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I posted a message to George Lucas the other day on the discussion board and he didn't even bother to respond. In the message I informed him how he destroyed the integrity of of his Star Wars films with the piece of shit known as The Phantom Menace. Now it's likely that since pussy Harry Knowles placed my post in the center of the talkback instead of at the end where it would have been visible Mr. Lucas didn't see it. So it that case Mr. Lucas, I will give you the chance to respond now. Stop hiding behind your money Billonaire George and come face me. Your last 2 Star Wars films sucked and it's about time you explained yourself to me why they did. Jar Jar was a whining douchebag bitch and the Ewoks were obvious attempts to put a cute character on a lunchbox. Answer my challenge Mr. Money, C'mon!
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But of course ... ;) Ryan Phillipe's a prettyboy, Colin Hanks is waaaaay too geeky for a Star Wars movie (although I personally think he's cute, but I like the geeks), and I hope Jar Jar dies a fiery, vicious death, maybe by gerbil attack. Better? :)
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Well, now we can get excited for the movie and stop concentraiting on "who's going to be who"
I'm totally happy with the "unknown" for Anakin. Totally Happy with Phillipe as Bail, and I guess Kister isn't Fett if hanks will be him...unless there's something else we don't know. But I'm happy with the choices, Now I need to start seeing designs and sets! 2002 is NOT close enough! -
I know the impulse is to just complain and pick at everything. But I gotta thank Harry for actually setting the record straight(now there will be a retraction I'll bet). And I don't have to read any Talkbacks to know that Phillipe is being blasted. Oh sure he is awfully pretty, almost too pretty, but he's playing a prince so it's kind of expected. And Anakin is an unknown so most fans should(I hope) be happy they got what they wanted. Frankly, I still think DiCaprio would have done the best job of his career with that part(but then, that's after you factor in the fantasy land magic of wishful thinking). But they're making their movie the way they want, and I hope Lucas makes dang sure he doesn't repeat his mistake and spend all his time on FX and hardly any on character, acting, story, and knowing with whom lies the emotional investment of the audience. Walken is NOT going to save the movie if these other elements aren't done right, and I do not know why people insist on latching onto such little nuggets? So Darth Maul has a duel edged light-saber, that won't make the movie GOOD! But I digress, and it's been a long day. Thanks for the info, Harry, your reporting is appreciated(no, I mean that). At last the question is answered, we have our Anakin(and our Kister and Organa, who knew we'd get them all at once?) and now we can all just stop thinking Star Wars and let it sneak up on us the way a movie should. Or am I back in Fantasy Land?
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I don't mind you at all! ;) Seriously, I'm totally in agreement with you on the whole organized religion thing. But don't rule out spirituality as a whole.
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George, I'm begging you, try writing a screenplay geared at grownups and not at selling Happy Meal toys. If you need a screenwriter who might actually tell you where you're thinking of your wallet while beta reading for you, I'll be happy to oblige. Granted, I haven't sold either one of my scripts yet, but I'm working on it ... ;)
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For anyone who has tortured themselves by watching Cruel Intentions, 54 or Playing by Heart, you know how horrible an actor Ryan Phillippe is. He makes Keanu Reeves look like Tom Hanks. I can live with Bail Organa but not Anakin. Could you imagine trying to stay awake between his monologues with the wooden Queen Amidala dialouges?
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Dear Mr. Lucas, For years now I have gotten used to movies with the word Fuck said at least every 2 minutes of a movie. I think that it has also become very normal to have a minimum of 3 hard core sex scenes. I think that the mistake that you made with TPM is the fact that you assumed that I would be able to look at this movie through the same eyes that watched Return of the Jedi.You see, I'm grown up and more sophisticated now and I realize what is truly important about a movie......remove as much "Fun" as is possible and replace with as many gratuitest(sp?) ass and tit shots that you can fit into 2 hours.
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Has Episode II already been released? It sure sounds like it from the number of people who insist it sucks.
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May 05, 2000 2:16:12 PM CDT
Ryan, Collin and the other dude....bad choices for 2 outa three
by the_pissboy1
Let's see we have a guy whose so stiff he makes Al Gore seem animated, a kid who earns his way on to a movie set by virtue of his parentage (actually only one parent is a star and the other is a bitter divorcee living in Sacramento) and finally a kid nobody has ever heard of before now. Well George, you screwed up the last film so royally, why not go for a non-actor, a Hollyweird brat and a no-mame?
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Ryan Phillipe:can't act, stiff, immovable, boring. His voice makes him sound like he's either high or slightly retarded. Remember his "perfomance" from Crule Intentions? He could have played a door for all the emotion and movement he brought to his barely there acting style.
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Collin: Daddy got you another job? Wow, you're turning into another Angelina Jolie and G. Paltrow. Place your bets on when the younger Hanks gets his Oscar...the clique of Hollywood loves to hand out golden boys to bad actors whose parents are famous. Collin, get out of the business, move home to mommy in Sacramento and actually earn your way in the world.
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I don't have any idea who this dweeb is, but knowing Lucas' skill at picking people I'm certain he will blow hairy chunks. Do we need another Hamill or Ford or other non-actor in the industry? Good heavens, hire people with talent. Oh, can't do that. You'd have to pay them. -
OH MY GOD... I'm not a Star Wars fan (never really was and definatly will not be if they keep making Jar-Jar like characters) but what Lucas thinking??!?!?!?! Bale is such a talented actor. His acting in "American Psycho" was wonderful (hell, one of the best performances this year to date). He's capable of anything when he in front of the camera. Ryan basically is in the teen look good flicks that are totally superficial and money makers based completely on looks, not content. What a freaking joke!!! Lusca is a total sell-out.
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May 05, 2000 2:24:19 PM CDT
Here's what Lucas can do to keep the script from sucking ...
by troll princess
1.) Go through with a red pencil and cross out everything that would either make a good action figure or sounds like it might come off as racist. 2.) Remember to stay with that classic mythological theme, but give us an ending we don't see coming. Might be difficult, though - the problem with sci-fi fantasy fans is that our imaginations run a little too wild. 3.) Read the script, then watch the original trilogy with a roomful of five-year-olds. Whatever they liked, that's the same kind of vibe you should get in this screenplay. 4.) Admittedly, the dialogue's got to be a little formal at times, but have a bunch of teenagers from a high school drama club read the script out loud to you. If anything sounds lame, change it. 5.) Yes, you are writing an action movie. But you're also writing a plot-driven script. Remember that when you're mentally shifting your budget for extras to your special-effects budget.
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This movie needs Mandalores big time. It would also be nice if Jar Jar becomes a gungan prostitute on the streets of Coruscant.
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May 05, 2000 2:29:01 PM CDT
Here's what Lucas can do to keep the script from sucking ...
by troll princess
1.) Go through with a red pencil and cross out everything that would either make a good action figure or sounds like it might come off as racist. 2.) Remember to stay with that classic mythological theme, but give us an ending we don't see coming. Might be difficult, though - the problem with sci-fi fantasy fans is that our imaginations run a little too wild. 3.) Read the script, then watch the original trilogy with a roomful of five-year-olds. Whatever they liked, that's the same kind of vibe you should get in this screenplay. 4.) Admittedly, the dialogue's got to be a little formal at times, but have a bunch of teenagers from a high school drama club read the script out loud to you. If anything sounds lame, change it. 5.) Yes, you are writing an action movie. But you're also writing a plot-driven script. Remember that when you're mentally shifting your budget for extras to your special-effects budget.
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Well, it would have been the same thing -- how the hell are we supposed to tell the difference between these generic, white-bread, Orlando-boy-bandish actors? No wonder Adrian Dunbar's Bail Organa in Ep 1 ended up on the cutting room floor -- look at the Irish schnoz on him! Jesus -- if Lucas were casting A New Hope today, Han Solo would be played by Justin Timberlake and Leia by Britney Spears. YECCH! This does
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George Lucas a sellout? LOLOLOL ummm...I think we've all known for a long time that he's not really into cutting edge art house/indie flicks. Bottom line about my anticipation level for the film: anything the luminous, talented Natalie Portman is in, I will go see. Even if it's crap like Anywhere But Here and Where the Heart Is.
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Im not going to get too upset yet,im not familiar with these guys. However,if adding one of these dudes means AXING Jar Jar Binks,GO FOR IT. Another thing, wouldnt Jar Jar have been cooler if he had a non-speaking roll. If the Gungans had just ripped his tongue out at the start of E1,we would have had a FAR more tolerable character. I know,more Jar Jar bashing,but hey Im just sitting here wondering...
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Absolutely Hysterical! Bravo, ol' chap! Bravo!
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Actually this website posted that image up about a year and a half ago and sorry ladies but he has no genitalia(Jakovasuars!). If Star Wars is set in such a big universe, why do all the characters keep bumping into one another. First we find out that Anakin/Darth Vader created C3PO and that R2 bumped into him. Then we find out that Boba Fett, an insert-villian from Episode 5, was doing 69 with Amidala and this is what led Anakin to succumb to the dark side. Now we're hearing that that token Indian kid from TPM grew up to be Boba Fett and, on top of that, Greedo was a childhood friend of Anakin's. My problem with all of this is that it takes away from the grandeur of Star Wars. A galaxy is a big place, random characters shouldn't be bumping into eachother more often than Chinese refugees floating on a raft. Boba Fett did not get in a love triangle with Anakin and Amidala, he did not start the clone wars and he wasn't the token Indian kid from Ep. 1, he was just some random guy who found a mandalorian exoskeleton and became a bounty hunter. Leave it at that.
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(1) Etymologically "homophobe" started out to mean
"fear of homosexuality" but has expanded in
common usage to mean any kind of negative
reaction to the subject, usually one of intolerance (as
yours is). You would know this if you read
newspapers and magazines or talked to people over
the age of twelve.
(2) Of course you have the right to think and say
anything you like. But if you choose to express
such opinions in public, you are hanging a huge sign
around your neck reading, "I am an idiot and a
bigot."
(3) The word you are trying to use is "accept" and
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Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I don't want Ryan Fuck-My-Abs Philippe in Episode II, and I'm not particularly interested in the others. And that Hanks kid as Kitster? Was it just me or did that kid look Arabic? How do get the son of Tom Hanks to look like an Arab, or at least a guy with a major tan? I really hope this isn't true. If it is, then Christopher Walken will have a lot of asses that he really needs to kick...hard. (And, on a sidenote, Philippe is far too young to be Organa, working with the general timeline of Star Wars)
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So, eh, it's cold here on this Ice World planet. Glad I brought me Moosehead and waffles. Can't forget the Aunt Jemimah, eh? By the by, I'm yer pappy. Weird, eh? Put on yer trousers, boy, we're goin to the lake and playin hockey.
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Fan Boys DO know more about the Star Wars universe than George Lucas. He made it, then he broke it. I bet there are 100 scritwriters in Hollywood who could have written a better episode I, could write a better episode II, and it's a damn shame it will never happen. Any good SW books out there? I've never read any of them, but they've GOT to be better than this 15-21 y.o. orientied crap that George wants to show us now.
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It appears that no one has a fucking idea what midi-chlorians are!!! Let me clear it up. Midi-chlorians are not THE force, they allow someone with a high enough concentration of them to FEEL the force. The force is still a 'mystical energy field', it's just that now we know what makes someone a Jedi or not.
Satisfied?? Probably not but never mind - I need a drink!!!
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Jeez, you think that you straight boys owned the freakin' Star Wars Universe. Get over yourselves. Those of us Star Wars lovin' gay boys couldn't be happier to have this hottie (Phillipe) in the movie. And don't forget the ladies. Just because your threatened by a pretty face, don't subject the rest of us to you pathetic rantings. Sorry boys, but ya just can't cut it. Besides, no matter what he actually decides, you are gonna bitch about it for the next 10 years.
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May 05, 2000 4:31:37 PM CDT
IT'S OFFICIAL! LORD OF THE RINGS and THE MATRIX 2&3 will blast
by the tall man
Where is Marcia Lucas when we need her? It seems maybe she was the last person able to tell George "NO! THAT SUCKS!" Even Spielberg can't bring himself to even slightly rocking his buddies boat. George, you once said you succeeded because you surrounded yourself with very talented people. For god's sake, let some of these people give you an objective opinion without fear of being "Banned from the Ranch" and maybe...MAYBE...one of them will have the courage to explain what a mess you're making of this incredibly important film series. IT'S NOT TOO LATE TO CHANGE THE PATH! You recast Luke at the last second. Please, George, use the force.
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Who is Kister everybody? And yes LotR will blow this shallow series out of the water.
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The name is Joey Stylez. Remember it next time. Man, you just don't learn, do you? Here you go again, acting as if your opinion is The Word and The Law Of The Land. Let's examine some of the more ridiculous statements you made in your last post. "For his own good the prequels should be wrestled away from him." BWAHAHAHAHA!!! So you're saying that just because you didn't like TPM the whole Star Wars series should just be taken away FROM THE MAN WHO CREATED IT??? I guess you also agree that Forry Ackerman should never be allowed to write for Famous Monsters of Filmland magazine ever again. "I put claims in quotations because I have a hard time believing that anyone who has ever seen a movie before could really have liked TPM as much as the other Star Wars films." Well guess what chuckles, we do like them as much as the other films. I can't belive that people actually listen to Rush Limbaugh, but that's just my point of view. This is America, remember? Everyone is entitled to their point of view. And considering how successful the movie was in theaters and on video, YOUR view is in the minority. "I now have a new yardstick to measure a persons film intelligence by; anyone who defends "Phantom Menace" is too stupid to call themselves a movie fan." Like anyone else really gives a shit. Like I said before, if you didn't like the movie, fine. Whoopee-fucking-doo for you. Stop bitiching about it. Go watch Runaway Bride or some other crappy movie you might like. I know I'm a movie fan, and I know I have good taste in films. Have you even seen Citizan Kane? Can you tell me, in detail, exactly why this movie is considered the best film ever made? If you can't then YOU'RE the one who's too stupid to be a movie fan. "As for the guy on the other talkback who called me a closet case and a dickwad or something like that..." The correct word is FUCKWAD. Now that I'm done embarrassing you, feel free to respond and please try to include SOME level of intelligence and merit to your arguments, other than what you think a film should be. Facts, not opinions. Capise? JS is OUT.
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Okay kids, this is just getting plain stupid. Everyone's sitting here complaining about the casting. Personaly I think it's just plain sad that only maybe 5% of the posters here can write something without bashing one other talkbackers or throwing homophobic remarks out there about the actors. It's really too infantile. Hey, you guys think you can do better than these movies, give it your best shot. Sell your idea, keep complete control and get it done.
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You people are morons!!!!
1. your judging the a film THAT HASN'T EVEN BEEN FILMED YET!
2. This Guy Hayden Christensen, we don't even know his work, we can't judge him yet!
3. OK, for the FuckNut that called Lucas a "sell-out", um, um, HOW THE FUCK IS HE A SELLOUT????? Did he cast Leo? Or Van Deer Beek? NO, YOU Stupid FUCKS! He stuck to his guns and cast a "unknown" so shut your traps!
4.For all you Christian bale retards...HE'S TOO FUCKING OLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5. Ryan Phillipe as Bail Organa, yea, I'll buy that...
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FutureLucas, there needs to be more talkbackers like you. It's nice to see someone on here that's NOT an idiot. God knows there's very few on here that aren't
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I can see it now, Liam Neeson is laughing his ass off at Sam Jackson and Ewan MacGregor right now. He got lucky and was killed off before the real insanity started. Here are the titles now, Tatooine 90210, Coruscant Creek, Saved By The Sith. Hell, they'll probably come up with a teen TV show for the WB dealing with the angst riden Jedi apprentices and their complicated love lifes. Jesus Christ; what is happening to this world. I suggest we all pool our money and hire an assasin to put poor George out of his (and our) misery, he is clearly experiencing flashbacks from some good shit he took in the late 60's; this is not the behavior of a sane man. I can see it now; a large part of this film will deal with Queen Amidala fretting over her SAT's and how to get into college, she'll be assisted in her quest by a small green alien with a large dark green helmet that only she can see and hear, they'll get into all kinds of mischief, but everything will be OK in the end and the final scene will be of her going to her first frat party. Fucking hell, this looks as if it could plumb depths even the Phantom Menace dared not reach we have to stop this before it sinks any further into the tenth level of hell.
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Hahaha Colin Hanks as Kitster. Kitster is supposed to be indian. I heard that Mihir Patel (www.mihirpatel.com) was going to be Kitster. Searching for Anain Skywalker reported that.
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When I last posted I was dead tired from working all night so allow the ol Wolvster to properly pop my claws. I don't give a fuck anymore about fucks like you who think Menace is the worst thing put on film. It wasn't. There are far worst films. We waited 16 damn years for a new Star Wars film and I for one was glad Lucas went back to it. JESUS H. FUCKIN CHRIST it wasn't THAT bad. It expected more but it is only a fuckin movie. He has 2 more to go. If A New Hope was released today, the assholes on this site would tear it apart. Nothing Lucas does will be good enough for you half wit,sudo intellectual, artsy fartsy wanna be Gene Siskels. I guess what I'm tring to say is I don't give a fuck anymore about fucks like you who hate this movie with every fiber of your being. I got some quotes for you CK "FUCK OFF". You will be in line for EP II and III with your geeky ass t shirt no matter what you say. I don't give a fuck anymore who says it sucks. You all need to shut up already. Beating a dead horse and nobody cares. Its moved past "its cool to be different and bash Star Wars" phase by now. Get out of the house dickless and find something new to bitch about.I have a new stick to measure assholes by: Cereal Killer
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If not, then who is Uncle Owen? Anakin has to have a "brother" for Luke to have an "uncle owen." Or does Amadala have a brother? Or a sister? And she's Aunt Baru? Or maybe Aunt Baru is one of the handmaids? Or JAR JAR? Or Jar Jar's clone? Or the offspring of Amadala and Jar jar's clone? HHHHHHHHHHHH!
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I am so ashamed to be a Star Wars fans when I read this crap. Gay bashing. People who have no better argument than to critique someone's spelling (Jerky Mcwhatever!)!
Not to mention the fact that everyone is so damn selfish about Lucas' vision! You think you know more than him... about his own universe that he created? Get over yourselves. You didn't like the movie? Get over and hope that the next one is more to your liking.
Just shut the hell up. You would bitch about anything Lucas has to offer. Anything.
Don't ever say Lucas killed Star Wars, because without him, there would be no movies! Without him, the project would have gone to some studio shitheads that would butcher it.
You didn't like Lloyd? You try to act in a fucking movie. You didn't like Jar Jar? Fine... get over it!
Either choose not to see the next movies, or shut the hell up and wait for the next.
Either way, I'll see you in line "ms/mr. I know eveerything about film and Star Wars." You son't know shit. You know as much as any "Star Wars fan" knows.
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Well, I have been reading some of the immature ranting of the lunatics in this group and must say some of it is quite hilarious. It isn't very hard to wade through the garbage here and pick out the few, _very few_ pieces of insightful observations / meaningful discussion topics. Now then, having said my piece about all the previous posts, let me add a few things of my own:
Firstly, none of what you freaks say matters, not one word. You with the beergut who took his future wife to see the first showing of star wars, or you, yes you, the damn kid with pink hair and 14 noserings. Mr. Lucas has your entire Star Wars Universe in his head to do as he pleases. He could make it all go Nova in Episode 2 and call quits to the whole shebang. So, knowing that little bit of inevitability, we should accept our lot in this universes life, as observers.
Secondly, Casting. An unknown playing the main character of Anakin? My my, have we ever seen an unknown play an integrel part in any of the previous star wars? MMmmmm let me think. Ryan Phillepe is gay. Ryan Rhillepe is not gay. Um, who gives a shit, can he wield a lightsaber...not that one you freaks :)
Thirdly, Plot. Does it really matter if the movie is not up to your expectations storywise? Does is matter if Boba Fett's history is uncovered? If the Outbound Project is touched upon? If Yoda wears any underpants? No, go in expecting nothing, that way you won't be disappointed with the end results, as I wasn't with episode I. It was everything I hoped it would be, just a nice afternoon out at a Star Wars movie with a tub of popcorn and a big bladder-filling ice-wasting pepsi. Have a nice day. -
I have nothing the kid, but didn't he look and act retarded in the scene when he was in his pod screaming "It's working! It's working!"? He'll be perfect to play everyone's favorite handicap
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May 05, 2000 6:19:34 PM CDT
Good. You guys better deal with the fact that Anakin is like Lu
by superninja
This means that Anakin is skinny and is not a big, tough, bad ass by appearance. Hmmm...interesting they replaced the older (much older) Organa with Phillipe. I smell love triangle. Sorry Obi-Wan! Guess you have to die a virgin...
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May 05, 2000 6:20:08 PM CDT
*SPOILER* What REALLY happens to JAR JAR and BOBBA FETT!
by dark predator
Okay, since allyall say Kitster is Bobba Fett, here's what happens. Kitster, being urged on by all true Star Wars fans, hates JAR JAR and slaps him around like a b**ch. Unfortunately for Kitster, (and all of us) he does not KILL the evil one, but merely tortures him in the deserts of Tattooine and we are treated to this spectacle in EPII. In EPIII, Jabba's wife (or whatever) takes pity on the mutilated Jar Jar whose tongue is sliced into three separate forks and begins to make (or attempts to at least) hot, passionate love to the evil one. Just as they are in the middle of it, Palpatine and Yoda walk in, their oppositely charged medichlorians cause an emmense amount of radiation. Jar Jar and Mrs. Jabba's bodies are merged into one giant mutation. Despised and hated by all, the creature formerly known as Jar Jar, slithers off into the Tattooine desert and digs a hole. He/she/it is not seen again until Episode VI when Kitster, as Bobba Fett, is drawn into the terrible jaws (or "Jar Jars" of the Sarlaac. At last, Jar Jar was his ironic revenge!
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A spot of logic here, just for a change of pace!
The only thing I've seen Ryan Phillipe in is "Cruel Intentions", and it was enough to provoke complaint about his being cast in a SW movie.
Why? Because he can't speak flowery language - or even say grammatical sentences naturally, a common failing among young American actors. Since every actor who has ever worked with George Lucas has complained about his stilted and old-fashioned use of the English language, this could be a problem!
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Sorry if my comments were taken the wrong way but I just don't see how or why the mere mention of Ryan Phillipe or other actors should spark such a flurry of ugly hatred and gay-attacks. Like you say, I don't care either way. I'm a hetero male with gay friends, and I would think both gays and straight people would be offended by some of the venom on these Talkbacks today. I also believe people can have different opinions and beliefs without encouraging violence or hatred. Look at some of the comments made, and tell me how they were warranted? That's all I'm saying. Telling ME to "give it a rest" while the more outrageous statements of others are virtually ignored seems a little bizarre to me. Peace out.
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Now we all "know" that as the prequels progress, they're gonna get more and more dark with the EP3 being the darkest of all six movies....so how about Lucas fucking right off and letting David Fincher direct Andrew Kevin Walker's script! Then we'd see a really dark film!!!
On the same subject, how many others have noticed that the worst of the Star Wars films are both written and directed by Lucas? A New Hope? - Shite!!! Phantom Menace? - Mildly shite (but some awesome photography and choreography). Irvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan MADE ESB and Kasdan continued it with ROTJ (although Lucas still had to have his fucking Ewoks in didn't he???). Why doesn't Lucas pull his head out of his arse and his dick out of McCallum's pretentious chocolate factory and, as before, let someone else take the reigns as he can't direct a film or write a screenplay for absolute shite!!!! Fincher and Walker for EP3!!!!! -
Boy, are you guys a bunch of armchair quarterbacks. If you were so damn good at casting maybe you would being earning good money in the Industry. Alas I don't think you are. And what the hell does it matter if someone is gay or not? Jealous? Oh and for those of you who are waiting for a lesbian nude scene with Ms Portman..you crack me up. Not only is her left earlobe more intelligent than you, but she is too good of an actor to have to remove any of her clothes on screen. If all you want to see is her butt-ass naked so that your right hand can get some action, then you have NO right to criticize the casting of the male characters.
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Do you supposed "fans" not remember that Bail Organa was actually a filmed character for Episode I?????? His scenes were cut. There were pictures of his character ALL over the place! This info is bunk! He may have been played by an Adrian Dunbar...
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The only way any of these kids will be Bail Organa is if Lucas plans to totally disregard Adrian Dunbar's portrayal that never made it to the final cut...
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Fox Family Channel's gonna run a "Higher Ground" marathon all next week, so check it out and judge for yourself. From what I saw in tonight's episode, Hayden can pull off being one sadistic, cruel, dark little fucker. He exuded a brooding, seething presence, cutting people down with menacing stares and quick words (Shoulda seen how he handled this one chick in the show who was arguing with him. He just gave her a death look and uttered "Freak", which sent her going for his throat.) Even when his character, Scott Barringer, manages to redeem himself he does so grudgingly. ...yeah kiddies, it seems like George Lucas, Robin Gurland and the Lucasfilm folks have made a wise choice.
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This is all too weird. I did the closed captioning on several episodes of Hayden Christensen's Tv show - Higher Ground - which shoots in Vancouver, Canada. If you want to visit the show's site it's at -
http://www.foxfamilychannel.com/higher_ground/story.html
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It's a very bad show, and I'm not convinced he's a very good actor. Actually, I think he's probably quite bad, at least the kind of medicore actor that a director who doesn't know how to direct actors (as George Lucas clearly does not) cannot make something good out of. I would say this is a very distressing development, but I didn't really hold out much hope for Episode II. This confirms, however, that Lucas is completely out to lunch.
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For a far better take on Episodes II and III (and, hell, Episode I as well) visit my site - The Star Wars Prequel Rewrites at*********
http://www4.50megs.com/paladin***********Cheers :)
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...because I had seen TPM the day before. Even in the opening crawl, Star Wars talked about "Rebel space ships striking from hidden bases...Princess Leia racing home aboard her starship..." the work of a daring young filmmaker with a sense of fun and enough humility to hire good writers to bring his vision to the page so that he could bring it to the screen in dynamic and vital form! TPM's crawl was about a tax hike or something, obviously the work of a rich guy in his fifties. Even the looks of the films: Star Wars, Empire, Jedi had an alien, yet historical mystery, a comic book romance look. The computer did an adequate job on TPM. Star Wars had good dialogue (I don't care what anyone says) with fiesty characters who were often in conflict with each other. TPM's characters were pompous and boring and talked too much without saying anything. I don't remember a human reaction in the whole movie. Given the Jedi council's treatment of Anakin, is it any wonder he joined the Sith. Unless things change in the other Episodes, Obi Wan seemed to hate him for no reason other than maybe the Force told him to. That's not good writing. It was good writing and acting in Star Wars when we felt Alec Guiness pain that a young man he'd cared about had turned into this monster. Finally, I'd like to address some interesting comments (as opposed to all the uninteresting homophobic and brainless comments I've read; where are the real film fans these days?) about the two to one battle between Darth Maul and Obi Wan and Qui Gon. That was about the only human thing in the whole damn movie. They could have addressed it better. Hell, the only one that said anything about it was Darth Sidious (proving that the Sith are better than the Jedi) when he stated that Maul was more than a match for Obi Wan and Qui Gon when he assigned Maul to kill them. The way it played out, it seemed like the characters all knew this. Stating it would have made the Jedi too much like real people. If I had the assignment of writing this script, which was my dream for so many years, I would have tried (and probably gotten fired) for making Maul someone that Anakin could idolize. In many ways, he might have been the most moral, most pure character in the script. For all we know, this was a guy who was doing what he thought was right! As a matter of fact, for all the overt racism in the movie, what about the idea that Maul was to be considered evil because he looked like our concepts for evil. He was from a red skinned, horn headed alien race, yet if you really watch his actions (and maybe with no lines Ray Park might have been the best actor in the damned movie) he communicated everything that Alec Guiness' Obi Wan was trying to teach Mark Hamill's Luke.
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So i just came back from seeing the poor man's BRAVEHEART... complete with your buddie with the scarred face and badass Aussie. (don't get me wrong, Russell Crowe is fuckin cool) but ANYWAYS, for those of you who have seen it...
I noticed the slave trader that sells Maximus to the gladiator wranger looks and sounds a whole lot like Watto from Episode One. I mean its like the same character... instead of selling off Anakin to race them pods, he sells Maximus to shank some bloody romans. Perhaps I am wrong... let me know. -
This is 110% bullshit. All of a sudden these 3 guys show up in Episode 2? I don't think so, so before you all start bitching realize that Harry is dumb and would even post that Anakin is going to be played by Gary Coleman if some dumb fuck, ordinary joe emailed him and told him that. So take it with a grain of salt and don'y worry about it untill you hear it from LUCAS.
Phillipe, because he's a fruity prettyboy does not mean he's gay. He may be a stupid little bitch who can't act for the life of him with hair that looks like un-croped scratchy pubes, but that mean he's gay?? He married Reese Witherspoon (can you say PUDGY????) he's not gay, be realistic here. He probly won't even be in the movie. And who's to say Bail Organa will even be a big part of it???
People seem to confuse things here, Bail Organa has never been casted. Bail Antillies was casted but was cut out of the movie. Capitian Antillies was in Episode 4 (bet most of you didn't know that he's the guy Vader chokes in the first scene did you? our last master was capitan Antillies" said 3Po, ring a bell now?) for the last time CAPITAN ANTILLIES, BAIL ANTILLIES AND BAIL ORGANA ARE ALL DIFFERENT CHARACTERS!!!!!
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Spielberg once said the day Star Wars became a hit America lost one of it's most creative directors. BS. Lucas is a one trick pony, and he's even lost that. Coppola could only do two thirds of a decent trilogy, and he kicks Lucas' head in as a director.
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"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough. It's a gold watch. Your father was wearing it when his plane was shot down over that Hanoi pit of hell." Christopher Walken might just save Star Wars.:)
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Why should Anakin show such blatant signs of evil? I thought the whole point of the story was that he starts out good, turns bad and is then redeemed. Is there any point in redemption when the person started out as a jerk? In any case, there was a hint in TPM that Anakin wasn't entirely selfless. He kept moaning about his mother, remember. Obi-Wan has great reason not to like him. Whenever Qui-Gon takes on "another pathetic lifeform", Kenobi always expresses his annoyance. Qui-Gon said he wanted to train Anakin. but I think the story plays out well - the way Obi-Wan is pushed into a vow to train the boy.
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(A) When Christopher McQuarrie's WAY OF THE GUN comes out this summer, you will all see Ryan Phillipe's performance and all you fucking fanboy teenyboppers will go, "Whoa! That guy is in EP 2. How fucking cool was he in that movie? He kicked some fucking ass! Let's go play X-Wing Alliance" But alas, I'm thinking that what will happen is... (B) Harry's HOT info is bunk bullshit and that a portion or all of what you read about casting is horseshit. Do you guys remember the big OSCAR WINNERS IN ADVANCE scoop? That proved to be a farce as will this. So fanboys, stop your fucking crying. The casting can't be any worse then what George already "wrote" and "directed" in Phantom Menace. You want to know how to fix the prequels? Something very simple. DON'T LET GEORGE WRITE THE SCRIPT. Bring in a young Hollywood gun like a Scott Frank or better yet, Darabont to rewrite him if George insists on doing it himself. Time will tell but I'm betting in a short time we will find Harry having to post a story about misinformation. Sorry Harry, I'm just being a pessimist.
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You know what I like to do? I like to wait until everybody leaves the house (They leave the house often to go to funerals, because everybody we meet dies) and then I take out my VHS copy of Phantom Menace (not even a widescreen copy. I'm a bad boy! I'm a bad boy! Smack it again, daddy!) ... uh, where was I? Oh yeah, then I put the tape in and I watch it and while I'm watching it I start to fantasize about what Yoda's got hidden under those robes and then I imagine Mace Windu in a leather thong with his lightsaber so long and thick and swinging back and forth slowly, almost lovingly ... Jeez, I jeep forgetting what I was talking about. Wait. Let me splash some water on my face. Okay. Better now. What I'm trying to say is that I really fear homosexuals. Sometimes when I'm walking along and I see a group of those filthy, godless queers coming my way, I cross the street really fast and find someplace to hide, while I watch them strutting down the sidewalk in all their gay glory, their sinuous buttocks stretching and straining beneath their tight leather Hot Pants like wild beasts crying to be set free. Okay. More cold water. Ahh, sweet relief. Well anyway, I hope you know what I'm trying to say. I'd explain it further, but I've got to sneak off to th bathroom and ... uh--clean it! Yes, I've got to go clean the bathroom now. I'll have to scrub long hard, up and down, over and over because it gets dirty in there. It gets so very dirty in there......
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Johnathon Hales is working with Lucas on the E2 script...don't any of you know that?
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I'm not gonna rant and rave at you like the other people in this talkback. But BAIL ORGANA was the one that was cut from EPISODE I. Look up "Adrian Dunbar" at www.imdb.com under the people section... there you will see:
STAR WARS: EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE... (uncredited) (scenes deleted).
I also read an interview about those deleted scenes and they used the name "BAIL ORGANA".
Yes, BAIL ANTILLES is a different person too. Just thought you should know...
Peace... moto
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May 06, 2000 4:13:16 PM CDT
If Kitser (What a shit name,sounds like a fucking disease) is Fe
by mr orange
Can you possibly fucking imagine Fett taking off his helmet and looking like some gook pakey fuck. Talk about complete bollocks. And then have an American play the grown up pakey, COME ON,it just better not happen. There was absolutely NO need for that character in TPM. I mean who'd give a fuck if a podracer ploughed into him. NOBODY!! thats who. Also that fat Rodian cunt was duuuummmmbbbb.KAK BEYOND KAKNESS!!! I won't even comment on that Gungan cunt who ruined every scene he was in.Everything else was cool though. Worst line in the film = "Are you an Angel" What the fuck was George on when he wrote that...Acid probably.
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Either you're a high school punk, or a grown man that has never really grown up.
I agree with your point about the Kitser/Boba thing being lame, but I suggest you go to the ignorant/racist sites and rant. Gook? Grow up... what a racist thing to say... even if you were joking.
Then to have every other word be "fuck"... wow, you DO sound intelligent:)
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Y'know..I think Walken'd kick it as Tarkin...*evil laugh*
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Who would've thunk it...you idiotic fanboys calling guys like Phillipe gay?? What about that whining sissy boy Luke, he never is with a girl, when Leia kissed him it is obviously the first time he ever been kissed by a girl, and his strange attachment to Obi-Wan is a little weird, i think Obi may have fed him the other white meat on the way to Alderaan...also, how about the strangely homoerotic nature of the relationship between 3po and r2d2, that is as flaming as can be, and I think Watto was not just selling ship parts, but kiddie porn to Sebulba, JAbba, and the other asexual beings, maybe Anakins turn has to do with the fact that he is so enraged by his kiddie porn movie being aired over the Naboo airwaves and Amidala is mad cause she couldn;t join in.... so stop complaining about sw2 being gay and complain about the fact that all star wars movies are homosexual propaganda, as Lucas is the queen of queers, a fuckstick sucker to the end....
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Here's the deal, folks. If you enjoy something, you can support it by buying into the product. If you dont enjoy something, you dont support it by not buying into the product. Are we clear on that? Now, for all you folks that whined and complained about Episode 1, please, I beg you, dont go see Episode 2. Personally, I enjoyed Episode 1, and I look forward to seeing Episode 2, but it seems to me that you all that whined about Episode 1 need a break. Dont go see Episode 2. When someone asks your opinion of Episode 2, tell them you didn't see it because you didn't enjoy Episode 1. It's simple. By not going to see Episode 2, you wont
a)be disappointed if it's something not worth standing in line a month for...
b)be happy if it is something worth standing in line for
c)have any opinion of the movie (oh, and believe me folks...your opinions are sooooo valueable...even though you all whined, I believe Episode 1 still made 4 billion or so...but dont worry, your opinion does matter..really it does **strokes your ego's nicely**)
d)have to see Jar Jar fart in all your faces (nice Orpheus haha :) )
e)be questioning if Episode 2 is better than The Two Towers
f)have to support Star Wars in any way shape or form.
The rest of us can go watch the movie and decide if we like it or not. Thats the way the process is. Dont support things you dont like. Support things you do. Whine about it once, and be done with it.
That sounds reasonable, right? Now, what you should be concentrating on doing is building up the hype for The Lord of the Rings, and also make sure to tell everyone that The Lord of the Rings is going to be the greatest trilogy ever and remember also to stand in line 3 months before it opens, to show your loyal support before seeing it. And remember that after you watch the Fellowship of the Ring, that even though the Matrix 2 didn't have as many effects, it is a much better movie.
It seems that's your role in society...to whine...so, get to work, whiners! and build up The Lord of the Rings, and make sure that no how good the movie is, it'll be a disappointment. Jump on board The Lord of the Rings bandwagon ""oh, I always loved those books, and here's how I would have made those Rankin Bass cartoons..."". You have a duty...just do it. Oh...dont forget to whine about Spiderman from time to time too. :)
Have a pleasant day.
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We are from the same village. I'm glad someone feels the same, as I know there is a huge resistance of us... a resistance against the whining turncoats.
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On elast thing to all who whine. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!!! You can just LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT baby!
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I mean, he cut it out, so why bother keeping the same guy? Especially if he wants to change things. I mean, if there is a triangle ahead(and I'm neither for or against such a gimmick) then the much older Dunbar might have seemed out of place. Oh sure, Anakin's younger but if this guy here is the new Anakin he's closer to the queen's age than Dunbar. I'm a little suprised Lucas would go to such a totally different actor for the part(Christian Bail seems more like the kind of Bail Organa Dunbar would have played) but I can't see why it would be so difficult to recast the part.
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Lucas never had any cool written plans for Episode I,II,and III.He just makes the crap up as he goes.Darth Vader made C-3PO?! What bullshit.They just happen to run into R2?This is crap too.Episode I sucked in a way that is hard to fathom.Jar Jar Binks(Roger Rabbit) is intolerable.The end began with Return of the Jedi.If the teddy bears can defeat the stormtroopers,How the hell did they take over the galaxy?What
I hear about the next movie sounds just as bad.The only redeeming value the movie had was the lightsaber duel and Darth Maul.Lucas has just stopped caring.I think the orpheus guy that wrote about Jar Jar humping the ewoks has inside info.He has probably seen the next script.Lucas knows that he can shovel any crap he wants and we will pay for it! -
i have to echo some of the previous posts...if you don't like the sound of Episode 2, then don't watch it, talk about it etc. I can't believe that some people are cussing Lucas for delivering exactly what he said he would. this is from Lucas, THREE years ago: "The first one is kind of upbeat and fun". He then goes on to say that the second one will get complicated and that the third one will be very, very dark. Please tell me that some of you know what "progression" is. Do we want the first part to give everything away? Do we want it to have the biggest space battle, or even be the most dramatic? The notion that the first chapter should be dark is misguided - it never happens. The start is always positive, the middle is dark, and the end resolves the burning questions. THAT is progression. if you understand that (I'm sure some people here do) then you can understand where the story is going. The fact that the saga keeps returning to Tatooine, or the same characters is symbolic - they all have their "mythical context" in the saga.
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Finger on the pulse! You deserve the last word on the Star Wars saga.
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You know what is the funniest part of this whole thing...the people bashing this film before it's even made/This guy who's Anakin can't act/Gay-Bashing freaks/Lucas killers... is?
Every single one of you will sit in line for a ticket to see it opening weekend. Not only that, 80% of you will see it more then once to say you wanted to see it again so you could pick it apart somemore. AND to top that off, those of us with faith in George Lucas(myself, my friends and millions of people online and in the world)will see it more then 4 times in the theater. You people need to grow the FUCK UP! You have nothing better to do but sit at the computer and bash a film that MAYBE 3 other people, OTHER then Lucas, knows anything about.
You also judge this kid from a FOX FAMILY CHANNEL series? Are you all doped up? Do you shoot up in your eyes because your veins in your arms and legs are dead? Those made for cable family shows ALL SUCK!
To judge him for that is so so so wrong. AND on a final note...Lucas DID get help from Hale for the script and spent an extra 4 months on the script!(if you recall, Lucas said the script was to be finished in Nov-Dec, but actually finished it in late March) And they're still revising it. So, in conclusion, you all(except the TRUE fans) can SUCK IT! -
OK, this is for those of you who think Lucas makes it up as he goes along...ESPECIALLY, the C3-PO thing...
There is a cut scene from ESB, very few people know about (those who do, please, respond) After 3PO is shot and discarded for junk, VADER takes his powercell(heart) and crushes it in his hands. Why you ask? To destroy ANYTHING that was Anakin Skywalker...Lucas KNEW 3PO was built by Anakin when he made the original trilogy, he said so himself...he just let it be not knowing Episodes 1-3 would ever get made. So there,Punks! -
we should start a petition for lucas to just make a hardcore porn starring natalie portman whose with me on that.
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Just how fat are you? Seriously. How big is your sorry ass from sitting on the computer jacking off to beastiality and from watching the movies that you know oh so much about? It's pretty wide I bet huh? Yeah. that's what I thought.
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FutureLucas, if you can produce this bullshit cut footage in any way shape or form , I think all of us would die of shock.All that we are dying of now is the stink of your bullshit.just point to the site,book,or retired Jedi who has heard of it
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The king of blockbuster video Rutger Hauer WILL be in EP 2. You have my word
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you know its true
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Star Wars: Behind the Magic CD-Rom has the info in there...anyone who has it, has seen it...Contact TheForce.Net, The Jedinet.com or most any SW fan site...they will back it up.
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Yes, an educated fan would know Bail Organa was cast in TPM, and that it "was" suppose to be Adrian Dunbar (wasn't he the drummer for Whitesnake? LOL...j/k) But Lucas cut him out, apparently because the role was going to be bigger then expected and this guy couldn't cut the mustard. NOW, I know Jake wasn't all that::yippee cringes:: But hey, he was only going to be in one flick anyway. Bail will be more important to the story(not more then Anakin, I know...more important then to be left in Dunbar's skills), hence, cut the Dunbar guy out, throw someone else back in.
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OK, FutureLucas is correct. There was a cut scene in Empire of Vader crushing C3po's "heart". But I don't believe it was because he built him, I think it's because he DID know C3po as Anakin and wanted to destroy that memory because he wanted anything that had to do with that past life destroyed. I could be mistaken about that, maybe Lucas DID intend for Anakin to have built C3po, but I think it makes more sense because Lucas always said that the droids would be the only characters in all of the films. BUT yes, it's on the "SW: Behind the Magic" CDROM, it's kind of hidden, but it's there...Jedinet and THEFORCENET did stories on it shortly after the CDROM was released.
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is EXACTLY the same age as Ryan Philippe and a hell of a better actor. George Lucas has went completely off the deep end. I don't understand why he would cast all of these boy-band types when he could have cast talented, charismatic actors like Bale and the unfairly-demonized Leonardo DiCaprio. Anakin, in particular demands a hugely charismatic, dangerous presence; he turns into Darth Vader, for crying out loud! I know I'm not saying much that hasn't been said by a hundred other people here, but just had to get this out of my system.
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I was disappointed that the big precursor to Anakin becoming Vader was that he missed his mother. Anakin did not show evil or a tendancy toward the dark side when he started missing her. That's humanity. I was 13 years old in August 1977 (I know it came out in May but not in my neighborhood) when I saw Star Wars. Even then, I was struck by the fact that Luke was so callous about his uncle and aunt's murders. Alan Dean Foster handled it better in the novelization, showing us that Luke was upset at least. In the movie, if I was a Tatooine cop and didn't know that stormtroopers did the killing, Luke would be my prime suspect because he clearly didn't give a damn and it made things so convenient for them. I applaud Lucas for giving Anakin more humanity and this was one of Jake Lloyd's best scenes, proving that he might be a better actor than most of us have given him credit for. He just didn't have much to act on. But Lucas makes me groan when this missing of the mother and fear are reasons for Obi Wan to dislike Anakin and Yoko and Mace Windbreak to reject him. Qui Gon seemed to be the only true Jedi... Qui Gon and Maul, anyway. They lived up to the Jedi ideals. The rest of the Jedi were a bunch of heartless bigots. At least the Sith are in touch with their emotions, even if they are dark emotions. I thought the Force was what that was all about. It's like John Milius said about Lucas in a recent interview: "He worked all this mythological stuff into the Phantom Menace without understand the myths." True, this was sour grapes on Milius' part, directed at a less intellectual and less talented classmate who has somehow become far more successful, but it's true. For all my bitching, I love the Star Wars trilogy and I liked TPM (I mean, if you thought it was bad, remember all the other movies out last year? It was a work of art compared to about 60% of them). I think that a true Star Wars fan and a true film fan has a right to demand greatness. I agree with the Talkbacker who said George makes this stuff up as he goes along and I disagree with those who say: You guys can't say you know more about Star Wars than George Lucas. Your average Talkbacker is probably a lot closer to being the person George was when he did the first movie: hip, creative, humorous and a little rebellious. Now when Lucas is criticized, he or his fans will defend him by saying the movies are for children, but we all know they're not! Kids can enjoy them and they have source material that was intended for kids, but it was done in a way that everyone, especially young adults, could appreciate. The thing for most of us that get riled up about this stuff to do, I suppose, is something that I'm sure George Lucas would have applauded in '77: DO OUR OWN STUFF! Take the good things you've learned from Lucas and guys like him and do something of your own with it (although I recommend not setting in a long time ago in a galaxy far far away). Finally, many of the talkbackers have said: You guys who complain about this stuff will be in line like the rest of us. They're right. We will. I'll probably see the next one more than once and own the DVD and I'll enjoy it, get irritated by it and admire it.
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How the hell did you write that long-ass post?
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However, I think you should give the story the benefit of the doubt. Certainly Anakin's fear of losing his mother is the only seed planted so far, but we have two more films to flesh out his dark side leanings. I think one of the big points George is making with TPM is that the people who do "go bad" usually start out very nice and good. One thing George has said is that Anakin will turn to dark side due to a desire for power, and because he starts feeling better than everyone else around him. I think the darkness you missed is coming right around the corner. Also, about the bit in ANH, I thought that John Williams was the savior of that feeling of loss Luke surely had for his surrogate family. Personally, I do not think Luke has to worry about being a suspect as I am sure the corrupt officials would certainly write it off as another Tusken Raid. Another thing you picked up on was how different Qui-Gon was compared to all of the other Jedi. The explanation for this has to do with balance. Like you said, the Members of the council seem to be unfeeling pompus fools. They are always looking at the bigger picture rather than the individual case. That is why Qui-Gon (who is in touch with the living Force) is at odds with them all the time. He is always focused on the individuals like Jar-Jar and Anakin rather than focusing on the larger picture of what will happen down the road. Obi-Wan, sense the same danger that is elsewhere, elusive, because like Yoda and the Council, he is leaning towards the unifying force. Qui-Gon quickly correct him and tells him not to forsake the moment. What you see as poor emotional direction, I see as a dead on representation of the reason the Jedi will fall. Lucas has always had this thing about Science VS Religion. He feels that one does not invalidate the other, and that if they can reach a balance between spiritualism and science, they will undoubtedly augment one another. Also I do not think you should dismiss Lucas' hip level just yet. There is a definate reason that he has made this film very light. In his own words: "I made TPM as light hearted and happy go lucky as possible, because the next film will be much darker, and the third film will not be happy by any stretch of the imagination. Sure Lucas makes the details up as he goes along, however the real genius behind the saga has to do with the basic plot points that he has been tossing around since '77. You gotta have faith in Good ol George. I have no reason to beleive that in another 20 years we will all be celbrating the prequels as much as we would the classic trilgoy. It is just hard to understand hwta George is trying to do, simply because nothing like it has ever been attempted. We simply have no basis for comparison. Even in the wors case scenario, lets say George just screws up the next two films. If that is what he wants to do, that is his call. I am glad you made the concession that if you think you can do better than George than go make your own space opera. I am just so sick of fans acting like George has lost the right to tell this story the way he would like to. He has more than earned that right.
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AMong other typos, I meant to say that i see no reason why we will not be celebrating the prequels as much as the classic trilogy in another 20 years... Thank you, drive through.
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that isnt greedo as a childhood freind either,try checking the credits(warwick is in the suit)
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May 08, 2000 3:13:04 PM CDT
Gomer, that still doesn't explain the overuse of Jar Jar Binks.
by superninja
Fangirl that I am, I've already worked out how Lucas could easily fill what are percieved as plotholes by the fans. However, one glaring problem that will not go away is why Lucas chose to take a character who is absolutely CENTRAL to the saga, and hide him in the background while overusing the supposed "comic-relief". There are only 2 or 3 scenes where Jar Jar is actually needed to advance the plot -- the rest is fluff. But Obi-Wan Kenobi, a character that we need to understand to believe his development from rash jedi knight to wise old wizard, is given a total of 7 lines and one cool fight scene at the end. I think that is a huge problem. The only explanation for the overuse of Jar Jar is that George's ego is involved. He was so proud of his creation that everything NON-CGI in the film took a backseat.
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Of course everyone's version of quality is different, but some people around here have a problem with that. I say TPM was lame -- it was a bunch of CGI with fantastic actors that were horribly wasted. I can list the reasons, I won't, but no one can tell me that my reasons for disliking the film are invalid because they're mine. Some people agree with them, some don't. The problem I have is when I am supposed to accept someone else's opinion as my own or that person considers mine invalid. If you love TPM, great...but do we really have to hear about why we should all kiss the ground Lucas walks on because he created SW in the first place? Lucas giving us SW is supposed to cancel out the fact that for some of us, TPM was downright dull? Now, we're not fans because we have what we consider VALID CRITICSM as moviegoers? I don't trash anyone for liking the film, but I will argue the reasons why I thought it was bad, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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I am not sure where it started, but people are convinced that jar-jar gets more screen time than Obi-Wan. Simply not true. There is no need for an excuse, Jar-Jar is an important character who happens to be annoying. Conversely, Obi-Wan was not underused. In fact, originally, Qui-Gon was only a part of Obi-Wan's psyche. The rebelliousness of Qui-Gon was separated from Obi-Wan's character to more clearly explain the duality he now faces as he moves into the second episode. Where he was a straight laced, by the book Jedi in TPM, he picks up on Qui-Gon's departure from the ways of the Jedi Council. I can understand you liking Obi-Wan, but what is is that you would have liked? Just more stuff with Obi-Wan? Or do you really feel they missed something about him that was essentail to the story? You have to get used to the idea that TPM is merely putting the playing peices on the game grid. The next episode is where we are going to get the characertization that you seem to have missed. Trust me, while TPM was clearly the story of Qui-Gon first and foremost, the next episode will clearly be Obi-Wan's.
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Anybody ever heard of Blais Shumway?????
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Because all of our ideas on quality are purely subjective from person to person, you can feel free to like or dislike whatever you want no matter what anyone else says. But lets say you hated TPM. I can deal with that, but you will have to get used to the idea, that you are not calling the shots. You feel TPM was lame, and I see no reason to invalidate your bonafide opinion. However, the film was a HUGE success, and there is no reason to think George is worried about the disgruntled fans who are above fart jokes. If you cannot see why TPM was great, that's fine. I do not expect everyone to get that. And if you want to voice your concerns, hey even better. That is what these forums are for. But quit acting like you could have done better, cause you couldn't have. If you disagree with me, then go make your own space operea, and let me know when it crushes SW. You know, back in the old days, people repsected people like Lucas. I mean, no matter how you felt about TPM (and I know how touchey these feelings can be) George has given this planet so much more than any of you have even thought about contributing, that you would think at the very least you could entertain the idea that while you may disagree with Lucas, it is not like you are the Answerman or anything. I guess I would have a lot more respect, if you would simply give your observations and suggestions in a slightly civil manor, without totally slamming the guy. He is putting his heart and soul into this saga, wether you can see that or not, and at the very least you coudl act like that means something to you.
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He's putting his heart and soul into these films? Well guess what -- I'm putting my hard earned money into his pocket. I, and many others, have been "rewarding" him for years. Your opinion an extreme. While I question Lucas, you believe that we should all openly accept his work based on what he's done in the past? We've already done that -- SW is a great creation, no one here is second-guessing that. Based on TPM trailer, I thought EP1 was going to be a much better film than it was. I wanted to believe that Lucas could do it again, but in my opinion, he failed to recreate the magic. The fact that it did such great numbers is a testament to the power of the universe he created. I will admit that I saw the film four times to try to like it better. Some of the things that bothered me with the first viewing went away -- other GLARING problems did not. And Lucas' battle with his own fans and the media said to me that his feelings weren't hurt because he poured his heart and soul into SW, but more that his creation, Jar Jar, was rejected by the fans. Lucas went on and on about how he was breaking ground with the the first all CGI-actor, and many, MANY people hated the character. His ego got bruised and he took it out on the fans and the press like a kid having a temper-tantrum. I saw plenty of reviews by fans and critics alike that had valid criticsm, but were beaten down for holding to those views in a very reasonable manner.
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First of all, I can understand your feelings Superninja. I know that if I thought that George had Screwed up TPM, I might be right where you are. But the fact of the matter is, if you don't like it, don't let the theater door hit your ass on the way out. You have been supporting Lucas? Let me explain something about buying toys and tie ins for a film. If you buy a Jar-Jar action figure, then you get: A Jar-Jar action figure. Not the right to tell Geroge how Jar-Jar should be portrayed in the next episode. If you went to see TPM 4 times and still didn't get why it was so great, that's more than others would have given. However each $7.00 ticket you bought entitled you to: One showing of TPM. Not the right to say what should happen in the next episode. You were not buying stock, and you weren't donating money to Lucas. He made stuff and you bought it. End of transaction. Now for the bit about why Jar-Jar was a success. Lucas meant for most of this mean spirited and jaded world to Hate Jar-Jar. Just to recap one of the major themes in the saga: Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate... leads to suffering. That is the point. Lucas is taking all the "I hate Jar-Jar fans for a ride to the dark side and back. Who knows, some of you might learn something from it all, but only if you are open minded. Don't beleive me? Look at the other characters in the film. They were not treating Jar-Jar with Lassie level respect now were they? Qui-Gon was the only adult that could barely tolerate him. Anakin, the pure (read: yet to be deadly cynical and jaded) loves him. This will change as Anakin grows up and decideds that Jar-Jar is pathetic just like all the other "adults". After a while this sense of feeling better than others will extend to everyone else, and when that happens... Bam instant dark side user. Still, if you wanna go on and on about how much you hate Jar-Jar, then feel free. Give in to your anger... it'l be a hoot! But don't say I didn't warn you.
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May 08, 2000 5:18:14 PM CDT
Gomer -- where on earth did you get the idea that what I think o
by superninja
Your attitude is typical of the Lucas bootlicker squad. No where, in any of my critiscm, did I say that Lucas should do what I say, or that my opinion will affect his decisions? Please, I'm not kidding myself. My OPINION, however, is that there were errors in the film that need correcting. By your logic, if I buy a burger at McDonalds and it gives me the runs, I should just be glad that McDonalds served me in the first place! It's an institution!!!! They've given us Happy Meals for years! What a commie! If you ran the world, nothing creative would ever get done because people aren't allowed to question. But I bet your opinion only holds for Star Wars. If we were discussing a film you thought was lackluster, the tables very well might be turned. I have no problem admitting when I'm being pretentious -- I can laugh at myself when I know I've gone overboard about elements of TPM that didn't work for me. It's called being objective, which is something you seem to be lacking. You say you'd understand how I felt if you hadn't liked the film -- so what's the problem? Why do you keep up with the boring diatribe on what a great creation Lucas has made and how we shouldn't question his judgement if you "understand where I'm coming from"?
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i have been a fan of star wars since 1977 when i was 4 yrs. old. i am disgusted by the reactions of these so called fans of star wars and their reactions to the possible castings of the roles in episode 2. get over it and just trust george and his staff's decisions. they have worked hard to get to this point so just shut up and wait and see if the right decision was made. he is the creator of star wars he can do whatever he wants so shut up and just enjoy the myth and fun of star wars.
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If you don't like the movie, by all means... shout it to the heavans. I am glad you realise that it won't matter. If TPM had actually given you the runs, then I would go to the food and beverege comission so they might investiagte Lucas' so called "healthy" film material. But the point is you are comparing apples to oranges. A film is a creative work, not fast food. There is no guarantee of satisfaction. If you didn't like the film, then walk out during the middle and ask for a refund. (If you wait until Vader breathes, they probably won't be very sympathetic). I have no problem with you being pretensious, and I also have no problem if you were to hate Jar-Jar. But let's be clear. Jar-Jar was a success, and Lucas was expecting the reaction he got. If you really think he wasn't expecting this sort of reaction, then maybe you could explain why they have a section on the Episode I insider's guide that allows users to "Kill Jar-Jar in 6 unique ways"? Does that sound like an idea from someone who expected the masses to Love Jar-Jar? Of course not.
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I am not saying you should blindly accept whatever Lucas gives us. I know I didn't. I love the film because it upholds the incredible tradition of the classic films. After putting this film under a microscope, I feel that Lucas is a storytelling genius. I think your problem with us "Lucas Boot Lickers" (as you so elegantly put it), is that you really feel that there was nothing to like about the film and that those of us who liked it are surely being put under some sort of Lucas mind control. Has it ever occured to you that possibly the reason you see nothing to like about the film is because you just don't get it? I mean it is possible that you are not completely all-knowing right?
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Because I heard the Jar Jar Easter Egg was added AFTER the Jar Jar backlash began, right before the CDROM release -- as a bit of an inside joke. I could be wrong.
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May 08, 2000 6:36:35 PM CDT
Gomer, this is starting to get mean-spirited, and I did not star
by superninja
My problem is not so much with the film, it's with the individuals who refuse to believe that criticsm of the film is valid, and their desire to group all critics into "Lucas haters" and "so-called" fans. There were lots of good things about TPM. If there weren't I wouldn't have seen it four times. I'm not looking for a perfect movie, because rarely is there such a thing. What bothered me more than anything was that UNLIKE in the SW tradition, TPM was a 2 hour CGI fest (just my opinion there) with bad dialogue and childish humor. None of these things (okay, maybe the bad dialogue, but even ANH wasn't that bad) existed in the original trilogy on that scale. We know what Lucas is capable of, and TPM, for me, did not hold up to those standards, which led to disappointment. Not because I hate Lucas (even though I think his attitude sucks), but because I know that it could've been better.
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Since you guys love going on & on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on& on & on about your theories on Jar Jar Binks and others why don't you apply for a degree in "Jar-Jar-Ology" and write your Doctoral Dissertation on it. OOOPS, you already have written it.
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I agree both sides of this debate can be pointed. I am certainly not pulling any punches. And once again, your opinion is your opinion. I am not trying to "invalidate" them. I just really feel that if you gave it more thought, you would be able to see the things I do. The bad dialoge, as you conceeded, is a hallmark of all the SW films. It is more like the kind of stuff you would see in a comic book than a photoply. That is just how it works. Did you really want "better" dialogue? I personally would have been let down. As far as your opinion that it was a crappy CGI fest. You would be surprised how much of the film was produced using traditional methods. They only used CG when they could not pull it off with models or puppets. If you don't like the film, you do not like the film. That is just as valid as any of my opinions. However, I really beleive that you will come around eventually. This is not meant to piss you off. Like I said, I know where you are coming from. I would not want to have been let down, and it took some time for me to realize how great the thing actually is. It is not readily apparent.
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You may laugh at it, but someday there will be college courses on this stuff.
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there cannot be a battle field of sith it is immpossible if u read the friggin book u would know that there can never be more than 2 sith a masterr and an apprentice and this is because siths a so friggin power hungry that when the sith did number in the thousands the jedi didnt have to do much at all because they were so busy fighting each other they all killed eachother except 4 palpatine he was patient and waited over 1000 years and palpatine made the 2 sith rule and i dont think he is going to brake it moron if u r goin to klame to be a SW fan at least know your history
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ok i agree with most of you guys on ryan the child porn star the only sci-fi he has ever done was one eppisode of the outer limits, but colin hanks works on sci-fi every week on the wb and does a pretty good job at it. You can't just righ him off as a daddy wannabe and hayden from higher ground actualy is a pretty good actor and it wouldn't look like sachitory rape with him and portman.
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It doesn't have to be Sith. The Sith are a very specialized kind of dark Jedi, those who are beholden to the teachings of an ancient race of darkside force users. Their numbers are limited, as we already know. But the Sith are not the only dark Jedi. A dark Jedi is any Jedi who steps over the line into the dark side of the force. That is why the Jedi must still worry about students being corrupted, despite the apparent millenium of absence of the Sith.
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...is Joseph Campbell and a book called "The Hero With A Thousand Faces" which no filmmaker should read. Why? Because a couple of really good instrinctive filmmakers ,George Lucas and George Miller, who made some excellent movies, got ahold of Campbell's book and are using it as a text book to do poor imitations of what they used to do naturally and spontaneously. Miller discovered him before Lucas and talked about him in interviews. Miller's result: MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME, the first movie that I can recall where the trailer was a wonderful movie and the movie was a joke. You can see Miller following Campbell: "Oh, here's where the bloke is supposed to experience hardship. Here's where he's supposed to decide to sacrafice himself..." All of that is in a story with mythological elements, but I'm convinced that when you think about it you ruin it. Same thing happened to Lucas and it's getting worse. I remember Campbell being interviewed by Bill Moyers saying something about how in fairy tales the hero meets this annoying little frog character who saves the day, yoda,yoda,yoda, and that's what Jar Jar was. It was forced, awkward, and all the people bitching about the racism were fucking right! Now, that columnist in Cinescape got Lucas right, I believe, when he said that Lucas wasn't racist, he's clueless. The sad thing about Jar Jar is that I believe Lucas really wanted to give us an alien, you know, not a dork in a monkey suit but use the CGI to its' potential. On that level, Lucas was successful. It gets back to the writing. I didn't understand when I first heard he was writing this one. Here's a guy who has admitted that he can't write, that he hates writing, that he's good at coming up with the stories but is more of a visual artist and was always an abstract visual artist at that. I think ANH had good dialogue. It was funny, edgy, 40s banter with 70s cool. Everybody in TPM was so fucking full of themselves that I was glad when Jar Jar stuck his head in those pod beams. That was funny. I suppose there's no point in lamenting how things could have gone, but I would have liked to have seen the Jar Jars, whatever the hell those frog guys were called and don't tell me because I really don't want to know, be the contemporary voice in TPM, the guys rolling their eyes at the Jedi or saying to Anakin, "You going to let them talk to you that way?" or "Let's put a couple of tech manuals in the pod seat so he can see over the dash..." I dunno. It's all Joseph Campbell's fault. If good filmmakers named George didn't read his books, they'd follow their own advice: "Let go. Trust your feelings..." shut off that targeting computer and just do it!
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...I know I could not have made a better movie. I probably could not have come up with a better story...but I know damn well I could have written a better script and so could a lot of you. Why don't I? Maybe I will, Milhous, maybe I will. If George is a-payin', I'm a-writin'.
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There will not be classes or degrees in Jar Jar-Ology. The purpose of specialized degrees are for preparing students for real jobs. I hardly call discussing a fictional character such as Jar jar a real job. That may be what you do for a job, (and who knows how you support yourself, unless you're a mamma's boy/girl still living at home at age 30), but I'd hate to show my face at a reunion: "Hi, what are you doing?" "I write my opinions on why I think jar Jar was such a success on Internet sites made exclusively for people like me." HOLY F-BOMB! I'd hate to live your life.
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Well, there are already numerous classes taught at the College level about the classic trilogy, and I see no reason why the trend will not continue. Of course, talking about SW is not to be confused with a real Job, and if you were curious, I am a video game consultant. I play games for companies and tell them how I feel about them. It's a tough job, but it has honed my ability to nit pick to a fine edge. I am sure you do something else besides hang out at talk back forums belittling people you feel are beneath you, but you never know.
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George Lucas has really done a disservice to all the fans who grew up with his wonderful trilogy in the 70s and 80s, myself included. The stuff he is turning out now is pure schlock.
Anyone who says that Episode I was a good movie is in a state of denial. It sucked!! The story was mind-numbingly bad, it pandered to small children and was all about merchandising.
Lucas has apparently believed all the hype about what an alleged genius he is. In reality, the guy can't write to save his life. The reason Empire was the best installment was because he didn't write it! Episode I had no magic to it, that Jar Jar character was unbearable, and the villains were not menacing at all. Darth Maul got about 10 minutes of screen time, and we didn't learn anything about him or his motivations. The talents of Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson and Terence Stamp were wasted on this bomb.
You would think the lukewarm reception to Episode I would be a wake-up call to Lucas. But no, he's keeping that lame Jar Jar character and casting wooden, Back Street Boy types that can't act. Why doesn't he smarten up and hire a real screenwriter to develop the story? He is so out of touch with what good screenwriting and story development are about. He expects us to be impressed by the fact that the new movie is 100% digital. Who cares if the story sucks?
The Star Wars name used to stand for quality film-making. Now it's just like those dreadful Batman sequels: merchandising campaigns built around a horrible, effects-laden piece of crap.
Did anyone catch Trey Parker and Matt Stone slamming Lucas in the Playboy interview this month? It's about time somebody in show business stood up and exposed that special effects geek as the out of touch egomaniac he is. Way to go, Lucas. You ruined a wonderful, magical part of our adolescence.
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Lucas owes us fans nothing. He made the classic trilogy, and if you loved that, then great. Nothing can take that away from you. I don't care what you thought about Episode I, many loved it, and Lucas has EARNED the right to make these films as he sees fit. I find it disturbing that you would compare TPM to one of the post Batman Returns films. Rgardless of how much majic you found in the film, it is obvious that George has put a lot of thought into how TPM ties in with the classic films. If you don't like the way he is making HIS films, feel free to show him how it is done.
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I can't believe the whinners in this world. To Daffybastard, so you don't like Canadians, eh? I guess you won't be seeing too many movies as many, many talented Canadians have successfully invaded Hollywood and the entertainment industry in general. Suffer, sucker! Squiggy is correct, just enjoy the movies as they are jsut here to entertain. I was there from the beginning and love every minute of it. I have introduced the first triology to my boys and they love it. It is the story that is important, not who is playing who. The actors will do a good enough job to help us along on this journey. I just hope Lucas will make all three triologies before anything happens to him for he is the vision! So, just enjoy them......
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(i think sextilogy is the word)hey lucas gave birth to the SW Universe and it is his right to do what ever he wants to with these movies he wants. Personally i think he is doin a great job and even if i didnt i wouldnt have to watch them leave the poor or i should say filthy rich guy alone if he thinks Christensen would be a good Anakin then im going to heed his expert advise and take his word for it after all who would have thought other than Lucas that the carpenter on the set of the filming of Episode (Harrison Ford for u slow people) 4 would be a great Han Solo.
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I would just like to say a big thank you to Gomer (and others) who have at last injected a bit of common sense into this rancid carcass of a debate. And now my contribution: TPM may be just another dumb blockbuster to those of you who hate it, but it's A LOT less dumb than most of the nonsense produced today. I think it's quite an intelligent story for a mere "kids film".
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A great majority seem to have these overwelming urge to have Lucas refund their $ for the TICKETS(yea, you all complain, saying it's a bad film, but I'm willing to bet you saw it more then ONCE) I'm also sure that Lucas, inside, feels that the script could have been better...hence bring in Jon Hale to work on Ep2. NOW, as for him "raping our childhood", as someone put it...you could not be more wrong. If you would have saw this film in 1977, as apposed to the original...you all would have LOVED IT! This film had so much to live up to. I went to see it with low expections and I was happy with the end result. This film was the set up, the intro to what is to come. What kind of character development would you like in a 2 hour film? The fact of the matter is...we all know where most of these characters end up or become anyway! How much did you really need to know about ObiWan that you already don't know? Sure...I wish that Mace Windu was used a bit more...HELL I wish Maul was used ALOT more...but if you recall, Vader wasn't used to his full extent until ESB....and we all know that that is by far the best SW film. Lucas knows what he needs to do with Ep2 and 3. He knows it must get darker, that it must be more then TPM or ANH was, they were the Saturday Matinee films, ESB was the darker side of the SW Universe...and Lucas already said that EP2 and 3 will get darker and darker and not be for the kids as much as TPM was. He got his kids film out of the way. And I agree that Jar-Jar was NOT as annoying as I expected, so I didn't mind him all that much. I met Ahmed Best at the Celebration and he was a good guy and very funny...getting to shake his hand and say a few words made me not want to kill JarJar so much...LOL. But what it comes down to is this...SW is probably one of the greatest things that ever happened to me and it put me on the path I'm on...it made me become more creative and opened up alot of our imaginations. If you think Lucas raped your childhood...then don't see Ep2 and 3. Stay home...don't buy the toys or cards or books...just don't do it anymore. It won't give you the excuse to verbally bash the people who still love it, Loved TPM(yes, I did, for many, many reasons) and will but the toys and books because it makes this 28 Year Old feel like a kid again! OH...and for those of you who think that I'm pathetic, go ahead. I don't care...and Kudos to ALL of you who are as excited and faithful to Lucas and SW as I am!
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After wading through much immature discussion on the matter. I've come to the conclusion that I don't think many of you understand what Star Wars is about. First, these are family films. Unfortunately family films usually means, geared towards children. A lot has changed for George Lucas since those days back in the 70's when he was filming the original Star Wars. He created some of the best moments in film history with those films. I can't remember how many times in my childhood that I wanted to fly down the Death Star trench, or even better, through the superstructure of the second Death Star. I never felt this in Phantom Menace with one exception, the lightsaber battle. The space battle was thin, and I just couldn't care about Anakin (mostly due to Jake Lloyd, can't stand the kid) but all things aside... if I were still a child would I want to fly through the trade federation destroyer? First responce is no... the battle lacked the flair of the original battles. The battle at Yavin was a very emotional one, as one by one we saw pilots shot down. Some of them we really started to care about. It was intense. That intensity was not present in the battle in TPM. The Gungan battle was a special effects wonder and had some good moments. I feel it was dumbed down a bit by Jar Jar, keeping it from reaching that level which we look back on the battle on Endor. The saber battle lacked the emotional energy of Luke fighting Vader with the Emperor watching. Darth Maul was very much a cookie cutter villian, an all too blatent attempt to recapture a piece of Boba Fett. The battles are what many fans go to see, but that is not all that Star Wars is about. The original trilogy followed the hero cycle rather closely, throwing in some major twists every now and then. There was an air of mystery surrounding it. TPM no longer has this, a lot is explained, but realize this is Lucas' chance to put in everything he wants. THe problem is, it's just too much. TPM was very jumpy in the beginning, slowing down only once they got to Tatooine, as they often do on Tatooine. It was mostly expository (get out the dictionary, I have a feeling most of you will need it) setting up a series of movies and introducing us to the characters. My largests gripes, the focus on Qui-Gon, rather than Obi-Wan. True Qui-Gon was the master, but this was supposed to be about Obi-Wan and Anakin. The focus will be shifted very much to Obi-Wan and Anakin after this. Second, the childish humor, namely fart jokes and Jar Jar Binks. Again this is the family film mentality and what kids like. I just find it annoying and immature. You can make a decent family film without stooping so low for laughs. Was there really anything else? Oh yes, Jake Lloyd, but he is a child actor, and you can't really blame him for being a kid. Though if that kid from the Sixth Sense had been old enough...
Onto the new movies. It has long been my hope that the new trilogy will follow the tragic hero path (a la Hamlet, Othello, that Scottish king... to name a few). It make sense and I do think Lucas knows this. Anakin is very much the tragic hero, he is reclaimed in the end before death, but at that point there is no stopping that. It has worked for the set-up so far. Anakin is a decent person, knows nothing of greed, much like a certain scottish king, this is what TPM was about. It was the up-beat happy chapter, the next two are supposed to be darker, and by nature will be. This is also in keeping with the tragic hero cycle. The pieces are in place and I for one am looking forward to it. Now as for these actors, except for Hayden (who I've never heard of) these are RUMORS and official word has not been released though we maybe seeing it in the next few days. Next grow up about it. You are all so quick to criticize and judge. Well Judge Not, lest ye be judged. I have seen Ryan Phillippe in Cruel Intentions, and it was not bad work (though maybe I was staring at Reese Witherspoon). I think all you "fanboys" should be happy that Leo Di is in no way shape or form involved in the production. WE knew it would be young actors. Just tell me, oh all knowing seers of the Star Wars Universe, just who should be playing these people? As for young Mr. Hanks, I doubt that he is playing Kister. Seems like it would be sloppy on the part of George Lucas, and I don't think he wants to be sloppy with his movies. That's all from me. -
I really meant to get back to you before, but there were pressing matters that had to be ironed out first, so this casting announcement could go smoothly. Thanks for your input regarding the "integrity" of TPM. You asked: "Your last 2 Star Wars films sucked and it's about time you explained yourself to me why they did." Well the reason I made the last two films the way I did, is because TPM and ROTJ was intended to have a very different tone that the middle 4 films will. This is done to contrast the darker times of the Empire's reign from "the more civilized age" of the Republic. If your concern is only about the Ewoks, and Jar-Jar specifically, do not fear, things will become much darker in the next two films. You also asked: "Jar Jar was a whining douchebag bitch and the Ewoks were obvious attempts to put a cute character on a lunchbox. Answer my challenge Mr. Money, C'mon!"... Well, all of the things in my films were intended to be slapped onto lunchboxes at some point. I try to put as much cool stuff into these films as I can, and sure, some things are cuter than others, but they were meant to appeal to a younger audience. If it wasn't Ewoks, it would have been Wookies. They may be a little harder to fit on the lunchboxes, but we would have found a way. You need to realize that the revenue from ticket sales alone is just not enough to cover the cost of making these films. I have to get money from somehwere, and kids love this stuff. So where is the harm in that? As far as answering to you about why the quality of the film is not where you would have liked it, I am sorry. I am only human, and I do the best I can. Perhaps you could make your own 6 film saga and show me where I am going wrong. Are you up to my challenge? Think you can do it without the merchandising? Show me the way. I would also like to say hello to my kids, I know sometimes they come here even though I disapprove of the vocabulary that is usually displayed here. I would like to thank the people who enjoyed TPM, and I hope you will like the next two. May the force be with you always.. George.
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This post from "G. Lucas" in a weird way makes alot of sense...in terms of what it says about TPM and ROTJ being "happy bookends" (my term for what he said in a nutshell) and the 4 films in the middle are what the meat is...I also know that YES, if it wasn't Ewoks...it would have been Wookies, and they would have brought the cuteness factor into the Wookies...I just like the way it was put..and I also believe JarJar will have a better role then he did in TPM::dodges tomato:: I SAW THAT!
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A film series is about progression. Sure the space battle in TPM was clearly no match for EP IV, but think about when we'll be able to watch these films in sequence...do we really need the greatest battle ever filmed to be in the first movie? Wouldn't that serve a better purpose as a finale? The final battle starts out with three strands, and then four - four separate things going on at once. Lucas skilfully keeps track of all them...but the focus overlall story-wise is on the lightsabre fight. Also to someone's comment that TPM "was supposed to be about Obi-Wan". I think lucas would disagree with you there. Clearly he'll have a bigger role to play in EpII. This is the way Lucas has set the story up. Obi-Wan was very much in Qui-Gon's shadow in TPM, until he had to save himself and honour a vow.
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NuteG, just wanted to clear a few things up. First, I only met that it was my understanding that the first film was about Obi-Wan. In the sense you are saying than yes, yes the battles won't nearly have the intensity of the future battles to come. In this sense I had no problems with the Gubgan or lightsaber battle. But I was expecting more out of the space battle. Then again there was so much else going on, he couldn't tell it like he told the battle over the Death Star. There is but one problem with your theory, this battle is bigger than the one at Yavin, I'd also say bigger than the one at Hoth, but we got a big one at the end with Luke and Vader, which deserved it's own attention. Still the biggest battles are saved for the end, but I wouldn't be surprised if some of the inevitable Obi-Wan/Anakin battles don't come really close. There are plenty ahead as the Clone Wars loom on the horizon.
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I am always trying to get him to answer my questions, and I am polite and respectful... Well, I guess there is really nothing he could tell me that I haven't already figured out, so I can see why he would want to help bring the morons up to speed. That Dennis Leary bit was incredible. Was it really from Leary originally? I had not heard that one. The films will build up to the classic trilogy. That is why some were let down. They wanted sequels, not prequels. These films are inteneded to be seen in numerical order. There should be a killer climax in episode II however, and I would bet that II will not be slacking much either. But TPM needs to allow room for the next two to build up to that.
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big deal! hopefully he wont be a huge part.hell if sam jackson only gets a few minutes ryan may only get one second!i am sure anything ryan will say is better than loydd"i am a person!and my name is anakin!" i almost puked at that crappy acting!!its not like ryan is the main star.ryan quote in e2 with a snob gay voice:"queen amidala will me my finest victory....i will be a lengend in the whole galaxy."aicn whining star wars cenral,out....
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ok boys and girls, reality check time.... star wars, a good movie, but a fuckin MOVIE none the less. it doens have any great secrets to changing the world. it hasn't made any one a better person or saved a life. all it's done is entertain us. period the fucking end. as for all this bitching and crying over the cast of episode 2, who among you works in the movie industry?anyone? no i didn't think so. so here's what you you guys need to do:
1. shut off the fucking vcr..i'm surprised the damn tapes haven't corroded by now.
2. try actual socail interaction away from conventins and chat rooms.
3. read a book not based on a movie involving jedi,starships, driods and alien races. you might be surprised there' some interesting shit out there.
4.do something worthwile, be a mentor to a kid...on second thought don't. get involved in something not starwars or sci fi related.
now don't get me wrong, i like star wars and sci fi. but i don't let dominate my life like you guys apear to have done. it's not gonna save your sooul, teach your kids how to survive in the world or pay the bills. -
Thanks for bringing some reality to this nerd convention. You know, when I was a kid, Star Wars was a cool thing to be into. I had the action figures and the ships, but I was 10 years old. Today, I won't tell people that I am a Star Wars fan, because I don't want them to might think I'm one of those losers who waits in line for 2 days at the movie theater, still collect the action figures, and go to those sad conventions (I don't do any of those things). I did love the trilogy, and am just concerned that Lucas is selling out its legacy. In reference to something Future Lucas wrote earlier: yes, you are pathetic. If Lucas smeared his feces on some celluloid, you would try to convince everyone that it was a quality film. The guy is not King Midas. He can make crap just like any other director. The fact of the matter is that he had almost 20 years to come up with a new story and laid a major bomb on his adoring fans. Some genius.
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