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Copernicus is so in love with ARGO that he almost forgives Ben Affleck for ARMAGEDDON!

I think I may have finally forgiven Ben Affleck for ARMAGEDDON. I'm not a huge fan of his as an actor, but he's shown himself to be quite an interesting director. ARGO is another step for him in both roles --- he turns in a subtle, nuanced performance as an actor, and his delivered an expertly crafted, tension-filled, and surprisingly funny drama based on a true story set during the Iranian hostage crisis in 1979-1980. I had a chance to catch it on at one of the earliest screenings of it at the Toronto Film Festival.

I won't get into spoilers about the ending, but if you are interested, you can read about the true story the film is based on here. Instead, I'll will set up events that take place during the first act of the film. On November 4, 1979, Iranian students stormed the American embassy, taking 52 Americans hostage. Most Americans are familiar with this ordeal, where the Americans were held in captivity for more than a year. But many aren't as familiar with another drama that played out largely in the shadows, and whose details were classified until the late 90s. A half-dozen Americans escaped as the embassy was being stormed, and wandered the hostile streets of Tehran, until they ended up at the Canadian Ambassador's house. He took them in, at great risk to him and his household, where they lived for weeks. If they were found out, everyone would surely have been executed. The CIA came up with a plan to extract the Americans by flying in spy and exfiltration expert Tony Mendez, and smuggling them out under the guise that they were a Canadian film crew making a science fiction film named ARGO. John Chambers, Oscar-winning makeup artist of STAR TREK and PLANET OF THE APES, here played by John Goodman, helped in the planning and logistics of the mission.

The film starts with a brief history lesson, explaining why the Iranians are so mad at the Americans -- we ousted their Shah in favor of one backed by America and Great Britain. It pulls no punches, and keeps the film from becoming a little too jingoistic. From there we go right into the simmering students outside the American embassy. The film seems to cut between a recreation done for the film, and actual archival footage, but that might just be the result of switching to 16mm to mimic the effect. In any case, the scenes filmed in the midst of the crowd, intercut with scenes from inside the embassy under siege, are effective in creating a sense of tension, chaos, and imminent doom.

After that, the film cuts between four basic groups: the Iranian antagonists and their efforts to uncover the identities of the Americans who escaped, the CIA as they hatch plans to try to free the hostages, Hollywood in all its eccentricity, mostly oblivious to the goings-on, and the escaped Americans themselves, trapped in the Canadian Ambassador's house.

On the CIA side we have Affleck playing Mendez and Bryan Cranston playing CIA boss Jack O'Donnell. Cranston brings a gravitas and authority necessary to the film, and Affleck gives a surprisingly restrained, but effective, performance in full-on 70s beard. The behind-the-scenes look at the deliberations in the CIA and State Department are fascinating, even if they have been punched up for dramatic and comedic effect.

Goodman's John Chambers and Alan Arkin in a fictional role as a producer, provide comic relief as Hollywood veterans who love their jobs but have a healthy cynicism about some of the rather idiotic inner workings of Hollywood. Their one-liners about the industry are spot-on and got huge laughs in the press screening I attended. This keeps the film from slipping into an inappropriate self-contradulatory tone, where Hollywood gets overly excited in its minor role in a spy caper. Arkin in particular is a real scene-stealer. And this being 1979, it turns out ARGO is a STAR WARS ripoff, complete with a blue Chewbacca!

Meanwhile, the Americans in peril are played by lesser-known actors. This is a great decision, since right from the beginning you never know who's going to get away, get shot, or become a hostage. Having the Americans be unknowns also helps ground the film, and make the proceedings more believable. All do a great job of acting both scared in their plight, and then acting like they are acting poorly in their first attempt to assume their Canadian identities.

Though the film is based on true events, screenwriter Chris Terrio has changed many of the details to make it more movie-friendly. In general, I prefer that my historical dramas stick closer to the truth, but here the filmmakers here have preserved the essence of the truth, while compacting the events in time, changing some of the details, and substituting external tensions for some of the internal drama. There is no denying that it is effective -- throughout the film, the life-and-death stakes tension continues to ratchet up, reaching almost unbearable heights. In fact, they border on taking it too far. Certain things happen that you absolutely know can't be true because it just seems straight our of a Hollywood film. But all in all, it is a forgivable offense. By the time things start to go overboard, you are fully invested. And if they hadn't punched up some of the details, the film might not have been as compelling. If you want the exact truth, you can read about it later.

Stay for the credits -- they show side-by-side comparisons stills from the film and from the actual events that took place. Often it is hard to tell which is which.

The script is great, and at the press conference, Affleck gave most of the credit to his screenwriter Chris Terrio. And of course he gave a ton of credit to Tony Mendez, a real hero who risked his life for a handful of total strangers. Still, Affleck deserves a lot of praise for turning ARGO into an effective film. Creating believable circumstances, establishing real drama, pathos, and comedy, doesn't just happen by itself. And he also successfully balances tension and levity, antagonists and protagonists, and building great characters that can carry the plot forward.

We are reaching the festival midpoint, and so far ARGO is one of my top picks of TIFF 2012. And Ben Affleck has now become a director whose films I seek out every festival. That's a long way from a cringe-worthy star of a Michael Bay film.


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  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST


    by Darth_BaIIs


  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    ARMAGEDDON requires no apology!

    by ciroslive

    It is summer popcorn filmage at its best!

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST


    by Darth_BaIIs

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Agreed. Transformers 2 needs to apologize, not Armageddon.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    It's Bruce Willis doing the stuff he's always done, and doing it well. It's man against asteroid. It's badass with great comedic moments.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Armageddon is a fantastic summer film!

    by zillabeast

    To hate on that compared to the lame ass crap we get today is just incomprehensible.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Ben Affleck is a fine director and his performance in 'Hollywoodland'

    by Raptor Jesus

    was Oscar worthy. The man has paid his dues and then some.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST

    But do you forgive him for Gigli?

    by FannyPad

    It's turkey time... Gobble gobble.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Don't wanna read too much

    by heyoucantlaughatthat

    But I'm always excited to see Affleck's name now. Good for him.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST

    Armageddon is an unholy piece of excremental film making

    by Anthony Torchia

    and the waste of one of the best titles imaginable Your mileage may vary

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Remember who Copernicus is when considering Armageddon.

    by CimmerianWarrior

    The guy is an astronomer and a genius, so of course he is going to bag on the movie. He knows what happened on screen is as impossible as Star Trek. The list of what cannot happen that was show happening in that movie are endless. You are dealing with a scientist here. Guy's IQ is off the charts.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Still don't get why Armageddon receives so much hate..

    by ganymede3010

    I loved the movie, loved the cast, so what If it was scientifically inaccurate. Ever heard of Star Wars? That film encompassed a lot more scientific inaccuracies than Armageddon did. Just saying.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2 a.m. CST

    Yes, but Star Wars

    by CimmerianWarrior

    was never presented as anything but pure fantasy. Armageddon is presented as possible and it isn't. I am not saying I feel that way. I am just trying to guess as to why why he dislikes it.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2:04 a.m. CST


    by crimsoncinder

    Star Wars is pure fantasy and we could get hit by a giant fuckin asteroid. Yes sending up a bunch of screwhead oil diggers is fantasy and so is Billy Bong Thorton leading NASA.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Looks like Ben's 3 for 3

    by goatboy500

    The Town was a pretty good little attempt at doing a Bostonian Heat, (obviously nowhere near as good, but still), and Gone Baby Gone is a fucking classic. Looking forward to this.

  • Just saying.

  • Films with a strong word of mouth. Armageddon was one of those films that you either loved or hated, based on the 553 million dollar gross, more people loved it than hated it. Just saying.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST

    In fact, Armageddon IS awful, but not because of Affleck!

    by TheBigFuckinLebowski

    It's a typical Bay hack job! Horrible screenplay to begin with, abominable directing, and appalling editing! The editing is so choppy that sometimes it looks more like a trailer than a feature film!

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST

    crimsoncinder , chill out man.

    by CimmerianWarrior

    This is all speculation as to why Copernicus dislikes the film. It is just a guess as to why. Don't attack me. There is no need for fighting over a guess.

  • Affleck does a earnest acting in the movie, he tries his best, he doesn't slouch. But the top responsibles for the movie, director Bay and producer Bruckheimer, really didn't knew what the hell they were doing and filled the movie with numbskull idiotic decisions that became legendary in their awfulness. People who always complained about the movie because of Affleck were doing it for shallow reasons and pointing finger on the wrong man. It's not for nothing that Bruce Willis voiwed never work with Michael Bay again. That Affleck worked with Bay after in Pearl Harbor just shows his fortitude of character and how naive he was back then.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Really looking forward to this.

    by Sean

    Haven't seen Gone Baby Gone but The Town was great. Actually directed quite well. Would have learned off a few good examples too. Despite a few bad choices, (predominately Jennifer Lopez) I've always thought Affleck was a smart and likeable guy and supported him throughout the way. Enjoy his time with Kevin Smith and appreciate what he and Damon wrote in Good Will Hunting. I even liked Jersey Girl dagnammit. Now, Daredevil and Pearl Harbour on the other hand...

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:54 a.m. CST

    @Mr ganymede3010

    by albert comin

    I'm hoping you ar enot using the box office as argument of Armageddon's supposed quality, because you seem to be a smarter man then that. And as for popularity, so what? The Tranformers movies also made a lot of money at the box office and look how awful they are. We ar emovie geeks, so our concenr shouldn't be so much how much money this movies make for other people, but how good they are, and if they treat us as morons. And "Armageddon" is a movie that treats audiences as complete morons. The only concession to reality that movie makes is that asteroids do exist and they do impact on Earth on ocasions. Other then that, the movie is so off it makes Star Wars look like a science documentary, it makes Star Wars look like "Cosmos". One of my favorite moments of utter mental retardness in "Armageddon" is in the end when we see celebrations around the world for the destruciton of the asteroid "Dottie" and everywhere it's sunset time. So, the movie states that the Earth is flat. You got to love that shit (love in the most ironic way possible)! I don't think i ever seen a movie as stupid as "Armageddon" in all my life (and i'm in my early 40s). Now if the stupidity were just on the filmmakers part i would be cool (it would just be a case of mocking them), but the movie also treats the audiences as morons, and i resent that a lot.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST

    And least we forget, JJ Abrams is one of the writers of "Armageddon"

    by albert comin

    True, he's one among the 6 credited (and there were more 6 writers uncredited), but it does help explain how his "Star Trek" movie turn out to be like it is.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Can't wait to see "Argo". Affleck turned out to be a fantastic director.

    by albert comin

    I'm quite at awe of him as a director. Both "Gone Baby Gone" and "The Town" are fantastic movies. Many directors would wish to have one such good movie in their careers, and Affleck has two. And if what's been said about "Argo" is true, he now has three. This guy is fantastic. He might just be one of the best working american director of today.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Armageddon is truely a piece of shit

    by papabendi

    I'm all for summer popcorn blockbusters, just not shit like Armageddon.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Armageddon isnt shit

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    but the lying muppets who always pop up to take the piss out of in are

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 4:50 a.m. CST

    out of it are

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    fucking non edit button

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:10 a.m. CST

    Shut Up About Armageddon Copernicus

    by Dan Lalonde

    One of best summer popcorn movies of all time. If you cant appreciate blockbuster movies watch art shit.

  • Deep Impact, Meteor, and that NBC miniseries are all better than Armageddon.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Fuck yeah Armageddon rocked

    by IamHERE

    Total badass popcorn movie. Give me a 2fer with Arma and Twister and I am in cheeseball popcorn movie heaven. Hell Arma is the only movie i feel manly enough to cry at... fuckin Willis loved his goddamn daughter!!!!! Fuck you all who critize this fun, brainless, and hilarious movie. One of Buscemis funniest roles. Soulless movie snobs!

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST


    by IwatchMovies


  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    Armageddon was...

    by Darkness

    The biggest pile of drivel ever produced for the masses - Christ! it was shit!. It's a Michael Bay film: the celluloid Antichrist. Could tollerate "Deep Impact"":It had a prophetic message including a black President for starters...And as for that poxy Aerosmith song!... Still, Affleck is accompolished filmmaker - who'd have thought. Loved "Gone Baby Gone", and "The Town":It was very underrated that year; the extended version gives it more of an epic look. I'm sure "Argo" will be his hat-trick. The so-called "Bennifer" fallout seems to have served him well.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Armageddon doesn't kick ass, it takes it in the ass.

    by albert comin

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    @Mr iamhere

    by albert comin

    Do you understand the irony of calling people souless for criticising a souless corporation movie product like Armageddon designed to treat people like absolute morons? The irony escaped you? You can't insult the inteligence of people whose very point of criticism of a movie is it's absense of intelligence.

  • While being called a fucking retard at the same time.

  • Something Armageddon doesn't do well.

  • The science of it was laughable, obviously - as was the logic employed. The fate of the world is at stake, and rather than doing exactly what you know the world's governments would do when facing down a 300 mile wide asteroid with very little time left (launch every nuke they could at it, which, in space, would have very little effect, and probably only serve to produce a shotgun-like effect and increase the area of impact greatly)....they have NASA send a drill team from an oil rig. Yeah, you know, drilling the oceanic crust (basaltic rocks and quite a bit of sedimentary load), drilling into a solid Fe-rich (that's iron, people) asteroid...that's the same. Theyyy're prepared. Sure. And 300 feet into a 300 mile asteroid would produce anything more than a divet. Ok. Right. But you know what? Nobody cared. It was fun. It was pure popcorn fluff, and nothing more - and there actually weren't many explosions for a Bay film. It also introduced us to Michael Clarke Duncan. Gotta love that. He and Steve Buscemi were the best parts of that film. "Get off. The nuclear. warhead. NOW." classic. Deep Impact approached the subject in an oddly similar way - but had a slightly more realistic tone to the feel of the thing. Armageddon didn't so much focus on the panic that would ensue here on Earth, whereas Deep Impact made it central, with the mission to the comet secondary. More importantly, both films woke the public up (and even some scientists) to the very REAL possibility - no, INEVITABILITY - that life on Earth WILL one day have to face a scenario very much like the one that wiped out over 70% of life on Earth and ended the Dinosaurs at the end of the Cretaceous. A global killer event like the K/T event WILL happen again. It's only a matter of when. not too long ago, an asteroid large enough to flatten a city the size of New York, or kill milions around the coasts if it impacted in the oceans, passed between the Earth and the Moon - that's VERY close in cosmic terms. We didn't even NOTICE it until it was already passing us. Why? Because the number of people detecting these objects worldwide could be fit into a single room. An object the size of the Tunguska event in 1908 impacts once a century on average - it's been just over a century. If that object had exploded over a populated city like new york, Tokyo, London, many thousands if not millions would have died. A major impact occurs on average every 46 million years. We're overdue. One look at the moon will tell you how cratered the Earth's surface would be if not for plate tectonics and water/wind erosion erasing the evidence over time. SO yeah. Even mindless fluff like Armageddon does have a purpose. Before that, most people never gave thought to such an event - since, it has been the topic of oh-so-many documentaries and studies. Because it is real (shoemaker-levy 9's impacts into Jupiter, each of which left an impact roughly the size of Earth, shows us just how serious a business this is)...and it is one of the few events which could unquestionably end the entire human species (movies aside, at present, we would stand little better chance than the dinosaurs - and if we do nothing, our fate would be just as sealed).....calling attention to it is a good thing. So, in that respect, I appreciated armageddon. Ben Affleck aside.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 6:44 a.m. CST

    History and science go out the window if it makes a better movie

    by Logan_1973

    So it was with ARMAGEDDON, so it seems with ARGO. Copernicus needs to get off his high horse. Douche.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Er...not Armageddon

    by Sinnerman

    2 plus hours of being "Stampered" including excrutiating animal biscuit love scene and then no money shot... Asteroid missing = fail

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    @ mr. Scirocco

    by IamHERE

    Of course its dumb, you were completely fooling yourself if you went into a movie like Armageddon with the expectations of it being intellectually stimulating, hence the term 'popcorn movie'. In fact the main idea in my statement was that half the fun was that it is so stupid. Most movie goers are absolute morons, in fact so is a large percentage of the population. Heres the difference between you and I, I can turn off the logical side of my brain and just enjoy a movie that was clearly made to do such that. Opposite to that statement, I can purely enjoy Terrence Malicks Tree of Life or Thin Red Line. Its ok to enjoy junk and not expect every film to be a perfect piece of celluloid or pixel lol. relax.

  • Drugs are bad, mmmkay?

  • I won't say it's tame by today's standards. But All the CGI overload we see today makes Armageddon look like an actor's piece by comparison.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    I'd agree it's unfair to unload the awfulness of Armageddon on Affleck.

    by Orbots Commander

    The guy you should be pointing fingers at is Michael Bay. He's got a great eye for action sequences, but he couldn't put together an effective narrative to save his life. Essentially, Bay would make the perfect Second Unit Director.

  • "Do you think UFOs are real?" This is how they pose it. It's such an ambiguous and meaingless query. UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. If you can't identify it, and it's flying, it's a UFO. So yes, I believe in them. I am not a paranoid schizophrenic. I think the question you mean to ask is "Do you believe that some UFOs are in face alien spacecraft?" My answer to which is I believe it's possible but not likely. Their reaction is then to assume I "don't believe in aliens" when all I've said is I don't think any UFOs are spacecraft.

  • And every single time it's blatantly obvious that it's a fucking plane or a balloon or a spotlight.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Houston, Ben is actually 4 for 4....

    by westie

    ....he was the bomb in Phantoms, yo.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Pfft. How many times you re-watch DEEP IMPACT?

    by Autodidact

    I'll tell you: You didn't. You tried to watch it on TV once and after 30 minutes you changed the channel to Richard Simmons interview and tried to remember to flip back for the wave sequence. That movie is fucking boring.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    @Mr wcolbert

    by albert comin

    It has nothing to do with perceived jaddedness of the audience of any given epoch, it has to do with basic intelligence, the type that makes an amoeda operate. Armageddon operates on an inferior level then that. Armageddon would had been a terrible movie in any era. And the only purpose of a movie like "Armageddon" is to make the people who made it rich at the expense of the gullability and good will and trust the audience show when they buy a theater ticket. In short, there is no excuse whatsoever for the existence of a movie like "Armageddon". That it's a SF movie only makes matters even more personal to me.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    @Mr logan_1973

    by albert comin

    "History and science go out the window if it makes a better movie" That's the lazy ass way of making movies. A truly talented storyteller would be able to tell a ripping yarn while staying faithful to history or science. Only untalented fucks ignore that because they can't pull it off due to their many limitations.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST

    well a couple points

    by ben

    armageddon is a huge culture sensation. that movie comes on when im hanging with friends, it actually stays on and everyone has a great time. who gives a shit about the "merits" of the movie when all it does is bring a group of people together. also, of course there are aliens out there you silly motherfuckers. also, its very very very unlikely that they've visited. if they have visited, odds are they could give a fuck about us. because if they have been here, we are probably the billionth living thing they have encountered on their journey.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Gone Baby Gone, The Town, Argo....There's a new sheriff in Hollywood.

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Affleck is a good actor, but the man is a great director. Even though The Town is Good Will Point Break it's still a solid flick. I grew up during the Iran hostage crisis, and remember it vividly. I'll see this for sure.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    @Mr iamhere

    by albert comin

    Where is it said that entertaiment is sinonimous with stupidity? Where is it said that my default attitude toward a movie should be to expect total stupidity? Where is it said that i sohuld expect the worst and just be contented with that? Where is it said that i do not have the right to demand my money worth when i buy a movie ticket? Where is it said that filmmakers shouldn't make an effort? Where is it said that entertaiment should be of the most basic kind? Where is it said that movies can only be very stupid "popcorn" or high minded art-house and with nothing inbetween? I'm sorry to say but your attitude toward movies is quite defeatist. Indirectly you are just making excuses for filmmaking keep making bad movies insulting the audience's intleligence. And where is it said that a movie with a premise like Armageddon cannot or should not be the basis for an inteligent film? If anything, and given the implications of the scenario of an asteroid impact risking ending human civilization or evne life on Earth, what Armageddon did was the very wrong way to make the movie. That movie should had been an inteligent. To treat it so dumb and lightly is in fact insulting. And the sad thing about all this Armageddon business? This movie was one of the reasons why James Cameron wasn't able to make his own movie about an asteroid/coment heading on Earth and the atempt to stop it. By what was aid, Cameron's script was very good and very smart and full of thrills a minute. Think about that, Michael Bay's movie deprived us of a sweet badass SF movie by James Cameron. On that alone, fuck Armageddon and fuck the filmmakers who made it and fuck the even more idiotic studio executives that allowed that shit to exist in the first place.

  • It's insulting beyond belief. That kind of misanthropy belongs to hermits who live in caves in the middle of mountains, not to a movie goer. And if i harshly criticise studio executives or filmmakers who assume such low opinion on those who help them get rich, i also extend that criticism for people who should know better, like movie geeks. No movie geek should ever give excuses for movies and filmmakers that treat us all as morons.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Casey Affleck

    by animas

    should have won the Oscar for his role of Robert Ford insted of Javier Boredom

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    Obviously your memories of "Armageddon" has faded to almost nothing, because the movie has not lost any of it's potency of shit even after all this years. It's a great thing that Ben affleck has left movies like Armageddon in his past, that he has evolved, and thatr now he grew into a fantastic filmmaker of his own right. Affleck was able to grew. Michael Bay is still in stasis, still in the same level of shit when he made Armageddon. Ben Affleck is the real deal.

  • I chose neither.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST

    @Mr animas

    by albert comin

    Both deserved it, because both were fantastic.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    lol Good Will Point Breaking

    by Autodidact

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    State of Play, Good Will Hunting, The Town, Hollywoodland.....

    by bohdi71

    Put Ben with a great director (even himself) he's great, put him with a bad one, well.....

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Affleck, you the bomb in Phantoms, yo!

    by Mikala24

    And you made me cry... "Harry!!!!! No!!!!" Poetry.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST

    we ousted their Shah???!!!...uh, no

    by ZackNeruda

    You have to know your history if you're going to write about it or even just mention it. You said "we ousted their Shah in favor of one backed by America and Great Britain." Actually the U.S. & G.B. ousted their elected president, Mohammad Mosaddegh. Even simple sources like wikipedia have this story right, so it's not hard to read up on. While you're at it read up on the nature of the Iranian secret police under the Shah, SAVAK.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST


    by Logan_1973

    Sticking too close to the history and science books can often lead to boring. I'm willing to forgive transgressions as long as I'm entertained. Heck even TITANIC and 2001 had their sins.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    @Mr logan_1973

    by albert comin

    "Sticking too close to the history and science books can often lead to boring". Again it depents on the talent of the storyteller, or rather, the lack of. 2001 has no scientific flaws. Even the thing that most people though was over the top, like Bowman jumping from the pod to the airlock in vaccum, has been proved to be able to pull off, but it's very dangerous and fright with a bad end, a fact the movie does exploits for tension. The only thing you could say the movie doesn't get right is because of the limitations of knowledge at the time the movie was made. So, that movie still stands tall as what a movie can aspire to be.

  • The Shan gets a lot of leeway in western history books because he was a friend of the west, but in fact the fucker was as bad as Khomeni if not worst. and made worst because he was a total sold out who never had the interests of his country in his heart and mind, but only his own. He used the country has his own piggy bank, he got unimaginably rich at the expense of the people. Persians (iranians) were second rate citizens in their own country. And you might not beleive it, but women had even less rights under his regime then afterwards when the fundamentalists took over. We all heard true horro stories of women being treated as second rate after the Khomeni Revolution, but before women had it even worst. Women now have few rights, before they had NONE wahtsoever. The story of iran is a tale of sorrow. And yet everybody who had oportunity to visit the country tells they are the most friedly people you could ever met. To the point that all the events depicted in Argo, while true, are in fact more of a exception then the rule to the kindness of heart that the iranian people have. Iran's government, however, is made of fuckers.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    @mr. scirocco

    by IamHERE

    funny you brought up cameron... ever hear of piranha 2??? Where as I can totally dig the near anal retentive quality of Camerons scifi, I still love his Piranha 2.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST


    by Dogmatic

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    by Dogmatic

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    @Mr iamhere

    by albert comin

    I have watched Piranha 2 indeed. In Cameron's filmmography, it realyl is his odd movie out. Yet, it was the movie where he met Lance Henrikssen, so some good came out of it. But it seems that Cameron himself considers it not part of his official filmmography. And if the stories of the making of the movie are correct, one can't blame him for it. However, i wonder if that movie was what started his passion for sea diving. And if we are talking about obscure Cameron stuff, have you see "Xenogenesis"?

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    @Mr ultratron

    by albert comin

    I beg to differ on calling Armageddon fun. Because nothing in that movie could be considered fun as far i can tell. Migrane inducing, rage inducing, bewilderment inducing, yeah, but fun? I would never mistake it for fun. And the movie could had been less stupid so very easily. What's fantastic is how stupid it is. A lot of effort was put into it to be this kind of stupid. Or who worked on it must be stupid off the charts.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Anyone hear about US embassy's being overrun in Egypt and Lybia?

    by kindofabigdeal

    Perfect time for this movie to come out. And what a bunch of dick's to do that on the 9/11 anniversary. But I also point the finger that that religous nut job that gives Christians a bad name. What can he hope to accomplish by putting Muhammad on a mock trial. (other than pissing off the Muslim world) So question of the day is....Will Hollywood pussy out and push back the release of Argo over this?

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Armageddon became great the moment Buscemi started firing the machine gun

    by I_Snake_Plissken

    Because that's when you realize the already ridiculous plot crosses the line into sheer lunacy.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST


    by Logan_1973

    Fair enough, but 2001 does have numerous flaws in the moon-based sequences; too numerous to get into here, but maybe Copernicus can elaborate since he's the genius in bullshit-which-ruins-movies-that-noone-else-cares-about.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    I just watched THE CORE on Netflix yesterday

    by Autodidact

    A movie so dumb that it can't even do ARMAGEDDON style dumbness properly.

  • I guess Bay does not believe in tectonic plates. also, aparently Bay believes the impact of the asteroid that killed off the dinosaurs turned the whole Earth into a cinder, bottom of the seas included. Then how the fuck life endured to this day then? But my favorite part is when Charlton Heston says how many tonnes of nuclear bombs the force of the impact was equivalent of, and yet he makes a mistake by UNDERSTIMATION, when in reality the impact was dozen of thousands of times bigger then said in the movie. Bay, in an atempt to sound big, actually erred by going way smaller. And that's just the movie's first 30 seconds! How can you not laugh at this movie's and it's filmmakers' retardness?

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Or certainly what is advertised every day

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    @Mr logan_1973

    by albert comin

    "2001" was made BEFORE the moon landings. And by before, i mean those scenes were shot in 1965. Nobody knew exactly how the moon surface looked like at ground level, all they had going for was photos from above, and only the photos from Earth telescopes had good resolution, and then you have to consider the distortion caused by the Earth's atmosphere. So, with all those limitations, "2001" actually did a fantastic job in guessing without direct knowledge. You cannot criticise "2001" without taking this things in consideration. And you are incorrect in one thing, those are not just "bullshit-which-ruins-movies-that-noone-else-cares-about". Many do care, like yours truly. You should just speak for yourself in this regard, my friend.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    You might not believe it, but The Core is actually based on real science and at least in geology they did do research. It's the presentation that's completly fucked up. And there's some real terrible understanding of science in regard to solar microwaves. And the movie predated the use of Unobtanium years before Avatar. So yes, it is a bad movie. But unlike Armageddon, who couldn't be assed with science, "The Core"'s problem is that is knows the science but makes a terrible job at presenting it and makes mistakes by mixing up stuff.

  • Fukashima which is still killing us all- how the news just stopped. I had never seen news so bad and then it just stops. Anyone else see that big rad cloud that headed right up California's ass? Anyone see how there was no mention of it ever again? Anyone see how we're all being slaughtered by the other cunts on the planet? Anyone? Anyone else live with this heavy shit and do everything they can to ignore and remain a happy normal person? Anyone? I do because I think. It's horrible to be a thinking creature in this age. It's so fucked it's incomprehensible how fucked it is. I want us all to live long happy lives and never have I seen a world so fucked and changed from what it used to be. Me? I could do a thousand years on my head. I love this experience. It sucks so bad that we've allowed the world to get to this unsustainable level. It never should have happened. Anyway. Business as usual I suppose. Pretty scary.

  • And that by being scientifically accurate the movie gains in thrills, not lose it.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    whole point.

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    I think Armageddon does reach the so-bad-its-good status..

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Chief example #1...the animal crackers scene...Owen Wilson at his surfer/stoner best before it became a cliche..Bruce Willis chasing Affleck around, shooting with a shotgun ON AN OIL RIG.. c'mon, how could this be taken seriously.. As far as Affleck as a director as opposed to Bay..Affleck said he viewed a lot of '70s thrillers to get the right feel for Argo. You get the feeling that Bay only watches previous Bay films for influence.

  • It's not that hard to accept. Yes, on one level its one of the stupidest, most intellectually offensive movies ever made. It's manipulative, michael bay, amerrrrrica can do it! garbage. The science presented in it alone is so far off I don't think they even had a science advisor. On the other hand, it's ridiculously entertaining. And I'm against "turn your brain off" movies in every way. I can't watch transformers. But something about all those wonderful actors having so much fucking fun with some of the silliest dialogue ever put on film….it's just fun. It's big, stupid fun and it can't be denied. it's horrible film making done right. And I stand by that. From the looks of it, most people in here stand by that too, even if they won't admit it to themselves.

  • I must be talking to a 14 year old.

  • In fact, Armageddon is so bad it goes beyond the impossible. It's off the charts. The only way to find some enjoyment out of it is to mock the shit out of it and the clown who directed it.

  • that being the need to drill through a lot of rock really quickly.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Millions of People DO NOT Claim to Have Absolutely Seen a UFO

    by Crow3711

    Millions of people may have said "i saw something weird in the sky last night…could've been a ufo" but they don't really believe that. You're a fool if you really think millions and millions of people have reported actual UFO sightings that they 100% believe that's what they saw. That number is considerably lower. And occupied by nut jobs.

  • That movie is just bad, no fun involved.

  • Seriuosly how much of a fucking idiot are you?

  • In the movie Inception. I would have liked to have seen the person on the bottom wake up before the elevator kicker had finished and seen people splatting on the roof of the elevator for a split second. If you understand what I just said then you totally understood inception.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    @Mr autodidact

    by albert comin

    I bet you to read again what i wrote about The Core. And yes, despite all the many things that The Core does wrong, it is still less bad then "Armageddon". You see, The Core actually tries to rationalise the shit that is seen onscreen. The explanations are risible, but they at least try some explaining, no matter how insane it is. In Armageddon, Bay must have though that explaining is for fags so he didn't bothered. The Core uses make believe science, Armageddon doesn't even bother to make believe.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    If you can't identify it, it's a UFO. UFO != "Spaceship"

    by Autodidact

    People's total inability to grasp the meaning of simple words like that makes me fucking mental.

  • They only have to drill 800 feet into the rock to put the nuke in that will blow the asteroid in half? Even at ten years old I was like, "wait a second, that makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE AT ALL. Let's do this!" But seriously, whoever wrote that wasn't even trying. Embarrassingly poor logic. I guess the middle of Texas is only 800 feet from any given state border? What the fuck?

  • Most of you are barely literate and have confused knowledge of something with the understanding of something.

  • But that's not at all what people actually mean when they saw UFO and you know it. Unidentified objects in the sky? Millions. Aliens? Thousands.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Suck my dick AICN. This is goodbye.

    by Autodidact

    Go ahead and change the background Harry. I'm out.

  • UFO just means something that aparently is flying and you can't tell what it is. This means that you saw is very liely a known thing or phenomenum but for various reaons your recognition of it is impaired. Again, nothing magical about that. Millions of people seeing UFO means nothing at all. Millions of people every day see things they do not know what it is because they can't see it clearly or do not know what they are seeing. But not knowing what you are seeing does not magically translate to fucking aliens from another world.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    That's why Dan Akroid is a believer.

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I think it was wookies for sure.

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    @Mr crow3711

    by albert comin

    You know what's so stupid in saying an asteroid is the size of Texas? Because Texas, as a geographical entity created on a map, is a 2 dimention thing. Astepoids are 3 dimentional objects, they are rocks in space. So what exactly do they mean of an asteroid being the size of Texas? Is it diameter? Is the word diameter a concept too complicated for Michael Bay to understand? If they mean diameter, then it makes that asteroid bigger then the largest asteroid of the asteroid belt, Ceres. And what's hillarious is that the knuckeheads at NASA in the movie only noticed it 10 days before it hits Earth, when the smaller Ceres was discovered in 1800 with the time's telescope. NASA of today in Armageddonc an't find a larger object then what a dude in 1800 did with a small portable telescope. Fantastic! Even funnier is the fact that at a distance of 10 days from Earth, the asteroid would be the 3rd brightest object in the sky after the sun and moon, even in daytime, meaning it could be seen with naked eye, and yet the genious at NASA only found it because they photograhed it with the Hubble orbinal telescope. By the way, the Hubble is terrible at photograhing asteroids because they move too fast for it to keep up, the thing was build to photograph distant objects like stars and galaxies. This movie is not just made by retards, it assumes everybody is too.

  • I am with crow3711 on this one though. I think it's of a genre of itself..."entertaining hokum".

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Patrick Dempsey double chest stomp is judge Dredd worthy

    by UltraTron

  • my mind that John Chambers took part in a covert CIA operation.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Armageddon is a fucking blast

    by slone13

    To hell with you if you don't like it. Good day.

  • ...but oh dear Zod so much of the rest of it is just so...proto-Baysian. I love this stupid silly film, and yet I hate it so...

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Affleck was DA BOMB in PHANTOMS, Yo!!!

    by Reckoner

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    How about some reviews of Arbitrage or To the Wonder?

    by Reckoner

  • ...when it's not being a sober disaster movie (and say what you will, it was VERY sober), it's a bit of a bore. Then again, this is/was a film where the supporting actors--Morgan Freeman, Robert Duvall, Maximilian Schell, Elijah Wood, and even Laura Innes--were orders of magnitude stronger than lead Tea Leoni; God bless her, but she was a long-legged block of wood in this movie.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    @Mr kidicarus

    by albert comin

    I do find Armageddon to be a very boring movie. All that frenetic editing instead of causing excitement as per design, instead it only causes complete detatchment on me. The movie is boring beyond word. Also helped by the fact that Bay seems unable to make a movie where a scene isn't over-extended beyond reason. Bay's movies are not sucessful because of how he makes them but despite how he makes them. Audiences have far more tolerance then given credit.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    @Mr openthepodbaydoorshal

    by albert comin

    To say Armageddon belongs to a genre of it's own is to give Michael Bay a leeway he doesn't deserve. And i think i got tired of talking about this godawful movie. It would be so good it would be forgotten like it had never existed. Meanwhile, i can't wait to watch "Argo".

  • If you haven't forgiven (and that term should be used loosely) him, especially after his performance in HollywoodLand, and his direction of Gone Baby Gone and The Town, the latter of which he gave a very strong performance to boot, go fuck your mother.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST


    by tailhook

    'we ousted their Shah in favor of one backed by America and Great Britain' Affleck didn't really put that in his movie did he? Or did you conveniently misstate facts? And the primary reason Islamists attacked is due to the Shah's implementation of widespread Western reforms, including giving women the right to vote. When Carter proved impotent in stopping them, they just simply took the rest of the country too. To them Carter/Shah were tied at the hip, and both were equally hated to the point that they held the hostages until the very day Reagan was sworn in, and then let them go. It wasn't too long after that that ol Saddam decided Iran was ripe for the picking and started the 8 year war there. And if you think the Iranians aren't one of the most fanatical 'will do anything' to win people, don't ask how they cleared minefields during the Iran-Iraq war.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Oh.. and life imitating art and art imitating life...

    by tailhook

    We just had our embassies violated again and an ambassador assassinated by islamic fundamentalists backed by Al Quada with a president too impotent to do anything about it other than apologize.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST




  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    @crow3711 - you nailed it

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    Well said, spot on. I'm sure many of the folks bashing Armageddon are the same ones that loved Expendables. Seems to me a bit disingenuous. Neither is anything more than escapist entertainment, so don't hold them to a higher bar. Also, Armageddon introduced me to Liv Tyler, who is the first actress I've seen that I'd love to nail even though she's certainly riddled with disease. I'd gladly welcome the ol' crotchherp for a bareback go. Ah, the masturbation fantasies, they're a-comin' back. Not even sure if there was a woman in Expendables because it bored me to sleep.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Armageddon was Amazing!!!

    by achapin14

    Reality aside. The performances were spot on. Affleck, Willis were Phenominal!!! MCD was Great as Usual!!! RIP MCD! The action was intense and the score superb! Totally wept my eyes out in theaters when I saw this back in 98!!! Still get teary eyed watching it on bluray. Great Movie!!!

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Andddd there's your Best Picture / Director

    by I am_NOTREAL

    Gone Baby Gone and The Town laid the groundwork and early reviews are almost uniformly great. The Academy can reward Affleck with a straight face. It will also probably have a nice take at the Box Office (not Avengers / TDKR numbers of course, but easily north of $100M). Everyone wins.

  • Love that guy!

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    it takes a lot more to forgive Affleck

    by quintana007

    Paycheck, Daredevil, Jack Ryan (forgot even the name of this shit), Reindeer Games and mots important: JENNIFER GARNER! Stay -behind- the camera Ben :-)

  • Great job framing your article Copernicus. I really wanted to read an Argo review...

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    @kidi: "mob of violent ultraconservatives"

    by tailhook

    Complete with rocket launchers and a coordinated attack, first on the embassy by the mob and then at the fallback position at the consulate with the heavy artillery? It was a coordinated assassniation by some determined terrorists, by first stirring up a mob and using it as a backdrop and for political cover. And yes, assassination is the correct word. The great part about their plan is the terrorists just knew that there would be denialists like yourself that would try protect them for political reasons. As long as they made it look like it was an accidental flash mob killing, you would try to justify it as such. It Wasn't. This was an assassination of a foreign ambassador, plain and simple.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Armageddon was a great summer flick


    Better than any of the terrible transformer films. And Affleck in hollywoodland was great. Good will hunting and the kevin smith films he is great.

  • Read it, and see what a true, scientifically plausible giant asteroid film should be like!

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    ganymede3010, Star Wars was a space opera fantasy

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    that had no pretensions to scientific accuracy. In fact, it is a fantasy film in a space setting. Armageddon purports to be scientifically accurate and endorsed by NASA, even though it is full of stupidity. That is

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST


    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    That is why it is lambasted for reasons that Star Wars is not.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Armageddon never once purported to be scientifically accurate :P.

    by tailhook

    And anyone who in any way thought it was going for scientific accuracy is a moron. Its an entertainment product and a story, not a fucking science class. The only people with their panties in a bunch are the girls sporting pocket protectors and thick glasses that get rolled up in the particulars of that type of thing and will always find something to quibble over in order to try to prove how much smarter they are than the creators. Pathetic. Everybody else just goes To Watch A Fun Movie and be entertained. On that, hell.. i'll still throw Armageddon in from time to time. I can't say the same of Deep Impact.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Armageddon: Fucking Classic

    by Darr Furr

    Harry Stamper: He don't know how to fail...... End of story

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    I still think that Watts is hot

    by Darr Furr

    I dont care if she kicks me in the balls and I float off into space.

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Affleck should direct and star in his own life story

    by CountryBoy

    Going from Boston nobody to worldwide superstar to ridiculed buffoon to revered artist... Practically writes itself...

  • Sept. 12, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Affleck's commentary on Armageddon is great

    by Laserhead

    He sounds hammered. "I asked Michael why it was supposed to be easier to train oil drillers to be astronauts than to teach astronauts to drill for oil. I mean, astronauts have multiple PhDs, and wildcat workers don't even need a GED. He just told me to shut up." Does a hilarious Billy Bob Thornton too.

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Affleck on Armageddon

    by tailhook

    I'd tell him to shut up too. A) Very few astronauts have or need Ph.D's to do their job. Being physically fit is a lot more important. You could train a monkey to do an astronauts job, and they have in the past. The dudes on the ground providing support and figuring out what to do when shit goes wrong? Ph.D's. But its not hard to know what buttons to press and press them if told to. Most of their time is spent simply planning for scenarios and understanding what to do if certain things go wrong. B) Oil drilling is far harder given there is no exact science to the actual drilling of the hole itself. The conditions are always constantly changing and you have to adjust and know when to replace worn-out gear.

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    @Mr tailhook

    by albert comin

    But "Armageddon" did tried to pass as scientific acurate, to the point it had at least two NASA scientific consultants hired by the production. And i remmeber the promotion back then trying to seel it as how people would act heroically if such a thing happened. All that angle about blue collar types saving the day. It really sold itself as what if this really happened. And least of all, the ponderous tone of the movie when it's not about Buscemi's clown antics. Of course in hindsight it all looks so preposterous that even the fans of the movie don't try to defend it with the realistic angle, because it would be self-defeating. But i remember, man. And i did promised myself i would not be brough back to a "Armageddon" discussion again. I'm so weak willed it's a disgrace!

  • While once there might had been some astronauts who didn't had PhDs, today everyone of them have. No exceptions. The reason there are so few astronauts is because they have to match both strict physical and intellectual criteria. In fact, most astronauts are scientists with PhD degrees, and the military personal is the fewer, and they have the taks of being the misison commanders and the pilots, for obvious reasons. There is science to oil drilling. All the technology used in oil drilling is taken from science. It is a very well studied activity because of all the money that's involved in it. Nobody would be stupid to give the very important and lucrative task of oil prospection to a bunch of fools who would think themselves artistes. But there is no way to compare the training need to be an astronaut to being an oil driller. It is easier to train an astronaut to be a driller then otherwise and nobody needs to be a rocket science to figure that out. Michael Bay told Affleck to shut up because any amount of thinking about Armageddon brings the whole movie down. It also means that at some level Bay was aware his movie had foundations on bullshit. It's to Affleck credit that even that young he was already seeing the flaws on the movie. He shut up because the money was good, and he seems like even at such a young age he was bright enough to not burn bridges. And fuck, here i am again talking about this wretched movie. Weak, weak me!

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Is Jack Kirby in the film.

    by hst666

    I believe he did some storyboards or some such for the fake movie in the real operation.

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I thought everyone agreed Michael Bay = worthless pile of shit

    by hst666

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    DEEP IMPACT is underrated.

    by FluffyUnbound

    It needs better editing because it has pacing problems. But there are some damn fine individual elements to the film. They actually put some effort into the science involved in traveling to and undertaking operations on a comet. So I give the entire Robert Duvall section of the movie a thumb's up. I kind of enjoy the cheesy subplot at the beginning where the President thinks Tea has uncovered the secret, when she really hasn't. And the disaster sequence is first-rate. Anybody who didn't get choked up at the scene where Tea's boss has taken her daughter to the day care center to wait for the wave, and Tea gives up her seat, has no heart. Anybody who doesn't get choked up when Tasha Yar gives the baby to Frodo on the motorbike also has no heart. Or the scene where the blind astronaut lies to his wife so she'll think he can see their son, for that matter. Lots of blatantly manipulative stuff in the last twenty minutes of that film that actually WORKS, unlike the manipulative stuff in ARMAGEDDON that's all laughably bad.

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    RE: Is Jack Kirby in the film.

    by Stalkeye

    Yes, he is as King Kirby was poratrayed by actor Michael Parks. (Kill Bill 2) That alone, is worthy of checking this Movie out.

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay Movies

    by acevedo

    I don't get why the hate for Armageddon. It was a fun entertaining summer movie. Bad Boys, The Rock, Armageddon, Dark of the Moon are great movies. YES they all have stupid illogical moments but who cares! Here come the cynical ass who states "I Care!" Then don't watch and stop shitting on movies people enjoy.

  • Just took me right out of it and kept me out. If Affleck's hair doesn't get some antagonistic and/or expositional dialogue with the other hairs, I won't be able to suspend disbelief.

  • Sept. 13, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Like Armageddon or not...

    by ComSamVimes

    ...Ben Afflek was not the many people have pointed out. Personally, I never thought he was a "good" actor, but I thought he was an entertaining actor. Just fun to watch really. As a director, he's killing it. He's actually turned into a really good actor too. Which is nice...seems like an all right dude.