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SPOILER ALERT! AICN COMICS PODCAST: The @$$holes check out the best of the first two weeks of DC’s new #0’s!!!
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Ambush Bug here. The below hour-plus long conversation took place between myself and my fellow @$$holes Matt Adler, Optimous Douche, and our host Johnny Destructo of PoptardsGo.com as we talked about a slew of DC #0’s; PHANTOM STRANGER #0, ACTION COMICS #0, BATMAN #0, ANIMAL MAN #0, SUPERBOY #0, TEAM 7 #0, FRANKENSTEIN – AGENT OF S.H.A.D.E. #0, SWAMP THING #0, GREEN LANTERN #0, BATMAN & ROBIN #0, GREEN LANTERN CORPS #0, another tantalizing edition of @$$terpiece Theatre, reader emails, and of course, more general jack@$$$ery!
Looks for more of the Holes rambling about comics on Poptards, follow us on Facebook here, and in future AICN COMICS columns!
Readers Talkback
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Really liked Superman Action Comics #0
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Sept. 18, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST
Everyone needs to quit praising Snyder's slow beyond slow Swamp Thing...
by Greg Nielsen
It's hurting Animal Man. It's like he can't move the plot along and you can tell Snyder just wants to write that too. I don't dislike Snyder. I don't care about Snyder. I actually think American Vampire is pretty nifty. I can't stand how slow his Swamp Thing is.
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They need to keep this guy around who did the Earth 2 fill in. We all know Nicola Scott is gonna fall behind eventually. I like his weird John Byrne/Ivan Reis meets Frazetta-ness Also, hilarious Alan Moore trolling at the end. Mr. 8 is Adrian Veidt but in a robot suit.
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Not even one complete story on a year is awfully slow, true that! I still like it but the plot hasn't moved much in months. Will they ever resolve the rot and arcane Or will they just be ongoing serials ?
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Do they go a the beginning of the ongoing New 52 books, or do they belong after whatever the last issue was in each series, or are they their own thing entirely? Since I read all the Batman/Gotham titles and haven't read any of these yet, I'm wondering.
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Sept. 18, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
9 go at the beginning, 1 goes after issue 12 (GL), 1 is entirely it's own thing (PS).
by 3774
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Sept. 18, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST
That's a 'I see your question and raise with a guess', btw. I don't read any of these titles.
by 3774
With the exception of borrowing my boyfriend's Green Lantern. I debated T7, but want to see where it goes for a couple more issues before I'll spend money on it.
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Sept. 18, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
On Swamp Thing "the plot hasn't moved much in months."...
by Greg Nielsen
That's the thing neither has Animal Man's... Literally 26 wasteful issues spent on Scott Snyder's slowness. It's aggravating beyond belief. Jeff Lemire is killing it on Justice League Dark cause he can set his own pace and what do you know. Stuff happens. Nothing happens in Scott Snyder world. Except in American Vampire and even then that thing can drag sometimes. Oh and his Detective Comics issues. Swamp Thing and Batman from him are exercises in time killing.
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Why do we need this team, it just points out how bad of a decision the five years before was.
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Sept. 18, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
The real question is why Team 7 is written by Justin Jordan and not Fabian Niceza, Bob Harras, or Rob Leifeld and the other 90s castways...
by Greg Nielsen
I love DC but this is like the island of misfit toys but they aren't cute and they aren't funny and they aren't gonna save Christmas.
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Sept. 18, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
On a positive note: I still love The Elementals back issues I keep finding...
by Greg Nielsen
Thought we needed some positivity. Someone should do an It Came From The Long Box for The Elementals.
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Are you talking about Willingham's Stuff for Comico? If so, its a great run of stories. Actually if you look at Willingham's entire history of books, there really isn't anything bad in the whole lot. We have Elementals, then Pantheon, then Dreaming and Sandman Presents and then the Fables universe. A pretty awesome comic run for a writer. I am really surprised with as big a hit as Fables has been that the Elementals stuff hasn't been gathered up in into collections. At this point I can't imagine that wouldnt make money. -Tig
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Sept. 18, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
@tigger11 - Oh most definitely referring to Willingham's Comic work!!!...
by Greg Nielsen
That stuff is genius. It's like now but in the 80s and with better execution. In fact all of Comico was at least 10 to 20 years ahead of it's time. Justice Machine is WildCATs mashed up with Legion of Superheroes with a bit of Sleeper tossed in all before WildCATs and Sleeper existed. Elementals pretty much is Vertigo before before Vertigo. Willingham is the real comics genius not Alan Moore.
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Sept. 18, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST
I have never read an Elementals book...nor do I know what that is!
by Poptard_JD
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Sept. 18, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST
@JD: Elementals is only one of the best comic book series of all time!!!
by Greg Nielsen
It's like taking Fables and mixing it with the Avengers and another liberal dose of fantasy Captain Britain Excalibur style. It's so good. The plots were insane. The characters are equally insane. The pencils are amazing. Willingham drew a bunch of the issues himself. A bunch of the superheroes as pop stars stuff is in it and this was back in the mid 80s when that was anything but the norm. The characters are more Watchmen than Watchmen with their hang ups. I'm losing my cool with my excitement for The Elementals JD. It's all your fault!!!!
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Wait...are you trolling me?
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Why? Just seriously..why?
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Sept. 18, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST
I'm firmly a Marvel guy. Adore the Batman mythos, (don't mind Superman) but cannot get into the DC universe as a whole (campy and weak)
by Sean
So...a year on or so and the new 52 still alienates me even further from wanting to explore it and get to know it...let alone a comic book virgin dipping his toes in the water, wanting to try out comics...maybe after seeing a DC movie or animated film. I'm waiting for the new 52 to fade away and the previous continuity to revert back. Everytime they do these company wide reboots, the continuity gets worse, not better. Same with the Ultimate Marvel universe. It was created to make things more simplified for new readers coming on board, however what is to stop Ultimate Marvel falling into the same alleged problems of confusing deep history that the regular Marvel Universe has...10, 15, 50 years down the line? At least the normal Marvel U has pretty much been that same since day one. If new readers don't know what is going on at what ever point they enter Marvel or DC's comic lines...there are plenty of resources to get up to speed.
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Sept. 18, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST
Willingham also did Coventry, which should have gone longer...
by Jaka
...and is quite obviously where some of the earliest seeds for Fables came from; Proposition Player, his first work for Vertigo, which was along the same strange and surreal lines as everything he was doing at that time; Ironwood, a hardcore adult book that actually had a great story and incredible art. The guy definitely has a very solid track record. I'm pretty sure Elementals would have gone on longer if Comico didn't fold and send it bouncing off around the comic book publishing universe. A nice remastered reprint of Elementals would definitely be appreciated.
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...I love Birds of Prey. Having her involved in T7 pretty much compels me to at least keep an eye on it, and see where it goes. They've been teasing the whole 'killed her husband' thing for a year now.
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Hey guys, I'm curious about the comments regarding how slow Snyder's run on Swamp Thing has been. I've been reading swamp thing for about 25 years now (scary to type that) and it's pretty much always been a slow paced burner. The book has always been about Alec/Swamp Thing's inner struggle with his humanity. I started reading shortly after Alan Moore took the book over, and ever since then it's been a shining example of Russian literature techniques in comics. For me, Snyder's run on Swamp Thing feels spot on. That's a tough book, because to write it successfully you have to resist the urge to turn it into whatever is popular, and just let it be what it is. Commentary on the human condition, on the state that we find and leave this world. Anyway, just curious if you guys that are familiar with the character and writing style of the book (historically speaking) or if the grudge is more with Snyder, whose other works I am not familiar with.
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You'r far more learned than I am sir. I despise Russian Literature, so that could be where my distaste for SWAMP THING comes from. I was a theater major in college and abhorred every time we did scene work from Uncle Vanya and The Cherry Orchard. My taste has always leaned towards "pop" and "new culture," but I always try to remain respectful of the things that have come before. After all knowledge and ideas are exponential. Interesting, I think you helped hit the nail on the head for me and why I could never get into this series. Thank you....
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Sept. 19, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
lol, not trolling @yorgo! honestly never read it or apparently anything by Comico...
by Poptard_JD
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Besides Elementals they were also the original publisher of Matt Wanger's Mage and Grendel. They also released a lot of books that had previously seen bits and pieces make it out from other publishers, or that would continue someplace else after Comico folded. Troll Lords, The Maze Agency, The Trouble With Girls, Justice Machine, Fish Police and many, many others. Lastly, they published many original graphic novels in an over-sized (magazine) format. Ginger Fox and Rio are two I still have. They were definitely missed for quite a while after they filed for bankruptcy. These days there are any number of companies doing what they were doing back then, but it took years for them to show up.
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We'll have to change that. Maybe Optimous has some otherwise I'll see if I can find some of the trades in the 200+ boxes trying to crush the 2nd floor of the house into the 1st floor of the house and send them your way.
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cuz aint nothing worse than pissing out your butt, that's some crazy shit that you gotta go to the ER shite. but seriously fuck you guys for making laugh and enjoy some geeky shit. i mean it, stop it dudes, you fucking suck. no no seriously, thumbs up, mutherfuckers.
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