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A Director's Cut Of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES?
Nordling here.
Don't think I'm not aware of the irony of posting a news story based off a Nuke The Fridge link, but there it is: according to sources in contact with the website, Christopher Nolan may well be planning a Director's Cut for the Blu-Ray release. Who their sources are I have no idea, but it actually wouldn't be unprecedented - costume designer Lindy Hemming told GQ recently that there was a whole sequence on Bane's origin that was filmed but not used in the movie. In addition, Nuke The Fridge states that there are new scenes with Ra's Al Ghul (Liam Neeson) that were filmed as well. They state that the total scenes would add another thirty minutes to an already pretty long movie.
Nolan isn't known for Director's Cuts. From what I understand he has final edit on his movies, and there's rarely even deleted scenes on the video releases. But for THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, it could be possible - some of the scenes in the third act seem awfully truncated, even through the bloat, and Nolan might have edited his movie in a way to keep it under three hours. I still consider this unlikely - Nolan is fairly meticulous when it comes to his movies, and I doubt he'd throw that out for THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.
But, the fact is that there are scenes that didn't make the theatrical edit. Whether or not Nolan thinks that they would add to a Director's Cut obviously remains to be seen, but they are out there. Pacing is essential to Nolan and how his movies work, and it's possible that either he didn't want to muck up the theatrical release with these scenes, or that they just didn't work in the scheme of things. Obviously this is all rumor and conjecture, so we'll see.
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to add to make the day to night transition make any sense
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
Also Nolan should re work the scenes with Bruce returning to Gotham
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
some scenes in that 10-15 minute section seemed to be out of order
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
I call bullshit on this, but I hope I'm wrong. Give me a fucking six hour cut.
by Stuntcock Mike
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Only thing wrong with the Dark Knight Rises was that there were pages missing.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
or it could just be 30 minutes of Batman dousing the Brooklyn bridge in gasoline
by emu47
And then reinforcing the ice so they wouldn't fall when Gordon lights it on fire.
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thats all i want.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
Could be bullshit. But yeah, extended cut may iron out the odd storyline kink.
by Gareth Holton
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
Also, now that this *new* cut of Avengers came out, i want a new Blu Ray cut.
by Gareth Holton
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
30 minute fuck scene with Marion "Milk Udders" Cotillard? I'LL TAKE IT!!!
by Stuntcock Mike
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More Bane! More Ra's Al Ghul more Batman... oh wait. Fuck off.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST
but, hang on... Given that like the first 2/3's of the movie is a misdirect meaning you to think the child who escaped the prison is Bane...
by TheSeeker7
Wouldn't an extended whole sequence of his real origin totally go against that? And, okay but if it's meant to come after the reveal, that seems to be putting an awful lot of fat in a third act, where you'd want pacing to be even quicker.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
How About An Explanation as to Why He Felt He Had to Hang Up His Tights And How His injuries Happened
by ass clown
He seemed okay at the end of TDK. Did that fall with Two-Face injure him, I mean it did kill Dent, or was there something else? Maybe throw in that one line piece of dialogue about the Joker being the sole inmate at Arkham and cut out Cillian Murphy's ridiculous court scenes from the movie. I liked TDKR but the movie is flawed.
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It's the same issue I had with Tron: Legacy...where you have this huge populated (and very anonymous) area, but somehow the few key characters keep popping into each other by coincidence or 'gut feeling'. That's all I wanted to say about that.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST
confirmed. here's the list of directors cut additions (spoilers!)
by threetoesoffury
* Bane's voice will be returned to original recording, done entirely by gilbert gottfried. * additional scenes delving into Commissioner Gordon's bondage and Golden Girls fetishes. * Joseph Gordon Levit digitally removed. Replaced with Carrot Top. * Adam West cameo during final scene where batwing flies into harbor. He looks up and says "Its true...some days you just CANT get rid of a bomb". * Batman pummels Lucious Fox within inches of death for his ridiculous grandstanding about evesdropping on gotham in previous flick. * Two Words: shark repellent. * Batman runs by parkbench...3 guys reading news papers. papers drop to reveal cameo's by Michael Keaton, George Clooney, and Val Kilmer. They shrug and go back to reading. * camera pulls back in final cafe shot to show photo-realistic CGI ledger joker pull gun and shoot Selena at point blank range. He giggles and says "call me curiosity because i killed...well...you know"..winks to camera. Credits.
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...and that mistake being reporting on a rumor that we all know will turn out to be bullshit. Nolan is done with this film, there will be no "directors cut".
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With more Ledger related content (interviews with him, how his death affected everything, etc.)
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I'd take a correction on Bane's voice over any additional footage.
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Nordling, that's exactly why TDKR absolutely DIDNT work, at least not for me. The pacing is awful. Pacing is not an exact science, of course, but when a film DOESNT have it, logic and suspense goes out the window. TDKR was sorely lacking in both.
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Would explain the odd pacing, but still a poor decision to release it that way if it's true.
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Thanks! That was great. After seeing the preview for Gilbert Gottfried's reading of 'Fifty Shades of Grey' I'm so excited, I'm going to put my name on the waiting list for a copy TODAY!
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Just the 3' of Batman & Bane fighting will suffice for me...thanks Nolan!
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Brilliant. My hat (if I wore one) is off to you, sir!
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Gordon cheets and has a beer.
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...and go back and cut about 20 mins from TDK while's he is at it! Jebus! TDKR was way toooo long. It can't be true.
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Saruman's fate was changed dramatically from the theatrical editon to the extended. If Nolan has something more to show us with Bane, especially his demise, I say bring it.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST
30 more minutes of Hathaways hot leather ass, please
by kstewandthecuntsman
What a whore. Love it.
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I don't get it?
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Im sorry but it was and if you cant tell just blame cognitive dissonance . Now hear me out,when superman returns came out i was sooo excited that i was at the first midnight show and everything i saw was fucking awsome that rescue of lois in that space shuttle thing? awsome. the scene that had him walking up to that gattling gun? fantastic!!! the bullet in the eye? oh my god i jizzed in my pants. The part where he did the action comics pose? i was openly whackin it in the theatre!! and the ending where normal mortals were trying to save his life in a human hospital? I was humping my chair with fanboy approval!!! So i couldnt understand way some reviews were dissing it. "those guys are just trolls" i thought. but then it came out on dvd and when i bought it home and started watching it i found myself skipping to all those cool scences but noticing a lot of stuff that i didnt like that my mind rejected in the theatre, like how lois having a kid and a husband was fucking stupid,lex luther is still doing land schemes? And why is supes so fucking emo? and a fucking stalker?....sick. I learned that just because a movie has a few "good scenes" that doesnt make a good film as a whole and a lot of people will learn this lesson when this thing hits b-ray.And keep the venom and flames to yourself im not making fun of anyone or calling anyone a moron. oh and dont make fun of my spelling or grammer im typing this with a ps3 controller, for gods sake show some pity....
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Sept. 5, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
Nolan should realize the leadup to the death of the Mayor was too rushed.
by Dilox Esp
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DON'T READ if you don't want a spoiler... 5 4 3 2 1 OK Any chance there would be any other scenes with Robin getting into character? Dark Winging it, maybe?
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Sept. 5, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST
Anthony Garcia's death was too rushed. Nolan should use more of the stadium office shots. ; )
by Dilox Esp
Man that took so long to shoot, too. But the final edit of Anthony onscreen was too brief onscreen.
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Tomas Lennon said there was more of his scene shot. They cut a line where he says Wayne should take up drinking because his liver is the only healthy part of his body.
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Whoo hoo, kid! You're all clear! Now blow this thing and let's go home!
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I'd be down with extensions of all three films.
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Because the ending they had seemed so forced. It seemed like the whole movie was dark and then this happy ending comes along. I feel the ending could be changed
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Sept. 5, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST
Puh-leeese. Nothing will save this film. And lol at emu47.
by CodeName
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No thanks.
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I think the film would benefit from a longer cut. I enjoy the character development in series like The Wire and it felt like the isolation of Gotham was rushed... It should have felt longer, like 6 months really passed.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
extended scene during wall street fight where everyone breaks for the catered shawarma buffet.
by vulturess
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It was unfathomable that Nolan would drop the ball, but Christ almighty, it happened. I hated nearly every minute. My rankings... The Greats 1. The Dark Knight 2. Batman '89 3. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm 4. Batman Begins The Disappointments 5. Batman Returns 6. The Dark Knight Rises The Failures 7. Batman '66 8. Batman Forever 9. Batman and Robin
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BATMAN! That guy in the movie is not the Batman I know, doing stupid things, not being scary, fighting in broad daylight, letting Catwoman make him a bitch. This movie was a turd-soaked cock in our eyes.
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If both Batman and Bond prove to be disappointments, I'm done with the whole conceit of anticipation.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
SERIOUSLY? IF ANYTHING, TRY CUTTING SOME OF THE FAT, PLEASE.
by Astronut
FIRST. NOLAN. FAIL. EVER. The film is bloated. It drags. And I say this as a HU-UUUUUUGE fan of BB and TDK. I honestly believe Nolan ran out of gas during this production. I really do. I respect him, I love what he has done, I love Inception, my god the man is an innovator not a follower. BUT. TDKR is flawed in that it tries to be epic and rarely succeeds. IMO. Sure, it has its moments, no doubt, you guys. But really there are too many "auto-pilot" scenes in the film. Just.......... kind of cruising through, going through the motions. And to make matters WORSE - - - I would say that 75% of the MAIN, BACK-BREAKER BANE VS. BATMAN FIGHT was choreographed extremely poorly. We were hardly shown any true emotion, pain, suffering in Batman's face. Rarely a close-up of seeing Batman's pain as he was being beaten down, as he was being thrashed into the concrete. We should have seen Bane's fist pummel him - UP CLOSE - and we should have seen the look of ABSOLUTE PAIN AND DEFEAT on Batman's FACE. We never got that because Nolan rarely choreographs his fight sequences well. BIG disappointment, this film. HUGE disappointment in my book.
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I have to imagine this was posted to help further the amount of people who think that those hacks are a site full of fucktards when it proves false.
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You are a rare Nolan fan who can admit his faults. This, I applaud you for.
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What new Avengers cut?
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Rises has flaws but I don't care, the movie was fun to me. Loved the Scarecrow court scene, death or exile, death? death by exile! Rises works really well after watching Begins and The Dark Knight again. My only problem with Rises is I knew it was Talia Al Ghul all along, and I figure a nuclear bomb 6 miles out would still cause radiation problems, I mean the water and or a nice wind could bring some radiation towards Gotham, could be used to explain supernatural elements being brought in if they continued a sequel in this Nolan universe. I guess it wasn't a typical nuke? Still loved Rises, just wondering about any radiation from the bomb. Maybe an extended cut with extra hours on end of Bruce Wayne hitching a ride on a shipping barge back to Gotham to appease the plot hole people. Show him walk a few miles, hitch a ride, jump on a barge and sit on it for hours on end back to Pittsburg
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The fact that some people have claimed otherwise suggests they should stick to watching Kung Fu flicks replete with wire work because that fight was raw, nasty and brutal. Bane dismantles Bruce piece- by-piece and the beating is both methodical and (mostly) gruesomely realistic. Bruce at one point practically screams in frustration at his inability to defeat his adversary and then proceeds to resort to theatricality and the darkness in hopes of throwing off his relentless attacker, all to no avail. The beating he receives makes me cringe every time I watch it, especially when we see the close-up of Bane’s fist pummeling Bruce’s mask to a dented pulp that practically becomes fused to his face, not to mention the iconic backbreaker moment. That fight isn’t flashy Hollywood choreography but rather a very grim ballet of fists and brutality.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
IF THE "RADIATION" ASPECT WAS MY BIGGEST COMPLAINT I WOULD BE T - H - R - I - L - L - E - D !!!!!!!!
by Astronut
Some things - again, this is my opinion here - but some things should be sort of "accepted." Even if they are a bit ridiculous. Ridiclous things in a Nolan Batman film? Nawwww. How about dropping precisely into the exact window from a quarter mile away, to crash through and take out, systematically, about a dozen guys with firearms? To ME, that's just as implausible as a nuke going off "six miles out" and "not hurting anyone." There are other examples but I don;t feel up to typing them all out. There are SHIT LOADS of examples of RIDICULOUS THINGS in the films. These are films about a man gliding throught the air dressed up like a bat, never once taking a gunshot to the FACE, which would END his shit right then and there. It's all ridiculous. Come on. No, for ME, the BIG, BIG, BI-IIIIIIIIIG PROBLEMS arise when you drag out sequences. When the pacing is off. When the story drags, when there are too many unimportant things happening. THAT is what happened here. TOO MNY UNIMPORTANT THINGS WERE BEING GIVEN FAR TOO MUCH SCREEN TIME. I don't think I'm full of shit here. Think about it. This film is BLOATED. I'm done.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST
Wonder if they shot the scene of the Prison Warden forcing Bane to watch
by kabookieslap
his Mother's body eaten by sharks after they dump her body in the sea after a prisoner rapes her and kills her. Although, in the book Knightfall his mom is constantly raped in the cell and the Warden forces it to happen. but after she dies they take her body to the edge of the cliff of the prison grounds and drop her body into the sea. Sharks start to eat her and little Bane tries to turn away but the Warden holds his dead and forces him to watch sharks devour her body.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST
Will he cut an hour out of it and have the rest of it make sense?
by Raptor Jesus
That's the only cut I'm interested in. This was a bloated joke of a movie.
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I think the biggest reason for my disappointment is after following all the production news on AICN and other sites, I had a pretty clear idea of what was going to happen in this movie, from beginning to end. There were no surprises, and the plot really isn't very complicated. Basically the entire movie is in the trailer, and yet, it's overly long and filled with bland characters, uninspired writing, and compared to TDK, ho-hum action sequences. I think it's the worst of the 3. There were many moments where I thought, this movie is badass, but then it would start to drag again.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST
HOLY SHIT, creepythinmanlives - - - I HAVE BEEN POSTING ON THESE BOARDS FOR YEARS AND I HAVE DESPISED YOU AT TIMES, BUT WOW - - YOU REALLY SPELLED IT OUT HERE!
by Astronut
With the possible exception that I ** do ** feel the last 30 minutes or so were very good. Of all - - - - OF ALL the things you mentioned in your post - - - - I think the most accurate was the Bane "mask" thing. We got nothing, NOTHING with regard to this, except at the END of the FILM - - and even then what we got was pretty lame. Wow. You are so dead-on I can't believe it. WELL. SAID. (even if you are a creepy a-hole at times.)
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Movie was bladder buster long but felt rushed and not fleshed out .....
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST
His theatrical is his Director's Cut... what we could get is the Extended Edition....
by bubcus
sort of like the Lord of the Rings films. Where, in this case, Nolan just piles in what he feels like.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST
I never thought I'd say this 6 months ago but I liked ASM more than TDKR
by darthSaul666
Keeping most of Gotham's police force buried in a sewer pipe? Why didn't Bane just kill them? Hell they walked into a trap involving exposives... Bane's monolouging in front of city hall reminded me of Syndrome from the Incredibles... The bomb angle was just too hokey.. Why not just blow up the city... Not to mention the whole I must hurt you before I kill you angle is pretty cliche... Not to mention the villians never really had any real escape plan from their plot.. You would think after Gotham Bane & Talia would have more league of shadows business to do... Basically I'd never seen a bad Nolan film before. TDKR isn't the worse movie I've seen IMO but It was a huge letdown... I went into ASM with low expectations and came away more entertained.
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST
20th anniversary of batman the animated series. Fuck everything else. Arkham city is great too. But fuck all the bullshit i'll take prototype's powers
by UltraTron
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST
Enjoyed the shit out of prototype 2- what it's over so soon?! Still playing through again will all my powers at max.
by UltraTron
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST
Biggest problem is the conflicting bullshit that saddened the kids in the audience there to see batman. We thought
by UltraTron
he had just started fighting crime now he's old and used up. We thought he was dead but we're still establishing secondary characters like robin. It's just fuck the hell off. We wanted James fucking bond/Indy rollicking adventure serial batman. That's what it's supposed to be. Take it back to the fucking 40s now and make it like shadow. 70mil IMAX that blew me away in several scenes but overall I don't see where it's going except a reboot. How the fuck is batman supposed to stand back to back with superman if his cartilage is used up?! I enjoyed that he was old and used up but we're talking 3 movies from now you could have done that. The kids were just crying that batman was just all fucked
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST
They were looking at their dads and thinking. Batman is just like my dad. All used up and swollen like a bloated sausage stuck in a microwave until it's just about to burst
by UltraTron
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Sept. 5, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST
I will not buy it, unless they fix the stupid scenes. Like the cops running unarmed into Bane's men who have huge guns. Stupid.
by happybunni
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those ratings are spot on. i am a HUGE fan of nolan's all the way back to following and i'd say TDKR is hands-down his worst film. It was spectacular but utterly forgettable and shockingly sloppy for someone who normally runs such a tight ship. TDK stands alone!
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
"Batman is just like my dad. All used up and swollen like a bloated sausage..." JESUS CHRIST, ultratron.
by Astronut
WTF did he do to you, man? That's pretty harsh.
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Seemed like there was a lot missing from what was there and I hope theres more of BANES origin and RA-GHUL plus the ending seems like it was all chopped up.... A longer film would make DARK KNIGHT RISES so much better of a film. Seems like GOTHAM and the mayhem was cut small and more like a street riot than a town in chaos and anarchy...
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:16 a.m. CST
Cheap attempt to increase the box office $$$ they didn't make...film sucks anyways
by Punisherthunder
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST
The combined collective of children's dad sausage. Mister there's nothing and nobody gonna tell me that doesn't amount to a hill o beans.
by UltraTron
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SPOILER ALERT The triumphant end to the first act when we get "Oh boy, you are in for a show tonight!!" was the best scene of the movie. If you are gonna "break" Batman, it should have happened LONG BEFORE that. Once the hero begins his impossible return to the spotlight the movie should not step back and let him stumble again. Might be epic in a book, but doesn't work in a movie. This might be too pedestrian for Nolan but it's very Joseph Campbell: 1. Destroy Hero 2. Hero is finished 3. Time passes 4. Darkness rises 5. Hero realizes he must return one last time 6. His first haltings steps back 7. A major challenge puts his return in doubt 8. Against all odds he barely succeeds 9. Now triumphant he faces the true villain 10. Hero suddenly flush with renewed sense of mastery, his victory should be TOTAL but his death may be the cost
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
Do People really care about How Bruce got back into gotham?
by Phategod2
I mean really who cares, it's called editing for a reason.
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Seriously, when he focuses and rips something apart, it's far more entertaining than any of the official commentary or criticism here. And, as regards TDKR, he's dead right on every single count.
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It's "all intents and purposes." All intensive purposes isn't a thing. Just thought you'd like to know. And yes, that is seriously my only contribution to this conversation. Grammar douche out!
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If anything, they need to cut scenes out of that borefest of a jumbled movie.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST
And hey, Harry......where are your fuckin' movie picks
by thelordofhell
For cthulhu's sake, it's almost been a fucking month............Megaforce came out this week...........MEGAFORCE!!!!
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or something equally tarded.
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Late to the talkback party but I hope they add more Batman doing Batman shit... Both Bane and Batman were trained in martial arts awesomeness by the League of Shadows and all that happens when they fight is they fist-fight the shit out of each other... And Batman should be zip-lining, flying and smoke bombing the shit out of it. All he does is through some sparklers in the air to irritate Bane.
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Then another buddy comes, and he also chats about Batman movie. And so on and so on. Its sooooooo great.
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The people of Gotham reject the Joker's nihilism. Batman rewards them by taking on Dent's crimes, presiding over his redeemed city as its dark knight. (Nolan's message: Life sucks, but evil can be resisted.) THE END.
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Explain Batman's suckey fighting. I would love to hear your philosophy on that. Did Batman parry on time?
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"The Dark Knight Rises" is supposedly going to be running at 192 mins on the upcoming blu-ray, along with the 164 mins theatrical cut. The scenes will concentrate on Bane and his relationship with, Talia. Plus, scenes involving Liam Neeson. This is all speculation mind you. I always presumed that Nolan's final edits were his "Director's Cut's". They recently said this about, "The Avengers"...Now relegated to being a bunch of supplementary deleted scenes. We'll see come early December...
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but Nolan made this movie, so it's all good? There were many open spots during that 'cage' fight when Batman fought Bane in the second act. Nolan made it easy for bane to win. If I was Bats.. I'd strip off my 40 pounds of rubber and fought for my life to take off that breathing apparatus that Bane was wearing. It would have been the end before that long stupid Gotham third act if I was Batman.
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Because everything the Joker was able to pull off in TDK was TOTALLY plausible and believable.
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No, just tell me why there is stupid rubbery fighting.
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I liked TDKR a lot, but I'm not blind to its flaws. I feel like it would have worked better for me as two two-hour films with some of the details within the story fleshed out here and there. But if this release actually happens, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
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on top of a balcony in Year One. There were bats flying all around, and Batman was actually annoyed by this. At the same time, he was fending off two thugs and was doubting his and the little girl's existence as he was punching the mammal bats, as well as the thugs, while thinking about his death, while trying to balance on a balcony ledge. We never got this in Nolan's supposedly Batman Year One. I hope we get this exact same scene from someone else who cares. This is Batman, not someone who can't move his neck and talks like he smoked Cubans since he was five.
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I mentioned this before in an earlier thread but I personally thought that RISES had the feel of an extended edition. IMHO it would have been a better theatrical experience if it had been a wee bit shorter and more focused. Did we really need the scene of Matthew modine refusing to come out of his house. Did we really need the stuff with the orphans on the bridge? They're not bad sequences and they do add a little something to the big picture but I feel that they would have been better placed in an extended edition for home release. TDKR was the 3rd best batman movie, could potentially have played better if it had been just a little leaner and meaner.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST
TDKR has made more money than TDK so if it's so bad why do people keep going to see it? Maybe it's actually not as bad as the trolls say?
by cameron
It's a comic book movie about a billionaire that dresses up as a Bat - deal with it.
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Movies are about their endings. Memorable endings, especially in summer blockbusters, are an endangered species. TDKR had the best 3rd Act and Ending in Nolan's trilogy. This is why so many enjoyed it in spite of it's faults. TDKR has got it where it counts. No small feat. Hope Nolan resists making this extended cut. The movie barrels along just fine as is.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:20 a.m. CST
People who apologize for TDKR are simpletons. Let me hear your reasons. You guys are the reason why we never will get a real Batman movie. Hit me with what you got.
by CodeName
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...and he knows it.
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glance the post above you
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I glanced at it. It sucked. Don't take it personally, but you don't know Bats. Tell me, did you like how he physically handled Bane? If yes, then get into the details. I can't wait.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:42 a.m. CST
Fingers crossed... would definately buy that, but I reckon it's BS.
by Mark Jones
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST
Puhleasseee, the fight scenes in Captain America TFA was better than what I saw in TDKR
by Stalkeye
All I remember seeing is how Bats and Bane were trading punches as if it were a schoolyard fight. Where's the fight choreographer? This shit looked so unrehearsed and ad libbed. Snicerely Yours, A Martial Arts fan and sometimes practitioner.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST
Lol creepythinman makes a convincing argument
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Maybe this movie sucks even harder than I thought! And what was so great about the 3rd act? Batman gets his ass kicked, AGAIN? First his back broke, then he lets some bitch stab his ass? Catwoman has to save him with his own bike? What a pussy! Then he simply attaches the bomb to his plane and flies away with it, that was fucking cheesy! Then end of BB was better. At least it wasn't quite as terrible as Inception's 3rd act.
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You suck. Yes.
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WTF is your problem? There are no people who "apologize" for TDKR .... only people who liked it...and we are the majority (not that it matters really but I thought it might be worth pointing out). You are saying that it is not a real Batman movie and expect us to prove otherwise. How about you give us your reasons first. The burden of proof is on the accuser. So YOU hit US with what you've got ... then we'll talk. And his physical handling of Bane was true to the comics so again I don't know WTF you're talking about ....
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST
NO DIRECTOR'S CUT!! He should have gotten it right the first time. Leave it ALONE.
by Wacky Packages
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3 a.m. CST
Love him or hate his Ass, you gotta respect Creepy's earnest Review.
by Stalkeye
Much better than Harry's as the Mad Fucker killed. "Love my Ass" LMMFAO And yes, that Maggie Gylenhaulass from TDK is one Mofugly Bitch. Shit even Keaton's Bruce Wayne had Kim Basinger. Bruce cried over that?!?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:07 a.m. CST
Creepy you left out the fact how Wayne managed to escape that underground prison sans Bionic Leg Brace.
by Stalkeye
No Cartilage? How the fuck can Nolan explain that? Other than; "He's Batman, Dammit"! I still liked the film for what it was that being said, it had more than it's share of flaws. Oh wellz, Justice League anyone?
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The irony is that they spent the whole movie talking about how powerful this new bomb is then it explodes a mile offshore and its all "Yay we are saved" - eh no your not you're still in the blast area and then you have radiation.
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"The Dark Knight Rises" is an amazing, fantastic movie. Every single minute of it was cinematic joy. So the prospect of more of it is glad news for me. Bring it on, Mr Nolan, bring it on. I always felt the only flaws, so to speak, of the nolan's Batman movies were that they were too short. Great movies like them are always too short. Checky aside, i rate all the Nolan's Batman movies as perfect movies. Few other trilogies are as good as it.
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You're trying too hard. Troll 101.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:36 a.m. CST
The people who try so desperately to convince others how terrible this movie is make me laugh.
by brokentusk
We live in a world where Batman and Robin exists and you expect me to agree with your thesis on why The Dark Knight Rises is the worst film ever made? Good luck with that.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:37 a.m. CST
When i see talkbackers complaining abpout a truly great movie like "The Dark Knight Rises", makes me think, do they also use their awesome powers of deep analisis for other, much worst movies as well?
by albert comin
Did they also used their analitical powers of awesome on such truly flawed stinkers like "Super 8", "The Green Lantern", "Clash Of The Titans", "Sucker Punch", "Van Helsing", "Cowboys Vs Aliens", "Prometheus", to name a few? An advice: Pissing on good movies do not make you cool. Or smarter, for that matter.
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The burden of proof is on the accuser, not the defender. So the first round is yours.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST
Maggie Gyllenhall is ugly and undesirable?? Really? Who knew! You guys must be some highly effective badass Casanovas!
by albert comin
Can i scrap your barrel bottom, please? I might find Kat Dennings or Jennifer Lawrence there.
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The funny thing is, is that TDKR IS up there with convoluted, pretentious hype. Did you like how Batman moved side to side as he lay his non-movable head for Bane to crush? Just wondering.
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codename - of course I realized you might be a troll but I though that you actually might be looking for an interesting debate about the movie...forgive me ;) scirocco - I literally said the exact same thing few posts above....literally :)
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The burden of proof? How about a stupid batman fighter directed by Nolan starring Christian Bale? Did you see anything cool happening in this realm? Tennis ball is in your court, Mr. Italian.
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I have to say, i disagree with every negative points you claim "The Dark Knight Rises" have (which doesn't). And some of your negatives are what i would call positives. I have to admit, i'm baffled by the negativity of some, like you, about this fine, fantastic movie. Sometimes i feel like i crossed into the "Mirror, Mirror" universe where bad is good and good is bad. I'm baffled, truly. I wonder if the next Batman movies are made, in a more light-hearted fashion, closer to the Shummaker movies, will people finally realise they had gold with the Nolan movies and regret being so harsh back in the day. I truly believe that we will never get a bunch of Batman movies as good as we got with Nolan. In cinema, Nolan's movies are the golden age of Batman. No, i'm not optimistic about the future Batman movies to be. but then again, i was pleasantly suprised by the new Spider-Man movie, which i was quite skeptical about, so there's that.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4 a.m. CST
Guys let's leave trolls like codename out of the conversation and get back to the topic at hand!!
by Kaczmar1984
I think a director's cut is a great idea. The movie was fantastic and it was just the right length. This is actually the best way to do it. Watch the proper movie at cinemas and then watch the longer version at home with your buddies or by yourself. Whatever Nolan decides, whether it is to put it on blu-ray as a director's cut, in "deleted scenes" form or leave the movie as it is, it's fine by me.
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This place is just an echo chamber of negativity, stupidity and contrarian bullshit. The Dark Knight Rises was a terrific movie. Not just a worthy ending to the trilogy, but also a top drawer piece of work in its own right. But hey, this is the site where the EiC gave The Amazing Spider-Man a great review. 'Nuff said.
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There goes my atempt at originality. There's always someone better and who arrived first, is it not?
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With respect, that doesn't sound much like an effective negative argument about TDKR. What you rate as a negative i rate it as one of the movie's positive elements that make it great. We are still in square one.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST
I did liked The amazing Spider-Man. nobody is more suprised about it then me.
by albert comin
All previous indications, including the terrible trailers, convinced me i was for something not good. But the movie completly won me over by the end. I didn't expected that! It's nice to be suprised like that sometimes. The only bad thing from the new Spider-Man movies is that the script for the next movie will be writen by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. Let me just say that as yet i have been impressed by anything they have writen so far. And that's me being nice about it, nicer then i really want to be.
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I wasn't being mean or petty or anything. I just thought it was funny cuz it's usually me who realizes that someone had already said what I wanted to say:) Anyway, I agree with everything you said so let's leave trolls to being fucking useless little trolls and just enjoy this great piece of filmmaking;)
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I can be as hyper-critical as the next guy, if not more so. But i tend to reserve that for movies which i have absolutly no doubt they are bad. enjoy The Dark Knight Rises for the great piece of filmmaking it is? I'm doing that since i first saw it. I'd hate to live in a world where that movie doesn't exist as it is.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST
Yes, please, yes! Obviously a much larger movie with significant cuts.
by justmyluck
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST
Nolan never made a director's cut before. So, i think if he wants one for TDKR, he has to have pretty good reasons for it.
by albert comin
You guys remember when ridley Scott made a director's cut for "Kingdom Of Heaven"? When the theatrical cut came, half the critics, audiences and geeks were not impressed with the movie at all, being quite negative about it. Then the director's cut arrived, and the movie gained universal acclaim. I suspect there's something alike for TDKR. But unlike "Kingdom of Heaven", TDKR doesn't feel flawed and at fault. But by now i have the uttermost confidence in Nolan's decisions. If he feels a director's cut is necessary for TDKR, then i say bring it on.
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There will be no extended cut of any batman movie the much talked about bane scene is around one second Long and it plays out over talia's story at the end you can even see part of the scene ra's is watching bane train on the log things it just doesn't cut to show bane.other scene that were filmed and most likely cut the short conversation between fox and talia before he meets Bruce in his office,small conversation between batman and John about tracking people with microchips in the neck as they free the police officers and a few other minor scenes .
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST
TDKR is already too long & bloated in its theatrical cut form.
by Kevin D
Perhaps if he cut out some of the pointless scenes in the first half of the movie and then added some scenes to help out with the odd pacing issues that occur during the 2nd half too, he might be on to smething. But Nolan has always stated that his theatrical cuts are his director's cuts so don't count on it.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST
and by the way, Mr codename, scirocco is not an italin word.
by albert comin
My nick "scirocco" is based on two different meaning of the word. The first is that scirocco is the name given by the habitants of north africa for a evil strong wind that carries dust that causes machinery failure, infultrates building and causes health problems, causes storms in the mediterranean and excessive humidity in the south of europe. The second is that scirocco is the name of a very cool very pretty looking coupé car build by Volkswagen which sadly is not sold on the US. So, my nick has both a good and a bad associations to it. It has a nice duality to it, i think, which quite reflects who i am, both the good and the bad, the duality inherent to all of us. Also, i think it's a cool sounding word to be known for.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
Pointless scene and bloated screentime in TDKR? No sir.
by albert comin
I wouldn't cut a single second out of TDKR. I can't think how that movie could work with less stuff in. One of the most interesting paradoxes i see in many of the talkackers in here is how they are always claiming that scenew sshould be tighned or cut shorter, but always demand for more scenes explaining stuff. So they both want movies to be shorter and longer. I don't understand that, but the paradox is certainly amusing. Basically, people want the impossible.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
Is this rumour as reliable as the Avengers 30 minute extra cut that never happened?
by Rtobert
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST
Scirocco, I guess I am a Badass Casanova, because most of the Women I dated were better looking than Mags.
by Stalkeye
Including my Wife, mind you. For the Record, Jennifer and especially Kat are Cuties.
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Release a Director's Cut. An already bloated storyline would seem all the more enjoyable by connecting the dots to this story with those deleted scenes. Worst case scenario; people can watch an excessive three-hour finale on their own personal time... Dear lord, the horror.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST
I just wanted to share this hilarious "Hansel & Gretel: Witch Hunters" quote, you will ROFL
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Producer Adam McKay on Hansel & Gretel: "The idea is, they’ve grown up and they hunt witches. It’s a hybrid sort of old-timey feeling, yet there’s pump-action shotguns. Modern technology but in an old style. We heard it and we were just like, ‘That’s a freakin’ franchise! You could make three of those!'
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http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/tommy-wirkola-tackling-hansel-and-gretel-witch-hunters-next/
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:38 a.m. CST
Please AICN, use that quote for the power of all that is good in this shitty Hollywood world
by Hardboiled Wonderland
And destroy Hansel & Gretel. Please.
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The original VW version was much cooler than the current version. Not relevant to anything but just saying anyway
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TDKR is brilliant.* It also made $1bn which is all WB cares about. No one gives a shit about your "opinion". Mainly because it's bullshit. The End. * Yeah, it's not as good as TDK but then not much is so...
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Can you just kill yourself please? It seems you are determined not just to hate your life but to hate everyone else's and try to ruin everything for everyone. The world will be better off without you.
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So is that why it didn't work?
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I knew he had edited the HELL out of this movie to please WB. The whole second half of the movie DOES feel rushed indeed. I'll fucking CAMP to buy this. I want my 4 hour cut of TDKR.
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... we get the original vision of BW coming out of retirement as Talia is now dying and has dropped Damien in his lap, the son he never knew. They go on a road trip as Bats arm wrestles villians around Gotham and tries to get to know his son at the same time. They fall out, theres a montage, they make up and son loves his dad. Bats then beats Bane at arm wrestling competition and wins a big bad ass new bat truck as well as his sons love. Well Nolan ripped off Rocky 3 and the franchise so why not re-cut to make "The Dark Knight Goes Over The Top"!!! Couldnt be any worse than TDKR!
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST
Finally!!! People are starting to wake up!! this movie was ass....
by The_All_Dead
I'm not alone!!! :::sob,sob::: For so long it felt like i was the only one who could tell!! "Why can't anyone else see it?" "So many people on this site claim to have some education in film 101, but no one can tell that all the characters are speaking in exposition? No one can tell how horribly edited it was? No one instantly hated Mathew Modine and who ever it was that cast him? No one could tell how fucking lame and anticlimactic the bane fight was? You know that scene where Batman was talking to Catwoman and she vanished and he said(in his best Little Nicky voice) " Hmm.. so thats what that feels like..." yeah,if you cringed and rolled your eyes at that lame ass bit of Joel shoe-maker "humor" then i don't have to explain any of this to you,but when i was in the theatre a guy behind me openly laughed out loud at that...a literal L.O.L. God....I,I...I just don't understand please talkbackers help me ::::sob,sob:::: Why can't anyone else tell. Am I going insane? P.S. I AM NOT A NOLAN HATER AND I'M TIRED OF PEOPLE GOING THERE TO DEFEND THIS FILM!!!!!!
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST
I THOUGHT IT WAS FANTASTIC!! Truly enjoyed meself and the whole trilogy. More gutted there won't be anymore.
by babbune
...and I enjoyed The Avengers too.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST
AICN also said there was going to be an extended cut of The Dark Knight
by javery56
with an extended version of Harvey Dents rampage. AICN also said The Joker was going to be in The Dark Knight Rises because there was a deleted scene they shot or some bullshit, I will believe this when I see it. I can go to Joblo.com to read my rumors, I used to come here because they reported news when it became fact.
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You want someone to die because they don't like a movie you like? Jesus you have issues!!! On the film I thought it was no more than ok, the first 2 were so top drawer (in my opinion) that it would be a miracle for this to complete a perfect hat trick and I was disappointed by it - but enjoyed it anyway so a solid 3 out of 5. Boo hoo to anyone whose life is devestated by the revelation of random people on the internet not w@nking themself into oblivion about a film you like.
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J. Lawrence and K. Dennings are cuties as in totally made of sex. I was exploding with delight everytime Lawrence was onscreen in X-Men: First Class. If that is not a top sexy woman, nothing is.
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There were two versions before the current, which is the mark III. And in my understanding, the current is the best VW Scirocco yet. Beautiful like an italian car but well built like a Golf. What's not to love. Jeremy Clarkson did used to own the former Scirocco models, so there's that.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST
Wow an extra half-hour? Will we see more Alfred weeping? Bruce lying around convalescing? Gordon lying around convalescing?
by Autodidact
Fuck this goddamn tampon of a movie. Never thought I would have zero interest in rewatching a friggin Batman movie.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST
THE DARK KNIGHT (quit for eight years at the height of his career)
by Autodidact
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JESUS WEPT
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST
Batman: He fights in BROAD DAYLIGHT alongside the ENTIRE POLICE FORCE
by Autodidact
What in the fuck does this have to do with BATMAN!?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:47 a.m. CST
BATMAN: Saving Gotham from his own personal issues and family legacy
by Autodidact
Brought to you by Christopher Nolan TM ©right.
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Can I please see Batman stop a CRIME? He's not a fucking anti-terrorist!
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Your awaking people would barely make a village. TDKR is a rare beast, a truly good movie that is also popular. A rare beast indeed.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST
Hey Batman, KICK BANE WITH YOUR LEG THAT IS ABLE TO KICK THROUGH CONCRETE PILLARS NOW
by Autodidact
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Those were rumours. This seems to come directly from WB. I'm giving this more credence.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST
Could it be people are so used up of the 3rd movies of a film franchise to be so inferior they can't wrap their heads that TDKR actually delivered?
by albert comin
I know it's hard to believe of a 3rd movie living up to the rest of th trilogy... but this happened with TDKR. It truly did.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST
Nolan actually shot a fourth Batman film during the production of TDKR. Its an easter egg on the 3D blu ray.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Christopher Nolan never stops filming for ANY reason. At the wrap party, each member of the cast of TDKR received a blu ray of a complete solo Batman film starring their character. Plus all of the crew found out that Nolan filmed them constantly and gave them four disc blu ray sets of their behind the scenes work. Nolan did not film the filmers because -- come on. He did sneak some footage of them using his phone though. Warner Bros. is drowning in Christopher Nolan Batman footage. They are considering releasing a 55 hour Batman film set with the Nolan, Burton and Schumacher films, because Nolan has filmed additional footage for all four Batman films that preceded his. This is unprecedented. Tim Burton's original Batman has been back in production for the last two weeks because Nolan needs even more footage. Nolan can't stop making Batman. He's gone fucking bananas for Batman. Oh my god.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST
We shouldn't be upset about the people who didn't enjoyed the great movie that TDKR is. We shouldn't even pity them. It's their opinion, so be it.
by albert comin
Too bad they can't enjoy this fine good movie, but that's their responsability. We can only hope they turn around.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST
I got so fucking bored in this movie that I took a little stroll around the lobby. I considered playing a video game.
by Autodidact
If you knew how much I love Batman, this would strike you as odd.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST
The weird thing is I had a huge grin on my face for the first 45 minutes
by Autodidact
Then Nolan overthemed and overexpositioned me to a point of not caring.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST
I highly doubt there will be a director's cut, mainly because Nolan doesn't do director's cuts.
by Mr. Pricklepants
This is probably just an unfounded rumor just like that alleged extended cut of The Avengers.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
So according to TDKR, Wayne was only Batman for a little over a year total
by SithMenace
He came to Gotham, became Batman, worked on the mafia for a few weeks or however long the second and third act of Batman Begins was. Then, TDK picks up a year later, takes place over the course of a few weeks, maybe a month. Then, his feelings get hurt and he goes into hiding for 8 years, comes out for a couple more fights, then fakes his death. If you count the 5 months Bane held Gotham hostage, he was Batman for about a year and a half total. Just another reason TDKR fucked a great trilogy up.
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Amazing Spider-Man was way more entertaining than I thought it would be.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
Yes...a TDKR director's cut...just like The Avengers director's cut and the Prometheus director's cut...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
none of which ever materialized.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
Hey Bruce I saw your pissy-face routine and thus I know yer Batman
by Autodidact
Fuck me.
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You're absolutely right. It was the terrible acting of the cia agent in the beginning where I started to have doubts, and when the hostages were screaming on the back of the dirt bikes, I knew the movie was sinking fast. By the time he uttered his little "so that's what that feels like", and Alfred gave weeping, hamfisted speech number 23, I was thoroughly convinced that it was the worst movie Nolan has ever made.
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Truly surprising that that was my favorite superhero movie this summer.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST
(shakes head) really you guys? You want this to be LONGER?!?!
by Monroville
Forget about things being truncated... the movie is way too LONG as it is... now he wants to slap in another 30+ minutes? Hey! Here's an idea! Learn to write a fucking movie under 2.5 hours! You know there was a time when Hollywood could tell a nice complicated story in 2 hours or a little more or less, yet when I watch THE DARK KNIGHT RISES the first movie I think of is IN THE NAME OF THE KING (that Uwe Boll movie with Jason Stathem). If any of you suffered through that, you will know what I mean (the thing is like 3 hours long, yet feels like there is a ton of stuff edited out).
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1. Inception. I think he put all his energy into that and didn't have enough left over for TDKRises 2. Retread of Batman Begins: How often do we need to see Gotham physically in peril by a 'western' al ghul The first was a stretch, this second one unnecessary 3. The Joker was about moral corruption of Gotham and Batman. Stunning. 4. TDK was one of the most amazing movies ever made. Period. Rises made no goddamn sense and cutting or adding scenes won't help the inherent problems in the screenplay.
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Perfect mix of his realistic take on Batman and the fantastic elements of the comic book. Only real issue I had was that Selina Kyle's character wasn't really developed.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
Amazing Spider-Man sucked too! Here are two reasons and you don't need any more:
by Autodidact
1. Spider-Man takes off his mask in EVERY SINGLE SCENE in which he appears. This is not an exaggeration. 2. The crane scene. Beyond stupid and made me feel stupid for being there watching something so obviously wrong.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:13 a.m. CST
Though I have to laugh...as this article exposes another Nolan lie
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
The one where he said, around the time of TDK, that there existed no deleted scenes for any of his films (a dubious claim because there are known cut scenes from TDK) since he planned them out so meticulously, as if deleted footage is a sign of a sloppy mind (even though most films have some by necessity of the narrative process, including those by better directors than he). Just another holier-than-thou proclamation from this director or his stupid cohort Wally Pfister, such as previous claims where he declared that no CGI whatsoever was used in his films, that digital was 'cheaper', that he never met anyone 'who liked 3D' (despite having filmmaking peers who champion the format) and most astoundingly of all, that no digital intermediates were made for his films in direct defiance of the fact that his films, like everyone else's, are digitally projected in all but a handful of theaters nowadays.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST
that should be *'declared that film was cheaper than digital'
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
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This film was the first of Nolan's that I consider a big misfire. But nobody asked my opinion and I doubt anyone will read this, so there you go.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
My biggest problem with TDKR continues to be that the entire prison bit
by I am_NOTREAL
...was a plot device designed to make us think the child who escaped was Bane when it was really Talia. Bane took the trouble to drag Bruce off to wherever it was just so he could encounter inmates to tell him about the child so he (and we) could be SHOCKED when it turns out that it wasn't Bane but Talia instead. In that light, Bane's decision to take Bruce to that jail (conveniently set up with a CNN feed, or FOX if you prefer) rather than stashing him in any one of oh, thousands of possible hidey-holes in Gotham while his city dies around him makes absolutely zero fucking sense. When your chief antagonist does things only to further your 3rd-act PLOT TWIST!!! agenda, your story is deeply flawed, folks.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
autodidact, yeah, he's a guy in a mask, he isn't Spider-Man 24/7
by SithMenace
And I agree, the crane thing was dumb, but at least Amazing Spider-Man only had one facepalm scene.
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We're here for opinions, and many people will not only read what you wrote, but agree.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST
Sith please explain I really don't understand your point.
by Autodidact
Maybe I need to stop expecting people to make sense or have a point when they object to me pissing on their fanboy issues.
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I'm not too pumped is to see a director's cut. So yeah I'm good on that.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
The only time they should show Spider-Man taking his mask off is when he climbs back in his window at the end of a hard day's crimefighting
by Autodidact
Instead, they find an excuse for him to remove his mask in the middle of every single goddamn scene. It's beyond stupid and I couldn't focus on the goddamn action because of it.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
That's exactly what Nolan is....
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
(although fuck RedLetterMedia - a notoriously bad and insincere review site that gained popularity only by regurgitating ancient criticisms of the Star Wars prequels that other people had made a decade ago) Last year, I predicted that this critical re-assessment would happen to Nolan after the release of TDKR, and was shouted down by a few die-hards. But it seems to have come to pass. This is what happens when zealous fanboys with little knowledge of cinema over-praise a solid director and terrorize any level-headed dissenters. Soon people will bite back once any quarter is given - and TDKR (although it's actually a better movie than the overrated Begins and really not that bad) is a quarter big enough to drive Batman's Tumbler through. Nolan really should go back to doing smaller films that don't require much action choreography or visual flair, for he is deficient in both categories. He is excellent at smaller-scale psychological character studies as seen in Following, Memento, Insomnia, and The Prestige. The Batman trilogy and Inception, on the other hand, have exposed his weaknesses as a big budget blockbuster director quite thoroughly. Only TDK rose above the merely good thanks to the ace card of Heath Ledger's Joker. His time of being feted as some of sort of cinematic demi-god, an heir apparent to Kubrick (laughable), is at an end.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
I am sickened by the state of superhero movies and they way everything is so goddamn personal all the time
by Autodidact
90% of all big budget superhero movies completely fail to deliver the concept of a HERO. Heroes are not out for revenge. They're not cleaning up their own messes. They're not saving their girlfriend or protecting their own investments, etc.. Heroes save the day for no gain to themselves. Hollywood is so caught up in "motivating the character's action" that the concept of real selfless heroic action seems to hold no interest to them. They HAVE to wrap it in revenge or self-defense or the rescue of a loved one, etc.
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the Macerena was very popular, everyone was doing it.....except a small group of people who said "Hey,wait a minute...This sucks ass!!!!!"
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But I'm pretty picky about what movies I buy. Aside from the Avengers which is a slam dunk, my only other purchase will be Prometheus (so sue me, I liked it!) and The Dark Knight Rises. What pushed me over the top on the Prometheus purchase was the promise of a directors cut which that movie needed. With the Dark Knight Rises, a directors cut is just icing on the cake of what I thought was a great movie. I hope there is an option for the origina cut on the disc, however.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
Man, I have basically spent the last two weeks procrastinating for a couple hours a day having this type of discussion. I have issues.
by Autodidact
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST
It's ashame Peter parker, the person beneath the mask, distracts you from the fighting and action
by SithMenace
Of all of the complaints I've ever heard about a movie, "he has his mask off too much" is literally one of the lamest, most nitpicky things I've ever seen. Really? You can't concentrate on the action because his mask is off? Stupidest thing I've read in a long time, and on this site, that's saying something.
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That's absurd, you can't hike from India, where the Hell On Earth prision was, to Gotham in USA on account of the little fact that there's the Atlantic Ocean on one side and the Pacific on the other. Do we actually needed to see all the details of Bruce Wayne's trek back to Gotham for you to find it believable? Also, we know Bruce is trained in the ways of the ninja, wouldn't be much of a stretch for him to infiltrate Gotham unseen. Were you guys this critical when "Super 8" was released?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST
Like Nolan but he's not in PT Anderson, Fincher, Tarantino, etc's.... league
by Samuel Fulmer
I'd say if anything, Nolan is more like the new Ridley Scott. He makes cerebral popcorn films, hell even Memento is more or less a really well done gimmick film. His films are more about concepts, visuals, and situations then actual ideas, and the ideas that are there are not really anything profound, maybe more profound then say the ideas in Battleship, but not in the same league as say a Fincher or Anderson. I don't mean this as a knock at all, I think he's the best popcorn director out there, but really he just makes "deeper" versions of the same stuff Michael Bay churns out.
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And will continue to skip it. It looks like Spider-Man for girls, which is fine and dandy if you're a 13 year old with Andrew Garfield posters hanging up in your room, but that ain't me. That's why you had to see his face without the mask every two seconds, the filmmakers paid for that teeny bopper heart throb. I mean shit, say what you will about the Macguire flicks, but we know for a fact that guy wasn't picked for his looks.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST
"they say that Nolan is in the same category of directors like JJ Abrams" Who are this people? Because i want to give them a kick in their asses
by albert comin
Followed by a kick in the balls. And spit in their soup. What kind of lunatic would think that JJ Abrams inhabit the same heights as Christopher Nolan? Love JJ Abrams if you will, but please! Even love has limits.
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Because it showcases what he can do best, his visuals. Like I said, Ridley Scott 2.0.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST
Garfield was a great Peter Parker, and together with Emma Stone they made a great Peter and Gwen
by SithMenace
Samuel, maybe see the movie, then you can judge with an informed opinion.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST
You can't concentrate on the action because his mask is off?
by Samuel Fulmer
Well it is called The Amazing Spider-Man, not the Amazing Andrew Garfield, but as we know, it's all about the Twilght. You don't pay for that mug if you ain't going to pimp it out.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
Fincher is a spiritual twin twin to Nolan
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
They both have superficial depth. Teenage fanboys rave about their 'darkness and intelligence' but this is a nihilistic and hermetically-sealed MTV-style idea of 'depth' that is mainly appealing to moody adolescents. If you look at a cross-section of movie fans, on the IMDB or elsewhere, of a certain age and temperament, these two directors will always feature as two of their favorites. It is no coincidence. Fincher does have more cinematic panache than Nolan, though; plus, he doesn't write his own scripts so he can compliment strong material if given it, like The Social Network or Zodiac, and cover his weaknesses through it.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST
Garfield was a shit Peter Parker. His performance was irritating. 90% of his lines were delivered with him looking down and repeating the same thing over and over.
by Autodidact
"No no no no no no no" and the trailing "nos" get quieter and more mumbly. He delivered this line about five times and umpteen variations with other words and phrases. I wanted to throw my drink at the screen.
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I don't have time to waste watching superhero romance flicks. That's not what I chose to watch. You're telling me that's what it is, why should I waste two hours of my time on something that everyone who has seen it has preaty much told me that it isn't something I want to watch. The romance shit is what got on my nerves about the Raimi flicks, now it's magnified. It's like if I heard that they were going to make a new Batman film and bring back the schumacher nipples and Arnold as Mr. Freeze. I guess since that's stuff I don't like, then I should avoid that, right???????
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
I'm probably just too old for all this shit. Lately I've been watching a lot of different stuff on NETFLIX. Dramas and stuff.
by Autodidact
Maybe it's time to leave Spider-Man to the kids. Maybe I should have done that 15 years ago.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST
I thought the direction and storytelling in ASM was oddly muted, disjointed and hard to follow
by Autodidact
I thought the origin was insanely clunky and just plain boring compared to the Raimi version.
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Just as you shouldn't dismiss SM 3 because of the nightclub scene.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
For those bashing TDKR, give me an example of a good comic book movie
by Ricardo
The Avengers? Give me a fucking break. Go back to fucking your cousins, you stupid rednecks.
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Meanwhile, have fun y'all.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
I suppose Ghost Rider should have kept his flaming head through the entire movie?
by Smerdyakov
Wait, that actually might have been better.
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Is that a lot of the people here are basically backing up Harry's review. Many of the reasons he hated it (and was flamed for) the haters here hate it as well.
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Jus sayin, Buddy.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
Yeah, there have been write ups about Bane's origin scenes
by nephilim138
where he's wearing a crude version of his mask, how he gets fucked up and him beating the shit out of a bunch of people. I'd like to see that but it wouldn't save this flick by any means.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST
It's interesting that people want more scenes but a shorter running time.
by Silv
The more I read both arguments the more I think this film needs to be re-edited from scratch.
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Macarena, good example.
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Take out all the parts where Batman does things Batman would never do, Bruce does things Bruce would never do and Alfred does things Alfred would never do. Now you have a fifteen minute film, bully for you. Jesus, did I HATE that movie...
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At least fourteen of that fifteen minutes should be a steady cam shot of Catwoman's ass
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST
No. You are all wrong. Batman was awesome in 70mil IMAX. So incredible in fact that I have to see it again to catch all the shit you bitched about. Only
by UltraTron
thing I could say is that I thought it was bullshit that batman would quit for that ugly chick. This trilogy is a stand alone graphic novel and we now need a rebooted batman to go with man of steel. The end.
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i can't believe how many nolan fanboys are still in denial! Nothing is going to help this tard of a film!
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I liked it for the most part, into we got into Robot guy playing flutes and little holograms of aliens started showing up. I mean, it was treading the same ground of 2001, but it was ripping off Mission to Mars' way of ripping off 2001, but you know what, other then Gary Sinise's heavy guylinear, Mission to Mars did it better!
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
For those bashing TDKR, give me an example of a good comic book movie by ricarleite4
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
smerky you fucking tard. No, but should Ghost Rider's head extinguish itself and reveal Nicolas Cage's face in the middle of every scene in which Ghost Rider is doing stuff?
by Autodidact
You fucking idiots!
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Loved the first two...left the movie saying "What the fuck was that?" for all the reasons stated above. It wasn't the worst Batman movie, but the folks who go on and on about it being "amazing" and "flawless" and the "best of the trilogy" make me think they're twelve-year olds...cause I only ever hear kids praising it.
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Pearls before swine, I tell you. TDKR was a great movie and a great capstone to the trilogy. All the whining around here is ridiculous.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST
Ghost Rider should keep his flaming head during any scene where he's doing Ghost Rider stuff
by Autodidact
Is that too fucking hard to understand?
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From the other side of a network.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
Ghostrider 2 when Mephisto says- worst fuckin deal I ever made! Thought he was best devil since deniro
by UltraTron
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
Ultra I was going to wait until the crowds died down and see it alone in 70MM but my friend dragged me to an opening day show at the crap local multiplex instead
by Autodidact
Then he didn't have the goddamn tickets and we couldn't get into the movie until I solved the problem for him. Sometimes I wonder if being completely pissed off, walking in after the movie started, and seeing it in a sub-optimal format when I had already internally committed to seeing it the "right way" are what really spoiled the movie for me. Small possibility he's reading this and will recognize me. If so, be advised if a director champions a certain format (Nolan, IMAX) I want to see the movie that way and I like to you know actually have the tickets when I show up to movies.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
Ok so on this batman thing. I like it. I see what fanboys would bitch about but I still liked the shit out of it. Moments of power and chills.
by UltraTron
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Sept. 6, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Big question, was Ghost Rider 2 better then The Amazing Spider-Man?
by Samuel Fulmer
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Hard to believe, especially when you troll them in the internet.
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i don't want to be reminded of Mr Harry Knowles' review of TDKR. If i want to see that kind of unexplainable surrealism i pop a DVD of a David Lynch movie.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
Gee, I really hope those of you who think DKR is terrible and over bloated have the balls to say the same thing about LOTR and The Hobbit
by vetepalapinga
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST
Saying that "Prometheus" is as good or better then "TDKR" is just wrong. So wrong!
by albert comin
People who say that actually show both movies? Or is it misguided loyalty toward the "Lost" guy?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST
You have to hate everything these days to be one of the cool kids...
by Refuge5
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That the aspirations of the poor can only lead to chaos and betrayal and in the end must be crushed under the boot of the technocrat?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
I remember the exact same rumour being thrown around with The Dark Knight...and yet, nothing ever came of it.
by Stegman84
I expect this will be exactly the same. That said, if Nolan ever wants to revisit TDKR, or Hell, the entire trilogy, for expanded cuts before he puts his Batman to bed once and for all, He's got my money.
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That is not at all the message of TDKR. You must have not seen the movie if that's what you took from it. The trailer might make you think that, but the movie is the complete reverse. If there is a political theme to TDKR is that the complacency and self-serving of the rich only serve to alinetate the poor who then fall victim to the first deceiving demagogue who promises them social justice through violence by exploiting the poor's resentment. That's what TDKR says. How can anybody take a different reading is beyond my compreention, since it seems so obvious.
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Wayne Manor is not in the city. It is outside of it and therefor he did not have to cross the bridges or deal with the military to get his suit. He glided into the city using his cape on his suit in the night or morning hours. Mystery solved.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Oh and he left The Bat on a roof under a tarp so there you go again
by kabookieslap
again problem solved on how he got into the city. But even if he hadn't, that thing flew so no mystery there
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I am neither a projectionist nor an editor, so please someone jump in and correct me if I am wrong... But didn't Nolan have to cut up TDKR because the print was so fucking big and heavy already? I thought I read somewhere that it was pretty maxxed out on length. A bigger print wouldn't even fit on an IMAX projector (or something like that). This is kinda what I am talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm2vIaD3GYQ
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST
Yes, people who are rude on the internet can have friends
by Autodidact
Welcome to the real world where people act differently in different situations.
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The problem is you guys are too predictable. The movie was awesome and it made bank. I'm sorry you're poor, or never get laid, or fat or whatever fucking problem you have that makes you so bitter you can't enjoy things. Most of the people claiming the movie was terrible or a "disappointment" seem like children. You know the type of kids who have to hate on cool things to look "cool". Problem for you is besides this pool of negativity here most people like the movie who live in the real world. The complaints are either things every movie has problems with: Pacing, length... The other problems they have are personal. Like complaints about Bane or how the movie ends... Just because you can never sell a script doesn't mean when a movie doesn't end like the way you thought it should, that does not make is a "disappointment". Anyway I doubt this story is true at all. Maybe some small stuff was dropped but I doubt anything important.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
I used to think "Inception" was Nolan's worst film. Then I saw TDKR. I nearly fell asleep in that movie.
by jawsfan
Nolan isn't the talented filmmaker that his supporters think he is. And he's an even worse writer. But I think Nolan believes his own hype. I think that he thinks that he can do no wrong and that every idea that falls out of his head is film-worthy. Sadly for him, it's not true. One of Nolan's biggest mistakes (more evident in TDK and TDKR than in BB) was to try to have the best of two diametrically opposite worlds: He wanted to bring "gritty realism" to a Batman movie but also keep its good-natured comic-book preposterousness at the same time. But those two conflicting methods don't blend well together. You can have one or the other but not both. The multitude of logistical, logical, physical, and geographic implausibilities in the three movies might have worked better if the films didn't take themselves too seriously. But Nolan's take on the films was too somber and serious to allow such preposterous implausibilities to work in the narrative. It's as if he didn't care if the films "worked" or not. He just wanted to make them for the sake of making them. Heath Ledger's performance saved TDK from being almost totally dreadful. But TDKR was the most disappointing of all. Nolan had FOUR FUCKING YEARS to come up with a compelling story/script, and he failed miserably. He came up with THEMES, but not a good script for them. Nolan has made exactly one great film and it is called "Memento". The rest rate from merely decent all the way down to laughably bad. I just don't understand all the love for Nolan. I imagine that there are many fans of TDKR who basically support and defend the film on principle: they love it simply because it exists. That's too bad. Those poor fans probably don't have a very sophisticated sense of what good storytelling can be and should be. But opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
The IMAX limit (traditional 70mm IMAX that is) is 170 mins
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
TDKR is 164 minutes long. Whether Nolan actually cut the film due to these limitations is anyone's guess.
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You're right. I've only seen the trailers, but they seemed full of political message (at least the one with Catwoman) And I think Sirocco pretty much agreed with me except for Batman embodying the power of the technocrat.
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....that being said: I can understand SOME of the reasons people have issues with the movie. A lot of it is nitpicky nonsense but for some they were genuinely disappointed. I was not. I thought it was a great ending for a wonderful series. Hell, there are some who didn't like DARK KNIGHT, which is utterly ridiculous.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
Haven't seen amazin spiderman yet. You guys have seen me in the shower- now wank to me writing stupid stuff here on this site..
by UltraTron
http://www.funnyordie.com/lists/d64bc773bf/sarah-silverman-tim-heidecker-more-reasons-why-to-download-issue-3-of-the-the-occasional?rel=by_user
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Guess not. So much bloat going on there. The first hour or so up throught the sewer fight was really good. Felt like it was building to something truly grand. Then it all went to pot in false gradiosity. Really what's the point in fleshing Bane out in extra footage when he was flippantly cast aside in the end? More poor choices. But hey, at least we're going to get more of Ras' funny facial hair.
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Can't they change reels? Or get a larger hard disk?
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Codename! I needed sleep. Sorry to make you wait. Nolan adapted Bane to match the themes of the film. Brilliant. You will probably get a more literal translation of the Bat-verse in your next reboot, (and believe me: the rest of the human race will shrug).
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Sept. 6, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
Wynona: I really can't see where TDKR fails and TDK succeeds
by Ricardo
Unless you want to bash about how Bane's voice was not apropriated.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST
Nolan hate = Bitter they spent money on film school...
by Andrew Coleman
And lead to nothing while he makes movies they wish they could. If you think Nolan "sucks" or is a "hack" you should simply not be listened to because you're obviously an idiot.
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TDK falls apart in Act 3. TDKR has a great Act 3 and Ending. Act 3 is more important than Act 2. Therefore TDKR>TDK
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Sept. 6, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Loved the move, but the Miranda Tate kidnapping scene is out of order, that should be fixed
by JackSlater4
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ADD rules!
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The story makes sense to me as is. It implies (with a repeat viewing) that Bane alreadys knows Bruce has returned before spotting the burning Bat-Symbol. And that Bane's line "Impossible," is actually his disbelief that Bruce not only survived the pit and now escaped a trial in Gotham, but has also rallied and resurged as Batman.
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There is a part where Talia is at the courthouse and Bane says "Bring her to me" Then she is back hanging out with Lucious. Then they say she's been kidnapped.
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This is the only interesting story at AICN. Everything else is just blah blah giveaway, blah blah interview, blah blah blah.
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Or was that only to impress girls?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 11:57 a.m. CST
A emu47: It'a the APARO Bridge, dummy, not the Brooklyn Bridge. This is Gotham, not NYC. Some Batfan you are.
by Aaron
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Exactly my point. Think about it.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
I am not on this backlash bandwagon but would welcome a Extended cut, in fact...
by JackSlater4
If they want to edit a Dark Knight Chronology Godfather style and start with young Bruce and Bane origins I'd watch the shit out of that too.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
I wonder if Harry has seen TDKR for a second time.
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
hawthorn_mccadden if I have to think that hard about it, it's a fuck up.
by JackSlater4
Not like with the mask and the super strength and clues with back braces and back scars, that figures. But bring her to me, then nothing, that's a fuck up. It should be cut or play after her scene with Lucious. And Bane definitely didn't know Batman escaped until he saw the flaming symbol staring him in the face.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
19 more minutes of Matthew Modine's useless fucking character! More hole climbing! Batman finally saying "Somedays you just can't get rid of a bomb!"
by Al
Gee, what gold are we missin out on here?
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Or if he's seen it once conscious the whole time?
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Hear me out. TDKR is a better movie than PHANTOM MENACE, by a better filmmaker. But both are huge failures, nonetheless, weak entries in a series that deserved so much more. THE PHANTOM MENACE, upon its release, was NOT universally panned, like it is now. Most critics (and fans) were so excited by the good bits that they ignored the gaping flaws and gave the film a giant pass. It got very good reviews from Roger Ebert, NY Times, even Harry. Hell, it even showed up on the IMDB top 250 in the summer of 99. Yes, the FUCKING TOP 250! I think we all agree now that TPM was a bloated, patchy misfire, and those of us who enjoyed it back in the summer of 99, myself included, were mostly blinded by the good will of the original series. Now that I'm a little older, a little wiser, I temper my expectations, and I saw TDKR for what it was upon first viewing. A bloated, patchy misfire that will not age well.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST
Speaking of Dark Knight Rises gold, How it should have ended nailed it to a wall
by Al
Bane's hiding in the tunnels.
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Which is http://youtu.be/fLyoog562x4 which means don't use quotation marks on AICN, which wipes out all of your post. Get busy swmmin or get busy dyin.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST
mr_incredible -I wonder if Harry has seen TDKR for a first time?
by Samuel Fulmer
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Back in February, Phantom Menace 3-D to be exact.
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His movies are horrible jumbled up shit. He can't shoot action, or edit and the stories are all over the map. Yes that includes the waste of time "Inception". He and John Woo can fuck each other to death. Oh and nice review by creepythinman.
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Creepy, you nailed it. You creepy fuckin bastard.
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Pissing on a great movie for unfathomable reasons. Next they will praise to high heaven a bad movie. Oh wait, it already happened with "Super 8".
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
How it Should Have Ended nailed it too. As did the comic with the cut-out lines around the worst bits of dialogue ever written.
by Autodidact
I tell ya, TDKR sucked as a movie but I have gleaned hours of entertainment and many lulz laughing at it.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Super 8 was good for 40 minutes and then turned into a massive shit-log
by Autodidact
In that sense it's just like TDKR
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST
Funny thing is, back in the day, TDK also got mixed reactions, specially at AICN.
by albert comin
There was as many detractors as were fans of the movie back when it was released, in here. And time was kind to TDK. So, here's my hope the same will happen with TDKR. Here's to hoping. Don't fail on me, brother geeks.
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I got attacked for saying this before, but I'll say it again.
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1. Batman's armor is light, and he's light on his feet. 2. Yes, Batman gives people hope and reassurance. 3. He probably flew the fuckin batwing up there, easy peasy.
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DUDE. its BORING. over and over again the same scene. joker tries plan to undermine gotham, gets away. joker tries plan to undermine gotham, gets away. joker tries plan to undermine gotham, gets away. joker tries plan to undermine gotham, gets away. pick ONE FFS then move the fuck on with the story.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
A director's cut would be nice...a "The Thismovienolongersucksshit Cut" would be better.
by REMcycle
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Was the motivation. She did certain things intitially in order to gain some magical device that would wipe out your past in computer databases (credit, prison records, etc.), yet she was able to work for MF Bruce Wayne where none of it seemed to be an issue. Obviously she could just "disappear," so why the frickin need for some dumb flash drive thing. That and her little blonde lady friend that is just kind of there and then disppears for the rest of the film. I'll be honest, that's my problem with the film, it's not 5 hours of wall climbing, goofy Bane voice, or any of the problems everyone else seems to have, it's just how Catwoman is just kind of thrown in there, and it's a mystery as to why she's doing what she's doing, or why she is in the movie other than to give old Batman a sidekick. I mean really she's Robin in this movie. By the end Selina Kyle is the real Robin, she's not Catwoman at all.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
rashomon, your forgetting one simple fact, your fatal flaw
by JackSlater4
Batman learned how to handle himself on the ice in Batman Begins.
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In which Batman actually does manage to clean up Gotham, there are no supervillains, Bruce doesn't stay Batman, and he only dons the costume for as long as it's necessary. It bugged the shit out of me when I finally got the Batcave, Catwoman, rooftop fights, coherent fight choreography, actual detective work...only for Bruce to fake his death at the end. But it's just *A* version of Batman. And since I wasn't crazy about Batman Begins, I'm just glad it turned out the way it did.
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any further... Bye, bye, Nolan!!!
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Not everyone has to have the same opinion.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
The problem with TDKR was actually the source material(s)
by I_Snake_Plissken
The movie ended up being too much of a hodge-podge of a bunch of different Batman storylines (Knightfall, Aftershock, No Man’s Land). Trying to mesh them all together just didn’t work that well, and I think the 3rd act of the film especially suffers for it (the time compression is too drastic). I would be interested in a Director’s cut (as in cut out 20 minutes and put another 20-30 back in). My personal theory is the combination of the success of The Dark Knight and the death of Heath Ledger was too much to deal with. You get the sense that instead of trying to tell a particular story, Nolan just sifted through the more prominent Batman stories of the past decade and tried to put something together. I would assume Nolan would have preferred to make a different movie – but when WB throws 20-30 million your way, that’s hard to walk away from. And while TDKR isn’t that great, it’s not horrible either, and the guy gave us The Dark Knight, which more than earns him a pass on TDKR.
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Always has been since Knightfall and always will be and boring with it. The film was great to start with mainly because Anne Hathaway brought a lot of fun and energy to it, but then it got quickly dragged down by tedium and politics and Bane's muddled mumbling plot. I have trouble even remembering huge chunks of it as my mind must have been elsewhere, possibly due to trying to look at my watch hands (I am not one of those ignorant asses who has the phone on) to see how long it had been dragging on. I rated the first 2 Nolan Bat-Movies 9/10 & 10/19 respectively on IMDB. This on got a 7 (as it is not possible to vote 6.5) which is the same rating I gave the Adam West flick! Amazing Spider-Man was better and I'm sure the animated Dark Knight Returns will be the better too. It's a real shame that this franchise went out with a whimper, not a bang. Roll on Bat-God in JLA!
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Sept. 6, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
Hopefully the the director's cut is 40 minutes shorter and actually good.
by cookepuss
Too much to hope for? Probably.
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I don't want creepy to die because he didn't like TDKR. I want creepy to die because he's a hateful bastard. He's had it coming for a while now. TDKR haters can just fuck themselves.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
I'll get this if they find a different director to make the cuts
by Larry_Sanders
What a shitstorm. If Bond ends up sucking like Bourne and Batman, genre movies are officially dead.
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I still liked it, it had the best action scenes of all 3 Nolan Bat films, it was hugely ambitious, and it had those "moments". But as a whole it was a MESS. And I mean, psychologically, the film doesn't work. And that's what shocked me. What's so good about Nolan's films, and especially what made Dark Knight soar, is that despite some silliness here and there and a few minor plot holes, the film psychologically was spot on. How people think, how they might react, what our fears are, etc. In DKR, it has three major problems: 1) We keep hearing about how good the city is, crime rates are so low that they can joke about returning lost library books, the streets are cleaned up, etc. Yet, there's this growing resentment from the lower classes toward the upper classes. Why?? What is different now than, say, Batman Begins where poverty is a big issue? Normally when crime rates are low, that means the economy is doing well - or at least not in the toilet, as when the economy goes in the toilet crime rates usually rise and certainly they're not at all time lows. So why is the lower class so pissed off? What's different? Why did they suddenly just decide that there's this growing storm? The film goes into some stuff about how it's all based on a lie, that peacetime is based on a lie, but even before that's revealed to the "people" the emotions of the lower class have been manipulated so they have an uprising. But if you look at actual human societies, it just doesn't work that way. You can't make a film that talks about how the mood of a city is that they're in "peace time" and crime rates are at all time lows, and then say that there's this growing anger and hostility underneath it all that's about to explode. Not explode in 5 years, or 10 years, but RIGHT NOW. It's too convenient and it sends a mixed thematic message. 2) There is no FUCKING WAY someone like Bane could position himself as a terrorist leader and revolutionary hero to the SAME damn group of people. They needed to split that into two characters or somehow not have it be that Bane is both threatening Gotham with destruction while also promising to raise lower class Gothamites up so that they can take control. Imagine if after 9/11 bin Laden came to New York City and went to the slums and said, "let's take this city back!" It's just absurd. When your life is threatened and your city is threatened by an outside force, you really together, even with people you normally dislike because there's a symbolic greater enemy. Absolutely absurd that people Bane has threatened with death (even the prisoners) would follow him as some sort of revolutionary hero. At best the prisoners might be happy to be broken out, but even there they'd likely turn on him. If you look at country's in the middle east which are falling into chaos, you'll see NO examples of someone threatening death upon a specific group of people and then being hailed as a hero or revolutionary figure. And DKR easily could have made it that Bane was behind it all, but that the person actively threatening Gotham with the bomb was different than the revolutionary figure character. 3) Ultimately, Nolan wants it both ways. He wants to have a prison film with the feeling of slowly rotting away, and he wants to have a war film with the feeling of things ramping up. But it doesn't work. It sends mixed feelings. And the siege on Gotham doesn't feel right. The city is too clean after month's of urban warfare. Where is the trash? Where are the smoking ruins of buildings? Look at Syria, that's a real life example. Gotham shouldn't just be a pretty, clean city with a Road Warrior cast-off walking around. The sense of general chaos and destruction is never palpable because you don't really get to see it. Occasionally we're "told" things, which is one of my greatest problems with the otherwise brilliant Nolan - he can rely too much on dialogue for stuff that visuals could - and SHOULD - be showing us.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
If the 30 minutes have more BATMAN in the BATMAN movie, I say bring it.
by YourMomsBoxReturns
Cause, you know, BATMAN almost had more screen time in The Avengers.
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Off topic, but after seeing Prometheus my opinion was, it was testament to how good of a director Ridley Scott is that he was able to turn such a GOD AWFUL TERRIBLE ATROCIOUS SCREENPLAY into a still somewhat enjoyable and fun movie. Worst screenplay I've seen on a film I didn't hate in a long, long time.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
ive been reading Batman related comics for over 35 years now...
by sonnyhooper
....and i can say without question that THE DARK KNIGHT RISES was a great Batman film. i enjoyed it very much. <p> but here is the thing....i enjoyed it for what it WAS, and i didn't let what I thought it SHOULD be get in the way. <p> i didn't let the fact that i loved the Arkham City game color my judgment of the film. <p> i didn't let the fact that i know how KNIGHTFALL played out in the comics color my judgment of the film. <p> i didn't let the fact that the Avengers came out 2 monts before DKR (i liked BOTH movies btw) cloud my judgment of the film. <p> i'm just sorry that a very vocal few of you COULD not or WOULD not do the same. <p> it's really a shame that some of you agree with Harrys kid-throwing-a-tantrum-in-a-toy-store review of this film. but in the end thats your load of bricks to carry not mine. i actually believe that the character of Batman is open to many different interpretations and points of view and have no issues with Nolan using the character to make political and social commentary. <p> but don't worry kids....... the next batch of Batman movies will probably go back to being nothing but excuses for selling toys and happy meals. in the meantime i'll just choose to like these films for what they ARE and not what , i or anyone else for that matter, felt they SHOULD be.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
ALSO... all people here who are REVIEWING people's reviewing abilities
by Winston Smith
Can suck it? When did film fan pages become more about judging the character of people you disagree with rather than just talking about movies? Whether you love, like, dislike, hate a film, or you're not sure what you think, isn't the WHOLE point to talk about movies? It's like when politicians just bitch and moan about the other guy but never go into their own policies or the specifics of what they plan to do. We're here to talk about films. If you think DKR is the greatest film ever and you explain why, I respect that. I want to see what you have to say. If you think DKR is even worse than Batman & Robin, I respect that and want to see what you say. You're allowed to be disappointed in something and to not be called a failure in life. I went to film school. I paid nothing, I had a full ride. Now I work as an editor in Hollywood and make six figures a year. I'm happy with my life. My own personal career has NOTHING to do with what movies I like and don't like, and that argument doesn't even make sense unless someone hates every single movie being released. I thought DKR was a psychological mess of a film that completely bucked under its own weight. I explained my reasoning for this. I don't have to defend my right to have an opinion. I do have an opinion. I don't think Nolan is a hack, and I have no problem with even true hacks making it big in this business. THAT'S LIFE. As a FAN of films, I'm less concerned with that and more interested in the SPECIFICS OF THE FUCKING MOVIES. I didn't go to Hollywood to live the lifestyle, I don't give a fuck about that. All that fucking matters is the movie. And we're not all gonna agree on that. Would you really want to live in a world where we do? Also, while I think it's unfair to say that DKR is on the same level as Phantom Menace (no terrible 7th grade humor puts DKR above right there), but I do agree, HYPE is a killer. And it clouds how people view things. Music, movies, books, whatever. That's not even a bad thing, as long as you don't take yourself too seriously. When it gets to be a problem is when some critic who gives a movie a B rather than an A is accused of being a "hater" and sent death threats and is told they are worthless as a human being. That shit's just fucking scary. I didn't realize we were living in Nazi Germany (annnndddd... Godwin's law quota made for the day).
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....i only offered the meaningless fact, as you call it, to give everyone some background on where i'm comming from with my point of view. <p> all i'm saying is that i like the film for what it WAS, not what i felt it should or could be. i think thats an important distinction to make. especially considering that all of the most of the complaints of the film in read in this talkback come off an little more than peoples own personal baggage. <p> but of course thats all an opinion is anyway, personal perception. but you allready knew that....... didn't ya pumpkin?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST
I haven't read one thing that wasn't someone's personal batman baggage.
by UltraTron
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Sept. 6, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
So basicly you got fucked in the face if you didn't see it that way.
by UltraTron
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I disagree. I have no Batman baggage. I had problems with the film because psychologically it didn't make sense, not because I wanted it to be something else.
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If this is true, I will give it one more watch hoping all the while it doesn't leave me as disappointed as the theatrical release.
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And I actually thought it got BETTER since the last time I saw it. The whole Harvey Dent benefit plothole could be rationalized where Batman possibly moved Dent from the closet he stashed him in before confronting the Joker. Overall, I thought the plot, most performances, and visuals were more airtight than I remembered. Rises, however, I thought was "likeable" at best, but I can understand most people's disappointment. I'd have to see it one more time before I make up my own mind about it. I thought IMAX was overrated. The sound quality was too fucking loud, and drowned out most of the dialog for me, nevermind just Bane's dialog.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST
Can'twait for the next Batman movie with a script writen by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.
by albert comin
Then you phillistines might finally learn how good you had with Nolan's films. It will take a cinematic cathastrophe of the likes only Orci and Kurtzman can write for people to finally realise how good they had. Really, i'm dying for Orci an Kurtzman to be in charge of the new Batman franchise. I hope they get the gig, so that i can have my laugh.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST
All of Nolans movies have one thing in comon: they get better with each repeating viewing.
by albert comin
No exception, all of his movies are better with each viewing. No bad movies do that.
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Remember the scene where Bane stands at the foot of the prison, hoists up a picture of Harvey Dent, and reads Gordon's confessional? This is indicative of how irretrievably stupid the movie is. Think about it: Why the fuck would a Gothamite (1) believe this homicidal lunatic or (2) remotely care? Christ, I hate this pretentious, bloated, dull movie.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
Then you phillistines might finally learn how good you had with Nolan's films.
by Winston Smith
UGH... what a terrible way to be a film fan. "DON'T YOU DARE HAVE AN OPINION - BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE UTTER CRAP!" Also, I find that Nolan's films always have the MOST impact on the first watch. Memento is the only one for me that actually got better on repeated watches. The Prestige (my favorite Nolan film) remained AS GREAT as it was on a first watch. A lot of his movies, including all three Bat films, blew me away at first, and the second time I started to notice the seams in the fabric, so to speak. And sometimes I have a reaction like with Inception. I absolutely loved the film on my first viewing. Now that I've seen it 5 or 6 times, I still love it, and find it to be Nolan's most rewatchable film as far as just pure enjoyment, but it's not a perfect movie and it's not quite to the level of a Blade Runner in my opinion. I think Nolan has a masterpiece in him, but we haven't seen it yet. But damn, The Prestige is close, and Memento is still his cleverest film as far as plotting. There are no plotholes in Memento, it all works, both the psychological arc and the little stuff. Such a great film, what indie filmmaking is at its best.
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But I can get how people might not. I had my issues with it for sure, but over all enjoyed it. I think the ending can make for a great return of Bruce Wayne in future if they don't go for a complete reboot. I still think Batman Begins is the best batman movie of the three of them...as it's actually about, well, Batman. The Dark Knight was a better movie, but not as good of a Batman flick..if that makes sense...and as much as I liked it..I'll say it, over rated. I say it as a big Nolan fan. It's a good movie..but way over rated. Rises sort of went back to being a little more Batman-y feel (the scarecrow judge, etc...). It just didn't have enough bats. The passage of time was pretty sloppy too. I feel stuff could have been cut out the first time I saw it, but on repeat viewings, I see that everything that was left in was left in for a specific reason, and that all the scenes play on the themes it's plying with. Even if those scenes seem like they're not needed So all in all, I'm for an extended version that works out the pacing a little bit, but I have a feeling this a silly rumor...but the more we can talk about Batman the better :)
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Remember the scene where Bane stands at the foot of the prison, hoists up a picture of Harvey Dent, and reads Gordon's confessional?
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Remember the scene where Bane stands at the foot of the prison, hoists up a picture of Harvey Dent, and reads Gordon's confessional? Hmm my message got deleted... very strange. This site really sucks as far as basic infrastructure. Anyways, basically I said spot on. Afterall, we live in a country where people: a) Doubt we actually landed on the moon, because WHERE'S THE PROOF??? b) Doubt the President was born in the country, because WHERE'S THE PROOF??? That's a FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! c) Doubt that bin Laden was dead, because WHERE ARE THE PICTURES??? (And some people even think bin Laden was CIA in disguise). No way anyone would believe that letter, or even fucking care considering their city was under siege and a scandal involving Jim Gordon is fairly irrelevant.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
I still think Batman Begins is the best batman movie of the three of them
by Winston Smith
I agree, because Batman Begins has the biggest emotional hook, although Dark Knight is technically a better made film with a more interesting thematic arc and better villain. Rises is by far the weakest of the three for me.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST
Nolan should re-instate Hardy's original Bane ADR, his OTT luvvie histrionics (Gandalf meets Uncle Monty) was godawful
by KillaKane
Soured the film for me, Bane just did'nt cut it. Ledger's Joker casts a big shadow.
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they altered the whole sound and performance for all you whiney twats.
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I was such a big fan of Batman Begins (My fave), and TDK, but...this film is a pretentious mess. Yes, Hathaway was very good in her limited screentime, Hardy's voice was okay at times, but overall..... I agree with a lot of what has been said here already, the pacing of this film is awful, there are plenty of plotholes, and er.. Batman's hardly in it. It's almost like Nolan was trying to avoid this being a Batman film as much as possible, so gave lots of screentime to new characters no- one cares about. I'd give it a generous 6/10, Nolan's worst film by far.....
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I appreciated how raw and brutal it was. Nothing pretty to watch, just like real violence. I'm sure Nolan could have made the scene more entertaining but that clearly wasn't his goal. He wanted you to feel something during this fight. He wanted you to cringe like you did and feel the emotional weight of having your hero crushed and embarrassed in front of you.The people on here who complain are used to stylized fighting and want to see something from the Matrix or pretty much any other action movie. They don't get it or appreciate it. Nolan didn't make the movie for them. He made it for fans like us.
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this film bored me I was BORED by a BATMAN movie is this America? I ask you, is it?
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You could hear what Clubber Lang said! And it had a fookin montage, Rocky always has a montage! I love Caine but hes was no Mickey! Meridith rules and he played the Penguin too! Inception was also shit, how the fuck people diss Sucker Punch when it was so much better than Misconception I dont know! 1st 2 Batmans are brilliant, Nolan was king, but his rule had to end and it did so with TDKR, he should be ashamed of himself and his mum should spank him like the naughty child he is!
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If TDK is your "favorite" movie, then GREAT. When someone cooks you a delicious steak that you can keep returning to and savor every bite of it any time you want to, how do you think you come off looking if you complain about the next one not tasting as good to you? You should be thankful you got another to add to your collection. You already admit that Nolan has done his job, whether it was with Begins or TDK. I'm all for pointing out plot holes and weak points in movies but you guys come off as though it's Nolan's job to satisfy you. You probably see your Mom's the same way when they drive you to school every day.
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Liked ASM and liked the Avengers. I also liked Prometheus. I winning summer for me at the movies. Ps: Yes I am aware none our perfect films. I lack taste, or my taste is shit, whatever. I felt I got my moneys worth and had a great time at the movies. That's all the win I care about.
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I understand the criticisms being laid out on the table here. But it's silly to argue particulars to the point of nitpicking. You can pick apart most any movie and say 'there's no way that could happen'. The angles here are infinite. sure, a punch to the back isn't a cure all, and sure, how can bruce fight without 'any cartilage'. I guess, in the end, it's actually a superhero movie and you're just going to try to have fun and see what Nolan's trying to illustrate thematically. I'm a huge fan of the dark knight trilogy and love each film for different reasons. TDKR certainly struggled the most with pacing and structure, particularly in the second act (everything from the back break to climbing out of the pit) . Honestly, I thought we needed one more good batman scene before he gets his back broke, and one less bane scene while he was in the pit. But really, given just how gigantic the scope of this film was, you have to be impressed with how well Nolan juggled everybody's screen time, never let anyone falling to far into the background for too long (with the exception of Alfred, but that's more a plot point - right?) Every scene moved the story forward. The characters all had their own arcs. THAT all said, this film had the strongest and most relevant themes of the three movies. This movie addressed what the other two started to question: that batman can inspire others as a symbol, that we can take control of our city and keep it from the 'criminals and the corrupt'. Batman finally isn't acting alone anymore this time around. Think about the end of TDK: He's not defying orders from Gordon and diving into a skyscraper to take down Joker. Everyone is working with him this time - not only because he needs their help, but because he's working to pass the torch to the city he has given his life to. People say he hung up the cape because of Rachel, but hey, I think it goes deeper than that. You show Gotham Batman, a gigantic symbol of hope and vengeance against corruption, and obviously you're going to incite something as big on the other side of the spectrum - AKA the JOKER. Harvey Dent died, and the iron-fisted Dent Act got passed, and in the short term, Batman did what he needed to do. He didn't need to keep killing himself out there and inciting more psychopaths to seep out of the woodwork and keep 'escalating' as Gordon warns him. I could write many more paragraphs, but i've gotten my opinion across, which is that we all need to stop talking about the surface level logistics and start talking about what Nolan was trying to say about these characters. That's where you'll find something actually interesting to talk about.
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Sept. 6, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
You can't make a good movie out of ambitious themes alone
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
You need to be able to dramatize those themes through a coherent narrative and strong character development. The lack of logic and numerous plot holes in Nolan's Bat-flicks ARE an impediment to this. That's why people keep bringing these points up again and again.
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....of the poor and disenfranchised of Gotham city joining with Bane the movie is stupid? really? you don't think ANYONE would join Bane? even the poor and or homeless people who had nothing else to loose? <p> i dunno that sounds like personal baggage to me. <p> nevermind the fact that the symbolism of the football stadium scene and the prison break out scene seem to be lost on you. <p> the Dent Act was clearly ment to be a metaphor of the Patriot Act. don't you think that Gordons letter revealing that everything Dent stood for was a lie at least meant something to the prisoners in Blackgate who were there under the Dent Act? <p> and i actually don't recall any of the average citizens of Gotham joining up with Bane, it seemed to me it was only the prisoners of Blackgate and maybe a few poor and desperate people who figure that they might as well take advantage of the situation. <p> again personal perception. you took something very diffrent away from those scenes than i did. i'm not saying i'm right and you are wrong, i just think we disagree.
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...everyone who hates on TDKR and seems hell bent on convincing other people it was an awful movie are either interns at Marvel comics or work at the Disney theme parks. <p> the movie made over a billion dollars. that makes me think a good number of people liked it, maybe it's time to move on with your life if you feel the need to shout down anyone who did enjoy it? <p> like i said the next bunch of Batman films will probably have all the stuff you guys want in it. you will get your grey spandex and man-bats and bat-copters and surface level plots with no complexity and no political or social commentary to piss you off. you have all ready won. Chistopher Nolan can't hurt you anymore, he is done. no just show us on your batman doll where the big bad director touched you so we can all move on.
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Man this movie SUCKED yo. Fuck Nolan and his British ass, he ain't got no talent, he just a fat fuck who is fat boy is he fat and his movie sucked it was so lame haha only a fool would like it, Anne Hathaway is ugly and Marion Cottilard is fat haha suckas!
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This webpage keeps deleting my comments... this would be why I haven't posted here in months. I'm done. AICN has the worst comment structure I've seen. I can literally write three paragraphs and ONE random sentence makes it through. What the fuck???
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Sept. 6, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
....of the poor and disenfranchised of Gotham city joining with Bane the movie is stupid? really? you don't think ANYONE would join Bane? even the poor and or homeless people who had nothing else to loose?
by Winston Smith
I just want to retype my comment on this. Firstly, I never said the film was stupid, so I hope that's not aimed at me and that you're not putting words in my mouth to make me sound unreasonable. Secondly, uh, this is not a minor detail. It's actually one of the MAIN psychological threads on which most of the film is built. It's not a nitpick. A nitpick would be like, dude that shot was too dark, or, dude his hair looked weird there. THAT'S a nitpick. The whole reason Nolan's films stand out is not because they are necessarily "realistic," but they are psychologically complex and take themselves seriously in that regard. Let me ask you another question... if bin Laden came to NYC in late Sep 2001, do you think he'd be able to get some group of homeless people to support him? And even if he did manage to get a few people, do you think that would give him any sort of real power - even the kind of power to simply keep him from getting lynched? Hopefully my lack of using quotes will not keep this message from being posted.
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Man this movie SUCKED yo. Fuck Nolan and his British ass, he ain't got no talent, he just a fat fuck who is fat boy is he fat and his movie sucked it was so lame haha only a fool would like it, Anne Hathaway is ugly and Marion Cottilard is fat haha suckas! Saying, I liked it but didn't love it does NOT COUNT as hating. Can we please retire that bullshit word?
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Sept. 6, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST
sorry, i just reject the Bane = bin laden premise to begin with..
by sonnyhooper
....it's not really the same thing at all. thats the kind of straw man shit i'm talking about. first of all the poor and disenfranchised joined Bane BEFORE he blew up the bridges or made the bomb and all of that. as the kid told JGL at the beginning of the movie. people are going down into the sewers to find work. so they joined him before all of that shit went down. <p> but just to slap you with your own straw man. i'd be willing to bet that if bin laden had been in new york a few months before 9/11 giving the homeless and desperatly poor food and shelter BEFORE he brought down the towers then.... yup i bet they would side with him. even after the fact. why would the homeless and poor feel loyal to a goverment that they probably fell abandon them? why wouldn't they support a man who fed and clothed them? ever hear the phrase...better to regin in hell than serve in heaven? <p> second of all the prisoners of Blackgate joined up with Bane because the Dent act turned out to be a bunch of bullshit. why WOULDN'T the prisoners believe Bane when he read Gordons letter? it's a get out of jail free card for them. <p> and do forgive me if i put words in your mouth, i'm just responding to all the people trying to shout down anyone who liked this film in one reply. really don't want to waste time talking to them individually. because really, whats the point, you have all made up your minds about this film at this point. pointing out that the plot holes you see are really just baggage you brought to the theater isn't going to convince you of anything now is it?
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time to show those AICNers who's boss by never posting on their stupid web site ever again. Protest with your silence. I support you brother.
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version of the film?
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Yes, I'm very pleased that Nolan helmed two fantastic Batman films. He saved the franchise and brought legitimacy to the genre. But as is the case with George Lucas and the equally-disappointing RETURN OF THE JEDI, I'm not giving him a free pass. There are phenomenal third installments (e.g., Goldfinger, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, Return of the King, Toy Story 3). Sadly, Nolan didn't make one. And since TDKR is only a month old, you'll have to excuse me for griping.
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Joined forever through chatting!!!
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Sept. 6, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST
Nolan is going to milk the fat fucking cow for all its worth and throw superman in at the end and make wonder woman an abused teenage runaway.
by Balkin Flabgurter
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Really dude?
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This movie has various unrepairable flaws but length may not be one of them. It is a grotesque, monstrous indulgence as it is and the idea it might be EVEN LONGER is insane.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 2:32 a.m. CST
It wasn't bloated, it was just shit, especially compared to TDK
by tonguestubble
I'll re-post Creepythinmanlives here as he put it better than anyone else I've read: What a horrible, fucking wretched pile of stinking shit this movie was. By the end I was relieved it was fucking over. You can tell that not only did Nolan not have a fucking clue as to what this movie was supposed to be about, it’s clear that he didn’t give a shit. Not only that but after all that fucking BULLSHIT about this being the “finale” they might as have well put up a fucking TO BE CONTINUED… at the end just to give the cocksuckers at Warner. Brothers an open door for a fucking sequel. Where to begin? The incredibly sloppy pacing. The Overabundances of characters that added nothing to the overall story and who could have been cut out to make this ass numbing garbage go a bit faster. No themes, no subtext, FUCKING NOTHING that warranted my time wasted on this fucking trash. What a fucking letdown, especially after what they managed to accomplish with The Dark Knight. This movie is completely fucking redundant. Nolan didn’t have a fucking clue what he wanted this movie to be about. Batman Begins was about FEAR! TDK was about Order, Chaos and Chance which was symbolized with Batman, The Joker and Two-face. TDKR was about putting money into Nolan’s fucking bank account. I’ve complained about BB being to “comic bookish” but TDKR is soo fucking generic it’s unbelievable! After the breakthrough of TDK, Nolan has made a Batman movie with a plot soo fucking clichéd that it makes the “fear toxin dispersal” of BB seem like fucking Shakspeare. There’s a bad guy, he has a nuke, Batman saves the day, BUT WAIT, is he really dead?!? The femme fatale with a heart of gold. The love interest that’s a back stabber. BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH!!! Nolan fucked this in soo many ways it boggles the mind. And to those of you who say “but, but, but, the final 30 minutes are the awesomz!!!” FUCK YOU! There is soo much inconsistent fucking retardation that I don’t know where to begin and those final 30 were fucking snoozville unless you ride a fucking shortbus and haven’t seen that type of conclusion at least a dozen times in your life. 8 Years Later - Why did this need to be set that far in the future? Why is Bruce Wayne’s body gimped out? He was only Batman for A YEAR and even though he took a beating, 8 years and the best medicine in the world would have healed him, especially if he hadn’t of been Batman for that time. John Blake – A fucking useless character who was there only to set up sequels with him as Robin. I wanted to see GORDON AND BATMAN in action! Not some fucking rookie cop. Fuck JGL and the horse he rode in on. Oh and I loooove that look on his face when he shoots and kills the MEN WHO INTENDED ON MURDERING HIM as if “no, guns bad, I done wrong!”. You’re not a ninja Blake, stick to the bang bangs you fucking pig! Mathe Modine – Whose characters name I couldn’t even be bothered to look up as he’s yet another fucking useless bitch who takes time away from what’s important. Miranda Tate/ Ra's al Ghul daughter – Fucking useless love interest who was obviously set up as a literal backstabber. Tell me again, she sets up the scenario where she has access to a nuke and wants to destroy Gotham but why exactly didn’t she just set the fucking thing off considering that she had a fucking death wish and was prepared to die to avenge her father. Speaking of which, even with her dead and Batman believed to be gone, what’s stopping the League of Shadows from trying to destroy Gotham again? The League isn’t tied to one man or his fucking family. If they’ve been around for centuries then I’m sure the efforts of a costumed billionaire aren’t going to stop them. Bane – What a piece of shit, even when I could hear him through his fucking gimp mask, which was only about half the time. The character FUCKING SUCKS and all Nolan did was make him a generic thug with a few extra braincells who crushed skulls. Oh and how awesome was it that he basically engineered a takeover of the ENTIRE CITY and conveniently Jim Gordon left a fucking letter of admission about the truth behind Harvey Dent’s death to really rile up the rabble as though it makes any difference to criminals. What fucking difference did that make AT FUCKING ALL?!? They still would have been freed and tore through Gotham. Again, since Miranda Tate wanted to nuke Gotham what was the fucking point of trapping cops in the tunnels and spending months if not YEARS setting up explosives to trap them. You know, for someone portrayed as viciously brutal, I don’t quite understand why Bane would trap all of the city’s cops and not, say, gas them all to fucking death like rats. Talking about gas, I noticed that they didn’t even bother to explain what that fucking mask was for except that he couldn’t breath without it. Except that he could when Ra's al Ghul found him in the prison with a cloth over his mouth. What did the other prisoners do to him? Fuck his piehole soo many times that he couldn’t take in fresh air?! There is just so much stupid fucking shit in this fucking movie! Catwoman – Could have been used well if Nolan wasn’t soo fucking obsessed with “realism” that he sucks the life out of everything. What exactly was her storyline? She was being used to secure Wayne’s fingerprints in exchange for a clean slate by Bane? Got conned and then turned good guy to help Wayne in exchange for the same stupid plot device; some sort of software that can erase your identity, unless it’s been recorded on PAPER I guess?! Catwoman’s moral ambiguity was always the backbone of her character and made her contrast with Batman. That’s her strength. But she was basically a pawn between Bane and Wayne. Oh and how nice that she killed Bane FUCKING DEAD because Batman’s “moral code” prevents him from doing so. Except for when he killed Harvey Dent to save Gordon’s kid. I guess Jimmy’s cumstain was more important than the lives of 12 million people who could have been easily saved had Batman not been a fucking PUSSY! Batman – I know the he’s against murder but considering the fucking scale and scope of the crisis on hand, you’d think he’d make an exception and start wasting motherfuckers when you take into account that Bane’s men have killed who knows how many fucking people not to mention threatened the lives of everyone in the entire city. The thing about war is that morality is a liability because the people who you seek to defeat might not have such high minded ideals about the sanctity of life and wouldn’t think twice about killing you. In this case Batman’s refusal to kill makes him look like a fucking idiot. It’s not heroic, it’s stupid. But at least in the end he didn’t actually have to “sacrifice” anything as he was able to sit at a table half way around the world without being recognized so that he could exchange a meaningful glance with Alfred, his trusty manservant who had been with him since birth and who Bruce had fired because he had burnt the letter Rachel had left for him which woudn't have made any fucking difference. Really, if Wayne had read "Sorry Bruce but Harvey Dent's got a huge cock and licks my dripping wet beaver real good like a child being given an icecream cone on a hot sunny day!" how would it have affected things? He'd still be a miserable little bitch boy billionaire as always. Oh and he didn't seem to have a problem jumping into bed with Miranda the second that he found out that Rachel was a lying whore and wasn't going to wait for him. True love my ASS!!! This terrible movie will sit in the dustbin of history with the other miserable examples of 3rd Times the Harm alongside X-Men 3, Blade 3 and Spider-man 3. I’m soo fucking pissed right now! That cocksucking limey fuck Nolan had four motherfucking years to make this movie and this was the best that asswipe could do? Too busy jerking off onto his IMAX cameras which should be shoved up his fucking asshole post haste! “IMAX this and IMAX that BLAH BLAH BLAH”, yeah, too bad you didn’t spend as much time working on the fucking script you overrated cunt! What’s clear throughout all of this is that fuckface was less interested in making a Batman movie as he was turning Batman into James Bond. We all know of Nolan’s fixation with Bond but unlike Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, where he managed to merge his interests together by brilliantly using the Batman mythos to convey theme’s and subtext, in the case of The Dark Knight Rises Nolan has not only shit the bed but flooded the whole fucking house with a river of diarrhea, loosening its foundation and sending it floating down the street over the edge of a fucking cliff! Suffice to say I didn’t like this movie. Except for the bitches as this is the first movie Nolan has made where he hasn't cast a single fugly woman in any role.
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I really don't believe Nolan will return to Batman. It's WB who are the ones who will keep milking it to kingdom come and beyond. And if we aren't lucky, they will put some easy to control hack without a 1/10th of the vision and talent that Nolan has. Then will many of the present detractors cry for the good old days when Nolan was in charge.
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You missunderstand me, good sir. Nolan is not the begining and end of the Batman film franchise. He doesn't own it, WB does. and as my posts indicate, i believe, like everybody else, more Batman movies are to come in the near future. WB said so themselves. What oi said is that nolan's movies are the golden age of the Batman film franchise history, and the next movies to be will prove it. And then maybe the detractors will finally learn a lesson on appreciating a good thing while you had it.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 3:32 a.m. CST
SAying that, i'd like to point out that it's wrong to call trolls to those who disagree with us
by albert comin
Doesn't matter what position you have, to call others trolls just because they disagree with you is just plain wrong. There are trolls for sure, but their behavior is quite well codified, they are merely disruptive. So, if some people disagree with me about TDKR's qualities and rate it a bad movie, so what? It's unfortunate they can't appreciate such a great movie, but what one is gona do? It's their opinion, which they reckon is based on legitimate reasons. So be it. Time will prove them wrong. But the point is, no need to create enemities just because one good movie is not the other's fellow. OK?
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Best scene in the entire film...
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Lucy Russell, Jorja Fox, Carrie-Anne Moss, Hillary Swank, Sara Stewart and Katie Holmes are ugly or less then attrative women? News to me! You sure have impossible high standards, and a one mean rubbish bin there, pal. Mind you if i take a look?
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I see you do not regulary watch "Top Gear", because "phillistines" is what presenter James May usually comes up with when his co-presenters come up with silly stuff he strongly disagrees with. I can understand if that word might have a stronger impact then intended. I was hoping it would be taken more as a comedic coment. I failed, obviously. Sorry. I don't mind people having different opinions. but i reserve the right to not only disagree, but to point out when they are wrong. Yes, i believe the detractoes of TDKR are wrong, and i'll not be shy in saying so. Now, the point you might make is, one doesn't need to be disagreable doing so, and as such, you would be completly correct. And contrary to what you said, i have noticed that all of Nolan's movies work better with repeating viewings. No exceptions. I also think with grerat certainbty that not only Nolan already produced some masterpieces, but that will create some more in the future. The man is a well of talent, and he knows how to surround himself with people as talented as him. My fear is that some day Nolan might fall victim of what has happened to so many creative people in the past, that he might start to believe his own hype. I do fear that. Too many careers have been ruined because of that. It must be very hard for creative people who enjoy high sucess to know when things are going too far. Here's to hoping that Nolan learns from his and others' mistakes.
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This movie was a let down for me. They should have kept the whole leauge of shadows storyline out and they should have kept banes backstory something resembling the comics more. I loved BB and must have seen it aleast 5 times at the movies and another dozen times on dvd. The dark was also repeatedly viewed but God damn Nolan what the mother efffffer were you thinking with TDkR.
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So subtly acted, the way he used the side of his hand.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST
RE "Can'twait for the next Batman movie with a script writen by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman. "
by Stalkeye
LMMFAO Now that's more scarier than Romney winning this Year's Presidential Election. Oh, I Keed. But yeah Sciro, I agree. Despite it's few flaws, TDKR wasn't as bad as many make it out to be. That being said, I enjoyed Creepy's honest take on the Film. Agree or no, he didn't bore me not just one bit. There were quite a few things that couldv'e been done much better as it had a bit of a rushed feel to it, however, I did enjoy it and the ending although predictable, had a good tone of catharsis. I liked it for what it was if not loving it for what it could/should have been.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST
Carrie Ann Moss... had such a boner for her in Matrix 1. She seemed to become slightly unsexed by the time the sequels rolled around.
by Autodidact
Did she have kids in between the first movie and the sequels? That would explain it.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
A troll always feels he has to attack the poster as well as the movie.
by Smerdyakov
It's not enough to be right, the troll has to call the opposition viewers idiots. This is rampant on political sites.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
RE: "It's not enough to be right, the troll has to call the opposition viewers idiots. This is rampant on political sites. "
by Stalkeye
X: LOL
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I'm glad to know your take on TDKR was less negative then it looked to me at first. Cool. Nobody needs to take this movie as their favorite ever, or even their favorite of this year. But to fail to recognize it's a good movie is just a bit too weird for compreention, as far i'm concerned. And this movie's flaws (whatever they might be) have been blow all out of proportion. I wonder if the people who claim this movie is bad are the same who praised the shit out of "Super 8", and if so, where were their great jedi powers of film criticism when that truly very flawed and not good movie came about.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
A Director's Cut should trim 30 minutes - not add it! Get rid of that dumb Moroccan jail shite.
by MoPea
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
It was pretty hard to swallow that Foley wouldnt lock the city down after Gordon sewer adventure and the fact that three SWAT officers were dead.
by whatevillurks
I was psyched leaving the theatre but as the hours past a lot bugged me. The revolution just seemed to be made up of ex cons and a bellhop.
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Jesus Christ, are you fanboys really that offended that some people didn't like an average at best movie? I loved BB and TDK, but let's face facts here, by comparison TDKR is a clunky, bloated mess.
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See, that's why one's opinion can fail to make a mark because it looks you didn't payed attention to the movie. While the chant was sung in moroccan arabic, the jail itself was in India. The location near the famous city of Jaipur should had been a good clue. also the name of the prision itself, Hell On Earth, is a good clue in of it's Indian's location. Which then ties up with the location of the house of the league of shadows, which Batman Begins located it in Buthan. It actualty pays off to pay attention when watching a movie. We might enjoy it more.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
scirocco, I DID mention that it was one of my favs of the Year.
by Stalkeye
And in previous talkbacks I defended and critiqued TDKR. (See Harry's TDKR Review.) I was also the very first to sarcastically compare this Movie to Rocky 3 as there were a few simularities between this and Sly's 2nd sequel of the fictional Iconic Pugilist. the comparisons were reaching quite a bit, but funny nontheless. Too bad AICN's Number One Nolan fan is not here to defend said Film as it would have been interesting to hear his take. You kinda remind me of him as the anti sentiments toward hacks like Bay and Abrams comes to mind. (0:
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
AICN scared me away from seeing ASM, but when I dd see it, it was pretty damn good.
by Smerdyakov
Similarly, I've read so much anti-Nolan and anti-TDKR stuff here, it makes me want to wait for the DVD. Plus, at my age, I need bathroom breaks.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
As much as I loathe Bay's Films especially TF2, I wont resort to calling his fans, idiots.
by Stalkeye
Different strokes, my Friend, Different strokes. Taste is within the eye of the beholder, even if it's bad taste.
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This is really where things are let down...big time. Mainly with the hand to hand combat anyway. Don't get me wrong, i love Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and most of Rises but it is in this area that Nolan drops the ball, he just doesn't get it right. Just so much seems missed. A showcase of the cape in combat as an offensive weapon, the batarangs, smoke bombs, grappling gun, swinging all over the place, using stealth and the martial arts...not satisfactory. I understand the way the first fight in Batman Begins was filmed, lots of quick cuts, can't tell what is going on because it builds to the reveal of Batman, this scary force of nature. Fine for that but the rest of the series fights are not only filmed like Paul Greengrass and Tony Scott's coke addled lovechild but the choreography is bland...the Keysi Fighting Method is just weak. Batman is a master of many martial arts...we didn't get to see this showcased properly at all, a mixture of Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun, Judo, Boxing, Aikido, Ju Jitsu...just plainly a fucking machine. As a martial artist and aspiring director myself, you need to consider many things to make a strong fight scene: strong choreography and understanding of how the body works in combat, spacial awareness and then and only then after you have designed the fight...you build the coverage around that, understanding very clearly when it is appropriate to pull back on wide shots and long takes, when to use fast editing and what angles to use. I think Nolan is very talented, but on a visual level, he still has a way to go. He's about 60% to his fullest potential. He reminds me of Kubrick. Undeniably skilled but...he doesn't have that kind of distinctive visual style you can spot in a heartbeat. You watch a Fincher film, Woo, McTiernan (and many more that i can't bother listing) and you can identify characteristic traits that make them unique in the director community. I agree that Bane and Batman's fights needed to be ugly in its progression, but you barely got to see it. I wanted to see the start of the fight be Batman pulling out every trick in the book and slowing down in the beating, slowing down with fatigue. There was no build up, very little tension. Its kind of hard to get it in to words...but after all these years, despite the great work Nolan has done and despite Burton's attempts, they still haven't got Batman right. The character in the comics is a self made man at the peak of everything he has set his mind to. Criminology, forensic science, stealth, mechanics and martial arts. Show it! Anyway, that's just my opinion. Playing through Arkham Asylum at the moment. Now THAT is Batman.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
Hey, Did anyone hear that fucked up Joke "Comdedian" Dane Cook said about TDKR?
by Stalkeye
During one of his stand-up performances, he talked about how awful the film was he said during the first 20 minutes; "Oh, somebody please shoot me". Silence then followed. Fucking Asshole. I'm for free speech, but that was too vicious and worthy of a Blacklist.
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"I DID mention that it was one of my favs of the Year. " I missunderstood you. Sorry. I do not like Michael Bay movies, nor everybody i personally know. There is nothing strange about it as far i'm concerned. I find JJ Abrams overrated. The man has qualities, but not much as a filmmaker, in my opinion. But he is fantastic at selling his stuff, movies and TV shows, and he always finds the right things to steal from for his movies (and stealing for movies is not a bad thing, as proved by one of Francis Ford Coppola better known sayings). I never saw "Rocky 3", so i'm at a loss what similiaritudes TDKR might had with that movie. Care to enlight this poor ignorant, please?
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST
But it it really possible to be a martial wonder wearing 200 pounds of armor and a long flowing cape?
by Smerdyakov
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
the theater where i saw TDKR did had an intermission, so bathroom breaks were assured.
by albert comin
Could that have helped my positive opinion of TDKR? The reason why one might love or hate a movie is to do with bladder retainment?
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
The way i see it (and it is no cop out)...Batman has a genius intellect. He would think of EVERYTHING to be 5-10 steps ahead of everyone around him. Thus, despite the apparent logistics of the armour weight, he'd find a way. Especially given that the curr
by Sean
But...it's Batman. And while the visual element of fear that the costume exudes is an important tool, combat efficiency would be a far greater priority in Bruce Wayne's crusade. Thus, he'd find a way.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
Especially given that the current costume is mostly a mesh bodysuit coated with armoured plates. - Half of my damn comment disappeared!
by Sean
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Sure why not? I felt their was pieces missing...
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Where is ever said in the Nolan Batman movies that his armour (and cape) is heavy? If anything, Batman Begins pointed out how light it is, and in TDK, which has an even lighter version, Fox warned that the armour was vulnerable to close gunfire and knife stabs. The vulnerability to knives finally payed off in TDKR. I truly believe that many of the issues people have with the Nolan's Batman movies and TDKR in particular are stewed from details people didn't payed attention to or no longer remember from the previous movies. Mr Harry Knowles' review is a clear case in point of that, in my opinion.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
Just because a director tells you something in a film doesn't mean it's plausable.
by Smerdyakov
Batman's Armor seems bulky as hell and he certainly doesn't move like a ninja in it. Nolan tells you many things that common sense tells you are impossible.
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I think you ned to check out the batsuit in the Burton and Schumaker's movies and notice how much advanced the batsuit in the Nolan's movies are. And no, the Nolan's Batsuits never once looked clunky or bulky to me. It never broke my suspension of disbelief that armour could be efficiently used by a ninja. I like to think of myself as a man of a critical nature with standards, but you guys make me look like an amateur.
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That's not why i went to see the fucking dark knight rises!!!!! WTF!!!!
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Sept. 7, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
The fights could had been better? Nolan can't make action? Really??
by albert comin
Jesus wept.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
The real reason Batman is so high-tech and armored up in films is that it makes better toys.
by Smerdyakov
But I'll admit. I grew up a comic fan. I was happy with leotards and a utility belt.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
RE: "I never saw "Rocky 3", so i'm at a loss what similiaritudes TDKR might had with that movie. Care to enlight this poor ignorant, please?"
by Stalkeye
Wow! You never saw one of the best Movies of the 80's? What are you waiting for?!? Check it out via Netflix,VUDU,etc. LOL Anyways, Sorry it took awhile to respond to your inquiry but a Mans gotta work. *Hides within Cubicle* Anyway here's a few "Coincidences that got me thinking about Rocky 3; 1. Alfred warns Bruce of how dangerous Bane is. Hint: "He'll knock you into tommorrow, Rock!" 2. Bats get his ass handed to him during the first confrontation with Bane Same goes for Balboa with Clubber Lang. 3. Charismatic Villian, Bane. Meet Charismatic Villian, Lang. 4.Bats is awarded a Statue Guess who got one much previously in Philly? 5. After a long regimen of training extremely hard, Batman makes his comeback and defeats Bane...well with a lil "Help" afterwards. Balboa gets his training on with a lil' help thanks to the legendary Apollo Creed. And takes Lang's ass DOWN to the GROUND. That's the (Not actually) Vibe I sorta got from 'Rises. I loved when some fellow Tber, (forgot his name) chided in and mentioned KGBeast kicking Batman's ass. (In contrast to Rocky IV) Harry's Batman thread was one of the more amusing Talkbacks. too bad the Mods killed the thread.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST
LMMFAO rashomon, Yeah Alfred seting up fake fights and dying was (unfortunately) another missing factor.
by Stalkeye
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Sept. 7, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
Knowing of batman, the fight scenes couldv'e been handled much better.
by Stalkeye
Batman is suppossed to be this bad ass who got his training from various masters of Martial Arts all over the World. yet, his fight scene with Bane comes off like Rock'em Sock'em Robots. I understood what Nolan tried to entail in the previous bat films, but those fight scenes were a tad disappointing. Overall, I still liked the Movie.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
I love the "FISH FISH PASTA PASTA" Chanting in the prison!
by PoppaRotzi
And maybe they'll show us in the director's cut how the heck Bain brushes his teeth with that friggin mask on???
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It was fun (maybe) but by now we know every step that's coming in a Super-Hero movie.
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Ain't happening. Total BS. The "directors cut" came out in July, you can see it theaters right now.
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Who says he has teeth?
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I don't like boxing movies. I enjoyed the first Rocky movie because, above all else, it's a characte study about a loser who is tring to shake off his run of bad luck. The first movie has characters i can recognize as human beings. The rest, looks to me, like a bunch of high concept clagtrap. I did heard that the latest Rocky movie is much closer to the first movie, so i might one day check it. I don't care if those Rocky sequels are 80s classic, they have no appeal to me. Also, the plot elements that both Rocky 3 and TDKR have seems like a classic plotting about hero who falls and returns stronger and finishes off the menace. It's so old it's even a Campbellian Meme.
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Wonder Women would look like the comics and the Batman fights would be unreal
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Nolan had final cut. So the theatrical version IS the Director's Cut. The Director can do ANOTHER cut though - and you can use the many other words that exist in English to differentiate them: For example the "Theatrical" cut and the "Extended" cut. Or the "Blu-ray" cut. Or the "Sober Second Thought" cut. Or the "Self indulgent" Cut. Or the "Money Grab" cut (which can be applied to the theatrical or the blu-ray depending on your biases.) Words, dude. You have them. Use them.
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Perchance did you liked and enjoyed "Super 8"?
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There's a flipside to that coin, you know?
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Sept. 7, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST
CreepyThinMan- It is time. It is time for you to stand up and claim what is rightfully yours!
by Particularly Hard Vato
It is time for you to create a movie review site my friend.
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Sept. 7, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
Christian Bale makes a young cancer patient's wish come true to meet Batman
by theFUZZ008
http://afterthecut.com/2012/09/07/christian-bale-makes-a-young-boys-dr eam-of-meeting-batman-a-reality/
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She had cunt cancer. Cancer in the cunt. And the bitch kept having sex! Even though there was no room there for a cock, with all the tumor and shit.
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Thanks for the link. Really cool story. As if i needed more reasons to like Christian Bale and Ron Perlman. Class act those guys.
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