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300: THE BATTLE OF ARTEMISIA Gets A New Name!!
The Kidd here...
I can just see the discussion in a Warner Bros. marketing meeting right now...
"People aren't going to know what the hell an Artemisia is..."
"It's a place."
"Will we have to explain it to them? You know they're easily confused."
And, as a result, the follow-up to 300, originally titled THE BATTLE OF ARTEMISIA, has now been renamed 300: RISE OF AN EMPIRE, which sounds a bit generic. Oh well... at least it's not 300 2. They gave us that much credit.
300: RISE OF AN EMPIRE is set to land in theatres on August 2, 2013.
-Billy Donnelly
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This film has fail written all over it. Whose going to spend $20 for tickets to see this?
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST
I ENJOYED 300 BUT IT THINK THIS IS GONNA BE RUBBISH
by ilovemichealbay
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST
JUST DO GOD OF WAR FILM WITH RIDLEY SCOTT DIRECTING
by ilovemichealbay
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endless possibilities.
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What film started this "Rise" craze? Was it T3: Rise of the Machines?
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just call it LAWLESS and move on..
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In other words, let's continually treat people like they're morons. It makes them docile and more willing to accept movies starring steel belted radials and 40something child men screaming at the camera. But hey, at least is sells Happy Meals...
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After Artemisia, the persian empire lost any interest in conqeuring greece. Athens did took the oportunity of persia backing down and it spreaded it's influence throughout the Aegean Sea and as far as south Italy and Sicily, but in all it's movements it was counter-acted by Sparta. Athens and Sparta became de facto enemies, and Sparta was founded by money coming from Persia (the irony is too precious to not go unmentioned). The true greek empire that raised was much later with the young macedonian king Alexander The Great. So, really, unless i'm fucking up about history and i'm forgetting something, what empire did raised after Artemisia? On a different subject, since this movie lacks Zack Snyder in the director chair, it might have a good chance at being good.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST
Dumb down the title...big shock, something else "rises"
by nephilim138
fuck you, hollywood morons.
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Now, I don't remember all of my Greek history from ancient world civ...but how exactly is this going to work? The title doesnt make any sense. Is this a prequel? And they have exactly 300 again? Interesting. I suppose calling it "several hundred men in a battle loosely related to the events covered in 300" WOULD be a bit of a lengthy title. name recognition. What're you gonna do?
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Right?!? Pretty sure there aren't going to be 300 soldiers here. I guess this is like Halloween III: Season of the witch. Conceptually it's in the same universe, but who gives a fuck?
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Temperature rising. We don't want doughy flaccid muffins man.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
300 2: Electric Boogaloo --- The most epic breakdance battle OF ALL TIME!!
by cmjmia
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Rise of an Empire? What fucking empire!?! The Persian Empire certainly didn't grow any greater after failing in its invasion of Greece, and the Greeks didn't become an empire until the much later successes of Alexander. Who writes this shit!?!
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
Would have rather seen a sequel about the Spartans who are trapped behind enemy lines.
by kindofabigdeal
The one that the Warriors is apparently based on. That would have been a sequel worthy of the testosterone filled, homoerotic, cgi blood slow motion blood fest of the original. I wonder if that was ever adapted to comic form by the people who did 300?
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We think alike. Check my post above.
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not confusing at all
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Sounds better here than with Star Trek. Actually, it could be the perfect title... make it a true sequel a la Bill & Ted where Leonidas and the boys end up in Hell and have to fight their way back out. Tell me you wouldn't want to see Leonidas versus Death as they play Battleship, Twister and Clue. And hey, this post allows me to do something I've always wanted to, but never had a rational reason for typing these words: SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Those weren't just spartans, those were mercenary greeks of all cities. We know of that tale because it was registed by one of the survivors, the athenian Xenophon, and the story is a classic of greek literature, called "Anabasis", but many people known that story as the tale of The Ten Thousand.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST
The Ten Thousand (Anabasis) sure would make for a sweet badass historical action movie.
by albert comin
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I'm done.
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Visually it was cool, but it had no emotion whatsoever.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
"The Battle for Shrimp"?! as in Sea Monkey for you comics nerds
by cozy
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
Taken,Drive,Shooter,Stolen,Knowledge etc etc. All these stupid dumb down names for movies doesn't speak well how Hollywood thinks of us.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
The phantom menace title as well as the star wars saga was Lucas ode to the old flash gordan and buck rodgers serials.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
Still though I'm looking forward to 300 THE BATTLE OF ARTEMISA. 300 was one of the best next to sin city for taking page by page from the comic and making it into a live action movie.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
License Revoked became License To Kill because research showed a majority of Americans wouldn't know what revoked means
by Joe
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There's a lot of people out there, in the U.S. that probably can't point out in a map where they live, much less know what or where Artemisia is. My favorite example is when I watched The Matrix the first time in the theater. When the credits rolled one of the dudes sitting behind me said to his buddy, "wtf man so what was The Matrix? they didn't show it."
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since it's a prequel... problem solved, no confusion for us dumb moviegoers
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so doesn't the title change make things more confusing? oh never mind I don't give a shit...I cannot see how they are gonna get to me see this movie anyway
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That title sucks.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
The excuse that many are too dumb to point at a map is growing smaller every year with the advent of technology whether owned or can be accessed at a library or bar. Even if someone couldn't articulate the title after seeing the poster at the theatre and
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
To piggyback colbat250 it's also sad that is the reasoning for sequels to not use roman numerals after III cause most don't know that what's after is IV.
by Cedric Ford
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Hollywood taking dramatic license with history again. Oh well, this is 300, not "Lawrence Of Arabia". The first was complete tat, and the sequel/prequel will be no different. Will it feature orcs from "Lord Of The Rings" again?...There's a title right there: "300: Rise Of The Orcs" To think "Man Of Steel'" has fallen into Zack Snyder's hands. Although i must give him some leeway because i thought "Watchmen" was very well executed...The less we talk about "Sucker Punch" the better.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Even if someone couldnt articulate the title after they see the poster at the theatre or the trailer one can deduce what the movie is about without any confusion.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
With the advent of accessible tech now if you don't know where bora bora is or are confused by a movie title it doesnt take much effort to find out now compared to thirty years ago.
by Cedric Ford
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You do know that Artemisia is the name of a historical figure, not a place right? The battle was in fact the Battle of Salamis but, given the scantily dressed cast of 300, it is no surprise that a fight involving salamis could have been misleading; a a persian porn version perhaps. Artemisia was a Persian leader in the conflict.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
Forgot about Rocky IV and V. But Rocky Balboa was supposed to be Rocky VI but it was changed due to hollywood's lack of confidence for the public's education past the fourth grade.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Forgot about Rocky IV and V. But Rocky Balboa was suppose to be Rocky VI but was changed due to Hollywood's confidence that most never went past the fourth grade.
by Cedric Ford
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When the heavy metal music played in towards the last battle... I laughed at the dated movie.... to be forgotten.... Right up there with A Knights Tale... lets do a queen song in the beginning... Super Sucky celluloid..... the sheep will not mind
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Sept. 13, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
To be fair, "ARTEMISIA" would be hard to pronounce at the ticket booth.
by Chris
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Kinda long. Ah, never mind.
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Hollywood DOESN'T think well of us, because "we", by and large, still keep showing up and handing our wampum over to them because: 1 ) There are scores of whiny kids out there being catered to by parents who want them to STFU, and so they drag them to these movies. 2) There are MILLIONS of people out there who can't make the leap beyond the lizard brain, and Hollywood is more than happy to defecate all over them, knowing that all they need are 'splosions and tiddies. 3) People willingly go to see shitty movies and justify it with excuses like "Well, this'll probably suck, but 20 minutes in you can see_______________'s nipple through her shirt, so I'm definitely gonna see it anyway." Whatever the reason, the cash registers ring, and Hollywood drops its pants, hunkers down, and squeezes uot another turd for the dumbed-down, eager to spend sheep to which it owes its very success. Gone for the most part are the Godfathers, Apocalypse Nows, and Blade Runners...unless, of course, there's a remake in the works...
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Sept. 13, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
Goldentribe would saying 300 alone be confused with the other movies playing at the same time? "No I said 300 artwhatever not man of steel"!
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
300:You deserve it for patronizing this miserable P.O.S. so enjoy your reward?!?!
by BlueHawaiiSurfer
That about sums it up yeah.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
301 Spartans: Return of the Rise of the Planet of the Dark Knights of an Empire Striking Back
by Derp
In 300-D
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Sept. 13, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST
I'm amazed that a lot of people hate 300?! name another movie that was this faithful to the comic. From dialogue to tone to frame by frame interpretations of every scene.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
You want confusing? Artimisia isn't a place. It's a person. Now Artimisium (which they allegedly changed the title to last October or November) made sense.
by ShadowVoyd
This is fine too. In a generic, no muss no fuss kind of way. That I no longer feel my blood pressure rising by a point or two every time I see that inane "Battle of Artimisia" title can only be a good thing.
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See what I did there. *boom* Thank you very much. <BR> “You're not a moron. You're only a case of arrested development.” ― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises
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Sept. 13, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
Wake me up when we start getting realistic historical epics back, not this comic book bullshit
by kidicarus
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Everything's rising in Hollywood except IQs!
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Hundreds of big, muscular, well-oiled men going to battle wearing nothing but their sandals, underwear and capes. What the hell? Despite some pretty cool action scenes, I found it mostly unwatchable. And, c'mon Hollywood,..."rises" in another movie title? This is getting absurd.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
Psst,hey if whenever thr subject of 300 comes up in conversation and the only thing you got are gay jokes,it doesn't make anyone think your super straight...
by The_All_Dead
It makes people think you want to suck dick.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
Realistic movies? Lincoln and the upcoming Noah movies to name a few. Plenty of real and non fictional historical movies for everyone.
by Cedric Ford
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Sept. 13, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
Watchman could have been up there with literal interpretation from comic to screen but the changed the ending not using a alien invasion.
by Cedric Ford
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I've been saying that for ages about a possible sequel to 300. The best thing about it is that the title could simply be: 10,000 (in that same red bloody font that the title of 300 had on the posters).
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At least in terms of doing another graphic novel styled ancient war film in the same blue/green screen style of effects movie that 300 was. Just like Sin City, it feels dated to me at this point. Not only that, but we've had Spartacus on Starz for a few years now, which has used the 300 style of production to create the ancient world on a limited budget. I'd rather see them make a different ancient war epic shot in locations and with full sets in a more realistic manner. Remember before 300, Michael Mann was going to do a different Battle of Thermopylae, Gates of Fire? I'd rather see someone take a book or something like that and do a different ancient war movie.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
This film concerns the naval battle portion of Thermopylae
by iluvsyfy
Whilst the 300 buff, crazy moffo Spartans were fighting on land, a Greek fleet was engaging the Persians navy to prevent them from ferrying troops behind the Spartan lines. Also, those that thought the film structure was odd; the intent of the film was taken as a viewpoint from the Spartan warrior side (war propaganda). What you see onscreen is a visual representation of the tale of the 300 being spoken around a campfire, by Dilio's. Therefore, the traitor was a monster (only a monster would betray fellow Greeks). The Immortals were demons from Hades (only inhumans could kill so many Spartans). Xerxes was a demi-god (leading his demonic horde). The campfire story embellishes the mythic traits of Hercules, Perseus and the like. In a nutshell, 300 is a take from the perspective of Homer.
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Where they travel to a faraway land to fight the Persians along side a bunch of teddy bears. Inb4 Leonidas, the eye-patch guy & the hunchback dude appear as ghosts during the post battle party...
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Sept. 13, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
Because, y'know, God forbid people should actually think or look something up.
by Mr Nicholas
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Sept. 13, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
Harvey Weinstein's considering his own ancient Greek epic
by Hardboiled Wonderland
It focuses on the original ancient Greek Olympics, with naked men throwing balls and being athletic. The main character, played by Zhang Ziyi, is a young athletic woman who fights her way to be the first woman in the Olympics, but still retains her feminine sensuality and emotional sensitivity. Co-stars Tom Cruise as Xenon.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
How about "300... Vaginas", focusing on a group of Amazons separated from their army behind enemy lines in West Virginia
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
Actually, I really like the "300 Vaginas" idea, you could do a Wonder Woman cross-over
by Hardboiled Wonderland
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In this one a religious leader steals the time relic and the spartan's are transported to a Muslim majority future.
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Sept. 13, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST
In all seriousness though they should do a serious movie about Hannibal of Carthage.
by Balkin Flabgurter
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST
be careful what you wish for -- Vin Diesel has been wanting to film Hannibal The Conqueror for a decade
by Hardboiled Wonderland
True story: http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/c235d7b0-9aa7-11e1-bcc4-123138165f92#
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or John Carter
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
@ hardboiled wonderland, call me an a$$hole but i would be alright with that, Oliver Stone Destroyed Alexander like we all care about the pedophile part so what could be worse?
by Balkin Flabgurter
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Sept. 13, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
They are about 4 years too late for anyone to give a shit about this
by Wolfman Nards
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It's more overused than "epic". And loved "epic".
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the real Greek Amazons would cut off their left breast
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Sept. 14, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST
hardboiled wonderland -- *So this isn't a sequel to Meet The Spartans?*
by lv_426
No. Don't worry though, it will be obvious when the sequel to that one is announced. Probably with a title like MEET THE SPARTANS: Butt Battle of Fartemisia.
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Fall of the Risen. Rise of the Fallen. Revenge of the Risen. The Revenge Rises. Rise of The Planet of the Fallen. Revenge: Planet of the Rise of the Guardians of the Secret Rising. The Underworld Rises: Fall of the Secret Guardians of the Planet of the Risen. The Dark Planet Rises: Fall of the Rising Guardians of the Revenge 3D. Meet the Dark Revenge: 3D Planet of the Texas Fallen / Rising of the Secret Meet the Rise of the Fallen Knight 2: Planet of the Secret Guardians Exclusively in IMAX 3D
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I think the reason why there is yet to be made a movie about Hannibal is because i think studio executives fear the public isn't aware of who he is and would probably think it's another Hannibal Lecter movie. Also, the studios would probably want to avoid the race controvercy it would raise, because there would be people raising shit because Hannibal was not portaited by a blakc actor, when in fact he was a semite (carthage was founded as a phoenecian colony and the carthageneans were their descent). There would be also the logistics, of course. Any cursory reading of the battles involved would make clear he hoard it would be to pull off, even with modern day special effects. And of course they couldn't show all the battles due to budgetary and time constrains. Many would be pissed that their favorite battle would not be shown. And there is also another thing that would give headaches to the filmmakers involved: Hannibal's life was a series of antic-climaxes following his greater achievements. All his greatest moments were episodic, he was never able to capitalise on his spectacular victories, and the romans eventually won, and after the battle of Zama he lived the rest of his life, the remaining 25 years or so, as an exiled abroad in Asia Minor working as a mercenary and consultant. He didn't died ina blaze of glory, he comit suicide because he was sold out to the romans and he feared what they would do to him if they got their hands on him. There is a bittersweet touch to his death, in that when his greatest adversary and his equal, the roman general Scipio Africanus, learned of his death, he cried as if he had lost a dear friend. In fact, Hannibal and Scipio could be considered friends of sort, as in their later years they corresponded with each other, and they held each other in great admiration (Hannibal wouldn't want to hear a bad word said about Scipio in his presence, and Scipio never demonized Hannibal, like other romans did). Both were great men and they knew of each other's greatness. This is why often times i think the best way to make an Hannibal movie is to be the tale of two men, Hannibal and Scipio.
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Almost everyone will just say '300'. ALTHOUGH, I did hear some interesting pronunciations of 'Prometheus' while waiting to buy tickets, so it can happen.
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Should be the title.
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well said, it crossed my mind more than once that the logistics involved with that script would be absolutely insane. Not to mention how somebody would have to adapt the tone of the movie to like you said not make it just about hannibal so when you experience his inevitable failure your not mad at the movie. I did not know about the correspondence between Hannibal and Scipio though and its a very interesting note, thanks for that!
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I'm very happy to find in here a fellow enthusiast of the history of Hannibal Barca. i find it to be a truly riveting tale- It's as if the universe decided to create two total badasses, unleashed them at the same time in the world, see them go to their ass-kicking business, and finally clash them into an ultimate confrontation of total awesomeness. It's one of those times when real history so far out-awesomes fiction that it uses it to swep the floor. I guess it would be possible to do a movie about Hannibal and Scipio Africanus in the fashion of "300", but that would make it into a total travestry. The same way "300" did a travestry of Thermopylae. The temptation would be to follow the same example as "3002 and since Hannibal would be the hero, then he wouldhad to have a villain as opponent and thus turn Scipio Africanus into a bloodthirsty psychopathic monster. The truth was that both Hannibal and Scipio were highly honourable men in many ways each other's equal not just in talent but even as people. Both were highly devoted patriots, both highly intelligent, both excelent generals, and both were fathers to their warriors. And both had a unique skill few had at the time: to convince foriengers to fight for them as if he was one of their own. Scipio's story in Spain reads like a remake of "Lawrence Of Arabia", he mannaged to convince the spaniards, one of the most fiercely independent minded and badass people of the time, to fight with him as auxilia troops and they showed him great loyalty on account of his both badass qualities as embassador and warrior. Scipio mannaged to impressed and gained the loyalty of the most badass warriors of that part of the ancient world, think about that. And the same thing with Hannibal, since the core and a good chunk of his army was made by badass spaniard allies. Both sides seeked the spaniards as allies. So, Hannibal vs Scipio is the story of two great and good men, forced by circunstances to fight each other. It's like that Star Tek episode "Ballance Of Terror" where Kirk fights a highly honourable Romulan commander who in another life might had been his friend. The absolute wrong way to make such a movie, in my mind, would be to turn it into a stupid action movie story of good Hannibal vs evil roman Scipio.
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During the Battle of Salamis, a female commander from Halicarnassus named Artemisia commanded five ships against the Greeks as an ally of Xerxes.
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Sept. 14, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
@Mr phast freddy: I bet the persian strategy was to make the greeks distracted by the sex so they would lose the battle.
by albert comin
Unfortunatly for the persians, most greeks back then believed that man-love ruled over all other.
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Sept. 14, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
but out of joke, Halicarnassus was placed in Asia Minor, neighbouring the Persian Empire, so there's that
by albert comin
And unlike the movie "300" want us to believe, many greeks willingly allied with the persians, like the ionian greeks, because they truly believed life under the persian empire was a better deal. And they were right in that the persian empire was the most humane empire up to that point in history, and in fact, aftewards until present day. The empire itself was more like a collection of seperate states with a central goverment in common (which is why the emperor was in fact called King Of Kings), which gave each province much leeway and political independence. You know, like the USA.
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I also discovered this: Scipio Africanus and Hannibal died in the same year, and it seems both had been shuned by their respective people. It's said that Scipio wanted a very discrete crypt and with the words "Ungrateful fatherland, you will not even have my bones". And what's even more mind boggling is that it seems both died by suicide. Hannibal because he wanted to avoid being captured the the romans when he was betrayed and sold out by his employer, and Scipio died under mysterious circunstances but many believed he comited suicide as a fuck you to Rome after had been harrased countless times with judiciary actions on accusations of corruption formented by his consevative political adversaries. How about that?
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A buncha neo-con pigs are involved in this picture. What do you think ?
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Keeps it simple.
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