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FRINGE 5.1 FAQ

What’s It Called?
“Transilence Thought Unifier Model-11.”

Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to showrunner J.H. Wyman.

What says Fox?
“The fifth and final season picks up from the ominous events of last season's ‘Letters of Transit’ episode, in which the year is 2036 and the overpowering Observers rule. The Fringe team - preserved in amber for 20 years - is now a rebel resistance team fighting for freedom. Peter, reunited with his now adult daughter, Etta, sets out to find out what happened to his wife and Etta's mom - Olivia - as they start their mission to save the world from the Observers.

What’s that title mean?
It refers to a device that could be key to the Observers’ defeat.

Is Desmond hanging about?
Henry Ian Cusack’s Simon Foster? I can only say that we meet another of Emma’s friends with a Scottish accent.

Does Olivia sit out the season premiere the way Peter did last season? That would be telling.

Are we done with Earth 2?
There’s the legacy of the amber, of course, but I don’t recall any mention of Walternate, Fauxlivia or any of our other friends from “over there.” “Letters of Transit,” it’s now clear, was what they call a backdoor pilot, and “Fringe” is now a very different series.

Are there flashbacks to the present?
Not our present exactly. Marrieds Peter and Olivia and daughter Etta are glimpsed prior to their amberization a few years hence.

What else is Fox not telling us?
Phillip Broyles and Nina Sharp are nowhere to be found this week. The blue “Community Joy Individuality Free Will” credits are back from “Letters of Transit.” For some reason this hour has two directors: Jeannot Szwarc (“Jaws 2,” “Supergirl”) and Miguel Sapochnik (“Repo Men”).

The big news?
William Bell (and Bell’s hand) are referenced this week, so I’m guessing we’ll be seeing (most of) Leonard Nimoy again before the series’ Feb. 1 finale.

What’s good?
The Observers. All the cool futuristic touches. What Central Park will come to mean for the human race. The Carbonite coffee table and its owner. Astrid’s defense of Naugahyde. The surprise appearances by Clint Eastwood and James Garner.

What’s not so good?
After tonight, only 12 of these left. Also, does Etta Bishop’s loyalty lie The Observers?

How does it end, spoiler boy?
What’s left of Walter notices a flower.

9 p.m. Friday.  Fox.

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  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    Hope the series ends on a high!

    by KnightEternal

    One can only hope

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Sad to see Earth 2 go but I love this show!

    by Wcwlkr

    I loved last season, and the inclusion of Earth 2 Fringe events were great. I'm so sad this show is ending!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Very different, but still good ... Thats what i like to hear....

    by brechtsky

    When you first said very different show, and then mentioned two directors, i got worried there may be a bit of an issue... But glad to see the only NOT good was that theres so few left!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    The opening credits for Letters of Transit

    by V'Shael

    were one of the coolest things iI saw on TV in the last year. Glad to hear they are back.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    What about Earth's three through seventeen?

    by JuicyFruit

    WAY too many dimensions in last years story line. Shit was ridiculous.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to watch Walter with his brain intact.

    by Smerdyakov

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Walter's rehab

    by gboybama

    Once again I ask, did John Noble get out of rehab or whatever so the show could finish properly?

  • And at this point, it seems the show doesn't really care. Peter has a baby with Fauxlivia in one of the universes. . . seems kind of important. In any case, I'm glad to have the show back. I had problems with last season, but I loved "Letters of Transit." I hope they can do a good job of tying it together with the rest of the series.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Actually...

    by Jo Grant

    The baby was gone after the universes rebooted.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Yawn!

    by RetroActive

    This show had me hooked the first two seasons, then they lost their way. They've tried too hard to add so many layers and when they didn't tie together, they just stopped trying and "reinvented" the story. They've bailed on a number of different storylines and timeline wrap ups. It's just been a mess. One of the best parts of the story has always been the relationship between Walter and Peter...and they've moved away from that. Oh well...I might skip this round. The Observers bore me.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    kudos to FOX for giving Fringe 5 seasons!

    by Titus05

    they could have cancelled the show at any time after Season 2 but stuck with it through low ratings and the Friday death slot...the show now gets to go out on its own terms the overrated but still better then most Homeland also returns this Sunday!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    paburrows_rises -tonight's the BIG night!!!!!!! at last!!!!!

    by Michael Lunney

  • Please keep it up fopr the rest of the 12 remaining episodes, its so nice to be able to come in here without the political back and forth. Thanks again Herc!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo - YES IT IS!!!!!!!!

    by Paul

    Man I'm sooooo excited, this is going to be so awesome!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    so glad fringe is back tv has been crap for months

    by monster man

    Fringe is quality and im so glad they have been given time to finish the series properly , never thought id say this but thankyou fox xxxx

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I'll be watching

    by HarrysNemesis

    But I'm not crazy about this future dystopia story line... even though I generally love future dystopia storylines :) Hopefully it'll be really well written since they know it's the end and make all those still watching happy

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Fringe Crisis on Infinite Earths

    by Matthew

    6 seasons and a movie! I say a fringe movie would be cool, could appeal to people who didn't watch the show. What else is Pacey going to do? John Noble as Walter is awesome, will miss his acting after this season, hope he gets more work. Maybe he can show up on Doctor Who, or be a biker on Sons or I don't know a marvel movie

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    can't wait for tonight

    by Jared Parker

    this is the best show on network TV

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    I fancy myself a backdoor pilot

    by honestune

    of sorts.

  • Young Justice is just as good, but it's animated. And there are a few other swhows I favor as well. Do you watch it? If not you should!!!!!! New episode on tomorrow morning, after months of waitiing. But yeah Fringe is superior TV storytelling, almost in its own category of greatness!!!! And to think I almost gave up on it only a few episodes in... but then.........things started getting VERY interesting!!!!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    I'm so lost.

    by brad negrotto

    Are we ever getting back to the original characters? Didn't we leave them behind a few seasons ago when Peter was brought back?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    OK, mcgoo

    by Jared Parker

    and thanks i'll program my DVR for YOUNG JUSTICE right now. i watched the entire JUSTICE LEAGUE series from CARTOON NETWORK. loved that show. does tim daly still voice superman in this one?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST

    palefire

    by Paul

    It is the original characters, only they all lived their lives as if Peter never excisited,but all of them have kind of reverted back to their original selfs once they were around Peter long enough. But I see what your saying, Olivia and Peter are the only ones who remember their previous lives. Not sure if they are going to adress that or just keep going.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    I only watch one show - Fringe. Ok, two - SVU.

    by cozy

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Palefire

    by theGoldbergV

    Yeah as Pa has pointed out, only Peter and Olivia are the same. Walter realises he has a connection with Peter but he doesn't remember seasons 1-3. Neither does Astrid or Broyles or Nina or Charlie (if he ever appears again that is). And yeah, it is a problem. The 2nd half of season 3 really dug a hole the series has struggled to crawl out of. I really hope season 5 manages it, it's just a shame that many of the characters have got left behind in order to do so. What tomandshell said above about windows and houses is bang on the money

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    thegoldbergv - the entire series makes sense to me

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I agree with Mcgootoo

    by Paul

  • it is actually one very long story and season 2 takes place 5 years after season one- with a new set of YJ members!! It is compelling, very well drawn and animated, dramatic, and emotionally involving, with, of course, excellent action scenes as well - it starts out a little slow and just builds and builds - it sneaks up on you just how great it is! If you watched Justice League- this is a VERY worthy successor. I am pretty sure that Daly does not do Superman, but he isn't a major character anyway. Damn, I just looked itt up on IMDB and it gets an 8.8!!!!! It's a show about the sidekicks becoming a team, Kid Flash, Robin, etc.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    jp1 - check it out- YJ also won an Emmy!

    by Michael Lunney

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Justice_(TV_series)

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Season 1 of Young Justice is on DVD

    by Paul

    well 2 DVDs that is, they released the first half in 4 episode discs at first, these 3 have been compiled into a set a month or two ago and then they finished off the season with a two disc set. Both of these are $15 each and can be found at Target or Wal-Mart. Theres a comic series which is good also, its side missions that take place between episodes and are written by the creators of the show.

  • Sean Astin (Samwise Gamgee) plays Raphel

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Young Justice, Young Justice: Invasion

    by GeptaOO1

    Amazing Cartoon, comes back tomorrow. I can't wait. Do you guys watch Green Lantern as well? Clone Wars is starting back up tomorrow as well. I heard rumors that they are going to reboot Teen Titans..... I don't know what I think about that....

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST

    I, too, agree with mcgootoo and you should too.

    by mongo126

    Kudos to the writing team for what they've done over the length of the series. ....and, can't believe I'm going to say this about a network that has fucked up so many other times, but kudos to Fox for giving us fans a proper sendoff. I have full faith that this season will deliver and hope that it all ties together. t-minus 68 minutes.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Ninja Turtles

    by GeptaOO1

    I saw a preview for it.... and I did not like what I saw.... Also I also heard something about the voice actor that voiced Raphael in the original cartoon, is back, but as Donatello.... kinda weird... The pilot ep of the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is on in 6 minutes... I'll let you know what I think

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I finally saw season 4 last week. WOW that was strong

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm really blown away how they pulled it all together in the end didn't expect David Robert Jones to ever come back or be relevant so that was a great surprise. Very excited for the final season

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    my one major disappointment

    by GeptaOO1

    for season 4, was that Charlie didn't return :(

  • and then as soon as Olivia comes back she just vanishes without a trace

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    mavalcar

    by Paul

    They didn't reboot it, the DC Nation block has shorts inbetween episodes and some of them are simplified Teen Titans shorts, same characters, same designs.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    @paburrows_rises

    by GeptaOO1

    I know about the shorts, but there is actually a new 30 minute cartoon series in the works http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teen_Titans_Go!_(TV_series)

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    So getting back on subject

    by Paul

    Being the worst in this talkback on getting of the subject, should be have rules about keeping on topic like with the Dr Who Talkbacks, or more loose?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    test

    by Chris Moody

  • PVR is all set though

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    So what does everyone think will happen this season?

    by Paul

    Looks like with the device that they are starting to assemble is a little like the machiene assembling in season 3. What does you all think that it will do to The Observers? I read that Transilence Thought Unifier Model-11 is the name of the device, so from that it sounds like it has something to do with unifying thought or something. Wonder if its like Cerebro from X-Men where it tracks Observers? Or maybe it makes it so that they can't read your mind? I wonder if theres a connection to the season 3 machiene? On another note how big and out there will the finale be? Will Olivia somehow become Godlike? or will there be a small quant ending where they just keep solving crimes? Could be where it all starts over again kind of like that Stephen King book?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    New Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

    by GeptaOO1

    I actually liked it.... it was far far better than I thought... ****SPOILERS***** the only thing that was bugging me was Splinters origins..... as in he's a human that mutated into a rat.... it's been a while since i've read the original black and white comic books, so I don't remember if that's how it was originally.... but all these years from the Archie comic book turtles, and the cartoon might have twisted my memory of his origin.... anyway

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    The (((CC))) in the YouTube video is like Bad Lip Reading

    by tangcameo

    Voice to text I'm guessing? Works as well as my near-deaf grandfather.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Aw, no. No more addled Walter!

    by Beebop

    Disappointed that we have the addled, forgetful Walter back again after his memories have been "destroyed." Hopefully the "shift in perspective" brought on by music (within a taxi that somehow still has electricity flowing despite being junked for decades and without the motor running) gets those memories back. I liked the ruthless genius Walter.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    That was erm disappointing...

    by dj_bollocks

    Looks like their making this shit up as they go along...

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    I liked the episode. It literally picks right up where 4x19 left off.

    by zillabeast

    It's a continuation, with some stuff revealed and more stuff on the horizon. I appreciate the episode for what it was, and it was effective.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    I think they tried to do too much tonight...

    by Beebop

    With Olivia getting found, waking up, Walter's capture, Walter's rescue....it was cramped. And even for Fringe and sci-fi shows in general, it was hard to suspend disbelief. WAY too easy for them to get into the prison with Walter (and why didn't the Observers sense them or their thoughts?) Also, again, the taxi with the working CD player.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Ann Romney just said she's afraid for Mitt's "mental well being"

    by David Duchovny

    I feel like I'm in an alternate universe watching this campaign. Who are these people?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    I really liked the premiere

    by AshokForgiven

    It covered quite a bit of ground but imho it didnt feel rushed like Brave New World.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    p-rr-d? It wasn't a terrorist attack...it was spontaneous!!!!

    by Mistahtibbs

    I feel like I'M in an alternate universe watching your campaign and how your media is not-following (read: "LOOK OVER THERE! Romney said something! Look at THAT INSTEAD!!! LOOK NOW!!! SERIOUSLY!!! ROMNEY'S WORDS ARE WHAT'S IMPORTANT) what, rightfully so, would, under a Republican presidency, be a massive...fuck that, earth-shattering failure...but, no...Libya...nothing there. Fucking media. Anyway...back to the show. LOVE FRINGE! Looking forward to finishing this night shift then rocking the PVR when I'm home. How does Noble not win an award for his performance? And,yeah, I know that sentence is a little cumbersome...SO? heh watching from the brim of America's Hat© mt

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Observer

    by severianx1

    As I was watching this episode, I couldn't help thinking that the Observer that was torturing Walter looked an awful lot like Robert Patrick. I know I'm probably wrong, what with him being busy with other stuff and all, but still the resemblance kept nagging at me.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    mistahtibbs

    by David Duchovny

    Obama called it an act of terror the day after it happened. Stop lying. That's what the media should be reporting on. How much you guys fucking lie about everything.

  • I really liked the premiere.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    WTF

    by severianx1

    Ann Romney, Mitt Romney, blah blah blah. WTF does any of that have to do with Fringe? Take your fucking political discussions where they belong, which is not here.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    MAN THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!!!!

    by Paul

    Just the right amount of story, so fast paced, but some nice personal moments between Etta and Olivia and Olivia and Peter. Looks like Peter kind of shut down and only wanted to search for Etta when she disappeared. It was awesome that they used Markam again and the payoff of his crush on Olivia that he had both times that she and Peter visited his bookstore. Man that was sad watching the Lead Observer torturing Walter, so I'm curious if the music at the end was healing Walter's mind or if it was just giving him hope. Looks like the lead Observer knows that both Etta is working with the resistance and that she's the little girl thats part of the plan.

  • Herc specially made this Talkback so that we wouldn't have to wade through the political talk and have a discussion just on Fringe. Feel free to stay and talk about Fringe, but take the political talk elsewhere.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    My one hope for this season

    by mongo126

    ...is that they tie the whole series together. That the war discussed in seasons 1-3 was really with the observers and that The Machine was actually built to defeat them. The final episodes will be the implementation of the machines and Fringe team taking it back into time.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST

    mongo126

    by Paul

    Yeah I have a feel thats where they are taking all of this.

  • ...get used to his bitching and moaning ad nauseum throughout Fringes last episodes. hes a sad sight to read. basically he needs characters to directly state A means B thats why C happened because he sure as hell cant put it together. he really is L O S T when it comes to mythology shows. ugh...

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 2:35 a.m. CST

    paburrows

    by mongo126

    I can only hope. How awesome would it be for Fringe to tie itself together as one huge story arc? I rewatched it over the summer and if they do go this route it ties in in multiple spots. The ZFT story works with Observers instead of the alt-world. It would make sense with Peter as the key to the Machine with Walter building it. I could go on, but, as I've said before, if they pull this off.......huzzah! I do trust Wyman & Co., so we'll see where it goes. Should be a fun trip based on what we saw tonight.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Jay explain to me how ANYTHING I wrote was me "not getting it"

    by theGoldbergV

    The fact that many of the characters are different people to who they were in the first 60 odd episodes isn't something I "don't get" it's an accurate description of the plot. When Fringe is on form its still great and I've said that multiple times. But understanding never was your strong suit was it Broheim? Go back to defending neo-Con fucktards ad infinitum if actual conversation is too tough for ya. You can both like something and criticise it you know...

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    RIP Michael O'Hare

    by KazamaSmokers

    Heart attack

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    the idea of tying everything together...

    by Rebel Scumb

    While I'm fine if they do tie the machine and the observer war together this season I don't see it as necessary I see this season as the 'scouring of the shire' of Fringe, I thought season 4 effectively wrapped up and paid off everything that was set up throughout the series, (well except the fact that peter owed money to some gangster back in the early seasons when they didn't have enough interesting plots in motion, but really who cares about that) The idea of the observers taking over the world was only introduced at the end of season 4, and is the only thing that was left open ended, so as far as I'm concerned just following up on that is the only thing season 5 needs to do. To me, ZFT, DRJ, alt universe, monster mutations, cortexifam, the machine, all that stuff is more than adequately paid off at this point. If I was going to compare it to LOST, I would say it would be like if season 5 of Lost had resolved all the stories and mysteries from all 5 seasons, and season 6 was ONLY the sideways universe stuff. It's an epilogue, or that's how I'm choosing to look at it, and off to a very good start in my books. But even if the next 12 episodes are absolute stinkers, which seems unlikely, I don't think they will have any effect on my enjoyment of the show as a whole, because the show could easily just end with the season 4 finale and feel complete and very satisfying.

  • He played Billy K, the Han Solo/Sawyer esque night club owner

  • Perfectly orchestrated season opener!!!!! Speaking of the music at the end, playing in a car with no power...... First, my jaw dropped when I recognized the Yaz song they were playing- I had Yaz on cassette and use to listen to their 2 albums in my car.... Anyway , I think the song wasn't playing on a CD, the song was in Walter's head.....just like when the music was being heard in Walter's head during the interrogation. At first I thought it was weird that music could play in a broken down car, but that is too big a mistake to be the story's intent. There was a shot where the camera caught Walter in the car from a bit of a distance, a midshot, that emphasized the decaying car and the decaying landscape the car was set in, with the music playing. Then, from inside the car Walter spots the flower, a dandelion, just llike when the little girl was blowing on the dandelion in the flashback....and we see the anguish on his face, in close-up It was Walter trying to cope with his broken mind, scrambled memories and implants amidst the horrendous situation in this future world. He conjured up a song from the past in an attempt to mentally escape to a better time and place with that music, or, perhaps, hearing music is the only part of his brain that still works properly. He was thinking of the little girl along with the song: ONLY YOU Looking from a window above, it's like a story of love Can you hear me CAME BACK ONLY YESTERDAY I'M MOVING FURTHER AWAY WANT YOU NEAR ME All I needed was the love you gave All I needed for another day AND ALL I EVER KNEW ONLY YOU SOMETIMES WHEN I THINK OF HER NAME WHEN IT'S ONLY A GAME And I need you LISTEN TO THE WORDS THAT YOU SAY IT'S GETTING HARDER TO STAY WHEN I SEE YOU THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME AND I WONDER WHAT'S MINE CAN'T TAKE NO MORE Wonder if you'll understand it's just the touch of your hand BEHIND A CLOSED DOOR ______________________________________ Yes? No? Maybe?

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Makes sense

    by Extr3m1st

    Loved the episode and yes that music must have been in his head.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Shame

    by Extr3m1st

    That a political thread on this entertainment site would be 100 times more busy than the last season premiere of this great show. I have little doubt this will be the last Fringe in its own talkback what with this tepid amount of posts (half of which are off topic).

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    extr3m1st - yup

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I am still trying to figure out why the Observers turned bad?

    by ShadowVision

    The early part of the series they merely observed with restrictions on intervening. This season, they take over and control the planet. These actions actions are out of character given that they believe in maintaining the time streams as well as that their conquest seems for personal gain as opposed to advancing humanity.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    shadowvision- we shall see why, hopefully...

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo brilliant deduction thx

    by Richard L. Rhodes

  • The 12 man observer science team with the months of the year code names, August, September etc, were basically sent on their own to do research and recon, perhaps not even fully aware of the big invasion plan. the observers who were spotted throughout history were always these 12 men. The invasion force however represents there entire population evacuating the future due to the earth no longer being able to sustain life, their motives are different a good parallel would be in AVATAR sigorney weavers expedition and research team were just there to meet, observe and educate the Navi, but eventually the corporate mercinaries come in to drive out the Navi. To the average Navi it's probably all 'one human is the same as the next' but Sigorney weaver is vastly different from that evil military guy or the corporate asshole guy. I may be completely wrong, but that's what I'm running with for now

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    thelostbat - thanks - it seems to make sense, anyway...

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Thanks rebel scumb.

    by ShadowVision

    Your theory seems probable, although you would think that 12 man team would be aware of the invasion plan from the beginning since time is not linear for them. Also, wondering about the sustaining life part given that they are pumping carbon monoxide into the air in order to breath better. I guess we will need to wait and see if we get more explanations about their motives.

  • But then again I'm probably the only one who would have been perfectly fine with the writers never offering any answers, explanation or payoff to the Observers at all. Sometimes I think these things work best if audience is only given the tip of the iceberg to some of the bigger mysteries and it is left unexplained for people to draw their own conclusions Having said that, I'm happy with the answers they've given so far.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by Paul

    Yeah Theres Peter running from the Gangster and his debt to Nina, but as you said its not as important as the stuff they paid off. I remember a DVD commentary that talked about how Olivia seeing her dead fiance storyline and how they ended that one since it wasn't working well so I'm guessing they did the same with the gangster except didn't have time to wrap it up like with Peters storyline. It would have been cool to have seen one flashback though of his conman days.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    shadowvision

    by Paul

    Actually they didn't just turn bad, I did a rewatch over the summer and saw a scene where some guy gives I believe Peter and Olivia and strong warning about how evil the Observers were, then there were a few other moments at other times where it was hinted at that they were worse then we had seen.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    ok

    by frank

    1. Etta was playing with dandelions. Walter saw a sunflower(?); not a dandelion. 2. When Walter is being interrogated, he is imagining music because "Music helps you shift perspective... to see things differently if you need to." The Observer responds with, "See things. Like hope.", and later says, "There is no hope for you. Nothing grows from scorched earth." ....While sitting in the destroyed car in the city of ruins, Walter sees the flower thats 'grows on scorched earth' while the music plays. Walter was simply seeking hope and the ability to "see things differently" by listening to the music. The fact that the cd player/car had power was simply a small oversight, imo. Even if it was an oversight, i don't mind all that much. That last scene was nice. 3. I forgot what else i was thinking. lol.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST

    goldberg- i already HAVE, brotha!

    by jay2517

    the sheer fact that u didnt get it then....why would u get it now? case in point..... *The fact that many of the characters are different people to who they were in the first 60 odd episodes isn't something I "don't get" it's an accurate description of the plot.*--- ......BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! great example of ur rigid *not getting it*. oh, that was a gut buster! thanks, broheim!

  • but that makes sense, when Walter was being interogated we could actually hear the music he was thinking, so yeah that was him thinking the music and looking at the flower and we could hear it like in the interogation scene.

  • And that flower may have been part of his imagination as well. Probably not, though. or considering the scene right before the last scene had Walter waking up from bed, the last sequence may also have been a dream - IT FELT VERY DREAMLIKE In any case - it was a reflection of the interrogation music scene and the dandelion flashback scene from earlier on. It was a scene of Walter feeling hope, in a hopless situation, when he was told *There is no hope for you* He's mentally fighting back and trying to center himself - ONE FANTASTIC, ARTISTICALLY EXPRESSED SCENE OF GENIUS STORYTELLING. This is at a level above most TV fare, friends....

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    ox

    by Michael Lunney

  • I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST

    paburrows_rises -Have you seen Young Justice or GL yet?

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Mcgootoo - saw Young Justice and it was awesome!

    by Paul

    Great character moments with the supposed mourning of Artimis and with the clone storyline with him going after Lex Luthor and accepting the mechanical arm which looks like him going to the darkside.

  • So just how literal is that, does she have powers like her Mom and some sort of connection to some sort of device like her parents did? Or is she important in more of a symbolic way?

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Also the park scene was 3 years after the season 4 finale

    by Paul

    So why has Olivia not developed her powers more? Near the end of the season she started developing them, but then got a restart on that, but you would think that she would still have them inside of her dormant? Maybe they went away permanantly?

  • Pretty much all Olivia, except the eyes which are like Peter. casting of kids/parents is often not done very well in shows and movies but they really nailed it this time

  • they found living in the sewers, but only revealed it was an observer at the end, that was pretty cool.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Yeah that was season 1 rebel scumb

    by Paul

    It would be awesome if they paid that off by having him show up again as an adult working with the Observers, Olivia runs into him during a get away and he helps her get away and starts being a spy for the resistance.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Jay - Nina, Broyles and Astrid are not the same people

    by theGoldbergV

    They have different memories , have led different lives. They are different people. I'm not misunderstanding that at all. Now Fringe moves on and there are still good episodes but it doesn't change the fact that most of the secondary cast had their memories effectively erased at the end if season 3. I "get" that this is the story they are going with and in a way it does show that they are the same people just under different circumstances, but it still makes everything that happened to them up til that point seem less important. I'm sure I'm not the only fan who feels this way. But yeah, just say I'm a whiner because I don't think the same as you broheim. I forgot that anyone who criticises a show just doesn't understand it properly

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST

    I wish the X-files had been more willing to change things up

    by FrodoFraggins

    Fringe has really changed the focus of the show a lot since the first season. The X-Files was great but they did the same thing year after year without any real changes other than to the cast. They should have just went ahead with the alien invasion or something major to change it up.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    @paburrows_rises

    by ShadowVision

    Thanks for the info. I am going to stop thinking about this more because I find myself falling into Prometheus territory where the more you think about it the more you start having more questions and seeing a few plot-holes.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    OH! my bad, goldberg, really :(

    by jay2517

    i thought u were referring to the old L O S T tb's we used to have, since u used broheim lol. never have followed Fringe. my mistake. i......i....stand corrected, sir!

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    So why can't they just get Desmond out of amber?

    by E. D.

    He pushed Peter out right, leaving himself in his place since the device was broken at the time. Well, they just got Olivia out with a device this EP, and since Walter and Henrietta know fist-hand how smart and useful his knowledge is (he single-handedly restored Walter's brain right?) ... why the HELL isn't freeing him a priority? (real life dramaaside, such as if Henry Ian Cusick is busy on other projects, or not contracted, etc) I mean, what is the in-story reason why they didn't do that in 5.1?

  • EVen if he is still in amber they've likely cut him out and have him locked away somewhere

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Thats exactly it.

    by Paul

    I hope though that they do work him into the story.

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    My worries are no more

    by mongo126

    Man, what an episode. Another "why the hell has John Noble never gotten even an Emmy nomination" performance. The whole interaction during Walter's "interrogation". I was happy that all wasn't happy happy joy joy in Olivia and Peter in the beginning. Backstory episode upcoming? That closing scene with Walter playing music in his head (reorganizing his brain maybe). I'm sold. Bring it on.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    mongo126

    by Paul

    Yeah the creators have said that were going to get backstory mixed into the episodes or something like that. And yes it is criminal that John Noble hasn't recieved an Emmy yet.

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Wow what an episode

    by theGoldbergV

    Loved that. Scene with Walter getting interrogated was awesome and nice use of music at the end. Off to a good start and nice seeing Markum the creepy bookseller too. I wonder if we'll get cameos like that sprinkled through the final season like how they did on The Wire. Plus those opening credits are awesome

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    didn't see that coming

    by oisin5199

    using a Yaz song in a crucial emotional scene. Hello, 80s!

  • Oct. 1, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The Flower

    by prime666

    The Observer told Walter that nothing grows on scorched earth in regards to his mind being wiped. Walter noticed said flower growing in scorced earth

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