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UPDATED!! LETTERMAN/OBAMA Clippage!! New ANARCHY, PARENTHOOD, VOICE, GO, NORMAL!! Syfy’s HOT SET Premiere!! SYTYCDance & WHITE COLLAR Finales!! More!! Herc’s Tuesday TV Talkback!!

Published at: Sept. 18, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST by hercules

Tonight’s Premieres:


Hot Set
(10pm Syfy)


Ricky Smiley Show (9pm TV1)

 

The Tuesday return of “The Voice” clobbered “So You Think You Can Dance” and gave NBC the top four broadcast shows last Tuesday.

I reckon “Go On,” starring “Friends” vet Matthew Perry, is now NBC’s top scripted series.

Last Tuesday’s premiere of FX’s “Sons of Anarchy” hit a 10 p.m. number the broadcast networks can usually only dream about.

Tuesdays, July 24-Sept. 11, 2012
(adults 18-49; previous weeks in parentheses; repeats in gray)
4.0 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Voice
3.4 (---) (---)
(1.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) Go On
2.8 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Sons of Anarchy
2.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The New Normal
1.9 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Parenthood
1.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) SYTY Can Dance

1.4 (1.1) (1.7) (1.4) (1.6) (1.4) (1.2) (1.0) Teen Mom
1.2 (1.2) (1.2) (1.2) (1.1) (1.0) (1.0) (1.1) NCIS
1.2 (1.0) (1.1) (1.1) (1.1) (0.9) (1.0) (1.1) NCIS LA
1.2 (1.0) (0.9) (1.1) (0.9) (---) (0.9) (0.9) White Collar
1.1 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Hawaii Five-0
1.0 (0.8) (0.7) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (0.7) (1.0) Covert Affairs
1.0 (0.9) (0.9) (0.8) (1.0) (0.8) (0.9) (0.8) Hardcore Pawn
0.9 (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.7) (0.6) (0.8) The Middle
0.8 (1.0) (0.8) (1.0) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (0.8) Dance Moms
0.8 (0.8) (0.6) (0.8) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) Happy Endings
0.8 (0.7) (0.8) (0.8) (0.8) (0.6) (0.5) (0.7) Last Man Standing
0.8 (---) (0.8) (0.9) (0.9) (0.9) (---) (---) Shipping Wars
0.7 (0.8) (0.7) (0.8) (---) (---) (---) (---) Face Off
0.6 (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) Don’t Trust/Bitch
0.6 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) 9/11 Surfer
0.5 (0.6) (0.5) (0.6) (0.6) (0.4) (0.4) (---) Chopped
0.5 (0.6) (0.5) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (0.5) Conan
0.5 (0.5) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Flipping Out
0.5 (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (---) (0.4) House Hunters
0.5 (0.3) (0.4) (0.4) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.4) House Hunters Intl
0.5 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Private Practice
0.4 (0.8) (0.7) (---) (0.8) (0.7) (0.5) (0.8) The Daily Show
0.4 (0.3) (0.6) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) 19 Kids/Counting
0.4 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Poker
0.4 (0.4) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Property Virgins
0.3 (0.3) (0.5) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (0.2) Hannity
0.3 (---) (0.2) (0.3) (0.3) (0.2) (0.2) (0.2) Hart of Dixie
0.3 (0.3) (0.4) (0.3) (0.3) (---) (---) (0.3) O’Reilly Factor
0.2 (0.2) (0.2) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) The Next
0.2 (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) (---) Rachel Maddow

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  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    I'm liking Go On

    by jim

    Not sure how sturdy its legs are for the long run, but for now I'm looking forward to it.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Obama on Letterman,

    by angry kitty

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Dammit stupid iPhone - trying this again

    by angry kitty

    I am surprised Obama is on Letterman- I know this is an election year and he needs to be all popular and trendy. But what the hell? With all the shit going down in the Middle East I would think he's got more important things to do- Sheesh

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    james gunn confirmed for guardians of the galaxy

    by Uncle Pooky

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    sons of anarchy

    by jsfithaca

    is gonna be so goddamn good

  • Have fun wasting your time, my friends on both sides of the aisle ------bashing each other in the usual preprogrammed manner.. .with the same old same old ego-stoked nonsense that makes these talkbacks so very extra special. It's always fun!!!!! Geez, you'd think you guys were fighting over whether Star Wars or Star Trek is better- with slightly less anger.......... Who will be the first person to hurl a personal insult at a fellow geek, over a political difference, because they think that will make their argument stronger? And the games have already begun- at least Angry Kittly was to the point and civil - will that fine beginning continue, or deteriorate into juvenile witlessness? BZORP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • hank you Whedon for helping to make The Avengers a $1.5 billion SMASH!! I say- David Lynch for Dr. Strange!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Mcgootoo howdy

    by angry kitty

    Hope all is well

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    angry kitty - thank you sir.... and you as well, my friend...

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Guardians of the Galaxy is fairly lame

    by Marc Cerasini

    When the comic first appeared in the 1970s my friends and I (Marvel fans all) laughed at it and thought it sucked. And didn't the comic get cancelled? Now it's going to be a movie? More likely a flop, kind of like the Luke Cage movie they can never get off the ground.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by angry kitty

    That's ma'am to you buddy. And I hear you on the ranting- it gets pretty crazy sometimes. But for the record- I stand by my post. I do think it is poor timing for a President to appear on a show like Letterman when so much is going on overseas. That's my opinion and I am sticking to it.

  • (missing part of the cover though, dammit)..

  • you might as well be the first, and you are at least civil

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    hey mcgoo, kitty. how are things going?

    by Jared Parker

    anyone pumped for new SOA tonight?

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    and angry kitty

    by Jared Parker

    there's nothing he can really do right now in the middle east, anyway. they just have to settle down and let bygones be bygones

  • ENJOY!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    i'm okay

    by Jared Parker

    have a good day, man!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...don't know if you've got it but you can watch it straight through on Netflix streaming. Season one was good, two really good, three not so good and four better than three. It's a fairly loose play on Hamlet...with motorcycles. You know, I really loved Romero's Knightriders, so maybe I'd just like anything you put on bikes that doesn't intuitively belong there.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Overall quality of SoA...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you know, we're living in pretty damn good television times right now. For a lot of my life SoA would have been by leaps and bounds the very best thing on television. Even now it's in the hunt.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I think Romney's comment was insensitive and foolish

    by angry kitty

    I think overarching statements like that are incredibly stupid. That being said, I do think that there are many who take advantage of govt aide/programs. There are bad apples in every population. But that is a minority, not the majority- and certainly not the reason people vote. To say otherwise is highly insulting. To be completely truthful I am not too pleased with the voting options - for either side.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Romney's comments were beyond the pale...

    by Immortal_Fish

    How can he manage to recover when he's insulted nearly half the electorate? I mean, whether or not it's true, there are some things that you just do not say. Dividing and alienating the electorate is no way to win an election. Forever more, he's effectively lost the vote of the typical white people, the unpatriotic who don't pay their fair share, Americans who've gotten soft, midwesterners who cling to guns and religion, Catholics, the entire state of Arizona, and delusional businessmen who believe they built their own businesses. There is no possible way he can recover from such insults!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST

    jp1. I disagree.

    by angry kitty

    I think that there is more to the Middle East than some random protests to a video. I don't think our current administration takes it seriously enough. I agree Obama isn't responsible for heading out there and knocking heads together, but I do think he needs to be a strong presence. This is why I think going on Letterman is a poor decision. I'd like my president to be more, I don't know, presidential in times like these, than celebrity. I don't think the unrest oversees will just work itself out. I would love to be wrong, but I don't think I am. Oh and I haven't caught SOA since season 2. I thought the white supremacist arch was pretty great, but they lost me when they dove into that whole kidnapped baby- trip to Ireland plot. Has it improved?

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    angry kitty...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...season three was probably pretty much what you imagined it would be. Season four didn't start strong but hit its stride pretty well by the midway point of the season. And the season five opener was very, very good.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    immortal fish

    by thepoohguy

    Although what you say could be true, Obama, by supporting gay marriage, has split the African American vote by now having predominately black churches telling their congregations to stay home on election day. Talk about dividing your base.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    angry kitty

    by Jared Parker

    i'm loving the new season so far. i don't think there has been a threat like this to SAMCRO in sometime. season four was great, too. and clay murdrering piney? epic storytelling

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Anarchy is the best show on tv and gets no love from anybody

    by georgecauldron

    Virtually no awards or nominations, little coverage in media. Better than anything else, though.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Great news for the Mitt Romney fans:

    by Hercules

    A pollster has him ahead of President Obama: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Guardians of the Galaxy

    by Paul

    Actually they have been doing some pretty awesome storylines in the comics in the last few years. This is going to be a pretty awesome movie!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Ok I'll give SOA another try, thanks guys

    by angry kitty

    But I am going to cheat and skip season 3

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by angry kitty

    You just lI've st

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Herc

    by angry kitty

    You just love stirring up the pot don't ya? Posting those poll results? Two points ... You are cruel man just cruel.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    And please, can we get an edit function? Please!!!

    by angry kitty

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!

    by Coughlins Laws

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST

    I can see a 2016 campaign commercial now:

    by mjgtexas

    Jon Huntsman: The Guy With Magic Underwear You Should Have Nominated 4 Years Ago.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    I can't believe how FAR these secret Romney recordings go!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Who could have imagined there would be an America with such a polarizing candidate such as Romney?! He is so dismissive. Even derisive. Look! http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&list=UUX8L1a-YCkrrgrjNertfkZQ&v=a4aBlnqjUMU My last hope is for diehard Republicans like this site's Jercules to positively turn out the conservative vote.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I don't see a problem with Obama going on Letterman

    by bowtiehoon

    Shits always going down around the world. Its a big world. You only see what the media decides to report. Its not like he's jobs is to sit in the white house and work on problems 24/7. He's responsible for things but doesn't mean he has to do everything. That's what delegation is for. And there's really only so many times you can say to deaf ears, "We strongly condemn this crap, some douche did it, and it wasn't us!"

  • Romney made the resent mistake and a few years ago Obama made a very similar one. "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Obama's "You didn't build that" was an equal blunder that got a lot of people angry. Its hard to run an election and I definatly wouldn't want to be in ether of their shoes.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:08 a.m. CST

    georgecauldron

    by jsfithaca

    watch breaking bad and see if you still think soa's the best show on tv. that was awesome how opie just punched that cop ont tonights soa. i still really wanna know what those robbers real goal is

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    SOA is nowhere near the best show on tv

    by Monolith_Jones

    It's good but can be really dopey at times. The way the music kicks in when there's some shoot out or some other action about to happen is embarrassingly bad IMO. The acting can also range from terrible to great in a single episode(sometimes a single actor). I know this is all harsh, it is a good and enjoyable show but it's way below GOT, Breaking Bad and Mad Men, not to mention older shows like The Wire and The Sopranos.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Anyone watch Obama on Letterman?

    by Michael Lunney

  • And the dumbest part about it is that that majority of that 47% who are dependent on the government are whites in Red States who are registered Republicans. Fortunately, for him, these morons will most likely vote for him anyway against there own best interest.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    SOA > Mad Men, by a wide margin

    by Uncle Pooky

    Mad Men has interesting characters that do very little and move forward at a snail's pace. SOA features far more interesting characters that do a lot and have undergone substantial change.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    mjgtexas, Huntsman was there best chance to win

    by SergeantStedenko

    But, he was unwilling to play to to the extremist right and play dumb on things like evolution and global warming.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Herc, Rassmussin

    by SergeantStedenko

    LOL

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by Marc Cerasini

    Sorry I was working last night and not on line. I started collection comics in the lower 1960s, starting with, of all things, Captain Atom drawn by Steve Ditko. I raced into Marvel because Ditko was drawing Spider-man, Dr. Strange, etc. I have all the Spider-mans but the first six, and I have number two with half the cover missing. All the Fantastic Fours except the first eleven, and number three with half a cover. I never, ever collected The Avengers. At an early age I hated comic book mashups where Hulk knocks the door down while Thor throws his hammer and Iron Man--well, you get it. Legion of Superheroes never interested me either, nor did World's Finest where Superman and Batman pair up. I also love odd comics--Konga, Gorgo, Enemy Ace, Star-Spangled War Stories, etc.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    SOA, best show on TV.

    by shutupfanboy

    Rassmussin is being touted by the GOP for its accuracy, so I wondering how accurate it is. Most Polls show it being close, but when you get to battleground states Obama is winning by 5% which is a comfortable lead with a month to go. Real Politics has the senate tied now and probably going blue again if CT or Wisconsin goes blue.

  • Notice how it's not hurting him one bit...it's sad, but it is very true.

  • The Evil Queen and the Huntsman

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    fnabohy, you're wrong. The best show on tv right now is:

    by SergeantStedenko

    Wait for it. Here Comes Honey Badger Boo

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    The way it sits, Romney is headed for an electorial win..

    by Dan

    and the polls don't really mean dick. Carter/Reagan had the President ahead up to election day...

  • It's getting really old, between that and the insufferable GLEE. Happy Endings- watch it, love it.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    zod, how do you figure?

    by SergeantStedenko

    Romney needs to win Ohio in order to win. A state he is now behind in.

  • http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/09/18/time-for-an-intervention/

  • Bloody hell, this stuff writes itself! http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/ann-romney-mitt-doesnt-disdain-the-poor

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Gotta disagree uncle pooky

    by Monolith_Jones

    I think you need to watch Mad Men more carefully if you think the characters haven't progressed. Who on SOA has progressed more than Peggy on MM? Jax is pretty much the same guy from the first season, not that there's anything wrong with that.

  • Scott Brown (MA): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/scott-brown-mitt-romney-47-percent_n_1894964.html Linda (WWE Lady) McMahon: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/linda-mcmahon-romney-47-percent_n_1894618.html?1348001109 Even Teabagger Allen West: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/mitt-romney-allen-west_n_1893600.html

  • I'm not going to guarantee a Romney win, given that each side is still going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in ads and there are 4 debates coming up. But seriously, you think a guy who won't talk about his own record and will only attack the other guy is a lock to win reelection? Seriously?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    coughlins, trust me, I know where you are. I was there in '04 with Kerry.

    by SergeantStedenko

    Has that sinking feeling set in yet. For most conservatives it has begun to.

  • and that actually makes a HUGE difference... Carry on folks - looking forward to tonight's Big Brother finale!!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Also, curious about where this 12% Democrat figure comes from.

    by SergeantStedenko

    Is that a Rush Limbaugh talking point? I really genuinely would like to know.

  • WE may disagree politically, but so what? MY FF collection starts with #3. Wally Wood was another early favorite of mine- also loved his style. I am currently in the process of selling my collection- do you have any interest or do you know anyone who might?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Romney tells the truth and Obama attacks him for it

    by FeralAngel

    Because Obama has no understanding of truth...just ideology. Really, the Dems and junk media like Google News have hit new lows. All of them jumping on this "secret video" as if it reveals that Mitt beats up little kids and has a boyfriend on the side. Mitt's right - about "the 47%" and Palestine. Period. Those are facts the Dems don't want people to hear, because it's in their own best interests to keep people dependent on government because doing so will keep them in power, and to continue to mealy-mouth Palestine, because they think Obama's sweet talk will work on the people there like it's worked on far too many people in this country. Well, recent events in Libya have put the kibosh on that. It's amusing to hear Obama's lackeys say that the attack on our embassy there was "spontaneous" when the Libyans and our intelligence services say otherwise; Obama doesn't want even a mini-9/11 to happen on his watch. Except that it DID. As for entitlements, really, there's nothing wrong with people needing help and seeking help now and again. It happens. But with the economy in the pits and Obama continuing to spend spend spend THIS COUNTRY CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE! Kvetching about the "rich" as if they're the Great Satan is so goddamn dumb, even for Obama. If the economy keeps going the way it is, the rich will be the only people Obama's going to be able to tax - because the middle class will be sucked dry. And then all of the younger folk who think Obama's a Rock Star President will have to pay the bill. What a bunch of freaking morons!

  • The election could obviously go either way- no clear winner, so the debates could be very important this time. I am looking forward to the debates, my fellow American. Be well... Just curious, what kind of movies do you like? What was the last great movie you saw?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    You people who think Romney's blown it ought to read some polls

    by FeralAngel

    The race as of today is neck and neck and Obama's lost his post-convention bounce. It's the news media making a big deal about those tapes. REAL people are listening to them and thinking:"Son of a gun. That's exactly the way I feel." Romney has finally found his identity and something to run on. Those tapes are the best thing that's ever happened to his campaign. The left, I believe, has shot itself in the foot.

  • So, Romney can shit on his base all he wants. Most welfare recipients are whites and many are Republicans who vote against their own best interests.

  • They just don't make enough to have to pay Federal Income taxes under current rules. What Romney said was a bullshit statement from a bullshit politician who has no idea what he is talking about and therefor is unfit to lead this country. And please do your research before you respond to me with some B.S talking point courtesy of the Right Wing Talking Head Propaganda Hate Machine.

  • I really don't understand where your sense of confidence is coming from. It's really delusional. Let's see how Obama does in these debates where he'll be attacked for the first time. Let's see how Obama defends his record without the media making excuses for him. In 2008 Obama didn't have a record of failure yet and McCain was too scared to really attack him at all. Let's see what happens when he has Romney going after him. If he can deflect attacks on his record effectively, then I'll understand your confidence. I, however, don't don't believe he will come off good at all. He stumbles alot when he's off prompter. Tell me how confident you are in October. This race is tied and that's bad new for Obama. If he can't consistently get more than 50% in the polls, he can't win. Bush was ahead in most polls in 2004. Obama isn't.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    mcgoo, how are you, my friend

    by SergeantStedenko

    Unlike you, I do not think that the election could go either way. I think Romney screwed the pooch in the last two weeks and blew the election for himself and his party. The debates are just going to be the final nails in the coffin of his election campaign.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Of course Romney won't win Ohio

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Come here some time, seriously half the state is on assistance of some kind. I can't go to the grocery store without standing behind a "poor" family stocking up on tons of groceries that I would never buy because I make too much that I have to actually watch how I spend my money.

  • Nothing in this election favors Obama. Unemployment has been over 8% for almost his entire Presidency, and it would be more like 12% if they counted people who've given up on looking for work. But, you know, stay confident...

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Obama/Letterman clippage? Zzzzzzzz

    by drkmagneto

    We're supposed to care that the President goes on Letterman? Riiight! How about he does his job and meets with another world leader, Benjamin Netanyahu, who asked to meet with him. The President claim he didn't have the time. Hmmm. What's more important, appearing on Letterman or meeting with our only ally in the Middle East, which is presently on fire! Looks like misplaced priorities.

  • While baby daddy Vanilla Ice circa 2001 looking dude is behind mommy in line waiting to pay cash for cigs and "beverages."

  • “I think the most substantive part of this outcome is that Chick-fil-A has ceased donating to organizations that promote discrimination, specifically against LGBT civil rights. It has taken months of discussion, both with our organization and with the Alderman, for Chick-fil-A to come forward with these concessions and we feel this is a strong step forward for Chick-fil-A and the LGBT community, although it is only a step.” http://jointcra.org/

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Ohio is a must-win for Romney

    by SergeantStedenko

    He better hope that those voter suppression laws do the trick.

  • But, that said, I have family member who has schizophrenia and had he not get government assistance including food stamps, he'd probably be living on the streets. Romney has no clue as to what the average American is dealing with. Worse still, he doesn't care.

  • People need to vote, and certainty about who is going to win can actually stifle that vote. Keep the fasith though, we're gonna need it in a sluggish economy. The best thing you can do is to get everyone you know on fire to vote for Obama, and have everyone pay it forward. Nothing is certain in life. You should know that. Keep the grunts in line and make sure they do all their pushups...

  • If a poll samples 34% Democrats and 22% Republicans, it's not really an accurate predictor of how the election will turn out. That's not the amounts that will happen on election day. It's a Hell of a lot closer than that. Obama didn't even get that big of a gap in 2008 when he won an historic election. In 2010, when Republicans won big, it was almost even the amount of Dems and Reps that voted. This year, it will probably be somewhere between the turnout in 2008 and 2010. But does anyone on Earth honestly believe Obama will get MORE support than he did 4 years ago? There's no chance that will happen. The Democrat to Republican turnout in 2008 was about 32% to 28%. With as much anger as there is towards Obama and every poll showing Republicans more motivated than Democrats to vote, why would you possibly think that all of a sudden 6% less Republicans would vote. It doesn't make any sense. Please, do me a favor, for yourself, if you see a poll, read the whole thing and don't just look at the results. Look at all the numbers. Is it all adults? Is it Registered Voters? Is it Likely Voters? The only polls useful for predicting elections are polls of Likely Voters with Democrat/Republican/Independent breakdowns that are similar to exit polling in previous elections. 32D/28R/40I is about what happened in 2008 from everything that I've seen. Any huge deviation from that is either oversampling or undersampling somewhere and with an election that is this polarizing, counting too many of either party or too little of another party is going to sway the results too much one way or the other. Use critical thinking. Ask why. Investigate yourself. Don't just read headlines...

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko-I am too, and I'm with you on your bro

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Sadly all too often (at least here in Ohio) it's couples that don't get married, or are getting paid under the table, etc. abusing the system. But yeah, Romeny comes off as a miser, and in Ohio there's just too many people getting these kinds of benefitst that I assume he seeks to cut, so if they go to vote, it won't be for him. I mean he has a point, now is it wise to just write these people off, no, but at the same time he knows that he ain't getting their votes either.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    mcgoo, thanks, I agree

    by SergeantStedenko

    Fortunately, I think that people are finally waking up to the harsh reality of what a Romney presidency would mean for this country.

  • Again, head over to Nate Silver's blog ... and you'll see why Dems are confident. He takes ALL of the polling and compiles it into a statistic that states who is the favorite and why. He does this by state by state. It's a very analytical breakdown of numbers ... Right now, the polling is clearly in favor of Obama... Yes, you have The House of Ras to make you feel better but right now, they are what you call an outlier in the polling world. His polling data is not matching up with everyone else. http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/ It's like saying that one review proclaims "TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN' AS AN AMAZING MOVIE!" One person may have said that but on the whole, the reviewers agree that it's a shitty movie. The majority of reviews say it's a REALLY BAD movie. That one review, thus, becomes an outlier of the other reviews. When Obama wins in Nov, do me a favor and don't blame the win on electrion fraud or any other nefarious means of winning. For once, own up that the country favors the views in which President Obama has laid out for the next 4 years . Ahhh .. who I am kidding? Every time a Dem wins- the GOP ALWAYS tries to call foul ...

  • To drive a car, cash a check, buy cigarettes, buy beer, get unemployment benefits, get food stamps, go to the DNC, get a library card, just about EVERYTHING in life in this country, you need to show ID. But to vote, no way!!!! Racism!!!! Just waltz right up and say you're anybody, or it's racism, poorism, sexism, etc, etc, etc... Come on, you can't actually believe that, can you?

  • Then your admiration/love of your parties' candidate. We saw it in 1996 with Dole (Reps strongly hating Clinton) and in 2004 with Kerry (Dems stronly hating Bush), and we're seeing it now with Romney (Reps stongly hating Obama. Most republicans I talk too don't really care about Romney, they just want Obama voted out. That's usually not a recipe for success.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    coughlins, I will read all the details of the polls from now on

    by SergeantStedenko

    But that is not where I am getting my confidence. My confidence is coming from Romney's complete failure of late of running a viable campaign. And fromt he continued fact that this man has no clue and cannot relate to the average American on any level. No wonder he wants to just right off whole blocks of voters, including low income voters who vote Republican. Personally, I think that is a short sighted losing strategy and that is why I am happy.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Many counties in Ohio are purging their voting rolls

    by Samuel Fulmer

    So if you haven't voted since the last presidential election make sure you're registered, because if you haven't they may have purged you.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Coughlins laws

    by Judge Briggs

    Nice false equivalency... Nowhere in the constitution does it say we have right to buy cigarettes, alcohol ... etc etc ... Voting is a right afforded to use by being being citizens and not committing a felony. Also, voter ID laws is simply a solution in search of a problem because despite what you may believe, voter fraud DOES NOT exist (according to ALL available data)! You have a better chance of spotting a UFO than coming across a bonified case of voter fraud. Look around, my dude ... the country ain't getting whiter ... unless the GOP comes to grip that its policies do nothing for the upcoming generation, your party will be losing more and more elections. This coming from a 31-year old, white male.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    coughlins, you know as well as I do why the Republicans are pushing these laws

    by SergeantStedenko

    and it's not to prevent voter fraud. Please, I thought you were more intelligent than that. don't play dumb. Just admit it. The fact is that there is no evidence to support significant voter fraud. Yet, there is much evidence to support hundreds of thousand voters potentially being denied the ability to vote this year. A state legislature here in PA said up front that this law will help Romney win PA.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    We hold these truths to be held self evident

    by Samuel Fulmer

    that all men shall drink Boone's Farm.

  • sergeant - Right, it all boils down to whether disgruntled Dems hung up over their disappointments with Obama are more comfortable hearing the words *President Romney*

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The funny thing is the only time you actually hear about voter fraud

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Is when a conservative activist goes out and actually does it to prove it exists. The next thing you know they'll say goat molesting is a problem, and you'll see them going to the barn and committing atrocities against goats, and then from here on out the Republican legislature will pass a law so everyone needs an Photo ID in order to step foot on a farm.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    And here's the latest poll from...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute (released today): Virginia: Obama leading by five percentage points (51 to 46 percent), a Wisconsin: Obama leading by six percentage points (51 to 45 percent). (this is Ryan's home state... not yet quite like Romney's home state, Michigan, lost to the Republicans for this election cycle, but seemingly headed that way. And both Rove and the Koch boys have pulled millions of dollars in ads from Michigan, so they know the game is up there) Colorado: Obama leading by one percentage point (48 to 47 percent). Romney has already lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio. His big money men have already pulled advertising from the first two and there have been no fresh buys made in Ohio, suggesting they may be about to do the same there. This creates, in practical terms, an almost invincible firewall for Obama. It means, for instance, that if Obama wins Florida...he wins. If Obama wins Virginia...he wins. If Obama wins Wisconsin...he wins. If Obama wins Colorado...he wins. Romney has to win Florida and sweep these others. And of course, the poll above, released today, and all the other polls done over these last two weeks that correspond remarkably well with this very most recent one, occurred before Willard's LAST last Very Bad Day. But as my third favorite President, Teddy Roosevelt, once said: 'Gentlemen, nothing in this world is certain - absolutely nothing. The fate of the nation will be decided by the American people in November, and the fate of Morocco will be decided tomorrow by me.' The Morocco part (probably) won't apply to this election cycle.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST

    How does voter registration work in the U.S.?

    by jim

    Here in Canada, when I pay my income taxes each year, I tick the box regarding being included on the voter registry. Then, come election time (municipal, provincial, or federal - sometimes all 3 in the same year), I get my voter card in the mail with my name and address on it (obviously, since they mailed it to me) and where to go to vote. I take that with my driver's license to the polling station on election day. Efforts are made to educate those not registered how to do so, or what to do on election day in order to vote. However, being a lazy sod and registering myself in the easiest, quickest manner available to me, I don't pay much attention to the alternatives so can't really speak to how that works (or how well it works).

  • You really want more govt regulations with that? All the other things you cited are not constitutional rights, either, so no valid comparison. I would think that you would be for less govt. intrusion on our rights, anyway, but perhaps you aren't for smaller govt. like many conservatives... I don't want to make any assumptions, everyone has different likes and dislikes...

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    The voter registration card is meaningless now in Ohio

    by Samuel Fulmer

    I used to take it with me to vote, but now all they want to see is a picture ID with your address on it. If you happen to have just moved you either need to go to the BMV and pay 20 bucks for a new driver's license, or hope that you have an energy bill or the like with your name and new address on it to take in addition to your ID.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    red ned lynch-- great Teddy Roosevelt quote!

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Time to watch the Wind and the Lion again!

    by Samuel Fulmer

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Missed Obama on Letterman

    by Lando Griffin

    but did the part where the normally cranky old comedian enthusiastically fellated the President make it to air?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Teddy was a quote machine...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...another of my favorites... 'In the history of mankind many republics have risen, have flourished for a less or greater time, and then have fallen because their citizens lost the power of governing themselves and thereby of governing their state; and in no way has this loss of power been so often and so clearly shown as in the tendency to turn the government into a government primarily for the benefit of one class instead of a government for the benefit of the people as a whole.' This was from his 'square deal' speech: Here's another, made during the time period when he wa laying out a template for the relatioship between government and big business that helped build America into the greatest nation on earth: 'The great corporations which we have grown to speak of rather loosely as trusts are the creatures of the State, and the State not only has the right to control them, but it is duty bound to control them wherever the need of such control is shown. ' And this, from his 1902 State of the Union: 'Our aim is not to do away with corporations; on the contrary, these big aggregations are an inevitable development of modern industrialism, and the effort to destroy them would be futile unless accomplished in ways that would work the utmost mischief to the entire body politic. We can do nothing of good in the way of regulating and supervising these corporations until we fix clearly in our minds that we are not attacking the corporations, but endeavoring to do away with any evil in them. We are not hostile to them; we are merely determined that they shall be so handled as to subserve the public good.' And about a million others. I really love him.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    And yes, two of my three favorite Presidents were...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Republicans.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    ned, compare those quotes to this one: "Corporations are people."

    by SergeantStedenko

    Guess which clueless soulless political hack said that.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST

    @sarge: Classic - Here's the video too

    by obijuanmartinez

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2h8ujX6T0A

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I welcome the speaches that have come out

    by Paul

    Both candidates had a campain speach come out in the last few days, Romney's 53/47% and Obamas speach from Layola Univercity where he actually talks about distribution of wealth. Funny thing is that both sides are falsely claiming that its the nail in the coffin, its all silly. Campains go up and down as the normal cycle. While I suck at actually debating I wecome watching it, we have a clear choice between one candidate who wants to take money from people who enploy workers, making it so that they can't employ as many people and a candidate who wants to allow the employers to keep their money and thus hire more people and invest more money back into the economy. But thats one right sided opinion on things frankly this isn't a mistake on Romneys part, its an oportunity for him to explain the virtues of capitalism. Obama has the same oportunity to explain and preach the virtues of liberalism. Its kind of like watching two heavyweight champs, sure theres rough fighting, but its all interesting.

  • Reckon he'll be the one they send against Hillary in 2016!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez

    by lprothro

    Yeah, I skipped watching the RNC convention coverage but when I saw Christie on the news the next morning... I actually thought it was Chaz Bono.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    @paburrows_rises

    by Judge Briggs

    Curious - what is your background? What sort of job do you have? Care to share what income branch you are in? Educational background? I am always interested in why people vote GOP. I can understand the pro-lifers ... I can understand the elite ... but anyone who doesn't belong in those two groups, I can't understand. I'd love to know why you vote GOP.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    monolith_jones: SOA vs MM

    by Uncle Pooky

    I'll give you that Peggy on MM has progressed farther than any character on the 2 shows combined. But... that doesn't give MM the edge. There is no real turmoil on MM... Don Draper is never really in danger of losing anything. It's very hard to sympathize with Don Draper. He's successful and handsome, and yes he struggled in his past, and sure he has demons. But c'mon... he comes home from a job he has no danger of losing, to his penthouse apartment in NYC with his incredibly hot young wife. And that's after years of being married to another hot young wife *and* banging anything he wanted to on the side. Characters like Joan, Roger, and Pete are more interesting, but other than Joan, most of the secondary characters are pretty much flying in circles. SOA, it seems like every character is in danger of losing everything. There is always a threat. Anyone can die at the hand of anyone. Threats are internal and external. What's more, actions of one character can have damning consequences for others, without any sort of prejudice. One lie can lead to a death which can lead to a murder, and by the end of it, multiple lives are changed. It's a complex system that's dangerous 100% of the time. Plus, it has motorcycles.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Chris Chrispie-kreme should play the Rhino in the next ASM movie.

    by SergeantStedenko

    We already know he's playing the RINO in the next election.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    lprothro

    by Judge Briggs

    OMG! I laughed really hard at your comment ... SO FUNNYT!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    judge briggs

    by Paul

    I'm an artist and stay at home father, and middle class living in an apartment. I vote GOP both because of my moral convictions and because TO ME their economic values make more sense.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Sad part is---I'm dead serious!

    by lprothro

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    @paburrows_rises

    by Judge Briggs

    Care to elaborate on the moral convictions aspect of your vote? What sort of economic values does the GOP express that the Dems lack? And do you believe in suppy-side economics? That is- cut taxes on the wealthy so they create more jobs for everyone else? Thanks for sharing!

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    lprothro

    by Paul

    I actually laughed at that one also.

  • The problem with this is that taxes are already at record lows under Obama. They haven't been this low since before the Great Depression. The wealthy "job creators" have had 10 years of record low tax rates and where are the friggin' jobs?! How much more low can they go? And don't pretend that you care about balancing the budget when you want to cut taxes even more on the wealthy. The fact is that Romney's tax plan would actually result in tax increases for the Middle Class and do nothing to reduce the deficit and in fact make it worse. Obama on the other hand is only talking about allowing the tax cuts to expire on those who make $250,000 or more which is less than 2% of the population.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Pa Burrows...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...your suggestions about the effect of taxation would appear to be incorrect: Here is a quick overview of the results of a new study from the Congressional Research Service, 'Taxes and the Economy: An Economic Analysis of the Top Tax Rates Since 1945'. 'Analysis of six decades of data found that top tax rates "have had little association with saving, investment, or productivity growth." However, the study found that reductions of capital gains taxes and top marginal rate taxes have led to greater income inequality. Well into the 1950s, the top marginal tax rate was above 90%. Today it's 35%. But both real GDP and real per capita GDP were growing more than twice as fast in the 1950s as in the 2000s. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top tenth of a percent fell from about 50% to 25% in the last 60 years, while their share of income increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% before the recession.' You can read the entire study at the web-site of the Congressional Research Service. Should be small enough I don't have to tinyurl it: http://www.loc.gov/crsinfo/ The contrary argument since the report comes out appears to be...'uh-uh...come on guys, you know it doesn't work that way.' and 'oh yeah, turns out these guys were partisan all along, too, even though we were quoting them about food stamps last week!' I know the modern 'conservative' movement has replaced the New Testament with Atlas Shrugged, but I'm old fashioned, and there is a New Testament Verse I absolutely love... By their fruit shall ye know them. Pa Burrows, the above addresses the economic point you raised in an earlier post, but I am especially curious about the topic of moral convictions you have raised. The man in the second spot on the current Republican ticket, Paul Ryan, requires everyone in his office to read the writings of Ayn Rand. He refers to her as his single biggest influence and the reason he entered politics. The Randian philosophy has been widely embraced by the Republican Party. Now I realize that I am taking a bit of a risk by assuming the moral convictions of which you speak are Christian convictions, but if they are how can you possibly consider casting a vote for the Romney/Ryan ticket?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Also, paburrows, the last time the deficit was eliminated was under Clinton

    by SergeantStedenko

    In fact, Clinton left Bush with a SURPLUS, which he quickly squandered. The truth that the Republicans do not want you to hear is that it has always been the Democrats who have been the more fiscally responsible ones. The other hard truth is that there is NO WAY to reduce the deficit at this point without raising taxes. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or a dangerous idiot. (Romney.)

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Reagan did it

    by Paul

    in fact the Clinton surplus was a combination of the reslts of the Reagan/ Bush tax cuts and the Gingrich/republican takeover.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    btw, did the site change its URL??

    by TheSeeker7

    I've had this site bookmarked forever and it's been not coming up for me for days. It was always as aintitcoolnews.com. Obviously they dropped the "news" part... ?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST

    paburrows, Reagan and Bush would not be allowed to run for the current GOP

    by SergeantStedenko

    REagan actually raised taxes multiple times and both he and Bush Sr. were willing to compromise with the Democrats for the good of the country. Reagan understood that sometimes you have to raise taxes to balance the budget. This Norquistian no raising taxes under any circumstances crap has got to end.

  • the country was in a recession when Clinton took office and he was able to turn the economy around. Of course, you will probably say that it was the Tech bubble and not his policies, but you know what? That actually works both ways. How come Clinton gets no credit for creating a surplus, but Bush is no longer responsible for anything that happened during his time in office. In fact there are people who actually blame Clinton for 9/11. Even though Clinton's defense people gave Bush much intel that Bin Laden was planning to attack America. And of course, we know that Obama is completely responsible for the economic collapse and even though he fixed Wall St. and they are seeing record profits, these craven assholes still treat him like a... (fill in the blank)

  • I swear, last 2 seasons, I sat & watched the first episode, left for 4 weeks, and came back - minimal change, and I could pretty much fill in the blanks. Not trying to slag the show - I think it's good, but damned slow. That said, I did the annual ritual w/ her last week, and I must say, it was a pretty intense opener. I'm actually compelled to give watching SoA weekly a go...

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    And the brand spanking new Pew poll...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...still hot as fresh baked bread... http://tinyurl.com/9dmg432 I linked straight to Pew. Yeah, it's an eight point lead and the crosstabs are even more powerful than the lead. Once again, just a snapshot. That's all any poll is. But let's not pretend the snapshots right now are different than they are.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Letterman is the man!

    by DavidBanner

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    That's all good news, ned

    by SergeantStedenko

    Of particular interest: Connects well with ordinary Americans Obama 66% Romney 23% Advantage Obama +43% That is abysmal for Romney. Has their ever been a candidate this unlikeable?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Ok, I watched "Hot Set"

    by Adam Jones

    ...and was bored out of my freakn mind. Only has one person up against another in each episode. No boundaries or obstacles they have to overcome to design/build their sets. Just boring.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Pretty devastating, Sarge...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...just one poll, though. And even if/when the top of the ticket is completely safe, there's still control of the Senate to worry about. The trendlines look very strong right now for no more than a 1 seat swing red or blue, but it's not election day yet. If nothing else, if these trends continue it might convince the diminished Republican majority in the House to actually involve themselves in the governing of the nation. (it would take a wave election to turn the House blue, and I don't think we're there this cycle).

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    banthabreeder - yeah- but the sets were cool

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST

    TheSeeker7, the website has been aintitcool for years now.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    It used to be aint-it-cool-news I think way back in the day. I'm sure aintitcoolnews worked and probably still does, but it's pretty much just aintitcool now.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    And apparently not, Sarge...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...more (50%) continue to view Romney unfavorably. No previous presidential candidate has been viewed more unfavorably than favorably at this point in a presidential campaign in Pew Research or Gallup September surveys going back to 1988.

  • only 22 million under the GOP ... But I am sure the GOP will claim credit anyway.

  • http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/a-mood-of-gloom-afflicts-the-romney-campaign/

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Say G. Zimmerman gets off...

    by mjgtexas

    Would possible riots make some go Bradley effect?

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST

    mjgtexas - If a bear shits in the woods, does anyone hear it?

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by Paul

    Reagan only raised taxes because the democrats lied. The deal was that reagan would raise taxs and that the democrats would cut spending more then the sum of the taxes. Well when it can time for the democrats to cut spending they didn't. Reagan would be welcomed in our party with open arms.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko

    by Paul

    In fact if we're going down that road JFK if he lived today would be a Republican.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    pa burrows...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...really? You think modern conservatives would agree with Kennedy's idea that the perfect top marginal tax rate would be 65%? I think we've just made a compromise, then. You tell your side. I'll tell mine.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo...about Romney's comments...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I don't think they were either. I think Willard was trying to be a good sport and throw some red meat to his high donors, and because he's not really a doctrinaire conservative anymore than he's anything else he did it terribly. First, 11 of the 13 states with the highest percentage of those 47%ers (really 46%, but who cares?) are solidly red and mostly southern states. One of the two that isn't solid red is Florida and if Romney doesn't win Florida he has no chance of winning. He can win Florida and still lose but he can't lose Florida and win. The electoral map makes it impossible. Second, that 46% number is made up of seniors who worked their entire lives and are now collecting Social Security (which is NOT an entitlement...they paid into it their entire working lives) disabled veterans, poor children, and kids with student loans they have taken out so they can prepare themselves for the best possible future they could have. Third, the reason the largest percentage of the remaining group isn't paying any FEDERAL INCOME TAX (because those in this group still pay state taxes, local taxes, payroll taxes and all the rest) is because of the Bush tax cuts. Stupid, inaccurate and politically tone deaf is not something you do on purpose. Not even Willard. I really think it's a case of a vegan trying to throw some red meat.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Has their ever been a candidate this unlikeable?

    by Lando Griffin

    I don't have any data to back this up but of recent memory John Kerry comes to mind. Dems weren't voting FOR Kerry but AGAINST Bush. Kerry was not relatable and came off as a clueless, arrogant, wealthy, out of touch douche - sound familiar? I bet a few people reading this forgot the name John Kerry until I just referenced. Still can't believe he was the candidate in 04. I don't remember who else ran for the Dems in that year but surely there had to be someone better.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    There were...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...they ate each other in Iowa. Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Giant douche vs. turd sandwich

    by Lando Griffin

    whoever wins - we all lose

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Dean? seriously?

    by Lando Griffin

    No. Gephardt, I'll give ya. (Its like the most reasonable candidates are the first to go) But not Dean. Even discounting his meltdown (still surprised the media ran with it as much as they did) he came off as crazy, too far left even for moderate Dems.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    red ned lynch - so, to sum up your response then...?

    by Michael Lunney

  • The way the cheeseball rock music kicks in for every obligatory chase scene/shootout....urg. Just embarrassingly bad.

  • Thought he was a cool character that had his whole arc destroyed last season by the "cartel are actually cops" bullshit

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    McGootoo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...it was my very first sentence. Neither.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST

    rawbeats...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...sadly Randolph Mantooth is on SoA no more. I really thought he was a great follow-up government threat after the Ally Walker's Agent Stahl departed.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I thought his last scene was great, though...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...and let's face it, either something was going to happen to stop what he was doing or every season after four would be taking place in a federal correction facility.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    mad men>sons of anarchy

    by jsfithaca

    and if soa is slow, what show isnt slow? also if you think obama can't think his feet or defend his record watch this video of a Q and A between obama and house repubs. obama absolutely destroys them, and gop aides admit it was a mistake to let the cameras roll. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/obama-goes-to-the-gop-lio_n_442331.html

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Romney was correct in that boogey man video...

    by Dan

    He was no more outrageous than when Obama told those people to stop "clinging to their religion and guns..." Romney was at least stating a fact where Obama was playing the class warfare game, -again and being an arrogant, holier-than-thou prick. He likes the American people as much as he likes whitey, which is very little. I'm sure Romney is a douche if he should win, but I'd rather vote for a capable douche than an utter and complete, arrogant, unmitigated shit sandwich, jimmy carter failure. Romney's appeal is that he's not Obama and at this point that is good enough for me.... I know at least Romney will try something other than big government bullshit that does not work in the long term....never has...never will. You people will stop voting Democrat when you get out in the real world and earn some real money, have a family and get away from your friends... Dems have one goal- bring economic havoc.

  • Things didn't turn out so great two years later, but hey... still better than Obama.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    because the 47% comment wasnt class warfare at all...

    by jsfithaca

    and people do need to stop clinging to their religion. otherwise we wouldnt have these evolution denying, climate change denying, homophobic teabaggers halting progress. religion is a good thing, just don't ignore the world around you for it, and don't use it to enforce your will on others

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    William F Buckley

    by Paul

    William F Buckley was/is the Father of modern Talk Radio, Limbaugh, Hanity, Lavin, etc all were very close to him. If he was still around and on the radio you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between he and Rush because Rush teaches the same doctrine that Buckley did. To this day all of them mention him and the things that he would say regularly on their shows. He started the modern conservative and tea party movement.

  • most of the VOTERS who don't pay income tax vote for REPUBLICANS. Romney was lying through his teeth.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 7:06 a.m. CST

    because the 47% comment wasnt class warfare at all...

    by Dan

    It was the truth...it's already been stated so...and no there is no data linking federal income tax rates directly to voting behavior. We can assume all day long.... Obama wants to punish people that achieve which is odd considering what he's accomplished which is impressive for a guy his age. It's tiresome to here those idiotic words, "fair share," "give back,"- I give back by going to school, educating myself and being a productive person. I just wish the Dems would give everyone that courtesy and make school loan process easier and for anyone who wants it... provide the access and then get out of the way...watch people achieve like crazy...but no, let's perpetuate and prop up the welfare mentality...don't tell the people they are better than that, just tell them that are not good enough. Make them feel they need assistance. Pathetic.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST

    zodlovesmaude...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I'm glad you're going to college. 11 of the 13 states with the highest percentage of those receiving some form of government payment live in deep red states. 8 of the 10 states with the lowest numbers receiving some sort of government assistance are deep blue. Willard said that the 47% to which he referred were all Obama supporters. As a block. Therefore Willard was clearly either mistaken or lying. Even if you chose to make the absurdist argument that those deep red states, many of which, like Louisiana, have an actual majority of citizens receiving some sort of government assistance, were only deep red because those receiving assistance did not vote Willard would be incorrect or lying because he very clearly stated that this entire 47% (actually 46%) were Obama supporters. So forget the fact that this number includes veterans, active duty members of the military, the elderly who spent their entire lives paying into the system and those who currently do not pay income taxes specifically because of the Bush tax cuts. Although, yeah, all of that does make Willard's comments more incorrect and sort of pathetically offensive. Willard's statements were certainly not true. And yes, the government was unable to build the Panama Canal, was unable to put a man on the moon, was unable to, in a four year period, transform the entire American economy from a peace-time footing to a war machine capable of destroying the two greatest military powers of the day. Want me to list a few thousand things more. I take it, Zod, that you're not studying history. By the way, if you decide to take a look at history at some point, you might want to do a little reading about America's Gilded Age. Or maybe Dickensian England. Just to get a notion of what sort of life unregulated capitalism brings to a populace. Or read up on Teddy Roosevelt, who I quoted up above in this thread, and learn how the American version of regulated capitalism helped create the mightiest nation on the face of the earth. And more capable? Willard has shown himself incapable of running a political campaign. He's shown himself incapable of running a four day party. I guess he was able to run the Olympics, and that was certainly private sector success...well except for the 1.3 billion dollars the federal government had to inject into the Olympics to save them. And with the terrible handicap of being born not Latino to a rich man who ran for President himself Willard was able to continue being rich. And if Willard should get elected? Well, I hope you're close to graduating.

  • He published the National Review & hosted Firing Line on PBS (yes, that "evil" PBS modern conservatives deride) He had little (if anything in common) w/ laughing-stocks like Limbaugh*, Hannity**, et al. In fact, most of the toothless, shit-stomping hayseeds who listen to these barking frauds would dismiss Buckley as an "elitist" He chided GW Bush, and, of his presidency stated the following: "If you had a European prime minister who experienced what we’ve experienced it would be expected that he would retire or resign." *The only thing Rush Limbaugh can speak w/ authority on is where to score good meds, how to train the domestic help to fetch vicodin, and how miraculously his 4 marriages have yielded "0" kids (while preaching the sanctity of marriage & the wrongness of contraception) **Hannity is a sideshow attraction. Buckley would likely not get regularly owned by Jon Stewart the way our Seannie does: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-tears-into-hannity-other-pundits-for-hypocrisy-toward-middle-east/

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    obijuan...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...currently most, if not all of those old Firing Lines are available on Amazon Prime (you get it as part of a package that includes free shipping and we buy a lot of books and movies at my house). Watched one on 'The Hippies'. Jack Kerouac was on, so drunk he was nearly incoherent. It was beautiful.

  • Are you a$$holes saying that someone who works a sh*t job 40 hours a week, a job that you don't want to do, but someone has to do, that this person is not a hard worker and is a leech on the system? Is that what you are saying? This person probably works a hell of a lot harder than you do and they deserve our respect and they sure as hell deserve their tax breaks. Since when do Republicans complain about anyone ever having to pay less taxes? Oh, yes, when it's the working poor just trying to scrape by on less that $20,000 year, the poverty line. You people make me sick. You're heartless hypocrites. A person making Minimum Wage, working full-time is entitled to tax breaks, but Romney is entitled to a $70,000 deduction on a freaking horse. F' all of you heartless pricks.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Bravo, Sarge...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...well said.

  • And they have the balls to accuse liberals of doing exactly this.

  • Are you guys really offended by what he said? Do you even know everything he said? Do you understand the point of what he was saying? Does it even matter to you?

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    coughlins

    by SergeantStedenko

    A supposedly anti-tax party whining about people not paying Federal Income taxes is hypocritical. And trying to get someone who is trying to feed, clothe and provide shelter for a family on $15,000/year to pay more taxes just so it will be fair to millionaires, is not only hypocritical and heartless, but idiotic since you can't squeeze blood from a stone.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    YAY! Guber'mint pays for everything!!!!

    by Dan

    What a sad way to live...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    coughlins laws - to answer your question, yes, yes, yes, and yes

    by Michael Lunney

    Do you want to pay more, or less taxes every year? If you want to pay more, and you make less than $20,000 a year, then Romney should make sense to you.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    questions, that is

    by Michael Lunney

  • or are they just going to continue to obstruct any economic progress until Chris Krispiekreme becomes President. (LMFFAO)

  • And saergentdensko, you are really good at knocking down strawmen. Nobody is "anti-tax", you aren't running against anyone that is "anti-tax". It's anti-excessive taxation. Nobody is against policemen and roads and bridges and military. Your simple brains apparently make you think that....

  • They were given the House Majority specifically to stop Obama's policies. Democrats don't care at all about working with Republicans. If you want your policies to go through, vote for the politicians that will enact those policies. Elections have consequences. Whoever wins, enacts their policies. If Romney wins, do you really think that the Democrats will go along with his policies? Of course not, they will do everything they can to try to stop him. You shouldn't expect Republicans to roll over for Obama if Democrats wouldn't do the same thing for Romney. It's a ridiculous notion. Go win your elections. If you really are that confident that Obama will win, that means Congress will probably be controlled by Democrats, too, so you have nothing to worry about. Don't expect a courtesy that your guys wouldn't extend in a million years, though. Makes you look like an idiot...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Actually, no we're not all going to be taxed under obamacare..

    by lprothro

    only people of a certain income bracket who don't have health insurance. These are easily verifiable facts. Stop relying on pundits for your "facts" and look this sh$% up!

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Couglhlin is correct...

    by Dan

    The point is not the who, but that there are 47% on the dole... the rest is irrelevant. Now, we can call names and split hairs and parse words, but that's the point and something needs to be done. We are too big and too vast to continue on in wasteful spending as Obama and the Dems. For every person in need there are those who take advantage... $16 trillion in 3 years! THAT is obscene and should send anyone into a panic. As I said, educate people and we won't have this down the middle split between the classes. Education is the ultimate and fairest equalizer. There will still be those who don't want to educate or better than themselves, that's no ones fault, that's life so enough with the blame game.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Obama can talk about his record, but there is no record...

    by Dan

    not a good one... Gas has doubled since he entered office, unemployment still hovers at 8%... all the new debt.... the middle east debacle... and he apologizes to those fucking animals for rioting and burning the American flags... that is a loser of the worst kind...no thanks...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    coughlin's laws...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...please name an occassion on which a Democratic controlled House refused to raise the debt ceiling while a Republican President was in office? Not even an instance where a Democratic controlled House did so to the extent that America's credit rating was damaged. Just a case where it happened to the extent where that was a danger? The absolutely partisan, party first and America last attitude of the current Republican party is unprecedented in the modern political era. You know it. I know it. And after you fail to find an example of the above I will ask you another action taken by the current Republican controlled House. And ask if you can find examples of previous Democratic controlled Houses serving with Republican Presidents behaving in the same cravenly partisan, unfit to govern way. But let's focus on this one first. Give me an example. You will have taken your first step toward proving your point. Otherwise, you're just talking nonsense.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    @zodlovesmaude

    by angry kitty

    Thank you. Completely agree with you last post

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    And coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...there are really good records of what happened during the healthcare debate and the Simpson-Bowles discussions. Obama tacked so far right on healthcare trying to build consensus that he ended up with Romneycare light. And the Republicans, who a decade ago were holding up Romneycare as the sensible solution, ran as far away as they could. Please.

  • Dems voted for Bush policies, so your argument is without merit. Clinton helped to enact conservative legislation as well. But hey, you tried, it seems... I wish you well.... reacting to hysteria with more hysteria does not seem like the way to go....... Wally, do you want to go outside and play some catch?

  • At this point the Democrats don't even need to run a negative campaign; Little Wooden Boy's doing it for them... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/20/mitt-romney-undocumented-immigrants_n_1900600.html

  • Dumping Mittens to be (what else) a Wall Street lobbyist: http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/banking-financial-institutions/250599-pawlenty-to-take-over-as-financial-services-roundtable-ceo

  • THE GUY IS TOXIC... Hawaii's Linda Lingle: http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/170442266.html Nevada's Dean Heller: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/09/19/dean-heller-distances-himself-from-mitt-romney/

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Hey, McGoo...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...don't do this. You don't need to. Really, there's plenty of other folks here who can.

  • Of course, like now, no one actually wants to admit they voted for Bush, of course 100% of all conservative voters were for Romney during the primaries... No one will admit thet they were supporting someone else, or will someone please standup and tell me why I am wrong?

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Heller...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...should be in the middle of a slamdunk GOP pickup. The fact that he's bugging out is easily the most telling jump so far.

  • Your point is irrelevant...

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    ^^^^^admitted^^^^^^^

    by Michael Lunney

  • In fact, every poll taken in the last week on the realclearpolitics average of polls (EXCEPT the heavily Dem skewed Pew Poll) has Obama at 47% or 48%. He's NOT winning. The race is tied. And incumbent President needs to be above 50% consistently in polls to be assured of reelection. This President simply isn't as popular as alot of you here like to believe he is. You really shouldn't have so much tied up in one man. It makes it look like you're following a cult leader. He just isn't a good candidate with a record...

  • If it weren't for racism and uneducated whites on welfare who vote against their own best interests there wouldn't even be a competitive REpublican party. So, I'm all for education.

  • That sure is a reason to disregard everything I say, though, isn't it? It's really fun being attacked by 10 people at once, though. It's just amazing to me that some people believe Romney is going to "raise taxes" on the poor. It doesn't even make sense. He's never said anything about raising taxes on anyone, yet people here are trying to say he will do just that. Those people are either lying, or ignorant, or not very smart. Romney is not going to raise taxes. Period. End of story. It's just a stupid statement to make.

  • Otherwise, it might make it look like you're following a cult leader....

  • It's just not a very good argument. I can link you to half a dozen articles showing Democrats in Red States that don't want to be seen with Obama. And there are Republicans and Blue States in close elections that don't want to be seen with Romney. That's what happens in close elections. Thinking it's proof of something shows you haven't been paying attention to politics very long...

  • 47% of Americans are NOT on Government support. What is TRUE is that 47% of Americans do not pay Federal Income Tax. That does NOT mean that all those people get government support. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS. Also, many of those 47% are: -Senior Citizens collecting Social Security which they contributed to all their working lives -Working Poor who work full time jobs but make under $20,000/year which means that under current tax laws they do not pay FEderal Income Taxes -People on disability like War Veterans -Yes some of them are collecting food stamps, on Medicaid, but nowhere near 47% PLEASE, ZODLOVES, TELL ME YOU UNDERSTAND THESE POINTS.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Come on Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/?state=nwa ...I hate to do this (though it didn't bother me when I was in here by myself with four righties, one of whom was the vile gibberish spewing jay) but this is the front page of Real Clear Politics... ...which is a right leaning aggregator of opinion pieces and polls... ...look at their Presidential numbers (really, it's tab number one, right under their RCP Store)... ...and tell me that at this point in time Obama isn't winning. RCP has Obama up by sizable numbers in Virginia and Wisconsin and Ohio and with a decent lead in Florida. This are the figures on the web-site you're sending people to, Coughlin. You're past the point of asking them to ignore every data source but the one you approve of. You've reached the point of needing to tell them to look at only one spot on the data source you approve of. Anyway, everyone, follow that link up there to Coughlin's source and look at their Presidential numbers. Coughlin wants you to.

  • http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-senate-gop-blocks-student-loan-plan/2012/05/09/gIQAYJciCU_blog.html

  • it was the fact he was saying they will never take responsibility for themselves, their dependent on gvt, and just had an insulting, elitist attitude toward them even though most of them are in the military, or senior citizens, or working poor, or are unemployed due to the recession. most of the latter are still looking for work and would much rather be employed than on food stamps and welfare. the fact he considers all them government leeches is a much more divisive attitude than anything obama has ever said.

  • Anyone who says otherwise is either a fool or a liar.

  • And they seem to have no interest in actually understanding exactly what that number means. They are just so quick to buy into the this lie that 47% of Americans are leeches. And it is scary that completely devoid of compassion, they are willing to write off almost half of their fellow countrymen without even knowing the details. Scary. That it has become so easy to dehumanize people.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    *It's not my job to care about those people.* hmmmm....

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    obijuanmartinez, do you ever read any actual NEWS?

    by FeralAngel

    Because unemployment is horrible, the deficit keeps getting bigger, housing's in the tank, and a mini-911 occurred under the Chosen One's watch (Libya). Just in case you weren't paying attention. Why the FUCK would you want to vote for Obama now that we've seen what a wussy destructive mouthy tool he is? Get therapy dude.

  • Sept. 20, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    What "wrong thing" was that, mcgootoo?

    by FeralAngel

    Romney is standing by his statement. As well he should, because it's true.

  • ...but as for me, a citizen of the world & a resident of one of the 5 largest cities in the US, Obama's the pick for civil rights (women, gays, latinos, blacks, the working class, teachers, laborers, police, firefighters [and their UNIONS...oops! said a bad, socialist word!]) I guess your household brings in +200K / yr. then? Mine does not - ergo, I vote for Obama, not an entitled, clueless sycophant who panders to the fractional minority who hold the bulk of this nation's wealth, and himself stands for nothing, save greed, outsourcing American jobs, and offshore bank accounts Romney is a robotic whore, who will say anything his leash-holders instruct him on, whether it be dodging his previous stances on healthcare, gay marriage, or abortion. Grow up!

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Why Obama is a failure...

    by Dan

    on the surface it all sounds good; to hear Bill Mahr spew his bile and Rachel Maddow show off her stupid hair cut; they both have jungle fever. With some digging, the truth is more people were employed when Bush left office than are now; the Unemployment Rate (UR) under Obama is higher than anytime under Bush which means current job growth is bad; and despite losing almost 30% of the bailout investment ($25 billion of the $80 billion invested), car sales under Obama are weaker than 90 of Bush’s 96 months in office. How is this for success? Here are some more facts: 1) For an average family, it’s now seven times harder to get contraceptives than during the recession! Yes, here are the numbers: The high-end annual cost of contraceptives is $600. Annual income for average families fell by more than $4,500 since the recovery began. $600 fits into $4,500 more than seven times. 2) Gas prices are consistently higher under Obama than all but a handful of months of Bush’s time in office. 3) Median income for American families fell almost twice as much in the Obama Recovery than in the Bush Recession. 4) The CBO projected days before Obama came into office that the average deficit for FY 2011 and FY2012 will be $381 per year. It’s almost four times larger for each of those years; killing the dollar; hiking gas prices at the pump. 5) 133M people have now jobs. This is less than the 133.5M who were employed when Obama came in, and well below the 137.5M jobs we were suppose to have at the end of 2010 if only we passed Obama’s Stimulus. (Even if Gov would have not cut any jobs, we would still be millions of jobs short of the Stimulus projection) 6) The Unemployment Rate in the “bad” Bush Era was lower in four of his years than some of the Clinton Years, yet Dems say “We can’t go back to those years.” Indeed, with Obama we can’t. 7) The average UR in Bush’s first term was actually lower than Clinton’s first term. The UR in Bush’s second term was higher by less than one percent than Clinton’s second term. This is how “bad” things were a mere four years ago! 8) If we would have counted the UR when Bush left office the way we count it now (a major reduction in the EPR), the rate would have been 5.1% when Bush left; which is lower than the endless 8% plus Obama is giving us. 9) Home values are now lower than when Bush left office. 10) Net worth of Americans are lower than when Bush left office. 11) Income to college grads in recent years is 10% lower than in the later times of the Bush Era. More than half grads don’t even find jobs; and a ¼ of young adults moved back into their parents’ houses in recent years because the economy and prospects for a job and income all stink worse than the previous. 12) Obamacare has reduced Medicare and Medicaid grants to states. This explains why NY, for example, cut dental and prenatal care for poor, young, and old. 13) Health Insurers are forced to give more services due to Obamacare. It would have been great if not for them hiking premiums to cover all those “free” benefits. 14) Due to Obamacare, your ability to buy and cover health cost by deducting the expenses from your income and thus reducing your income tax bill, has been cut in half. Worse, many health items are not eligible anymore for this deduction! (Look at the changes in Health Savings Accounts if you don’t know what I am talking about). 15) Aside from killing OBL by tools and polices which he opposed as Senator, Obama has nothing to show for on overseas policies....Obama used Waterboarding and roof top balancing acts to find Bin Laden... Let us dissect why gas prices are so high....it's more than just supply and demand... There is still a drilling moratorium on in the Gulf and many rigs have moved to South America because of it! He has issued no new drilling permits. He has given leases but no permits! Because he can't seem to fix the economy we have done quantative easing twice which has caused inflation! His foreign polices in the middle east have failed and the region is on fire right now which will push prices higher. Iran has already said that they should be higher! He won't approve the pipeline from Canada to the Gulf. Gas prices are just on small part of the proof but there are many other things that prove he is not doing his job! Sounds like a dummy to me.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST

    And the worst part of Obamacare is....

    by Dan

    IF you don't have health insurance you are fined by the lovely government for a significant amount... I think it is $2,000! So much for being free, eh? How does this make any kind of sense...? For some working slub that's a huge amount. I know it for most people...no thanks.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Correction:

    by Dan

    The minimum assessment will be $695 per person (but no more than $2,085 per family) in 2016, when fully phased in. The amount can be higher depending on income. But there are exemptions for low-income persons and others. SO if you have no health insurance, big brother comes at you to make your life a living fucking hell....Disgusting.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    zodlovesmaude - you've convinced me- Romney has my vote

    by Michael Lunney

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Be strong, my children!

    by Dan

  • BZORP!!

  • Yes. All things considered and all things being equal.

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo - Not much of a choice :(

    by Dan

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Is it wrong of me to want another "Re-Animator?"

    by Dan

  • Sept. 21, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    zodlovesmaude - I was only agreeing with Romney

    by Michael Lunney

    and yes, it would be wrong of you - Re-Animator does not need to be remade

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    NO REMAKE! Sequel....

    by Dan

  • Sept. 24, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Children of the Corn....

    by Dan

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