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The Kidd Has Fortune And Glory For These INDIANA JONES: The Complete Adventures Blu-ray Box Set Winners!!

The Kidd here...

I know you've been patiently (some of you impatiently) waiting to find out if you're one of the five individuals whose creative approach to finding the MacGuffin for an ideal fifth Indiana Jones film struck a chord with me enough to land one of these sweet INDIANA JONES: The Complete Adventures Blu-ray box sets, so I won't keep you waiting.

I got a ton of similar ideas during the process, as just about everyone seemed to want Indy going after the lost city of Atlantis and even one of the winning ideas came up a lot (I had to go with the one whose story seemed to jive the best in the world of Indy's previous adventures). In the end, that's what really cemented these five winners for me. They each felt like they could easily fit into the world of Indiana Jones we've come to know and love - with the exception of one, which just made me laugh a great deal. 

So here we go...

  • Wesley Dodd

Indy discovers that a Nazi idealist is attempting to kickstart a Fourth Reich. Scoffing at earlier attempts to harness God’s power for the good of Nazi advancement (RAIDERS), this heathen lives by the adage that knowledge is power. He looks to claim what God deemed too rich for human consumption by eating from Eden’s Tree of Knowledge. Once armed with this forsaken wisdom, he believes he will be imbued with God’s omniscience, thus being able to lead his forces to achieve what Hitler never could. Even worse, if this new breed of Nazi discovers the location of Eden, the entire force will have access to the Tree of Life and immortality. Dr. Jones sets out on a final adventure to uncover the location of the Garden of Eden prior to the villains, putting a stop to this dastardly plot.

By utilizing Biblical relics, INDY 5 would not shy away from the grand scope of earlier films. The filmmakers would be forced to interpret the look and feel of these holy concepts that have never been seen by modern eyes. It is a mix of fantasy and reality that has always been one of the most appealing aspects of INDY. Fans of the franchise would take one final romp through the elements that made them fall in love with Indy’s universe in the first place, including ancient riddles, dusty tombs, mystical forces, and a villain that filmgoers love to hate (NAZIS!!!).
  • Jonathan Foster

One of Indiana Jones’ student’s term papers has really caught his attention. It’s an assessment of a dig in the sands of Egypt that unearthed what was thought to be the tomb of one of the descendants of Jacob, third patriarch of the Hebrew people. The real mystery was that, once uncovered, it was found that the tomb was empty. Eventually the tomb of Jacob himself – in the Cave of the Patriarchs in the Israeli mountains was exhumed. It was also empty. Not even a trace of a body ever having rested there. The only finding of note was a picture engraved underneath the coffin’s top: A ladder going up into infinity. The students conclusions, fantastic, and indulging in folklore, Indiana is quick to condemn. Such indulgence has no place in real archeology.

But when archeologists start disappearing all over Africa, Indy starts to suspect that his student’s very youthful and fantastic report may not be nearly fantastic enough to predict what is waiting for him in his search for what remains of Jacob’s Ladder - Jacob’s dream of a contact – a bridge – a direct connection from the Earth into the afterlife – a staircase to Heaven, which is possible was not only dreamed about but, at one point, truly manifested.

A journey that brings Indy to within a glimpse of the next world, which, upon it’s discovery, restores Indy’s and Marion’s Raiders youthful appearance (CGI!!) and reunites him with Sallah, Marcus Brody, Short Round, Belloq, and Allison Doody(CGI)!!

  • Abel Gleason 

An aged, battered, and increasingly watered-down Dr. Jones gathers his wits, allies, and no shortage of practical effects about him and sets out in search of one of the greatest lost treasures the world has ever known: George Lucas' prosaic and directorial edge, which vanished from the world without a trace twenty years ago encased in a cursed vault forged from greed and clever marketing.  Indy's greatest quest will take him around the world, and nowhere near a CGI rendering suite.  But in his path stands an army of soulless Yes-Men and sycophants led by a force so heinous, so overpowering, even a lead-lined refrigerator may not be enough to save our hero: the vile Baron McCallum and the forces of the Lucasfilm Marketing Gestapo!

Can the Man with The Hat and Whip©®™ somehow triumph yet again?  Can Dr. Henry Jones Jr. overcome the staggering odds of source material mediocrity and reclaim his original glory?  Can Indiana somehow save the fans from being guilted into buying yet another box set featuring subsequent sequels, even if it (hopefully) costs him the life of his son?!  FIND OUT in INDIANA JONES AND THE HUNT FOR THE LOST ELAN!!!

  • Maxwell Heesch
An artifact once covered in the junior novel Indiana Jones and the Secret of the Sphinx, The Omega Book is a tome that contains the
complete record of everyone who has ever, or will ever live. Whom-so-ever finds the book has the power to alter their destiny or erase anyone they wish from existence.

Tossing out the story of the book, this MacGuffin would be ideal for Indy to pursue in his final adventure because of the familiar themes it touches upon from the other films (immortality, fortune, glory, etc.), as well as the opportunity for Indy to battle with himself, in addition to others, for control of his destiny and legacy. This is where a fitting conclusion to Mutt Williams' character could be sought as well.

The Book is originally hidden beneath the Sphinx, which could work. The Sphinx is an attractive location, as it would allow Indy and Marion to revisit places from their previous adventures, and perhaps include Sallah once more! My original thought for villains in the picture would have been Nazis hiding in South America, but instead I think that it would be the ultimate trip to see corrupt Americans as the foes this time.

Ultimately, Indy would take the high road and not read his fate, but the Book would offer genuine temptation for Indy, especially in his family were along for the ride. Plus, how cool would it be to see Indy read about all his adventures in one Book? (Very)
  • Gary Wild

Every other Indiana Jones film has centered on a religious artifact dealing with Christ.  The fifth installment should follow suit as a nice bookend, focusing on the quest for the Lance of Longinus: the spear that pierced Christ’s side on the cross.

Though Hitler is long defeated and dead, there remains the most vicious, violent, and dangerous sect of loyal-to-the-cause Nazis who embark on an underground campaign to locate the true spear (as there are several purported spears throughout the world).  Believed to possess mystical powers from the blood of Christ, the lance grants immortality and great power to whomever wields it—for either good or evil.  Having failed to obtain the Ark and the Holy Grail, this last relic could place the remaining Nazi’s in a position for world dominance, seeing their fuehrer’s demented vision to fruition through WWIII. 

As this faction of determined and deranged Nazi’s grow closer to the true lance, they begin leaving signs of their relentless presence, propelled ever onward only by the ghost of their Commander-In-Chief and their “defeat-is-not-an-option” mentality.

Enjoying a quiet retirement—fedora and whip hung up—it is up to Indiana Jones to hesitantly set out on one last harrowing adventure to follow the clues and put an end, once and for all, to the Nazi’s sick desire to sweep through the world in a bid for absolute control.

The man in the hat is back to save the world one final time in Indiana Jones and the Spear of Destiny.

That's it. That's the list.

Oh, and, as far as the best of the best, which is good for that replica Indiana Jones fedora and whip, Wesley Dodd's approach to bring it all full circle has earned the honors.

Congratulations to all our winners, and thanks to everyone who took the time to participate.

I read through a lot of interesting ideas to give me hope that a fifth INDIANA JONES could absolutely work if given the care, effort and passion that some of you have for the character and the overall material.

Thanks to Paramount Home Entertainment once again for this wonderful opportunity. 


-Billy Donnelly

"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"

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  • Sept. 25, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST

    I lost today Kidd, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.

    by DirtyDingusMegee

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST


    by Croweyes1121

    Super bummed I didn't win one of these. Thanks for giving us the opportunity to try, though, guys. It's much appreciated.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Abel Gleason for the win

    by Bobo_Vision

  • Remove Crystal Skull and Last Crusade and we are in business.

  • Good Indy Movies Pack: the excelent "Raiders Of The Lost Ark" and awesome "Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom". Extra material should be hours long documentaries and behind the scenes and interview material to rival the stuff in the LOTR DVDs, and finally audio comentaries by Spielberg. Bad Indy Movies Pack: The one where he's named after the dog and the one where he's old and pathetic. Extra material is a 3 hours long appology by Lucas, Ford and Spielberg for this crappy movies they made and how they shouldn't be considered proper Indy movies but mere parodies that missed their mark.

  • The Ark Of The Covemant is from the old testement, thousand of years older then when Jesus walked the Earth. And the ark was Moses gig, not Jesus. By the time of Jesus, the ark was already lost. I didn't knew that the Shakara Stones had anything to do with Jesus. I though it was an hindu religious artifact. My bad!! The fucking crystal skull was in fact Jesus's skull? Wow!! Didn't knew that! Damn the movie's subtlery!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Scirocco's Failure To Comprehend

    by stethlenon

    Here is the basic gist of it all. No, Jesus wasn't around to use the Ark of the Covenant (not Covemant, as you say) as a coffee table while hosting bread-breaking parties. However, the Ten Commandments are the word of God, which Jesus was charged with spreading. Are we following? He is solidly *linked* to the Ark (I never said he kept Coors Light in it). Also, Jesus is widely viewed as the *new* Ark of the Covenant, all of its meaning seen more perfectly within his form and his teachings. Still with me? I have no idea what "Shakara" Stones are (perhaps they recorded "Whenever, Wherever" early in their career before the vocalist went solo? [And yes, I know it is Shakira, but it's just a joke so I hope you allow me this leeway]). I think you meant Sankara. Also, the term "every other" refers to sequential order; i.e. Raiders and Crusade. Every other, not every single one. Before you go off on a tear and try to insult others, you should really try and think things through and make sure you have a clue as to what you are whining about. Basic spelling skills are also highly expected when you attempt to skewer me. I deserve that much respect. Sheesh. Either way, I will tip my hat to you as I watch my Indy Blu-rays. P.S. I hope I did not misspell anything. Then I'll just be an ornery hypocrite.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Abel Gleason, really?

    by akirakid

    You were looking for a MacGuffin not a comment on the state of the movies. I find the fact that Abel's entry was chosen above other legitimate storylines to be insulting to those that racked their brains for a story that could actually be filmed. I do congratulate Abel on his win but I have lost a bit of respect for Billy with this choice. I'm not saying my entry was any better or on the level of the other four but this one should have been tossed out immediately for not taking the contest seriously.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Gary Wild = stethlenon

    by Bobo_Vision

    Gary, it would have been much easier to just admit that you were wrong and scirocco was right. By sticking to your guns despite being blatantly wrong, you come off as an intolerable douche that nobody would like to hang out with. Enjoy your Indy blu-rays.

  • Sorry, I'm not saying these are bad. I personally would have chosen 3 of those. But mine moved forward in American history... like it this movie would really do. Using a mythical sword that Le Loi supposedly used to free Vietnam from the Ming Dynasty in 1428. A sword thought to really contain magical powers which makes the bearer the ultimate warrior and leader. A sword that Ho Chi Minh tries desperately to find. I'm not rehashing Nazis. Lucas moved on to Russians. Vietnam would be the obvious next step other than staying with Russians. I'm moving forward in history. And I'm now repeating myself. So Billy, most of these are good ideas, but ask yourself: which one would stand a chance at actually being made? Mine. Mine is the correct answer... and I can't afford the blu-ray, so I was pretty desperate (and no, I didn't beg in my email).

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    @Mr stethlenon

    by albert comin

    "However, the Ten Commandments are the word of God, which Jesus was charged with spreading" Em... no. Jesus was tasked to bring a new covenant to the people of Israel, because, according to christian dogma, the old one was not working anymore. So, the link to the ark is tenuous and indirect at best, because christianity, even catholic and orthodox, does not base their tenents on pieces of furniture, even if it's God's own handywork. And that is only if you go by christian dogma. If you go by judaism, Jesus has fuck all to do with the ark because for them, Jesus is not the messiah, which is yet to show up. So, no, there is no direct links of the ark to our man Jesus, thus, Raiders is out. Maybe i mispelled the shankara stones name, but they appear in Temple Of Doom, they are the maguffin that Indy is after and which the villain robbed from the poor farmers so he can raise an army. Again, what link is there to that piece of Hindu mythology to Our Boy Jesus? None whatsoever. So, Temple Of Doom is out too. And if you want to be exact, the whole notion that the grail has anything to do with Jesus was a pious fiction invented by 13th century monks who adapted a celt legend involving the fisher king and a rightous revenge of a son deprived of his rightful claim to a throne and turned it onto the cup where Jesus' last drops of blood were collected after he was stabed by rhe centurion (and in fact such a stabbing was considered a mercy, because it means Jesus was goign to die on the cross much sooner then the usual 3 days a person would endure up there). So, if you actually go scholar on the grail, that's another thing that shouldn't be associated with Mr Jesus. And i'd like to see the argument that tries to link the fraud of the "mayan" crystal skulls with God's Own Boy. In short, please, don't assume and make the mistake you are talking with the usual geek that loves movies because shit blows up. Give me a little more credit then that, please. I do actually know some of what i'm talking about on this subject because stuff like this fascinates me, i'm as much an history buff as a movie buff. And religion for me is history (in more ways then one). As for the typos and spellings and bad grammar, i'm sorry. I offer no excuses for that.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST

    "ornery"? Any chance to use that word is always good.

    by albert comin

    So, again, thank you for your post, Mr stethlenon.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST


    by stethlenon

    Yes, you are absolutely correct. Despite knowing exactly what I am talking about, I should have kowtowed to a little brat who is upset he didn't win. Great sleuthing to figure out Gary=Stethlenon. Indy himself might not have been able to crack that one. And my mommy says I am just downright delightful.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Wesley Dodd's story should be Indy 5

    by Spartan_Of_Satan

    Well done sir. Well done.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:05 a.m. CST


    by MattDomville

    I picked the same relic for my submission as the winner.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    I agree, Wesley Dodd could have nailed it.

    by brokentusk

    All they need to do is have the film focus entirely on INDIANA JONES (no wink-wink homages to his earlier adventures and no run-ins with Sallah, a grown Short Round, or even Marian) and ground the film in practical sets and effects, and we could have a winner. Of course, they'll do the complete opposite and fuck it up.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Stethlenon, the only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner

    by Bobo_Vision

    Being petulant after winning the prize is going to give you some karmic knocks to the head as all your words are stored in the akashic records. Indy himself couldn't save you from the fate that will befall you. Instead of behaving like Indy after recovering the Sankara stone for the village, you are Allison Doody. Doody.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I feel a little bit vindicated...

    by dropofahat

    because I used the same MacGuffin as the overall winner - but admittedly, he did link it thematically to the previous movies better than I did. I had the "knowledge" of Eden being an Earth-energy weapon (due to a mistranslation) relating to Ley Lines - Indy discovers that Earth energy explains things like Easter Island and the Bermuda Triangle. My baddies were the Chinese and Russians, both looking for an ultimate weapon to give to their comrades in Vietnam. Wesley Dodd did it better, kudos. And for the record, I also read "every other" as being "every single one".

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST


    by MattDomville

    How many of us picked the winning maguffin? Was it that obvious a choice?

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST

    That's bullshit. That list is full of DUDS.

    by HornOrSilk

    Who judged the contest? Bullshit. You asked for an idea and a brief description of how it is to be used. Now, one really qualifies as a joke, and it is one of the best (the George Lucas one)? Seriously? That isn't a real solid entry -- pure BS. My idea actually FIT the series, and FIT the contest. My idea is the fountain of youth. It fits with an old age Indy, it fits with the archeology-adventure element, and it really would work. You have unoriginal (Spear of Destiny-- how many people gave you that one?), jokes (Lucas), and the like. I call foul on this contest.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST

    snm1266 exactly right. I say this contest was rigged

    by HornOrSilk

    The fact that many people chose one and the same one (Spear of Destiny) should say something about that "choice." But more than that, one of the winners clearly didn't fit at all -- but it was a good joke so it wins? I feel this contest was rigged. What B.S.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    No love for Lovecraft?

    by Durendal

    Heh, I guess my idea about Indy going for the Heart of Cthulhu (big mystical gem needed to awaken the Great Old One) before the cultists get it may not have been developed well enough...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    durendal -- your idea is better than many which won

    by HornOrSilk

    "Jacob's Ladder"? Seriously? A George Lucas joke. Seriously? The Spear of Destiny, long talked about as to what the 4th would be about before it wasn't, seriously? An object created for the books, seriously? Even the Garden of Eden one really is a big fail imo, because it is a fundamental misunderstanding of the occult lore behind Nazis. It would have been better if they went Hindu again... or again, something like yours.. trust me... I feel we have been had.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    I'm not crazy about the jokey one winning either

    by dropofahat

    As for the rest - Fountain of Youth is a good macguffin too, I guess it just came down to how well the entries tied things into the mythology of the previous movies. I see now that I didn't do that as well as the winning entry.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Here's my idea for the Macguffin

    by Bobo_Vision

    Indy goes to Thailand with Mutt in search of a black obelisk which holds mysterious powers. They stop at a tavern in China to meet their guide and are approached by a transvestite who screams with delight after seeing Indy and hugs him saying, "Indy, my friend, my friend, Indy." Indy is confused. "Shorty?" <p> "Dad, you know this"(comedy courtesy of George Lucas). "Mutt, this is Mr. Round." <p> Shortie pulls down his pants to reveal his penis and says, "Short Round." Mutt and Indy exchange glances. Screen wipe to a shot of the plane flying over the map as they fly to Thailand. <p> To be continued.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Spear of Destiny?

    by Kortan Askew

    Didn't know we can reuse Indiana Jones Macguffins. I have an original idea that i borrowed where Indy goes after the ark of the covenant.

  • Remember, we started with Native American artifacts, and even the last film had a Native American connection. In my description, I explained how it could be an archeological journey throughout the Americas and it would contain entry into the "lost city of God" where records of the real location of the fountain of youth would be found. It also fits the whole archeology theme and traditional explorer-myths than, say, Eden (or the Omega Book, come on, that book idea sucked; Jacob's Ladder is also bad, but could fit with the Crystal Skull I guess). Mine would have also dealt with Indy and his age. He can be reflexive of himself and his adventures. And if they wanted, it could be used to reboot the series (or end it). But what we have are winners which (imo) prove Kidd doesn't have a clue to Indy, to the occult lore behind the movies, or something else was up..

  • Trust me, something is rotten here.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    forest, I agree, your idea is better than the winners

    by HornOrSilk

    IMO. More originality and thought and would fit with the fact that Indy is not just about Judeo-Christian themes.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST


    by BlueSkittle

    Gotta believe there was better

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    The Jokey One...

    by PenultimateMan mine. Frankly, I'm surprised it's the only one of its type. I can understand why a lot of you would be pissed that it got a nod, and you can complain that I didn't take the contest seriously and say that the contest was rigged. If that assuages your embitterment, good. Writing the entry helped assuage my own anger over the greatest adventure films of all time (my favorite movies ever, INCLUDING Last Crusade) being half-assed and trivialised by the very people who should have taken them the most seriously, just like they did to another franchise that was a seminal part of my youth (and all of yours, I'd warrant). Indy's one of the greatest icons in the history of cinema, and it sucks that I now have qualify that opinion when I mention it to people and subsequently either defend, rationalise or ignore Crystal Skull. I hate it. Lucas and Spielberg already besmirched Star Wars and somehow even tainted my love of the original trilogy with the abomination that were the prequels; Indy was the last holdout of Lucasfilm's integrity for me, and I'm genuinely upset that they seem intent upon ruining that, too. We all should be. I'm only joking about it because laughing is preferable to yelling. If I hadn't mentioned that, hadn't acknowledged that those two assholes will likely just fuck up their next stab as well because their hearts are no longer in it, it would have been the elephant in the room. You shouldn't be mad at Billy, and certainly not at me. We should all of us be mad at Lucas and Spielberg for selling out to their own innovations and hype.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Not to sound like a sore loser, but...

    by Sandy

    A joke MacGuffin & plot was one of the winners? A JOKE? Seriously?! Whatever. At least Quint doesn't SERIOUSLY consider jokes for contests like this. He may give them honorable mention, but they don't win a prize. The joke should not have been seriously considered as a winner because there is NO WAY on earth it would or could EVER be an actual Indiana Jones film. That WAS after all the whole point to this thing....wasn't it? It's not even about me or my entry either....there simply HAD to be SOMEONE who had a far better SERIOUS idea. No wonder people give "The Kidd" a lot of flak about his professionalism (or lack thereof).

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    hornorsilk, now that you've gone into some detail...

    by dropofahat

    Yeah, that's not bad. Better, IMHO, than the book and Jacob's Ladder.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    The joke is worthy of a mention, as a joke, but not as a serious entry into the contest. It didn't deserve to win and you know it. Heck, I would say it didn't even fit the contest but you won despite it. I still say something very rotten here. Yes, we can complain about Lucas. Fine. But that doesn't mean a complaint about Lucas fit the contest. It didn't. Sorry dude, this is rotten.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    The Omega book

    by Kortan Askew

    Hornorsilk, I was willing to give Maxwell Heesch the benefit of the doubt since he admitted to it being "covered in the junior adventures book". And he used the story in Indys grown up adventures. Whereas the spear of destiny plot by Gary Wild seems to match the comic verbatim. But after googling it some, I couldn't find any reference to the Omega book that didn't pertain to Indiana Jones. It is a creation by the author of the book Max McCoy. So this is just outright plagiarism. Oh and it also wasn't a junior adventure. It takes place in the timeline Pre-Raiders but Indy is an adult.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    None of those scripts would've made it

    by seasider

    past the studio mailroom.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    by stethlenon

    Nope. Jesus never spread the word of God. Not God once. You're right. I am flattered though to see the lengths you've gone to explain religion to me though. You're a very determined one. If the word count were higher I could have written a dissertation to illustrate the significance and the links. I never claimed Raiders delved into any grand plotline to link the two. Perhaps that is my mistake for using a loose statement when the messiahs of the Internet clamor for footnotes and chapter/verses. I wouldn't go as far to say sore winner. I just never once said anything about the stones or skull dealing with Christ and felt need to address my accuser. I also don't worry for repercussions. I don't subscribe to any God or retaliation, for that matter, in the form of Karma. No offense, but I also don't fret for the anger of those that comment. I bid you all a good day and shall move on with my "intolerable" self just as carefree as I began this day in the real world which is sadly more serene than the Internet. Kidd, feel free to send my prize to Scirocco. He clearly craves this more than I.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    dropofahat thanks

    by HornOrSilk

    I tried to keep the description short (and unedited, so wrote it with stream of consciousness style writing), because I thought the focus was also on the theme, and that the focus and winning theme would be the best macguffin not the best description of one. I do think there were probably others who did much better than the winners here. Here's how I wrote up my short reply: The next adventure can only be one thing: the search for the fountain of youth. It's another classical archeological mystery filled with supernatural wonder. It would be something an elderly Indy would look for, but it is also something which might not have the kind of effects he (and others) expect -- depending upon what they want to do, they could make it somewhat rearrange his DNA as he gets younger, allowing for a new actor to take on the role and have modern (and futuristic) adventures next. It could also tie in with Native American legends in North America as a whole (the Lost City of Gold, Aztecs, Mayans, Sioux) making it an epic quest that takes place across the Americas. The Lost City might, itself, be necessary to visit, because within it might be directions that one needs to have in order to properly use the fountain of youth, and those who do not follow them, die.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    kortan_askew -- well, I didn't read the book

    by HornOrSilk

    But I could tell, knew, it was the creation of the series (knowing my ancient artifacts and traditions as I do). That is one of the reasons why I thought it was a bad choice for a win. And the Spear of Destiny is one many have said should be done (and was thought it was going to be done before the Crystal Skull was chosen) that I thought it should be rejected outright. But oh well. I think the choices show us more about Kidd than anything else and I won't deal with his crappy contests again

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Spear of Destiny? Boring!!!!

    by albert comin

    What's this people's obsession with going after the christ's stuff? What's next? Indiana Jones And The Piece Of The True Cross? Indiana Jones And The Shroud Of Turin? Indiana Jones and The Shoes Of The Fisherman? Indiana Jones And The Wine Of Cannah? Indiana Jones And The Jesus' Lost Trousers? Indiana Jones And The Toilet Paper Scroll Of The Essenes? Indiana Jones and Pilate's Hands Washing Basin? Indiana Jones And The Werewolf's Claw That Shows Up in Mel Gibson's The Passion Of Christ Despite There Being No Mention Of It In The Scriptures? Indiana Jones And The Salome's Panties Of Utter Sexual Arousal? Indiana Jones And The Coffe Table That Jesus Build But Didn't Mannaged To Sell? Indiana Jones And The Menstruation Tampon Of Mary Magdalene? Jesus, it's as if the only pieces of mythological objects worth of cool all belong the christian dogma and nothing else! Please!! Fuck's sake, people, use your imagination, or go hunt for really obscure but cool mythological stuff that belongs to different cultures or other cultures besides christian.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Not Sour Grapes but slighted


    I thought we were looking for something that can actually be made into a movie. Instead you gave what was really an angry post a box set. Really that is an insult to those who actually tried to come up with an original idea. I also have issues with the spear and destiny and the use of a jr. adventure novel but those two are not the out right slap in the face as the entry that mocks Lucas. You know why you received so many entries about Indy and Vietnam? B/c the last movie took place in 1957. Skull was supposed to capture elements of the 50's. Flying Saucers, Nuclear and the Cold war, etc. So Indy in Nam really is the next step. You should have just chosen the best Nam Idea. Although Lucas didn't care to play the Nazi card again in Skull, Dodd's idea is well written and thought out. Congrats. The rest ugh you could have picked better Kidd. two out of five sucks.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    You've Got to Be Joking...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...this, guys, is why you don't let an internet blogger judge contests. The winner's "original" idea includes Nazis - AGAIN. Holy items - AGAIN. And doesn't even remotely address Indy's advanced age or the times he lives in. Hate Indy IV all you want (I do), but at least it lived in the 50s and had nothing to do with Nazis. Out of the list, Abel is the clear winner. Outside of that, everyone touches on Nazis and religious artifacts. Wesley's is pure fan wank, recycling ideas already pillaged TO DEATH in the series.

  • The story has been floating around and mentioned numerous times on messageboards, so you threw in that little pre-amble about every other relic having to do with Christ to make it seem like that was your justification for it. You're defensive because of your guilty conscience. Was an Indy blu-ray set worth having the internet world know you're a plagiarist? You protest too much, Gary Wild.

  • At least Mr Abel Gleason is on the joke and made a joke out of it. The rest are pure boredom of cliches. I'm not saying i could do better, but knowing i couldn't, i wouldn't had put my unoriginal thoughs to writing. Besides, it's such a bittersweet victory because you still get the Crystal Skull movie. Talk about pyrric victories!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Mine- Indiana Jones and the Sword of Damocles

    by akirakid

    I tied mine in to another myth and tied that to history saying that men of power in history had received a sword as a gift before their fall and that the communist Vietnamese were looking for it. Our government feared that it would be used against Kennedy and wanted Jones & Co. to find it first. But the Equus Fortunis (so named for the horse hair the held the sword over Damocles' head) were vowed to never let the sword fall into any hands again. I should have put in my post-credits sequence where Indy thought the sword destroyed but in actuality the sword was being put into the trunk of Kennedy's car in Dallas. This put a futility spin on Jones' work and also pulled in the Kennedy assassination. Maybe this would have put mine in the top 5 list! I like pubieforest's actual historical take on this same idea. So, if I had to lose to someone, my fedora is off to him for coming up with another amazing twist on the same idea!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST


    by Dranem

    I thought I had a chance with mine. Indy found a lost continenent under the south pole. Or something. Have to go back and look at it. Chthulu was in it!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Spear of Destiny was done

    by akirakid

    it's called "Constantine". The real problem with this contest is what came after Indy: Lara Croft, the "National Treasure" movies and the Dan Brown novel adaptations. Geez, you could even count the Richard Chamberlin "Alan Quartermain" movies. There have been so many treasure hunters and mythological objects found in films in the last 30 years that most ideas sound repeated or rehashed from other stories. That's probably why Lucas is having a difficult time coming up with a "good" MacGuffin for and Indy 5. He's trying to at least SOUND original.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Man, the "Jacob's Ladder" one gets worse every time I read it

    by dropofahat

    ..restores Indy’s and Marion’s Raiders youthful appearance (CGI!!) and reunites him with Sallah, Marcus Brody, Short Round, Belloq, and Allison Doody(CGI)!!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    For some reason, much of my previous post didn't show up...?

    by dropofahat

    I pointed out that the only part of it hat tied it to the previous movies was a face-palm of epic proportion (which I quoted, and was all that showed up!). And this was a WINNER, better than all the rest?? Come on...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST


    by 420 Boylston St

    in anyone's body. For christ sake Nazi's are done, played OUT! There are way too many great ideas for the russians. Just because crystal skull didn't portray the reds well doesn't mean they can't be great villians. as for the Kidd. FUCK YOU! Glad you're not really a person who read talent. AICN is all you'll have, BITCH!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Serpent Stone Idea - thoughts?

    by Josh

    Indiana Jones and the Thieves of the Serpent Stone It is 1960, a few years after the events of the Crystal Skull. The Nazi, Adolf Eichmann, a top murderer of Jews, has escaped custody for his crimes and is hiding in Argentina. Israeli intelligence contacts Indiana Jones and informs Jones that Eichmann is in pursuit of the Serpent Stone, a legendary stone that is known for curing poisoned blood, but also is rumored to confer enormous power on the possessor, endowing that man with the ability to kill other men by simply touching them while holding the stone. Jones agrees to hunt for the stone, and attempt to apprehend Eichmann and hand him over to the Israeli authorities, in exchange for getting to keep the stone. Jones gets one final bout with the hated Nazis, and has to confront his deep fear of snakes as he has to allow himself to be bitten by a venomous viper in order to test the powers of the magical stone.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST


    by Josh

    It was a good idea. Very clever. People are just bitter. Creativity should always be considered and rewarded.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST


    by Josh

    My thoughts exactly. I thought the idea was to be original. I thought of all 4 of the winning ideas, but didn't write them up because I thought the judges wanted something original. Oh well.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Bobo and Millskills...

    by PenultimateMan

    Thanks for the support. I never realised just how angry people get in the talkbacks here. What a waste.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, noon CST

    Bummed I didn't win, but had fun writing my entry

    by jim

    So, tell me, are all entries now officially property of Lucsafilms, or just the winning ones?

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST



    No anger towards you but directed at Billy for making such poor decisions. You don't need to defend your entry b/c in reality all it was in the end an angry post. The contest wasn't about writing 250 words about why Lucas is a disappointment. Billy decided to reward something he didn't ask for. I think that entities other people to be pissed.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Mystery of the Female Orgasm

    by Sodomy Redux

    This was my entry. I was just havin' fun: AMERICA, 1953 – Indiana Jones becomes embroiled in another thrilling adventure when he discovers that the publication of Kinsey’s seminal second work of sexology, Sexual Behavior of the Human Female, is actually a sinister, psychologically loaded subliminal-message-packed grimoire for the dissemination of Nazi eugenics and gender propaganda to a wholesome Middle American audience. It’s up to Indiana to infiltrate the evil Nazi-influenced Kinsey Institute, and steal the manuscript before it can be published. Did I mention that the Kinsey Institute is a hidden temple located in THE ANDES and is guarded by vat-grown 7-foot tall blonde purestrain Nazis of various genders? “Stop. Stay out of the lube.” Will Indy escape from the Kinsey Institute? Or will he fall victim to its perverse gauntlet? One thing is for sure: there’s going to be no *room* for love, Dr. Jones!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    And it also makes me think the contest was a fake...

  • chance with a serious entry. Otherwise mine would have been about nuked fridges and swinging monkeys, a character who screams "IIIInnndyyyyyyy" every 2 minutes, a secret sect of Thuggee Nazis working for the communists, the introduction of Indy's father's brother's newphew's cousin's former roommate as his sidekick, and a whole bunch of "Indy is old" jokes. Either that, or "Raiders of the Lost Ark" but completely redone via CGI, with Shia Labeouf AS Indy, and every shot being filled to the last pixel with CG people, animals, vehicles, birds, and snakes. And John Williams's soundtrack replaced by the music of "Train".

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by Josh

    LOL at the music of Train! Good one.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    @Mr big jim, i'd vote for yours to win.

    by albert comin

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    @ scirocco

    by Dranem

    Well, not so much a lost continent but a lost world under the continenet. I was referring to an artifact known as the Piri Reis Map which shows landmasses that could pre-date the ice caps over Antarctica. More info here:

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Damnit my entry was basically the same as Wesley's.

    by pax256

    That MacGuffin was too big to ignore and I suspect many entries used it. But he wins by not forgetting about the villains. I did, though my take on it has more archeological nuggets.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Fuckit heres my entry let me know what your peeps think:

    by pax256

    A globetrotting quest sent upon the discovery of a small 'mother city' buried under the sands of the Sahara. A city never destroyed with no ruins over it that’s over 12 000 years old pointing to early sophistication, knowledge and an unknown language and... to other old cities some of which are ruins under known cities... some of which are situated on coastlines that are now under water. Large skulls of a species of extinct (or are they?) humans called Boskop are found at the lost Saharan city. The quest is to a lost civilization of city states that mysteriously ended ~10 000 years ago and where it originated and how advanced it became. And what happened to it and where, if any, survivors went and were they with us and are they still with us today. And did they have anything to do with our own civilized beginnings... The teaser Macguffin is a piece of metalwork that showcases a metal age before the late stone age... On it is a design of a tree. Oddly advanced source maps of Piri Rei are found in old archives in Turkey that lead Indy to the source of the Euphrates and Tigris and the find that a large flooding of the Black Sea in ancient times led people to flee inland where they find what was once an idyllic valley near a place called Nod. In that valley now mostly dry but a few trees remain. And they bear fruits like no other...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    My other idea

    by Josh

    Even though no one has commented on my previous idea, I"ll share my runner-up idea. I was thinking about using the idea of advanced civilizations and technology (designs for flying machines during ancient times) as the catalyst for Jones pursuing some sort of device that has been the inspiration behind many of the great technological leaps of the past few hundred years. IE, there is a way to access great knowledge that can be used for good or evil. Indy is always pursuing knowledge, and it seems like the only thing that a retired Indy would still pursue.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST


    by Josh

    Sounds too complex. Are you getting at Eden? I think simple works better. Just my two cents, but I lost, so what do I know?

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Ideas that I ruled out, and reasons why:

    by Josh

  • The MacGuffin was the Hope Diamond. It dates back several million (possibly billion) years, but we only have knowledge of its ownership from 1604 (thereabouts) onward. The diamond was actually part of a device that revealed the lost city of Atlantis. Atlantis would be depicted not as a city that sunk but as one with the ability to move around time constantly. When the diamond was lost, Atlantis became stuck in the distant future. I wanted to have a return to the treasure hunter aspect of the earlier films while keeping intact the move into the future and the influence of 50's scifi as opposed to 30's pulp. It was a mediocre idea at best but I had fun thinking it up over lunch. Wesley Dodd's is pretty damn great, especially considering that it would seemingly provide a definite end to Indy's story, something I think the character deserves.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Oops. Here are the ideas:

    by Josh

    Eden: too obvious. Plus, the location is not a secret. It just isn't there anymore, if you believe it ever was. The bible says the location. Atlantis: been done, and Indiana Jones doesn't feel right for something so water-centric El Dorado (or other city of gold): anything treasure related has been done to death, especially by the National Treasure movies (which also rules out American history/artifacts, and any sort of redeeming his good name plot ideas) Camelot - not reality-based enough Bermuda Triangle: been done, and too obvious. PLus, again, Indy in water? Nah. Sword of Golgotha: too obvious, and people really hate anything having to do with Jesus, it seems. The other ark: Too much other Noah stuff going on, plus what is the point? There has to be competition and danger. Greek fire: would be interesting to me, but I doubt greek fire would be very relevant in modern warfare anyway. Well anyway, those are some of my thoughts on things I ruled out.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Couple more I ruled out

    by Josh

    Anything having to do with the greek gods, cuz it is too ridiculous. And anything having to do with the Vatican or Catholicism because of the Davinci movies.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    A lot of pissed off nerds up in here

    by HollyW00d

    I'm laughing my ass off. Sorry you didn't win a free box set with your terrible idea. Guess you're going to have to work a few extra hours at the popcorn stand or Toys R' Us to pay for your own.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST


    by BlaGyver

    The diamond was the key to the device which allowed Atlantis to move throughout time functioning.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    @Mr dranem

    by albert comin

    You mean a sort of telluric advanced civilization living in antarctica. It's an interesting idea to be sure, however Antartica is a frozen continent with icecaps thousand of miles thick for millions of years already. The last time Antarctica was a lush place the dinosaurs walked the Earth. It's also the driest place on Earth, despite all the ice. There's very little moisture in antarctica's atmosphere, to the point it has the driest places on Earth. Even in places without icecaps, it would still be 50 times drier then the Sahara, no kidding. A telluric civilization to endure there would need to be alien civilization advanced. And after Crystal Skull, advanced alien civilizations in an Indy adventure has left me a bitter taste in my mouth.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST

    @Mr millskills

    by albert comin

    Indy looking for El Dorado is actually a good idea. There is a slight plausability to the idea of el dorado, whcih was based on accounts by Orellana that there was a high indian civilization in the amazons, which actually did existed, but for some strange reason it disapeared between his time and when white explorers visited the place again. They didn't build stone buildings, but they had a nation who had an active trading all along the amazon river, and ina short time, it all disapeared. Also, El dorado is an oportunity to put indy in South America again, and another oportunity to make us of the exotic locations of the spanish mainland. Indy and senoritas! Also, Indy was always a bit of a mercenary, and it is not implausible that he would try to find a quick way to get rich by finding a fabulous treasure that would make the inca riches look a beggarman's purse. An older indy doing his last bid to untold riches sound slike a good notion to me, as if he feels entitled to be rich after all the adventures he went through and always coming off short and empty handed in the end. Good idea, friend.

  • And Atlantis sould notbe some techological advanced civilization, but a typical minonean type civilization of the time but who were the guardians of some terrible artifact from powerful dangerous god or supernatural force, or an arcane secret that could prove dangerous to the world if unleashed. Like, say, a sure way to make people in mass lose their free will and do the bidding like zombie slaves of the man who knows such secrets.

  • And Atlantis should not be some technological advanced civilization thanks to alien help, but a typical minonean type civilization of the time but who were the guardians of some terrible artifact from a powerful dangerous god or supernatural force, or th guardians of an arcane secret that could prove too dangerous to the world if unleashed. Like, say, a sure way to make people in mass lose their free will and do the bidding like zombie slaves of the man who knows such secrets.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    RE: Omega Book

    by Max Heesch

    @kortan_askew: I meant junior novel in the sense that it was written for kids (or at least I read it as a kid). I assumed it was a made-up MacGuffin, and yes, the objects in the series thus far have been historically factual (in that they do exist or have been recorded to exist), but the idea of the object just stuck with me and I thought it would be a decent treasure worthy of hunting for.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    @ millskills

    by pax256

    Or shade of Eden... my ultimate issue would be what if an earthly Eden was affected or made by an advanced civilization (you leave it open ended and as to how access to its trees would be limited..."angels preventing access to the tree of life" per the biblical story...). Alternative diets that give health and knowledge has become a theme of late. Some biologists think our brain evolved and grew because of what we ate. And has actually shrunk in the last few thousands years because of diet changes. Some say because we dont need to be as aware of our environment out of fear of predators on a constant basis and some say out of dietary changes from the age of hunter gatherers to agriculture and its starch and protein based diet. But what if an ancient civilization made food that was incredibly good for us in many ways. In order to return to an eidetic civilization or to save it. A civilization based on perfect memory with little need for writing or other symbolic baubles initially leaving little evidence for us to find. Until Indy come along... Even an earthly man made shade of eden could be amazing as well as pointing in subtle ways to the real one...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by pax256

    Is the serpent stone idea historical?

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    @ millskills

    by pax256

    Your runner up idea (based on hindu vimana stories of flying machines I imagine) is part and parcel of the current lost civilization hypotheses. I see it as part of the reason that previous civilization failed. 3 main reasons. Loss of eidetic memory forcing a fundamental change into how that civilization worked. Losing intelligence also means having to find alternative means of saving information. Language (if it existed over and above telepathy or, better, what I think should be touch telepathic transmission of information) and writing have to evolve quickly in the midsts of dropping IQ. But the city states are small and socially/culturally isolated from each other to some degree. The other reason is climate change we know occurred at the time. The third which includes machines used in war is a competition for something that is scarce. Maybe a difficult to find food that helps eidetic memory. A 4rth could be the recent discovery of a comet/asteroid strike near Younger Dryas. enough bad things happen at once and any civilization can be felled.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Eden is not the name of the garden. The garden IS IN Eden.

    by albert comin

    Eden was a place tat correspond today to the south of Iraq. Te bible mentions the garden of Eden, not that the garden was called Eden. This means that te garden wasa paradise on Earth located at the region o Eden. The bible itself even points to the location. When Adam and Eve were expelled, all they need to go about the earth was just to walk away from the Eden region. Walk away. No mystical deslocation from a place in the clouds to downtown Earth. The reason God even puts two seraphim guarding the entrance of the garden is because it could be acessed back on foot for Adam and Eve, so they are there to bar thei entrance. A funny thing is tha so many commom accumptions based on the bibe a in fact based on erroneous perceptions and spreaded out through cultural osmosis,and this also icludes the people who supposedly claim they read i religiously. Though that might be the problem itself, that they read it religously instead of critically.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    @ scirocco: I know but Eden was a valley in Eastern Turkey.

    by pax256

    Its fairly large. The garden itself would be a small area in some niche of it. I dont know why some think its elsewhere. The valley is both the source of the Tigris and Euphrates and some now dried up rivers. Nod is an area near the valley. The locals still call it that today. Tree stumps found in the valley show it was a lot rainier area in the past. Probably the last ice age when we were still hunter gatherers. What makes the whole story even more compelling is that the nearby Black Sea flooded and its sea level rose 300 feet in a matter of days/weeks at about the same time.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    For what its worth...

    by Etienne72772

    I also had thought of most of the ideas that won, but figured they were too obvious, and I wanted to stay away from Nazis. I know Soviets were touched on in the last one, but I thought that could be a uniting strain to this one. Now, I am not crazy about the skull being the holder for the Fire (given "Crystal Skull"), but I went with the myth as it exists. Anyway, here is my entry: Federal agents, impressed by Jones' encounter with the Soviets, enlist his help to go behind the Iron Curtain. Spies indicate that Russia has begun an expedition into the ancient Bialowieza Forest in search of the famed "Fire of Baba Yaga". Baba Yaga, a mythological witch of the ancient forest can be devastatingly cruel, devouring victims with her iron teeth, but beautiful and helpful to true heroes. In Russian folklore, "Vasilia” is a girl whose stepmother forces her into the forest to steal Baba’s fire. Upon finding Baba, she is made to do nearly impossible tasks. But a magic doll given by her mother on her deathbed helps her triumph. Impressed, Baba gives her the "Fire" within a skull lantern mounted on a pole. When Vasilia returns, the Fire causes her stepmother to burn to ashes. Vasilia buries the skull deep in the forest so nobody is again harmed. Over time, Vasilia’s artistry in weaving impresses the Tsar, who marries her. Not content to have harnessed atomic power as the Cold War builds in the 1960s, Russia wishes for a more controllable source of power - something that can be used against enemy armies without harming Russian soldiers. Most believe the "Fire of Baba Yaga" to be a children's story, but ancient tapestries are found in Russia, believed to have been woven by Vasilia herself, including information and maps concerning the location of the Fire in the ancient forest. Of course, Indy is sent to find the Fire first. Unfortunately, I ran out of room, because I had some ideas of the doll being passed down to an orphan Russian girl who helps Indy complete the task, who Indy then adopts and brings back to the States. Thought there were themes in this idea that had not been explored yet, at least not fully in the other movies. And I thought peaking behind the Iron Curtain in the 1950s-60s would be kind of cool...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST


    by HornOrSilk

    Once again, a much better idea than any of the winners

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST


    by Josh

    I like it. Very interesting stuff.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST


    by Josh

    Yes, the serpent-stones are historical. They are/were used to get poisons out of blood. Supposedly the stones cling to the skin until the venom is all out, and then they fall off. I did some digging because the idea sounded cool, but I didn't think that power in itself was sufficient, but then I found an article about how certain serpent-stones were supposed to give power to those that possess them beyond just the venom-sucking powers. Also, the part about Jews finding Eichmann there around that time is true. I just thought Indy could link those things together. I didn't shy away from using the idea of Nazis, mostly because since Indy "hates these guys", it might be the hook that pulls him out of retirement. Moreso than say, Russians, or the like.

  • Operation paperclip and expat nazis from south america, the soviets and the early religious right wingers obsessed with finding Noah's Ark at the time. Indy having multiple enemies makes for a good last flick. I like any original idea tho. Lesser known histories make for good stories.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST

    @Mr pax256

    by albert comin

    No no, it's the other way around. Eden was placed at what is today's south Iraq, not northern turkey. You see, a common mistake people make is to take literally what ancient texts say about the begining of rivers. Back in those ancient days, people took the beginingof a river not at he source but at it's mouth, where it joins the sea. All ancient descriptions of rivers have them dexcribed from the mouth to the sourse. For example, the Nile is constnatly described from it's delta toward inward. So, in the bible, when they ay the euphrades and tigris are both originated in Eden, it means what we today would call their mouths, were in Eden. No, the ancients didn't though the rivers run upwards, they just had a different way to represent them. Like how maps today always are north oriented, that didn't happened in ancient times either. You know? So, again, all the descriptions point to Eden being in today's south Iraq. So, Eden is not a valley but in fact quite the opposite, an open area full of lush vegetation and wild life. and that was how south Iraq was back then at the time of the earlier Sumerian civilization. What is today a desert was back then quite a fertille paradise.

  • Also if we could go back to early or pre history and find out the original fable that gave rise to the eden story what rivers would we find? Are there four rivers (2 now dry that can be seen in south Iraq/Kuwait with the 2 surviving ones)? People lived on the shoreline originally making both the idea of end of rivers as sources good and bad. But theres no mention of seas in eden in genesis... What about the land of Nod being nearby the valley in Turkey? I saw a docu with an archeologist that made a simple journey up the rivers showcasing how that area made sense as Eden. He made a compelling argument that what genesis and its sources, really tells us is the transition from a relatively carefree life as hunter gatherers to the harder life of agriculture. It made the story both remarkably ancient and grounded in historical fact. Now there are 2 tellings in genesis of creation. Its possible that both those areas at the end and beginning of those rivers are used in the story we have today. I wouldnt be surprised also that the story of the mouth of the rivers was quite a bit further south when ocean levels were lower...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    @Mr pax256

    by albert comin

    The mouths of the euphrades and tigris was indeed futher north then it is today, due to still. That is also part of the reason why the area is a dr desert today nd not to lush fertille land it used to be. There is some speculation that the two other mentioned rivers that do not exist today have either dried up or were in man made canals, something the sumerians and their sucessors the akkadians were famous for. It stands to reason those man made canals also had names, and that later, when the bible was put to writen form, a thousand years after or more, by people from the other side of the levante, they could had mistaken a man made canal for a true river. Maybe in their minds there was no much difference between one and the other. The ancient israelittes were notorious for being little versed in matters of astronomy, mathematics or construction (the very thing the people who lived in Mesopotamia were experts), they were quite a backward people. I know not much about the land of Nod, so i can't help with you there, friend. But it stands to reason that it must had not been that futher away from Eden. I also think here i a sumerian origin to the myths concerning Eden and Nod and all that business. The fact this stories are placed there in what was once he cradle of the sumerian civilizaton cannot be entirely coincidental. Many of the stories in the bible concerning genesis are indeed of sumerian and akkadian origin, like the story of the Flood. So, all stories from Genesis are prretty much situated in what we could call today the lower part of Mesopotamia. Abraham himself cames from Ur, enough said! There is indeed two myths of ceation n Genesis, or rather, two different tellings of creation, and they conflit with one another. A fact rarely mentioned by the more devout, curious enough. For a book that's th perfect word of god, often times it doesn't seem to make up it's own in about things or which version of events is right.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST

    These are terrible

    by Laurence Quint

    Okay, I am going to sound bitter. Okay, I am a bitter. I don't care one whit about the prizes. I did not expect to win. However, neither did I expect to lose to Garden of Eden and Spear of Destiny, the most derivative, uninspired, repetitive, banal and oft-discussed ideas that have been kicking around the internet since even way before Indy IV. There must have been dozens of submissions with those ideas. I did not expect that three of the "winning" ideas would employ neo-Nazis, taking those submissions to even greater levels of lame, obviousy hackery. I did not expect that someone who openly pilfer an idea from one of the Indy books. (though, I gotta admire his honesty...) And I didn't expect that one of the winners would just be more tiresome Lucas bashing. Yes, we get it. Yes, Lucas is a boob. Ho ho. Everyone knows it, it's not fresh or original. It's boring at this point. Though, in fairness, the write-up itself was modestly amusing. But, come on... I did really like the Jacob's Ladder idea. Props there. A well-deserved win. Though it's a Biblical quest (and haven't we gone to that well enough already?), it actually feels pretty new and interesting. But as for the rest - bleh.

  • Its hard to believe they wouldnt have a good notion of basic human constructions. The ancient semitic empires themselves like the Hittites were no stranger to large constructions... I cant follow you on that notion...

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Mine was the best. Fact!

    by bdc777

    I was most likely disqualified because the email never went through and I didn't receive the failure notice until the next night. It said that AICN's server took to long. I defy anybody here to read the following submission and tell me just how it wasn't the best! Newly retired Dean of Marshall College, Dr. Henry Jones Jr., is in London being presented an honorary knighthood by the Queen for bravery in WWII. While there he is reunited with Dr. Jakob Lipman, a fellow archaeologist and close friend whom Indy helped free from Auschwitz. Lipman invites Indy to a meeting with a Mossad agent named Helen Scherner. At the meeting Agent Scherner shows Indy proof that escaped Nazis, living in Brazil, are pursuing the Spear of Longinus, the lance used to pierce the side of Jesus at the crucifixion. The Mossad fears that they will use the power of the Holy Lance to build a super-weapon and destroy Israel. Despite his initial reluctance, Indy agrees to accompany Agent Scherner to South America to help find it. In Brazil, Indy and Scherner come across the trail of former SS officer Heinrich Dambaucher, a notoriously vicious Nazi Colonel who oversaw expeditions all over the globe in search of occult artifacts for Adolf Hitler. After Colonel Dambaucher narrowly escapes, Indy and Scherner follow him to the island of Anholt in Denmark where it is believed that the Holy Lance was recently recovered in the wreckage of the U-534. While on the island Indy and Scherner are taken into custody by the CIA after they disrupted a clandestine attempt to recover the Holy Lance themselves. Agent Henry "Mutt" Williams, Indy's estranged son, convinces Indy to take him along to the Golan Heights to stop Dambaucher from his sinister plan!

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST


    by bdc777

    ... if I were Paramount I would say "FUCK YOU" for awarding someone who made fun of the people behind the very product they have provided to you for this contest. That is extremely immature and unprofessional Kidd. You should be ashamed of yourself.

  • Indiana Jones and the Sword of Kings 1961. JFK is obsessed with finding Excalibur. In the 1940s the sword was recovered by Joe Kennedy but was lost when he was killed. The US Government recruits retired professor Indiana Jones. Indy turns them down, they ask "Mutt" to do it. Indy is urged by Marion to go with Mutt who is not "up to the challenge". Reluctantly, Indy goes. In the jungles of Vietnam, Indy meets up with Chinese and Russian adventurers - after globe trotting chases - aboard subs, and a climatic ending at the North Pole - Indy recovers Excalibur - but Kennedy is acting very "power" mad when he gets it in his hands and talks about ruling the world. Indy takes Excalibur from Kennedy. It is too powerful for anyone on earth to wield. Kennedy agrees and says he will run the country without any mystical power protecting him. He tells Indy it would take a man of with a strong arm and pure spirit not take the magic sword and be tempted to use it. He assures Indy that Excalibur will be placed somewhere safe from mankind. Indy and Mutt return home to Marion. 1969. The Moon. Neil Armstrong removes a box from the lander and reads a letter from JFK. He opens the box and takes Excalibur out. He holds it and stares at it, and then tosses it into the “sea of tranquility”. The lander blasts off and covers Excalibur under moon dust.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    My idea was Indiana Jones and the Sword in the Stone.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    The Paramount mountain dissolves into a white mountain of snow against an azure sky. Two snowmobiles blast through the snow drift and drive across a vast barren flat landscape covered in snow as the sun begins to set. They stop, drop some shovels into the snow and start digging. 1962. As the sun sets on the flat horizon one of the diggers, silhouetted, throws back his hood and puts on his fedora. The other digger is Sallah complaining about the cold. The shovels hit rock, lit by the snowmobile headlights Indy lifts a carved stone covered in Norse runes. Suddenly two wolves are growling at them, but it's revealed the the wolves are part of a dogsled team with an old angry Norweigian carrying a gun. Another dogsled team with another angry Norweigian slides into frame. The Norweigians argue and it escalates. Indy and Sallah see this as their opportunity to leave. Sallah jumps on the bed of sled with the Runesstone and yells "Mush!" nothing happens. Indy jumps on the back rails and yells "Mush" and nothing happens. The angry Norwegians stop yelling and look deadpan at Indy and Sallah trying to mush the dogs. Both Norwegians lift their guns and start yelling. Indy's whip disarms them, the whip cracks, and dogs start running toward the lights of the town in the distance. What follows is a hilarious action filled dogsled and snowmobile chase across the barren waste that ends in the village surrounded by angry Norweigians and cop cars. Sallah says, "What a strange land this is!" Indy looks up at a billboard that says, "Velkommen, to Fargo, North Dakota." Anyways, that embarrassing incident gets resolved and... Henry Jones Sr. alive! Filmed on location in Scotland! This why Mr. Connery would come out of retirement! Senior faked his death! He's Friends with C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien and T.H. White! And Senior is pretty damned sure he has a clue on where to find the Sword in the Stone! But that's just a bunch of children's stories. What if the sword was never pulled from the stone?... Clearly Senior has lost it, but Indy can't talk him out of it, and Indy struggles to keep up! Chased by the IRA! Seduced by MI6! Bruised by the KGB! Conned by the CIA! Bad-ass Aston Martin car chase! Wille Scott performance in Edinburgh! Comedic action hi-jinks during some highland games! Indy pulling out the Sword in the Stone! You know what happens.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    My Idea was the Golden Fleece and a few Greek Gods

    by TKettlewasp

    Give the Nazi's a rest. I think a few others need a chance..Like Bluto or badguy #1 from a Kojak episode. Mine had Indie in Greece were he meets a disguised Apollo, and a few others as they lead Indie to the golden fleece. The bad guys are The Order the Golden Fleece. The Fleece was made by Ares and they think they can summon him and take over were tthe Germans stopped..... The order is for real and alive to this day.....

  • Stink awful, especially the Kennedy references.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Wow. Feeling REALLY butt-hurt about this.

    by Joey_Redballs

    Here was mine: Indiana Jones and the Inferno of the Abyss Indy journeys to the Himalaya Mountains, seeking an ancient culture rumored to have chosen not to eat from the Tree of Knowledge. With no written language, they have not evolved intellectually or...physically. The local legends call them "Yeti". Indy is even more fascinated by the legend of what the Yeti protect, a great treasure near the center of the Earth. Indy must climb great mountains, only to descend into this "Hole to Hell", from which many men have never returned. The few that did, turned back after hearing a thousand screams of agony. Indy follows those screams to an closed off, infinitely dark chamber filled with maddening sounds of terror. Rather than flee, he illuminates the chamber with fire to reveal he is completely surrounded by reflective diamond. Indy has crawled inside a giant Devil's Toybox! Indy is transported to another dimension, where he faces every imagineable interpretation of Hell, complete with confrontations with evil enemies from long ago: Toht, Mola Ram, Nazis, Hitler, Satan...Alien Demon Souls? (Ok. No alien souls! Too much like Indy 4 and a certain "ology") How can Indy's knowlege of The Lost Arc and The Holy Grail help him escape a place where God does not exist? (Alternate Title: Indiana Jones and the Chamber of Fire)

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST

    This article disappeared from the front page really quick.

    by Xen11

  • I'm really interested to see reactions. I'd like to see if my entry was appreciated. I'd love to see a vote on what entries people dig and which ones would be considered too boring. The Kidd, you have gold here to mine. I suggest you use it and we'd have a lot of fun discussing all the different ideas and see the readers' favorites.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    @Mr pax256

    by albert comin

    The ancient israelittes were very poor in areas of knowledge and construction. Their exposure to great building civilizations made them aware of who to hire when they wanted to make a big building for themselves, like the Temple Of Solomon. Remember, even the bible itself says the temple was outsourced. Their exposure doesn't mean they took it upon themselves to learn to be as good as the bigger nations around. Hell, the isrealittes didn't even founded cities, they merely conquered them. They sure didn't founded Jerusalem, they took it from the native people who build it. And then there's the fact they spent half their ancient history and all of their later history subjugated to foreign powers, be they the new egypt empire, the hittites, the akkadians, the assirians, the babylonians, the persians, the seleucid empire, the ptolomaic empire, rome, byzantine empire, the caliphates, the crusade kingdom, the turkish empire, etc etc.

  • INDIANA JONES AND THE CAVE OF ECHOES Dr. Henry Jones Jr. is slowly losing his memory from a dastardly disease. He reads about his old pal, Short-Round ("Wan Li", who is now an archaeologist), heading an excavation with his son, Han, within Mount Koya located in Japan. His son went missing in the caves while they were digging for the artifact, a trident, known as KONGO. This item is the Japanese equivalent of a vajra and is said to provide men with wisdom from its flames. Fire representing the knowledge that separates man from animal. Dr. Jones takes it upon himself to go there and help find Han. Indiana Jones makes his entrance to Short Round inside the caves. They embrace and continue the search. Indy helps them get deeper within through secret passageways. Strange occurrences happen and everyone is spooked leaving Indy and his old pal the only two left. During their journey, they reminisce about old times. Suddenly they are forcefully separated through two paths; trapped on the path they are on. Indy starts to hallucinate, seeing old companions; mirages that accompany him and help him recall things to get through this quest. A vision of Short Round as a kid turns into Mutt who eventually turns into his father, Henry Jones Sr. Indy is traveling through his past; his mind; his memories. The boy, Han, represents his struggle to regain his youth. Indy must traverse five trials (the five stages of wisdom/enlightenment): The first poison (greed,pride) is represented by the Sankara Stones, when retrieved gives him the wisdom of equanimity. The second poison (desire) is represented by the Ark of the Covenant, when retrieved gives him the wisdom of individuality. The third poison (anger,hatred) is represented by the Holy Grail, when retrieved gives him the wisdom of self-reflection. The fourth poison (envy) is represented by the Crystal Skull, when retrieved gives him the wisdom of accomplishment. The fifth poison (delusion) is represented by the Trident of Kongo, when retrieved gives him the wisdom of reality. When reaching the trident protected by a statue of the owner, Koya-No-Myoin, hunter god with a red face guarded by two hounds. Indy is trapped in a delusion that sees him and his father battling these two dogs and the red-faced hunter. The illusions are defeated as Indy grabs the trident. It emits the bright light of wisdom. Indy closes his eyes from the light. He suddenly feels it go dark, he peaks with his right eye and lightning shoots through it as the eyes are the window to the soul and the sponges of wisdom. This permanently blinds Indiana in his right eye. It is ambiguous as to whether this cures Indy of his disease or if it gives him vast knowledge (or half). The caves shake as Indy struggles to make it out. The trident is thrust out of his hand and towards an abyss. Indy slides and grabs it as the trident begins to fall, holding on to the edge with all his might. His father is holding on to the other end of the trident slowly pulling Indy in with him. In his father's hand is Indy's hat. His father speaks, "Indiana, let it go." Indy lets his past go. The steam from the abyss shoots his fedora back up to him as it lands on his body while he is on the ground heaving for air. Indy puts his hat back on and gets himself out of there. Along the way, he finds the boy, Han. As Indy exits the caves, he finds Short Round. Han runs to his father. Father and son reunited. "I'm sorry you lost your eye, my friend. The least I can do is give you mine." Short Round reaches into his pocket and throws Indy the Peacock's Eye. Heading to safety, the two admit to why they both would want the Trident of Kongo. Indy talks about wanting the knowledge to cure his Alzheimer's disease. Short Round talks of wanting the knowledge of who specifically killed his family when the Japanese bombed Shanghai in 1932. Indy says, "Sometimes we have to learn to willingly let go of the past ... where it belongs." His last adventure complete; we see Indy on a boat floating towards the sun setting, on the life he knows, on the life he knew.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    My submitted entry after editing it down to 250 words:

    by Xen11

    INDIANA JONES AND THE CAVE OF ECHOES Short Round and son, Han, excavate the caves of Mount Koya in Japan for the Trident of Kongo, which belonged to the god - KOYA-NO-MYOIN - a red-faced hunter with two guard hounds. Han goes missing. Indy hears this and goes to find him. Also, the Trident might cure him of his disease (or give him the knowledge to stop it) that's taking away his memory, his very being. The staff grants godly wisdom and insight. Indy gets isolated in the caves while facing illusions of the past. The Kongo symbolizes five wisdoms. He must endure five trials (five poisons) while retrieving five items: POISON ITEM WISDOM GAINED Greed/Pride Sankara Stones Equanimity Desire Ark of the Covenant Individuality Anger/Hatred Holy Grail Self-Reflection Envy Crystal Skull Accomplishment Delusion Trident of Kongo Reality Imagining his father by his side, Indy retrieves the items and defeats the god and his hounds. He loses his right eye from the trident shooting lightning (knowledge) through a window to the soul. Indy peaked. The caves rumble; Indy grabs the Trident lingering near an abyss. His father is holding on to the other end, "Indiana, let it go." Indy lets his past go. He finds the boy (representing his youth) and escapes. Short Round throws Indy the Peacock's Eye as a gesture of gratitude and a relic of old-times. His last adventure complete; we see Indy on a boat floating towards the sun setting, on the life he knows; on the life he knew.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Joey redballs

    by Bobo_Vision

    Interesting premise. The problem I see with it, though, is that the supernatural forces in Indy films tend to destroy the baddies, not Indy. Indy usually faces man-made challenges or baddies. To have him face-off against the evil supernatural force itself would kill the internal consistency of the series.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    @Mr bobo_vision

    by albert comin

    Agree. That was the only thing that the exacrable Crystal Skull got right.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    @Joey Redballs

    by Josh

    Sounds more like a horror movie.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST

    @Kidd - I agree with Xen

    by Josh

    This is pure gold. Can we do something else with this? We want runner-ups!

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST


    by Josh

    It was interesting and well-written, but I think it was too complicated for an Indy film. It sounds more like a Christopher Nolan film than a Lucas/Spielberg film. But, neat idea. Very well thought out. It just seems more like a psychological thriller than an Indiana Jones movie.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones and the Star Wars

    by Moedred

    1968. Britain sends Indy to investigate a medieval ghost ship which appeared near the Bermuda Triangle during a hurricane. Cloaked figures plunder its cargo, Excalibur. Indy fights and pursues them to the Bahamas and retrieves Excalibur from the Duchess of Windsor, hoping to reclaim the throne. Landing at Cape Canaveral, Indy helplessly watches Excalibur lift off with Apollo 8 to be jettisoned into Lacus Oblivionis on the far side of the moon. NASA enlists Indy: legend says the Lighthouse of Alexandria could ignite a ship on the horizon. Indy suspects it featured the lens from Archimedes death ray, lost at the siege of Syracuse 35 years earlier. Meanwhile, Mutt documents the grail temple ruins and encounters Elsa, who hasn’t aged. She seduces Mutt before Indy can stop them, and later reveals she's pregnant... but by Jones I, II or III? Russians acquire the lens, forcing Indy to stow away on a Soyuz rocket to dismantle the retrofitted weaponized satellite. Back on Earth, he’s placed in a Soviet cyclotron, the beam focused through the lens – on him! Accelerated particles create a wormhole through which Indy stumbles with the lens of apparent alien design. Indy emerges when the cyclotron is decommissioned in present day under the supervision of a British Lord. Turns out his mother, Elsa (now played by Alison Doody) proved his noble lineage through genetic testing after the grail knight revived and bedded her with the help of the grail and liquid Viagra.

  • Sept. 30, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Indiana Jones 5

    by Jack Weber

    Like most of those ideas, but the fact that Gleason's was actually counted as a winner really pisses me off. That was a joke, not a real Indiana Jones 5 pitch. The idea up there that I like the best is the one about the Garden of Eden. However I personally avoided using Nazis and or Judeo-Christian Artifacts because we have seen them used (and very well) in two movies of the series already. Whatever the case incase anyone's interested mine involved the Viet Cong, a rogue Chinese General, and an Irish Archaeologist Rival of Indy (Who is essentially the "Anti-Indy" as bad guys and the return of Short Round and Mutt, who start out at odds (Short Round having had a bad falling out with Indy in the past) but are forced to work together to rescue Indy before the main brunt of the adventure where they have to race across Asia to find the legendary sword Thuận Thiên that was said to belong with the old Chinse emperor Lê Lợi that was said to give one man the power of a thousand. Whatever, I liked most of the winners anyway. I guess this is what the IndyFanFictionWiki is for then.