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Here's 44 Seconds Of LINCOLN!
Nordling here.
I hate these teaser trailers for trailers. But for this one I'll make an exception. The trailer for LINCOLN debuts on September 13th, and GooglePlay wants everyone to know it, so we get a snippet of Daniel Day-Lewis (or his back, anyway) and a little bit of combat in this 44 seconds. I'm curious if the pensive score is John Williams' - it probably is, Spielberg tends to use Williams' music in his trailers - and I'm especially curious as to who the voice-over reading the Gettysburg Address is. It doesn't sound like Daniel Day-Lewis at all. Here's the tease:
LINCOLN opens early November, and you can bet when the trailer premieres e'll have it online.
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Not really interested
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I have been very curious to hear what they do for his voice.
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You are correct, i do remember learning that, at least i think i do. I would have seen this for no other reason than that Spielberg tends to make emotional, driven, compelling historical drama's.. Also I'm a big Spielberg nerd. The addition of DDL playing Lincoln just plants my ass even harder in the theater opening night.
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Spielberg movie I've legitimately been interested in from a non-fanboy point of view since...Jeez, probably since Munich. Which was only an okay movie rather than a great one. Sadly it feels like Spielberg's just kind of vanished in the 2000's. At least awesome Spielberg movies have, anyways.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
Yeah, everyone expects Lincoln to have this booming voice, but apparently he didn't
by rev_skarekroe
Whoever's doing that voice over is pretty clearly a young black guy.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
I guarantee this will be great
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Spielberg's heavyweight dramas (Schindler, Ryan, Amistad, Munich) tend to be where his heart is nowadays. It's Robopocalypse I'd be worried about.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
a_j_pennypacker... I heard the same thing about Lincoln'svoice.
by gringostar
I imagine that DDL will sound more like the Lincoln at the Hall of Presidents at Disney World than Mike Tyson (at least I hope so).
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I want Spielberg of the 70/80s.
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Yes, meh. This is Twilight-esque stingy; gonna take more than 44 seconds to convince me this is gonna be good.
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with 'followed by a live google hangout'. Are we going to go to the food court and have a jamba juice with Katy Perry too?
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
A character in Chricton's Timeline book mentioned Lincoln had a high pitched voice. That's the only place I read it.
by Doctor_Nefario
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
LincolnMovieHangout? HANGOUT?? WTF?? I'll go only if they serve beer and pizza. And Van Halen on the stereo turntable. Idiots.
by rocketeuropa
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
A character in Chricton's Timeline book mentioned Lincoln had a high pitched voice. That's the only place I read it.
by Doctor_Nefario
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As for the voice...I've honestly never heard the stuff about Lincoln not really having an orator's voice, so that was a bit odd to hear if that was indeed DDL. It sounded more like Joseph Gordon-Levitt, IMO.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
Honestly, I thought it sounded like Daniel Day Lewis' voice. I hope I'm wrong. If I'm an idiot, please call me out.
by notcher
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I don't know who David Oyelowo is, but I don't know why y'all think it's a mystery who's doing the narration. At 0:14-0:17ish you can see David Oyelowo (as Ira Clark) reciting it to Abe.
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is the soldier in the scene - you can see him speaking it. How could you not see that?
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Sept. 10, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
Lincoln’s accent was a blend of Indiana and Kentucky.
by Darth Saruman
“It was hard to know whether it was more Hoosier or blue grass,” says [Harold Holzer, author of 40 books on Lincoln & the Civil War]. The way he spelled words, such as “inaugural” as “inaugerel,” gives some clue as to how he pronounced them. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Ask-an-Expert-What-Did-Abraham-Lincolns-Voice-Sound-Like.html#ixzz267OjgNRf
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Somebody move the doomsday clock up by a few minutes.
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hope the film lives up to its potential we'll see......
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It's a movie about Lincoln starring DDL, in the teaser-teaser here one of LINCOLN's most famous speeches is being delivered... and you're asking who is speaking? REALLY!?
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I'm walking out.
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saying the line... come on for f•ck sake
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I guess people back then probably did have a bunch of nose hairs sticking out. Very accurate.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
As some have pointed out, it's the soldier doing the narration, as you can see him speaking it in one of the shots.
by DrBathroomMD
Come on people, make an effort.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
So it's time for a 'I want to win an oscar' Spielberg movie?
by Raptor Jesus
Ho hum.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
um...I'll hold out for the trailer until my full opine on this project but that has the potential to be really sappy
by MainMan2001
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The footage starts at 0:05 and ends at 0:24
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In the last few years Spielberg has given us War Of The Worlds, Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull, and AI. Yes Minority Report was in there, and it was cool, but his science fiction output has been largely lackluster for years. Do you really want him to go back to doing something that he hasn't been particularly successful with for years?
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Sept. 10, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
Never understood why this film hasn't been made until now
by Blarg Barfington
I know there have been TV movies, but nothing recently and not focusing exclusively on Lincoln. He's been a background character in Civil War movies of course, but Lincoln was about a HELL of a lot more than the Civil War. I'm just glad Spielberg did it before the inevitable Oliver Stone conspiracy yankfest.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST
We just missed the possibility of having a recording of Lincoln's voice
by Nem_Wan
Sadly, no recording exists. http://www.firstsounds.org/features/lincoln.php Lincoln surely would have been game to try a recording technology if he'd encountered it, since he sat for such novelties as stereo photography. Yes, we have Lincoln in 3D.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST
Count Orlock is right. The VIDEO is 44 seconds, but we get less than 20 seconds of "Lincoln" footage. Nordling should amend the title.
by jawsfan
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
Spielberg gives us "Lincoln". Hopefully future sequels will be about William Jennings Bryan, Zachary Taylor, and Millard Fillmore.
by jawsfan
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST
Coming Summer 2014: Van Buren -- the might President from Pasadena, CA, who turned the rock and roll world on its ears.
by jawsfan
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST
Alex Van Buren, Eddie Van Buren, Wolfgang Van Buren, and David Lee Roth
by jawsfan
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST
Special cameo appearance by Jack Klugman as our nation's 6th president, John "Quincy, M.E." Adams
by jawsfan
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Back when he was running for President, there were no sound recordings, no broadcasts of any kind. The majority of people who voted for him never heard him or saw him. Their only exposure to him was in the newspaper and word-of-mouth. He probably sounded like Ross Perot by the accounts I've read. He would never be elected today. Funny voice, ugly face. Nope. Never.
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It's the black soldier at the end who's speaking.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
Did I just see Obama cameo as a union soldier? it looked EXACTLY LIKE HIM
by Arcadian
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST
Sutherland, he must have been a convinceing speaker at the very least, oddly accented or not. He was a lawyer and part of his living was the spoken word.
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
How can you not know who's doing the talking? They literally show the guy saying it at the very end. I don't know the actor's name, but I'm pretty sure he was in King Kong
by TheSeeker7
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I like this in concept, and the cast, but this teaser does nothing for me. It's insufficient to evoke anything, really.
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I would not dispute you one bit. Based on the man's letters and other writings, I have no doubt he was passionate and practiced as a speaker.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
But the majority of Americans never heard him, of that I'm certain.
by Queefer Sutherland
Yes, a lot of people DID hear him, but they are definitely in the minority. But please don't mistake my comments for criticism. I am a Lincoln fan, and have read all his writings and most things written about him. He is truly inspiring, in spite of the fact he probably sounded like Ross Perot.
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It was clear from the first second. And showing the actor near the end of the clip confirms it. Seriously, Day Lewis? What are you smoking?
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
Raptor - Spielberg makes a few oscar bait movies every now and then
by WWBD
This is in no way the first. Since Schindler's List, you've got - Amistad, Saving Private Ryan, Munich, and War Horse. Amistad and War Horse are the two most egregious. This one will probably be in the other category with Munich and Private Ryan (that is, oscar bait movies that are actually good and not just oscar bait).
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
This is why I think this is awesome: because Lincoln is standing in the rubble of the war so many hung upon him, and in the midst of that considerable doubt he hears a young soldier fighting this war recount the words he only recently spoke. As though b
by ChaunceyGardiner
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I have never read about the pitch of Lincoln's voice, but many individuals said that it had an ever-so-slight North Kentucky twang.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST
Ask anyone with a favourite American President and they won't tell you who the President was, but what they stood for and what they expected of the nation, how they saw "their America."
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST
I for one may have serious quarrel with the policies and political realities of Kennedy's Administration, but I cannot for one instance discount the effect he had on the people of my parents' generation.
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST
WWBD, I have to disagree on "War Horse" as not only did I feel it to be a grand contemplation on the chaos and scars of war but also highly loyal to its themes on the quality of individual faith, the belief that goodness can survive the most detrimental o
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
As I was saying, "[it] can survive the most detrimental of forces."
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST
Sutherland, mainly I was trying to counter what I feel would be a devalueing of Lincoln's oratorical skills due to the very ambiguous phraseing surrounding the quality of his voice. In implying an effeminate and/or nasal voice we might overlook the fact
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
Sorry, again. "... we might overlook the fact that he was able to move and emotionally register with great crowds of people with said voice."
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST
This looks like it has a chance to be outstanding...
by WeylandYutani
And I am looking forward to it. But it makes me think that we probably only have 5-10 Spielberg films left before he packs it in or goes to the big directing chair in the sky. I hope he considers reviving that Interstallar project from a few years back before retirement.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
I just realized that my whole perception of Lincoln is soley based on how he was portrayed in...
by Wolfman Nards
4 score and... 7 minutes ago... We, your forefathers, we're brought forth upon a most Excellent Adventure conceived by our new friends, Bill and Ted. These two great men are dedicated to a proposition which was true in my time, just as it's true today. Be Excellent to each other and PARTY ON DUDES!!!
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First of all, please don't post so long in the titles. It is messy. Secondly, Kennedy was not widely appreciated until AFTER he died. Your parents' sentiment is probably skewed by his abbreviated life. That is Kennedy's lasting legacy in terms of "popularity" and nostalgia. He was the last president before we entered the terrible 60s (assassinations, Vietnam, anti-establishment sentiment, etc...). So, your parents probably remember Kennedy with the nostalgia of his death and that he was the president just before America (and the world) changed in the eyes of many. There was a good chance that he might not win reelection, which was why he was already starting to campaign in November 1963 for the 1964 election.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
I thought it was Frederick Douglass' voice, but there's no character of him listed on IMDB. Which is fucking odd.
by Pvt. Duke
How hasn't there been a movie made about Frederick Douglass? Strong, smart, good looking slave who was taught to read by the lady of the house behind her husband's back. Douglass, in turn, starts teaching the other slaves to read. Honky husband finds out, banishes Douglass to a known "slave breaker." During a particularly bad whipping, Douglass beats the piss out of the old shitheel, and spends the next few months giving the old honky the stink-eye while he bangs an older woman and plots his escape. At this point, he's still in his teens. He escapes to New York, marries his girl, becomes an orator for the abolitionist movement and spends a few years being chased through the US by lynch-thirsty yokels while he tries to champion the cause. Spoke on behalf of women's rights and education, broke ties with abolitionist John Brown after Brown became determined to start an armed slave rebellion, lost his youngest daughter to illness and had to creep through Canada on his way home just to avoid detection, met personally with Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson, eulogized Lincoln at the opening of the Freemen's memorial, did a bunch of other shit, then died. Pretty hard to fuck that story up.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:11 p.m. CST
I just realized that my whole perception of Lincoln is soley based on how he was portrayed in...
by Wolfman Nards
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure. All the way down to his voice and the stupid face he makes while he's trying chewing gum for the first time. 4 score and... 7 minutes ago... We, your forefathers, we're brought forth upon a most Excellent Adventure conceived by our new friends, Bill and Ted. These two great men are dedicated to a proposition which was true in my time, just as it's true today. Be Excellent to each other and PARTY ON DUDES!!! That's some Shakespearean shit right there.
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I honestly don't understand why War Horse gets no love. I believe it captures more of the "Amblin" spirit than Super 8 or the lot of "trying to be early Amblin" films we've seen recently. Those early Amblin films worked because they made you suspend your disbelief and allow the fantastical elements to exists without over analyzing them. War Horse does the same IMHO. I think the world is too cynical for Spielberg these days. Sad, I really think films like Catch Me, Munich, WOTW, War Horse, AI and Minority Report are great films, maybe not as great as ET, Jaws, Raiders, but still head and shoulders above most films in the theaters.
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You are very correct, and both were young persons (though, my dad did vote for Humphreys). But as I stated above, Presidents are not merely remembered for what they did but for how they made people feel, about themselves, the Presidency, and the country. Part of it was to explain my objections to the continuation of the very ambiguous reportage that Lincoln's voice was high-pitched. I feel that repeating what is a mildly circulated rumour at best does a great deal to take away from the political realities of Lincoln's Presidency: that he had to have a voice vocal enough to assauge and persaude groups of people, a voice capable of expounding the beauty of his ideas and the clarity and intelligence of his words. Otherwise, if he spoke like a "pip-squeak," then it is doubtful he would have ever been listened to in the first place. And while our mythical perception of Lincoln may not have been a reality, that his was a booming voice and as clear as a bell, it is true that his was enough to engage ferociously with some of America's greatest speakers, enough to mingle with them in the fray of debate and come out, if not by volume, then by a combination of clarity and moral and intellectual precision. His voice must have been vehicle enough for the conversations that have travelled thus far through our history. Thus, the effect that Lincoln's words had on people would have been so profound if his voice at the time would have been thought immemorable. Quaint possibly, but not capable of being ignored. Just as I feel that to equate Kennedy's lack of political strength with his quality of Presidency is missing the point: his image, what he stood for, was a quality in itself that spoke to people enough that his is a mythical presidency (as opposed to someone like Garfield). In order to understand the reality of a Presidency, one must also look at the effect of it on the People. The mourning that followed the young Kennedy was truly of a people who thought that in some way their voice had gone, a once silent minority. His Presidency, deeply flawed or not, had resonated - enough that those flaws were greatly forgiven later. (I am thinking now of some of the Blair/Elizabeth verbal and intellectual duels in Frears' "The Queen.)
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST
Yea, what the hell are you people talking about. Clearly it's the black dude at the end talking.. Most likely just quoting Lincoln
by Tank Williams
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST
Those who call Munich and Amistad poor examples of filmmaking need to get their eyes checked.
by RedJester
Hell, even War Horse was very solid overall although it is probably his weakest "serious" film entry to date.
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Sept. 10, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
(By the way Redux of Chris_M, I really did enjoy your reply post. It was good reading and if I did not need sleep, I would continue what is already an enjoyable debate.)
by ChaunceyGardiner
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A distant relative of mine played Abraham Lincoln in "Happy Gilmore". So I got that going for me. Which is nice.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST
I hope people realize the book this film is based on is a fraudulent account of Abe written by an admitted plagiarist
by RobertSieg
Seriously, "Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln" is so rife with error, it's not even funny. I hope the film glosses over that stuff, but it's not likely. http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo98.html
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Sept. 11, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST
"Live Google Hangout" Is pharse aim squarely at shitheads
by BoRock_A_Boomer
Come and hangout!
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Sept. 11, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST
Pretty sure its Joseph Gordon-Levitt doing the voice over with a Southern accent...
by TopHat
...he's doing the Google thing with Spielberg afterwards.
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Bit tired of these teaser trailer trailers -Just release the darn thing!. That voice i assume belongs to David Oyelowo; probably the closing monologue. It does have similarities to Levitt's, but who knows - could end up being, Sally Field; Mary todd was allegedly reported to have been abusive to Abe, and is said to have been suffering from bipolar disorder - wonder if you will highlight that, Mr. Spielberg? I'd pay to see Field drinking Day-Lewis' milkshake.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST
That was JGL narrating. And nice to see even the Liberals on this talkback being tamed by the presence of the great DDL playing the great Lincoln.
by CodeName
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I hope this does well so the sequels can introduce Bill and Ted..
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..and then I watched this trailer with the generic ping-ping TUG-AT-YOUR-HEARTSTRINGS piano music, and was reminded that I just re-watched 'Saving Private Ryan' for the first time in a decade and realized that it is mostly a terrible, heavy-handed slab of dumbed-down cheese that is only--and barely--made watchable by spasms of admittedly great action choreography. Spielberg doesn't make good movies anymore. He makes great set-pieces enclosed in terrible condescending schmaltz (I'm looking at you, AWESOME FERRY ATTACK SCENE in the otherwise stupid 'War of the Worlds').
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It's obvious it was Mackie. I thought that was resolved earlier?
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And this movie is made by a Jew. COINCIDENCE?????
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Ledger's Joker was the only cbm role that made him take notice of the genre. And he DID take notice. If he goes for anything it will be the other iconic DC villain.
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BIG difference.
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Doesn't sound unrecognizable at all. I think too many people have gotten used to his Bill the Butcher and Daniel Plainview accents.
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No it's not DDL. While was joking about Mackie I can assure you it's not DDL I don't need to listen to an actual interview with him or do my best to force "I drank your milkshake!" out of my mind to know that it's simply not him It's David Oyelowo who is the soldier walking away in the clip. I'm sure he's not saying it in that scene but it doesn't change the fact that he's the one reciting the words in his best american accent
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Sept. 11, 2012, 2:58 a.m. CST
Jesus Fucking Christ, it's clearly the african american soldier quoting Lincoln. How isn't everybody seeing this?
by RedJester
Is it THAT hard to pay attention to a five second trailer??
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THANK YOU! bunch of big ole dummies
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Sept. 11, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST
The trailer they should have used, and with a more authentic voice ...
by E. D.
It's not like we don't know what real civil war veterans looked and sounded like (many lived well into the WW II era). And Lincoln's voice was known to be somewhat high pitched, and he was said by eyewitnesses to be able to easily speak to large crowds with clarity and force wihtout undue strain. His voice naturally carried well. There are no recording of Lincoln's voice since he died 12 years before Edison invented the ability to record sounds. Watch this video, and see if it doesn't hit you harder than any trailer could: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgLUmiRLqW8 It is from the Echoes of the Blue and Grey DVD, and about 2/3 in Harry E. Humphrey recites the first part of the Gettysburg Address recorded in 1913. Remember that voices back in 1863 sounded different than actors today usually immitate. Same goes for most anyone from back then, including freed slaves. The earliest wax recordings from the late 1800s all prove this. The voice on the teaser trailer is just too "modern" to me.
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...where he fights zombies? Just sayin'
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Yes you are right, the black soldier seen walking away from Lincoln, is the voice you hear in the trailer.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST
It could well be DDL's voice. He's good at changing it. Besides, who else would say those words?
by jawsfan
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Truly. Didn't know there were so many dumb fucks on here. First, why is there an argument? That's not DDL. Second, Lincoln was a liberal in every sense of the word.
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Anyone who could read a newspaper, shitbird. Die. You fail at life.
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ALWAYS going to suck IMO
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Wouldn't it be great if Lilcoln sounded like Bane?
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You leave too often
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My God. People here are brain damaged. You see the bloody soldier's damn lips move as he is speaking. It is not Jason Gordon Levitt or Daniel Day Lewis. Unreal. a) it sounds nothing like either of them, b) you see another man actually fucking speaking, and still, people are confused.
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This isn't even the first teaser trailer, and already the haters are out. You people know this is just a lead-up to the actual trailer, right? Fuck you, really. You will hate this film, no matter what, because you are sad, sorry people who were treated like shit by your parents growing up, and now you want to hate everything that is good in the world. Please go swallow glass and kill yourselves. I will definitely not be reading anything this site when this movie comes out, id like to maintain a positive attitude going into the theater.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
Seriously, how fucking retarded are you if you can't see the black soldier is the one speaking?
by nephilim138
fucking a
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Oh yeah.... it would have been such a better movie if Lincoln just sounded like one of the chipmunks.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST
Oh yea - it would have been such a better movie if Lincoln sounded like one of the chipmunks.
by KCC
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Thank you...I was sitting on the edge of my seat anticipating when the first use of the word "neocon" would appear. You didn't let me down. :) In the words of one of my favorite movies (and I direct this at the whole Internet, not you personally ultimarex, since I don't know you): "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Neocon is one of the most overused and least understood words on the Internet today. I'd be curious, ultimarex, how you define it.
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...but he's not saying the lines of the trailer. It just happens to be a clip where he's talking.
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Actually sounds like Alan Silvestri to me. Very similar to "Cast Away."
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Now that's the movie I wanna see. Tell the story of the Dr. that helped Booth after he killed Lincoln and popularized the phrase "Your named is Mudd".
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Sept. 11, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST
That is not a black mans voice. Doesnt quite as visually "pop" as his other movies.
by whatevillurks
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Sept. 11, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
i hate it when the trailer for the trailer gives away the whole trailer
by TheBaxter
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Go back and listen to him in Rise of the Planet of the Apes. It's him in the shot. It's his voice. Case closed.
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There are two flavors, "master" and "co-op". "master" neocon's are those who know and follow Leo Strauss' BS thinking about finding or even creating "evil" to "fight". Some actually drink the kool-aid and believe it. Some don't but drink the kool-aid anyway for their own purposes. "co-op" neocon's are those who have never even heard of Leo Strauss and so "know" the "evil" is "real". They may even create ACTUAL evil by demonizing others to the point where they actually become the people warned against. There were proper neoconservatives back in the day (who came from the left funnily enough) but after Strauss neocons is all that's... Left. Hm, maybe there's a movie in that...
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
That doesn't sound at all like DDL...but at any rate, nobody has a recording of Lincoln's actual voice...
by wcolbert
So it's all guesswork, really. Many historical figures, like Teddy Roosevelt, who were recorded in the early days of voice and video recordings...had surprisingly high pitched voices given what you'd expect to come out of a man of their stature (there's a few recordings of Roosevelt from the earliest 1900's where I almost had to laugh the first time I heard them)...of course this wasn't the highest quality audio equipment, naturally, so the pitch may be off a bit. I do find it a little hard to believe that a man standing over 6'4" and of such a gnarled and rugged exterior could have a voice THAT high pitched. Then again............look at Conan O'Brien. I always heard it in my head as a somewhat deep, slightly raspy, thick-lipped sort of speech, the way Lincoln spoke. I guess we'll never know for sure.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
And yeah. That's definitely not the accent Lincoln would have had - I think it's the black man quoting him
by wcolbert
This movie is going to be something else. On another note - anyone else notice that Lincoln in the over-the-shoulder shot appears to be a giant in comparison to the soldier? I mean, I know he was a fairly tall man - especially for his day, when the average man would have been barely 5'5", so nearly a foot taller ...but in that shot the other man seems like he's at least a good 2 feet shorter. I dont know, it could just be that he's standing on something. I'm not complaining - I'm just wondering if they'll use camera angles to establish his height vs the other actors - I'm not sure how tall DDL is, but I'm thinking not as tall as Lincoln, and then there's the fact that the average man is now taller than he used to be in the 1860's (anyone with a house built in that time period knows this - most doorways are barely 6' tall and sometimes more like 5'10", and if you are remotely tall, you have to duck to go through them).....so the height gap has to be even greater. A 6'4" man is tall now - he'd be pretty huge in 1860. Or maybe he hired shorter supporting actors, or a combination - much as they did with LOTR (though of course not shrinking people down to that extreme).
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST
UltimaRex, I think that movie is called "The Mist," or "The Crucible" if you like.
by ChaunceyGardiner
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Says right there he's one of the Google Hangouters. On a side note, I want that guy for the Jeff Buckley biopic that will probably never happen.
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...it's a damn peculiar audio mix. Maybe a special one for the trailer only. I'll be very interested to see this scene in the flick--I still say even if it's the same actor, the audio doesn't match the clip.
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Heard Kayne West say it in the Civil War telethon of 1861.
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I expected. I thought he and Kaminski might go for a washed-out and desaturated look. I think one of the trickiest and most difficult things with this film is what look to give it. It has to seem 'old' like a period piece, yet real, etc. We'll see with the full trailer, but it looks like they struck the right balance.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
codename, your idea of a liberal/conservative dichotomy is only valid for the last 10-20 years or so. Don't try to inject anachronistic labels into 19th century history
by kidicarus
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
These Google-plus pricks can claim exclusive all they want...
by Logan_1973
It'll be on YouTube faster than you can say emancipation proclamation. Besides that, that teaser sold me. Daniel Day Lewis acts better with the back of his head than most of these Hollywood chumps do with their entire bodies.
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It is so clear...when he turns away from Lincoln listen to the audio change...he is clearly walking away.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
If you still think it's JGL or DDL, go to 0:16 and use your eyes
by AlibyebyeEssmob
The man is talking as he walks away, his lips match the speech, and the mix changes as he walks away. My good fucking God.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
I hope this movie has a scene where Lincoln looks 150 years into the future, sees how rampant racism (not just toward blacks, but everyone, including people of European descent) and facepalms.
by wcolbert
Oscar winning moment right there. Think it is still only directed at dark skinned people? Please. I was attacked by groups of 7-8 (black by the way) guys simply for walking home from the store and being lighter skinned. Twice. Within one year. In the middle of America. Directing enmity at someone, regardless of their skin color, is a losing battle - you're not ever going to accomplish ANYTHING by it. All it will do it spark more hatred toward you and your ethnic group, and the cycle continues ad infinitum. And no, you aren't excused from it just because the person you are attacking is white and you feel they "deserve it". My ancestors didn't even move to America until the 1950's - my mother was the first generation born here - and the only ancestors I had in this country at that time were Native Americans who were a bit too busy being slaughtered and quartered off onto reservations themselves. The ones in Europe were busy being raped and killed by the Russians. Can't tell you how many times I've heard that excuse - "Well you owe us 'cuz your ancestors were white and they were slave owners"...uh...no. Not even close. Not even a little bit. In fact, if you go back a ways, my ancestors have plenty of history being enslaved by invaders from the east (be they mongols or russians - there's a reason we have a small portion Mongolian in the family tree). People need to get over the idea that people OWE them for the plights of their ancestors simply because they are of a similar skin tone. You aren't related to someone or like someone simply because you are also lighter skinned. And it's a foolish game to play, assuming someone's ethnic identity by the way they appear on the outside. You'd never guess I'm 1/8th Native American or part Asian, by looking at me, yet any gene mapping will prove as much. Hell, Morgan Freeman has a white ancestor. Who was a slave owner. MOST African Americans are part caucasian because of that era - why do you think most African immigrants are darker skinned than their counterparts who've had family here longer than 150 years? ANYWAY...point is...hatred and retribution are cyclical. Trying to get "back" at someone, particularly decades or centuries later, makes no sense, and only serves to paint you as a target for more racially based hatred. Which is why I've been attacked simply for being white and walking down the street- but I will hold no ill will toward the fools who did it. I forgive them - because they do not know any better. They've been raised into this cycle of hatred. And only letting it go will finally rid ourselves of all of this needless animosity. Connect with people different than you are. Connect to different cultures and colors. It will open your eyes to the truth of the world, and make you realize how truly stupidly people are behaving. I spent the last year dating a girl from China - and I realized in that year how many veiled racist comments are so often directed at East Asian people (or their language) which I simply didn't pay attention to. Now, it pisses me off to hear it, and I'll point out someone's ignorance when I catch them doing it. I hated it before, but you tend to pick up on it more so when you spend time immersed in that culture and learning more about a history, language, and culture that is removed from what you are accustomed to.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
I could tell it was a black man's voice as soon as I heard it, and then you can clearly SEE him speaking the lines. Are some of you totally fucking stupid?
by Ironhelix
Yes, you are.
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Sorry for the uber long rant. While we're on the topic of Lincoln and racially motivated travesties, I thought it apropos. As I said. An act of hatred toward someone based on their color or any other difference...begets only more of the same toward you, and an endless cycle ensues. As Michael Clarke Duncan's John Coffey character said in the Green Mile..."mostly I'm tired of people just being ugly to each other".... This is why Lincoln's story, and in particular the story of the slaves and those who dehumanized them, and those who fought to free them, black and white both, is still so relevant 150 years later. Because that ugliness hasn't gone away. It's only festered, and grew into new, more subtle forms...but it's still there. And ignoring it isn't going to make it go away. Only finally seeing one another as human beings - the same species - rather than focusing on such ridiculous differences as culture and pigmentation...is going to do that.
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This clearly is not Daniel Day-Lewis's voice. Unless he's doing a terrific impersonation of a young black guy. (He IS a pretty good actor.)
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Russell will only need to lose about 15 lbs.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
I thought that Civil War would never end. Now to soothe...
by Brian Hopper
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I double dog dare Spielberg to start the film like that...
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The Lincoln from "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure"
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Sept. 11, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
kidicarus - true, but I mean if he could see all that has transpired since - and caveman469 - YES! Well...kinda.
by wcolbert
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Sept. 11, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
At battlefield, Lincoln emerges from general's tent and
by Brian Hopper
a negro soldier quotes back the Gettysburg Address to him. Hmm... what do we call that? Improbable. And too 'on the nose.' Starting to worry that (as with most movies) the script might not be up to the quality of the rest of the production. But reserving judgment. (Having watched this a few times, that is definitely the voice of the black soldier in the trailer, not DDL or JGL.)
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Are not really associated much with malls, Katy Perry, Jamba Juice. I've never seen anyone in their 20s even, really, let alone teenagers. I've seen a ton of people use it for business. I've used it to chat with old friends. It's not Fakebook. It's not Twitter. The two younger relatives I've seen try it got bored with it fast and jumped ship. Then again.. I don't use it as much anymore because I've been too busy. Maybe it's changed in the last 2 months? Most likely not.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
Was really looking forward to this movie, but they got off on the wrong foot with a teaser for a trailer.
by Buck Turgidson
Come on.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
I used to think that Spielberg could do no wrong. The past tense is deliberate.
by albert comin
Nowdays i have so such certainties. Seeing is believing.
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so who is playing booth?? i still can't find out who.
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If the movie begins with Lincoln getting shot and flashes back to four years prior to commence the film (a very real possibility), I think I'll shoot myself. Of course, if he hadn't been shot the equivalency would have been Lincoln on his death-bed, "let me tell you the story of my life. It all started in..." before flashing back to however many years ago.
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He. Me so funny
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Unfortunately we have no recordings of Lincoln, which sucks, because he was considered one of the greatest orators of all time. Some contemporaries described his voice as high-pitched, yet I wouldn't picture that as meaning he sounded like Mickey Mouse. He was a large man, and his voice probably seemed high to some who expected a low, gravely sound. His voice was also said to carry very far, before the days of microphones and such. Day-Lewis probably doesn't want the audience to be distracted by attempting an over-the-top affectation for the voice. I'd say that is wise. Looking forward to this movie.
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I wouldn't expect DDL and Spielberg to go with the extremes of what historians say his voice might have sounded like (accent/high pitched voice) and rather meet the audiences expectations and what might have been factually accurate somewhere in the middle. A Ross Perot'd Lincoln would go down in infamy.
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I agree with you. I thought I also heard a bit of a southern tinge to his speech, which would make sense because he was born and raised in Kentucky and spent time working on the Mississippi. Some are suggesting that it is not Day-Lewis's voice in the trailer. Maybe so. But the last sentence sounded like him.
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You know what they say about the size of a man's top hat, don't you, bitch?
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Is Patrick Star the Vice President?
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The narration in the trailer IS the African American soldier, there is no question regarding that. I was basing my agreement more so on varying historians assumptions, eyewitnesses accounts, etc.
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I didn't think it sounded like DDL at the start, but the man is a great actor, after all. We also have to remember that American accents, regional ones, 150 years ago, were not exactly the same as now.
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ViggoM. as Dr. Strange in Thor 2 ????
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Sept. 11, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
Nice Marmot- Remember when AICN used to cover such cool news? I do, barely, but I do...
by RedJester
Now I have to go to Collider for all of my movie news. All this site offers now is the forum itself.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST
A teaser for the teaser trailer for the trailer for the movie.
by PorkChopXpress
Come on. You've got the Wachowskis doing an interview to tease the teaser of the trailer or the movie, a teaser for the Lincoln teaser trailer for the full length trailer for the feature...when is it going to end?!
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Sept. 11, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
Who's Voice is it, let's revisit the arguments shall we?
by Mel Gibsteinberg
This debate has been hilarious to read through, so many folks getting pissed off, and a majority of them are wrong. First there are those who claimed that all here who didn't agree with them that it was the black soldier's voice, were "MORONS, THEY SHOULD DIE ALREADY!" What were their reasons for thinking it was the soldier? Because they said they saw the soldier speaking, and because the voice sounded "black." But as most have pointed out here, though that soldier may be speaking in the clip, he is not speaking the actual lines, so there goes that argument. As to the "black" sound, I think what they are reacting to is the slight southern tinge to the accent, which, strictly speaking makes it no more black than any other southern influenced voice, but people like to assume things. Makes em feel comfortable. Then there are those who say it must be JGL, because he is hosting the Google Chat event, or Google Live, or whatever. OKaaaaayyy. Not sure how the two are connected. The trailer is the trailer, that's it. The fact that JGL was grabbed to be a part of the event, may just be that he was the actor from the film willing to engage with the fans in this way, nothing more. Lastly, there are those who are sure that it can not be DDLs voice, because they are supreme experts on all things DDL. Go back and look at his movies, that guy is true genius when it comes to acting, he throws himself into the roles. His voice in Last of the Mohicans is very different from Bill the Butcher, or Daniel Plainview. Gee, he doesn't stumble and slur so it can't be DDL cause that's how he spoke in My Left Foot. At the end of the day, none of these arguments are compelling for or against the voice being DDL, other than I don't see how you can say for sure it isn't DDL, and since he would be the most likely choice to be speaking those lines, its quite possible its him. Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, although I relish more of the "I HATE YOU YOU CRAZY CUNT, YOU ARE SOOOOO WRONG!" comments as they are so much fun to watch them huff and puff and get all angry over silly things.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
Actually redjester, there are plenty of questions to that.
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Care to answer those questions?
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Although in an interview, Spielberg said there wouldn't be any actual war scenes in the movie. Guess he changed his mind.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
judging by the logo this is about the car, not the president
by nametaken
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Sept. 11, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
Is it the same voice from the Disney robopresidents thing?
by clancy021061
Stands up with a load in his pants. Crackling tape sounds, mouth moves, voice comes out a second later out of cue. Mormon tabernacle choir starts sings glory glory. It ends. Some guy knocks you over because he has to take a shit.
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You guys judge movies by way of the dumbest shit.
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DDL's acting skills don't stop at his vocal chords. It sounds like him, affecting what might have been Lincoln's voice and reciting one of the president's most famous quotes. The voice does NOT sound like David Oyelowo. Also, the fact that his character in the trailer is mouthing some words doesn't mean that the voice-over is his -- obviously. As if he's going to utter this heavy speech and finish it up as he walks away from the commander-in-chief.
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Thank god, I was afraid Spielberg would go into 'serious drama 1.85:1' mode. Spielberg was born to make 2.35:1 movies.
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Sept. 11, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
i was always thought that lincoln would've sounded like sean connery. think about it... it makes sence
by patrick cruz
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Sept. 11, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST
@ pretentious-rr-douchebag RE: Anyone who could read a paper
by entrainer
And how many people could read a newspaper? Not a large percentage by any means. Literacy rate was low during that period of time.
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It's Mel Blanc
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Sept. 11, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
I expect Day-Lewis' voice to sound eerily similar to Waterston's take on the voice of Lincoln.
by RedJester
Waterston, to me, was thus far the definitive Lincoln.
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Yes, Lincoln's contemporaries described him as having a higher pitched voice than average, but the few that commented upon it say that it was not distracting. In fact, it was a penetrating voice that could easily be heard at the rear of crowds. In the Lincoln-Douglas debates, the deep-voiced Douglas could scarcely be heard at the back of the huge crowds, but there was no problem hearing Lincoln. I just hope Lewis uses his normal voice, and does not try to apply extra gravitas by making Lincoln's voice deep and majestic sounding.
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and all you dumb fucks get free airfare and tickets. IT'S NOT DDL. This is either a mass delusion or a brilliantly orchestrated mass troll.
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Wrong. Literacy sucked in the south, but Lincoln wasn't in the south during this scene. Blacks were allowed to learn how to read in the North. It was illegal for them to learn how as slaves in the South. Not much has changed. All the dumb fucks still live below Maryland. Why do you think most of those states are red?
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As with "War Horse", "Lincoln" was shot in Super 35 with spherical lenses, which means the CinemaScope aspect ratio was achieved by masking the image in post (and losing 25% vertical resolution). True CinemaScope or 2.35:1/2.40:1 requires anamorphic lenses and image de-squeezing in post (no resolution loss), which is how "Sugarland Express", "Jaws", "Close Ecounters of the Third Kind", "1941" and the "Indiana Jones" films were shot. "Super 8" and "Looper" are more recent anamorphic-lensed films, and shot on celluloid, too. Masked Super 35mm is called 'poor man's 'scope' in the industry. It's a shame "War Horse" and "Lincoln" are not true 'scope movies as Spielberg clearly felt the stories were better told with a wider canvas. Spielberg is a fast shooter, and anamorphic lenses do slow you down a bit, though not enough for it to be an issue for a director who commands the resources Spielberg does. And anamorphic lenses and the technical idiosyncrasies of the format means that image resolution is far superior to Super 35mm. Janus Kaminski either has a preference for spherical lenses (Zeiss) or an aversion to anamorphic lenses: "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" has all the hallmarks of a film reluctantly shot in anamorphic as the unique lens artifacts have been minimised, whereas the artifacts are lovingly embraced in the "Indiana Jones" films. Those artifacts would have given "Lincoln" a more timeless, 'big screen' veneer, which would have been entirely appropriate. As I said, a shame.
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I know, man. That's why I'm trying to educate the them liberals. I hate the republicans, too. I'm more of an independent, but... sometimes them dumb elephants have more common sense. Get it? But like you, I agree that both parties sold the world to the devil.
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I know. We can't feed the whole entire ocean to society yet.
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Sept. 12, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST
Conservatives will come out of the wood works to besmirch this film...
by ganymede3010
I can't wait to read, see, and hear their outlandish comments about how he was the truly the evil one, not the perpetual torturing slave masters and their misguided supporters.
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"It's huge".
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craziest thread i've ever seen. weird thing is though, posters are saying the same thing on Huffington Post's article about it. It's obvious to me it's not DDL. Shitty speakers and watching the trailer on a phone with a tiny screen are the only explanations i can think of to think otherwise--that and inbreeding.
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Sept. 12, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST
who else expected it to sound like lincoln from bill and teds excellent adventure
by Rakesh Patel
party on dudeS!
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Sept. 12, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
Why do Yanks celebrate such an Democratically bankrupt president?
by borisdoris
States and their populations wanted to leave a union, as was their right and yet this man's side took the country into an abyss. Sweeping aside the wishes of the secetion states and impossing their own rules on them. That's fascism. Then again never saw how the insurgents at the Alamo in someone elses country causing death were seen as heroes. Beats me. Then again I don't plead allegiance to the flag like those kiddies in their indoctrination phase soaybe I just misunderstand things. ; )
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Sept. 12, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
borisdoris as a Yankee, I wish that Lincoln had let the South secede
by SergeantStedenko
In fact, I support Texas, Alaska and any other redneck backward Red State from currently seceding if they wish. Good riddance! Had the South succeeded in seceding from the Union, slavery would have eventually ended anyway and all of the ignorant conservative dupes and their greedy superstitious masters could have lived there and us Blue-blooded Americans could have had the North to ourselves without the recessives holding us back. God only knows how much further we would have progressed and evolved.
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