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So Three HOBBIT Films.... So What's The Third One Called?

Nordling here.

Whether or not we agree with Peter Jackson's choice to make THE HOBBIT into three movies, he's done it, and so we'll see them all.  I'm confident that Peter Jackson and company know what they're doing.  The natural inclination these days is to think negatively on something like this, and even myself, the optimist that I am, do it from time to time.  I'm still not sure that this story can be made to fit into three films, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

So what will the movies be called?  Well, the first one will remain the same - THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY.  The second one, though, changes from THE HOBBIT: THERE AND BACK AGAIN to THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG.  THe third movie will be called THE HOBBIT: THERE AND BACK AGAIN and will be released July 18th, 2014, according to Variety.

So does this mean The Battle Of Five Armies is pushed to the third movie?  Sure seems that way.  Plus we'll get more Gandalf as he tries to unravel the secret of the Necromancer (Benedict Cumberbatch, who also voices Smaug).  Not to spoil - okay, very much to spoil, but the Necromancer is revealed to be the Dark Lord Sauron, returning from the shadows to wreak havoc on Middle-Earth.

In the end, this six picture saga will be the pinnacle of fantasy filmmaking.  I can't wait to see how it all comes together.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Dick shit

    by MainMan2001

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    As silly as it all seems,

    by Juggernaut125

    I'll still be there to watch all of them as well.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit IV: Hobbit Harder!

    by kittenmittens

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Cool

    by Karma7

    Looking forward to Cumberbatch!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit III: Revenge of the Hobbits

    by Raptor Jesus

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Shadoes.

    by vanchimera

    Dark Fawns of Mordor.

  • I don't understand why...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit is bullshit!!!!11!1!11

    by Jonathan

    Because we know what happens to Bilbo in the end, right? Just like The Clone Wars is bullshit because we know what happens to anakin, right? (Right?) >_<

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Post a damn spoiler warning!

    by james glaus

    There are those of us that have yet to read these books. You know Nordling, those of us with lives?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Hobbit 3: The Bourne Legolasy...

    by Darth Saruman

    ....that was dumb.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit III: Because You'll Pay To See It

    by art123guy

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    I could understand 2...sort of

    by KinjoAlcoholicNinja

    But each of the LOTR books is individually longer than the Hobbit and they only get 1 a piece.....now PJ stretches this book into a tale as long as all of LOTR? Lame, Peter. Lame. There is no reason for this other than $$$$$$

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    These books are many decades old.

    by Nordling

    If you don't know these stories by now, it's your own damn fault.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The Hobb1t, The H2bbit and Th3 Hobbit....

    by notcher

    Not a fan of the second name, seemed thought up really quick.

  • Well, I guess DC is happy with Nolan being involved with the only good DC movies.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    It's obvious how they're going to break them up...

    by MattDomville

    Specifics herein: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=412

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST

    2 Hobbit 2 Furious followed by Hobbit: Rivendell Drift

    by Mitch

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST

    the hobbit 3: rise of the hobbitses

    by regan

    We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false! I found it though, I did. A way through the marshes. Orcs don't use it. Orcs don't know it. They go round for miles and miles. Come hobbitses, soft and quick as shadows we must be.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Spiders, dragon, and orcs - oh my!

    by Fred

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Really guys? No one has said "Back in The Hobbit?"

    by Castor Grayson

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    So excited about these films - Don't give a shit what they are called

    by theneonsamurai

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit IV: How Smeagol got his groove back.

    by DougMcKenzie

    Have Tyler Perry write it. At this point PJ is just making all the ish up anyway. Followed by Hobbit V: Making Cash Money, Yo!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit: Part 4- Old Hobbits Die Hard

    by heyoucantlaughatthat

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    castorgrayson and charlesbronsonsmustache

    by JerryAurora

    Well done sirs. Nice to have some fun in the talkback before some douche nozzle like _emperor shows up and shits in our corn flakes for being part of the Zionist conspiracy.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    doug - I think it'd be 'How Smeagol got his Precious Back.'

    by Kamaji

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    SPOILER!!!

    by Mullah Omar

    Bilbo finds a ring and both he and Gandalf survive this trilogy. I find it hard to believe that anyone at AICN reading about this film doesn't already know the basics of the plot. I thought reading THE HOBBIT was standard operating procedure for most geeks. Moreover, this site and others have been speculating on the extra content since this was announced to be a multi-film story. I don't see anything in the OP that I haven't already read 10 times in other OPs here and hundreds of times in Talkbacks.

  • I'm guessing your idea of "having a life" includes going out and getting drunk, huh? That's more of a sad escape from the slow march toward death than having a life. Reading, believe it or not, is what people with minds used to do before you people started thinking putzing around on youtube and getting wasted constituted "having a life". It opens minds, imaginations, and keeps you mentally more acute than if you did not - that much is beyond question. What a sad world we live in, when a cornerstone of literature such as Tolkien's works is considered more of a waste of time than spending time posting on message boards, watching youtube videos, fapping it to porn, and sitting at the bar. This is what the internet age has done to people. THIS IS THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN. Fucking pathetic, isn't it? Too lazy to read a damned 70 year old book, but can waste hours and hours playing video games and watching fucking horrible movies, which they then spend even more hours complaining about online. Yeah, what a life these people must have.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Perhaps the second one is going to be more Smaug intensive.

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    Hobbit 3: The Search for More Money

    by georgecauldron

    yeaa

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    Just realized Sherlock and Watson are in this

    by heyoucantlaughatthat

    DOIIIIIII

  • I'm so wasted right now!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    The Quest for More Money

    by CreamCheeseAlchemist

    Biggering!!!!

  • You're as lame as me! Wait, no, you're more lame than me! And that's pretty bad!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit: Peter Jackson Never Had a Concept of an Editor

    by Mugato5150

    Christ, how long did it take for King Kong to die for example? Shit, does this fucker know how to pad out a movie or series of movies.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Electric Hobbitloo

    by sbessiso

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Hobbit: best fiction book ever!!!!!

    by Just_Some_Guy

    If you haven't read it, then you suck. Like a vacuum cleaner. Shop vac. High pressure gradient.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Mr. Morrison.

    by t_allen

    About 30 years ago when I was in sixth grade, there was a 6th grade teacher at Estabrook Elementary in Ypsilanti MI. He used to read The Hobbit after lunch break aloud to the class. He would spread out the story so it would take the entire school year to hear all of it. It lead me to read the Lord of the Rings saga many times over. I have read The Hobbit to my own children when they were growing up and do now to my grandchildren. 3 films? I am more than ok with Mr. Jackson spending time in Middle-Earth. And a huge thank you Mr. Morrison! You did inspire one of your students =)

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit IV: Pucker Up Legolas

    by azguki

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    if it takes you longer to watch the movies than...

    by Noddy93

    it takes to read the book, there is a problem.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    9rimbojonze no spoilers really

    by MurderMostFowl

    Just because you know the proper nouns, doesn't mean there's any "Luke, I am your father" type spoilers. Even the Necromancer spoiler is kind of a no brainer. it's kind of a Senator Palpatine is really Emperor Palpatine kind of thing. There's only one true spoiler in the whole Hobbit book, and you already know it: that ol' ring ain't what Gandalf thinks it is. The whole book stands completely on it's own really. No of course it looks like Jackson will be borrowing heavily from every other unfinished tale, and appendix to tell us even more.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3: All You Need Is Cash

    by Doctor_Strangepork

  • Good pacing, but not drawn out.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3:Harvey Weinstein needs his second breakfast.

    by JohnWayneWasGay

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    After Smaug dies in part 2...

    by Kain_Bloodstone

    nobody will give a monkey shit about part 3. The dragon is the big draw, and killing him off is akin to Jackson shooting his load early with still another 3hrs to go. Number 3 will bomb. Serves the money grabbing fuckers right.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Fuck you nordling

    by eric haislar

    Star wars is old now 2 but I'm not going to spoil empire strikes back for my kid. That was a dick move.

  • Squeeze it down into what was actually in the book. Especially since I can read the book in a day.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    48 frames (per second)

    by MurderMostFowl

    Bilbo Baggins has an accident while drunk hosting a party for Thorin and his band of dwarves. Gandalf gives him a choice between prison or a journey to a rehab center in the Lonely Mountain. He chooses the journey but is extremely resistant to taking part in any of the treatment programs refusing to admit that he has an alcohol addiction. Guest Starring Viggo Mortensen, as "Strider", ex-firstbase player for the Rangers who becomes addicted to mithril-amphetamines and casual swordplay.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    One thing we might be forgetting...

    by MrSandwich

    Is that each of the LOTR movies was REALLY long. Maybe the three Hobbit films will fall more between 90-120 minutes -- still perfectly acceptable for a feature film.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    There's actually a hell of a lot...

    by CuChullain

    going on in the background of The Hobbit that is alluded to but not described explicitly in the book. Gandalf in Dol Guldur is a pretty epic story in itself, so I would imagine there's more than enough material for a trilogy. As to whether-or-not there _should_ be a trilogy; that's a different story altogether.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9 p.m. CST

    Some of you guys are forgetting...

    by leroyspoboys

    The actual content/text of the 'Hobbit' is only going to be about half of the overall content of the films. The rest is going to be derived from the appendices of ROTK. And there's a whole lot of story to tell in there. Just watch the trailer. If PJ really wanted to, this could have been five films without even getting out of bed. Naming these films 'the Hobbit....' is just a way to tie them all together for marketing purposes. Sure the story will get told, but this won't be the Hobbit we all knew as kids by a long shot. Plus PJ/Fran/Philippa's need to throw shit in there that they just made up that has JRR Tolkien rolling in his grave. I guarantee well get 4 hour extended versions on DVD. Which means they could have milked this puppy for six films. We're lucky to only be getting three.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Real-time

    by iamdavebowers

    It's just going to be Sir Ian McKellen reading the book in real-time. 9 hours should do it.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    What's The Hobbit?

    by Zak Bowen

    Some kind of book?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3: End Credits

    by MaliceHighload

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    just_some_guy, The Hobbit, best fiction book ever?

    by Mugato5150

    I don't..even...really?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Nordling, no matter how old a source material is..

    by Aidil_Afham

    doesn't mean everyone knows it. Its popularity, not the age. And The Hobbit ain't as well known as LOTR. And besides, that spoilery sentence wasn't neccesary, sounds like the Comic Book guy. Yeah the plot is about the Necromancer but why would you wanna tell everyone who he is when you already assume everyone knows? Sounds like those playground kids who shout out facts to let everyone knows he's knowledgable.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    One thing that worries me..

    by Aidil_Afham

    "The Hobbit" is a book focused solely on Bilbo, hence its title. we get swept up by his journey, experience Middle Earth through his eyes and know as much as he does. He discovers the world for the first time, taking the readers along. Cramming appendices and side stories which has nothing to do with Bilbo defeats the meaning of the story and the title don't make much sense now.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST

    What they should do

    by theremustbeCHAOS

    Is split each of the three movies in half! Then you get six flicks. Or just make a movie for each chapter and release one every Christmas for the next 19 years.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Wasn't the original plan to have a third movie before deciding on two?

    by Cornholio3000

  • Anybody with me? Dead Alive. Peter Jackson's best. Hands down. And, I want Hobbit movies in 48fps or not at all.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST

    I thought the idea was three all along......

    by Playkins

    1&2 Being the Hobbit, and the 3rd being a sort of mixture of stories inspired by Silmarillon. If the third has to do with Gandalf and the Necromancer, it's kinda sounds like the idea hasn't changed.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Hobbit 3 - Back to the Well Again

    by DredPirateMethos

    Mo Money from all you fan boys. Have to buy 3 tickets to see this one story.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I was hoping for:

    by Pallando

    The Hobbit 2: Out of the Frying Pan, Into the Fire

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Oh, and Nordling- LOTR spoilers......

    by Playkins

    I can't even count how many people didnt know what Shelob was.... And when they finally found out in ROTK, it was a HUGE "GTFOH" moment. I kind of agree, assuming people are familiar and know the details is kinda.... Inconsiderate. Hell, I know plenty of people that are 20ish that haven't seen Star Wars. Assuming there are those unfamiliar with Tolkien lore isn't difficult.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    And . . .

    by Pallando

    I'm kind of annoyed that they're using the same voice on two characters again. Treebeard sounds like Gimli and it's kind of distracting.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 2: My Precious Boogaloo

    by Daremo

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST

    hobbit 3: nyc called- they need more shawarma.

    by iampain

  • ...except for the main villain of course, he just disappears and mentioned with one line of dialog.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST

    no interest in hobbits

    by clom

    grow up

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:02 p.m. CST

    will Bruce Spence be plating Sauron again?

    by DarthBlart

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Hobbit IV: Up The Hobbit Hole (The Rosie Gamgee Story)

    by uberfreak

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST

    those of us with lives...

    by 12characters

    I call B.S. You are obviously without a life to be posting comments on an Ain't It Cool News blog post discussing movies about Hobbits... oh.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST

    There's nothing wrong with smog

    by Bass Ackwards

    This is just like Dark Knight Rises and their Bain Capital propaganda, liberal media, I tell ya!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    We all love Prequel trilogies...right?

    by jersey_d

    ....right!?!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Whats a prequel trilogy? 3 movies about dinosaurs?

    by ajit maholtra

  • Though I can't say the same about Bad Taste, Meet the Feebles. That's a trilogy I can hold up against Star Wars.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST

    ...

    by DarthBlart

    and Dead Alive as the 3rd.

  • Case in point: John Rhys-Davies. Great guy, did a great job with both Gimli and Treebeard, but the voices were just too much alike. It annoyed me frequently how similar they were. Peter Jackson, go get Tom Baker right now and give him one of these two parts.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST

    It was once assumed that this was a Geek site

    by jeffrey mckeage

    The Necromancer being Sauron is as much a spoiler as Vader being Luke's father. If one doesn't know the the most rudimentary aspects of the Geek canon, one should not be reading sites like this. Not that this isn't really a 'fanboys and trolls' site now anyway. Or is that a spoiler too.

  • Lots of strategizing, lots of skirmishes, lots of viewpoints from the other armies perhaps. And probably all intercut with Gandalf and the White Council fighting the Necromancer and the forces of Dol Guldur. Cool.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Necromancer sounds like someone who makes romance with dead bodies

    by ajit maholtra

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    Nordling that's bullshit

    by D.Vader

    I don't care how much of it is really a "spoiler", but the fact that you'd even *defend* your spoiling of a story, no matter how old it is, is really fucking lame. Just admit you made a mistake and move on. Don't try to blame the fans for not knowing how a future movie will turn out bc they never read the book.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    If you disagree strongly enough or feel like it's a money grab...

    by ozjthomas

    Stay out of the theatres. I'm going to wait until the reviews come in to see. I might pass this one up as I'm not really that attached to it either way. If done well, integrating the Silmarillion, this could work, but it could also really muck up the pacing, muddling the little Hobbit tale in nonsense.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Hell, you could build up the Necromancer for YEARS

    by D.Vader

    And geeks who never read the books and avoided spoilers would be none the wiser. Imagine their reactions watching the movie when they piece together that its Sauron!

  • He got very angry.

  • ... "Hobbit 3: Definitively not gonna see it"

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    Hobbit II: The Wrath of Khan

    by Nem_Wan

    SMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUG!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST

    You know what?

    by Norman Colson

    Idont care about the name. what i wanna know is how the 48fps looks n the big screen compared to a regular camera...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit III: Bilbo's Retribution

    by Liquid Meddle

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    My Auntie uses a bilbo

    by ajit maholtra

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:53 p.m. CST

    The movies will be brilliant fantasy fare.

    by Mike

    If you think otherwise, you can't be helped. All three titles are taken directly from Tolkien himself. The only difference being "Journey" instead of "Party".

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Oh...

    by Mike

    ...and if you don't want to see Thorin go insane, and watch The Battle of Five Armies (which will all happen in the 3rd film surely), you might be fucking nuts.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    castorgrayson well done sir

    by Anthony Torchia

    I trust Peter Jackson I don't trust Warner Brothers time alone will tell if this is a cash grab or legitimate choice, but I am betting on cash grab, sorry

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit might be the book I've read most times.

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Only watched the LOTR movies once, never got into the madness last time, but I have a feeling this will be my time to get all Shire happy.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST

    In a bold move, movie 2 will be a clip show.

    by Laughing Boy

    Cate Blanchett will experience visions of the future, which will be a two hour "best of" The Lord of the Rings Trilogy. It will be bookended by a couple of minutes of an angry Smaug.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 4: Hobbit Harder With A Vengeance

    by elvenblade

    When Bilbo gets back from his journey, PJ will randomly retcon the Scouring of the Shire and have Bilbo, Sam's Gaffer and Merry and Pippin's fathers beat the shit out of Radagast the Brown. I'm fine with a trilogy. Sure it's more trips to the theater but I love spending time in Middle-Earth and can't wait to see the White Council. Oh and Nordling, it's not necessary to show off that you know who the Necromancer is in a random Hobbit post. There are many unfortunate souls out there who haven't partaken in Tolkien's works.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Good - Smaug deserves his own movie

    by Dreamfasting

    I've always felt that The Hobbit has two stories in it: Smaug and the Battle of the Five Armies. They are short chapters in the original novels, but there's there's actually an awful a lot of story there, especially once you flesh it out with action scenes and all the added backstory and context that The Lord of the Rings adds to those events. My main concern is actually the first movie - given that it's mainly the story of going from Hobbiton, through Rivendale, over and under some mountains, and to an elven forest beyond, I'm worried that on some level it's going to end up being too close to the format of Fellowship of the Ring for general audiences. Hopefully, the plethora of new characters will give us a different atmosphere along the way.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 5: The Erotic Adventures Of Baginses

    by Buddy The Elf

    It's a freeky foot fetish film.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Nordling- Dick Move...

    by jasonzappa

    You pretentious ass.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Hobbit story too slim for even one film

    by SmokeFilledTavern

    I've read it. Fun in parts, but there is nothing epic about it. Peter Jackson will suck his fanboys dry. I still haven't seen his "director's cuts" because one pass of LOTR was enough for me. There are so many fresher, better works to discuss. Watching Sons of Anarchy season 4 right now. It's more epic and involving than anything Jackson has shat out. Have we already forgotten how terrible King Kong and The Lovely Bones were?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:32 p.m. CST

    The Hobbits Middle Earths Mightiest Heroes

    by Matthew

    Hobbits Returns, Hobbits Forever, Hobbits Begins, The Hobbit, The Hobbit Rises, Return of the Hobbit , The incredible Hobbit, The Amazing Hobbit, The Smaug Menace , The Hobbit there and back again and there and back again again, The Hobbits the Squekquel, Revenge of the Smaug, Sauron Strikes Back, The Hobbit the motion picture, The Hobbit 2000, Hobbit H2 O , Hobbit Party 2, most of those are pretty bad but all yours made me laugh, THE HOBBIT AN UNEXPECTED THREEQUEL

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I agree about the need for a much better Spoiler warning

    by Dreamwriter

    I happened to already know that fact, but you're talking about something that's mentioned in like one sentence in the LOTR trilogy. Even for people who have read it many won't remember that fact. Sure, it's expanded upon more in appendices and stuff, but do you really expect everyone who'se read a trilogy to pour over the appendices?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST

    sigh... no love for 28days?

    by MurderMostFowl

    I thought I was nerding it up pretty strong there with my 28 days parody. figured someone would at least throw me some pity applause :) The movie seems to be in endless rotation on TV lately ( on tonight ironically ) and the coincidence that Viggo Mortensen is in that movie was too much awesome for me to ignore.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:45 p.m. CST

    I said it before and I'll say it again...

    by BiggusDickus

    There simply isn't enough material in 'The Hobbit' to warrant a trilogy of three-hour movies. This is going to drag like a seal's arse...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    To all those who say there are spoilers here-Fuck Off

    by starfury7

    These books have been out since the 1930s...Read the fucking books

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    Murdermostfowl

    by james glaus

    Thank you for your insight. I meant it more as a snarky comment, not to draw lines into Middle Earth. You obviously got that, and others (who have probably read the series but can't comprehend this paragraph) didn't.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, midnight CST

    dandelion, I don't know about FIght club

    by MurderMostFowl

    I'm personally very very bitter to this day ( ok I'm exaggerating this for effect ) to a coworker of mine... It was the DVD release I never saw it in the theater. He just assumed everyone had seen it. Still a great movie, but it kind of sucked to watch it and know.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Nordling...

    by Captain Happy

    You're an asshole with a shitty attitude. You should be fired. If I showed up to work & acted like a dick I would be fired...I don't see what makes you so different.

  • It's not like he's giving away a major plot point from the story written in the main books, this is something the books just breezed over to explain what was going on between The Hobbit and LOTR. There's of course more written about it in the appendices, but most people do not read all the appendices in every book they read.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Nordling, I hope you have a skin as thick as some talkbackers heads

    by Anthony Torchia

    you write good stuff and are getting better forget the haters dude, none of them have gotten laid in months, I pity them (he wrote as he thanks the girl on her knees)

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    To be fair...

    by Whatcokes982

    I've read The Hobbit and LotR, so I happened to know that "spoiler" as well. But.... I call bullshit on spoiling it. If they were just obscure books nobody cared or talked about, it wouldn't matter. But you're talking about a huge property that's being adapted into 3 giant films. IMO, any time something is being adapted into a film/tv series, the spoiler warning goes back into affect until that film or series is released, no matter how old the source material is. if someone came and suddenly spoiled all of the GoT books in a single sentence without warning, I'd be annoyed, 'cause I want to watch the TV series first and read the books afterwards. Those books have been out for years, but everyone is still very careful not spoil things for non-readers of the series. You could show the same courtesy, Nordling, but you chose not to. In fact, you chose to argue with someone who rightfully called you out on it.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST

    @dandelion

    by Dreamfasting

    Not that it's likely to improve your mood, but the irony is that the spoiler isn't even in The Hobbit. It's only revealed in The Lord of the Rings. I would be a little surprised (although not completely surprised) if the filmmakers intended to frame it as a surprise revelation. It's hard to imagine attempting to keep that detail a secret in a story that people love to digest and discuss in deep detail.

  • You're a fucking movie site reporting about an upcoming film which obviously some might not be familiar with the source material. Spoilers aren't really a matter of "could you" as much as "should you." It's common courtesy not to spoil these things. The spoiler doesn't make your article any better - it's unnecessary, especially considering lay people/non-avid readers who might have been directed to this site via google, etc. It reeks of douchery and "geekier than thou" entitlement and is flat-out amateur. It's one thing to post an old spoiler ("Vader is Luke's father") because those movies aren't the basis of something CURRENTLY IN PRODUCTION. Another amateur unnecessary move by nording. At this point, I'll read Capone's reviews and Harry's for a chuckle.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST

    How come it's not getting a December release?

    by Silv

    Seems inconsistent. Does another big film already have December '14 locked?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:45 a.m. CST

    it's called.... drumroll please.....

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    The Quest For a Billion Dollars

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Nordling

    by DZ

    I'm many decades old and read the Hobbit 30 years ago and I didn't know that "Necromancer is revealed to be the Dark Lord Sauron" And there are plenty of people younger and older than me that would say the same. Telling us that it is our own damn fault is juvenile and pretty much says you think your somehow better than all of us who don't know the world of Tolkien the way you do. So fuck you and your spoilers asshole

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST

    It's a fucking children's bedtime story.

    by Ironhelix

    This is a goddamned money-grab, and there's absolutely NO arguing that. Have any of you even read the fucking book? Jesus Christ this place is infested with idiots...

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Hobbit II: A Good Day To Hobbit

    by Joe

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST

    Hobbit II: The Dark Lord Rises

    by Joe

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST

    The Amazing Hobbit: The Untold Story Begins

    by Joe

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Bilbo: First Hobbit Part II

    by Joe

  • It doesn't matter how old the source material is, if you're gonna reveal major plot points you should use a spoiler box. I mean, unless you WANT to be a jerk and not use the spoiler box just so you can say *if you haven't read the books, it's your own damn fault*, then lean back in your chair, arms folded across your chest, with a smug look of satisfaction on your greasy cheeked face.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit and the Kingdom of the Crystal One Ring

    by Gorgomel

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Hobbit 3: Die, Hobbit, Die

    by DZ

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Hobbit 3: The Quickening

    by DZ

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Wow, Nordling is an ass

    by LethargicJ

    I love how he excuses his dick-ish spoiler by saying these books are old and we all should've read them by now. Yet, in the article he clearly stated that he said this "very much to spoil". With that he admits that he knows people have not read it and admits that he's spoiling it for people "very much" on purpose.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Another fuck you Nordling

    by DZ

    Your rationale is we deserved to be spoiled as we haven't educated ourselves to your level. WTF is that? Your job is to educate us but not ruin films!! By that standard you can spoil anything to ANYONE who hasn't seen or read whatever the fuck you have seen or read! Seriously, you have no interest in making film enjoyable if you are so eager to ruin their experience for everyone but yourself. You don't deserve to be doing this job for this site or any other. Your a self centered douche.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:30 a.m. CST

    And we shouldn't expect an apology

    by DZ

    As none of these assholes do.. I have been reading AICN for 12 years.. I'm done with you. This site has been a sinking ship for years. The POTD is only worthy thing. You are have all become worthless DIVAS

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:35 a.m. CST

    he put that spoiler in there expressly to stir shit up

    by James

    and he happily watched as talkbackers expressed anger at his blatant attempt to provoke. A very hostile and petty maneuver. It was probably a long standing dream of Nordling's to become an AICN admin just so he could drop spoilers and be like *FUCK you if you don't like it! Haven't read the books? TOUGH SHIT! HA HA HA BLOW ME!*. How do you think it makes people feel when you behave this way, Nordling? You should be ashamed, sir.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    i have no problem at all with 3 new jacko middle earth movies.

    by Jaymie69

    we will get our moneys worth and give us something to geek over for the next 3 years....bring it on jacko

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST

    HOBBITSTATION 3

    by Andy

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Thanks a lot for the spoiler warning

    by Type 40

    We may or may not have read the books, but as film fans, we at least deserve the chance to avoid spoilers.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    Nordling that was out of order

    by heligo

    Completely unnecessary. You've just "spoiled" a large part of this trilogy for huge percentage of people who haven't read every appendix. Why would you do that????

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:31 a.m. CST

    I hope this bombs.

    by Knuckleduster

    Thanks for replacing movies with lifeless product, Jackson.

  • Add in the appendices and you have two movies. Voila!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST

    The Hubbard

    by mulberry

    Well according to the @PeederJigson twitter feed, it's more complex: "Okay, announcement time. We’re doing the film in 600 parts. PART 600 (’BILBO MAKES THE DWARVES A RISOTTO’) released Autumn 2525. " Check out his video blogs on funny or die.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Necromancer does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    *Not to spoil - okay, very much to spoil, but the Necromancer is revealed to be the Dark Lord Sauron, returning from the shadows to wreak havoc on Middle-Earth.* The above is what Nordling wrote. As someone who actually HAS read The Hobbit and LOTR this really pisses me off because I cant even remember this Necromancer character being in either book?! Can someone explain a bit more about the Necromancer? Also, he is being played by Benedict Cumberbatch - does this mean Benedict Cumberbatch is Sauron?! Im confused because in the LOTR trilogy they chose to portray him (giant in armor from the prologue aside) as the watchful 'eye' not as an actor. He doesnt even have a voice. How in the hell is Benedict Cumberbatch going to play Necromancer / Sauron?! A CG character or what?! Pls someone explain because as annoying as Nordlings spoiler is, it doesnt make much sense to this reader of The Hobbit.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Going to avoid all posts from Nordling from now on

    by heligo

    I can't trust him... Who knows what else he might spoil?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:59 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    ps. THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG I personally dont like this title much at all. Rather clunky!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    I don't remember the Necromancer thing, either

    by James

    Though I admit that it's been a long while since I've read the book.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Morgan Freeman as Bilbo

    by James

    Excellent choice! say this three times fast: 'freckled black man in Batman'

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:18 a.m. CST

    My email to Harry. PLEASE Pile on harry@aintitcool.com

    by DZ

    Harry, If you don't take care of Nordling for his spoiling of the Hobbit you are no better than him. I have been a daily a visitor of your site for 12 years but this is the last straw. I will no longer believe your give a shit about films. especially those as important as the Hobbit This is your site, not his. If you let this stand and keep him, then you approve of him and you OWN IT

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST

    The pinnacle of fantasy filmmaking

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Or, alternatively, 18 hours of bloat with bland acting and flat dialogue, and some COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY FUCKING BAFFLING story changes like Arwen deciding to leave Aragorn and Middle Earth and only deciding to come back because they have a child together. Total rot. No wonder Christopher Tolkien has a seizure every time Jackson's name comes up. <p> Some nice visual effects and moments though.

  • never read the books, i didn't know. But none of you would have been able to avoid that spoiler. Did that spoiler really need to be added? Not really so sure and yeah the "Not to spoil - okay, very much to spoil" bit probably puts fuel on the fire.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:27 a.m. CST

    maybe in some countries they will have to change it to The Hobbit 2 : Killing the dragon

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Oh and dandelion is creepythinman (again) so he will be banned soon (again)

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Hang on

    by kwisatzhaderach

    People are complaining because comebody mentioned a plot point in a 75 year old book? <p> Get a fucking grip people.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST

    You cannot spoil something that is already 75 years old.

    by Octavian

    If you can where the hell do you draw the line?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:58 a.m. CST

    uummm...fucking hello?

    by James

    The MOVIE isn't 75 years old! In fact, it's so new that it has not yet been shown in theaters. This is an article about the MOVIE, yes? Not the book? Not everybody is familiar with the book, believe it or not. Not everyone is YOU, with YOUR intimate knowledge of Tolkien lore. If you know what's gonna happen in the MOVIE because of your familiarity with the book, and you tell people with no warning, that's called a spoiler, and it's a peckerhead thing to do.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    How apt this story has SO many trolls!

    by batfunk

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Well, I sorta agree with both of you.

    by Nichole

    I read the Hobbit, when I was a kid. Did not know the ending to the Lord of the Rings, Until the movie was coming out, and I MADE a friend tell me over a campfire how it ended. Fuck it, Octavian Wins. If you can't sit around a campfire in 75 years, and hear an old tale. Well, then it gets spoiled. Doesn't mean you can't read the book and then see the film and show it to someone else and see the unique differences. still, time is just time, and it would suck yo have it ruined if you didn't plan on it. Peace From Oregon.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST

    aremisslake

    by kwisatzhaderach

    If you don't want to know the plot of an upcoming movie, based on a 75 year old book, you should steer clear of internet forums discussing the aforementioned adaptation.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    yo=if you

    by Nichole

    Also, don't forget kids.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:15 a.m. CST

    A L I E N > P R O M E T H E U S > A L I E N S>ALIEN3

    by Nichole

    Yup.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:19 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach =Old Skool

    by Nichole

    AICN Veteran! I salute you Sir. Nice to see you. Also, Ive read the first four Dune Books. What do you think of Chapterhouse? Know the Basics of 5 and 6. Don't SPOIL IT:)

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Hobs will be bit!

    by Cosmik

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:40 a.m. CST

    I think i'll add fuel to the fire that's burning Nordling's effigy..

    by Aidil_Afham

    To all those who said that the spoiler is a small plot point, that is the problem here. Not everyone remembers or notice it, if I recall correctly, its an added segment to later editions of The Hobbit, so people might not even read and know about it. And worst of all, what was a minor side mention in the books is going to be expanded and be a main important plot and reveal, which Nordling just spoiled, with his sense of smugness. I get it, you're a bigger geek and fuck everyone who's not up to your level. The very fact that you call it a spoiler shows you acknowledges that people may not know it. I don't know why you choose to stir shit up then spit on your reader's faces as defence. As if the fledgling readership isnt going down fast enough.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:41 a.m. CST

    kwisatzhaderach

    by James

    The spoiler was contained within Nordling's article, not the forums. Film and literature are two separate mediums, and it shouldn't be taken for granted that everyone's read the books. It doesn't matter how old the books are, if you haven't read them, you haven't read them. The implication is that if you haven't, then you should be ashamed of yourself, or something, and you deserve to have the story spoiled for you. No, it's ok to not have read Tolkien and still enjoy these movies.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:46 a.m. CST

    I agree with all the buddies

    by ajit maholtra

    If you write that I am going to spoil this, put a warning before it. But if there is no warning, and no apology, and only anger towards all the readers, then it means you hate all the readers and you are not a buddy. You are an angry enemy.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    Caution! Spoilers within?!

    by Sundaycall1

    Bilbo finds the ring! Spiders are still bad! Goblins are eeeeeeevil! Gandalf lives through this trilogy! Dwarves are tiny! The battle of the Five Armies has FIVE ARMIES!! ALL CAPS MAKE TOU LOOK MENTAL! Bruce Willis is a ghost! Rocky Loses! Batman is alive! Marty makes it back to the future! Humpty Dumpty stays broken! Tom Cruise wins! Except in Collateral! Harry Potter beats Voldemort! Ned Stark IS SEAN BEAN! Braveheart dies!?! It's his sleigh! There. Now everyone should be ok working the old Interweb without any nasty surprises. You're welcome. FACT!!!!!!! HUGE PENIS!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST

    aidil_afham

    by James

    Right, then, that explains why I don't remember it...

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6 a.m. CST

    Any way you cut it, that was a complete dick move...

    by Stegman84

    How many people are just fans of the films, or have grown up with LOTR as their generation's Star Wars, and perhaps are waiting to read the book until after the films come out. People who are probably trying to avoid knowing too much just so they can savour that first filmic experience when the films land on the screen in front of them. Showing no consideration to fellow film geeks, and spoiling stuff for no other reason than just because you can isn't big or clever or funny, it just makes you a bit of a cunt really.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST

    WOW NORDLING, YOU REALLY FUCKED UP...

    by SeXX ED

    I've never before read such an arrogantly thoughtless article on a site intended to serve sci-fi/fantasy enthusiasts - much less one I've visited without apprehension of UNANNOUNCED SPOILERS for YEARS. I'm 37, and no, I HAVE NOT READ THE HOBBIT. Your logic in condescending your audience for not being fully aware of a major plot point in A FILM THAT HAS YET TO EXIST simply because it's based on a very old book is asinine in GIANT proportion. Your article concerns the film, NOT the book. Peter Jackson is longtime friend of this site, also - what would you suppose he might say, having read this? Take a look at all these "dick move, Nordling" posts above - alas, no mea culpa on your part. You are no journalist... it doesn't seem that you want to be one, either.

  • Good God what a bunch of whiners, Isnt LOTR required reading in schools anymore? I mean really if they dropped this what else did they loose? Great Expectations, To Kill a Mocking Bird, Tom Sawyer, Anne Frank, Fahrenheit 451?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:47 a.m. CST

    Nordling on Twitter

    by James

    *I got no patience for people who think revealing plot points from a DECADES OLD book is spoilery. The Necromancer = Sauron. Fuck off.*

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    and he retweeted this from another user:

    by James

    *Look, if you're bitching about spoilers regarding a story published in 1937, you can suck my entire dick.*

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    "The Desolation of Smaug"...

    by FusionAddict

    ...just doesn't grab me. It's too on the nose. Personally, I'd have preferred "Riddles in the Dark".

  • you can suck his dick and fuck off. Nice.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:05 a.m. CST

    They took that title from a suggestion in a previous AICN talk back

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    They owe some lucky AICN poster royalties now! As for Nordling's arrogant responses to posters/ tweeters...this guy is part of the Devin Faraci/ Mr Beaks triumvirate of utter douchery, so what do you really expect?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:10 a.m. CST

    July 2014?

    by lee seymour

    A peter Jackson film in a summer crowd? especially when its a fantasy film which the previous 3 and soon to be part 1 & 2 are december bound??? methinks Variety have it mixed up it must be December 2014 they mean coz you know the extended edition of HOBBIT 1 will be bluray bound in december 2013 just in time for part 2 and so on

  • I read The Hobbit when I was a kid and remember most of it, but I don't agree with your inability to hide the spoilers. It doesn't matter how long the book has been out - a 75 year old book or a 75 day old book - the plot inside shouldn't be told unless the person reads it, sees the movie, or asks to be told. We read your material on this site for entertainment, not to be pissed. If you're writing just to be heard and don't care about your readers then I have no problem skipping your articles in the future.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson - The King of Bloat

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    I gave Jackson a pass on the bloat in The Return of the King and King Kong. He just didn't want to let them go, he loved the material so much he just wanted to stay in that sandbox. But this is, frankly, a shark-jumping moment of major proportions. It's going to redefine him and illustrate what we didn't want to face...Peter Jackson is the King of Bloat. He would need six hours to tell the story of Goldielocks and the Three Bears at this point, with an extended version released for the fans six months later.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Holy cow, how can anybody say there are any spoilers to THE HOBBIT?

    by FluffyUnbound

    I don't care if you haven't read it. You saw the LOTR films, right? You're aware that THE HOBBIT takes place BEFORE the LOTR films, right?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Another Spoiler - Bilbo Baggins FINDS A MAGIC RING

    by FluffyUnbound

    Gasp, what a spoiler!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Another spoiler - GANDALF DOESN'T DIE IN THIS ONE

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Incredible spoiler - THEY KILL THE DRAGON AND BILBO MAKES IT HOME

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Worst spoiler of all - GOLLUM LOSES THE RIDDLE GAME

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Dwarf Spoiler - BALIN LIVES AND BECOMES LORD OF MORIA

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    Elf Spoiler - IF WE MEET AN ELF NAMED LEGOLAS, HE LIVES TOO

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST

    i don't care about these spoilers anyway

    by JAMF

    tolkien's always been dogshit to me. fantasy fucking blows.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST

    The Necromancer actually is talked about in the LOTR books

    by FluffyUnbound

    To answer cobra-kai's question. They talk about how the White Council drove the Necromancer out of Mirkwood, but it turned out he was secretly Sauron so he just moseyed on down to Mordor instead. The only time he is even mentioned outside of the appendices is to say the spoiler. There's no period where you know who the Necromancer is but are in doubt as to his identity.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    The chick in The Crying Game is really a man!

    by Aiden Blackwell

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:42 a.m. CST

    I've read the books and had no idea the necromancer was....

    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree that was a dick move Nordling, what was the point of posting that? If many people already know that, then good on them, but there are plenty of people who don't, and what about people who've never read the books?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    There is no expiry date on spoilers

    by Rebel Scumb

    And if you truly love a book or movie or show, then you should want others to be able to enjoy it unspoiled as well.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    People who think this is just about money

    by Hipshot

    Probably don't know any artists who are rich. Sure, money enters into it. But even more importantly, they love spending time doing things that they enjoy. You know there is an audience for these--people who will sit in a theater for ten hours to watch the three films. They'd have to really love HOBBIT, right? So...how much more would you have to love the world of Tolkein to spend almost ten years of your life engaged in that world? Of course Jackson wants to make money. But more than that, he wants to spend his days doing something that makes his heart happy. Artists search their whole lives for something that they love, that will also allow them to support their families. Jackson has found it. And when this is over, he probably feels he will die a little, and that nothing else he does in his entire life will be quite as meaningful to him. The studio is just a machine that eats money, of course. But Jackson is a man searching for joy in his life, like the rest of us. And you guys who think it's merely about money have probably never been in the position of creating and selling your art, and probably never will.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    @aremisslake

    by Octavian

    It is just possible that a movie based on a book might have some shared content, dimwit. There was a time when western society assumed a degree of intellect. Now the default setting is everyone is an idiot. Result: more idiots. I remember going to see that pile of shit Titanic with my then girlfriend. When we got home her flatmate asked us what we thought. Girlfriend loved it, but I said I thought it was pretty boring until the ship sank. "Don't tell me! I'm going to see it at the weekend!" I suppose it is easy to give away spoilers to cretins, but should we really be servicing the lowest common denominator anymore than we already do in society?

  • So, 6 books in total.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Saruman says Sauron cannot yet take physical form...

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    In FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, Saruman and Gandalf talk about Sauron. Is Sauron/Necromancer going be shown as a wispy cloud or some such? Or maybe a giant eyeball floating around?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Also, the Planet of the Apes is Earth.

    by Mr. Pricklepants

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    So who did you think the Necromancer was?

    by donkey_lasher

    If you didn't know, and had read the books? Just some evil fellow who just happened to be able to raise the dead and had skills like a wizard, who has even less significance in the stories than Tom Bombadil? I can't fucking believe people here couldn't piece it together or didn't bother finding out on wikipedia! There's only two candidates for crying out loud....

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    turd, you're right about hearing that title before in an earlier thread - a talkbacker called senor_spielbergo broke this news about THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG over a month ago... copied and pasted below: Jul 30, 2012 2:46:17 PM CDT WB registered two domains with possible titles by senor_spielbergo RIDDLES IN THE DARK and THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    @donkey_lasher Correct me if I'm wrong

    by Aidil_Afham

    But isn't the fact that he's who he is, was added on the later editions? I don't even think it was even mentioned in The Hobbit, more on the appendices of LOTR. Yeah he was initially just written as an "evil fellow who just happened to be able to raise the dead and had skills like a wizard" Now imagine if the revelation was played out to the audience, and considering they're gonna expand the scene, it'll be a major plot point. Wouldn't it be fair to let PJ handle how its gonna play out? Instead of telling everyone "Hey I know you haven't seen the movie, but there will be a dark wizard in the woods and he's Sauron. Oh you didn't read the books? fuck you lesser insects!"

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST

    OCTAVIAN - Got that beat

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    Octavian - that's a great story. I think I might have it beat. Have a family friend who is an incredible ditz. She isn't challenged, she's just an idiot. Kinda cute, but so stupid, you almost feel worried to leave her in the presence of sharp objects. She was a big, big fan of Michael Bay's PEARL HARBOR. One day, I was watching SAVING PRIVATE RYAN when she came over. She stared in rapt attention during the opening D-Day invasion, then turned to me and asked, "Did this happen before or after Pearl Harbor?" True story.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Hobbit I: The Phantom Hobbit

    by kittenmittens

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Hobbit II: Attack of the Orcs

    by kittenmittens

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Hobbit III: Revenge of the Elves

    by kittenmittens

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST

    See what I did there. Good Stuff.

    by kittenmittens

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:04 a.m. CST

    octavian

    by James

    So everyone who hasn't read Tolkien and knows every plot point in the books, and thus, the movies, are lowest common denominator idiots and cretins? I disagree. I'd say those classifications better belong to those who are senselessly hostile and enjoy rubbing people the wrong way for the hell of it. Your having read Tolkien doesn't make you more intelligent than everybody else, sadly. Maybe you have other qualities to help you convince yourself of your superiority?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Necromancer is barely mentioned in The Hobbit...

    by Apocalypse_Pooh

    The Necromancer is barely mentioned in The Hobbit, and is only a few paragraphs in the Appendices. Jackson, Boyens, and Walsh are going to have to make up tons of material.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST

    it's no surpise (spoiler)

    by VoiceOfSaruman

    Maybe there should have been a spoiler warning, but when the marketing really hits for this film, I think all the advance talk and reviews will be openly talking about Necromancer = Sauron as part of the draw for the film. It's not like saying which characters die at the end. It's going to be connective tissue - everyone will know going in, whose read anything about these movies.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:37 a.m. CST

    The reviews will give it away *spoilerish*

    by donkey_lasher

    As soon as they mention a 'dark force rising' or whatever, people will automatically assume the right thing. For audiences, it'll be too obvious. As soon as it's revealed that Dol Guldor is occupied the best they could do is allude to it being the Witch King.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I'm reading The Children Of Hurin right now

    by donkey_lasher

    I'm sure that this could be adapted into a TV series, but I feel that Christopher Tolkein has again gone about it wrong. He should have given another author some degree of poetic license to adapt the old tales, and make them more easily accessible to the average reader.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST

    So, Since Nordling Says It's Okay

    by popeofchina

    Rosebud is a sled, Norma Bates is Norman in drag, Soylent Green is people, etc. So long as it's decades old, it's the reader's fault, not the one who spoiled it. Good to know.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:59 a.m. CST

    octavian

    by James

    Apples and oranges. If someone doesn't know that Hitler killed himself at the end of WWII, or that the Titanic sank, then I'd agree that they're not informed enough in recent Western history. But, this notion that people who haven't read (by choice or class assignment) this fantasy book or another have done something wrong and deserve to be disrespected is a very petty form of elitism. It's perfectly fine to go see *The Hobbit* when you know the books by heart, and enjoy the story you love played out on screen. It is also quite alright to want to go see *The Hobbit* with no prior knowledge of the plot and enjoy watching the story unfold, even though the book is old and popular. So, yes, in my opinion, it qualifies as a spoiler, and a large one, for a major film. That said, I'd strongly recommend giving *The Hobbit* a read to anyone who hasn't done so yet. Let's not forget that Nordling's spoiler applies first and foremost to the book.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST

    YOU'LL ALL GO SEE IT!!!

    by dryjism

    SO PUT PETE'S DICK BACK IN YOUR MOUF AND SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    RE: Sauron and physical form (spoilerish)

    by Beebop

    In the Silmarillion, after Luthien casts down Sauron, he loses his physical form and has to sulk back, in spirit, to Morgoth in Angband. I'd imagine that after the Istari bring Dol Guldur down, and the Necromancer with it, it is much the same thing - Sauron loses his physical form and his spirit seeks out his old hideaway at Barad Dur. I'm re-reading the Silmarillion now, and while it can be a brutally difficult book, the battles and wars are incredibly intense. Tolkien wrote massive battles more exciting and better than anyone else.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    It doesn't matter how long the books have been out

    by D.Vader

    Bc as others have posted, the MOVIES ARE NEW. Its like The Walking Dead. I don't care how long those books have been out, I'm watching the SHOW, so don't spoil the books for me, please. It just makes you an asshole.

  • And unfortunately this adaptation of the book will suffer greatly because of Jackson's greed.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Two for the desolation of smaug please

    by WeakThirdAct

    In my most OTT New Zullund iccent, just for fun. Can't wait.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    dandelion

    by donkey_lasher

    Just what is your point here? People in general don't read any old shit, they are recommended by word of mouth or review. If you started reading a book a day at 5, and in your childhood don't happen to read ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR CHILDRENS BOOKS OF ALL TIME, then there's something seriously wrong.

  • it doesn't matter if it is a 70 years old famous book.There are still a lot of people who have not read it. and why should they? it is a children's book after all. Don't forget that a lot of people who went to see the LOTR movies,didn't know anything about the books. That's why the sales of the books skyrocketed during that period.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST

    i find it funny that some idiots "spoil" historical events

    by jack

    as some kind of proof that Nordling didn't spoil anything. Hello. History is taught in schools and it is real thing,not a work of fiction from some writer.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Bilbo visits his proctologist?

    by Pablo

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    And Nordling has yet to respond to this issue

    by D.Vader

    Speaks VOLUMES about this guy.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:22 a.m. CST

    burple

    by donkey_lasher

    I don't think Sauron has a physical form without the One Ring. He lost it one other time in the book you're reading.

  • childrens book of all time. But not in all of the other countries of the world.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST

    donkey lasher

    by Rebel Scumb

    I didn't think it was anyone, just a villian the wizards had to deal with.

  • When I find out a friend of mine or a coworker or whatever hasn't seen/read something I've really enjoyed, I recommend it to them, but I don't say you should see this movie! It came out in 1987, at the end it turns out his Dad is the killer! I'm serious! It's this crazy twist, you have to watch it! I just tell them it's good and encourage them to give it a shot. If they end up liking it then they've gotten to have that same initial surprise I did 20 years earlier. Great! And historical knowledge is not the same thing, tragedies aren't here for our amusement, they are real things happening that we need to be aware of, and most historical movies aren't based around the idea of the audience not already being acquainted with the event itself It's not like the Titanic sinking is meant to be a twist, or a shocking surprise. The audience goes in with that expectation. I have no idea how this necromancer business is going to be handled, especially given that Jackson et al will be expanding at stuff that is barely touched on in the books themselves, but given that that is the case why not wait and see. Because honestly even as a fan of the books that would have been a neat surprise!

  • Could have been cool for an audience that doesn't know it either but is familiar with the LOTR movies. Ah well. Doesn't matter bc its based on an "old book" I guess. From now on, anytime we're talking about old movies or old books around people who've never seen them, well its THEIR fault. *Our* opinions and feelings are all that matter, fuck them for not being as current as us, bc apparently we should just spoil the hell out of EVERY old story around people who don't know the ending.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    There wasn't this sort of outrage....

    by donkey_lasher

    ...when people started going on about the Governor in The Walking Dead, and revealing major spoilers about what happens there.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit was easier to read than LOTR

    by Dawhiteguy

    Why are they making three movies?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    fluffyunbound you just sould like a fucking moron....

    by john

    and not even a funny one. Please fall on your sword immediately.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    nordling that was really shitty to reveal that spoiler

    by FleshMachine

    seriously bad form. the books could be 2000 years old...doesn't change the fact that many people have not read them. douche.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    My only real concern with the 2 Hobbit films becoming 3 is...

    by Rebel Scumb

    How it might effect the pacing since this is not how the movies were originally planned, and extra material is being added in now. But on this I do agree with Nordling, I want to be optimistic about it, I'm excited to go back to that world, that they have gotten all the cast, location, crew, director back from before. Hell Christopher Lee is still alive!! I remember when he was concerned he wouldn't still be alive to see the LotR films released in theatres, and that was 10 years ago.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    DARTH VADER IS LUKES FATHER.

    by chainsaw autotune

    its true. no srsly.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG

    by 2soon2eat

    Oh....no....so bad....hurts my brain.....worst name ever?

  • got some nice shots of saying goodbye to folks though. That was cool.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    d.vader

    by James

    He responded to the issue on Twitter. *Fuck off*, he said. He's a real class act.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    jedenw: not really.

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Dandelion, I've read the Bible as well

    by donkey_lasher

    Not because everyone else has, but because it intrigued me historically and gave me an insight into peoples belief. Do you have trouble with colors and see everything as black and white?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    You dumbasses just don't get it.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Nothing that a person of average intelligence should deduce from the LOTR films can possibly be considered a spoiler for a PREQUEL to the LOTR films. Leave the books out of it if you want. That's why it can never possibly be a spoiler that, say, Bilbo finds the ring. Or that Bilbo lives. Or that Balin lives, at least to anyone halfway observant. Hence my mockery. Sorry to have to explain it to you like you're four fucking years old, but renetabard made it necessary. They're beefing up the Necromancer character, which is really just an offhand reference to a minor part of Sauron's overall history, and using that to fill some of the space so they can stretch this into three films. And if there's a part of the story where an evil figure who can't take physical form has crept back into the world and is gathering orcs and trolls to a fortress to fight the elves of Mirkwood and Lorien, a viewer of average intelligence is going to say, COOL SAURON IS IN THIS, YAY!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb what's the title of that '87 name?

    by jack

    or was it a random example?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    OMG THE FACIST REGIME IS FORCING ME TO READ HARRY POTTER

    by donkey_lasher

    I ALSO HATE APPLE AND IT'S MIND CONTROL DEVICE, THE IPHONE

  • Or that Padme gives birth to twins. WE ALREADY KNOW THESE PARTS OF THE STORY. That's what makes it these movies prequels.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    sex three times

    by stvnhthr

    Why is anyone complaining about there being three movies? It is like finding out you get to have sex three times on the weekend instead of twice.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Fluffyunbound

    by donkey_lasher

    I agree, when the reviews come in and the promotional material, people are going to be spoiled all over the world. Yet I bet there won't be as many hurt as on this forum. Good ol' AICN eh? Jesus, Imagine if Harry had written the article. The knives would be out and there's be an angry mob (bashing away at keyboards furiously)

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    ultratron what?

    by jack

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    History is not true.

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST

    ultratron no, it is part of the Matrix source code.

    by jack

    blue or red pill?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I imagine some of it is but damn. Ya know?

    by UltraTron

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    ultratron, maybe

    by jack

  • on records. The aesthetics yada yada. Frankly I always sigh. The iPad destroys traditional books. Lays fucking waste to them. I know. Evil demon machines. Now just tell me which kills more trees. The iPad I already have or a new book. I would bet the iPad being powered is killing more but I don't know. All I know is perfect size text and screen brightness adjusted to where your eyes drink in words faster than ever before.

  • There are different kinds of geeks, you see, who all come here. I'm a comic-book/movie geek, never read Tolkien or indeed much fantasy but still love the movie versions of many of the books. So that was a spoiler for me. I dont come here to read spoilers Guess this kid ( I'm assuming ) Nordling didn't think that far ahead when he wrote what he did. Immaturely, he's painted himself into a corner and he's not man enough to admit it and apologize.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST

    "and so we'll see them all." LOL

    by PotSmokinAlien

    Guess again, pal.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit!

    by Magnus Greel

    Now with MORE quasi-homoerotic endings!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    ROSEBUD IS HIS SLED!!!!

    by tangcameo

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST

    The Hobitt 3: Silmarillion The Prequel Part 1

    by tangcameo

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    HA, HA, HA!!! A glorious Talkback.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Full of insults, mockery, nerdiness, and speculation. So much more fun than anything involving those dead-ender trolls in the political TBs. May THE HOBBIT (X3) bring forth all that is enjoyable about this place...one last time.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    All the moaning about spoilers

    by LarkStew

    It's not a spoiler if you've read the book. And if you haven't, who did you expect the Necromancer would be? Hmmmm... a powerful sorcerer out to dominate Middle Earth... sound familiar...anyone?

  • to read book instead of the iPad? the ipad is more suitable for comics and technical pdfs while the e-readers more suitable for books because their screens reflect light instead of emmiting, thus making reading more relaxed for the eyes.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Hobbit III: Fifty Shades of Gandalf the Grey

    by Ingeld

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    fluffy unbound

    by Rebel Scumb

    It's not the same as the star wars prequels, because those were entirely marketed as being the origin story of Darth Vader, and from the originals we know that Anakin is darth vader The SW prequels are not made for people who have never seen star wars, they rely on your knowledge of the originals, and also spoil all the twists of the originals The Hobbit is not about the Necromancer. The necromancer isn't even in the book, just mentioned, and Sauron hadn't even been thought up when Tolkien wrote the Hobbit. There is no reason going into a movie of The Hobbit to ever expect that Sauron would be in it, since he's not in the book. The Hobbit is not a story about The Rise of Sauron.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    judenw - random example

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Hobbits are the new ewoks

    by dioxholsters_scion

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    larkstew - why would anyone expect the necromancer to be anyone?

    by Rebel Scumb

    Especially considering that Tolkien didn`t even consider that part of the story important enough to include in the novel itself. It was some threat that Gandalf and the council had to address.

  • They're just random monsters/baddies in middle earth

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Sauron and Smaug related??

    by darthwaz1

    Why the same voice actor? hmmm....?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST

    unlike star wars, there is nothing in this prequel that we need to see

    by dioxholsters_scion

    we saw how it ended, what is all this then? more rings? you guys think lord of rings is still popular? look what, its not. no one is expecting these movies, its john carter career suicide to begin with let alone three. you people are a joke

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    ereaders

    by Rebel Scumb

    I read a lot, and I can certainly see the advantage of one of these, I guess I'm just old fashion and a resistant to new technology. I only got a cellphone for the first time a 2 1/2 years ago. I wonder though, between netflix/downloads, MP3s, and eBooks, what the hell are people going to put on their shelves when all of their media content is intangible data files? Has Ikea thought about this? What will be the point of shelves anymore without albums, dvds, blu-rays, books, photographs, videogame discs, etc? I guess personally I just like to be able to hold what I own in my hand, as opposed to it just being a file I've licensed. But nothing against the people who like all the stuff, the appeal is obvious. I'm just a curmudgeony 99 year old man stuck in a 33 year old body

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    diox

    by Rebel Scumb

    The Hobbit at least is based on content that has already been around for decades. and was actually written BEFORE LotR, the prequels are just something Lucas cobbled together from 12 pages of handwritten notes and set it before the SW trilogy, then claimed he had it planned all along, then years later at the LOST finale party admitted he never had any of it planned (original trilogy included) at all and just told people that to... well to lie to them I guess. The Hobbit is proven material that people the world over love, whether it will be adapted successfully remains to be seen, but as someone who loved the LotR movie trilogy (and the books before them) I think there's a good chance the Hobbit films will turn out well.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Nordling on Twitter

    by James

    *There's an expiration date to spoilers and I'm calling it.* Who died and made you King Shit of Turd Hill, Nordling? Issuing protocol like some kind of Geek Czar. Your ego's out of control, fella.

  • People aren't born with knowledge of The Hobbit. Just because it's old doesn't mean younger people should be robbed of the chance to read it for themselves without getting spoiled by some douche. Example: When I was a kid, I watched a TV show where they for some reason suddenly showed the end of Planet of the Apes, which I had never had a chance yet to watch at that point. That is one epic surprise twist I never had the opportunity to experience for myself. Was that "my own damn fault" as well?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST

    THEY FORGOT TO USE ''RISE'' IN ONE OF THE TITLES

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    after game of thrones, i dont expect people to be crazy about this

    by dioxholsters_scion

    the multiple endings of the third movie was more than i could bear

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST

    if you havent read the hobbit until now you are not welcome on AICN

    by dioxholsters_scion

    thats what they are trying to say.

  • thats what i told my parents when they wanted to come over

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Leia is Luke's sister. You heard it here first.

    by Mr. Pricklepants

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    and who is this Scott Weinberg guy?

    by James

    He says that Nordling's readers can 'Suck his entire dick' if they're 'bitching' about Nordling spoiling parts of The Hobbit. Thanks for re-tweeting that so people can see what you really think of your readership.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Nordling On twitter

    by DZ

    *I got no patience for people who think revealing plot points from a DECADES OLD book is spoilery. The Necromancer = Sauron. Fuck off.* And I got no patience for assholes who are paid to write for movie sites and spoil movies for no reason. Except when we say fuck off yo lose readers and revenue. Go stick you tongue up Harrys asshole

  • Okay, I made that up.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST

    I think this mr incredible might be a gay

    by ajit maholtra

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Okay, it's 3 movies now, but how long will they be?

    by Jason

    If they're all 2.5-3 hours like LotR, that seals the deal on Peter Jackson being the most self-indulgent director of all time.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Thrones (well, someone metioned it)...

    by FreeBeer

    ...I'd love it if they ended up doing what they were trying to do with the Dark Tower books, a mixture of seasons on television (to do justice to the characters and story) and theatrical films (to do justice to the epic battles)

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Although they did do a goodjob of Blackwater

    by FreeBeer

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Spoiling adaptations

    by SUPERJIM

    Someone here did the same thing on a Hunger Games sequel article last week or so. I know that franchise isn't in the same league, but it was still pretty fucking arrogant and douchy. Just because the information is out there in a book doesn't mean you can spoil the movie. As movie fans the writers here surely realise that people sometimes wait until after seeing a movie before they read the book. It wouldn't kill them to just stick a fucking spoiler warning on there. I think the rule should be info like that is considered a spoiler until the movie is out and most people have had the chance to see it, especially on a movie website.

  • Oops! I spoiled it!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound....

    by john

    i never said what you were saying didn't make sense though I didn't give you a "I see what you did there! *high five!*" I was merely saying that your examples of "spoilers that can be deduced by LOTR" aren't a fair comparison to the spoiler in question here. And posting ten posts in a row makes you look like a huge douche. Hence, you sound like a fucking moron and should fall on your sword immediately and I stand by that.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I will pay for one movie, one....

    by happybunni

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Ten posts in a row is the rule, eh?

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    BRUCE WILLIS IS HIMSELF ONE OF THE GHOSTS

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    LUKE BLOWS UP THE DEATH STAR

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    ET COMES BACK TO LIFE AND HIS SPACE SHIP COMES BACK FOR HIM

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    KATNISS' SISTER GETS BLOWN UP AT THE END OF THE THIRD BOOK

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    T E LAWRENCE GETS RAPED BY A TURK

    by FluffyUnbound

  • The two best options being... The Hobbit: Fire and Water or the best... The Hobbit: The Gathering of the Clouds

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    DOROTHY GETS BACK TO KANSAS IN THE END AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST

    RHETT AND SCARLETT'S DAUGHTER DIES IN A HORSE RIDING ACCIDENT

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    PEE WEE GETS HIT BY A CAR AND MICKEY ROONEY CRIES

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    TOM HANKS AND MEG RYAN GET TOGETHER AT THE END

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    FLIGHT 93 CRASHES IN A FIELD IN PENNSYLVANIA

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Wow, this guy is a real madarchod

    by ajit maholtra

  • OK, I think I went one over.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST

    *I think this mr incredible might be a gay*

    by Mr. Pricklepants

    I think not. Let's see, Scarlett Johannson or Chris Hemsworth? Nope, definitely not Chris Hemsworth. Scarlett Johansson? SCHWING!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Hey jerkoff, books might be pretty old but...

    by cockdiesel

    What percentage of people who read The Hobbit do you think actually read the appendices and such that the extra movies are based on? Spoiler alert would have been appreciated. A postback I could expect this from but from an actual staff writer...you should know better.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    TIM ROTH IS THE UNDERCOVER COP AND THE RAT

    by FluffyUnbound

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Naw, man, I'm making all these up.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Seriously, would Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan actually get together at the end? No way.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    For a website seemingly devoted to the love of storytelling,...

    by Laughing Boy

    ... for a reporter of said website to preclude a story from unfolding to interested parties on their own timetable is truly despicable. And for that reporter to tell us it's our own damn fault is simply inexcusable. Nordling should be fired. Think about what this site represents and there can be no higher crime.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Not to harp on it, but...

    by Brian Hopper

    The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug The Hobbit: There and Back Again Which one doesn't fit? #2 is a weirdly specific title relative to the mythic quality of the titles of 1 and 3. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey The Hobbit: The Gathering of the Clouds The Hobbit: There and Back Again ...works much better. OK I'll shut up now. Glad Pete divided into 3 movies and can't wait for all of them.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    FluffyUnbound not only have you shown your stupidity....

    by john

    in not realizing why all of those aren't even a good or apt comparison, but the fact that you apparently have nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon than troll the AICN message board. Please don't pro-create or vote, as both would just yield disastrous results.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    It's been literally more than twenty years since I've read The Hobbit.

    by DanielnocharismaCraig

    But even from what I remember, I can't see how they can justify stretching this out to more than three movies. The Hobbit itself is just one book with much less going on from Bilbo's POV, than compared with the massve juggernaught that LOTR later turned into. It was just a childrens story that Tolkien intended. This is really a bad omen imo. They are going to have to film so much filler to stretch this out, it will either turn into a borefest, or just butcher the source material. This isn't necessary. One three hour movie is all you need with the proper ending.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Do spoilers ruin a story?

    by NotEnoughBiehn

    I think not, unless it's a mystery tale. Craft is more important than surprises. I still enjoy ESB the same as I did the first time.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Kinda with Nordling on this.

    by Mostholy

    All of these douchenozzles being like "No I haven't read the book I have a life." Er...it's THE HOBBIT - you should have read in elementary school. And I don't care if you're Kanye fucking West, your life is not so exciting that you couldn't ever pick up a classic kids' book that's been out for 75 years and takes all of 75 minutes to read from cover to cover. If you didn't, so be it -- but don't be bitching about spoilers now. Here's a few more - Alice escapes from Wonderland. The Wizard of Oz is a fraud. And Ahab goes down with the whale. In other words, yes, I'm calling you stupid. We're in a war against stupidity in this world, and we're losing. Time to stop coddling the ignorant.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Jack and Tyler Durden are the same person!

    by Aiden Blackwell

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Hahaha! You win! Brilliant!

    by Aiden Blackwell

  • ????

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    also, he said the word spoil twice before you got to that part.

    by billandted

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Nordling and spoilers

    by A_Banned_Apart

    Sir: you yourself identified the Necromancer info as somewhat spoilerish, yet chose to not give a true warning. Now that some folks have expressed some frustration with that, you take to Twitter (rather than, say, HERE) to say that it's not a spoiler because it's from an old book. If this were a site about the discussion of old books, you might have a point. If you were spoiling a 75 year old film, you might have a point. But it's still bad form to treat your readership in the manner you have. Let's say someone's filming a new version of Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None". The book's been out for years, and there have been several film versions of it to boot. It would still be pretty crappy to spoil the ending for AICN readers because you assume that interest in a film=complete knowledge of its source material. Now to be fair, what you've given away in your article doesn't appear to be a HUGE deal. But your attitude toward this matter is rather poor. What I take away from it is that a) anyone who has yet to read the books is not worthy to read your movie articles, and b) you are so arrogant to believe that nothing worth consuming could possibly escape your attention. I truly hope that's not how you actually feel, but that's what it's coming off as right now.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    kind of unneccesary

    by James

    All he had to do was put a spoiler box on the article and it wouldn't have been a thing. He had to be a asshole and purposefully put that shit in there with no warning just to piss people off. Then he says *it's your own damn fault* and goes on Twitter telling people who don't like it to *fuck off* and re-tweets some slimeball telling us to *suck his entire dick* if we have a problem with his spoiler. Who knows what his hostile attitude is all about, but it doesn't seem like this site is in the greatest shape to have someone with that kind of personality overtly fucking with it's readers just for shits and giggles.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Goddman Fag elves everyone is tired of this Nerd shit

    by chien_sale

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    The Necromancer is barely mentioned in The Hobbit

    by Rage_Against_Martin_Sheen

    Whatever bloated, overwraught adventures Gandalf gets into during this "trilogy" to discover his secret is pure Peter Jackson. Also, I remember reading the Hobbit and upon the mere mention of the Necromancer thinking, "Hmm well we all know who that is." I didn't enjoy the LOTR's movies and the book, The Hobbit, has too special a place in my heart. I'll be skipping these.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Thanks to Unfinished Tales and the Appendices

    by donkey_lasher

    That's how we will get the extra footage to pad out the three films. I wonder if the beginning will actually have Thrain in it?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Haters, this can easily be three movies. (three good movies)

    by Brian Hopper

    There is more than enough material. As I've said in previous talkbacks, Battle of Five Armies could take up a big chunk of a single movie (movie #3, it appears). In the book it's confined to less than a single chapter if I remember correctly, but it doesn't take much imagination to see how awesome an expanded look at Battle of Five Armies could be in Jackson's hands. Fanboys are WAY too reverential toward source material, Tolkien in particular. I'm a Tolkien fan since I was a kid, and I am 100% on board with an expanded look at the journey of Bilbo and his comrades. The Hobbit is a terrific piece of children's literature, but it is just that: kiddie lit. As great as he is, Tolkien is not Shakespeare. Jackson has to de-kiddify this thing a bit and add a few of the LOTR-style trappings or no one will see it. Everything I've seen so far demonstrates that PJ completely understands how to approach this material. Can't wait.

  • how pathetic is that? next time Hollywood will start making movies based on the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Dude, they make movies from toys. Gimme a break.

    by Brian Hopper

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Thanks aremisslake. Well, Nordling is acting like a child

    by D.Vader

    Telling his readers to "fuck off"? Wow, that's real mature. Where did Harry find this guy? I don't care how close friends we were, if my friend worked for me and told our fans/readers/business consumers that, he'd be punished. That's absolutely ridiculous behavior.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Title changed!

    by epitone

    THE HOBBIT 3: TWO HOURS OF ELIJAH WOOD JOKING ABOUT WEARING BIG HOBBIT FEET AND PETER JACKSON TALKING ABOUT USING A MIX OF CGI AND PRACTICAL EFFECTS

  • My best friend always got mad at me when I go to see them with him in the theatre because I always fell asleep halfway through each movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    popeofchina

    by Raptor Jesus

    Soylent green is people? FUCK YOU!

  • because if that's the case, it is not.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Tough luck retardabard

    by FluffyUnbound

    Take my word for it: Any viewer who shows up to see one or more of these HOBBIT movies who doesn't instantly realize that the Necromancer is Sauron is fucking retarded and is literally beneath the concern of people of normal intelligence or above. I bet you were biting your nails wondering whether Palpatine would become the Emperor, too. BTW, you really do have chromosome damage (too bad your mom didn't know about amniocentesis) if you didn't realize that the second set of all-caps spoilers are jokes. The Necromancer 'spoiler' fits in quite nicely with the first set of joke spoilers I posted, thank you very much.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Might not be a huge deal.

    by Skraggo

    Well, it remains to be seen how Jackson is going to play this Necromancer subplot. If he's hoping to build to the surprise revelation about Sauron, a la some kind of "Empire Strikes Back" gotcha moment, then Nordling probably did shit in the punchbowl here. But there's still the possibility that Jackson will play it in a way that makes the Necromancer's identity obvious to the audience, if not to Gandalf and the council. I don't know. Ultimately I think it's a little weird to be cramming that subplot into the story of Bilbo's journey in the first place. I can understand if some folks here didn't know who the Necromancer is, though I must admit it's a bit surprising to me. I just kind of thought it was one of those little nuggets of info that you eventually came across as fans of LOTR and Tolkien. At any rate, the wisdom of Nordling's decision aside, I will admit that he's acting a bit on the petulant side with the way he's responded to the criticism. And yeah, Nordling, you DID say it was a spoiler in your post and then willfully "spoiled" it. Why would you write that if you honestly didn't think it was possible to spoil decades-old information? I just did a little web search and discovered that most websites reporting on these movies, and especially on Benedict Cumberbatch's role, immediately revealed the Necromancer to be Sauron. Doesn't mean it's necessarily right to do that, but it also means that Nordling isn't alone. Maybe it won't end up mattering. Maybe Jackson isn't planning to play the Necromancer as a surprise twist. Ultimately, I think it's going to be a minor thing. Bilbo's story should be the heart of this trilogy. I hope Jackson keeps the focus there and doesn't get too sidetracked with all this Dol Guldur stuff.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    These could easily be 3 movies

    by Beebop

    With all of the supplmental material that's available. HOWEVER - that doesn't mean they need to be 3 hours long each. 2-2.5 should easily cover it, especially since they've added a third one to the mix. 3 hours each? Now you're talking about bloat (which Jackson DEFINITELY has a habit of doing)

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3; Two more than was needed

    by elmo

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3; More Milk from the Dead Cow

    by elmo

  • Second film will be all about Smaug. Third film will be the aftermath. I would have preferred On the Dragon's Doorstep for the second movie title.

  • While we're at it, we can even complain about his previous Tolkien movies! Ooh, especially the one that tied with Ben Hur for the most Academy Awards of all time! Boy, did that movie ever suck!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    The third one will be called:

    by david starling

    We're going to milk this, until you stop being nice, and start dribbling at the corners of your mouth!!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST

    It's called JAMIE KENNEDY: STARRING BILBO BAGGINS

    by Fa Fa Fooey

    I thought he was in the movie!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG...Rolls right off the tongue.

    by Orionsangels

    I'll have two tickets for...THE HOBBIT: THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Yes, only virgins will go see the Hobbit movies.

    by frank

    Just like the LotR movies, which were also only viewed by virgins. Good point, bobo_vision. Keep up the astute observations!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Also, I like CTMs new handle

    by frank

    hopefully he will get to keep that one for a while.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    It

    by frank

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    It's not really a spoiler though, is it?

    by frank

    The Necromancer isn't revealed to be Sauron in The Hobbit to my recollection. I guess I can see the argument, but it was never meant by Tolkien to be any kind of twist in the story. My understanding was that the Necromancer was sort of retconned into being Sauron while Tolkien was coming up with the story for Lord of the Rings. Otherwise he might have just referred to him as Sauron in the Hobbit.

  • But I still wouldn't consider it to be a twist, exactly. Jackson could maybe make it into one, but I wouldn't say that Tolkien meant for it to be.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    I never thought I'd be in a world where Peter Jackson is a prick

    by melonman

    But he just had to sceam out "Make it so"!

  • Jackson is a hack.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Three movies? What a dumb idea

    by coosawatchie

    Why stop at 3? Jackson should make 7 Hobbit movies. Seriously, this is punk bullshit.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    Honestly... cool

    by Jeff

    "The Desolation of Smaug." I think that's a pretty badass title. I wasn't sure what to think of these films at first, but I've liked what I've seen in the weblogs and for some reason I just think these films will rock harder than people are expecting. I mean, Smaug is the prototype for every dragon that's ever appeared in any 20th century fantasy novel or movie. He's the shit. He's the scaly, fire-breathing hellion that every other post-LOTR fantasy novel copies. The fact we get an entire movie dedicated to Smaug's fiery, city-leveling exploits and the backlash against him... Fuck yeah. I'm excited to see the second and third films.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Thanks Nordling

    by A_Banned_Apart

    I appreciate you hearing us and adding the Spoiler box. We now resume our scheduled TB in which we argue over, uh, anything else.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Desolation" equals "Wasteland

    by Ringwearer9

    The Wasteland of Smaug. Would that make you happy?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST

    It makes sense to call the third movie "There and Back Again."

    by William Foley

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST

    It makes sense to call the third movie, "There and Back Again"

    by William Foley

    Can't wait!!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3D: Still Hobbiton!

    by ironburl

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT 2: HOBB HARDER

    by Darth_Inedible

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT III: SMAUG'S IN IT

    by Liquid Meddle

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Hey Nordling.. Do you like apples?

    by james glaus

    Well, you changed the heading. How do you like THEM APPLES???

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Dandelion? DANDELION???

    by D.Vader

    BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT IS as well known as THE LORD OF THE RINGS....

    by Lord Elric

    For those who do that weird old thing called READING. For God's sake it was even a video game a few years back. Sorry, I have not a lot of sympathy for genre fans who can't be bothered to pick up a book. That said, the second title sounds a bit...ermmm...ponderous. Imagine asking "I'd like ticket for The Desolation Of Smaug, please". Still, more Tolkien, while the chance is there, is always good. Doubtful we'll see any more Tolkien based movies. At least for quite a while.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Nordling didn't check his own sources, so I don't believe this news

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I wasn't laughing at that idea, Dandy

    by D.Vader

    I was laughing at your new screenname.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST

    I have no doubt you'd do better than Nordling, however

    by D.Vader

    But you'd insult the talkbackers just as much as he does I think.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    Call it HOBB III !!

    by keybored

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Hahahah, I don't think many talkbacks deserve it

    by D.Vader

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST

    HOBBIT 2: ELECTRIC BILBOLOO

    by Darthkrusty

    Can't wait to hear Sir Ian's pronunciation of... "The Necromancer"

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    @ darthtrifecta: I'm about to blow your mind with this

    by cgih8r

    If you scroll down below the "Subject" box ( should only be a few clicks down) there is a second box titled "Comment". That's not even the cool part....waaait foooor iiiiit...sitting down? good. You can write as much as you want in the "Comment" box and this will save you from having to make a LARGE number of unnecessary posts. What's cool about not having to post so many times is that you won't be mistaken for an attention desperate loser that measures himself by the amount of replies he gets on talk backs. Because we know that's not you. Oh and BTW, your CAPS lock is on. You're welcome.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Look at that, a spoiler box.

    by James

    lol

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Faster Pussyhobbit! Kill! Kill!

    by animatronicmojo

    Also coming soon: Abraham Lincoln: Hobbit Killer, Hobbit With A Shotgun, Battlehobbit, The Amazing Spider-Hobbit, The Hobbitlander, Robohobbit, The Invisible Hobbit, Frankenhobbit, Logan's Hobbit, Starship Hobbits, Smokey and the Hobbit, Night of the Living Hobbit, Dawn of the Hobbit, Day of the Hobbit, AvH, HvP, AvHvP, The Hobbit Hooker, Transhobbitformers, Hobbit & Maude, The Muppet Hobbits, Ordinary Hobbits, Hobbits on Ice, and A Night at the Lord of the Rings Theme Park

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3: Were finally fucking there

    by Balkin Flabgurter

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST

    What utter crap

    by Stuart-Renton

    So you are asking for no spoiler warnings on a 300 page book with the comment that you have 'a life'! What utter tosh. Maybe if you had a life you would have spent time reading the classics, rather than posting ignorant crap on the Internet. /sigh. The Internet never ceases to depress me.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Spoiler! No doubt orders from above

    by BenBraddock

    Thankfully someone with sense was paying attention in here.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST

    ajit_maholtra

    by James

    That's a good question. How bout it, Nordling? Should we all still go suck Scott Weinberg's cock then fuck off, according to your postings on your Twitter profile that this article links to?

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 2:32 a.m. CST

    I will be one of the only i guess to say it makes sense..

    by Balkin Flabgurter

    The three movies will most likely have the adventure up to the misty mountains and Bilbo finding the ring in #1, Bilbo n the dwarves escaping the misty mountains and meeting up with Beorn and venturing to mirkwood where they are captured in #2, and the subsequent trip to Dale and the battle with smog and the five armies in #3. who knows it could be really good, most of all..detailed! The most potential lies in #3, they are probably doing this to make the end battle sequence and the fight with Smaug insanely epic!

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    spoiler does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    *We wont put a spoiler box on. Fuck them. No we wont. Fucking hates my readers. We wont do it, we wont, we wont, we wont.* NordlingGollum *But Master Harry might tells us off. All those readers making a such big noise. We knows were wrong but we cant admits it.* NordlingSmeagol *They can sucks our dicks. Told them on Twitter precious. Hates the readers. Wont put a spoiler on!* NordlingGollum *We could let HER do it?* *Yes... we could let her do it.* *Whats Yokos number?*

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 3:35 a.m. CST

    I liked the idea of this being 2 movies

    by Winston Smith

    That was perfect. 3 is too much, especially since Peter Jackson's greatest flaw as a director is an inability to edit down material (King Kong for example). So this doesn't fill me with confidence. I have a feeling all three films will be decent, and certainly watchable, but that the second two will feel like one film split apart. I think the middle film will probably suffer the most, since the first film cannot be that changed from what it was going to be, and the final film will have the big battles. Then again, I've always been a quality over quantity kinda guy. I'd love to be proven wrong, and obviously I'm going to go see these films, but what I thought was a perfect choice I now think is overkill, and it especially worries me that Jackson came to this decision so late in the process. After seeing what happened with Kong and Lovely Bones, I don't have faith that it'll feel natural and that there won't be some major pacing problems. Film #2 is the one I'm probably least interested in too.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Should be called F@#k You George Lucas Parts 4,5, and 6.

    by Andy

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 4:12 a.m. CST

    by Andy

    correction parts 1,2 and 3.

  • ... and NO APOLOGY from Norling. Total shit, man.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST

    HOBBIT 4- YET ANOTHER SHIT MADE UP TITLE BY UNFUNNY NECKBEARDS

    by donkey_lasher

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST

    AND IT HAS TO BE IN CAPITALS

    by donkey_lasher

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:24 a.m. CST

    BECAUSE IM A FULL OF SELF IMPORTANCE AND WANT TO BE RECOGNISED

    by donkey_lasher

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Why the fuss the Necromancer was nothing more than

    by spike fan

    a plot device in order for Gandalf to be seperated from Bilbo and the Dwarves before Mirkwood forrest so Bilbo could devolp and grow as a charachter. Nothing more nothing less. The Necromancer was only made Sauron as an after thought in Lord of the Rings simply to connect some dots. Yet people are comparing it to the Vader is Lukes father revelation good grief.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Just wanna say of course its a money grab

    by spike fan

    Its like when Kill Bill was 1 film made into 2. If Studios know schmucks will pay twice to see the same film of course they will do it. Just to be clear I thought the Hobbit the best of Tolkiens works (better even than Lord of the Rings the sequel) and the best children story ever writen. With Bilbo my fave charachter with great devolpment but its not about turning Tolkiens story in a visual form but about squeezing as much money as possible from it

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Glad to have a 3rd film!!

    by SilentXero

    I'm extremely happy that they've made the decision to extend it to a third film, as it can cover more events outside of the Hobbit that actually pertain to The Lord of the Rings films. I know that they're using the appendices from Return of the King, but also heard that Unfinished Tales and parts of Lost Book of Tales (parts 1 and 2 ) may be added to the back story. I would love to see the Silmarilion filmed as a trilogy as well, even though it would need to be told through a narrator (either Gandalf ,Elrond or Galadriel). I actually hope there is a similar opening narration montage similar to Fellowship of the Ring, regarding the fall of Melkor/Morgoth, but that's just my wishful thinking. Jackson did a great job with the original trilogy; I trust he will do the same for The Hobbit. I just wish he would "George Lucas it" and re-release The Fellowship of the Rings Special Edition with Tom Bombadill and Old Man Willow before Frodo and company get to Bree.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Hobbit V: Hobbitual Offenders.

    by Skankardly

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Quaid dreamt it all!!!

    by Aiden Blackwell

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    He's going Lucas-prequel on us

    by JadedCynic

    Too much license.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Because Nordling has read all books older than a decade.

    by Gabe Athouse

    Unless they didn't have hobbits in them, because fuck that shit.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST

    I think 3 movies could work

    by ghost_matt

    I HATED the idea when it was first announced, but the more I think about it the more I think it can work (and be really good). The first movie will end at the same place it was originally going to before they decided to make it a trilogy, with Bilbo and the dwarves escaping from the elves. The 13 dwarves will be fleshed out a bit more than they were in the book and each have their own personality and arc. We may get to see some of the history of the dwarves (Moria, etc.) in flashback and see Smaug destroying Dale. The second movie will end with Smaug dying and have all the stuff with the White Council and Battle of Dol Goldur mixed in. It will end with Bilbo leading the dwarves out of the Lonely Mountain and seeing the armies massing. The third movie will be an epic Battle of Five Armies. Come on, did you think PJ was going to make it a bunch of dots fighting each other for two minutes like in the cartoon? The Battle of Helm's Deep was a few pages in the book and he made it an hour long, I expect the same here. Plus, all those dwarves with added story arcs need resolution. There have also been rumors of the Necromancer, perhaps in weakened form, showing up at the head of the goblin army to put up one last fight. I can see it working.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    ghost_matt with AVATAR Jim Cameron promised viewers, and I quote, *the mother of all battles*.... it didnt deliver. With the extra screen time and breathing space of 3 films the battle of the 5 armies could deliver on that promise!

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit 2: Orsoning The Bean

    by Ralph Furley

    Peel that geek onion. Furley Out!

  • Sept. 2, 2012, noon CST

    spike fan, "Why all the fuss," because...

    by Dreamwriter

    Because the movie is making it a big deal. People are complaining that this article gave away the spoiler to a major plotpoint of this trilogy of movies. The fact that it was barely even mentioned in the main parts of the books makes it even WORSE that he spoiled it for people, because even many people who have read the books wouldn't have known about it. The whole point of turning this into three movies is that Peter Jackson wanted to film more things that would tie The Hobbit to LOTR, and this article gave away the resolution to probably the biggest one of those. And as one person pointed out, this one could have been a big surprise to people, because all we saw of modern Sauron in the LOTR movies was a big flaming eyeball at the top of a tower, so seeing him in a different form suddenly changing into that eyeball could be a huge deal for people.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    *...it didnt deliver*

    by jack

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh boy, the final battle in Avatar didn't deliver? only if you are dead inside you.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    *all those dwarves with added story arcs need resolution.*

    by jack

    i am sorry but what makes you to believe that this multi-millionaire movie trilogy targeted on a popcorn eater movie audience, will focus on the dwarfs like the book did? With the exception of the Thorin all the rest of the dwarfs will serve as comic relief and action thrills. They wont have arcs with resolutions, they will be like the Expendables: Bilbo,Thorin,Gandalf and some other human/elf guy will be the main cast while the rest of the dwarfs will be background characters. Really now, have you not learned yet the Jackson formula on how to turn masterpieces of literature into commercial products?

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    re: the spoiler

    by Ribbons

    On the one hand I don't see what the big deal is. Even if you didn't know that the Necromancer is Sauron, it doesn't seem like some huge twist that your enjoyment of the series is going to hinge on. It certainly wasn't presented as "spoiler" material in the books, and at this point even fanboys who know their Tolkien have no idea what the fuck is going on with these movies. So there's still plenty of room for surprise. On the other hand, if you think you might be telling people news that they'd rather not hear, NORDLING, why would you not err on the side of caution? Yes the books are incredibly old and expiration dates and Scott Weinberg's dick and blah blah blah, and if it just casually came up, people would have no right to be mad. But we saw you have the internal debate with yourself about whether people would maybe like to not know what you were about to say in the article, and then you dropped the bomb on them anyway, because... fuck it, that's why. I think that's what bothered people more than anything. It's just common courtesy, dude. I've read all the books and I already knew who the Necromancer was and it struck me as obnoxious.

  • It seems pretty clear to me that everything involving smaug will be in the second movie. His death will be the climax. The battle of five armies will be the climax of the third movie, followed by a lengthy epilogue that will be awesome but which people with short attention spans will complain about. Anyway, all three movies will be awesome, just like all 3 lotr movies were. Not perfect, but still awesome.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    I don't care if they make 6 movies

    by SlickyVonBoner

    I will see them all. One of my favorite books of all time.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Hobbit 3: Hairy Feet

    by superlaser

    Bilbo saves the day with a lively dance number set to a pop song!

  • LOL! Jesus H Christ folks. Sorry but there is a statue of limitations on spoilers. The Hobbit was released as a book in 1937. It was made into an animated film in 1977. If you aren't familiar with it by now then you are either a goddamn moron or someone that doesn't actually care enough about the source material to justify acting pissed off over a minor spoiler. Only you can say which is true of yourself. Furthermore knowing this information will do nothing to diminish the film. It's not like a murder mystery where someone reveals the identity of the unknown killer. 99.9999% of us going to see these movies knew this pretty glaringly obvious little factoid and yet we are still quite pumped to see them. It will do nothing to alter the experience one way or the other. So, go have your mom wipe the sand out of your little pussy, put on a fresh pair of Dora the Explorer underoos, and calm the fuck down.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST

    todd1700

    by Ribbons

    Love the rampant misogyny, but I thought that 99.99999% could have used an extra 9. There's also a "statue" of limitations (interesting choice of words given the content of your post) on making the same point that 100 people have already made. I know only nerds actually bother to read the threads they talk in (and even our track record is pretty bad as far as that goes), but you're not contributing anything new to the conversation. We are all painfully aware that The Hobbit came out in 1937, thanks. But feel free to let 'er rip with another weirdly detailed description of children's underwear.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Todd1700 is a Nordling sock puppet, um, fact?

    by PumaPride

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST

    todd1700

    by James

    Who's got the sandy vagina? You're like Nordling's drunk girlfriend flailing around with one titty hanging out. Just wipe your chin off and shut the fuck up, pud.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    todd, Nordling has a buddy on Twitter that wants a blowjob

    by James

    how bout you go hook him up?

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:01 p.m. CST

    Todd1700, I agree.

    by SlickyVonBoner

    If you don't want something spoiled... stay away from the internet. Some asshole spoiled the Thanos scene at the end of Avengers months before it came out in a spoiler free talkback. And I guess I just spoiled that for someone else for just mentioning it. The point is.... the internet is one big fucking spoiler.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit: Are we there yet?

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit Part 2: Are we there yet?

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit Part 3: Are were there... *Gandalf beheads Bilbo*

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Still looking forward to the Hobbit, even though Fili is a girl dwarf

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Sorry, did I spoil it?

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    Mock Outrage the New American Obsession

    by Todd1700

    But Todd I never read The Hobbit.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Only 3 possibilities.

    by Todd1700

    1. You have read The Hobbit but somehow did not figure out who the necromancer was. In this case you are a dumbass and should be far more concerned about that fact than spoilers. 2. You read The Hobbit but forgot about who he was. In this case stop worrying. If your memory is that bad then odds are you will have forgotten this information again by the time the movie comes out. 3. You didn't know this information because you have never read The Hobbit. In this case you really need to shut the fuck up. The Hobbit was published 75 years ago and has been hailed as a classic of childrens literature for the entirety of it's exstence. If you have never worked up enough interest to read it once inyour whole life then I find it incredibly hard to believe that you could be this offended over a minor spoiler involving a story that you never gave a rat ass about before.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Desolation of Smaug...

    by waslah

    Yeah, that's a terrible fucking title. Sounds like they threw 5 sub par film titles into a hat and drew at random or something.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    And as for Dandelion

    by Todd1700

    I'm sorry you are starved for attention because your mother leaves you alone all night while she's out turning tricks. But 8 year olds really shoudn't be playing on the internet unsupervised. Oh, and sorry to have to tell you this but those men she is out with are not your uncles. And that funny smell on her breathe when she comes home means you probably shouldn't kiss her on the lips.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    You SHOULD have read these books...

    by voxmortis

    But Nordling... most of us read these books 30+ years ago (decades!!) - and don't remember the finer points. You're 12, so read them last semester. Please think of us senile old twats next time you post quite specific details. K thanks.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    the Desolation of Smaug

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    They can't be serious with that. Is that supposed to be a prank title?

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST

    The Definitive Plan Should Be...

    by Brian

    to put these books to rest. let peter mop this up completely. these 3 movies can be justified thematically and monetarily. it'll be a wild ride and it will be fun to see this shit come to life. i feel these movies should be brisk when released in theaters. 2 hours running time and no more. drop the DVDs and add an hour to each. if it rocks the earth, re-release the 3 hour versions theatrically for 2 weeks and then peter jackson should put a pistol in his mouth because planet earth will be done with him AND the hobbits.

  • gormenghast has great character names...great ending as well....after like, 1,400 pages...highly recommend it, or at least look it up...book seems like it would be up some TBrs alley. ultra, don't make the triangle face, it scares me !

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 3:05 a.m. CST

    What the hell is going on here?

    by James

    Blatant, intentional spoilers posted IN ARTICLES by staff, pedophiles like todd1700 posting Dora the Explorer underoo fantasies in the talkbacks. Somebody needs to do something about this place, fast!

  • i'm gonna go watch firefly now, just kidding serenity is better.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST

    @aremisslake, Pedophile? Really?

    by Todd1700

    If your reading comprehension skills are that bad then do the world a favor and go stick the barrel of a revolver in your mouth and spray paint a wall. And please do it before you breed with another human.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 5:06 a.m. CST

    And Dandelion you are confusing me with...

    by Todd1700

    those men who pay your mother for the opportunity to offer you candy.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 5:52 a.m. CST

    todd1700

    by James

    *So, go have your mom wipe the sand out of your little pussy, put on a fresh pair of Dora the Explorer underoos* What is it about The Hobbit that gets you all hot and bothered and makes you need to post your skinner fantasies in here? This is a movie site, not a site for sick fucking creeps like you. GTFO.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Seriously CTM?

    by D.Vader

    Hahaha, oh boy this is getting to be like a crazy soap opera. And of course I'd believe I'd believe the new CTMR is you!

  • Loved LOTR books and movies. Thought The Hobbit was a bit kiddy and a much more basic story. Lucky to get one decent film out of that for my liking. Now three movies!!?? Maybe they've made loads of stuff up and relegated The Hobbit to a subplot.........works for me!!

  • I think that being called a whiney little pussy must have hit too close to home for somebody. LOL!

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST

    GREAT! Another trilogy dedicated to WALKING!

    by Dan

    GREAT! Smashing...wowza... Fuck off.

  • Actually, it was your troubling description of Dora the Explorer's underwear and body parts that drew concern. Maybe you and Harry can watch *A Serbian Film* together and enjoy yourselves, I think that's more your thing.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Ridiculous

    by Jarek

    A book that was barely long enough to do in one movie, gets expanded to three? Two was silly enough.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Well, they are going through with it, but...

    by Darkness

    it seems common now to make many movies out of one novel these days, as proven by, "Harry Potter", "Twilight", and now, "The Hunger Games". A 190 mins version of, "The Hobbit" would have been suffice: one long epic, with the eventuality of a longer extended cut. But no, Ladies and Germs - this is hollywood. For the studio: the third film will be ancillery to the original plan of two. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT: An Unexpected Trilogy.

    by nametaken

  • Also he types with all caps and thinks highschoolers will think he cool by having a catchphrase like "Fact!", but one that is as cliche as Meh or Fucktard. And he swears constantly like a little boy whose parents aren't around to hear him. I'm glad The Hobbit was spoiled for the whiney prick.

  • and the winner got some prize? was 2-3 years ago. anyone know where this could be?

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    nixonman, you mean this one?

    by Bobo_Vision

    http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35207

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    by nixonman

    yep thats othe one.thanks

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    bobovision, that was fucking magicl your date with your Uncle

    by nixonman

    did you guys blossom together?

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    SPOILER: Gandalf and Bilbo wont die in any of these movies.

    by Arcadian

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST

    FACT! ...Fact!

    by Liquid Meddle

    Uh.. Fact!

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST

    @ Dandelion

    by Jason

    Relax, dude - breathe, hug someone, and please shut the fuck up!!! You're either taking the piss that you haven't read THE HOBBIT or you've been living under a rock your whole life. A discussion of a book which is 75 years old - a very popular book - and you haven't read it or heard about the plot?! It you're so damn worried of plots details on AICN then piss off and don't come back!

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    the site won't let me "expand all"...

    by thomasjarvis

    I can't read any of the comments...Only the syubject headings. Its really frustrating...

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST

    apparantly I can still expand one comment at a time...

    by thomasjarvis

    But that seems rather tedious...Should be able to expand all at once, damn it...

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST

    The Itching of my Bunghole

    by Blarg Barfington

    The Desolation of fucking Smaug? Christ on a crutch! I haven't heard a title that fucking lame since The Phantom Menace!

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I wonder if Nordling has gotten threatened with a lawsuit from WB yet

    by Blarg Barfington

    Dude is spoiling the end of a multi-billion dollar property. I would think that would really piss them off. Maybe someone should drop them a line and see what they think about this.

  • orrrrrrrrrrrrr.... could it possibly be one of these situations where there's multiple accepted pronunciations?

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Didn't read the books when I was young...

    by Babba-Booey

    so I can't get John Huston & Orson Bean's voices out of my head when I try to read them today.

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit Part 3: Mo Money..Mo Money

    by bs9999

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Sorry to spoil these for ya....

    by Dan

    The New Testament- Jesus dies at the end The Great Gatsby- Gatsby dies at the end Agatha Christie novels- the Butler did it. Chinatown- She's my sister. (slap) my daughter. (slap) The Game- Yes it was...all in good fun.. Brazil- Michael Palin, actually killed Jonathan Price.

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Can't wait.

    by BilboRing

    I need a new keyboard and screen after reading this article.

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT: BLEEDING THE STONE DRY

    by Prem1x

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT: PARADING TOLKIEN'S CORPSE

    by Prem1x

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT: WE HAD NOTHING ELSE TO DO

    by Prem1x

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    THE HOBBIT: HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH? (ref. Breaking Bad)

    by Prem1x

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit 3: The Sickening

    by Dan

    The Hobbit: Bilbo with a Vengence The Hobbit: THe Search for a Plot The Hobbit: Yay! More FUCKING Walking! The Hobbit: Stop making these boring fucking movies!

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Post it all here.

    by in6087

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Lord of the Spoilers

    by animatronicmojo

    All this spoiler talk is ironically reminding me of when The Fellowship of the Rings was coming out way back in '01. I'd never been much of a fan of the sword & sorcerer / D&D genre, and so had never bothered to read The Lord of The Rings, nor was familiar with this universe outside of seeing Bass-Rankin's The Hobbit and Bakshi's truncated version. So, I was looking forward to going into Jackson's trilogy fresh especially in regards to the ending. Then, I read A.O. Scott's review of Fellowship in the NY Times, in which he talks about his own experience growing up with books, and then, without warning, casually drops a line about how at the end of The Return of the King... ***SPOILER ALERT*** Frodo throws the ring in the volcano and goes back to the shire. ***END SPOILER***! Now, I love reading A.O. Scott's cheekily insightful reviews, but I have to say that on that day I was a little pissed at reading the (rather obvious) denouement to an epic movie trilogy that had not even come out yet, and wrote him to say as much.

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    those who think it won't work just don't get it

    by steve

    Its all about how the Hobbit is written compared to the LOTR, its written very simply for children with no character development and little detail compared to the LOTR, for example the main battle in the Hobbit at the end of the book only gets about 2-3 pages of description, compare that to the Helms Deep battle in LOTR which is 20 pages long. Also we know the films will include other important events from the time which are not in the Hobbit as the book is seen only through Bilbos eyes and does not show the big picture, so the White Council and destruction of Dol Guldur along with a bigger history of the dwarves will lengthen the films not to mention giving the 13 dwarf characters personalities which will need screen time. I expect each film to be 2 to 2 and a half hours long, the first ending in mirkwood-with the spiders or capture by the elves, the 2nd dealing with Smaug and the 3rd the lead up to the battle of 5 armies then the battle inself followed by the return to the shire. Really looking forward to it my main complaint is Thorins way to short beard and sexy-klingon look to 'get the female viewers' he just doesn't look like a dwarf and with hardly any face make up his feature are to human and to young for the oldest dwarf of the 13.

  • Sept. 8, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST

    this news brings severl points to mind...

    by thomasjarvis

    1) While the new title is actually taken from the book (contrary to the false assumptions of far too many talkbackers), its still an overly-on-the-nose and incredibly unnatural sounding title...First you have 'An Unexpected Journey'...okay, sounds good so far...next, we were told we would be getting 'There and Back Again'...alright, I'm still with ya, sounds like a great sounding title for the epic conclusion...Oh, but hold on to your socks, now there's going to be a new installment to be sandwiched inbetween the other two, and it'll be called 'The Desolation of Smaug'!!...Wait, what?! Sounds too forced and obvious...almost reminds me of a generic, cobbled together , approved-by-commitee sub-title for a 'Transformers' sequel...'Revenge of the Fallen', Dark of the Moon', 'The Desolation of Cybertron'...! I do like some of the suggestions from other talkbackers/Ringers/Tolkienites, especially the chapter heading "Riddles in the Dark" (and to a lesser degree, "Gathering of the Clouds"--which I like, but it somewhat reminds me too much of "The Desolation of Smaug")...but, far more than either of those two, I agree with a certain select few on theonering.net who were championing the title "The Road Goes Ever On", which is also taken directly from the book... Okay, I realize how "The Road Goes Ever On" sounds a bit clunky and awkward at first, but... Put it next to the other two titles, and it makes good poetic sense... 1) 'An Unexpected Journey' 2) 'The Road Goes Ever On' 3) 'There and Back Again' Oh, one other thing...I see quite a few fellow talkbackers mentioning 'Unfinished Tales' and 'Book of Lost Tales' as additional source materials for the new films...But that can't be correct, can it? I mean the Tolkien estate wouldn't allow anything from those books to be used any moreso than they would 'The Silmarillion', right? My understanding was that Jackson and company would only be utilising the original book with supplemental material from the LOTR appendices..or am I mistaken about this? They can't use anything from 'Unfinished Tales', can they? What about Tolkien's once started but long ago abandoned re-write of 'The Hobbit' that would have turned the book into a more serious, mature and fitting prologue to LOTR...does that incomplete manuscript even still exist, and if so, would the studios have the rights to that material as well? I'm thinking not...

  • Nov. 21, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Hobbit 4: Kicking the Hobbit

    by Bob

    didn't see it, thought what the heck