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A better-than-most CBS procedural inspired by Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes and Dr. John Watson characters, CBS’ “Elementary” stars Jonny Lee Miller (“Trainspotting,” “Eli Stone”) as Holmes and Lucy Liu (“Kill Bill,” “Southland”) as sidekick Dr. Joan Watson. In this CBS version, both characters are recovering substance abusers and based in New York.

“Elementary,” from American writer-producer Robert Doherty (“Star Trek: Voyager,” “Dark Angel,” “Medium”), is not to be confused with the excellent series of BBC/PBS telefilms that star Benedict Cumberbatch, but it’s still a lot better than expected.

The Starbucking (or Asian-Americanizing) of the Watson character isn’t more shocking than Holmes consulting with the NYPD in the year of Our Lord 2012. What struck me harder is that Lui is interested in working full-time in TV again. If she’s willing to tube it, why didn’t she and Drew Barrymore just reunite for last year’s “Charlie’s Angels” series -- maybe with Jamie Pressly as a Cameron Diaz surrogate?

Watson is an type-defying role for Liu; Joan Watson – hired to get Holmes through his newfound sobriety – is a quiet, reactive force, nothing at all like the fierce man-eaters the actress brought life to in “Ally McBeal,” “Charlie’s Angels” and “Kill Bill.” She projects here a lovely vulnerability I recall her demonstrated before only once, in McBeal episode that showed us a different side of snarling Boston attorney Ling Woo. She remains also, for the record, mesmerizingly beautiful. Though producers insist otherwise, it seems inevitable that Holmes and Watson will journey in this series where other Holmeses and Watsons have not journeyed before. The pair have tremendous chemistry.

(I note than more than one TV critic refers to her as “Jane Watson.” Perhaps in homage to Spider-Man’s girlfriend?)

Miller hangs onto his Brit accent (CBS’ Holmes used to consult for London’s Scotland Yard before he relocated to the states), but his performance strays closer to Robert Downey Jr.’s onscreen mania than to Cumberbatch’s chilly energy.

It should be pointed out that the BBC did not invent the idea of relocating Holmes from his native era (Conan Doyle’s stories were set roughly 1880-1914). Universal’s hugely popular Basil Rathbone series of the 1940s had the Victorian sleuth matching wits with Nazis during World War II. Still, see if you can find an “Elementary” review that does not mention the Cumberbatch franchise:

HitFix says:

... it may be safer for viewers to treat this as an unrelated character who just happens to share a name and some abilities with Doyle's hero. And if you look at "Elementary" that way, it works just fine. Miller and Liu have excellent (platonic) chemistry, and Miller is far more charming and alive than when he was battling an American accent on ABC's "Eli Stone." I'm not a huge fan of procedurals, but I watched a lot of "Criminal Intent" over the years because I enjoyed watching Vincent D'Onofrio work, and I can see myself checking in on "Elementary" from time to time just for the two leads. …

HuffPost TV says:

... To shove this venerable duo into CBS' procedural format, the show's producers have managed the unlikely feat of removing almost everything interesting about them. …

The New York Times says:

… Mr. Miller and Ms. Liu are good in the pilot, and their rapport is reason enough to check out “Elementary” … Mr. Doherty, whose primary credit is a long stint on the voluptuously melodramatic “Medium,” is good on atmosphere and character but not so strong on plot mechanics, and that’s a problem with a Holmes story. Some of Holmes’s deductions in the first murder case seem arbitrary even by TV procedural standards, and regular viewers of crime dramas will have the kind of nagging questions that drive them crazy. (Shouldn’t the coroner have been able to tell whether the deliveryman died yesterday or three days ago?) …

The Los Angeles Times says:

... Although inarguably going for House-lite, Miller is certainly competent and even compelling as this round of newly imagined Sherlock Holmes, but it's Watson who's brand new. Not just because he's a she, but because she seems to be operating, for the first time, in her own parallel narrative. Liu gives her Watson the perfect blend of wariness and admiration — she is clearly brilliant in her own right and while she may be his keeper, she is not his chronicler. And her journey may turn out to be just as interesting as his. …

The Chicago Sun-Times says:

... more entertaining than your typical CBS procedural. …

The San Francisco Chronicle says:

... will probably infuriate Sherlock Holmes purists, but other viewers are likely to find it gripping and well cast …

The Washington Post says:

... exhibits enough stylish wit in its mood and look to quickly distinguish itself from the latest British “Sherlock” series … as Watson, Liu seems to know exactly what’s she’s doing. …

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:

... entertains intermittently, particularly in exchanges between Holmes and Watson, but its draw will be strongest among viewers who can't get enough crime dramas in their TV diet.…

The Denver Post says:

... Miller ("Trainspotting") is riveting as the brilliant oddball, whether putting his nose to work in carpet fibers or deducing outcomes that are evident only to his dazzling brain. …

The Boston Herald says:

… “Elementary” turns the myth into CBS’ answer to “Castle,” with a shade more intelligence.

The Boston Globe says:

... Jonny Lee Miller does a fine job in his iteration. One series being brilliant does not preclude the next from being enjoyable. …

USA Today says:

... appreciate the flair and poignancy Elementary brings to the crowded procedural field, and the energy, wit and sex appeal Miller brings to his role. Original, maybe not. But welcome? You don't have to be Sherlock to know the answer is "yes."

Variety says:

... The main question -- whether this slickly made, shrewdly conceived series can sustain "Person of Interest's" lead-in among CBS viewers -- might best be answered with another: Will many of those previously watching "The Mentalist" in this timeslot even notice the difference? … As for those who would accuse CBS of simply milking the same proven formula over and over, hey, no shit, Sherlock.

The Hollywood Reporter says:

... A worrisome idea became a wonderful idea after CBS sent out the pilot of Elementary, one of the most promising dramas this fall season. … Miller is superb and compelling …

10 p.m. Thursday. CBS.

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  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Lucy Liu

    by CuervoJones

    She's not Martin Freeman, but her ass is better.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Lucy Lui?

    by CuervoJones

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Looks Fun

    by mukhtabi

    I'll give it a shot.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Why does everyone get the spelling of Lucy LIU's name wrong?

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    It's like how everyone keeps writing SELMA Hayek...

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Lucy is so yummy, so very very yummy

    by Miyamoto_Musashi

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    would still love to hit lucy

    by palewook

    but not sold on the american modern version of sherlock. the bbc's is better.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Don't get the unabashed Sherlock love...

    by DrSherlockHouse

    I finally watched all the Sherlock episodes and I don't understand the hype. They are WILDLY uneven, with the writing never being GREAT and often being mediocre. And everyone saying this series is ripping it off...sorry, not buying it either. As my screen name suggests, I think the series to best update Holmes in recent memory is House. If you never watched it, you might not know that it is completely based on Sherlock Holmes. Dr. House = Sherlock, Dr. Wilson = Dr. Watson. He's a brilliant, acerbic, slightly aspbergerish doctor who solves/diagnoses diseases no one else can. Honestly, I feel the Cumberbatch Holmes "stole" more from house than any other Holmes iterations "stole" from "Sherlock".

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    They Might Be Giants...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...possibly the greatest film to ever address the Holmes character, also employed a female Watson. Joanne Woodward played Dr. Mildred Watson to George C Scott's Sherlock Holmes/Justin Playfair. The movie was written by James Goldman, William Goldman's brother, based on his play. The title of the movie (which became the name of a nerd friendly band) comes from a delightful bit where Holmes points out that Don Quixote was made because he thought all windmills were giants. But to think they MIGHT be... It received mixed reviews at the time because guys like Vincent Canby wouldn't reognize romanticism or magical realism if Harvey Keitel shot them through their bladders and squeezed magically romantic piss onto the theater floor. It's reputation has improved as time has passed. It's one of my twenty favorite movies ever made. As far as this, I can't imagine this new series will come close to what Moffat just did, but it's Sherlock, so I'll give it a try.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    BBC's Sherlock is virtually perfection

    by gregorso2

    If this "Elementary" series is not perfect, I have no need for it. I just want more of the BBC series.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST


    by Klaatu

    ...and boring.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    To write a genius it helps to be a genius.

    by Smerdyakov

    And genius showrunners and TV writers are in short supply, This is why Castle makes so many WTF deductions.

  • Dr House is like an all right show, if you like cheesy american standart tv stuff. Sherlock is just... well... perfect (apart from episode two in season one which wasn't perfect but still better than house)

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Only interesting new show this fall.

    by Raptor Jesus

    I'll take a good Sherlock re-invention any day. It's got to be better than those God-awful RDJ movies.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    I enjoy BBC Sherlock, but I'm not on its dick either

    by terry1978

    It's good but not the best incarnation of Holmes ever.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    BBC Sherlocks are always about a half hour too long.

    by Smerdyakov

    Give me "Luther" any day.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Lucy Liu was great on Southland

    by Bruno

    She has been trying to make TV happen for her since her stint on "Cashmere Mafia"... I hope this works out for her as she has always been underrated or typecast as an asian femme fatale... And she also looks DAMN GOOD for 44. Lucy, Halle, Jennifer Lopez all have some good fucking DNA...

  • This is coming from someone who loves BBC Sherlock and owns both seasons on blu ray. But, House was amazing.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Johnny Lee Miller did apparently ask Cumberbatch about doing it.

    by JediRob

    I did say, 'Well, I'd prefer you didn’t do it but you've got a kid to feed, a nice house in LA and a wife to keep in good clothes,'" Cumberbatch said. "When you get used to a certain standard of living and they waft a pay check at you, what are you going to do? I think Jonny was like, 'Mate, I’ve got the f---ing mountain to climb here [to reach the acclaim of 'Sherlock'], you've got nothing to fear.' I wish him the best of luck, but I’m a bit cynical about why they've chosen to do it and why they cast him.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    FOOL not full, as in you are full of shit

    by Gordon Bombay

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Lucy Liu has got to be...

    by buggerbugger

    ...a better Watson than pudding-faced and bland-acting Freeman, right?

  • Sept. 27, 2012, noon CST

    Can't stand Lucy Liu

    by pat

    I might be interested in this if she wasn't in it. Since she is I plan on skipping it. On what planet is she "mesmerizingly beautiful"? All this does is remind me that I need to check out BBC's Sherlock.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Glad you liked it

    by zer0cool2k2

    The ads looked good, but I was afraid it would be "CSI: British Guy" after hearing that "Vegas" appears to be "CSI:MadMen Era". Ah, Lucy... (Funny, when i pulled up this clip, it was preced by an ad for "Elementary").

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes? Doyle was a hack.

    by cerberus

    You mean the characters that Doyle The Hack ripped from Edgar Allan Poe's Dupin stories? Later on when people started to call Doyle on his hacky plagirism he started the "Doctor Bell" lie. Hell, even The New York Times called out Doyle on his plagirism. They ran a story called "Is Conan Doyle a plagiarist?" in their newspaper on December 26 1903. Knowing that his entire career and work was stolen from a far better writer must have really gotten to him. So Doyle tried to venture out on his own meager talent and failed miserably. A beaten man, he came back to his/Poe's greatest work.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I guess he will have a final showdown with Moriarty at Niagra Falls.

    by whatevillurks

    I wonder who will be playing the Napolean of Crime.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it was OK - if you like Castle or the Mentalist.

    by AnnoyYou

    It's by no means a modern updating of Sherlock Holmes - well, no more than RDJ's hyper-Indiana Jones-ish Holmes. As with that Holmes, Elementary's Holmes is a dumbed-down, accessible version designed for Americans, who don't really like to be challenged too much. And while Lucy Liu is usually very good (she was great in Southland), her role as Watson does her no favors, as it's obvious that the only reason she's there is to play the gorgeous, impervious female sidekick who will eventually thaw due to her love for the"great man." Just as with every other police or medical procedural on American TV. Ho-hum. I'll stick to the BBC version, which is far, far superior to this one.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Actually annoyyou...

    by cerberus

    Sherlock Holmes is a dumbed down version of Poe's Dupin with names and locations changed.

  • I'm not even going to compare these two because it's like Ground chuck compared to Filet Mignon. I freaking love Cumberbatch's Holmes peformance, and last season was freaking fantastic. It's a close race between Downey & Cumberbatch but I'd give the slight edge to Cumberbatch. Can't wait for season 3 to hit the states.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    b81 is correct

    by Speedbumped

    Liu was really terrific on Southland. I thought her character would get mired in cliche, but she was a pleasant surprise. The fact that she wasn't hired as a permanent cast member is a loss to that show.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Boy Cerevrus, way to dump on dead authors who can't fight back.

    by Smerdyakov

    What did Conan Doyle ever do to you? Conan Doyle brought pleasure to millions of readers. What have you done besides trolling?

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Sorry to spell your name wrong.

    by Smerdyakov

    You annoying person.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I enjoyed "Sherlock", but it was far from perfect.

    by Chewtoy

    You had to give a lot of it a wide suspension of disbelief, and even then it often trampled over it for the sake of a scene. (The original confrontation between Moriarty (played like the Joker, which is completely wrong for a criminal so behind-the-scenes that nobody even knows he exists) and Sherlock is the most ludicrous hostage stand-off ever.) That said, it did a great job of updating things to the modern era, and aside from Moriarty all of the actors were great in their roles. I will admit though that "House M.D." cracked the modern-day asshole Holmes character first, and it's hard not to see echoes of it in "Sherlock".

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    BBC Sherlock virtually perfection except...

    by Raymond Shaw

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    for the writing.

    by Raymond Shaw

    For example in the first episode instead of Sherlock finding the killer, the killer turns up on Sherlock's doorstep and surrenders. Then, when the killer is threatening Sherlock with the business about which pill is poison -- instead of Sherlock using his powers of reason to extricate himself the writer has Watson turning up and killing the baddy -- when Watson could not have known who the killer was or what was going on in that room. Or the Baskerville episode. It's reasonbly clever updating the story to involve military research but the actual details of the story don't make much sense. So good characterizations, lots of good touches modernizing the original stories, but the actual plotting is usually the standard TV crime show drivel.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Lucy Liu is OK...Grace Park is gorgeous!

    by Titus05

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who hates Lucy Liu?

    by Stegman84

    I don't know why, but she just grates on me in every single thing that she does. Always has. It's not logical, and it's not even that she's a particularly bad actress, I just really do find her incredibly annoying to watch in everything I've ever seen her in. I guess we all have those performers that, for whatever reason, just plain shit us, and for me Lucy Liu is mighty high on my list.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    Poe incented the Detective story with Murders in the Rue Morgue, The Mystery of Marie Rouget and The Purloined Letter. Poe is certainly a more important and more skilled writer than Arthur Conan Doyle. However to dismiss Doyle's Holmes tales as plagiarism of Poe's Dupin stories is extremely facile. Without getting so deeply into this as to reveal myself as a complete ass (I am a complete ass, but I prefer to keep that to myself) on a literary level Doyle's Holmes is simply not sophisticated enough to be considered within the same genre as Poe's Dupin stories. Poe employs Agon, Alea and Mimicry in the three stories, three of the four categories of play delineated by Caillois, and in essence each of the three stories works as a competition, not on one but on several levels. Dupin, in each story, competes within the context of the story (with the unnamed narrator in Morgue, with the reporters in Marie Rouget, with the master criminal D in Letter...and it is quite possible that the D in Letter exists as a sort of variant on the theme of William Wilson), he competes with the reader in a way that Doyle never did, and he places all three stories in competition with each other, circling back in each of the two later stories to subtly parody what came before. These stories are extremely sophisticated, and the very least of their ambitions was to tell a detective story (though yeah, they did sort of invent them). Doyle wrote potboiler detective fiction. Superior potboiler detective fiction. Detective fiction that created two of the most memorable characters in literary history. Potboiler fiction that, as a child, I read all but one of, because I wanted there to always be a Holmes story waiting for me unread. Are there similarities? Sure. You could even find a very easy similarity between D and Moriarity, I guess. But these creations were also both in the spirit of the age. Anyway, just my opinion, but to link these in a negative fashion is an unwarranted insult to both.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    raymond shaw...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I think maybe even a little finer point... ...because I find the way the characters of Holmes and Watson have been updated to be the strongest element of the show, and that most assuredly is due to the writing. I think you mean the deductions. And yes, I believe the mystery element to be by far the weakest element in the series. And that first episode was perhaps the most horrible offender. If not for my wife I would have stopped watching then, but I'm glad I didn't.

  • If that's the case, then fuck CBS for stealing his idea which has turned into one of the greatest adaptations of Doyle's characters we've ever seen and made Cumberbatch and Freeman the only Holmes and Watson worth giving two cents about.

  • Seriously though, fuck this ripoff sight unseen.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    House wins over Sherlock

    by tomdolan04

    Benedict may be good but from start to finish, for 170 odd episodes, whether it be in the stellar or in the lesser interesting episodes and even when peak interest wore off in later years, my god Laurie sold an authenticity in that role that cannot be bought nor faked.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST


    by Kay

    Some corrections here. CBS went to Moffat when season 1 was first on and wanted to re-do it for CBS, and they said "no". They had seen what some networks do to British shows, and besides the idea they think they could take those shows and do them here..ridiculous. 2nd - 'House" do know that House was Sherlock Holmes set in a Hospital. That came right from the creator. And Benedict was upset about the quotes given about what he said. He has always said (and it's on tape) he felt there was room for more and Jonny was a friend and he wished him the best. And as the PBS lady said after that to Benedict. "You Are a good friend"

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Vincent D'Onofrio's Robert Goren...

    by Michael Thompson

    was the best US adaptation of Sherlock Holmes.

  • *Yawn* This has "Been there done that" all over it. Pilot was a snoozefest, better off just watching Sherlock on BBCA.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by Kay

    Its BBC PBS..not BBC SAmerica. And they may show season 2 again sometime but the 3rd season won't be filmed until early January. Why only 3, because its an hour and a half and its filmed like a movie and it takes a bit longer. Also, Moffat & Gatiss talk about putting Sherlock into current times for some years before Moffat's wife said why don't You do it! They are big Holmes fans and know everything about it - the movies and the books and the t.v. shows. "Sherlock" was done as a labor of Love. (they didn't know how it would be received but they loved every minute of making the first season). "Elementary" has every right to be there but or me the difference is - Sherlock -Labor of Love .. Elementary - Labor of getting a t.v. show on the air.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    They should have made a HACKERS TV series instead

    by lv_426

    Johnny Lee Miller could be a middle-aged Zero Cool/Crash Override. Except now he has a kid with hacker skills who is causing all kinds of cyber-mayhem. Lucy Liu could be a federal agent that works in cybercrimes. Hell, have Fisher Stevens character The Plague get out of jail to exact his revenge.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    So can we accuse Hollywood of Yellow Washing now?

    by eveelcapitalist

    Like how fucktard fanboys always accuse them of so called "white washing" on the handful of occasions where they've cast or sought to cast caucasians in what are perceived to be asian roles (The Last Airbender, the aborted Akira). And in case you're dense this is a slap at fucktard fanboys, not georgeous asian women like Lucy Liu.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Poe had sizzling concepts, but his prose is turgid

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    and his poetry sing-song-y (why Ralph Waldo Emerson referred to him as "the jingle man").

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    So, does he ring Angelina Jolie when he needs

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    computer help?

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    @red ned lynch

    by mrm1138

    I truly hope "The Adventure of the Three Gables" is the one Holmes story you've left unread, as it's the only one I truly dislike. In fact, I'd like to believe, as some do, that Doyle himself didn't actually write it. It's incredibly hard to reconcile how a man who could later write such a sensitive (and ahead of its time) portrayal of racial acceptance with "The Adventure of the Yellow Face*" could write such a grotesquely racist caricature of a black man in "Three Gables." (Worse yet, Holmes himself even makes a joke about the size of the character's lips.) *Not what it sounds like.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch's The Adventure of the Mazarin Stone, and I still haven't read it. I know it's one of the third person stories, which makes it a little easier to leave aside. Though, when the times comes (unless it comes as a surprise) I will get around to reading it. If you're going to read fiction of the fantastic written before the mid-20th century you're going to have to endure some things that are pretty awfully offensive. On that score Doyle was better than a lot of his contemporaries, although there are quite a few other examples you could pull from his work (there's quite a bit you have to read around in Sign of Four, which is one of my favorites).

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    bedknobs and broomsticks...

    by Red Ned Lynch do know that Emerson really disapproved of Poe's morality, right? Like most of his fellow transcendentalists Emerson was a 19th century prig walking around in a fancy enlightened suit. He also called Poe a man without morals and one of the electric lights of literature, brilliant and dazzling but with no heat. Like most overt moralists Emerson was threatened by expressions of darkness. When someone has gone on record objecting to every element of an author's existence a fair-minded fellow might come to the conclusion that a random insult tossed off by that man (contradicted, by the way, by the other insult I quoted above) would probably not be the best source for a fair critique. Okay, now that I've gotten that out of my system I would advise you to read Poe's Poetic Sentiment and Emerson's Moral Sentiment back to back. They are strikingly similar in many ways, except of course for the fact that Emerson believes that man will evolve past sin, that all evils are eventually set right and that it is only our opposition to the saccharine beauty of nature that keeps us from embracing this end. Poe believed that men were not perfectible and had no illusions about the healing properties of creation. He believed that the artist could redeem himself only through the pursuit of his art, and that although the ideal might be sometimes achievable that it was the pursuit that offered redemption. The history of both man and nature would suggest that Emerson was not correct. At the very least I haven't seen ' the incessant opposition of Nature to everything hurtful'. So anyway, you're certainly free to dislike Poe's writing. But you might want to find someone a bit more fair-minded on the subject than Emerson to name check while you're trying to back your play.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST


    by MegaBeth

    Looks like shit. Cancelled in six episodes.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST

    anyone remember that 80s tv movie...

    by schlockthemonkey

    Where Holmes was frozen and thawed out in the 1980s by Watsons great granddaughter? or something like that. I only saw it once.

  • I guess that will set us on the Moriarty myth arc. I liked Miller as Holmes, just nt everything else.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Lucy Liu's freaky eyes

    by thelordofhell

    I look at her and go nice body....good rack (thanks "Thirst") and nice long hair, freckly hot face and then BLAM!!.......that left eye that's totally off kilter compared to her right eye.......distraction city from there onward..........

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 3:26 a.m. CST

    @schlockthemonkey It was in the 90's, not 80's

    by Cash907

    It debuted the same year as "The Adventures of Lois and Clark." I remember because they were on the same night and time, and this was before DVR's so could only watch one. Picked L&C because, well, Teri Hatcher... duh. I did watch a rerun of the pilot though, remember thinking I hadn't missed much. Cute concept but it failed miserably in execution.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST

    So, it's not the worst thing in the history of television?

    by Mr. Pricklepants

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    Most. Pitiful. Ripoff. Ever.

    by veteran_of_mu

    Couldn't even make it through the trailer. Pitiful writing, pitiful direction, pitiful casting and pitiful acting. I'd rather watch Benedict Cumberbatch play golf than this tripe. And I *HATE* golf.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    @raymond shaw on Study In Pink: watch it again ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    Holmes solves the Cabbie's puzzle in Study in Pink just fine. In ~Scandal in Belgravia~ Holmes remarks, ~On hearing a smoke alarm, a mother would look towards her child.~ That's Moffatt slipping us a hint. In SIP Holmes plays the Cabbie the same way. He's doesn't look for clues. He generates them by probing: ~I am playing. This is my turn. [...] You didn't just kill four people because you're bitter. Bitterness is a paralytic. Love is a much more vicious motivator. Somehow, this is about your children.~ To which the cabbie responds, ~When I die they won't get much, my kids.~ And in that moment of focusing on his children and his mortality the cabbie looks to the pill bottle on his left. That's where his children are. That's where life is. Watch Sherlock's eyes. He just talked to the cabbie; and now the cabbie's going to kill himself. Then there's the misdirection about the gun and then, ~Just before you go, did you figure it out? Which one's the good bottle?~ Sherlock: ~Course. Child's play.~ And takes the bottle that sits to the Cabbie's left. Well, what do you say Raymond - is that proper thinking?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 6:21 a.m. CST

    @caractacuspotts Study in Pink

    by thatdudeguy

    Agreed. The depth of reasoning on display by the writers in the BBC pilot (premiere) versus the US pilot was saddening. With the exception of BBC episode 2, every episode of Sherlock is infinitely rewatchable and holds up under the closest scrutiny. Great for nerds like me. Hopefully Elementary will rectify its course over the next few episodes.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Should I watch Sherlock or this first?

    by TheMachinist

    Been meaning to watch a few mysteries/crime shows for a while, as research for a novel. I hear limitless good about Sherlock, but Elementary looks interesting, in spite of the blatant rip-offish nature. Also, Holmes never used that fucking phrase.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST

    @thatdudeguy on S1E2 ...

    by veteran_of_mu

    So ... what makes you think the episode is about what it seems to be about? I agree the writing seems incredibly shonky. The idea that the baddies would somehow lose track of the Chinese girl when she actually lives in the upstairs flat above their evil pottery smuggling den is just ... stupid. Or it seems to be. But there's a gigantic cryptogram just sitting there in the middle of the episode. And the numbers Sherlock notices aren't actually the correct numbers. So ... we know what the codebook was and what the number system really is. Will no one puzzle out the real meaning behind TBB?

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Sherlock and this one are both somewhat Rip-Offs

    by quintana007

    from a great Movie called "ZERO EFFECT" with an insanely Bill Pullman as Sherlock and Ben Stiller as Watson. Watch it!

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Grace Park is gorgeous, but she has zero ass

    by kidicarus

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    sherlock lite

    by Rakesh Patel

    Those that haven't watched sherlock and dont know any better will think this is great stuff. I can only compare it to Sherlock and on that count the BBC have nothing to worry about. Its just a pity it doesn't get the wider exposure that this will get in the states. Nothing wrong with it. it's just Sherlock is vastly superior.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    @schlockthemonkey & cash907

    by jim

    You're both right - there was an 80s TV movie with that premise, as well as one in the 90s. From wikipedia: "In The Return Of Sherlock Holmes, a TV movie aired in 1987, Margaret Colin stars as Dr. Watson's great-granddaughter Jane Watson, a Boston private eye, who stumbles upon Sherlock Holmes's (played by Michael Pennington) body in frozen suspension and restores the Victorian sleuth to life in the 1980s. The film was intended as a pilot for a TV series which never materialised. A similar plot line was used in Sherlock Holmes Returns: 1994 Baker Street where Dr Amy Winslow (played by Debrah Farentino) discovers Sherlock Holmes frozen in the cellar of house in San Francisco owned by a descendant of Mrs Hudson. Holmes (played by Anthony Higgins) froze himself in the hopes that crimes in the future would be less dull. He discovers that consulting detectives have been replaced by the police department's forensic science lab and that the Moriarty family are still the Napoleons of crime"

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    When will we see a really good 'Nero Wolfe' series?

    by Raptor Jesus

    Has to be set in original time period, of course, none of this 'modern time' b.s. for Wolfe.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    lambcamera: Go with the BBC-PBS version for the best

    by MGTHEDJ

    The first eps of Series (aka season) 1 and Series 2 were nominated for Emmys for writing. The eps are a Study in Pink (based on A Study in Scarlet) and A Scandal in Belgravia (based on A Scandal in Bohemia and introduces Irene Adler.) There is also a reason Cumberbatch is doing Star Trek & has just reported to the set of August:Osage County, and Freeman is in The Hobbit. They are THAT GOOD in the roles of Holmes and Watson. Series 3 will be done once the guys can get back to London, but that's looking like maybe not until sometime in early 2013, if not later. As for Elementary, I caught bits and pieces of it last night, and I will watch it more in total this weekend. From what I saw Lucy's Watson being around to keep Holmes sober is based on Ben Stillers' version of the character from Zero Effect. It was nice to see Aiden Quinn still getting work.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Both seasons of BBC version are streaming on Netflix

    by Bass Ackwards

    Just in case anyone wasn't already aware.

  • Wow, the BBC version's second go round was incredibly pale in comparison. And I never thought I would say that. From John Watson's frazzled air-headedness-cum-groupie attitude to the tendency to remind the audience of how much everyone LOOOOOVES Sherlock unless they're black female police officers, the whole event got tiresome. And then there was the incredibly weak wrap-up to Season 2 that, while POSSIBLE, was highly improbable (to paraphrase old Occam's Raze). There are huge gaps, in Sherlock's light touch of the main character's destructive idleness to its too-ridiculous leaps in logic (well, he has five books on Margaret Thatcher and four books on Winston Churchill, so the password must be MAGGIE" since he likes her so much). Speaking fast does not make you sound smarter, Sherlock, stick to the forensic analysis PLEASE. There's a huge hole for a serious modern Sherlock Holmes and around Season 2 Episode 1 when Sherlock is fighting off armies of AK-wielding enemies with a sword (off-screen of course), it became obvious that Moffat's baby wasn't going to be that any longer.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST


    by TheMachinist

    I always thought Joseph Gordon-Levitt would make a really good Archie.

  • Sept. 28, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I can't believe I actually liked it

    by severianx1

    I was fully 100% prepared to absolutely hate it. But I didn't. Even though I still find the premise itself rather flawed, somehow it just worked, and I liked it.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    While the story was weak, Miller's Holmes was decent, and...

    by obijuanmartinez

    ...I will watch a 2nd episode to determine whether to watch further. Liu did OK as well. Comparing this Holmes w/ Cumberbatch = Apples vs. Oranges. As a Holmes fan, I'm always happy to see a new take, whether it be Jeremy Brett, Christopher Lee, Tom Baker, or RDJ...

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    In the second ep, "Watson" has dinner with ex-boyfriend.

    by kabong

    That's it. I'm out.

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    weak attempt, bbc sherlock is ther one to watch

    by ls420

    i cant see them doing 24 episodes of this lame matchup, i dont see the chemistry between the stars. flat network tv

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Has this been cancelled yet?

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    Hey, Jonny. This is Sherlock Holmes speaking. Your new show sucks!

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    WTF? I type a whole post and only part of it appears?

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    Anyway, what I was trying to say was: This is like some dumbass American network trying to remake Fawlty Towers and absolutely failing at it. I bet Cumberbatch has already called Jonny Lee Miller... *"Hey, Jonny. This is Sherlock Holmes speaking. I saw your new show. It sucks!"*

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Sherlock-current times

    by Kay

    If anyone has heard the commentary on the 1st Sherlock DVD they talk about the Rathbone series being set in that particular "modern times" as of course was even Sherlock Holmes in his very current Victorian times. They know they weren't inventing anything new, other than with their Sherlock it had not been done yet with Internet, phones - etc. As Sue (Moffat's wife and producer) said they feel very protective of "Sherlock" - as said before, labor of love. I think i did read from an Elementary writer of course there would be no romance between them but they thought maybe later on they would have one for her..and possibly him. Huh?

  • Sept. 29, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    I have my doubts because all I see is Eli Stone and Ling Woo

    by tangcameo

    I keep expecting George Michael or dancing CGI babies or guys talking about women's neck waddles. I have no problem with Lucy Liu-cification. It's the David E Kelly-fication I'm worried about. And yes I know DEK had nothing to do with Eli Stone, but without DEK's lawyer shows there probaby would be no Eli Stone.

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Herc, did you see Liu on Southalnd?

    by OutsideChance

    I think she displayed all the traits you liked about her performance here.

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    well it cant be worse than the bbc version.

    by JAMF

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Like it or hate it

    by hst666

    anyone who believes Elementary is a ripoff off Sherlock is retarded.