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Do You Want To Watch Devin Faraci Get His Ass Handed To Him By Joe Swanberg?

Nordling here.

I'm an unabashed fan of Devin Faraci, and I don't care who knows it.  I think he has a really great prose style, and even when I don't agree with him I always know how he came to his conclusions.  That said, if you don't know him socially he can come off as caustic and abrasive.  Passionate people often are.

Last night, Devin challenged Joe Swanberg, the "King of Mumblecore", to a very dry, reasoned debate on the quality of the genre.  Oh, who am I kidding - the Fantastic Debates are never about the intelligentsia calmly discussing in a rational manner about their intellectual prowess.  There's insults, impassioned discusion, more insults, and then they beat the shit out of each other.  Devin holds the strongly held opinion that mumblecore as a style of filmmaking is essentially worthless, and Swanberg, of course takes the opposite view.  I admire Devin's wit here, but I also think Swanberg raised some good points and spoke from the heart.

Did they settle the debate?  Judge for yourself... but the fighting was pretty decisive.  Swanberg, to put it mildly, cleaned Devin's fucking clock.

Personally, I can take or leave mumblecore, depending on how well each particular movie works.  But judging from this fight, the decision has been taken out of our hands - mumblecore will be here to stay.

Nordling, out.  Follw me on Twitter!

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  • Sept. 23, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Faraci's an asshole.

    by DanielPlainviewOnVacationInBoston

    But he's a damn good writer. As a Swanberg fan, though, I loved that video.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Faraci is a hipster douchebag who needs to die in a fire.

    by Jobacca

    Nah....I wouldnt wish that on any fire.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    HAW HAW!!

    by Cold_Canuck

    Devin finally got what was coming to him. I used to go to CHUD, but he's the reason I stopped going. The guy is just a dick!

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    I do not get the term Mumblecore

    by Lord Elric

    The films listed as Mumblecore are not that different then what's been going on in Indie films since the 90's. Why the new term.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Jim Carrey in costume in Kick-Ass 2 is cool..

    by kstewandthecuntsman

    Hell, even the trailer for Vamps was kind of cool. I have no fucking idea what this article is about, nor do I care. Maybe the people bitching about the state of this site are actually onto something..

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    VIOLENCE SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS!!!! FACT!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Dandelion.

    Laws are just something old people and fat unfit douchebags made up so they wouldn't get killed by all the strong and powerful young people. I'm so sick of our society where no one can lay a hand on another without potentially going to jail for it. People deserve to get their ass kicked all the time, and if they did the world would be a lot better for it. I really wish I lived in another era, where if you killed someone for stealing some of your shit, or banging your wife, you were heralded as a champion and an honorable man rather than getting shit on and thrown in jail.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    HAHA FUCK THAT LUMP OF SHIT!!!

    by Browncoat_Jedi

    Been waiting for this assrape forever. What a douchebag.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    yay

    by ghoulstock

    I've honestly never heard of Swanberg, but seeing him beat the shit out of Devin has certainly made my day. I don't care how good of a writer Devin is (and honestly, he's not really THAT good), he's pretty much a professional troll at this point, not a film critic. And it's about time someone put him in his place.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Why would Faraci opposed mumblecore cinema? Makes no sense!

    by albert comin

    It's just more cinema done, outside Holywood's compartimentized system. Who knows where the next Kubrick might show up? Perhaps there already is one doing his first steps in mumblecore. So why should anybody oppose it? And what's the deal with Faraci's enemity of movies with more free form type of narratives? Does he think that the only type of narrative that matters is where things happen by going A to B to C? And self-indulgence? Most art IS self-indulgent, if you chose to see it that way. I mean, look at Bethoeven, he didn't give a fuck about the nobility who up to then used musicians and composers as their private employees, Bethoeven composed for himself, and look at what he did! He was being self-indulgence, you could say, but he create masterpieces of world music. I just don't get this Faraci dude. What does he really want from movies?

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    And what's with Faraci's dressing? He looks like Demis Roussos!

    by albert comin

    He really let himself go!

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST

    the fact that hes such an asshole is almost incidental.

    by dahveed1972

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    I admire Devin's wit

    by moonlightdrive

    Virtually none in the clip. A longer discussion would have been better before the fisticuffs.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    difference between current indie and 90's indie….

    by Jt

    while a lot of current indie movies have great stories, there some times annoying to watch at moments because they will be set in modern times yet you will see 70's clothing style, 70's technology, and 70's interior design. 90's indie movies didn't have that.

  • Possibly the video youtube was invented for. Devin Faraci, the guy that thought Terminator Salvation was better than Avatar, getting a major ass kicking. Superb.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Joe Swanberg didn't do this in the nude?

    by fustfick

    Just imagine Faraci getting his clock cleaned by a naked Joe Swanberg. Or don't. I don't care.

  • Or hot oil. Either one.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Avatar was not incoherent story telling

    by jack

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Devin needs to stick to the two things he does best...

    by Jobacca

    "Ironically" failing at karaoke and masturbating with a Mego Planet of the Apes doll shoved up his fat ass.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    I'd rather seen Megan Grandin get her ass handed to her by Robin Silverberg.

    by Margot Tenenbaum

    Exactly.

  • I've been a fan of Devins a long time, so sue me. I think he's a very keen, observant and smart writer, yeah, he's kind of a prick at times, but one I can tolerate, and I would say I do find myself agreeing with him more than I do disagreeing with him. Mumblecore is a shit genre that is exactly as he describes it. I often refer to it as being indie excess crap. Basically, you take all that's bad and those sort of true stereotypes about indie, wrap it up into a ball, and yeah, any asshole can take a camera and shoot things with it, but it takes a master craftsman to make something outstanding. Yeah, anything with core at the end, should be something awesome, as Devin puts it. Mumblecore is not. It's boring and pointless and no real story or structure to it. Narcissistic self indulgent crap, which may not nec always be a bad thing, but mumblecore is not a good example of such. It is pretty bland. Now, you could say, and I tend to agree, that there was this wave of pre-mumble core, Linklatter, Jarmusch, and Smith. Thing is, while their camerawork or direction might not be the greatest, and that's not a putdown, their writing and storytelling is very good, and that's good enough for me. I'm not blaiming them for it, it was something inadvertant that happened, but it had an influence. Blaiming them for it is like blaiming Faith No More, an awesome band, for shit like rap-rock and nu-metal, two totally un-connected things. Round 1, Devin. Swanberg just sounds like your typical indie nerd, trying to make his "important personal work", out to be than it is. Really? Age of technology that gives us a voice, but you use it to squash those. Oh man, I don't know whether to laugh or roll my eyes at that one. Swanberg, and those who think like him, time to put on the big boy pants, grow a little thicker skin, and not worry so much what the critics say. You're basing your whole view/point/movement, and whether it suceeds or fails, on some critic? Wow. That's a load of week b.s if I ever heard it. Here's the thing too, and I hate judging movies and entertainment based on this cause it's so superficial, however, it's reality. If mumblecore were this groundbreaking revolution that those who identify as such types of filmmakers, was this big thing, it would be making more money and be all the buzz. But it's not cause people tend to know crap when they see it. But for the fight its self, now, I do like Devin and I'm on his side on this, but uh, it makes him look like the stereotypical know it all nerd who can talk a big talk, but can't really say anything with his fists. But I think that can account for alot of people. Also Swanberg, Uwe Boll, who some say is the worst director ever, did the same thing as you did a few years ago, took what his critics said WAY too personal, and fought them. Now, Boll surprisingly cleaned there clocks, and that's not a congratulation. No, no, you just did something as low as Uwe Boll. How does it feel?

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Oh, and.....

    by SobchakSecurity

    Idk if i'd nec say I thought it was better, but I did enjoy Terminator Salvation more than Avatar. Look, Avatar is Dances With Wolves set in space, just accept it. Even people who liked the movie have been able to accept that.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    @scirocco

    by SobchakSecurity

    "It's just more cinema done, outside Holywood's compartimentized system. Who knows where the next Kubrick might show up? Perhaps there already is one doing his first steps in mumblecore. So why should anybody oppose it? And what's the deal with Faraci's enemity of movies with more free form type of narratives? Does he think that the only type of narrative that matters is where things happen by going A to B to C? And self-indulgence? Most art IS self-indulgent, if you chose to see it that way. I mean, look at Bethoeven, he didn't give a fuck about the nobility who up to then used musicians and composers as their private employees, Bethoeven composed for himself, and look at what he did! He was being self-indulgence, you could say, but he create masterpieces of world music. I just don't get this Faraci dude. What does he really want from movies?" See, right there, you just summed up everything that's wrong and shitty with mumblecore, and proved Devin and I right. Just cause it's made outside of Hollywood, doesn't mean shit. Even if it's an Indie flick, you gotta have that special something. Indie/mumblecore flicks can be just as bad or shitty, for their own reasons, as much as Hollywood movies are. Devin does like alot of movies made outside of hollywood, if you actually read his articles, you'd realize that. Are you fucking serious? You really think the next Kubrick will come from mumblecore? Wow. Not only does that win for dumbest fucking thing I've heard in a while, but I hope you never mention that outside of here, cause you will be severely laughed at and humiliated. You don't write like seriously or professionally when it comes to this do you? Once again, if you actually read Devins writings, or anyones when it comes to this thing, no one is opposed to free form narratives. In fact, I think more people are in favor it. However, if you can't make it work, then just that. You can't make it work. And while yes, some/most art may be self indulgent, different people have different likes, and one can sometimes only take so much, and what you like, someone else may see as shit. You're really comparing the mumblecore centric filmmakers and audiences to Behtoven? Speaks for it's self folks.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Faraci is a piece of shit.

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST

    DOWN GOES FARACI !! DOWN GOES FARACI !!

    by iampain

    its like loki-hulk all over again. cant wait for the youtube edit/edit/edit/edit/edit/etc

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    I have no idea who EITHER of them are

    by wcolbert

    I was thinking of the character from family guy, Joe Swanson - "That's weird...is someone on family guy?" yeah, I dont pay attention to a lot of media unless I really really like it.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST

    So wait, what the fuck is mumblecore?

    by Ashs_Right_Hand

    Anyone give me a rundown of what this genre is? I've seen it posed to the Duplass brother's movies, but I thought those were fairly funny, low-key little dramedies (Except for the horror one, Baghead. That movie SUCKED.) Do the last Duplass movies that hit theaters (Jeff, Who Lives at Home and Cyrus) count as mumblecore or is it only low-budget, indie movies with the shaky-cam aesthetic?

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    And yeah Devin's a TOTAL pussy

    by Ashs_Right_Hand

    I like a lot of Devin's writing and Badass Digest is head and shoulder above the slop that gets reported here, but he can definently be a prick sometimes, and even as somewhat of an admirer of the dude, I found some pleasure in seeing him get busted up a bit.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    Demis Roussous

    by Fart Magnus

    I don't know who that fat guy was but I hope he writes better than he fights. Maybe Demis Roussous should stick to singing, rather than boxing! And I echo ginger muppet - I have NO idea who any of these douchebags are, what mumblycore is(is that even a thing?!?)or what they are talking about.

  • Basically, I really dislike Faraci and I've yet to figure out how a rude windbag from New York who lives in L.A. fits the vibe of the Alamo and/or Austin. I don't believe Devin is half as smart as he obviously thinks he is, but I'm not really part of the hipster bloggerati where foul language and puffed up opinion are considered good, original writing. Neither do I really understand the whole idea of editor free rants of thousands of words slung on any topic (ala Film Crit Hulk), which was the basis of the comment that got me banned from BAD. I also don't completely understand how a blogger can steal the trademarked name and voice of a licensed Marvel Comics character to apply their shtick when it's the very easily recognized name and voice that's generating an instant readership to begin with. None of that really matters, because generally speaking, it's obvious that Film Crit Hulk is a smart guy who loves film and isn't a bad writer. I just had an opinion about a certain piece that I didn't like, and I was a bit of a wise ass about it. Devin, who is a wise ass about almost EVERYTHING, and throws blustery insults at everyone who disagrees with him, can't take the same being thrown in his direction in his "kingdom." So he bans at will. So I really enjoyed seeing him getting his ass kicked. If the mood strikes me, and this asshole comes to BNAT this year, You may get to see this scenerio all over again.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST

    I had to wiki mumblecore.

    by Eli_Cash

    The term doesn't make sense. But I've only seen three movies on the list. I liked all of them. Cold Weather and Cyrus both kicked ass. Jeff Who Lives at Home was alright. Entertaining but contrived. So I have no idea what Devin is whining about. I still want to see someone debate him on his Batman Begins review, then kick his ass. None of his criticisms of that movie were valid. They were all either vague and undeveloped, or outright false. He invented plot holes that weren't there and were explained by the movie to anyone who was paying attention.

  • All art is valid. And it can/has/will continue to co-exist. This Faraci guy, who I assume is one of those web critics who manged to gain a small following, needs to accept that he simply doesn't like the so-called genre. Obsession with these type of things tends to stem from jealousy. He took a stab at Kevin Smith. Say what you will, Smith did what everyone on the Internet wants to do. Take their life savings, make a movie on their own terms, and have people embrace it. It's impossible for me to not have complete respect for that. As far as I can tell, Faraci has done nothing like that.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Oh. You meant literally hand his ass to him.

    by adeceasedfan

    Good stuff.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Wikipedia

    by Incomplete Gamer

    I consider myself a movie fan, but had to look up both of these people. Any chance future news posts might have all the useful information? Even if it's just to put these people into context??

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Faraci was right...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    almost any no talent gen y ass hole with a camera a credit card and some attractive friends can call him/herself a film maker these days and get a deal - the proof of this is everywhere - the real trick is, as in everything else that involves selling one's self, who you know and who knows those you know - mumblecore indeed - the very name smacks of bull shit

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    wes anderson vs spike jonze, there's a fight...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    they even look alike

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Awesome!

    by tyler_turden

    I cannot stand Faraci. He is the biggest contrarian in film criticism since Armond White. I truly believe that he trashes films to get traffic to his site. If his taste is truly legitimate then he is one of the most ungrateful movie-goers of all time. For all of his faults as a writer, at least Harry has enthusiasm. I love his unbridled sense of joy about film. For Faraci the cup is always half empty. He is the walking, talking embodiment of what is wrong with online film culture. He spews out negativity and then tries to battle (in his forums) anyone who has a differing opinion (or bans them). It is juvenile, but I'm glad someone punched him in his face.

  • http://badassdigest.com/2012/09/23/how-i-got-my-ass-kicked-at-fantastic-fest/

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Ha ha ha! Faraci getting his ass kicked made my week

    by Chuck_Chuckwalla

    Kudos to the Mumblecore King. Maybe he knocked some sense into that prick.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Oh man. Joe Swanberg got to live the dream.

    by JustinJump

    How satisfying would that have been? And was that Ti West at the end there? Looks like it.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Never read his site. Someone please catch me up

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

    on why he is an asshole.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    So that's how you're selling Faraci?

    by DrGogol

    He's the guy we love to hate? Not me. He's the guy I ignore and would rather just went away.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Couldn't have happened to a nicer cunt.

    by Fortunesfool

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 4:34 a.m. CST

    @Mr sobchaksecurity

    by albert comin

    I don't know where the next Kubrick will came from. But he might come from mumblecore. That's the point. The point being, the next genious filmmkaer of the stature of Kubrick will come from where you will least expect, as this things usually happen. So to bash a whole movement just because you feel antipathy for some of it's filmmakers or some of their movies is not cool. And if you read what o wrote, i was was not comparing mulblecore to Bethoven, i was making a clear coment in that great art (which sometimes also gets very popular to the masses) always come from people who have high artistic ambitions and who act quite self-indulgently. It's the nature of the thing. The thing about art is that you do not need to like the artist to like his creations. Read the bio of most artists and it reads like the shopping list of the worst assholes that ever lived. But they create sublime works which we all profit from. So, the next Kubrick might come from anywhere. He might come from mumblecore. If you hate that prospect, that's your problem to deal. Me, i'll just keep watch and wait.

  • It's indie squared.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST

    sobchaksecurity

    by kwisatzhaderach

    "Avatar was Dances With Wolves in space." Wow, that's an original comment. You're so clever, well done.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Mumblecore defined

    by detectivesoap

    I didn't know what the hell it was until I watched this video which is somebody using clips of the films and listing characteristics. http://www.youtu.be.com/watch?v=9hiNC7uKY1Y I have a few serious issues with this even being a genre. Natural lighting: is never natural, looks like a soap opera or a porno. The fact is, yellow light bulbs work with our eyes, not on film. This is just lazy. Seemingly no color correction. Again, lazy. If you force me to watch it, at least but a little color correction so the digital looks a little better and I don't want to puke from all the yellow. The "artists" in question made many of these in Black and White, which sidesteps the issue of color correction entirely...until you realize it is the laziest incamera black and white you have ever seen. What's wrong with a little sharpness, mates? See Harmony Korine for effective use of "the video look". Shaky cam: All well and good. This is usually something that happens by accident anyways; for me, and my pvc pipe shoulder mount, it happens often. This does not change the fact that if I had more money I would get a shoulder mount that works. It is difficult to maintain a stable shot. Shots that shake can add to the realism, or heighten action like in Crank. When they are willy nilly all over the place in a dialogue scene that is not intense, I say get a fucking tripod. The clips I saw on that video looked like the cameraman drank a lot of coffee, did not preplan his shot (hence the zooming and unzooming) and then the editor was to lazy to make the cuts. See Lars Von Trier for how to use a shaky camera while seeming like you know what you are doing. Which brings me to: Spontaneous cutting, also known as lazy editing, also known as we were too stupid to film cutaways, or naturally end a scene or even worse we are attempting jump cuts and just failing and covering our tracks by making up this godforsakenly STUPID genre. See Godard. Look up "jump cut". The main reason why I hate it? Because I make films, I know what is easy, what the easy ways out are. I know what my first films looked like and how I had to learn and learn to not make the mistakes that these films try to pass off as art. I know what lazy looks like because I've done it a thousand times. Mumblecore is now retitled in my mind "Learnin' Movies".

  • No lighting, no set design, use of a shitty handheld consumer-grade camera, etc. Heck, most of the time, there's no script. My beef with Mumblecore isn't just that its a fucking waste of time to watch these shitty movies (and the "to prove it can be done" and "what his art?" arguments, well Warhol did that a million years ago) but fucking lazy. 90s indies like Linklater and Smith and whoever else you want to name, well as amateur as their first works were, they weren't TRYING to be. They didn't say, "eh fuck sound mixing." They wanted their films to look, sound and BE as professional as possible. Mumblecore is like being spat in the face for 88 minutes.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Never heard of that term until just now...

    by Dan

    Farici, nope, not a fan, dislike him a lot... He's a dick it seems for the sake of being a dick; he's just a dumbass on nearly everything... a real hatchet mouth... Is he the guy in the beard? How old is he? He looks 55!

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    faraci a hipster?

    by j_difool

    someone said faraci is a hipster douchebag? douchebag, yes. but i don't see anything hip about him. he's just a fat dude who's so overly confident he actually envisioned a triumph for himself at the end of this event. now he will probably try to rationalize how he made a giant fool of himself. but chances are he will repeat the mistake and make an ass of himself many more times in the future. which should be a good for more laughs.

  • Fat, bearded, smug, entitled know-it-all with celebrity "friends" and a douchebag demeanor is what I mean by hipster. He's just a guy who thinks he's important in the geek movie community because he gets invited to set visits and sees movies for free before the rest of the fan world gets to. In a perfect world, these benefits would make a film fan a nicer human being, blessed with being able to make a living watching and writing about film. But in too many cases, this one in particular, these entitlements just make the writer an arrogant prick liked only by other writers in the same community, who are the only ones who will tell you he's a "great guy." His day will eventually come when he'll be forced to get a real job, only it'll be more painful for him than most of us because he's spent the last 10 years on the gravy train and feels entitled to his lifestyle.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Devin Farce...aka the Perez hilton of fandom

    by southafricanguy

    is the embodiment of everything bad about modern fandom. He is a indeed a fat smug, arrogant douchbag. I will never forget his 4 star review of Terminator salvation for Empire magazine...and then after it became clear the film was a critical and financial bomb quickly putting a story entitled "why T4 is a bad movie" on Chud.....what a fucking hypocrite...

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    and he is such an arrogant fuckhead....calling

    by southafricanguy

    the fans of certain movies or film series "retarded".....this coming from a whiny man child that love the planet of the apes films......and lets not even get started about a grown ass man cumming in his pants about Harry Potter....and im not bagging on HP....but when a grown ass man in his 30s gushes over HP like a Japanese school girl...he has a pair of balls calling anyone else retarded for what they like

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST

    And finally his religeous Jihad against James

    by southafricanguy

    Cameron only makes him a bigger fucking loser.......who gives a fuck if he likes Cameron's films....but he has gone so out of his way to attack any and all Cameron's films to the point that he tries his best to trash Aliens, T2...just anything....and he does so so repeatedly that he comes across as such a fucking loser......but of course he is not above hit whoring for his site by always posting stories about Cameron.....again, what a fucking hypocrite...

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    im gonna rewatch this video a hundred times

    by southafricanguy

    I have no idea who the fuck Swanberg is...but the man is my new personal hero for shutting that pompous windbag up......jesus christ.....what a cunt....lecturing a film maker.....at least he is actually out there trying to make films....what do you do you useless piece of shit?....just write about it and try your best to tear down others.....

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I would pay money....real money...to get in the

    by southafricanguy

    ring with Devin Farce.....

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    @Scirocco

    by SobchakSecurity

    I don't know where the next Kubrick will came from. But he might come from mumblecore. That's the point. The point being, the next genious filmmkaer of the stature of Kubrick will come from where you will least expect, as this things usually happen. So to bash a whole movement just because you feel antipathy for some of it's filmmakers or some of their movies is not cool.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Aw fuck, didn't fully post first time.... @Scirocco

    by SobchakSecurity

    I don't know where the next Kubrick will came from. But he might come from mumblecore. That's the point. The point being, the next genious filmmkaer of the stature of Kubrick will come from where you will least expect, as this things usually happen. So to bash a whole movement just because you feel antipathy for some of it's filmmakers or some of their movies is not cool.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Damn, post was too long, @ Scriocco, in like 3 parts...

    by SobchakSecurity

    I don't know where the next Kubrick will came from. But he might come from mumblecore. That's the point. The point being, the next genious filmmkaer of the stature of Kubrick will come from where you will least expect, as this things usually happen. So to bash a whole movement just because you feel antipathy for some of it's filmmakers or some of their movies is not cool.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Damn, I'll post my rebuttal to Scirocco once I get the damn thing to work.

    by SobchakSecurity

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Faraci Unites film fans the world over....

    by conspiracy

    The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend applies here; despite differences, tastes, age, cultural, socio-economic strata...people the world over can unite in their pure, unbridled, heartfelt loathing of that unwashed swine of an internet movie critic. When I see Devin the first thing that comes to mind is that here is a guy whose greatest aspiration in life is to be the warden of a Turkish Prison.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Faraci offers nothing substantive in his debate.

    by Nintendarth

    All one needs to do is point out that mumblecore as a genre has existed for years and produced nothing that has impacted the genre except its own invention, in perfect keeping with the hipster element of celebrating the hipster element for its own sake and contributing nothing else. Has there been ONE great mumblecore performance? ONE great mumblecore piece of dialogue? ONE great mumblecore film? No. No. No. That should have been Faraci's argument - that mumblecore proves its own irrelevance by producing absolute nothing. As for young filmmakers being squashed - if all it takes to squash a filmmaker's dreams is the announcement that, hey, surprise, tired hipster lack-of-effort films are no good, then there are no dreams being crushed. That's called flushing the toilet, not crushing dreams.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    get a fucking tripod

    by animas

    and no fucking zooming. that is my only 2 complaints for camera work for any film.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    first time i've heard mumblecore

    by JAMF

    let's hope it never happens again.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Couldn't agree more with the Faraci hate: biggest douche on the interwebs

    by Sean Houlihan

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Anytime the description of a guy...

    by Dan

    has the phrase,"...you just don't know him that well," is a nice way to say even his friends think he's massive cock which there is no doubt applies to Farici... He looks like a Wookiee with Mange... ugh.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST

    If James L. Brooks and Brian Blessed had a kid...

    by Dan

    it would unfortunately be Farici....similar also to the IT's ALIVE kid...

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST

    And Nordling "im an unabashed fan of Devin

    by southafricanguy

    Farce"..is exactly why I ignore your reviews or "thoughts" on anything....kind of hard to take you seriously when you think that fat gimp has anything to add to the conversation...

  • No.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    @Mr sobchaksecurity

    by albert comin

    Take your time, fiend, i'll wait. I know exactly what you are dealing with, it has happened to me before too. You write this long text you are so proud of beause you put to much though to it, you know you made your argument well, and all goes down the toilet because yu started your post with a quotation. It's enough to make a man turn to drink. I bet i'll agree with many of the arguments you will make. You sound like a smart and intelligent fella. Maybe the major reason of our disagrement is more to do with how badly i'm making my ideas come across. Bad writer me! If your arguent is based in that mublecore feels too slacker in the technical department, as if this filmmakers are not even bothering to atempt to make technically savvy movies, and not bothering with the minimal atempt at aestetics, i would agree with that argument. As Ridley Scott says, movies can't be too beautiful.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    First...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...no one's ass was handed to anyone in that video. The tall geek threw some weak arm punches at the hairy geek, who ran into them but wasn't particularly inconvenienced. The hairy geek responded by throwing punches overhand in a style that suggested he should have been stuttering 'and you take that! and that!' while he lobbed them, while the tall geek actually turned his hand to the side like he was shooting a glock in a John Woo movie, meaning if he had hit the hairy geek with a solid punch he probably would have broken his hand, thereby proving that the tall geek doesn't know how to use his fists or semi-automatics any better than he knows how to use a camera. The hairy geek then turned his back on the tall geek and seems to have gotten his eye ouchied from behind, inspiring him to fall on his knees and look for the helicopter taking Charlie Sheen out of Vietnam and to the set of Two and a Half Men. The hairy geek then gets up, charges the tall geek, and after a punch sort of scrapes along the side of his face guard he flops back to the canvas screaming 'no ma-ma, no ma-ma'. Say what you will about Boll, but in his fight with a critic he actually threw a couple punches with serious intent. So Uwe Boll is too good a fighter and director for Mumblecore. At least the tall geek looked clean. The hairy geek sort of smelled even through the video.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Filmmakers need critics as critics need filmmakers.

    by albert comin

    Filmmakers make movies that give a job to the critics. But without critics, all filmmakers would veer into self-indulgence. I don't believe all those filmmakers who claim they don't read reviews. Some i can believe they don't, given how obtuse their style keeps on persisting despite they being in the mainstream blockbuster business (Hello, Mr Bay!). But the majority do read, and many do take lessons. Many think it's absurd that somebody who doesn't make movies can tell why a movie is badly made. But that's the same to say one can't know if a car is bad if one can't make one. By the same token nobody could say if a movie is good because they can't make one. Flip side of the same coin. There is a simbiosis between critics and filmmakers, even if most of the time it plays as a relationship based on antagonism like they are characters from a buddy cop movie from the 80s.

  • Guess which of the two got laid that night.

  • Good lord, how can anybody be that wrong? Let me guess, he loved "Super 8", didn't he?

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    scirocco...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...ouch. I thought I was being mean. And yeah, the hairy geek seems to pride himself on striking a hip, contrarian pose that he cannot coherently defend and which he pursues to a degree that renders him incapable of maintaining any sort of critical consistency.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    @Mr red ned lynch

    by albert comin

    And that's sad. I don't know much of Mr Faraci's career, but i bet he is contrarian to the safe bet movies, the ones are safe to be contrarian about. As for his Terminator Salvation high praises, i bet he did it as a miscalculation to suck up to the big studios which turned out to bite him in the ass.

  • from boxofficemojo.com: In sixth place, comic book adaptation/remake Dredd bombed with just $6.3 million from 2,506 locations. That's less than one-third of Kick-Ass's $19.8 million, and only a little over half of the original Judge Dredd's $12.3 million (and that movie was considered a flop 17 years ago!). It's at least up on Shoot 'Em Up ($5.7 million) and about on par with April's Lockout ($6.2 million), though those comparisons suggest Dredd is on track for less than $20 million through its entire run. The audience was predominantly male (75 percent) and older (69 percent were 25 years of age or older) and they gave the movie a "B" CinemaScore. A 3D share is not currently available. Dredd's awful performance is the latest example of how the Comic-Con/online fanboy crowd just doesn't make up a large portion of the moviegoers in this country. The movie came out of its Comic-Con screening in July with tons of online buzz and very strong reviews, and it maintained a 100 percent fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes through at least its first 25 reviews (though it ultimately wound up at a more-reasonable 77 percent). As a result, the fanboy audience was very aware of this movie ahead of release, and anticipation seemed to be pretty high among this group as well. Ultimately, though, it's just not a big-enough group to drive strong business. For a good dissection of the hazards of targeting fanboys, check out this piece from earlier this year in The Hollywood Reporter. From THE HOLYWOOD REPORTER: Comic-Con Anonymous: Are Fanboys Still Worth the Time and Money? 5:00 AM PDT 7/12/2012 by Anonymous share Comments (6) 106 Captain America Comic-Con Costume - 2012 Getty Images An insider asks if the geek crowd is still the best audience on which to blow marketing budgets. This story first appeared in the July 20 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine. our editor recommends Comic-Con 2012: Activision Expanding Marvel Relationship With New Game Debut in San Diego Comic-Con 2012: Behind the Scenes With the New TV Gods Comic-Con 2012: Behind the Scenes of THR's Roundtable (Video) Comic-Con 2012: 6 All-Stars Talk Knife-Wielding Fans, Mortifying Auditions and How Their Shows Should End at THR's Roundtable Here we go again, another July, another parade of movie stars and executives heading south to peddle their wares at Comic-Con. But before we all spend crazy money jetting in talent, booking lavish parties and crafting just the right teaser-trailer package, think for a moment: Is the Comic-Con crowd still the best audience on which to be blowing our marketing budget? A decade after Hall H became Hollywood's must-stop venue on the path to the multiplex, what if Comic-Con is sort of over? PHOTOS: Comic-Con 2012: 6 All-Stars Talk Knife-Wielding Fans, Mortifying Auditions and How Their Shows Should End at THR's Roundtable After all, many would argue that the people who attend every year would see a genre movie or superhero tentpole no matter what. And the rest of the moviegoing public increasingly doesn't care much whether the fanboys love or hate something. Three words: Cowboys & Aliens. Last year's toast of the Con flatlined at the box office. Tron: Legacy? Disney teased the movie three years in a row to rapturous applause, and it still underperformed. Scott Pilgrim vs. the World. Green Lantern. Jonah Hex. Comic-Con hits, real-world flops. VIDEO: Comic-Con 2012: Behind the Scenes of THR's Roundtable The Dark Knight? Biggest domestic gross of all time for a superhero movie, and it bypassed Comic-Con altogether. Preaching to a choir and spending what can amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege might not be the best way to go. Especially since a big, splashy presentation has become far less special. It's now the norm -- hardly even a news event. After you fly in your A-list movie stars, put them up in a Hard Rock Hotel suite and pay their $2,000-a-day makeup person and stylist, is their 45-minute appearance going to translate into global ticket sales six or 12 months later? Probably not. Sure, there are examples of Comic-Con presentations that were followed by buzz and big box office (Avatar in 2009, Avengers last year). PHOTOS: Comic-Con 2012: First Look at Posters for 'The Vampire Diaries,' 'Supernatural,' 'Following' and More But you could probably still generate that same media attention from a strong trailer or viral campaign via a team of hardworking marketers and publicists. And less competition fighting for ink. Now, if studios want to support Comic-Con as a gift to the fans, good for them. But if they're trying to sell movie tickets -- and isn't that the point? -- save your money for a broader campaign. And may the force be with you. from whogottherole.com: Things didn’t go well for Lionsgate Dredd. Showing in 2,506 locations, the film was only able to make a depressing $6.3 million. That’s just half of what the original Judge Dredd, starring Sylvester Stallone made. Despite fair reviews from critics and a B CinemaScore, Dredd is on track to make less than $20 million for its entire run. from joblo.com: After its premiere at Comic Con this year, fans and critics alike raved about DREDD 3D, a reboot of the popular British comic book created by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra and starring Karl Urban, Olivia Thirlby, and Lena Headey. Directed by Pete Travis, the ultraviolent, slick, and brutal pic was primed to be a solid hit in the hard-R action genre. Sitting at 77% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes and with most fan reaction being positive, DREDD 3D looked to have it in the bag. Then, the numbers came in. A paltry $6 million over a slow weekend in September, competing with the likes of a Clint Eastwood baseball movie, a cheesy horror flick, and a cop drama, DREDD 3D was buried, making only half of what its competition pulled in, which, aside for END OF WATCH, had negative reviews. Audiences were loud and clear that they didn’t much care for what DREDD 3D had to offer or they simply didn’t know enough about it to give a shit. Even with an aggressive campaign by Lionsgate, the trailers and TV spots did little to influence ticket sales. So, just what the hell happened? I left the theater feeling fully satiated by what I’d seen. DREDD 3D felt like an issue of the comic brought to life, with all the character, blood, gore, brutality, and deadpan comedy one could ask for. In my mind, it was one of the best comic adaptations I’d seen to date. When I saw the numbers on Sunday I was floored. HOUSE AT THE END OF THE STREET and TROUBLE WITH THE CURVE beat DREDD 3D? They're sitting at 11% and 52% on Rotten Tomatoes! DREDD 3D’s failure brings up a number of questions: Are audiences tired of comic book flicks? They’ve certainly been inundated with them recently (and will continue to be). Are audiences playing it safe with go-to genres and established names? Jennifer Lawrence is hot off THE HUNGER GAMES and Eastwood is hot off his RNC “chair” speech, so why not? Are audiences “tamed” to PG-13 movies? Have they simply learned to settle for less? Is the R-rated action genre dead? In recent years, we’ve seen the R-rated action genre take a hit, while the comedy genre got a boost. Too many questions with no solid answers. THE EXPENDABLES 2 originally was shooting for a PG-13 before an R, adding some CGI blood (with almost no profanity) to give the fans “what they want.” Did it make that big of a difference to audiences in terms of ticket sales? Well, it still hasn’t made back it’s $100 million budget, so there’s that. A PG-13 almost always adds a bigger tally, since it opens up to a wider audience. That said, it’s always possible that HOUSE and CURVE are counting money that actually belongs to DREDD 3D, as kids will typically buy a ticket for a PG-13 movie and sneak into an R-rated one (I know I did). I’ll give END OF WATCH its due credit as it earned the top spot with an R-rating and great reviews. I don’t think DREDD 3D could’ve been done properly without the R-rating. Without the hardcore violence it would’ve lost all edge as the badass film that it is and robbed it completely of its source material integrity. A PG-13 would’ve been a sell out. However, that sell out may have been a prettier picture for Lionsgate’s returns. So, who really wins? Which brings me to my next train of thought; Are some movies destined to be cult films? When you consider the box office of movies like THE EVIL DEAD, FIGHT CLUB, THE BIG LEBOWSKI, OFFICE SPACE, etc., one of the most common traits is their box office failure, with each of them carrying an R-rating. To me, DREDD 3D seemed to have a wider appeal than cult status, but I’m biased as hell. I’m a comic nerd/film geek, so my thoughts on the matter can be jaded. The average moviegoer seeing a police-officer-guy-with-a-big-helmet-in-an-apocalyptic-future may view the concept as far too odd. DREDD 3D, after all, isn’t a well-known comic in the U.S., at least not as much as THE AVENGERS or Batman. As a character, he’s low on the totem pole in terms of popularity; so to sell him on the heels of his comic roots was always going to be tough. Then, there’s the issue of the female audience. Let’s face it; most women aren’t into blood-soaked action flicks. Call me sexist, but it’s true. I’m sure a poll in Cosmopolitan would reveal the truth. Chicks want romance, love, and comedy for the most part (which isn’t to say they can’t appreciate some badass action) of which DREDD 3D has none. There isn’t the slightest hint at romance, with Dredd playing it straight from start to finish. Regardless, Olivia Thirlby as Judge Anderson is awesome, exuding strength, vulnerability, and perseverance in a role that easily could’ve been a cheesy annoyance. In the ads, however, she’s played off as nothing more than a presence in the film, rather than a major player with a back-story. The disappointment of a good film is a hard thing to figure out and the consequences of that failure can be far-reaching. I’m not upset about the loss of sequel potential as much as I am about an R-rated action flick done right being punished for doing so. It’s a slap to the studio for taking the risk and a signal that audiences don’t want R-rated action movies, but PG-13 warmed over dogshit. It’s harsh, but true. The truth is in the numbers and unfortunately, when it all comes down to it, the numbers will determine what we’ll see next. I’m hopeful that more filmmakers and studios will continue to take the risk in the future, but sadly, I think we’ll be seeing more trite PG-13 schlock than kick ass R-rated paragons, like DREDD 3D. I say: Enough geek-pain, I think, as the geek audience is resoundingly told "NO! WE HATE THAT Y0U EXIST!" yet again with this weekend's box-office. What to expect in the future: *the shuttering of many geek vanity projects *no AKIRA (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!) *no more DREDD movies (HAHAHAHAHAHA!) *few obscure comic properties (HAHAHAHA!) *No more "From the Mind of visionary 'x'" *no more R-rated actioners (HAHAHAHA!) *PG-13 horror/action trash (HAHAHAHAHA!) *ROBOCOP remake PG-13 (HAHAHAHAHA!) *ALL future sci-fi/fantasy PG-13 (HAHAHAHA!) can't stop laughing at you all. Gotta take a break. Enjoy your life knowing how truly, epically hated you all are by just about everyone.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    NOBODY CARES ABOUT THE THINGS YOU LIKE!

    by Nintendarth

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    by DrMorbius

    both terminator salvation and avatar was incoherent story telling by djangos_revenge Oh, the irony!

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Passionate people often are

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Yes, and stupid, self-loathing people also are. And Faraci is a very stupid, very self-loathing person indeed. He's also a terrible writer. However, it's no surprise that his online film 'critic' (I use the term loosely) peers fete him as a 'witty' or intelligent wordsmith, since the standards of writing and rational film criticism in such circles are so inept.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Indeed, southafricanguy...

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Nordling and Mr. Beaks are both close friends and disciples of this guy (not just fans as Nordling would have you believe). They are all cut from the same cloth - pretentious (yet, in reality, thick as pigshit) douchebags who have a superiority complex and look down on their readers and fellow geeks. And that is why I, too, ignore any and all reviews from this laughable trio of pseudo-intellectualism. As regards Faraci and Jim Cameron, it goes well beyond simple badmouthing; let's just say it's hilarious how Devin almost got taken to court for slander for his personal vendetta and 'campaign' to actively try and discredit Cameron and Lighstorm Entertainment by making allegations of plagiarism and the like. He's lucky his former employer Nick Nunziata covered his ass to prevent this - only to be awarded the privilege of being called a 'deadbeat' later on. So much for loyalty. Faraci was unaware how close he came to having legal action taken against him. Jim Dorey of Market Saw and some of his spies revealed all this information some years ago. I remember posting this story a long time ago and getting banned for my trouble - guess Faraci has friends around these parts who don't want the truth to come out. Faraci is a truly disgusting, hateful human being, and quite a dangerous one, too.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST

    Yeah, nobody cared about Lord of the Rings or Star Wars. Total bombs.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Oh but that's mainstream!

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    fluffyunbound - it's an old argument.

    by Nintendarth

    STAR WARS played into people's nostalgia for serials and had big explosions and so-called cool tech and laser swords. There is almost NOTHING innately sci-fi about Star Wars thematically. It's fantasy with the veneer of religious allegory & big-bada-boom all over it. And it's suitably brainless to appeal to the public. Likewise, Lord of the Rings' success and popularity had to do with big monsters, big battles, pretty actors and Coca-Cola marketing pushing the hell out of it. Notice what Coca-Cola doesn't touch? Flops like JUDGE DREDD. Scott Pilgrim vs. the Box-Office, er, World Jonah Hex Snakes on a Plane Dredd Hot Fuzz Prometheus Paranorman The Last Airbender Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie Film for Theaters Speed Racer Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within Hellboy Hellboy 2 Watchmen John Carter Battleship Tim & Eric's Billion Dollar Movie Actual human, fair-smelling American audiences (ie not geeks) have screamed over and over the word NOOOOOOO! every time the studio has tried to sell them movies EXPLICITLY ABOUT SCIENCE FICTION OR FANTASY or involving so-called geek properties (sic). When the property is about a beloved comic book or pet project, the flops are even more ARMAGEDDON-LEVEL CATASTROPHIC like DREDD, which has collapsed so profoundly it's gutting future projects right and left as studios watch. Did you know that anonymous ComiCon folks have recently contributed to articles in various top-shelf industry publications saying they're worried studios are going to abandon ComiCon ENTIRELY next year the way the big players (Sony & Disney) did this last year? Because you ComiCon attendees don't matter, nor do you reflect the slightest indicator on the rest of the natural effing world. http://www.cracked.com/funny-4739-scott-pilgrim/ There has to be a limit to this nonsense, and studios have reached it - they're not going to cater to you geeks any longer. They've reached the LIMIT OF TOLERANCE with DREDD, and they're backing away slowly and taking their producer money with them. Sure, Marvel movies made money - because they appealed to the NON-GEEK AUDIENCE. Appealing to the geek audience is a recipe for TOTAL APOCALYPTIC FAILURE, as Dredd's cosmically-positive reviews illustrate. The reason? Simple - the geek mind is TOTALLY different from the average person's. It's psychotically obsessed with irrelevant detail. You know what I like to do when someone spouts comic book trivia? I tell them --Hey, douchebag - did you know Google has put you out of a job? I can Google ALL the trivia in your head, plus tons more. Do you have a use on this planet?-- Encyclopediac knowledge of STAR TREK is a MENTAL DISORDER, not a matter of pride.

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST

    JOHN CARTER is the -perfect storm- of geek box-office armageddon.

    by Nintendarth

    NOBODY but geeks cared. NOBODY but geeks knew the character. NOBODY but geeks attended. NOBODY but geeks wanted the movie. NOBODY but geeks asked for the movie. NOBODY but geeks followed development. NOBODY but geeks praised it. NOBODY but geeks bought tie-ins. NOBODY but geeks has ever read the novels. NOBODY but geeks bothered about it. And you know what? That meant a NOBODY audience. If you look at the returns for virtually all the movies on my list, they're about the same - $15-20 million dollars. If you go by average movie costs, that means there are 2.5 million geeks, approximately, in the world. ON THE ENTIRE PLANET! 2.5 million out of 8 billion is ... .0003125 percent of the ENTIRE POPULATION OF THE PLANET! Feel small, mother_______. You ruin everything.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    I dispute that geeks cared about Dredd or John Carter

    by FluffyUnbound

    That's my whole point. To me, an example of a geek property is Spider-man. Who was clamoring for a Spider-man movie? Geeks who read the comics growing up. Normal people didn't read comics, ever. Anyone who ever bought and read a single Spider-man comic at any time in their lives is a geek. Those were the people excited for the first Raimi film. But the thing is that EVERY SINGLE GEEK IN THE COUNTRY was excited for the first Raimi film. And spread across the generations of geeks who loved the character, that's a lot of fucking people. Being seen reading the Lord of the Rings books would get you beat up as a nerd when I was a kid. It would be hard for me to think of something nerdier in 1984, except maybe going to a Star Trek convention. But those books had been loved by VAST NUMBERS of nerds for decades, and all those people were waiting when Fellowship came out. The problem with things like Dredd and John Carter is that even geeks didn't give a shit about those characters. Those characters had a handful of fans on the fringes of geek culture. I have read comics for all the classic Marvel characters, and I have seen the movies for the classic Marvel characters. I have never read a Dredd comic. I saw the Stallone movie on cable and thought it was merely OK. Why would I go see this new one? There was no compelling *geek* reason to go see this movie. And John Carter may as well be fucking Gilgamesh. It's an antique of another era that's interesting mainly as a curiosity and for philological reasons. I know of it because I know the history of fantasy and science fiction. I read Princess of Mars, and it's honestly not that good. I see how it influenced future works, but it's incredibly dated stylistically. Those movies prove that you need broad and deep support from *all geeks* for fantasy and science fiction works before you can make a big budget production work. You need something around for decades and with total penetration. Something four guys have liked since 1995 is not going to cut it. Something that was influential a long time ago but that most people have forgotten isn't going to cut it.

  • HAHA, nobody else goes to the movies you want to see. You should feel bad.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Also about the Marvel films

    by FluffyUnbound

    You say that they appeal to wider audiences. On what basis? Those movies are plain old straightforward comic book character adaptations. They're just adaptations of WELL KNOWN AND LIKED comic book characters. Not comic book characters nobody cares about. But here's the thing: if you know about a comic book character, like a comic book character, and go see a movie based on a comic book character, that makes you...a geek. If you go see CAPTAIN AMERICA or IRON MAN because you read the comics growing up, you are a geek. Those audiences were geeks, ex-geeks, and those suborned into going by geek relatives, spouses, and boyfriends/girlfriends. The difference between Iron Man and Dredd isn't that one is somehow not *really* a comic book character. They're both obviously fundamentally comic book characters. The difference is that one of them is well known and the other is obscure, *even among geeks*. I have a gigantic science fiction book collection in my house. I read comics as a kid. I love Star Trek. I go to comic book movies. I've been posting at AICN, a geek site, since 1999 under one handle or another. There is no way anyone could possibly avoid saying I'm part of the geek audience. And you know what? I didn't see Scott Pilgrim, because before the movie came out I had NEVER FUCKING HEARD OF IT. So how can you possibly say that movie's failure is a result of appealing to a geek audience? You can't. Because it didn't appeal to me, and I am that audience. The real problem for Hollywood is that just about all of the worthwhile properties have already been harvested, and now they're scrounging around in the bottom of the barrel for stuff nobody's ever heard of. I predict the Marvel Guardians movie will fail, and everyone will scratch their heads and say Huh? I thought Marvel movies were supposed to succeed? But Marvel movies based on characters nobody's ever fucking heard of aren't going to succeed either.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Turd, thanks for that information...

    by Dan

    I knew Ferrici was a hatched-mouth cretin, but I had no idea how low he had sunk...wow...the lengths some people go... it's not all surprising that the self-proclaimed internet "intelligenticia" defends and props this loose stool up...but seriously...why? At the risk of their own reputations? thanks for the info, I'll stay away from the whole lot attaching themselves to DF.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Exactly...ANT-MAN is doomed...

    by Dan

  • You don't have to be an asshole to be passionate, just respectful and know your shit. I know lots of people who are passionate about things and they are great, smart people. They don't need to insult or demean anyone for taking an opposing stance, they just speak their peace and leave it at that... You are an asshole when you are trying to make some one look bad to defend your lame positionsons. Or just take the opposing stance to cause a stir or grab attention as Fecal matter Ferrici often does. Also, when someone uses the tired excuse in the defense of a asshole friend by saying, "Oh that's just the way they are..." I always reply back, "Oh you mean an asshole. I hate people like that. Remind me to kick their ass when I see them again."

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Who's Devin Faraci?

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Who's Joe Swanberg?

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    What's mumblecore?

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Why did I click on this link?

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    zodlovesmaude, methinks the lady doth protest too much

    by SergeantStedenko

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    That's not Gallifinakus and Jim Carrey?

    by SergeantStedenko

    Two people I actually heard of.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko- about?

    by Dan

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    No big mystery, dude. Farraci is a cockmaster...

    by Dan

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    I thought it was ironic that

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    I couldn't make out what the skinny guy said that was so funny and exciting to the crowd... because he was fucking mumbling! And these mumblecore films look like unwatchable egotistic turds. It's the cinematic equivalent of your local open mic night.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Faraci doesn't usually get his ass 'handed' ...

    by DrMorbius

    "Fisted" is more like it!!!

  • I don't have a problem with them. The more independent film the better. But, yeah, this generation doesn't seem to have much to say.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    zod, forget it. It went over your head.

    by SergeantStedenko

    If you really must know, here's a clue: Read your last post right before mine.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    It's not about me. Faraci is the asshole.

    by Dan