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Hercules Loves Tonight’s First BOARDWALK EMPIRE Of 2012!!

I am – Hercules!!

HBO says of “Resolution,” tonight’s third-season premiere of “Boardwalk Empire”:

While hosting a New Year’s Eve party for 1922-23, Nucky makes a resolution that does not sit well with Gyp Rosetti, a touchy gangster with a thirst for bootleg whiskey. Margaret looks to build on the Thompson endowment at St. Theresa’s Hospital, to her husband’s displeasure. In the absence of Jimmy and the Commodore, Gillian builds a new business while monitoring Richard’s mentoring of her “son,” Tommy. In Chicago, Al Capone is rankled by Irish mobster Dean O’Banion, and Van Alden stumbles onto a confrontation that could change his career path. Written by Terence Winter; directed by Tim Van Patten.

Notes on tonight’s installment:

* Those who think nothing ever happens on “Boardwalk Empire” will be rethinking this evening.

* The first character we meet tonight is Gyp Rosetti, played by Bobby Cannavale (“The Station Agent,” ABC’s “Cupid” reboot). I fell in love with Rosetti from his very first scene. If Jimmy Darmody had to die to bring this character into the series then I am down with it.

* The second scene brings back Nucky and giggling Doyle. I love this scene almost as much as I love the first scene with Gyp Rosetti. It’s so good the Coen Brothers could have written it.

* There’s another character introduced tonight, one named Lillian “Billy” Kent, a new onstage partner for Eddie Cantor. Billy is played by actress Meg Chambers Steedle, who could be the hottest woman alive. The minute I laid eyes on her, my lizard id cried out “get her naked.” Wish granted! We get to see a lot of her naked, in this episode and next.

* Fugitive former G-man Nelson Van Alden is back tonight, and his scenes are wonderful. He’s calling himself George Mueller these days. I’m loathe to reveal more.

* It’s a big episode for loveable phantom assassin Richard Harrow tonight, for all you Harrow fans.

* Nucky has kind of an Oprah moment tonight.

* He’s not mentioned in HBO’s logline, but Micahel Stuhlbarg is terrific as always tonight as Arnold Rothstein. Ditto Christopher McDonald as U.S. Attorney General Harry Daugherty.

* Not everybody is back this week. Chalky White skips the premiere, as does Nucky’s incarcerated brother Eli Thompson. Both come roaring back in 3.2.

* How does it end, spoiler-boy?

Margaret spies an aeroplane.

9 p.m. Sunday. HBO.

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  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:13 a.m. CST

    Michael Shannon is at the pinnacle of acting.

    by Mr Soze

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Richard Harrow character is up there with Al Swearingen

    by Mr Soze

  • the guy is one of the best parts of Boardwalk Empire...but then again is criminally under-used as is much of the excellent case...hopefully Chalky, Rothstein and Capone get some major storylines this season...Manny Horvitz and Owen Slater were also great new additions to the show last season the last 3 episodes of Season 2 were the best of the entire series...the stuff with Gillian and the finale with Nucky killing Jimmy was riveting stuff

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Welcome Back

    by Waspo

    The Three B's of Boardwalk... Boobs, Beer, & Beatdowns.... I have mised this show. Plus, this show has one of the best openings in all of television. We don't get creative or even cool looking or sounding opening credits aside from this and a show like Game of Thrones, and man are the credits wonderful.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST

    True Blood has a great opening credits

    by alan_poon

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST

    HBO always have good opening credits

    by theGoldbergV

    Carnivale, John from Cincinnati, Rome, deadwood, GoT, The Wire, Six Feet Under, Sopranos. All great title sequences. I wonder if this year BE can go from being good to great. There's always been something preventing it from joining the highest echelon of HBO's stuff. The last few episodes last year were awesome though.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I love this show

    by I am_NOTREAL

    ...but can easily see why it may not be someone else's cup of tea.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    so does this in face take place a couple years after the finale of season two?

    by Bullet_time_Facehugger

    Winter said it does, but it doesn't sound like it from this description.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    A couple of bad opening credits sequences on HBO

    by Toe Jam

    The retooled "Big Love" opening credits was fucking awful, especially compared to the original, and the one for "The Newsroom" is, in the immortal words of Casey Kasem, "fucking ponderous, man." "Boardwalk Empire" has a great song and great visuals, but the anachronism between the two is a bit jarring. I still wouldn't consider its opening credits bad, though. I think in a decade or so we'll all remember "True Blood" more for its stellar opening credits than anything that actually happened on the show. Except for maybe Lizzy Caplan fully nude.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    season 2 was in 1921, so year and a half

    by Halibut

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Opening credits

    by Rob0729

    I think HBO does do some of the best opening credits around, but I thought The Wire blew it by changing the artist who sang "Down in the Hole" each season. The Blind Boys from Alabama's version was so far superior to all the other versions (even Tom Waits' original) that it was a let down after season one.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    The fuck is life if it's not personal!?

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    Ever since season 2 ended, I've been dying to see what they do with all of Jimmy's story time now that it can be devoted to the likes of Lansky, Lucciano, Capone, and Rothstein. Best show on TV, hands down!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by mypalfish

    Is that a real-life based character? The name sounds so TV contrived to me. My favorite BE scenes are still Richard making his scrapbook and Richard being sketched by Jimmy's wife. And the less Kelly MacDonald, the better, imo.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    If this third season of Boardwalk improves...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...on season two as much as two did on one... ...we'll have another serious contender for the pound for pound best show on television.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    The best thing about Herc's rundown.... (SPOILIER)

    by Rob0729

    He doesn't mention Margaret once at least until the Inviotext. I love the show and everything was great last year except for her. I liked her in season one, but last year she was a bore and brought the show to grinding halt every time she was on screen. I am excited for this season though. Everywhere I read, Cannavale is reported to be an instant hit. I am looking forward to Nucky going full gangster than half a gangster. I am hoping the absence of Jimmy will put Richard more into the forefront. Also, looking forward to the continued rise of Capone and Luciano too (1923 is a big year in real life with Luciano in which he screwed up a major drug deal that almost ruined his gangster career, but with the help of Arnold Rothstein saved his reputation).

  • Anyway, Herc, I don't understand why you never put real spoilers in your column. Instead of riddles, put what actually happens in the invisotext, then we idiots can decide if we want to ruin the show for ourselves or not...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    McDonald is a great actress...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...but last season she was trapped in that role we've seen way too many times in way too many shows. From Diane Keaton's Kay to Anna Gunn's Skylar, the wife as a portrait of Dorian Gray, absorbing all the poison from her significant other's gangster lifestyle, is just a trope that has been played out too often, in too many permutations, to ever seem very fresh. And fundamentally, I think, Ophelias are mush less interesting than Lady Macbeth's. Hopefully this season will take her down a more interesting path.

  • So now they've turned their collective attention to Margaret Schroeder. As a huge fan of "Boardwalk Empire," I can assure you there is nothing boring or lame about Margaret's storyline. The problem is that some of you geeks just get bored by any sort of plot thread that doesn't involve violence or some other male-oriented action. Much like Skyler, and Carmela Soprano before her, Margaret is a shrewd, masterfully written character you shouldn't underestimate. And if you simply dismiss her, you're missing a huge and important part of what makes "Boardwalk Empire" so great.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    toe jam, i can't believe that I'm saying this, but red ned is right...

    by Coughlins Laws

    Margaret is one of the reasons I have trouble watching this show. The actress does everything they ask her to do and is attractive enough. It's just not gripping entertainment. As far as the show being violent, I'm willing to wager it's just as violent as The Sopranos was. The difference is, there's just way too many characters to keep track of and they go weeks without showing characters or saying who they are, and then they show up just to be killed. The cast is too big and everyone gets short-changed. Nucky didn't even seem like the main character last year. He probably got the most screentime, but I wouldn't be willing to bet on it and I cause I think it was just barely...

  • Once she found out, she felt trapped because she knew she was an accessory. I don't know how she would react, but her husband had been lying to her for a year and then she found out he blew up a Nursing Home to kill one guy, how would you react to that information? I'm sure you wouldn't just go back to business as usual...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Coughlin...Toe Jam...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I'm not that guy and I'm glad to see you aren't either. I'm sure we'll argue again. You'll do your best and I'll do mine, but we are not our disagreements and we are not enemies. We simply have issues on which we disagree. Toe Jam...I'm sorry you're having that knee jerk reaction. Carmella was actually a very different sort of character than the others mentioned. She did not exist in that very cliched tradition of the virtuous female slowly driven to madness by the actions of the man in her life, her every character development fundamentally dependent on the actions of that male character. She was not a solely reactive character, her every action dictated by a time honored reaction to what her male had done, her rebellions consistently passive aggressive (read cliched female character's). One reason I don't like that sort of character (other than the fact that it is such a lazy path, cribbed straight from the bathroom stall of the old writers' home) is that it is so paternalistic, so dependent on a view of women that was always wrong and at this point is also rote. I have nothing but admiration for McDonald. She was so good in No Country that she held her own against a squad of the best actors working today, playing a very specific and original character. And she's been good with what they gave her here. Her scenes with her family last season worked solely because of the subtlety and conviction she brought to her performance. last thing. You hit the nail on the head about Nucky. The show has kept the audience at arm's length from Nucky and that has been an issue. Partly this was because the show originally used Darmody as the real viewpoint character, revealing the world of the Boardwalk using him as it's primary vehicle. Partly it was because of Nucky's character. He's a spider, not a lion, and spider's depend on disguising their intentions until it's time to bite. The last half of the second season, when they let us see Nucky more intimately, because he was vulnerable, was easily the best the show has been.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Mornings aren't for me...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...apostrophes, anyone? Anyone? It seems I've got a bunch extra.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Kelly MacDonald

    by Extr3m1st

    She's a fine actress and not bad looking either but I tend to agree when she is on screen the show comes to a screeching halt.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I understand..

    by Extr3m1st

    that she is shrewd but I find her character a bit unbelievable. I mean before she met Nucky she was an extremely poor mother with a few kids living in fear of a very abusive husband. She had no way out of that and was basically doomed to that life forever in those days. Nucky comes along and fixes it all for her, who gives a shit how he did it. She certainly wasn't in on it and has nothing to worry about in that respect. But all of a sudden she is turning on the guy that basically bailed her out of a miserable life where her kids would have nothing and she would end up maybe dead from a beating she gets from a no good gambling scumbag husband. I like some scenes with her, especially in the first season but last season some of the stuff with her in it was suffocatingly slow.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    FUCK WEEDS - TWEET #JengaNolaughs tonight

    by Dead Snoopy

    TWITTER USERS: Tonight is the final episode of #WEEDS, which is ending as it's 8th season concludes. Unfortunately the last 4 seasons have been utter shit, so it's more like we're putting down a sick animal. Send the show's creator (Jenji Kohan) a DIRECT MESSAGE re:her ineptitude & take the time to tweet #JengaNolaughs tonight.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by theGoldbergV

    My fave version of 'Down in the hole' was by the Neville Brothers for season 3. Treme is another great opening title sequence. Love that one. I don't get the hate for Margaret on these boards. It's not really the same 'long suffering wife' trope as seen elsewhere, and Kelly MacDonald nails everything she's asked to do. The problem with BE is if anything, with Nucky, who just isn't as magnetic a central character as Tony Soprano or Walter White or even Tom Kane (yeah, I went there everyone watch Boss it's awesome). Hopefully with all the conflicted emotions he'll have over Jimmy's death he'll be more compelling this year...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Dead snoopy

    by theGoldbergV

    Granted I haven't seen seasons 7-8 but 5 and 6 were pretty good. At least with Weeds you can't accuse them of not shaking it up or taking risks. Even if it doesn't work, I don't see why you want everyone to tweet their disgust to the show's creator when it's ending anyway. What's the point?

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    on margaret

    by jsfithaca

    great in season 1, shouldve saved like half of her plotlines in season 2 for different seasons. season 1 was slowish, so her scenes worked and were interesting. season 2 was incredibly intense so whenever her plotline came onscreen, it was incredibly frustrating because we wanted to see what was happening with nucky, jimmy etc. her scenes also took up SO much goddamn screentime, and it honestly felt like filler at some points. i bet if i rewatched season 2 i would like her storylines a lot more but when i didnt know what was gonna happen in the other storylines it was frustrating. also i loved all the different opening credits to the wire. my personal favorite was season 4.


  • Sept. 16, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    The end of season one...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...positioned Margaret to be a character of fundamentally strong and traditional for the period values and morality who also had the clear-headed and pragmatic ability to become a valuable and canny partner to the man she had taken into her life. It could have been a great character, conflicted but canny, the sort of thematic answer to Gillian Darmody that the very best drama traffics in. The second season forced her down a less interesting and well beaten path. And yeah, I'm frustrated that with an actress as talented as Macdonald at their disposal this was the way they chose to go.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    And dead snoopy, I've got agree with goldberg...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I gave up on Weeds midway through season three, but that's way too much hate to carry for any show that permits you to change the channel.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    And okay, Toe Jam, mrd just supported your point...

    by Red Ned Lynch devastating style, but that isn't my problem with what they've done with the character.

  • No but really she looks exceptionally hot and exceptionally young. WIN WIN!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Weeds has sucked for a few years

    by Extr3m1st

    I used to laugh my ass off all episode long. Ever since they left Agrestic the show went down hill. And once Shane murdered that chick and she fell in the pool, that was pretty much the end of the show for me. If I laugh once or twice a show now I am shocked.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Anybody have a link to a good Season 2 recap?

    by georgecauldron

    Can't find anything on youtube.

  • I think it would be less annoying if her story was spread out and not front and center...

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Love this show

    by Beau

    So stoked that it's back tonight!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST


    by Dandelion.

    I can't help but think WHAT WOULD JIMMY DO? Or WHERE WAS JIMMY DARMODY? Or WHY WASTE JIMMY DA'MAN!? The last 3 episodes of the show bumped the entire series up to another level, and felt like a 3 hour gut punch. But for all intents and purposes it should have been a series finale. The way the show should have gone? Margaret and Nucky wind up at odds by the end of season 2, and he kills HER(to avoid going to jail or something) as his first true murder. Jimmy sticks around being interesting, and then run the final 3 episodes of season two more or less like the series finale however many years down the line.

  • Sure, he could do it once or twice, but then the advance screeners would dissappear and he'd be threatened with legal action. Better to keep the riddles coming, I think!

  • But still, why would they care for HBO? I don't understand how ratings matter for HBO shows, anyway, since it doesn't determine ad dollars cause the people have to subscribe HBO anyway. Oh well....

  • If 11 million people tune in to watch True Blood, that's a good indicator that people -will not miss this show- and will subscribe or resubscribe to HBO. If a show has extremely low ratings, especially vs it's cost, there is no point in keeping the show around. The more higher rated shows they have, the more subscriptions they will get. If all their shows are doing In Treatment numbers (less than a quarter of a million) then goodbye HBO as we know it. I'm not sure I understand the corrolation between spoilers and ratings that you appear to be suggesting, however. I assumed it was just a matter of integrity. I mean, I might be pissed if I read a spoiler I didn't want to read(THANKS NORDLING!) but 99 times out of 100 I'll still watch/read whatever it is regardless.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    You've got guns, we've got guns EVERYBODY'S GOT GUNS!

    by ndally

    Is that scene from the trailer in tonights episode? Is that the Oprah moment?(You get car! You get a car! Everybody gets a car!)

  • Piss poor, completely out of tune with the show.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    That being said, I'm fucking pumped. I love this show.

    by Tim

    Besides the credits, obviously.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    By the way, mrd...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that was a damned fine thing you wrote.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    I too love Boardwalk Empire's opening credits.

    by Hercules

    LOVE. The hate confuses me.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Margaret had her moments last season but

    by Hercules

    I must say I tire of her efforts to appease an indifferent Jesus.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    I like Boardwalk's Opening credits, but I can see the hate

    by Rob0729

    The music is really good, but really don't fit into a show based in the Prohibition era. At first, I thought it was a little off putting, but now I like it.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Love the show...

    by DougMcKenzie

    but Michael Pitt was a real draw. Haven't really been impressed with Bobby Cannavale's work before. Kind of broad and not much subtlety as an actor. Hopefully he can show a new side here.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by Rob0729

    I agree with Herc's analysis. Margaret was great in season one when she was an innocent dealing with her conflicting feelings about getting into bed with Nucky (both literally and figuratively). This season, they ruined her as Nucky's moral compass by adding her religiousness into it. Not only did it cheapen her conflict with the world Nucky is introducing to, but it made her character annoying.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Is Agent Van Alden back this season?

    by IAmLegolas

    I love that creepy motherfucker. Him and Richard Harrow make this really fun to watch.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Open credits music...

    by IAmLegolas

    "Straight Up and Down" by Brian Jonestown Massacre ... probably picked because of Michael Scorsese's involvement? Since he loves the Stones and all, this song is close enough to them at a cheaper price. I'm not typically a fan of out-of-time-period music in period TV shows and film either so I understand the hate. But at least it's not within the show itself.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    First scene with Gyp Rosetti...

    by PDepew2181

    ...and I can't wait for him to meet an extremely violent end. Fucking mafioso piece of shit.

  • by Kerry Condon, with liberal employment of dis-robing, of course.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST

    (spoiler) I guess Richard...

    by PDepew2181

    ...ain't making up with Nucky. Too bad since one of the preview trailers I saw made it look like Owen Slater's gonna get whacked by Rosetti. But, Charlie Cox is in the opening credits now, too, so maybe not. Also, seeing next week's preview with Rosetti talking about guns, I'm just hearing the Marx Brothers in Duck Soup. They got guns, we got guns, all god's chil'en got guns.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Season off to a good start.

    by Rebel Scumb

    I for one have always liked the Margaret stuff, to me the show is about the era, not just the mob, and she allows us to see a lot of other aspects of life in the 1920s.

  • Does Gyp have the sickest insults or what? Guy had me laughing my ass off when he went off on everybody. The Harrow scenes with Jimmy's kid were brilliant. Heartbreaking, too. I don't know if it's because I'm adopted or I just really like Richards character but the scene at the carnival and with the painting hit me hard. Great stuff. Also, watching football today I must've seen 10,000 commercials for "the mob doctor" on fox, and William Forsythe is a main character. I turned to my friend and said, "I wonder if he'll die on Boardwalk soon". Crazy shit. Love the Van Alden scenes as well...the part in the flower shop was classic!

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Van Alden's scenes

    by PDepew2181

    I think I felt sympathy for him for the first time ever. Also glad that Rosetti had the decency to not kill the dog.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    Thank you Red Ned

    by MrD

    That really means a lot. Been trying to get the website going for some time, but this "life" thing keeps getting in the way.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    is that quoting Clarence Bodecker?

    by IamZardoz

  • Lack of Jimmy wasn't noticable yet, but that's partyly because they haven't completed the rounds of characters. I think, 3 or 4 episodes in, it will really become apparent and I will be very sad and put off by the show as a whole. McNulty sat most of season 4 of the Wire out, but you knew he was just around the corner waiting to come back.. This just sucks. The Chicago crew will be the thing that makes or breaks this season for me.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Ok i love this show and yet..

    by ndally

    I feel like there's way to many characters for 50-60minutes a week. And all the jumping around from town to town. Im at odds with myself cause i love the capone stuff but the show is called Boardwalk Empire. Not East Coast Empire. I duno. Not enough time to spend with the best characters. One other thing. I don't ever feel Nucky is ever under any great threat because the dude is featured in the opening credits so you know he's going to make it til at least the last season. I know the Sopranos did the same thing but the show was called "The Sopranos" so you expected it. This show isn't called "The Thompsons" so it takes some of the suspense away, especially with the attempted hit on Nucky last season. Of course it was going to fail the asshole is the only person in the opening credits! And yet I love this show.

  • Plus the show more or less sticks to history, so the major figures that are based on actual people (like Nucky) are bound to stick around. Now if they just decide "Fuck it" and kill Capone next week Basterds style, well, then come back and we can talk.

  • Sept. 16, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Kelly MacDonald/Margaret - I guess I'm in the minority

    by Jaka

    Because I love her scenes. I actually look forward to the scenes with her and Nucky. They could do an entire show with just them and I'd watch it.

  • It's more than stunning how they have brought the 20's back, the show totally feels like it's happening then. The music is also just perfect, every song is a delight and really makes you kinda respect a more simple time. The scene on the beach at the end is a great example of them just capturing the tone right. As for the ep itself, a damn good one and hopefully opens the door to a strong Season 3 that can compare to the dynamite season 2.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    That good samaritan, with his fancy "3-in-1" talk!

    by Hercules

    I love Gyp because he found that dog a home. We'll be seeing a lot more of that hound. Let's hope she doesn't get caught in any crossfire.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Obscure Creepshow reference?

    by Hench4Life

    I'm willing to bet money that the screenwriter for tonight's episode is a Creepshow fan. Short that, "My friend's call me Billie" and Adrienne Barbeau's "Just call me Billie" and amazing coincidence of pop-culture?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    what a great premiere

    by jsfithaca

    the show seems to have lightened up a bit. its a little less serious and a lot more fun without losing any of its great character development, writing or time period encapsulation. this is gonna be such a great fall season. the sons of anarchy premiere was awesome, the boardwalk premiere was awesome, the first 25 minutes of homeland were awesome, their going to the prison in walking dead, and maybe dexter will rebound from the last two lackluster seasons. so excited.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST

    For some reason I thought Gyp was a returning character

    by FrodoFraggins

    He certainly made a strong impression. Unfortunately Nucky and Margaret are not compelling characters, regardless of the skills of the leads.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST

    and also

    by jsfithaca

    gretchen mol is fucking bangin.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:58 a.m. CST

    frodofraggins are we watching the same show?

    by migmog

    Nucky makes the show and Margaret quite rightly is the examination of conscience when all around is built and fuelled by corruption To give in to the temptation to make this just abut gangsters speaks of the difference between HBO and THE MAJORITY of US network television. I for one know for 1 hour I will be drawn into a world which is harshly interrupted by the end credits The show is a masterpiece and even the nerd rage, pot belly, un sexed AICN naysayers will just have to agree on that one

  • But I HATE HATE HATE the opening titles.......worst music choice.

  • Instead of Grammer playing Mayor Kane on BOSS I do like Buscemi, and he's highly amusing in his constant 'why do I have to keep repeating the obvious!?' type situations he finds himself with people of lesser intelligence But he does always feel, if not miscast, at the very least oddly cast as Nucky.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    The Coué method

    by walt

    sticking that into the episode was a shot of brilliance...for it was indeed used as a part of training door to door salesmen i felt uneasy the entire epi...and im sure that was purposeful but dear god, cant forsythe get something where i can see him on a weekly basis?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST

    brian jonestown massacre and why the opening theme works

    by walt listen to the entire song, google the band, especially the founder, anton and then use your head ive had a running twitter pen pal sort of thing with anton and i believe that he was born at the wrong time, and belongs among the bohemians of the era

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    The credits don't work for me either

    by Monolith_Jones

    It's less about the song than it is the heavy handed, pretentious symbolism. It's truly awful. These things I think can be traced back to the Annie Leibovitz( I'm guessing) promo pics for The Sopranos, which worked for me. Since then, though, tv dramas have tried to ape that idea rather unsuccessfully. The worst example us probably that promo pic for Damages where one character us stepping out of a car and onto the neck of another character who's on the ground. So, so pretentious. Also the setting of BE credits just plain looks fake.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb I agree about Buscemi

    by Monolith_Jones

    I love him as an actor but there's so something about him on this show that just doesn't feel right.

  • Awesome detail

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    @Mr thegoldbergv

    by albert comin

    Too true about HBO's opening titles sequences. Rome's opening credits made me want to join the roman legions.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST

    good show. glad its back on

    by palewook

  • i cant get that seinfeld outta my head

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    @Mr vameon

    by albert comin

    If you ever been to Atlantic City, it's eerie how exact they got the geography of the boardwalk. While the buildings architecture is completly different (almost nothing of the 20s buildings survive), the rest is so exact it's as if they did had a time machine and filmed in loco. Fantastic production design, better then most movies, i tell you. HBO is boss.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST

    @Mr monolith_jones

    by albert comin

    Maybe it's because you guys are so used to see Buscemi playing low rent criminals and weasels that for you it's strange to see Buscemi playing a suave, sophisticated ladies man and well dressed top boss. One of the things i totally love about Boardwalk Empire is how they don't use Buscemi in the typical cliche way he has been used by Holywood. The producers of Boardwalk Empire show imagination in using the great talents of Buscemi in an original way. How can one not love that?

  • Did Nucky have the butcher killed at the end, or did Richard do that on his own? Who does Richard work for these days (who does #2 work for? heh heh)? The episode made it sound like he's merely a caretaker for Jimmy's mom... Doesn't help that I'm not remembering all the fine details of season 2 and who was responsible for which failed assassination attempts... Thanks!

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    You can't trust Nucky's friendship

    by Bumpasses Dawg

    If he offers to take you under his wing; run.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    I thought Harrow killed Manny in retaliation for killing Mrs. Darmody

    by Paul Shade

    He was much more fond of her. Plus Manny didn't kill Jimmy.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I figured Richard killed Manny simply because Nucky had no more use for him

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

    He's going to be dealing alcohol exclusively to Rothstein, he's looking to limit his exposure, and so since Manny was asking for a setup of his own, Nucky figured "Why keep him around?" What I wanna know - are Owen and Margaret still fucking? A lot of people seem to not be fans of the former Mrs. Schroeder, but her story has always been one of my favorite aspects of the series. Gyp is terrifying. Loved Al Capone's scenes this week. And George Mueller, of course.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    But yes I'm sure for Richard the killing was more personal because of Angela

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    But yes I'm sure for Richard the killing was more personal because of Angela

    by MrEkoLetMeLive

  • I'll give it a couple more episodes...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah as someone mentioned, thanks to fox for spoiling BE

    by skycrapper

    Mob Doctor, what terrible looking show. Richard Harrow has to be the best character going on TV now. The problem with BE is that we all know who is safe. Still a good show though.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Van Alden's scene with the "nanny" - 2 babies???

    by jim loder

    maybe I've totally forgotten/missed something from last season, but when Van Alden goes home with the flowers, he points to his daughter in the crib and asks how she's feeling, and then the nanny is shown holding another kid, this one an infant boy she's breast-feeding. Huh? I thought they were masquerading as husband and wife because Van Alden was on the run from the fends, but did he really marry her and knock her up in the past year and a half? If so, that's a pretty huge plot point that they snuck in there.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Didnt like it

    by AshokForgiven

    Idk... this seems like one of those shows where the focus is more on the era than telling an actual story. I might give it 1 or 2 more eps but I'm not too impressed with BE. Oh well, Fringe premieres next week, YEAAAAHH!!!!!!

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Best Season Premiere Episode I can remember

    by Itchy

    of any show. Just fantastic. Had character development, big surprises, introduced a great new character, showed a believable transformation for Van Alden while making us somewhat sympathetic for the guy, and showed off a hot new set of tits. I have very high hopes for this season.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, I forgot manny killed Angela. Of course.

    by Tim

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Opening credits...

    by eldarion

    I've long suspected that the opening credits for Boardwalk Empire is actually intended to be the last ever scene of the show - and a way for the producers to demonstrate, at the end, that they always knew how it was going to end. Take a hard look next time - Nucky staring out over the Atlantic...the ocean filled with bottles of booze...he doesn't look happy. Might be that's the ending. Nucky's final eff you to the whole damn bootlegging industry.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST

    someone let me know when

    by animas

    Michael Shannon is the main character. The rest is boring shitty and pointless.

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    there isnt only one irish accent, so mcdonald's is fine

    by walt

    as someone who grew up in san francisco, among a lot of irish, i say she nails it

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    who could be the hottest woman alive? Cute face but really?

    by Cosmik

    Hyperbole much?

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by walt

    the german nanny had a thing for van alden its not like women had many choices back she chose to go with him and be his all facets watch the vid again...seems that van alden has mellowed he still sux as a father...but he is engaging himself in self help therapy however, he is about to become muscle for the irish mob...very cool

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Darmody's Mom Question: (SPOILER)

    by obijuanmartinez

    So do I have correct that Jimmy's mom (in 1 fell swoop, it seems): 1) Inherited the Commodore's luxury mansion 2) Became a madam 3) Has turned aforementioned manse into a high-end brothel? Hopefully, she'll resist her Oedipal urges with this kid...

  • Sept. 17, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    gilian inherited the mansion and wealth

    by walt

    she had the commodore rewrite his will im sure we will find out why she chose to be a madam

  • I was wondering what the hell they would have the Phantom and Jimmy's Mom do with Jimmy and his wife dead. I was a bit worried that Phantom would hatch some season long plan of revenge against Sausage Man Sobatka but he just shot him in the face last night. He can't even get revenge against Nucky because Nucky won't die anytime soon. So it'll be interesting to see if they can find anything for him to do now. Jim's Mum is running whores so they can have her be part of the shady business still going on in the town. Otherwise she wouldn't be in the show anymore.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST

    RIP Jimmy Darmody

    by TheEdge

    Psychologically wounded WW1 vet with an Oedipus complex, loving father with a Lesbian artist wife...oh man, Jimmy was great character, compelling, original. Killing him off was a mistake. Buscemi's Nucky is not a very compelling lead and the Gyp guy might as well be Tommy from "Goodfellas"- been there, done that. The only character I still find interesting is Van Alden, the scene in the flower shop with O'Bannion was classic!

  • I remember some scene in some episode where Nucky has a whore in his lap and he says "I try so hard to be good, I really do" or something like that. And when you go back and watch the first episode, it is true. Having Margret's husband killed was something the audience could get behind and made him someone to root for, even if he was doing bad things too. Him going "full gangster" and just being a douche in general is not compelling or interesting. He wasn't good long enough nor did he have a cause great enough for us to really be behind him as a bad guy(Ie Walt on Breaking Bad). Him being "full gangster" would only work if he had a decent foil that the audience could really get behind (JIMMY) and now that the foil is gone.. well. Shit. I'll just post this again next week since this TB has pretty much fizzled out.. but the more I think about it the more I already realize how fucked this show is.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    i still think nuckys compelling as fuck

    by jsfithaca

    the only complaints ive been hearing i actually agree with are the margaret complaints, and shes not even as bad as a lot of people think. the show is as good as it ever was and if you give it a chance it will work without jimmy.

  • I think also, with Buscemi it's hard to believe even in the 1920s, and even stinking rich and powerful that he would be such a ladies man. Nucky comes across as this very Bill Clintonesque charmer, and Buscemi IS playing it well, he makes me believe it, and he is very compelling, but it just doesn't feel like a role that comes naturally to him.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree, and again I'm fine with Buscemi in the role, and in a way the odd fit and against type casting sort of adds to the compellingness. I'm just saying in an alternate world Grammer would have been my first choice.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    @Mr rebel scumb

    by albert comin

    Speaking of Grammer, i have yet to watch "Boss", i heard it's pretty good. Also, and it's funny you mention Grammer, because he does match better the physical description of the real life person which Buscemi's character is based on in "Boardwalk Empire". But really i can't faul the cast of "Boardwalk Empire". It's perfection. Special word should go to Michael Stuhlbarg as Arnold Rothstein and Stephen Graham as Al Capone in that this two play characters based on real life people and they played to perfection to the point it looks as if they stepped out of the history books directly to the screen. It's uncanny how good they are. Magnificent actors the both of them. Added bonus on Graham since he's english. On the fictional side, i love everytime Anthony Laciura as Eddie Kessler and Jack Huston as Richard Harrow are onscreen. Those two are great, they become two of my fave characters. Laciura scenes with Buscemi are pure gold. Laciurda also mad efor me one of the funniest moments in the show his character called a solder an "asshole" after enduring another jab at being a german in post-WWI.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Gillian didn't have the commodore re-write his will

    by heylookoverthere

    When the commodore died he hadn't revised the will in years. It left the bulk of his estate to his former servant, the lady who was poisoning him in season one. Gillian just ripped it up and chose to pretend there was no will, so Jimmy would get the money. Jimmy made sure before he died that if anything happened to him the money would go to his son. I guess as caretaker of Tommy Gillian has control of the money until he turns 18.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by HoboCode

    What a shitty actor. Talk about overacting. The guys who play Luciano, Capone, and even Mickey Doyle give such nuanced performances. Then Cannavale comes in playing Rosetti like he's been dying to play a mafia role his whole career and so brings to the role every cliche in the book. Sad.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Cannavale is terrible

    by mypalfish

    I know the character is just the stereotypical mob-thug, but it's almost like a cartoon portrayal. And it stands out since there are so many great performances in the show. If this guy is supposed to take the place of Jimmy, I'm not sure it's going to work. And while I love the character of the Phantom, those scenes with the kid weren't the greatest, due to the awful acting of the child. That's one of the things that makes GOT so good...all the child actors are terrific.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST

    I fear for Van Alden's safety.

    by heylookoverthere

    it looks like he might end up aligned against Capone, and that can't be good. I laughed when the guy making bathtub gin told his wife Willy Loman was at the door.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Jesus are people stupid.

    by Dancingforever

    Let's try to help a few of our friends here who are haing a tough time... Jimmy's Mom, as clearly shown in the episode, is still writing checks under his name. There is ample evidence that "legally" he is still considered to be alive but back over seas or wherever. By proxy she would be able to keep running the estate in his name. Since Nucky was responsible for his departure, it makes sense that either he through influence or her through pay offs has the ok from the police to do so. Richard appeared to kill Manny of his own cognition. However as others have pointed out, he no longer served a purpose to Nucky. This leaves everyone to speculate on "How will Nucky re-act??????OMGZ!!!!" Well he probably told him to do it and there will probably be a scene with them together next week to establish this. If Nucky didn't ask him to do it, then it goes to the next thing people here have such a problem with..."What are they gonna do with him, now his character is donez, lolz" of course after beating it into our head a million times how important his sister is, I'm sure he won't end up there right? She's only in Wisconsin. Hey Wisconsin is really close to Illinois, hmmmm. Lastly, the hate for Margret. Wow. "Her story is boringz, lolz, she stupid." Or the high level dissertations on her needing to be more Lady MacBeth, Jesus Christ. Is it so hard for people to watch a story from a women's POV? People say her character is cliche, have you thought about Nucky's character, Owen, Chalky etc.etc. The show isn't for everyone. There's no Dragons or swords, sorry. There is an abundance of is fine acting, great sets, and a wonderful narrative that slowly builds. Either enjoy it or please fuck off.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    New to AICN dancingforever ?

    by Itchy

    Spending all your time in a thread bitching about a show you hate yet seem to watch every single week is a cherished past time for the assdribbles that inhabit this space.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Well itchy

    by Dancingforever

    What do we do about it? Do we put up with it, or do we kick them in the cunt? Maybe you are right, I've only been here since 99, still learning.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    Agreed, its a phenomenal show, and an amazing ensemble Since you mentioned BOSS, it's definitely worth checking out, and Grammer's character is similar to season 1 Nucky in that he's a politician who is also sort of half a gangster BOSS is solid but hasn't quite achieved greatness yet, mostly because its a show that is more interesting than it is engaging, because all of the characters are so cold and ruthless, But it IS worth checking out

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Holy crap! I agree with dancingforever on something

    by skycrapper

    There are some slight story problems with BE but the attention to detail in the production values alone make it worth watching.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST


    by Itchy

    you can do nothing about it. It's like Harry raving about Godzilla - just grin and bear it. If the Godfather came out today, people would be bitching that it was slow, and that Brando was hard to understand and Fredo was the Jar Jar Binks of mob movies.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST

    boss is amazing

    by jsfithaca

    the last two episodes of the first season were epic.

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Opening credits are horrible, totally out of synch anachronistically

    by sauronthepowerful

    Childish to say the least. 60's proto retro nostalgia in a 1920's prohibition show. Lazy, trite, and played out by Scorcese.<p> Of course herc likes it.......

  • Sept. 18, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by sauronthepowerful


  • Which was completely pointless and out of context since sword and sorcery as entertainment has ALWAYS been considered the lowest of the low. That's exactly WHY it's so surprising that Game of Thrones and Spartacus have succeeded. Boardwalk Empire is a great show all on it's own merits. No need to compare and contrast it against anything else, because there's really nothing like it. Certainly not on the air right now. The thing it resembles the most in tone and tempo is probably the Sopranos, another BRILLIANT show that was working within TIGHTLY predefined cliches.

  • Sept. 19, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST

    There's no way Nucky told Harrow to kill Manny

    by untidy

    With Jimmy out of the picture why would they even be talking? Nucky also has Owen to take care of that kinda stuff. Harrow knows Manny killed Angela and has to suspect he was at least involved with killng Jimmy. Killing Manny was definitely his own personal vengeance.

  • Also, the new whore at Gillian's manor who bears more than a passing resemblance to Angela is totally going to be Richard's new love interest.