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Herc’s Seen The Return Of TREME!! Sunday TV Talkback!!

Published at: Sept. 23, 2012, 4:11 a.m. CST by hercules

“Treme” mastermind David Simon announced at a Saturday night screening that the HBO drama, whose third season launches at 10 p.m. Sunday night, will be back for an abbreviated fourth and final season next year.

Tonight’s episode won’t feel anything like a departure from prior seasons. I think HBO’s only note might have been, “More lengthy musical interludes devoid of character or plot please!”

I’ve decided Matthew Weiner is my favorite tiny bald Jewish cable showrunner now.

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  • Sept. 23, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Abbreviated final season

    by supertoyslast

    That seems to be the destiny for David Simon shows. The final season of The Wire really should have been full-length rather than cramming everything into 10 episodes.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Well this news makes its return tonight bitter sweet...q

    by Bullet_time_Facehugger

    I hadn't heard that this was happening until now. Kind of a bummer honestly. However unfocused or meandering people might find Treme, I've enjoyed it immensely, and I'm not really a fan of New Orleans or its music scene.

  • Harsh!<p> I really like Treme. I don't think it's as great as the Wire, but i can't fault Simon and co for trying to do something different.<p> In particular, I don't think you can tell the story of the struggle for the soul of New Orleans post-Katrina, without showing where that soul comes from. Music is at the heart of this show because it's at the heart of its characters. Yes, not every thread of the story works (yeah i'm looking at you, Sonny on the fishing boat) but folk who criticise the show for being slow remind of me of folk who criticise Boardwalk Empire for not being the Sopranos, i.e. kinda missing the point...

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Weird complaint for a show about musicians

    by feldman10

    Are you just uninterested in music, Herc?

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Treme as "devoid of character or plot"

    by PantherMatt

    Well, some people just aren't going to get it. and that's fine. That's why some people watch "CSI: Whatever" and some people watch "Treme". But, to characterize "Treme's" music interludes as being devoid of character is to miss the point (almost) entirely. "Treme" is an ensemble show, to be sure, but the biggest character in the entire series is New Orleans. And without the music, food prep, etc, you don't get the character of New Orleans. Also, Antoine Batiste's PERFORMANCE of said offending music gives you insight to his character. See how this works? It's an amazing show, really, and unlike everything else on television.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Interview with Simon over at Reason magazine

    by OutsideChance

    http://tinyurl.com/8q4jmg6 Simon later claimed the interview was unfairly editied (which Reason disputed) and the entire tape was posted as well: http://tinyurl.com/8rqlxor

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    This is where I disagree with you, Herc

    by tangcameo

    I love this show! And I am saddened to hear that we'll only get half a final season. I like how the real blends in with the fictional and the fictional with the real, even if it sacrifices plot sometimes. It sounds (if you read EW) that this may be David Simon's last TV show, at least for a while - probably until we climb out of the recession hole if we ever do. And like David Simon's said, don't judge the show until you've seen every last episode. p.s. My predictions for the show; Sonny cleans up and marries the boss' daughter, Davis creates a 'United Breaks Guitars' like song and becomes an international one hit wonder before returning to the radio job, Soph makes her own peace her father, Toni and the cop go on a real date, Antoine finds his dream band is the kids he teaches at school and he marries his girlfriend, LaDonna keeps on being LaDonna, Janette opens a seafood restaurant only to watch the oilspill wipeout her business again, Annie becomes a star and leaves Davis on amicable terms (she's gotta stop living with stoners), Delmond becomes Chief when Albert unexpectedly dies (like the real Chief they first mention in the first season) giving us our 1-major-death-per-season. And I make a cameo as another goddamned tourist. hehe

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Another HBO Note: Hire more non-actors.

    by Smerdyakov

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Treme is 'Glee' for people who like music...

    by WeylandYutani

    we all know it's true.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    and the only possible good thing to ending Treme...

    by WeylandYutani

    is that it frees David Simon to mastermind yet another classic TV series... Homicide: Life on the Street, The Wire, Generation Kill, Treme. The man does amazing work.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST

    AVENGERS marathon tonight!!!! - 9- 12am EST Disney XD!!!!!!

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Boring show with crap ratings - same network that bailed on Deadwood

    by FrodoFraggins

    Canceling Carnivale, Rome and Deadwood pretty much guaranteed HBO will never get a subscription dollar from me again. I'll watch their shows through other means now.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Season 2 was unwatchable

    by FrodoFraggins

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Do NOT compare Treme to Glee!

    by tangcameo

    Glee isn't fit to lick Treme's boots. Hell, the Fame series from the 80s could kick Glee's ass. Glee is American Idol's bastard child.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    The Wire had more drama and plot because...

    by tangcameo

    ...he had already written Homicide: A Year on The Killing Streets and The Corner. Plus he must have had tons more source material than what he put in the books (eg the all "fuck" crime scene investigation scene). IMO I think if they had put any more actors into Treme it would be less of a show. So fuck you you fucking fucks! :-)

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST

    “More lengthy review interludes devoid of character or originality please!”

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Sums up AICN these days.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Yes, please, more of that.

    by MrD

    The rest of you can go - I'll meet you at Game of Thrones in March.

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    hardboiled wonderland...

    by Negator76

    Sounds like you've been clicking on too many of The Kidd's "articles".

  • Sept. 23, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    frodofraggins

    by WeylandYutani

    not sure "crap ratings" really applies... there are many excellent series that have low ratings. While it can indicate a bad show, it can also indicate that a series is not pap. American Idol, which gets VERY high ratings incidentally, is an example of the latter. It is like saying X Hollywood was the highest grossing film of the year... it indicated that it struck a cord with the audience, but that is not an indicator of quality.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    I'm saying it IS a crappy show that also has crap ratings

    by FrodoFraggins

    yet lives on because Simon runs it. Even JFC was more watchable and they smartly dumped that show.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    frodofraggins

    by WeylandYutani

    Then why mention the ratings at all if it has nothing to do with your argument? And for what it's worth... there must be two shows called Treme on HBO, because we are obviously not watching the same thing.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 5:08 a.m. CST

    I bet you when all is said and done with Treme

    by tangcameo

    We'll all be singing its praises, demanding they give us the missing second half's worth of episodes for season 4, and we'll be saying "well it may be a Generation Kill but it ain't no Treme or The Wire" to whatever TV show Simon makes his mark with if he stays in television - and I'd guess it will be something about Detroit.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Simon's blog

    by Deep Roots

    don't know if you are all aware, but Simon keeps a blog. It's pretty spectacular. it's called "The Audacity of Despair" davidsimon.com could read his writing all day.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Race for the most boring character thread on Treme

    by Smerdyakov

    Kim Dickens being fawned on by famous chefs vs. Hispanic contractor trying to accomplish who knows what?

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Could have ended at season 2.

    by vadakinX

    Don't get me wrong, I'm a Treme fan and more Treme is good Treme. But the end of season 2 felt like a series ending for me. I didn't know Treme was even coming back until a few weeks ago and was content to end with season 2. But since they're going to a season 4 (however brief it ends up being) they can plan a more comprehensive ending...but I'm not sure that's what Treme needs. There are subplots throughout the series that could be wrapped up but there's no major story in the show. Each episode is like "a day in the life" type thing.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Ok this is some bullshit

    by Briestro

    I want to hear the whole fucking album! They keep teasing us with 2 second snippets of other Mardis Gras Indian fusion tunes, but we've only ever really heard the rerecording of Dr. John's "Hu Ta Nay", which fucking rules. I love this thread in the series, the witless and ridiculous comments that Delmond Lambreaux keeps referencing from both the "jazz police" critics and the other chiefs, perfectly mirror the same kinda bullshit all the fusion players used to get. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__VQR8b1Uj4 theres a link to the original Dr. John version. btw Dr. John was the pianist on all the session tracks last year, he played himself in the series. You know who I mean. That Delmond leading the big chief chant pictured in that teaser wasn't in the episode. Next ep maybe? That's a major plot point. Delmond HATED being associated with that shit for the most part early on in the series. Look at how the idea of that album has changed his views on the tradition. btw, If Herc really was serious about that comment (i actually thought he was fuckin around), then my respect for him plummeted through the floor. Anybody who says that and means it about Treme, please stop watching this show immediately, you understand nothing! Anyway, the various musical styles and situations shown on this series are a major character in and of itself. If you want to bust on Treme, its fucking Ladonna, DJ Davis, and Sonny that need to fucking go. Even the chef is cool! Don't fuck your sous chef!!! She did it again!! lol More tunes please. More indians! More fucking Annie! Without Davis! End of rant. I'm glad it's back. B

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    People watch this?

    by Laserhead

    I'm from New Orleans and find the bohemian fantasia insulting. Without writers like Price and Pelacanos providing plot, David Simon can't write his way out a wet paper bag. Terrible, terrible show. Yep, I posted just to share that.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    I didn't like the first season so much, but loved the second.

    by Detective_Fingerling

    Treme has turned me onto the music of New Orleans in a way no movie or Rolling Stone article ever could. I find myself going to as many jazz fests as I can find now. It's been a fun way to explore something that's been foreign to me up until this point. Every show has an end, I'm glad they knew ahead of time instead of having to write the season finale as a series finale of sorts.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Rewatch NYPD blue

    by Paul

    After rewatching NYPD Blue on amazon prime it reminded me a lot of the Wire in terms of the themes. Also a lot of actors on the Wire had appeared on NYPD blue in guest roles.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    @briestro Do you know about 'Indian Blues' Donald Harrison album?

    by tangcameo

    It's the album that jazz/indian fusion plotline is based on. It's available on iTunes. They only cover one song on the show. A whole album would cost too much.

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    @laserhead My city would KILL to have that "bohemian fantasia"

    by tangcameo

    Your city still has so much of its history, heritage, culture, and architecture. Even through hurricane and flood you keep it, bring it to life, and celebrate it. My city USED TO have many things you have (streetcars for one thing) but we tossed it all in the name of progress - anything that was worth saving in my city has been torn down, ripped apart and has another glass and steel tower or another parking lot in its place. Most of my city's history cannot be found in its landmark buildings and businesses - they're gone, you can only find them in photographs in the history room of our library and even then you have to do the digging yourself to find it. In twenty years, New Orleans will still stand, my city will be a memory.

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    tangcameo!

    by Briestro

    Yeah, the Dr. John with the Donald Harrison band is the album I was talking about. What city are you from? I'm a new yorker, like Davis bitched about BULLWINKLE in the fucking parade lol. I've never been to New Orleans, but I fucking will go down there and play bass asap. Those guys down there are killer musicians! B

  • Sept. 25, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Detective Fingerling!

    by Briestro

    Awesome! Jazz rules. I highly recommend checking out anything Chick Corea or Hiromi Uehara are doing, as well as John McLaughlin and I could go on and on. Being from New York, we get the Blue Note, and I go there often to hear the type of musicians that inspire and depress me at the same time!! :D B

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Good comment thread!

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Herc is a dork. That said, I found this season opener less than gripping. I am a new orleanian who has the usual vain fascination with new orleans but I have no idea who all those people at that dinner with Jeanette were. I wish we'd had less of that and more of Jeanette fucking her sexy former sous chef. Treme is a great show and way better a portrayal of post-K nola than anyone had a right to expect, but I can't help nitpicking it. For instance I felt this opener was a little mechanical. New Orleans has a DARKNESS (I know it sounds cheezy but it's true)... an ambient grief that is in the wind, that you could taste in the air back then... it's not just a city where bad things happen, it's a city where a miasma of foreboding and tragedy hangs like humidity... also a place of joy, of course, of (mostly drunken) revelry... but I needed to see/feel more of the darkness, the empty uninhabited blocks, the weird creepiness... just one shot of driving through the 7th ward or something would have scratched that itch. In 2007 many neighborhoods were still super empty & abandoned houses hadn't been knocked down yet...

  • Sept. 26, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    @briestro Now don't laugh but my city is...

    by tangcameo

    Saskatoon. And just about everything my city is famous for (Joni Mitchell mostly) left town long long ago to BE famous. The closest we've ever come to having a tv show about us was the character Shelly Marie Tambo on Northern Exposure. When I was down in New Orleans (Prf Longhair just started up in my head lol) I was at Meyer's hat store just off Canal. He asked me where I was from and told him Saskatoon. It rang a bell with him but he wasn't sure. I told him its in that Canadian province with all the flat sides. He gave me this look like I'd said the dumbest thing in the world. "You're from Canada?" I nodded. He flipped over the fedora I was about to buy (its on my desk as I type) and pointed to the manufacturer's label, 'Made In Canada'. I laughed so hard. So it's a Dr John album? No wonder I was only able to find it on iTunes. I was looking for it at the library downtown here to burn to my iPod under Donald Harrison. I've been finding some Toussant and Kermit here. But I hope to get back to Louisiana Music Factory - it's so cool to watch Treme and see places, exact spots where I was when I was there (LMF and the exact spot in baggage claim at the airport during the Oop Poo Pah Doo scene but at 1am).