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Another POSITIVE review for BATTLEFIELD EARTH!
Hey folks, Harry here... Just when some had hoped that BATTLEFIELD EARTH would take down PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE, along comes a series of reviews that seem to say... it's pretty stupid, but it's a lot of fun... Well, that sounds like the film is pretty much along the same lines as a DEEP BLUE SEA, that... while being pretty dumb... well, it was just a fun evening at the movies... just not a thought provoking one. From what I'm seeing in my E-mail box, it's looking like a pretty even split between the loathers and the lovers. The folks that loathe it seem to just not have fun with it, and the folks that are digging it, seem to be having that fun. Well... We'll certainly see... it's coming soon....
Hey Harry, my name is Talkative Jay.
Well, I live in Los Angeles, and there a was a screening for Battlefield
Earth that I just happened to see with a lady friend of mine.
The story is this: I personally think scientology is a joke. I'm not very
interested in it, I don't check the sites or anything like that. I just
think it's material people like John Stewart and Conan Obrien can pick on
every once in a while. When I heard John Travolta (the scientology pope) was
doing this movie based on a book l ron hubbard had written, I laughed,
knowing the movie would suck. Anyway a friend called me up and said that he
had two tickets to go see the Battlefield Earth movie, but he was going away
in a couple days, so he couldn't go. So he offered them to me. I took them
and me and my girlfriend went. My plan was to go, watch a free movie, come
home, watch tv with my girl, drive her home, come home, write to you about
how bad the movie was.
So anyway, the movie started and we both watched, and listened...
About 10 minutes into the movie, I though to myself "this is gonna suck, I
might as well leave". But I stayed.
The movie ended, and I found myself staring at the screen not aware of
anything around me. I watched the credits afterwards (it's always polite to
stay for the credits I was told by my girlfriend). Started looking for
traces of scientology ("to learn more about scientology..."), but didn't
find anything of it.
The movie? A little cheezy, and I found about 2 holes. And that's it.
The rest? I loved it. Although it didn't raise much respect for scientology
for me, I truly truly loved it.
That's really all I can say. I didn't really notice the psychlo costumes
really, to me they just seemed like Star Wars costumes after a while. The
story was sort of like "eh...", but the action and the effects were amazing.
My girlfriend liked it as well.
The bottom line is that if you are expecting a 2001 or an eyes wide shut,
skip it. But if you just want to have fun at the movies, check it out.
Talkative Jay
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May 02, 2000 12:48:05 AM CDT
The only thing that would save this movie is Kelly Preston showi
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It is much more than you can ever hope for. See Battlefield Earth and my wonderful friend John Travolta will amaze you with his ability to run around in platform shoes we borrowed from Gene Simmons.
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I mean it, man, this better be good, or my entire life will be adversly effected. All my hopes and fears and dreams and desires are firmly planted in the artistic success of this motion picture experience. Please, whatever gods may be taking up residence in this universe, make battlefield earth the most incredible awe inspiring epic of our age; may it strike my conscious with its livid fist and catapult my time on earth as a human being into a wide eyed, wonderful experience. Anything, anything short of that, and battlefield earth will have been a demonic RUSE, a paltry stone lost on the bottom of the smattering of mediocrity that inhabitats our entertainment. It will devastate my hopes and dreams and i will be rendered useless. Please, battlefield earth, be the most incredible mind blowing experience of my natural life, or i will be horribly disappointed and let down and i will hang my head for months to come...I demand john travolta to transecend his brilliantly conceived persona as the greatest flaming disco dancer in Zorgons known occupations, and deliver an alien cheese like no other that festers under the scouring eyes of those who would oppose the smell of his bad feet, and make ships the size of moons pound on the planet and burst your nose into obscurity, just before Zargryn, Fifth Baron of the Oompone Occupations in the Fifth Quadrant of Frool Space beyond the Twin Black Holes of Furg-muffler, says that we are useless and disco always sucked: thereby destroying us, and delivering us from the great ass of our age, you the people.
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Get out the Andy Gump's and let the dumping begin.
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trust me, Gladiator will Kick his his nappy ass dreads out of there! I really really am so not looking foward to this piece of bad cheese!
Now Charlie's Angels, That is I HOPE going to be GOOD CHEESE!
I was so depressed, I threw a wicked "SHOWGIRLS" Party tonight with a bunch of friends who have never seen it! Lets just said, we had a rocking good time! Gina Gershon is so fierce!
John Travolta, why don't you just play yourself in a bio-pic and have Kevin Spacey play your lover?
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What kind of fucking review is this? How the hell did you get this email, and decide to post it? Christ, here's my review, I saw it too, believe me:
"So yeah, my friend gave me these free tickets, and yeah the movie was stupid, but man, I enjoyed it with my girl beside me, and we munched on popcorn! FUN!"
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So this guy thought the movie was gonna be horrible--even went into it hoping that it would suck--and ended up having a great time?
Well, my conclusion is that the film must in fact capture the book's tremendous action and adventure, and it's fast pace and humor. And THAT means that I am definitely gonna be VERY happy.
You see, I LOVED the book, and have been looking forward to the film's release ever since it was rumored years ago. And now I KNOW it's gonna rock if it can convert the disbelievers out there--no religious pun intended.
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Be careful with the bad reviews. Those scientologists will sue the pants off of you.
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May 02, 2000 1:17:15 AM CDT
My plan was to go, watch a free movie, come home, watch tv with
by misterwinkie
WHAT???........No NOOKIE ???...DUMP HER ! ! !
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You have to be kidding me? Harry, for christ's sake man... letting obvious plants like this post is hurting your already dying credibility. This isn't a review, it's a joke. "I didn't really notice the psychlo costumes really, to me they just seemed like Star Wars costumes after a while." I'm sorry, but even the worse rubber faced halloween masks in the cantina were no were near as bad as Vinny Barbarino with a klingon haircut while wearing KISS boots. This quote practically proves this guy is bending over for the studio and the Co$. DO NOT EVER SEE THIS MOVIE. Go with the plan from earlier talk balks, if you want a good time ripping apart this shit fest of a movie, buy a ticket for gladiator and sneak in to watch this "film" if you can even call it such. If this PLANT is the best thing the studio can do to whip up enthusiasm for such an obvious bomb ("GO PSYCHLO!"), then rest assurred... Battlefield Earth will be the Batman & Robin + the Plan 9 of the new Millenium.
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This a review? Give me break! Where are the details? Story Line? Nothing! Instead he talks about how he got the tickets! Pfff. Anyway, Harry in which theater in Los Angeles was this screening? I'm just curious!
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Oh my god, I forgot to mention. With the sheer sucking of this movie causing a tear in the fabric of space and time... Joel Schumacher will no longer be considered a spawn from satan's crotch. The only thing that will save Battlefield Earth is a cameo involving the entire cast of "Welcom back Kotter." I can just see it now. "HEY MISTA KOTTA! Check out mah cod piece... mah cock isa so big. Almost as big as mah boots."
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Listen I don't understand why you people insist on defending scientology bashers. It's a fucking worthless destructive cult that wants to take over the world. Don't white wash that or ho hum it either. You sound like the people that didn't think the Nazi's were a problem until it was to late. L Ron Hubard was a terrible writer and his scifi books are shit. You say its no big deal that its figure head makes movies out of his work then your a fucking moron that should read how revoulutions both good and bad start with propaganda. Anyone or anything that has to do with scientology should be shunned and ostercized. For our own good and future safety
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I meant attacking scientology bashers not defending
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Sounds like a bogus review to me based solely on the fact who else but a scientologist would remember Conan O'brien poking fun at Scientology. Conan had a supspiciously short lived but hilarious little animated buddy called the "Scientology Chicken" which was a crudely animated chicken with squiggle eyes who was always trying to get him to read the works of L Ron Hubbard, and turned every conversation to scientology.
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She told you it was rude to leave during the credits? Well, other than the fact that you're probably tied to a short leash, you're dating a control freak. And she's got you under mind control bub. I'm just pullin yer leg...hehe, funny, right? Ok, that was wrong. Well, my feelings on this movie haven't changed. If it's another sci-fi film that isn't either life-affirming, or changes the way we look at sci-fi, I'll pass on it. This movie will fit nicely on the video rental shelf next to Beastmaster 2 and Circuitry Man.
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Why is it that we have these chumps and their "lets not expect too much" reviews? SCREW YOU, ASSHOLES!! I DO expect a lot when I go to the movies, and if these fuckheads can't make a decent flick when someone throws approx $60 mill at them, don't tell me to go along and sort of enjoy it. And of course the $cieno's won't have anything in the credits. They don't need to, you naive turdburgers - one way or another, they'll get their money. In fact, all you bastards telling me that there is no CO$ connection: for fuck's sake!! The world's best known $cieno, his $scieno wife, are both starring in a book written by the man who founded the whole bullshit, money-laundering CO$ if the first place!! 2 + 2 + Revolta + CO$ = LONG BROWN COIL SPOOLING OUTTA MY ASS.
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Well...too add to the faults which everyone else has already pointed out....His girlfriend made wait around to watch the credits? Now i have a seen a few screenings in my day...more than a few actually. AND EVERY SINGLE ONE HAD NO CREDITS ATTACHED. you could wait all day and all you'd get is a black screen and an usher moving you along. PLANT PLANT PLANT!
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"come see our movie!it's average.
I bet harry still gives it a rave.
I'm rapidly learning that he and I
have some radically different opinions about movies.Just check out his reviews of wild wild west,the haunting, and his greatest pearl of wisdom"actually, i quite liked Jar Jar" i think he said that anyway.not trying to criticise him of course, but i think it's best not to take his opinions as gospel. -
May 02, 2000 3:31:04 AM CDT
This movie sucks so much ass it'll leave Harry with the hips of
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I swear, people are getting paranoid. This movie doesn't have anything to do with Scientology. Some of you are begining to sound like Nazis.
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I watched the preview last night in a packed theater in Atlanta -- and was very impressed in how well the film translated the book Battlefield Earth to the big screen. A good number of the Atlanta science fiction community were present; SF fans are some of the best skeptics as to what constitutes a good SF flick. And, Battlefield Earth clearly qualifies.
No one expected to go in seeing another 2001, but, then again, that's not the way the book read. The film does capture the humor and satire which was written into the original story, and by adding a few characters to the adaptation, it was expressed in dialog rather than voice over or narration.
The all-star cast is lost into the story after the first few minutes. Travolta and Whitiker neither look or act like their namesakes and do not take away from their roles in the film. Pepper does a respectable job in the title role as the film's hero, and was far better cast than an actor that might have been better fit to the artistic rendition of Johnny from the book.
As to the film, think "Independence Day" and "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" meets "The Matrix." There is no required knowledge of the book to understand the film, which is a roller-coaster ride of digital effects from start to finish. The audience laughed at the film's humorous scenes and clapped when the rebellion triumphed.
Even without reading Battlefield Earth you knew what was going to happen, more or less, well before the film ended. But then again, anything else would have been a disappointment. And the film doesn't end begging for a sequel; it ends leaving the audience satiated from a really good SF epic.
There are several plot holes in the movie, but not distracting enough to take away from the enjoyment of the film (in Independence day, for example, I couldn't help from laughing at scenes that weren't intended to be funny). The orchestral soundtrack and surround-sound processing really added to the overall effect, as well.
In a lot of ways, Battlefield Earth delivered what I had hoped Phantom Menace would have. I'll probably see it again opening night.
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All I keep hearing is about how Scientology is weird, evil, stupid, etc. I guess no one payed attention to Moriarty's latest article with the very simple bit of wisdom: "IT'S THE ART, NOT THE ARTIST". Everyone see that? The Dreamworks heads are all Jews, does that mean that every Dreamworks film is approved by the Elders of Zion? Is every movie made by a Protestant secretly approved by Lutheran ministers? Every religion looks strange to an outsider; no matter what (if any) religion you have, someone out there thinks it's weird, stupid, etc. C'mon, Tim Burton's a PAGAN, and I don't hear anyone complaining. I don't care if the movie was made by BabyEaters, it's got to be judged on it's own merits. But there are some cynical bastards out there, folks who don't trust a single review unless it's negative, and every positive one just HAS to be an evil Scientologist plant, right? Grow up. And stop judging people based on there religion. *********************************
PS: To the loser posting under the name "Jim Ryalto", I don't beleive for a minute you're the original loser, who who buggered off a long time ago when he realized that no one wanted his barely literate trolling. -
Joining the Cult of Suck is easy, and free! All you have to do is: (1) Claim that every famous filmmaker of today (Spielberg, Scorcese, Kubrick, Singer, Ridley Scott, etc.) has "lost it" and now "sucks". [1a] Claim that David Fincher should make every movie, until he too "sucks". (2) Place the hopes and aspirations of your entire life, your very soul, on each and every movie you see. When they dissapoint you, even slightly, go off on angry tirades of how they "suck". [2a] Some movies can "suck" even before a single bit of footage is released. (3) Call anyone who disagrees with you a sheep, a moron, or a philistene who doesn't appreciate art. (4) Flame against Harry, who maintains the entire site free of charge to you, but STILL OWES YOU. (5) Kneel towards Hollywood five times a day and suck your own penis. ****************************
There's only one drawback to the Cult of Suck. All it's members live in a sad, joyless world and I pity them. Peace. -
For those of you who can't suck ther own penis, I'm sure Reverend Dave will gladly oblige. Halleluja!
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You know, rarely do I participate in Talkback concerning a subject I have alread talked about. Whenever new comes about whether or not X-Men is going to suck, I just read the news and move on. One gets sick and tired of it after awhile, and runs out of things to say. I believe I got my point across the first time. But apparently I didn't when it came to this movie and scientology. I know nothing about scientology, and I think it is just as crock and bullshit as ANY religion out there. And I mean ANY. If people can believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky (and I'm one of them, so don't call ME an atheist), they can believe anything. So anyway, I've read the book. And I searched and searched for any sort of Scientology propaganda. Subliminal messages and such. I found nothing. "Battlefield Earth" is just a STORY, and nothing more. It is in noway affiliated with Scientology as far as I can tell. And I highly doubt the movie will be as well. Cut Travolta a damn break for Christ's sake. See the movie, and quit worrying about whether or not you'll walk out a brainwashed scientologist. Get real you losers...
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You raise a few important points, let me see if I can deal with them all: (1) No, I'm not a Scientologist. I'm Jewish, Bar Mitzvah, circumcision and everything. I've never been approached by Scientologists, although I have been visited by Mormons. ***********************(2) The Supreme Court of the United States of America has recognized the Church of Scientology as a religion, with all the benefits that entails. Your opinion, or anyone else's opinion including mine, are irrelevant. That is the law of the land. **********************(3) I would never, ever compare the jokes that Scientologists might suffer to the deliberate imprisonment, enslavement, and murder or Jews and other minorities by the Nazis. However, I DO believe that all intolerance stems from the same root, that is, a lack of understanding and a closed mind. ************************ (4) My point in bringing up other religions was to show that just because a filmmaker is Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Ba'hai or WHATEVER, the film they make exists independant of their religion or beliefs. A film should be judged on it's own merits; if you don't like B:E because of it's story, the FX, or acting, that's one thing. If you attack it because it's producer and star is a Scientologist, that's discrimination.
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Have we lost that much respect for the diversity of opinion that anyone who disagrees with our pre-set consensus is a studio plant? Bull. Every movie has a few supporters here and there, it's not like the general word is absolute. For the record, no, I'm still not looking forward to the movie. But that's no reason to bash a guy for giving his opinion.
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Hi all... My immediate response to this whole debate was to agree whole-heartedly with Scratch's assessment of the situation. After reading Hero for Hire's response, I have to say that he makes some excellent points as well. For my part, though, I have already decided that I will NOT pay to see this movie, because I know where some of the money will go. Scientology may be protected as a religion under the US Constitution, but that doesn't change the fact that lives have been destroyed because of one man's pettiness, greed, and megalomania.
Now some of you may end up stating that this does not differentiate it from any other religion, but I think it DOES differ in one important way. Beliefs like Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Wicca, and just about any other religious belief that has stood the test of time were founded on truly good intentions and a desire that humans have to experience the sublime and spiritual; something greater than ourselves. Scientology, however, was based on a bet between John W. Campbell and Hubbard on whether or not a new pseudoreligion could be formed that would make big $$$. Hubbard took Campbell up on the bet, and now you can find lab-coated Scientologists at bus stops all over North America, eager to capitalize on each generations' insecurities and desire to achieve great things without a lot of effort. Sad.
So, I am curious to see Battlefield Earth, in a neck-craning, "look at that car crash" kind of way, but IF I do, I'll pay my cash to see Gladiator or Dinosaur or frickin' "Barney: The Sequel" before I'll give one cent to the Church of Scientology.
Peace,
Max Castle
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So the Supreme Court of the United States of America recognized the Church of Scientology as a religion?
Please tell me when this happened (incl. court number)!
Well, and just a simple question for you as a Jew: What do you think about the methods how Scientology chase and harass critics and journalists? Or what did Scientology with Paulette Cooper? www.xenu.net
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The one thing that irks me is how viciously (or at least, forcefully) the Church of Scientology has pursued those it perceived as enemies, through lawsuits, and some very crafty PR work. Then again, maybe they have to fight harder because they're more recently established. No matter what you beleive, the issue is more complicated than it seems. Peace.
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At last, the first honest Anti-Scientologist. Leescratchperry finally has admitted what I've been saying all along. That a good number of the people on this site have no interest in the Battlefield Earth movie at all. The only interest for the self described "Anti-Scieno crowd" is to "ridicule" anything related to Scientology and to Hubbard.
While they blame the Scientologists of being the paranoid ones, you got to wonder about them. (1) They think the reviewer is a studio/ Scientology plant because he actually likes the film, like that's an automatic sign of weirdness,even though he thoroughly disses Scientology throughout his post. (2) They think that anyone who points out the obvious fact that the artist's personal beliefs are not related to the quality of the film must be a Scientologist too, thus requiring every person to proclaim their personal religious beliers, (in Hero for Hire's case: Jewish) in order to defend their viewpoint.
Imagine if every job interview started like this:
"Gee, well that's an interesting idea you have about our marketing plan. But tell me, what are your personal religious beliefs? Oh, you're a Jehova's Witness, well your marketing ideas obviously suck. Sorry, your'e not hired."
So let's all thank leescratchperry for being honest, and telling us what the Anti-Scieno "crew" are all about.
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That's sticking it to them!
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I read the book, and I didn't read word one about scientology in that entire 7-8 hundred page novel. The worst two possibilities are that we will find our self sitting through a dressed up action movie or that we will find ourselves listening to a pitch for a religion we won't have to join anyways.
That bullshit is mostly the product of a bunch of intolerant fundamentalist who think Hollywood is out to spread Satan's word to impressionable young minds (Oh, I know: We'll snare them with a special effects action movie)
Oh, by the way: In this country the final say belongs to the first amendment. Nobody can force a person to be a scientologist. The same way nobody can force you to be a Christian Fundamentalist. -
I look forward to little else on this site like a new BE "review". If only the film were coming out a year from now so we'd be treated to innumerable more reviews instead of the film dropping off AICN's radar the second it comes out, like all films. Harry! Make _sure_ you put up a post-release talkback for everyone (assuming people go to see it) to send in their own fact-based responses. It tears me up inside that these glorious talkbacks will disappear the second it hits the screen (although if that rumor of a sequel turns out to be legit...).
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A quick search of Lexis revealed that while Scientologists appear highly litigous, there is no supreme court case granting them "church" status. (They did make it to the supreme court in an attorney client issue.)
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May 02, 2000 1:30:10 PM CDT
There is no way this film is good. Maybe mildly entertaining in
by superninja
But not a good film. I've seen these effects in the trailer -- they look like CGI crap just like 99% of most CGI effects out there. Travolta laughs in nearly every scene of the trailer. The guy could be a studio/scientology plant, but I doubt it. And I agree with whomever said that we have a right to expect something out of films - ESPECIALLY now that we have to throw down $8.50 for an evening show. If I had paid $8.50 for Armageddon, I would consider it highway robbery.
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They have the same "Cult status" as Scientology. I've been trying to send them a script proposal but they are not answering my E-mails. :(
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Did you all read Dante19's "review" that appeared in this talkback. That is the second most obvioud studio plant I have ever seen.(The top one being that BE script review that appeared on CineCon) Those $cientologists are really trying to make this movie a hit(Which it will be, for the same reasons that the awful "book" sold so many copies) Also, I agree that these talkacks are the funniest thing I have ever read. Yes, Harry, Please post every BE thing you get. I also agree with you all that the review definately is a plant. He addressed every damn thing we've complained about and said it was good. (Nothing $cientology...Effects good...Only TWO plot holes! Like FUCK! And how dare you try to tell me that Travolta was a good in this. His laughing and speech in the trailer is the funniest damn thing I've ever heard.
COMING THIS SUMMER: FEATURING THE STARS OF WELCOME BACK KOTTER AND FOR LOVE OF THE GAME, AND THE "DIRECTOR" OF MASTERMINDS, BASED ON THE BOOK BY CREATOR OF A CRAZY, FANATICAL CULT, COMES...BATTLEFIELD:EARTH.
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Check this out...
A typical conversation between a casual (non-denominational) filmgoer and an average AICN flamer/shithrower:
Filmgoer:Hey, I just saw Battlefield Earth last night-I thought it was pretty good.
Flamer: Oh no dude you're wrong..it sucks.
Filmgoer: You don't understand:I FOUND IT TO BE GOOD-that is my own PERSONAL OPINION.
Flamer: No way dude-it sucks. Your a fucking loser.
Filmgoer: Have you even seen the movie yourself?
Flamer: Uh..no...but it sucks dude-believe me.
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As far as I'm concerned, the issue isn't whether or not Scientology's "beliefs" are on the screen. From what I understand, that's not the case in the novel, and I don't think we'll see much that is "Scientological" (I think I just made up a word...) in the movie either. The issue is that the film is based on a novel by L. Ron Hubbard and that therefore, I imagine, at least some of the film's profits will go to his estate. When that happens, I can't see how that money can NOT end up going directly to Scientology. I don't mind giving Travolta or Preston (or Cruise or Kidman!) some of my cash, even if they tithe a big chunk of it into Scientology, but I'll be damned if I'm going to make, for all intents and purposes, a donation to the organization!
So, being an honest guy, I won't just sneak into the theatre, without paying. Instead, I'll pick some other, more deserving movie (maybe an indie or foreign flick), pay for that, and then slip into the wrong theatre to see what I predict is going to be the "train wreck" of the summer!
Cheers, Max
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Let's remember that this is from the book that was made into a bestseller by having scientologists buy it and then return it only after the store had ordered more. You've got to admit, that's pretty resourceful. Who knows what they have planned this time?
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I said my piece about Battlefield Earth after the last review was posted, so I won't talk about that. I'm just writing to ask if it's possible for us to leave the reviewer's girlfriend alone? Three items:
1. Maybe she actually HAS a point about waiting to watch the credits and give the cast and crew, particularly those not appearing on screen, a chance at their fifteen minutes of fame. Especially if it was a movie that you enjoyed, and you would like to honor the effort of those involved.
2. Even if you don't think she has a point, doesn't she have a right to her own little quirks? Are YOU perfect and without oddities? I'm not.
3. So the reviewer didn't mentioned getting laid. Maybe he didn't - perhaps she (and he) have self-respect and haven't reached that point in their relationship yet. Maybe he DID, and he didn't feel the need to dishonor his Lady by "kissing and telling". Or, possibly he did, but he didn't feel like letting those of you who would (and did) mention it monkey-spank while thinking about him and his girlfriend and John Travolta getting it on in one of your sick little Welcome Back Cotter fantasies. ;-) -
i am a devout christian, and whilst i agree that scientology is a corrupt religion with a basis that defies belief (how can a religion exist without a deity?)i wish everyone would lay of the movie before they have seen it. yes the book had plot holes, and so will the movie, but id4 had huge plot holes any many people(including me) enjoyed it. let travolta promote it, but let him and the producers go bankrupt from lawsuits if they allow subliminal messages to be use and get caught. i notice in the book the way the evil terl is drawn in parallels to psychologists, using mind control to control people. that is the only reference to what scientology stands for that i noticed. as for the positive review: a reply claimed it was posted by a scientologist. well couldnt the reply be posted by an anti-scientologist. the battle goes on. grow up. see it. then judge it. if youre tooo paranoid shut the fuck up and just let everyone be!!!!
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At first I thought your diatribe was annoying - but now I find your posts hil-lari-ous. Keep it up, dude! Hell, the scientologist plants won't answer any direct questions and the "free speech" yolks refuse to take a look at just what COS has in store for the world...
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Here's a great page on the pseudo science of COS:
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http://www.skepdic.com/dianetic.html
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And here's a great page about the biz view of BE:
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http://www.reel.com/reel.asp?node=movienews/confidential/archive/20000419/page2
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Can't wait to hear your tales come the 12th. Just keep that brown jet stream away from me, eh.
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Damn straight. Enough of this "don't expect too much." Oh sorry, what was I thinking. I'm only paying eight dollars to be entertained. How unfair of me.
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Some points... Anti-CoS critics, if some of you really are, you're getting really silly about this. Your getting a tad worked up. As I mentioned a couple of battles ago, BE ain't necessarily Scientology, so don't nail the movie for that. Nail it if you must 'cause the main S. organization lied about the money from the movie merchandising it was quietly getting.
BTW, hello to all the Scientologists showing up! Knew ya'd make it. Can tell the diff between the public scis and the staff ones... the staff members bring up 1) religious bigotry 2) Jews 3) Holocaust 4) Ad hominem attacks 5) that weird lie about the Supreme Court. Yup, working from the scripts.
I've had a few years experience watching this dance, and you never disappoint.
Now as to BE, I say again: who knows? It might be so camp it's fun. All you blistering posters: is this really the place for this? Sigh. For all you readers who made it this far who don't know what the frag this is all about? Well, long story short, there are 50 years of reasons. When this many people are mad, something's up, innit? -
Stupid Fun? ... *sigh*
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To the guy who said, dont worry, this movie will be good, and then said its a mix of the matrix, independence day (hehe), and..hehe....the..haha..planet of the apes...oh never mind.
A great sound belches forth from my ass, and it is a sea of festering green, foul and fetid in its ghastly gas of delight. smell it everyone, smell the failure of cheese -
Is this a community of movie goers?
Is this a community of SCIFI fans?
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is this a bunch of bigots taking a ride on BE- an artistic form, to 'cheap preach' superficial views of religion.
BE is going to be a very entertaining movie and that's all! -
"Soon to be 2 major motion pictures". That was the blurb on the front of my copy of Battlefield Earth book. I only bought it because it was cheap, but now I can understand why, L Ron Hubbard wanted to convert as many idiots to his crazy cult as possible. Hell, the book was even published by his printing company. Probably because no one worth their salt would have printed that literay rubbish. I've only ever managed to get half way through the book before being bored to death.
As much as I like Pulp Fiction, I wish it was never made, because (a) we wouldn't to put up with Samuel L Jackson doing his "MotherFucker" bit in every movie and (b) because it gave that twat John Travolta a new lease of life to make pissy films, that would have gone to far better deserving actors.
The only reason he is in this movie is because L Ron Hubbard wrote it, John would never have done a SCI-FI flick unless Ron had done so. My only wish would have been for L Ron Hubbard to have written a Gay novel where a washed up has been actor gets fucked by big black men on a daily basis - then lets see John make that piece of cock-sucking shit. Oh yeah, btw I hated Battlefield Earth, and I hope this movie stinks - I don't want to even be remotely tempted into watching this Cult get any of my money!!!! -
To begin with, I am not a Scientologist, nor have I even read any of L.Ron Hubbards' books for his cult/religion/whatever.
However, I have read the book "Battlefield Earth", as well as the amazing "Mission Earth" decology. "Battlefield Earth" is a phenomenal 1300 page science fiction novel. Let us not forget that L.Ron Hubbard was one of the original Golden Age science fiction authors, counting among his friends and peer writers the likes of Robert Heinlein, Frank Herbert and Isaac Assimov. Slight him for his quirky pseudo-religion in his latter life, but no one who has read good science fiction, as I have, can discount the man's accomplishments in the realm of science fiction.
I have kept my eyes away from reviews of any kind as to the movie version of "Battlefield Earth", as I want to find out for myself if it is a decent translation of the book. I want it to be good...but it may not be. And if it is not, then who cares...because the awesome book will still be in my personal library.
I remember when I was 12 and Dune was released at the movies...a movie also taken from one of my favorite series of books. Was the movie as good as the book? No, but my father and I still loved seeing the characters come to life. I am sure that I will enjoy "Battlefield Earth" the movie, as I did with "Dune" the movie...simply as an extension of the fun I had in reading the original books. -
If Steven Spielberg makes a movie you don't look for a Jewish connection. If Francis Ford Coppola makes a movie you don't look for a Catholic connection. But Batlefield Earth is very, very different.
The world's most visible scientologist is making a film based on the science-fiction writings of the cult founder. What is more, upper level scientology courses reveal a space opera world that in many ways echos the movie.
The movie is there to make scientology more visible and make Hubbard more legitimate. If the film is another Plan 9 people will continue to laugh at and avoid the scientologists. If it's another 2001 scientology membership will increase.
Scientology is the religion that wants to be associated with movie stars. Judiism has no celebrity centre. The Mormons have never had a list of celebrities targetted for conversion.
To not discuss the scientology connection is wearing blinders. Travolta has not made the movie because the book is such a great story. It's a very weak story. He is making it because of what it could do for the cult that he has chosen to ally himself with.
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We all know you don't have a girlfriend, so there is no need to lie about it. When are you going to get it thru your thick skull that sisters and cousins don't count as "lady friend", "girlfriend", and "my girl".
Oh yeah, battlefield earth sucks rhino rod. I'd rather be stuck in traffic with no ac.
blah blah blah, worst episode ever!!!!
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I came to AICN to see if I could get the buzz on BE. Wow, this TalkBack section is amazing, funny and entertaining. Thanks to Flashy for providing this link: http://www.reel.com/reel.asp?node=movienews/confidential/archive/20000419/page2 While the article is interesting, for something really disturbing scroll down to the next article after the BE one, and you'll see Angelena Jolie making out with her brother. EWWW!
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I just want top begin by saying that I personally think scientology is quite possibly the nuttiest thing I've heard of in my entire life. Now I also want to say that I think battlefield Earth with bite, and bite hard.
But I don't base my belief about battlefield earth on scientology, I base it on the fact that it just plain looks like shit. COMPLETE SHIT. First off, I saw that picture of travolta that showed his full length costume in that movie. Travolta just needs to put on some KISS make-up and the costume would be complete. Secondly, L. Ron was a hack. He was a horrible writer. I've read soem of his crap(rather tried to read) because I heard he was on all these bestseller lists and I thought he was worth checking out. God was I ever wrong. The third reason I think this film will suck is because of the so called "positive" reviews that this film has been getting. Every god damned one mentions the fact that the movie has huge plot holes but we should care because the action is intense. For christ's sake;you better care, it's supposed to be a story,not a gladiator match. Over and over we're told to just sit back and accept those plot holes because little things like charactar development and suspension of disbelief don't matter in a "film". All I have to say is that our society's pretty sad when we don't really care about the circumstances of a story as long as the action's good. If a neo-nazi soemhow funded a movie based on mein kampf through front organizations and had it distributed through warner brothers people better fucking not ocme out of the theater saying it was a good movie because the "action was good". Fuck's Sake People. I'm tired of hack writing and hack film making. I'm personally going to pay for another ticket to gladiator on saturday and when gladiator's done I'm going ot sneak into BE and heckle away. Either that or I'll be to busy mesmorized by the action and it won't matter what I think about the story. -
haha u stupid pple im from 2008 black president of usa against white woman named hilary whose a whore lol u ancient pple suck balls
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2008 rocks u all die now
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