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Herc’s Thursday TV Talkback!! Will Clint Eastwood Apologize To The RNC For That Car Ad? Plus LOUIE’s Late Show!! Britney’s BIG BROTHER Booting!! Bruce Willis On LETTERMAN!! Ben Stein On TAVIS!! Michael Steele On THE DAILY SHOW!! Jon Huntsman On COLBERT!

Clint Eastwood is rumored to appear before the Republican National Convention tonight. He took a lot of shit for that “Halftime In America” ad that seemed to imply Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress’ bailout of the American auto industry was successful. They all shut up when Clint squinted at them though.

The next three episodes of “Louie” appear to make up a single story entitled “The Late Show.” But the clip depicts Jay Leno and “The Tonight Show.”

Sadness with “Big Brother” tonight as all signs point to the expulsion of Britney Haynes Godwin, funniest (and hottest) of this season’s houseguests. I’ll still be watchihng but, boy, the live feeds will be a lot less entertaining.

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Thursdays, June 21-Aug. 23, 2012
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  • Aug. 30, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Clint has already apologized to Republicans twice...

    by PDepew2181

    ...first by consistently referring to the president as "Mr. Obama" instead of "President Obama," and, more recently and much more importantly, by endorsing Romney. Do they really need any further apology? Oh, right, I guess they do. He has to totally denounce everything he did in Million Dollar Baby.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Only chance Britney has is to convince Jenn & Joe

    by jim

    how dangerous Dan is, and that he's even more dangerous with Danielle around. By splitting them up, he is much more vulnerable. However, the same can be true of her and Shane and Ian. It's a hard sell, but I can't see any other out for her. Then again, I didn't see how Dan was going to get out of that, while still (potentially) saving Danielle, and he seems to have pulled that off (at the very least he did save himself).

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    RNC should apologize to Clint!

    by Andrew Coleman

    Clint Eastwood is what the RNC should be... Instead it has been taken over by lunatics who think by simply ignoring things will make them better. Oh they also have become insanely anti-women and racist. They essentially became Eastwood in Gran Tarino. We're very fucked if they win but who cares if you're white and rich like me you'll be fine. So if anything this will just be hilarious to watch during the campaign and if Mittens/Villainfromcriminalminds win.

  • If he ,on live tv nonetheless, were to pull a Will MacAvoy on them?

  • Seriously, isn't it just exhausting saying it? I'm exhausted hearing it...

  • The Democrats don't have anything to do except try to scare people away from voting Republican. They refuse to talk about their record the last 4 years. It's actually kind of amusing. They are going to spend next week trashing Republicans and trying to scare people. They won't be talking about their record, that's for sure...

  • It's kind of hard to keep calling a Party sexist and racist when so many women and minorities hold a position of prominence on the stage. Condoleeza Rice and Suzanna Martinez and Artur Davis and Marco Rubio and Mia Love and Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal (who couldn't be there for obvious reasons) and Allen West are all held in high esteem within the party and are rizing stars and were given Primetime Slots to speak. The prominent women in the Republican Party talk about foreign policy and economics and health care. Meanwhile, next week, the Dems are going to have Sandra Fluke on stage whining that no one is paying for her Birth Control, lol...

  • Doesn't that go both ways? Isn't that what it really boils down to for both parties? "Vote for us because the other guy who is out to get you but we can protect you from him"?

  • Are you really that shallow? Romney is going to get between 65 and 70 million votes in 2 months. Are every single one of us racist? And sexist? Do you honestly believe that?

  • Instead, he's got his SuperPAC out there accusing Romney of causing a woman's death. It's pathetic...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST

    @coughlins laws

    by Judge Briggs

    No, not every Republican is racist. However, Bill Maher put it perfectly, 'not all Republicans are racist but if you're racist, you're probably a Republican.' As for Obama's accomplishments, umm... go hit that google.com and hit 'Obama achievements,' and you'll see plenty if your partisan lenses allows for it. For me, I don't want to return to the days of George W. Bush and I am a defense contractor saying that! And look around ... the country is NOT getting whiter and right now, that doesn't bode well for the current makeup of the GOP platform, my dude. Hell, even Sen. Lindsay Graham said so much in an interview today.

  • I know you think it's funny cause no one really believes you, but it really hurts your credibility. I can't take anything you say about anything seriously. I assume everything you say is a lie because you start off every column with a lie. Maybe you do it to get hits to justify your column and sell your dirt to deadbeats. Yay Capitalism! But you are a dishonest person who can't ever be taken seriously, especially about poitics...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    @coughlins laws

    by Judge Briggs

    And Romney is NOT Reagan. Wow ... Can't believe you're making that comparison ... Romney has the lowest personal favorbility in modern history for any candidate running for POTUS. The dude isn't nearly as likeable as Reagan was.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Oh and one more thing coughlins laws

    by Judge Briggs

    Just because Herc doesn't perfectally align with the modern day GOP's platform, that doesn't make him a RINO ... it just goes to show that people like himself who are moderate are continually being pushed out by the fringe of the party. Ask Arlen Specter ... Colin Powell .... Charlie Crist ... all moderate GOP'ers. They are a dying breed these days.

  • Are you kidding me? When I see people obsessed with race, I see them mostly in the Democrat Party. And you are assuming that the racial breakdown of voters will always be the same and never change. That's a big assumption to make. The Latino community is more and more open to the Republican Party every year...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    New Republican Stereotype!!

    by gotilk

    They rage-type to the point where they forget they're going FAR beyond the subject character limit. Awesome. Well, it's not that they ALL rage type beyond the character limit, it's just that... well... if you find someone rage-typing past the character limit, there's a good chance they're Republican.

  • Uh Yeah, especially due to the GOP's stance when it comes to Immigration. MMMMKKAAAAYY

  • He's not Republican on anything. He doesn't support one single Republican candidate. He hates Fox News. He quotes Bill Maher and Howard Stern frequently, both Republican haters. He quotes the clowns on MSNBC. I've never seen him take a right of center position on anything. Maybe liar is too strong a word, it's probably some kind of satirical bit he's doing but to keep it going this long makes him dishonest in my book...

  • MMMMMMMKKKAAAAAAYYYYY

  • Democrats, the Party of Hate....

  • ...Bumping elbows in equal parts with transnational globalists and sociopathic FIRE economy megabanks, marching with the EU in a self-destructive neoliberal crusade to obstruct the planet's up-and-coming economies. Don't have a dog in this fight, but I'd savor the irony of watching Obama's campaign collapse as his former supporters (like yours truly) sat out the election to watch him lose instead. Poetic justice.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Have to watch the store, see y'all later!

    by Coughlins Laws

    Like I said, just compare this Convention with the Clusterfuck that'll happen next week. LOL

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Nice try coughy.

    by gotilk

    That whooshing sound you heard? Yeah. Next time look up.

  • The term, "backfire effect" was coined by political scientists Brendan Nyhan and Jason Reifler, who found that when conservatives' erroneous beliefs were confronted by factual rebuttals, they tended to double-down on those beliefs. The same dynamic wasn't observed with liberals (they weren't entirely swayed by the facts, but didn't show the same tendency to believe false information more strongly after being presented with them).

  • Second of all, if he was a Republican he would say what exactly he's Republican on. He can't name anything...

  • Two of the things on the fact check they tried to check with opinion. Another they didn't even refute what he said, they brought up an irrelevant point about Ryan's budget (which was based on the cuts from the Affordable Care Act)!!! The point is, the so-called fact check was copied from an email Ezra Klein sent out last night, a Democrat hack. It's complete bullshit...

  • which is not the party it is today. Quite a few of Reagan's advisors that are still alive have said the same thing. The party needs to move back from the far right position it is in now. Also you may think its a joke about the "war on women" but the the statements and laws these guys are trying to pass are real, and really scary to many women. For the record, Reagan was an extremely likeable, charismatic leader, but his policies have proven to be a disaster. And by the way, what were Reagan's achievements? He definitely didn't bring down the Soviet Union or the Berlin Wall..he just happen to be sitting on the pot when it happened. ( The collapse of the Soviet Union was because of the dramatic drop in oil prices which caused thei soviet economy to collapse...just so you know). Maybe it was helping to prop up Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war knowing full well that Suddam was using chemical weapons at the time?

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST

    How am I full of it?

    by K-Gin

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Coughlins Laws

    by mukhtabi

    Paul Ryan lied out of his face. This article from FOX NEWS proves it. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/?fb_action_ids=10151136696259917&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B"10151136696259917"%3A430876850304107%7D&action_type_map=%7B"10151136696259917"

  • Your nitpicking to say that it closed in January of '09 after Obama became president. Either way it wasn't Obama's fault. This is the kind of bullshit that you guys do and I'm sick of it. If you want to defend a liar be my guest. But, don't tell me I have to go along with your delusion.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST

    by Coughlins Laws

    and an actual reporter? That was an opinion column

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Man Ann Romney and Paul Ryan gave awesome speachs!

    by Paul

    Condi Rice's speach was awesome also, can't wait to see what Mitt Romney has to say tonight!

  • But, then I know that hypocrisy doesn't bother you guys either. Romneycare anyone.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    It wasn't a lie.

    by Coughlins Laws

    Obama promised it wouldn't close and it did. It happened just like Paul Ryan said it did. Not a lie.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    He don't lie about anything. nothing he said was a lie. sorry

    by Coughlins Laws

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I am a devout Republican BUT

    by John Doe

    i cannot lie about Mitt Romney as my party's choice for nominee. Like McCain four years ago, he was the only choice amidst the circus that was presented in 3923023492034 debates. Very sad. Ryan is the better choice but simply too young to be President at 42. Condi Rice apparently doesn't want it and it was too soon for Christie. Oh well. But I challenge anyone on the board to tell me that things are better economically today than four years ago. Obama cannot improve things. Just spin them.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    by Coughlins Laws

    The fact checkers were fact checked and failed. I know you're counting on people to just take Obama and his medias word on everything, but people are smart and can research on our own. he stated a fact

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST

    coughlins laws - If I were you, I would be mad at the truth as well

    by Michael Lunney

  • How you been?

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    coughlins laws - listen to asimov- he nows better than you- thank you

    by Michael Lunney

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    mcgootoo

    by Asimov_Lives

    I'm doing good. I don't live in the states. You guys are so fukked if Romney and ryan are elected.

  • You know why those cuts are in his budget. Because they were A FREAKING REPUBLICAN IDEA! Who's trying to scare seniors now?! Hypocrite! Liar!

  • You know more about the U.S. political scene than a LOT of Americans!!! I'm trying to shy away from political discussions here Breeds too much persnal animosty, rather than a clear exchange of honest ideas and inormation You know the drill....

  • That should fire them up.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    re 'I hope Ian wins!!!!!!!!! he is US!!!!'

    by Hercules

    I wish. That kid's memory is scary.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Brit's chances

    by Hercules

    Jenn thinks Frank is taking her to the end. Dan swore on a bible that he and Frank have a Final Two deal. Shane is not going to vote out the girl he's cuddling with. Those are the three votes to save Danielle. Joe likes to vote with the majority. The only vote Brit will get is Ian's.

  • On that date, the plant ceased production and over 1,000 employees were out of a job. This was covered in the national media as well as the local media. Just look up the Janesville Gazette to see how they covered the LAST DAY!! It was already agreed upon that a small group of 57 workers would finish the outstanding orders of vehicles that were placed before the closure. This operation (WHICH AGAIN WAS ALREADY AGREED UPON) would shut down on April 9, 2009. This is what makes partisan RETHUGLICANS like COUGHLINS BAWLS think they have a legitimate talking point against President Obama. Nevermind the FACT that Paul Ryan voted for AUTO BAILOUT FUNDS in 2008 to try and rescue the plant and several others. This goes against EVERYTHING guys like COUGHLNS BAWLS think Ryan stands for. The irony is, by their measure, he's not a fiscal champion. BUT HE IS A LIAR!!!!! FACT!!!!

  • because he knows he is wrong....... but, but,but,but,but, vroom, vrooom....... repeating a lie over and over does not make it less of a lie Will he change his tune????? well, let's see.... I can name that tune it....... 2 NOTES!!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST

    @asimov_lives

    by MrLongbaugh

    Please go back to being banned. McGoo, he doesn't know squat about America. He JUST THINKS he knows everything about everything. I am doing my best to stay out of this, but it is getting more difficult with each passing day.

  • look it up Panasonic model DMR-EH75V beautiful top of the line model for that year combo DVD recorder, hard drive and VCR!!!!!!!! it will also record ANY DVD onto videotape

  • I'm gonna stifle myself as well... thanks for the wakeup - it's been a rough couple of days for me.... Peace, kind sir.... I'd rather talk about Big Brother anyway, or Fringe...which is coming back soon...

  • Now I will stifle and have some fun trying to lose myself in some TV---- BB, How the Universe Works, some Peter Gunn and maybe an Alfred Hitchcock Presents... and LOUIE!!!!!!!! He is great, if you have not seen his show-- it is non-political, surreal slice of life stuff- like a more adult Seinfeld

  • http://www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/feb/19/gm-plant-last-day-finalized/ progressives and those pesky facts...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    whats up mi amigo baugh? how u been?

    by jay2517

    and i agree, these idiot AICN progressives ARE getting difficult to read. with all their false accusations of racism and distorting of facts. such hatred, but they ARE aicn progressives after all...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST

    BTW- COLLEGE FOOTBALL IS BACK BABY!!!!

    by jay2517

    best part of the year!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST

    MCGOOTOO

    by I am the Terminator

    Looks like JAY2517-90210 is handling all the BUT BUT BUT BUT BUTS for COUGHLINS BAWLS. Birds of a feather lie together!!!!! Why you remain friendly with that partisan WINDBAG is a mystery. ?????

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Jay, that's funny...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...because here is the press release made by Paul Ryan's office on October 13, 2008: http://tinyurl.com/8pq8sga That's HIS press release on the immediate halt to the production of SUVS in which he comments that the accelerated schedule does not apply to the trucks still being produced there and that he still has hopes that something can be salvaged. Who knows? Maybe Paul Ryan's a liar? Oh wait. Yeah. Every fact checking organization on the planet already comprehensively confirmed that.

  • I know this is hard for many to understand I slipped, but relize my mistakes....... have fun, man, just try to stay civil. anything else just isn't worth it.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Oh and Jay...and Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    GM alive and Bin Laden dead.

  • here they are again, little man. fact- factory closed April 29, 2009. fact- obama promised that,if elected, the plant would not close. fact- obama was elected president and WAS president on April 29, 2009. this is irrefutable. !!!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    whats up mcgoo?? how u been amigo?? i hope well!!

    by jay2517

    :)

  • CNN spent a pretty good amount of time today saying Ryan was right. And I live in WI and the local news was saying he was correct, as well. Should be interesting to see how the Dem convention goes next week. The speakers list makes it seem like an abortion love-in.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    mypalfish...

    by Red Ned Lynch

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    mypalfish...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...really, and which of Ryan's lies did they confirm? You know...specifically.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    red- ???

    by jay2517

    gm "alive"- yea, if ur part of a thug union. if not, u got fucked by obama. osama dead- and u can thank the (as obama LOVES to say) "previous administration" for that. NO president should be congratulated for doing the right thing. dont know why u are? BTW- how does any of that have to do with obama closing a plant down that he promised wouldnt happen?? dont know what point(s?) ur trying to make??

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Because you know...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...even Fox News... http://tinyurl.com/8ug2g2f ...choked on them.

  • it was an OPINION piece. and she is an EXTREME liberal LOL. u cant be this stupid, can u??

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Well one point, Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...is contained in that Paul Ryan press release from October 2008. And really, Jay? Union thugs? Union thugs? You mean like the teacher's union thugs? You mean like our fellow Americans, our neighbors and friends, struggling for their piece of the American dream? And at least be consistent in your propaganda in the length of a single post? We should both thank the previous administration and not congratulate any president for the death of Bin Laden? Well, that's a Republican for you. Clinton was responsible for 9-11, which happened nine months after Bush took office. And bush is responsible for getting Bin Laden, three years after Obama took office. Standard Republican patriotism right there. Try to turn hard working middle class Americans into your villains and rewrite history with every word. You'd be right at home at the convention.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST

    Oh I know, Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...all scientists, fact checkers...shoot, anyone who values facts in any format...are liberals. The only thing we can really trust is the Holy Bible and Ayn Rand (who rejected Christ's teachings, vilified Christ and Christian values and whose work served as the basis of the Satanic Bible, according to Anton LeVay). Silly me, thinking I could trick a conservative!

  • I've liked him since he played a small role as a lab assistant in The Creature from the Black Lagoon... He has mostly hits and very few misses with his acting and film directing... a true American icon... time for some TV for me now...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Jay...Jay...Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...any time a conservative hears a fact that doesn't fit in with their extremist dogma they clap their hands over their ears and cry out 'a liberal said it, a liberal said it'. So of course the fact that Slate, Salon, The Guardian, the Washington Post, The New Republic, Talking Points Memo, The Daily Beast, Google.com, Bloomberg, Huffington Post, The New York Times, The Atlantic, US News and World Report, The LA Times, The New Yorker...and really the list is endless... ...all led with the breathtaking, groundbreaking, truly unprecedented lying old Lying Ryan did last night just means that every single one of them is a liberal. Just like all those scientists with their evolution and climate change. Just like facts. I mean, do you want to examine these one by one? The 'Obama cut to medicare' lie? The deficit commission lie? The AAA credit lie? Where do you want to start, Jay?

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    well, this should be easy, red...

    by jay2517

    *And really, Jay? Union thugs? Union thugs?*--- yes, really. *You mean like the teacher's union thugs? You mean like our fellow Americans, our neighbors and friends, struggling for their piece of the American dream?*--- yes, thug unions take all that away. thats why they are thug unions. they care only for their members. if ur not, fuck u. as u can see by who GM kept (union thugs) and fired (everyone else). *And at least be consistent in your propaganda in the length of a single post? We should both thank the previous administration and not congratulate any president for the death of Bin Laden?*--- no, thats not what i said *rolls eyes*. i said we shouldnt praise or give elaborate praise to someone for doing the right thing. thats like my saying im a great father because i dont beat my kids. capice? *Well, that's a Republican for you. Clinton was responsible for 9-11, which happened nine months after Bush took office. And bush is responsible for getting Bin Laden, three years after Obama took office.*--- *SIGH!* anyway, lets explain this, ugghhh...Clinton's was responsible for 9/11 because he REFUSED to capture or kill bin laden. his policies were LAX on terrorism, its a direct correlation to 9/11. Bush's polices contributed to the capture and death of bin laden. Obama used them to do it and im glad he did. its a direct correlation. nothing special in doing the right thing. thats why its called *doing the right thing*. capice? *Standard Republican patriotism right there. Try to turn hard working middle class Americans into your villains and rewrite history with every word. You'd be right at home at the convention.*--- im assuming grape is ur favorite flavor?? BTW- again, i dont know what this has to do with obama closing that plant down after he promised he wouldnt. but, keep deflecting away. BTW2- u forgot to call me a racist :)

  • fire away, i dont give a shit. keep deflecting though! thats all u AICN progressives are good for :) have at it sparky!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST

    ^"where to start"^ EDIT fuction...u elude us!!

    by jay2517

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    damn, sorry to hear mcgoo.

    by jay2517

    we're all hoping for u to be well! sooner rather than later!!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I see you're refusing to discuss the press release Paul Ryan made in October 2008 announcing the accelerated halt of production at the plant and his hope that further negotiations could convince GM to bring some new product there. I put the link in my first post on this subject. You've ignored it since. Maybe Paul Ryan's a liberal, too.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Hey amigos!

    by Paul

    Man McGoo I really hope that your doing ok and that you'll feel better. Jay and mrlongbaugh - looks like your fighting up the good fight.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Jay, do you mean...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the help Bush gave by closing the unit that was hunting Bin Laden in 2005? Here, since you don't like to follow links, I'll cut and paste this: The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed. [...] The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said. [...] In recent years, the war in Iraq has stretched the resources of the intelligence agencies and the Pentagon, generating new priorities for American officials.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Where are the tax returns, Mittens?

    by Judge Briggs

    What cha hiding?

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Jay

    by Paul

    I dropped off my boys to 2nd and 4th grade yesterday and then decided to run an errand to the mall, I started tearing up a little when I rmembered taking them as toddlers to the playground. Such happy memories.

  • keep deflecting LOL!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...that's a press release from Ryan's office talking about the plant closing in October 2008. Deflecting? You're in absolute denial.

  • i totally agree on the teary memories! my little girl turns 13 in a few months. man...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Oh hell...here's the time line...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    June 3, 2008 – GM decides to close the Janesville plant, announcing that production will end by 2010, after months of rumors it might close. The press release declares, “Janesville, Wisconsin, will cease production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and of the Tahoe, Suburban and Yukon in 2010, or sooner.” Senators Herb Kohl and Russ Feingold, both Democrats, and Paul Ryan, whose House district includes Janesville, write the company urging it to reverse the decision. September 2008 – Paul Ryan flies to Detroit to urge GM to reconsider its decision to close the plant. According to the Los Angeles Times, he pitched “a $224-million proposal that included roughly $50 million in state enterprise zone tax credits, local government grants worth $22 million and major contract concessions from the United Auto Workers union local.” Throughout, Ryan frequently speaks with GM chief Rick Wagoner. Oct. 11, 2008 – Barack Obama comments on the Janesville closing. He does not promise to prevent the closing-in-progress, but instead declares he will “retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville” as president. Regardless of one’s views of the auto bailout, it has saved facilities like the Janesville one, if not the Janesville one in particular. November/December 2008 – Congress weighs a bailout of GM and other automakers. One proposal, backed by Ryan and 31 other House Republicans, but not Mitt Romney, would have provided $15 billion in bridge loans. The bill passed the house but was not picked up by the Senate. The Bush administration declines to use TARP funds to rescue automakers, but approves a bridge loan on Dec.19, too late to save the Janesville plant. Dec. 23, 2008 – Lacking a bailout, the plant closes. The plant holds a “final goodbye ceremony” as it builds its last SUV. In a statement to MSNBC, GM confirmed that the plant “was idled” in December. But — and this is where it gets confusing — winding down a plant takes time. April 21, 2009 – The Janesville plant builds its last medium-duty truck and shuts down its last assembly line, completing the shutdown process started in June 2008

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    good lord red, the plant CLOSED on April 29, 2009. F-A-C-T.

    by jay2517

    and obama lied about it and to the workers. F-A-C-T. discuss the CURRENT TOPIC at hand, buddy!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    re- red's timeline....

    by jay2517

    thanks for agreeing with me! yeesh, was that so hard??

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, I get it, Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...youo believe if you keep repeating a lie, even with the truth all around it, the lie will somehow trump the truth. Yep, you're a conservative.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ..and you're telling the truth about everything except Obama promising to save the plant and every fact about its closing. You really should be in Tampa.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    By the way...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...one way to tell the difference between a conservative and a liberal... ...Paul Ryan tried to keep that plant open. And that was a good thing. And I made sure to mention it as I debunked Ryan's (and Jay's) lie.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Wow, just realized that...

    by PDepew2181

    ...I forgot to mention I was first. Might be the only time I ever was. Oh, well, no big loss, considering that this just devolved into the normal back and forth that is political discourse over the internet.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    JAY2517-90210 THINKS PRESIDENT OBAMA CLOSED THE PLANT?????

    by I am the Terminator

    Wasn't that GM's decision?? What is it with RETHUGLICANS and their insistence that Presidents have the power of KINGS???? What's really funny about JAY2517-90210's Janesville article (dated 9/19/11) is that it states that the plant is on STAND-BY. So which is it??? Is it closed or is it on STAND-BY?? If it's the latter, then it's technically not closed and Paul Ryan lied AGAIN!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Come on, that shit is funny.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    RED NED LYNCH, I MENTIONED THAT, TOO!!!!!

    by I am the Terminator

    Ryan asked for STIMULUS FUNDS!!!! Notice how those CONSERVATARDS sidestep that BIG FACT about their fiscal wanker. NEW AND IMPROVED!!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST

    terminator...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...yes, but it was the right thing to do. When Ryan tried to get that money he was serving the people of his district, the health of the American economy as a whole and fulfilling his responsibility as a member of the House of Representatives. It is the insanity of the current conservative movement that views that action as heresy based on a sick politics as religion extremism. I'm not interested in gotchas. I'm interested in the health of our Republic. Yes, they are liars and hypocrites. Jay takes actual pleasure in lying and trying to bluff his way through even after his lies are exposed. And even though there is no possible way he does not now know the truth (and probably he did from the start) he will repeat the same lie over and over again. That is the sickness. I actually find it heartening that even a man so morally bankrupt as to make his staff read Ayn Rand and cite her as his greatest influence while at the same time claiming to be a good Catholic at least on one occasion tried to work in the service of the people he was elected to serve.

  • termy termy termy.... Closed- because GM allows no workers to work there anymore. Stand By- GM still owns the building. they can choose to keep it and start to employ workers again, or they can choose to sell it to another entity. its really not that hard to comprehend...

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST

    RED NED LYNCH!!

    by I am the Terminator

    I totally agree with EVERYTHING you said. Well put. What kills me is watching Ryan tell everyone how miserable he was for voting for all of BUSH'S debt and deficit exploding initiatives. He just expects everyone to forgive and forget. That's how we end up with fucksticks like JAY and COUGHLINS BAWLS!!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST

    WHICH IS TO SAY THAT HE'S NOTHING MORE THAN A PARTY SOLDIER.

    by I am the Terminator

    He didn't have the courage to vote with his convictions. Stimulus relief aside.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    APPARENTLY, MY RHETORICALLY PHRASED JOKE WENT RIGHT OVER JAY2517-90210's HEAD.

    by I am the Terminator

    NOT SURPRISED!!!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 9:33 p.m. CST

    OH, AND POOR CLINT EASTWOOD!!!!!

    by I am the Terminator

    DA FUCK WAS THAT????????!!!!!!!! ??

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    I hate election season

    by Blanket-Man

    The Dems try to scare everyone into thinking the GOP will take away Social Security and Medicare. The GOP counters with "Don't listen to them; they're just using fear and cheap scare tactics." GOP: "The Dems want to lessen immigration laws and weaken us around the world!" Dems: "Don't listen to them; they're just using fear and cheap scare tactics!" GOP: "The Dems hate business people!" Dems: "The GOP hate women!" And so it goes, on and on... I've pretty much had it with both parties. I've been voting since the '84 election, and have been only moderately pleased with 2 Presidents: Reagan and Clinton. The others have pretty much sucked ass. I see Romney fitting snugly into that category, should he win.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Livin' in America

    by Pooter the Clown

    considering that song is most associated with a black guy being beaten to death by a white guy, maybe that wasn't the best music choice.

  • Aug. 30, 2012, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Man that was n awesome speach by Romney

    by Paul

    Im sure glad that hes running, rather have him then someone who did a lot, but that the vast majority of it changed the country for the worse.

  • What a benchod.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Isn't "benchod" Hindi for "sister-fucker"?

    by dahveed1972

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Yes dahveed! Namaste

    by ajit maholtra

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    It is me or has

    by Wheel99

    Louie been kind of a disappointment this season. Other than two or three episodes it hasn't been that strong.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST

    I dont have FX anymore so I have to wait until season 3 comes to netflix

    by ajit maholtra

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST

    wheel99

    by jsfithaca

    i agree. However i thought the one where he takes care of that kid never was the funniest episode of the entire show. besides that though it hasnt been as good as it was the last two seasons. still funny though as for the political stuff if you think every conservative or every liberal is insane then YOUR insane.

  • store still open, trying to get rid of inventory...but store will close gm plant only open to complete a contract...100 man skeleton crew out of 1200 ryan voted for gm bailout....prob is came to late to save plant...but then did nothing...didnt even try to get another biz in there he is crying about his friends? that fuck doesnt give shit one about his friends the face of evil is paul ryan, who happily took ss death benefits to go to college, thereby not getting into debt with student loans...but has no qualms cutting both ss and pell grants for the next gen FUCK HIM,. FUCK ALL HIS LIES, FUCK THE FACT THAT HE THINKS RAPE IS JUST ANOTHER FORM OF "CONCEPTION" I BET I KICKED HIS ASS IN SCHOOL CUZ HE LISTENED TO ZEPP WHILE I WAS LISTENING TO THE PISTOLS

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST

    ANGUS THINKS PAUL RYAN IS A TWAT

    by walt

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by Dollar Bird

    I dunno. I honesty think that the US economy has sucked for a long time. 9-11 happened and the economy went to shit, and I don´t think it´s ever recovered. Everyone I know has had hard times since then. Bush seemed to be more obsessed with fighting distant wars and policing the nation for terrorists than anything else. The ironic thing is that I recall he ran on a let´s-focus-on-America platform. My friends and family lost jobs after the attacks and the economy went south, and honestly, 12 years later, some of them still don´t have secure or well-paying jobs. But they all are working, thankfully. What I am really curious about is this-- what does anyone really think one candidate or the other will do to help the economy? I´m with blanket-man in that I´ve not been impressed by the presidents of my lifetime aside from Clinton. I confess I was alive during both Regan and Carter´s administrations, but I think I was too young to really have a fair opinion. Dinobots were more intresting than Ollie North at the time. My loss. I do, though, recall liking Regan. I think I associated the space shuttle with his administration, and he gave a very nice speech after the explosion. But what else would a 5th grader want from a president? But I´m disillusioned with Obama and am convinced that Romney really only believes in making money and being popular. I think Obama´s administration will still do not much, but Romey probably will make things worse. I´m not so naive to think that whoever is in charge decides the entire well-being of the nation. And I am more concerned with how divided the country is politically--with how far right the Republicans have gone and how left the Democrats have gone and how there´s no compromises or progress. Just fighting, name-calling, and stagnation. So, Romney-lovers, what will he do to fix things? Do you really trust the rich to provide jobs? What´s to keep them from hording all their money? And Obama-lovers, do you think we´ll see the benefits of any of his work? Have any of you benefitted?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 6:15 a.m. CST

    last year the irish electorate went to the polls

    by emeraldboy

    and gave fianna fail a bloody knows and dumped them into the opposition benches. we blamed them for ruining the country economically and now the Troika runs our economy. FG and Labour. we all thought they would be different.....but one year on.... here is the article from the irish independent.... about the minister for health.. http://www.independent.ie/national-news/130m-health-cuts-james-reilly-is-at-his-desk-but-i-havent-spoken-to-him-gilmore-3216068.html

  • Well said!

  • How is it possible that you are blaming Ryan for cuts that happened before he became Chariman and wrote his proposed budget?

  • Buahahahahahahah! It looks like my Friend asi touched a nerve in order to get that vitrolic response from Mrlongbaugh. Yeah, someone from Portugal schooled a few ignorant NeoCons. Asimov so speaketh the truth and the truth hurt longbaugh to an extent that he wished him Banned forever. Sour Grapes, Buddy? How's it going McGoo: I respect the fact that you have taken the enlightend path of the higher road and it shows that you have a modicum of (Much needed0 Class. But it's kinda hard to be Civil to these arrogant conservative pricks be they stem from the RNC or especially these talkback forums. All I get from these Conventions, is Obama thrashing yet, these hypocrites fail to provide some sort of solution/plan on how they would handle the finacial crises if elected. The angry,disenfranchised and dsillutioned will easily feed on negativity and propaganda which is what the RepubliCONs are relying on. We shall see wether this tactic works or not during November. And remember my fellow Democrats, make sure you have your voters registration completed and of course State ID ready when going to the polls.

  • If they will so brazenly lie about what Ryan said about something so easily checked as the date of the plant closing, why would you believe anything they say? Either they out and out lied, or they just sloppily did a google search and saw that the plant was slated to shut down in 2008. It didn't actually stop producing vehicles until 2009. This was so easy to find that I'm shocked that even the AP and yahoo news were fooled by it. The whole Fact Check was written by a Democrat Operative that emailed it out before Ryan even got off the stage that night. And the AP ran with it as if it was news. They really should be ashamed of themselves. They reported liberal talking points as a Fact Check. Another thing that was really Bullshit is they said Ryan lied about Obamacare cutting $716 Billion from Medicare. This was 1000% true. However, they didn't even refute this when they called it a lie. They just said, "Well, Ryan's budget cut Medicare, too!!!!" It was so F'ing ridiculous. I really would be embarressed of that story. AP is picked up by other news sources and small newspapers all across the country and they let something written by an unapologetically liberally biased operative go out as Fact without checking the Fact Check themselves! They so want Obama re-elected they didn't even care...

  • If they will so brazenly lie about what Ryan said about something so easily checked as the date of the plant closing, why would you believe anything they say? Either they out and out lied, or they just sloppily did a google search and saw that the plant was slated to shut down in 2008. It didn't actually stop producing vehicles until 2009. This was so easy to find that I'm shocked that even the AP and yahoo news were fooled by it. The whole Fact Check was written by a Democrat Operative that emailed it out before Ryan even got off the stage that night. And the AP ran with it as if it was news. They really should be ashamed of themselves. They reported liberal talking points as a Fact Check. Another thing that was really Bullshit is they said Ryan lied about Obamacare cutting $716 Billion from Medicare. This was 1000% true. However, they didn't even refute this when they called it a lie. They just said, "Well, Ryan's budget cut Medicare, too!!!!" It was so F'ing ridiculous. I really would be embarressed of that story. AP is picked up by other news sources and small newspapers all across the country and they let something written by an unapologetically liberally biased operative go out as Fact without checking the Fact Check themselves! They so want Obama re-elected they didn't even care...

  • www.jsonline.com/business/130171578.html I will accept your apology anytime now. They stopped production of SUVs in December of 08 and stopped production of trucks in 09. Ayway, the point of the story isn't even when it closed down. The point is, candidate Obama went there and PROMISED the employees that the plant wouldn't shut down, that it would be open another 100 years. He shouldn't have made a promise he couldn't or wouldn't keep. That's the point of the story. Do you understand?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    This tweet sums up last night ...

    by Judge Briggs

    Clint Eastwood on the phone with Obama now: "It all went according to plan, my lord." #RNC hahahahahahaha!

  • I kind of thought that cuts in spending would be a good thing. Especially since they were a FREAKING REPUBLICAN IDEA, you partisan hack! The entire last 4 years have been nothing but your guys blocking everything Obama has done. Even when Obama supported something your guys proposed they have turned against it because they didn't want to give Obama anything positive to point to. That's not governance, my American friend. And Romney and Ryan are bags of gas. What exactly are there policies that are going to turn your country around? More tax cuts for the rich? You already tried that. You've had the lowest tax rates since before the Great Depression for 10 years and where has that gotten you? Start a war with another Middle Eastern country to make Israel happy? Good luck with that. Bags of gas.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Oh, and I love Eastwood, but I felt embarassed for him last night

    by Asimov_Lives

    Like REagan when he was testifying for Iran Contra.

  • Please stop wasting bandwidth! Politicians NEVER lie!!! Their Bible tells 'em not to - end of story. I find it so funny when hard-core followers of either side try to play up their side's righteousness compared to the other side's sliminess. That dog don't hunt, folks! Both sides lie equally, both sides cheat equally, both sides stop at nothing to remain in power, both sides are in bed with the wealthiest corporations... Since I've accepted that, these silly elections have become a lot less important to me. Neither side is worthy of the effort I used to put into defending them. Hopefully someone - on either side, I don't really care which - will come along and inspire me enough to defeat this cynicism. But it ain't Obamabidenromneyryan, I can tell ya that!

  • I guess their loathing of brown people is more powerful than their fear of Satanic Cults.

  • Both sides feel right and nobody really listens to the other point of view, let alone learn anything new. Yeah, go team go, Rah rah, sis boom bah. People become obsessed about minor details, and endlesly post about those minor details, in a bid of one-upsmanship that really ends up not having anythng to do with the minor detail they are trying to prove, but instead an egoboo game of ha ha, I'm right, you're wrong, you're an idiot, so admit you are wrong, apologize, because I know better, haha, haa. Is this fun, informative , or healthy? Not to me. I was a fool for thinking it mattered. To me, again, this week proves my point, so I will leave it all up to better people than I. Thank you for all your kind words, sir, you are a good guy and I support your views. You know what is right info and disinformation meant to be spun to play semantical, rhetorical games. Above all, no matter the temptation, stay civil and do what you think is best. stalkeye for my mental well being - I need to stay out of the political discussions- you see how much negative emotion and frustration it generates

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the timeline I posted and the press release from Paul Ryan's own office conclusively proves that GM made the decision to close the plant in 2008. Main production ended in December 2008 and even a bridge loan offered by the Bush administration (because they were still in office, you stupid, dishonest fuckwit) was too late to be of help to the plant. You are either one of the most brazen liars alive or one the most ignorant humans capable of tapping a keyboard. And yes, I do realize those two things are not mutually exclusive. I've seen your posts before.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    And further, Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Obama very clearly said that 'if the government is here to support you'... ...and to his credit, Ryan did try to get money for the plant from the Bush administration. UInfortunately, as (once again, the timeline I posted shows) he didn't get it until it was too late for this particular plant... ...didn't get it from the Bush administration. Because Bush was in office. And of course, for plants all around the country where the final decision to turn off the lights had not yet been made, Obama's saving of the American auto industry had just that effect. And so Obama did tell the truth. He just didn't get into office in time to save this plant. As the time line of events proves.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST

    I STILL want to see those tax returns ...!

    by Judge Briggs

    You know, like EVERY modern day President that has released them because MITT'S own FATHER set the precedent in doing so! Similar situation: Dude: Baby, I ain't cheating! Trust me! Girlfriend: Then lemme have your phone and password to your e-mail? Prove it! Dude: Nah, baby, you can't have that! Girlfriend: Why not? What cha hiding? Dude: Because baby, you just gotta believe me! Believe me!

  • In fact, anyone who wants to foolishly try to claim that the mainstream media doesn't have a strong media bias should have their eyes opened after this... The fact is, candidate Obama made a promise he couldn't keep to those people. Just exactly the way Ryan said. You obviously aren't intelligent enough to grasp it...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Tax returns, birth certificates---who cares!

    by Dan

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST

    COUGHLINS BAWLS, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU JUST GOT PWNED BY RED NED LYNCH!!

    by I am the Terminator

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Here, Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I'll dumb it down somaybe even you can understand it. A man (this particular plant) is dying of cancer and someone (obama) shows up who wants to take over the hospital (the US). This guy (obama) has a new cancer treatment (the auto bailout) and tells a patient (this particular plant) 'with my new cancer treatment (bailout) you can be well again' (not close). That particular patient (the plant) then suffers massive organ failure and brain death (gm announcing the plant will close and shuttering main production) from his cancer (the conservative caused financial crisis). The new guy (obama) shows up and manages to save lots of patients (other plants) with his new treatment (the bailout), but he can't help this one because it was already brain dead (prodcution halted by GM) and his treatment couldn't stop that. If you really need me to I can illustrate it, too, Coughy.

  • Nevermind the FACT that the decision to close the plant was made in 2008 and the FACT that the they were in the process of shutting down the plant, having ceased most production on 2008. I don't think that coughlins brain can understand the fine nuances of how it may take several months from the time it was decided to close the plant before it actually shut its doors. And as you said, Ryan tried to get the money from Bush but it was too late. But, for coughlins and the blind faithful, it was all Obama's fault because it shut its doors in 2009, because he was President now. Logic very similar to, "It depends on what your definition of what the word 'IS' is."

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    EVERYTHING RYAN SAID WAS 100% TRUE.

    by I am the Terminator

    YOU'RE SUCH A LIAR!!!!! Jesus, respect yourself, you partisan FUCKTARD!!

  • asimov_lives, do you honestly believe that $716 Billion over 10 years is all administrative costs? Because that's what Obama told you? You seriously don't believe that, do you? You are embarrassing yourself more than red_ned. You are getting on these boards and saying 3/4ths of a TRILLION Dollars is all Administratvie costs. You really making laugh. You can't really be that naive? I won't call you stupid, but an intelligent person wouldn't believe that $716 Billion is administrative costs. It's going to be turned down benifits, silly...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10 a.m. CST

    ZODLOVESMAUDE

    by I am the Terminator

    According to the increasingly inept Romney camp, he ditched the script and decided to ad-lib. WHAT A BRILLIANT IDEA!!!!! BOY, that Romney!! That's presidential level decision making right there!!

  • He gave a 40 minute speech. Either watch it and see what he was saying, or ignore it. Instead, you choose to believe an email that came from the White House before Ryan even got off the stage that was filled with lies. Everything Ryan said was 100% true. The Partisan Fact Checkers at the AP got 2 of their supposed facts wrong, and the others were opinions, not facts. Sorry, you are wrong...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Being against abortion-

    by Dan

    murdering a baby with scapel and forceps- is not anti-woman, stupid. Do you know what this process involves? Love abortion, but against the death penalty, makes sense.... not. Why does there need to be a right to eliminate, exterminate your kid? (with the exceptions of rape/incest)

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...is there something clinically wrong with you? Seriously, have you been diagnosed? I eamn you live in this wierdly deluded reality where you have to believe that the CBO, all the scientists, all the economists, really virtually every educated person in almost every field of human endeavor are all involved in this incredible liberal conspiracy. And all to deny facts that you just don't want to believe. The Medicare numbers were vetted by the CBO and a ton of outside analysts. Now I know that just like all the climatologists, biologists, economists, teachers, journalists etc. ad nauseum, they are part of this liberal conspiracy that probably centers around the Denver airport for some brain scrambled reason, but really, actually read the words you're writing, think about the opinions you're expressing. I mean, if you're lying you're doing it badly. And if you believe what you're posting you're scary because you've divorced yourself completely from objective reality.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...you're repeating a comprehensively debunked lie ever more hysterically. Obama did not make the promise you are claiming. Now over the course of two days you and Jay have backed up from claiming, on this very thread... ...that Obama closed the plant to Obama made a promise when he wasn't President. And the thing that truly is amazing about guys like you is that you'll lie, get caught, run back to the next available foxhole and just start lying again. Figuring you'll eventually find on that will stick in some way and that you'll outlast the folks who care about the truth. But Obama didn't even make the promise you're claiming. He made a statement of belief, and he followed through. Because of the auto bailout more than a million Americans still have jobs today who wouldn't have without it. I'm sorry, and I'm sure he's sorry, that he didn't become President in time to save this particular plant. But that's not his fault. And he sure did follow through. But you just keep right on lying, Coughy. Hey, it's what you've got.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST

    What an embaressment for Eastwood.

    by DougMcKenzie

    You don't send an 83 year old man up there without a script and ad lib like that. The whole RNC ended up becoming a punch line. People arguing about when one freaking auto plant closing, a nonsensical fake interview, and absolutely no BUZZ whatsoever for your candidate.... this thing has the momentum of a five ton truck with no wheels or axles right now. This is 96 all over again, Republicans lost without a clue how to mount a campaign against a fairly likeable President. Back then they tried to make it about Slick Willy's dick. I don't know, I bet they double down on race this time and make it super ugly. They wanted to do that hard in '08, but McCain had too much integrity. Don't see that from a desperate Romney.

  • As far as you quoting the CBO, where do you think the $716 BILLION over the next 10 years came from? Seriously, dude, you really are making a fool of yourself.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    oh my stars and garters......people, people, PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Michael Lunney

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Michael Lunney

  • Ummm ... I have a really high top secret clearance ... when I submitted my application for the clearance, I opened my entire life for the past 10 years to be scrutinized by the government investigators. I didn't have the option of saying, 'that part of my financial history is secret so you can't look at it but trust me, I didn't do anything wrong, okay?' Yeah, doesn't work that way ... if you're running for POTUS ... it's COMPLETELY reasonable to inquire what going on in one's financial history ... especially if Romney decided to put his money in off-shores accounts to avoid being taxed (not very American!) ... that and because he's running off his business record of being a so-called job-creator (though I suspect his finacial history shows he was responsible for laying off people to make millions of dollars- that is what venture capitalists do, afterall). If you're not guilty of anything, then you shouldn't have anything to hide. Right?

  • I hope you are feeling better if you are sick. You're part of the family, here...

  • Seriously, how was Obama supposed to save the plant when he wasn't President at the time? Do you not understand that even though the plant may have still been open in 2009 that it was in the process of being shut down? Did they even ask Obama for the money when he became President. Best guess, No, because it was already in the process of being shut down. Given the fact that Obama did help keep other plants open, I find it very hard to believe that Obama wouldn't have saved this plant if he could. That's why it's a lie. And not only that, but if anything Ryan is deflecting his own inablility to save the plant unto Obama. Plus, has Mittens had his way all of the plants would be closed now. The topic of auto plants being closed should not even be on the freaking table for these hypocrites. I will give them points for balls to even bring up the subject of closed auto plants in regard to Obama when Romney would have closed them all and made a profit from them it he could have.

  • Especially due to his take on the RNC. Perfect comedic material and what's funny is that Bill and his crack staff joke writers don't have to rack their brains when poking jabs at the Convention guests and attendees since this Week's events practically writes itself. Hope you're having a great one and Yes, I agree that Titties and a Cold Beer is much preferable than enduring the overt negative hyperbole that stems from the ignorant masses at the RNC. I just have to laugh at these Assclowns sometimes however, I feel bad for the Country with all this infighting amongst the parties as it may inevitably lead to America's downfall. Peace.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    judge bridge, it's because Romney's not an American, he's a Mormon

    by Asimov_Lives

    They have their own divine plan for this country and Romney is their White Horse. They even have their own Constitution.

  • You've finally conceded that he didn't lie, at least. Fine, you can draw your own conclusions from what he said and call him a wrong or a hypocrite or whatever you want. The fact is, though, he didn't lie and the press took Obama talking points verbatim without checking the fact-checkers. They, and you, should be embarressed for spouting it. Ryan told the truth about everything he said. The fact that you disagree with him or his point of view is irrelevant. That's what elections are for, disagreements. Just stop being dishonest, please...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Coughlin...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I've laid out the facts in a fair manner. They're in the thread. You can continue with your hysterical lie but this one has been comprehensively debunked, and the thread is full enough now with its debunking that you'll have to go somewhere else to effectively spread it. Obama didn't make the promise you claim. When he became president he took the steps he was talking about and saved the American automobile industry. Unfortunately, it was too late for this plant, which died during the Bush administration. The timeline above proves what I've written. And it can be checked for accuracy in a lot of places, for anyone who thinks I may have engaged in some of the sort of blatant dishonesty you are engaged in. And I know, they're all liberals, all the scientists, journalists, economists, teachers and every other expert and factual source that doesn't agree with the disinformation you want to spread. The behavior you're engaged in Coughlin, is usually associated with cults, not political parties.

  • Against abortion, but for the death penalty, makes sense.... not! Right back atcha, bud. Don't you know that Jesus Christ reformed and eye for an eye? Jesus freaking died of capital punishment for chrsssakes! He's the freaking poster child for anti-death penalty. The cross is a freaking metaphor for anti-death penalty. So, don't tell me your against abortion because your a Christian. If you're for the death penalty, you not a true Christian. Because you completely missed the point of everything that Christ taught and stood and died for.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    @red ned lynch

    by Judge Briggs

    Remember what Stephen Colbert once said, 'Reality has a well-known liberal bias.' ; )

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    asimov...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the current incarnation of the conservative movement rejects Christ and all His acts and teachings. Come on, Paul Ryan makes every one of his staff members read Ayn Rand and calls her his greatest inspiration and influence. Even Charles Coulson recorded a plea to his fellow Republicans not to go down the Randian, anti-christian path. But then by today's standards he's probably another of those Rinos. You know, the ones the remaining cultists claim have to be liars if they say they were once Republicans.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Taking a look at what's going on in here and I just want to say, keep up the good fight. Good luck...we're all counting on you, sir.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    As an evil mormon myself.......

    by Paul

    I can state as a fact that Romney IS an american, and that Mormons do NOT have their own constitution. Mormons have a strong belief in this countrie constitution and other founding documents and in the founding fathers. We believe that the Founding Fathers were inspired by God and that the constitution of America is inspired by God.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST

    red ned

    by Asimov_Lives

    I have noticed that the Republicans seemed to have even distanced themselves from that great left-leaning centrist, Ron Reagan. They even nixed the Reagan hologram from the RNC. I heard he was going to do some old Al Jolson routines.

  • in fact I can't remember a Democrat Presidencial candidate thats really disclosed his tax returns (could be wrong) its a non issue.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST

    paburrows, you're right

    by Asimov_Lives

    I'm just trying to do the same xenophobic nonsense the Republicans do to Obama. I hope you realize it's all tongue in cheek.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    The problem with this election is not Dems or Repubs...

    by TopHat

    Its the people who consider themselves "Independents" or "Libertarians" who sit on the sidelines, complain about both parties, and ultimately do nothing... Particularly, NOT vote. The internet has made this group grow considerably, and its affected the country. To the point of changing the idea of social movements to just a bunch of people who meet up and do nothing. "OccupyWallstreet" is basically just a real life version of an internet message board. People group together and "debate" using quotes from what OTHER people have said, bring up things OTHER people have done, and suggest what OTHER people should do. Then, of course, don't vote. "Independent" or "Libertarian" is really a romanticized version of the word "unaccountable". Only in an totalitarian society do the citizens have the luxury of complaining that the politicians, officials and government are to blame for the hardships and decline they face. In a democracy, it is the CITIZENS' responsibility to make things better. Their responsibility to MAKE the politicians do what's just. But, of course, that would mean a person would have be accountable... ...Something the "Waitin' on the world to change" generation seems more and more unable to do.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    And another thing I find it interesting that...

    by Paul

    the liberal leaning media jumped all over Bush for not visiting Katrina and now wheres Obama? Oh yeah campaining, whers he not? visiting the hurricane area. The funny thing is that its a non issue also because its more of a hinderace to have a sitting presidence there for a photo op with having to bring in the secret service and with the cleaning crews having to stop work, etc. It just yet another sign that most of the media are Obama lovers and will give a pass for him when they won't for a sitting Republican.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I thank Red as well.

    by HoboCode

    Keep fighting man. Except against Coughlin's Laws? His brain is nothing but monkey spunk. Doesn't even know what a casualty is.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    It's extremely disingenuous, coughlins

    by Asimov_Lives

    Which is the entire problem with both the Mittens Romnbot and Ayn Ryan. Like I said, Bags of Gas!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    asimov_lives

    by Paul

    Thanks for clarifying

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    @paburrows_rises Umm.. Sen. Kerry DID release his tax-returns ...

    by Judge Briggs

    You're wrong. Any simply google search would have yielded more than enough evidence that contradicts your claims that he didn't. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/romneys-misleading-history-of-tax-returns-issued-by-presidential-contenders/2012/07/16/gJQAChunpW_blog.html So I ask you, are you comfortable with electing someone who is REFUSING to release his tax returns? As for the Mormon faith - I don't judge others people's religous beliefs unlike many conservatives but I will say that the South Park episode on Joseph Smith was comedy gold.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, noon CST

    @paburrows_rises

    by Judge Briggs

    Ummm... it's WIDELY accepted that the Bush Admin fucked up the response to Hurricane Katrina ... has nothing to do with the so-called liberal media. The so-called liberal media, another myth created by the right to dismiss reality, facts, and science.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    The tax returns issue is not "silly"...

    by TopHat

    The problem is tax havens: By not releasing his tax returns, Romney is denying the exsistence of the many tax havens his money is tied in. Offshore tax havens is one of the big reasons why the financial sector has become so powerful. In past decades, almost unknown to most Americans, the United States has turned itself into a giant tax haven for foreigners. Federal and state tax laws have been deliberately shaoed to give foreigners special tax exemptions unavailable to Americans, plus financial secrecy and exemptions from regulatory restraints. In this grand scenario, tax havens such as the Caymans serve as feeders of foreign savings into Tax Haven U.S.A. from abroad, providing foreign investors with additional ways to skip around tax, disclosure, and regulatory requirements that they might trigger if they invested directly. The money sucked into Tax Haven U.S.A., often via the "feeder" tax havens, is frequently tax-evading and other criminal foreign money and it is predominantly channeled not into productive investment but into real estate and financial business. One cannot properly understand Wall Street's size and power without appreciating the central role of offshore tax havens. Many people might shrug to the idea of shady foreign money being invested here. But, its shocking that a presidential candidate should think that is O.K.

  • When it comes to money, this dude's shadier than Gordon Gekko. If Romney released 10 years od tax returns like every other presidential candidate in history, he would be forced to drop out of the race. And he knows it.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Man I can't wait for Fringe to come back on Friday nights!

    by Paul

    I hope nthat we can have a special talkback thats separate from the political talkbacks like the Dr Who talkback for the final 13 episodes.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Can you imagine if Obama had Swiss bank accounts?

    by Asimov_Lives

    They'd be claiming he was with the Gnomes of Zurich.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Obama is an amazing president. Probably the best we have ever had.

    by Quake II

    I've been getting yearly raises since 2008, everyone is productive and working in America right now and the housing market is FINALLY back on track. Gas prices are 2.36 per gallon, unemployment is at 6.5%, we all have free health insurance, the budget is balanced and the US is once again repected and admired by the rest of the world. HA HA. I'm just fucking with you. NONE of that is true. We're in a toilet and it's been flushed. Enjoy the ride down the pipes! Weeeeee! 4 more years!!!!!

  • C'mon, my dude ... just admit that Mittens not releasing his tax returns is super shady!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    @quake ii

    by Judge Briggs

    You just described the days of the Clinton Presidency!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST

    As for the ank accounts not all over seas accounts are bad

    by Paul

    This goes into the whole false idea of making money is evil. I know tons of rich people who poor tons of money into charitable organizations. A lot of the big financial organizations employ a lot of people. Making money can actually be a great a uplifting thing for a lot of people. Its when we pile on the restrictions that the companies can't allow people to feed their families by hiring them and that companies and rich people are not about to give as much money to the poor and other charities. I'm not pollyannaish to think that all companies/rich people are pure and good, its just that we need to move any from the false and out dated idea that all of them are evil.

  • Jesus supported the Death Penalty in Matthew and Mark, and so does John in Revelation, and Paul in Acts and Romans, as does the book of Hebrews... Jesus affirmed the Mosaic Law even to the keeping of the "least of these commandments" (Mat. 5:17-19). He blasted the Pharisees for giving their own ideas precedence over God's commands: "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? For God commanded, saying... `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' But you say..." Mat. 15:3-4 "For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men..." [Jesus] said to them, "All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother; and 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' But you say..." Mark 7:8-11 Jesus reaffirmed the capital statutes of God's law. Not only the murderer (Rev. 13:10; 1 Tim. 1:8-9; Rom. 13:4), but even the one who curses a parent must be put to death (Ex. 21:17 and Lev. 20:9) just as God commanded. And when he was being crucified; While Jesus was on the cross the Romans inflicted the death penalty on the two criminals2 next to Him. Christ said nothing in their defense, or against their crucifixions. One of those two mocked Christ. In response, the other criminal (whom Jesus would immediately declare righteous, Luke 23:43) said of their punishments, "we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong" (Luke 23:41). What did this forgiven criminal, this newly justified man, say about the death penalty? Bottom line: the criminals were getting their just punishment. The dying criminal knew the truth, as he said, "we indeed" are "justly" punished. Jesus repeated these commands without caveat or reservation. So again, thanks for the wrong Liberal information.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    As for the Bank Accounts

    by Paul

  • The Mormons I've known, the true ones, are very successful people. A married couple for instance, both Attorneys. She is studying now to be a medical doctor. Very motivated and high go-getters. Their church is one that is highly cohesive and the women have positions of power. Whoever is badmouthing needs to shut their hypocritical gobs. Not sure where the problem lies with Mormons, yes, SP episode was funny...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    judge briggs

    by Paul

    When you marry your money is your wifes and visa versa. But again its all a non issue.

  • Another swing and a miss for the morons!

  • no accountability and refusuals to vote for one reason or the other...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    i am the terminator

    by Dan

    It's CLINT EASTWOOD you fucking pussy.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST

    zodloves, 'fraid not

    by Asimov_Lives

    those quotes from Mathew and Mark is Jesus paraphrasing Moses. Do you really believe that Jesus was teaching you to put your children to death when they dishonor you? Is that how you practice Christianity in your home. I really don't care what Paul said or the Revelations, because Paul said a lot of stupid stuff and he's not God and the Revelations is jibberish. Jibberisha that is fun to read, but jibberish none the less. What Jesus did say: Thou shalt not kill. Turn the other cheek. Vengeance is mine. Love your enemies. He who casts the first stone... Do you love your enemies, zod? If not, then you're not a Christian.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The auto plant in Wisconsin is not closed

    by iceman199

    It's on "standby". Which means it can come back online when GM starts selling more cars. You know, thats happens to plants when sales fall off a cliff. The plant was put on "standby" before early in Bush's presidency.

  • Small wonder Herc is a fan.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Oh and since Romney's took a position against the GM bailout

    by iceman199

    Why is Ryan complaining? It surely would have closed without one.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Great showing for Suits!

    by chien_sale

    Just sayin'

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Actually Asi, I would've asked this question....

    by Stalkeye

    Do you love your enemies, zod? If not, then you're a Christian. My Cynicism at it's best. Huuzaaah!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 4 p.m. CST

    kovacs, i see u have no common sense also...

    by jay2517

    *store still open, trying to get rid of inventory...but store will close*--- NO ONE is disputing that, idiot. it STILL closed- April of 2009, idiot. while obama was president. *gm plant only open to complete a contract...100 man skeleton crew out of 1200* again, NO ONE disputes that. obama STILL promised it wouldnt close, idiot. and IM the *wingnut*?? LOL! BTW- i need to u return my Zepplin cd's that i make u listen too. little men, like u, amuse me...

  • it reinforces the fact that being a progressive/liberal IS a disease. liberal MSM is a *myth*! riiiiighhht!!! fucking idiots...

  • its a sad state of affairs when u have to resort to making up *scandals* where there arent any. u fuckwads KNOW if he released 25 yrs, u would cry...WHY not 30? whats he hiding?? pathetic. hes released the required amount so STFU :)

  • love ur logic. never move to America please. we have enough of u fucking hypocrites as it is.

  • ill explain this slowly... abortion- baby is INNOCENT. hasnt broken any laws. u choose to murder an innocent person. the child has no choice in the matter. death penalty- punishment for BREAKING laws. the criminal CHOSE to break said law(s) and therefore must pay for their crime. they have EVERY choice in the matter. they chose to BREAK THE LAW. why cant u idiots see this plain as day difference??

  • *sigh* idiocy abounds today! 2 words- Sally Kohn. she is an extreme liberal shill. it was an OPINION piece. get that? OPINION. u fucking idiots continue to blow my mind with ur *facts and logic*. i mean, by that warped *facts and logic* if Hannity wrote an OPINION piece for MSNBC, i could cite that as *MSNBC proves Fox right! obama is a blah blah blah*??? god, get ur head out if ur asses LOL! BTW- that just proves FNC's fairness for others opinion. how many conservatives does MSNBC let write for them? fucking hypocrites...

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Oh, jay2517... seriously, don't you want better for yourself?

    by Uncle Pooky

    Which part was the "opinion"? Was it what Ryan said? No, that was fact. Was it what Obama did? No, that was fact. Was it the part where the article I was referring to was by James Rosen, and not Sally Kohn? This article, right here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/fact-check-paul-ryan-convention-address/#ixzz258c9hs69 Would you care to explain to me where the "warped facts and logic" are? I'm sure you usually get by with other people accepting accusations as truth, but I'm gonna need a little substance if you expect me to think you have any idea what the fuck you're talking about.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Oh, jay, I understand and I'm not against the death penalty

    by Asimov_Lives

    It's just not very Christian to be for the Death Penalty, in that it's not in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ, if any of you hypocrites ever bothered to read the actual book. The Catholic Church is against it for exactly this reason. At least that's one thing they got right.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    jay2517

    by MovieDeal

    I'm enjoying your comments. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. It's a good thing you're on the internet. Because, as a registered Republican, I would totally dismiss you as anyone remotely representing the GOP. Let's just say that you're an "island unto yourself". Please keep posting. I'm sure I'm not the only Republican (or Democrat, for that matter) that finds your posts simply hilarious! And, if you're interested, I have some really good drugs that would snap you back to Earth (circa: 2012). So, what good movies have you seen recently?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST

    jay2517 zepp cd's?

    by walt

    i should bash you over the head with my album collection but they are worth more than your useless ass

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST

    @stalkeye

    by MrLongbaugh

    My dislike for him has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with him and his, at times, stupid posts. Shows how bright you are. Jumping headlong into something you know nothing about. Ever heard the saying *Don't assume anything. You will make an ass out of you and me*. YOU are the only one looking like an ASS, not me. Go to the top and start reading the posts. Look at all the insults being slung around because someone has different political views than yours. I know Jay has done some name calling, but to me, the majority of it is being done by *so called Dems* and the supporters of Obama. In your post you call me a *ignorant NeoCons*. I haven't said one thing about politics so you have NO CLUE where I stand on ANY issues. So, once again, YOU are looking like an ASS. And then you have a post by waltkovacs *jay2517, you wingnut fuck* where he goes on to state*I BET I KICKED HIS ASS IN SCHOOL CUZ HE LISTENED TO ZEPP WHILE I WAS LISTENING TO THE PISTOLS*. And you respond *Well said!* So you guys are a couple of Internet bullies now? Oh.....we are so scared. Jay lives about 45 minutes away from me. You want to be a bully, I got his back. Trust me, I am more than qualified to deal with violent situations. Parris Island, Camp Lejeune, 29 Palms, Quanitco, Bridgeport, CA. Yeah, I can handle myself. And you make other ridiculous posts like *I respect the fact that you have taken the enlightened path of the higher road and it shows that you have a modicum of (Much needed0 Class. But it's kinda hard to be Civil to these arrogant conservative pricks be they stem from the RNC or especially these talkback forums.*, *enduring the overt negative hyperbole that stems from the ignorant masses at the RNC. I just have to laugh at these Assclowns sometimes however, I feel bad for the Country with all this infighting amongst the parties as it may inevitably lead to America's downfall.*. You talk about taking the high road? About having class? I haven't said one thing to you and you are calling me a ignorant neocon, arrogant conservative prick, and an Assclown. I am sure anyone who reads this talkback from top to bottom will tell you that I have a shitload more class than you. What say you McGoo? Who has and who has not shown class through out this EPIC discussion? @Pa Thanks for your kind words. I haven't been doing any fighting. I haven't EVEN been involved in the discussion. I said one thing to a person who I have called out on several other occasions for saying some stupid shit. That is the end of another programing day. Good night and God Bless!!

  • You've had my back on many occasions as well I try to tell people to keep things civil, but it just doesn't take. I hope you are doing well, sir....

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST

    ummmm pooky....ur exact words....

    by jay2517

    *EVERYTHING RYAN SAID WAS 100% TRUE. - even Fox News has pointed out that Ryan was being untruthful* *Another swing and a miss for the morons!* where is the mention of james rosen? the only mention of Fox News *pointing out* anything in this thread was an article by sally kohen. DO keep up, mmmk? and i DID explaind *warped facts and logic* of liberals. its in that same post. yeeesh.

  • ....now what was it i was talking about before....hmmm...*warped facts and logic* i believe?

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh allow me to explain

    by walt

    ryan is a phony.... before mitt's speech writers came up with that bogus line, ryan said he was a big fan of rage that would make sense for his age would also make sense, like most wingut fucks, he never listened to rage's lyrics...which pretty much spit on him and his ilk here is a guy who claims he cant be a racist cuz he had jungle fever in college

  • *part of the GOP*...LOL!! oh u progressives kill me. what, exactly, have i posted do u disagree with mr. *registered republican*?? do tell!

  • because, all u internet *tuff guys* are just that. INTERNET. im real world, little man.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    jay2517 - let me school you

    by Uncle Pooky

    you shouldn't have assumed I was referring to the Kohen article mentioned in this thread. My exact words make no reference to anything other than something Fox News has pointed out IN GENERAL - and given that they are a media conglomerate, they tend to do quite a bit of reporting on things, especially during a busy news cycle such as a convention week during an election season. So, I'm sorry you took an assumption and ran with it. You were incorrect, and your argument pretty much fell apart because of it. And it continues to do so in your reply, as you conveniently sidestep the issue of pointing out the "warped facts and logic" of MY SPECIFIC POST. However, I happily invite you to give it another shot.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    @waltkovacs

    by MrLongbaugh

    I have no idea what you are talking about. I do know that you have brought up violence twice now directing it towards a friend of mine. That's not cool with me. You don't go around making threats towards people, whether it is on-line or in real life. That makes you a bully, or an internet bully. Now, let me see if I can decipher where you were going with your reply. *ryan is a phony.... before mitt's speech writers came up with that bogus line, ryan said he was a big fan of rage* Ok. You think Ryan is a phony. Like someone said in your movie, *That's like... your opinion man*. If you feel that way, you feel that way. Doesn't make a difference to me one way or the other. And when you speak of *rage*, I will go out on a dangerous limb and....ASSUME, that you are talking about Rage Against The Machine? Yes? And *that would make sense for his age*? So...you know for a fact that he isn't a fan of *Rage*? And people his age couldn't possibly like Rage? I am his age and love Rage. The last concert I went to was Tool. Do you determine who can like certain music and who can't? And *would also make sense, like most wingut fucks, he never listened to rage's lyrics...which pretty much spit on him and his ilk*. So being that I am a register Republican, I am a *wingnut fuck*? Do you see where this is going? And *here is a guy who claims he cant be a racist cuz he had jungle fever in college*? So, you also determine who is racist and who isn't? I have dated a coulpe of black ladies, so I had jungle fever also? So, it doesn't matter that some of the best friends that I have had in my life are black and I had *jungle fever*, I am a Racist because I am a *wingnut*? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Someone posted something about all the smart people being Dems or liberals. Really now....? How smart does your line of thinking sound when someone explains it to you? You see Mcgoo? See what I have to deal with, LOL!!!

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    @asi

    by MrLongbaugh

    I don't even know if I WANT to take the time and effort to explain the errors of your way of thinking. Let me go to the store and get some chips and stuff and I will think about it.

  • And anyone who doesn't agree is either a fucking moron or someone as completely intellectually dishonest as Ryan himself. What a fucking lying piece of shit asshole.

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    LOL pooky! so....

    by jay2517

    ....let me get this straight.... *you shouldn't have assumed I was referring to the Kohen article mentioned in this thread.*--- why the fuck NOT? its the only article that WAS mentioned! like i said, keep up. ya know, its kinda important to tell the fucking name of who ur referring too if ur mentioning someone OTHER than whats in the talkback. how ELSE are people supposed to know u mean someone different. and dont u think u might need CITE ur source anyway?? *My exact words make no reference to anything other than something Fox News has pointed out IN GENERAL*--- what? we're supposed to read ur freaking mind? here i can do what u did....obama was born in Kenya!! even MSNBC has pointed that out!! another swing and miss for the morons!! see? again, try to wiggle out of it all u can. u were called out for ur idiocy and now have to own up to it. no matter how u want to backtrack. *So, I'm sorry you took an assumption and ran with it.*--- nope, YOU'RE the one that didnt cite ANY particular source. Kohen was the one talked about in this very talkback. if u want to bring OTHERS, u kinda might want too...i dunno...MENTION them? keep backtracking, its fun too read :)

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST

    rock on, baugh! rock on!

    by jay2517

    and the feeling is mutual. id go into battle all day long with u buddy :)

  • wake up buddy :)

  • Aug. 31, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST

    RNC Ratings down 31% from 2008

    by Blanket-Man

    Why? Was McCain that much more interesting than Romney? Was it because we all wanted to see the semi-hot Palin say something stupid, rather than watch the 200-year-old Dirty Harry embarrass himself? Any other theories? For no real reason, I myself watched a lot less this year. I feel like I've got Election Burnout already, and the clock just struck September! I am a lifelong Dem but I might vote for Romney just cuz Obama honestly doesn't deserve a second term. But the more I watch of Romney, the less I'm inclined to vote for him. And the more I see of some of his GOP brethren, I'm even LESS inclined to vote for their guy. Maybe that's why I stayed away from the RNC... Kinda kills the inspiration toward my disappointed-in-Obama protest vote. I might just write in Bill Clinton.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST

    @blanket-man

    by MrLongbaugh

    And that is the beauty of it all. Vote for who YOU want to vote for.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST

    jay, jay, jay....

    by Uncle Pooky

    You are correct that I didn't originally cite my source. I did, however, cite my source in my second post. If you'd like to keep mentioning that I didn't cite my source originally, then I understand. But I've clearly and plainly cited my source, and have also reminded you of said source and its citation. I've also noticed that you have not yet acknowledged this source, and the information contained within it. I am not sure why that is, and would love to hear an explanation. Especially since that source refuted your point - not with opinion, but with fact. Once again, just so we're clear: the article I posted plainly and clearly shows that Paul Ryan did tell at least one outright lie during his speech. See, unfortunately for you, I understand the difference between "parlor tricks" and "actual information." For example you mention that I need to "wiggle out of it all I can." But the problem is - I don't have anything I need to wiggle out of. I said Fox News reported something, you referred to a different report (which was not what I was referring to), and once I discovered the conflicting reports, I posted the one that I was referring to. It's not really "wiggling out of something" when I say "Fox News said this..." and then in my next post provide the exact information I referred to. Again, if you'd like to explain to me how referring to and then citing a source is wiggling, backtracking, or idiocy, I'd love to hear it. In fact, I dare you.

  • and blame it on them when they didnt know i was talking about softball, if we go by ur *warped facts and logic*. wiggle, show ur idiocy and kepp backtracking away...

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 1:26 a.m. CST

    If you're asking do I go through and read every post, then no.

    by Uncle Pooky

    I usually skim the headlines to see if there's anything interesting or of note. I saw a headline that stated "EVERYTHING RYAN SAID WAS 100% TRUE." It was this headline: Aug 31, 2012 9:57:11 AM CDT EVERYTHING RYAN SAID WAS 100% TRUE. by i am the terminator You can go back and check that for yourself. I haven't spun that, wiggled it, shown any idiocy or backtracked (except to find the post). That's a real post, on this very web page you're looking at right now. In real life. Since I knew that headline was not accurate, I posted a response. That response, of course, being that Fox News has pointed out that Ryan was, in fact, being untruthful. Which, and this is important - I wasn't wrong about. It was a Fox News article that did report that Ryan was being untruthful. Ryan said something that was not true. That's a provable fact that cannot be refuted. I can't help but notice that I continue to provide evidence to support my points in this discussion, while you do not. I don't mind, just so you know. It's just... at some point, isn't "wiggle, show ur idiocy and kepp backtracking away" going to grow thin?

  • trust me, the dude is a walking mound of fuktard.

  • ...obama promised, if elected, that plant would not close (im assuming thats the *lie* ur referring to, but with u, who knows?). it closed in April of 2009. obama was president at that time. ryan IS correct. THIS fact is irrefutable....that is until u move the goal posts again?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:43 a.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh, If I'm an "ASS" for assuming...

    by Stalkeye

    ...it doesn't diminish that fact that you and your ilk are ASSHOLES. Talk about assuming, well as for my response to waltkovacs' post I thought the remark about Led Zepplin & Sex Pistols was funny ergo, "Well said" but obviously your Leatherneck or shall I say; Leatherbrain, has obviously jumped to some paranoid conclusion that I'm threatening someone or I'm this internet bully. Love your cute little response: "Jay lives about 45 minutes away from me. You want to be a bully, I got his back. Trust me, I am more than qualified to deal with violent situations. Parris Island, Camp Lejeune, 29 Palms, Quanitco, Bridgeport, CA. Yeah, I can handle myself. " Ohhhh, I'm so scared of the big bad marine. Look here "GIJoe Gung Ho Mofo" I am also capable of handling violent situations and I don't need to brag (i.e. Floss) about my *Ahem* expertise. So do me a favor and shut your mouth as I'm not impressed you simple, simple Man. Yeah, I praised McGoo for being the better man but I'm not like him in any way shape or form because sometimes, I find it kinda hard to be "Civil" when the opposing Party consist of ignorant, arrogant,racist elitist fucks who only give a damn about the the distribution of wealth as long as it spreads to the lining of their pockets while the working class get fucked over. Oh and of course there's the hilarious Pro-Life, Birther,Tea Party Movement you fuckers are a sad Joke within yourselves. (Clit Eastwood further proved it.) So where's the Vitrol coming from longlimbaugh? moreso from you than me. It seems that you got all sensitive to the extent that you wished Asi would stay banned as opposed to conducting a civil counterpoint or just write him off entirely. But nooooo, you got all upset and shit. Hmm, maybe could it be that you don't like the fact that some "Foreigner" pointed out certain flaws within your Party. Xenophobic perhaps? LMMFAO Thanks for the kind words, Jar-Jar Head. It's been fun.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST

    And just cause it's Satire Saturday, here's mrlongbaugh Pt.2

    by Stalkeye

    Quote: "So, you also determine who is racist and who isn't? I have dated a coulpe of black ladies, so I had jungle fever also? So, it doesn't matter that some of the best friends that I have had in my life are black and I had *jungle fever*, I am a Racist because I am a *wingnut*? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? " I realize one thing,Most Republicans are Racist and Bama's term has more than proved it. Your defensive quote was laughable that's almost as bad as some Douche being affiliated with a Neo Nazi Party and saying I dated a couple of Jewish Girls and his best friends are Jewish. Guilt by association, Son. (Don't get me started on Black Republicans) So, baugh once you went Black, it seemed that you came back? You listen to TOOL? What a boring ass Band and their concert in MSG Ten Years ago proved it.But I can't complain since My GF at the time, treated me to that Train wreck of a show. Yeah, their only good song was Sober and that's it. You like TOOL because you Sir, are a Tool.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:18 a.m. CST

    mrlongbaugh is probably a MINO

    by Stalkeye

    Marine in name only. How's that Double XP in MW3 working out for ya?

  • McGoo, McGoo what can I say other than it's a tad difficult to take the enlightened path when dealing with Neo CONs, Wingnuts, Dittoheads, Zealots,etc. I know it's best not to go to their level and I agree, but "certain" knee-jerk (emphasis on "JERK") posts are so deserving of a unkind response. I'm more than capable of having a Civil conversation whether it's Politics,Music or Movies. But as the saying goes, This is AICN where people who tend to disagree just go at it free for all Battle Royal.This is passion. This is AICN's culture otherwise almost every post or account would've been banned eons ago. It's a thing called free speech and although I strongly disagree with what many have said, they are entitled to their rights, just expect to be called out on 'em the minute one says over-the-top shit. As that Song from Metallica goes: "Free speech for the Dumb". You are a kindhearted Man with a lot of patience and I applaud you for that but me, I can only tolerate so much venom(from what I have see,read or heard.) to the point of stirring the shit back at em. That being said, I did promise that I won't go after Chrriiisssmm by calling him an Uncle Tom or whathaveye.(So it's progress in the works.LOL) Annnd for the most part, the Repubs are making bigger fools out of themselves so leave it to me to reaffirm that sentiment. Limbaugh er, I meant "Longbaugh" in his blind angst overlooked the fact that just because I said you showed a Modicum of Class doesn't necessarily mean that I fall within that category. Just like he was quick to AASume that I was down with some poster threatening his Brokeback Buddy who lives 45 mins away. That Simpleton Fi needs to get over himself. Anyway, Thanks for all your kind words in the past and even if you regret it, it's all good Amigo. (0:'

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Everything Clint said @ the RNC...

    by Sigmar25

    Was right. I can't wait to vote Obama's dumb ass out of office come November.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Wait - did jay2517 just prove my point?

    by Uncle Pooky

    trust me, the dude is a walking mound of fuktard.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    my post got eaten...

    by Uncle Pooky

    So here's the short version.... I haven't said Ryan lied about the plant closing. In fact, the source I cited says that he wasn't. But there were other things in his speech that he did lie about. Which means that he was not "100% true in everything he said."

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    jay - Ryan's speech wasn't just the story about the plant closing...

    by Uncle Pooky

    you get that, right? He talked about a whole lot of other stuff.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST

    UNCLE POOKY

    by I am the Terminator

    The post of mine that you referred to was supposed to have quotation marks around the subject line. The REASON being that it was a direct quote taken from JAY2517-90210 = IDIOT!! The rest of that post will make sense when shown in that context. Apparently, JAY2517-90210 is and was too STUPID, LAZY, and BLIND to see this or even know to which post you were talking about. This surprises NO ONE as JAY2517-90210 is this place's resident RETARD and GOP CUM GUZZLER!!!!! NEW AND IMPROVED!!

  • every time i school u, u come back and claim- *thats not what i was talking about*. well, how about this idiot...how about u actually START being fucking SPECIFIC about ur points instead making blanket statements. its not that hard. pooky- *ryan LIED and Fox called him out*. EVERY idiotic progressive hack is talking about the Ryan fact of obama promising the plant wouldnt close. 'ol pooky here makes a fucking stupid blanket statement and WE'RE supposed to read his fucking mind that he MEANT all the *other lies* Ryan said? SURE, pooky, SURE!! u got called to the carpet, just admit it and move on lol!

  • poor wittle feller! internet cowards, such as u stalky, would last 2 seconds in the real world. but, its fun to read ur bigotry, racism and hate! projection fits the AICN progressive to a *T*! ahhh, its a good day indeed!

  • walking mound of fuktard does not translate well to english. yet another internet coward rears his oh most awesome persona!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    JAY2517-90210, YOU'RE A GOP SHILLING RETARD.

    by I am the Terminator

    CONTEXT. SENSE. ANY QUESTIONS?? NEW AND IMPROVED, BIATCH!!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    @Jay

    by MrLongbaugh

    All I did was copy his post and paste it. Everything I posted was his own words. I gues the truth hurts. And I thought the Libs were pro-gay, anti-racism, etc... Sounds to me like he is a homophobe and a racist. I thought the libs were against those things. Once again, shows you who the party of hate really is. I never called him a single name. I only said he was making himself look like an ass. And look at the multiple posts he comes back with. I seem to have struck a nerve. And I love this one, *So where's the Vitrol coming from longlimbaugh? moreso from you than me.* That is hilarious!! Guess he doesn't take time to even realize what he is posting. Can you feel the hate coming from him? And isn't it funny....poor guy wants to be an Amigo. LMAO Who wants to break the bad news to him? LOL Why do we even waste our time?

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    i know, baugh!

    by jay2517

    *Can you feel the hate coming from him?*--- i *know* now what Emperor Palpatine felt in ROTJ LOL!! the most vile, disgusting, hate filled , racist etc. comments ALWAYS come from liberals/progressives. it blows my mind that they are totally oblivious to it. willful ignorance, u think lol?? its truly sad.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 7 p.m. CST

    Oh Jay...Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay, Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...it only seemed like a good day to you because I thought I had chased all the little liars out of here and so I hadn't checked back. Lying Ryan said the Simpson-Bowles Commission presented Obama with an urgent set of proposals and Obama ignored every one. But the Commission's proposals were never officially presented because they were voted down in committee. One of the votes against and the most strident voice raised in opposition was who....hey, it was Lying Ryan! And even without the proposals being officially presented Obama still acted on several of the elements contained therein. Lying Ryan! And of course Lying Ryan never mentioned that when the proposals were brought to a vote in a different format in the House of Representatives it lost 382-38, with virtually no Republican support and very little Democratic support either. But wait, Lying Ryan said he brought it to Obama on a silver platter with a poofy little purple pillow and Obama, who could have enacted it by royal fiat, spit on it and kicked Ryan down the stairs! Lying Ryan for the loss! All right, that's two, this one and the plant closing. But there are even better ones waiting. Man, I love that AAA Credit Lie. Tell you what, just to make it fair. I won't check this thread for another full day. We'll pretend I'm say...hey, I've got an idea. Pretend I'm an empty chair. It can be a new fun GOP game. Can a conservative win an argument with an empty chair. So far none of you have, but you know, Jay, you might just be the Randian ubermensch who can do it. Then I'll come back and point out your lies again. Seriously, Jay, Romney couldn't even organize a convention. The first night was assault a minority night. The second night they let Ryan walk up on stage and blubber out the most easily rebutted bullshit to ever dribble from the Randhole of a hypocritical objectivist. Third night they supposedly let an octogenarian actor ad lib to a chair in a featured speaking slot right before the nominee was introduced. And they hyped it all week long just to make sure that during one of the most unwatched conventions in years, the most people possible would tune in. You're making an idiot out of yourself for a guy who can't even run a convention. Actually, when I put it that way it seems sort of predictable. Anyway, I'll check back in tomorrow, Jay. You wrassle that chair!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST

    *sigh* red, i didnt lie and ur opinion is, as always, not fact.

    by jay2517

    but, im sure TPM, KOS, MM appreciate ur loyal readership! fucking idiocy, thy name is AICN progressives....

  • u sure u didnt audition for the Skarsgard part in Green Lantern?? just curious, i think ud be perfect!

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Winning.

  • Sept. 1, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    I Love Clint but watching that all I could think of was

    by SID 8.0

    "Right turn Clyde."

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST

    LMMFAO Whose Widdle feelings were hurt? Certainly not mine.

    by Stalkeye

    It's obvious that you two, The "Dynamic Duo" project waaay too much. Racist and Homophobe"? LOL Is that the best you Jerks can come up with? Sorry to disappoint you GOPhers but if any of you read my other posts outside of the Political threads,(In which I fought against Racist TBers for comments against Minorities and Whites.) those accusations would be contrary. Whereas your party make you guys quite the contradiction. Who's the douchebag that made threats albeit idle threats, based on assumptions? (Jeopardy music) " I'll take Mrlongbaugh for $5000.00 Alex". Don't expect a Civil response for those triffling boasts, "Amigo". And since it was "Satire Saturday" why not throw in an extra "Kind" words for ya Longby? It's been fun. Really it, has. Now, Just SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform and move the fuck on. "Run Forrest, Run"! (0:' It's apparent that you guys don't know of me, so I'm not bothered or impressed by said accusations anyway. However, I do have disdain for your Kind (Wingnuts, Neo Cons, Dittoheads,etc.) for there utter belligerence and of course blatant Hypocrisy. It seems that the "Hate" is coming from many Tbers' sentiments toward you Jay. I have more than said my Piece and shall continue to enjoy you, who is hopelessly outnumbered as Cannon Fodder. Quote: "And isn't it funny....poor guy wants to be an Amigo. LMAO Who wants to break the bad news to him? LOL Why do we even waste our time?" Now THAT'S another desperate attack ploy. I said "Amigo" to McGoo as a salutation and a sign of respect. But at the same turn, I think it's best that he avoid these Political Threads altogether as it brings the "Worst" of us.............. Well mostly from your "Peeps" anyways. Same Bat Time Same Bat Channel

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    mr. nice gaius

    by jay2517

    jay2517- tigers blood

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST

    sure, stalky, suuure!!

    by jay2517

    ur a piece of shit. thats cool. no skin off my back. keep on being the *enlightened* and *tolerant* person u are, little man. have at it :) *It seems that the "Hate" is coming from many Tbers' sentiments toward you Jay.* which totally proves my points. it sad u live in a dome of stupidity. ....*cannon fodder* indeed......

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Hey Jay...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...facts are facts. For instance, the fact that Lying Ryan voted against the Simpson-Bowles proposal that he claimed was presented to the President so urgently is a fact. The fact that those same proposals Ryan accused President Obama of ignoring were voted against not just by Lying Ryan himself but by all but sixteen House Republicans when it finally was brought to the floor in a different form is a fact. Not my opinion. Not my facts. Just facts. The dates when GM announced that the plant in Janesville would close, when they shut down main production and when the Bush administration finally came through with the bridge loan that came too late to save the plant are facts. So are the words President Obama said at that plant. Now it is my opinion that Obama's policy, the policy he was speaking of when he stood outside that plant that was doomed before he took office, saved plants across our nation from suffering the same fate. But the American auto industry is no longer on the brink of extinction, and that's what changed, so it seems a pretty good bet. Facts, Jay. I know they burn you, little trooper, but if you acclimate yourself to them by degrees they also illuminate your life. Or you can keep calling facts a liberal conspiracy. And you've got the wrong Skaarsgard. Right now I'm playing the role of Stellan in Thor. Just a guy going about his business who knows more than you. Well, at least if you believe the nonsense you're spouting. It's extremely hard to tell about these things over the internet but I have a feeling that you're not that low information voter, Jay. I think you spread your bilious falsehoods hoping to convince the kind of person you're portraying yourself to be. You might think that's a compliment, because I'm suggesting you're not stubbornly stupid. Believe me when I tell you it is not.

  • Sept. 2, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Hey, Mr. Nice Gaius!

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Always a pleasure to read your name in these long white columns of nonsense.

  • FACT. no matter how much u spin it. i wish i could say this is tiring, but its not. i LOVE pointing out how wrong u idiot progressives are. LOVE. IT. BTW- this comment....i DID build it :)

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 4:16 a.m. CST

    Thanks Jay, Love ya too.

    by Stalkeye

    And if anyone is trapped in a Dumb Dome, it's you and your fellow Wingnutjobs. Yeah, Iv'e read some of your extreme hateful posts especially within Herc's Political Talkbacks and judging from said posts you are certainly a bitter bastid.LOL And with such an attitude and desposition that is worse than your other "Mates' like Chrisssmm, Coughlin Laws, Etc. Don't you realize that your silly angst and naivete only breed more contempt for you? Why should ALL Liberals be Civil when it's so blatantly obvious that your "Good Ol Boys'" have a Primary objective and that's to make sure that Bammy is a one term President even if it means America's internal collapse? I'm glad to to see Libs or moderates lashing out at you and your Ilk since you fuckers have been spewing hate and rhetoric for the longest. "Iron Sharpeth Iron". Keep trashing Herc, Maher or whoever b/c it shows that "Someone" is obviously intimidated by their sentiments, talking points and....... *Galactic Emperor Voice* .....oh, yes..FACTS! Enjoy your Holiday. (0:'

  • u idiots are a sad lot.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks and likewise. Keep up the good fight. Dead-enders like Jay2517 are just a blight on these boards. If you continue to combat them point-for-point, they will eventually crumble and/or accuse you of stalking their posts. It's inevitable whenever dealing with a group of simpletons who take their marching orders from Limbaugh, Newsbusters, and every other hack outfit they claim has the real "facts". Cheers, sir.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Like I've said before: Projection, thy name is Jay2517.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Welcome to his delusional, post-truth world.

  • Sept. 3, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST

    @stalkeye

    by MrLongbaugh

    I can't believe I am even going to try to explain this to you. 1) Aug 30, 2012 5:24:18 PM CDT @asimov_lives by mrlongbaugh Please go back to being banned. McGoo, he doesn't know squat about America. He JUST THINKS he knows everything about everything. I am doing my best to stay out of this, but it is getting more difficult with each passing day. 2) Aug 31, 2012 8:29:10 AM CDT RE: "Please go back to being banned. McGoo, he doesn't know squat about America. He JUST THINKS he knows everything about everything." by stalkeye Buahahahahahahah! It looks like my Friend asi touched a nerve in order to get that vitrolic response from Mrlongbaugh. Yeah, someone from Portugal schooled a few ignorant NeoCons. Asimov so speaketh the truth and the truth hurt longbaugh to an extent that he wished him Banned forever. Sour Grapes, Buddy? How's it going McGoo: I respect the fact that you have taken the enlightend path of the higher road and it shows that you have a modicum of (Much needed0 Class. But it's kinda hard to be Civil to these arrogant conservative pricks be they stem from the RNC or especially these talkback forums. All I get from these Conventions, is Obama thrashing yet, these hypocrites fail to provide some sort of solution/plan on how they would handle the finacial crises if elected. The angry,disenfranchised and dsillutioned will easily feed on negativity and propaganda which is what the RepubliCONs are relying on. We shall see wether this tactic works or not during November. And remember my fellow Democrats, make sure you have your voters registration completed and of course State ID ready when going to the polls. 3) Aug 31, 2012 6:33:19 PM CDT @stalkeye by mrlongbaugh My dislike for him has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with him and his, at times, stupid posts. Shows how bright you are. Jumping headlong into something you know nothing about. Ever heard the saying *Don't assume anything. You will make an ass out of you and me*. YOU are the only one looking like an ASS, not me. Go to the top and start reading the posts. Look at all the insults being slung around because someone has different political views than yours. I know Jay has done some name calling, but to me, the majority of it is being done by *so called Dems* and the supporters of Obama. In your post you call me a *ignorant NeoCons*. I haven't said one thing about politics so you have NO CLUE where I stand on ANY issues. So, once again, YOU are looking like an ASS. And then you have a post by waltkovacs *jay2517, you wingnut fuck* where he goes on to state*I BET I KICKED HIS ASS IN SCHOOL CUZ HE LISTENED TO ZEPP WHILE I WAS LISTENING TO THE PISTOLS*. And you respond *Well said!* So you guys are a couple of Internet bullies now? Oh.....we are so scared. Jay lives about 45 minutes away from me. You want to be a bully, I got his back. Trust me, I am more than qualified to deal with violent situations. Parris Island, Camp Lejeune, 29 Palms, Quanitco, Bridgeport, CA. Yeah, I can handle myself. And you make other ridiculous posts like *I respect the fact that you have taken the enlightened path of the higher road and it shows that you have a modicum of (Much needed0 Class. But it's kinda hard to be Civil to these arrogant conservative pricks be they stem from the RNC or especially these talkback forums.*, *enduring the overt negative hyperbole that stems from the ignorant masses at the RNC. I just have to laugh at these Assclowns sometimes however, I feel bad for the Country with all this infighting amongst the parties as it may inevitably lead to America's downfall.*. You talk about taking the high road? About having class? I haven't said one thing to you and you are calling me a ignorant neocon, arrogant conservative prick, and an Assclown. I am sure anyone who reads this talkback from top to bottom will tell you that I have a shitload more class than you. What say you McGoo? Who has and who has not shown class through out this EPIC discussion? @Pa Thanks for your kind words. I haven't been doing any fighting. I haven't EVEN been involved in the discussion. I said one thing to a person who I have called out on several other occasions for saying some stupid shit. That is the end of another programing day. Good night and God Bless!! 4) Aug 31, 2012 6:41:12 PM CDT mrlongbaugh - you have indeed, shown the most class and respect - kudos to you, even though we disagree politically, my respect for you will NEVER diminish by mcgootoo You've had my back on many occasions as well I try to tell people to keep things civil, but it just doesn't take. I hope you are doing well, sir.... 5) Sep 01, 2012 3:43:51 AM CDT mrlongbaugh, If I'm an "ASS" for assuming... by stalkeye ...it doesn't diminish that fact that you and your ilk are ASSHOLES. Talk about assuming, well as for my response to waltkovacs' post I thought the remark about Led Zepplin & Sex Pistols was funny ergo, "Well said" but obviously your Leatherneck or shall I say; Leatherbrain, has obviously jumped to some paranoid conclusion that I'm threatening someone or I'm this internet bully. Love your cute little response: "Jay lives about 45 minutes away from me. You want to be a bully, I got his back. Trust me, I am more than qualified to deal with violent situations. Parris Island, Camp Lejeune, 29 Palms, Quanitco, Bridgeport, CA. Yeah, I can handle myself. " Ohhhh, I'm so scared of the big bad marine. Look here "GIJoe Gung Ho Mofo" I am also capable of handling violent situations and I don't need to brag (i.e. Floss) about my *Ahem* expertise. So do me a favor and shut your mouth as I'm not impressed you simple, simple Man. Yeah, I praised McGoo for being the better man but I'm not like him in any way shape or form because sometimes, I find it kinda hard to be "Civil" when the opposing Party consist of ignorant, arrogant,racist elitist fucks who only give a damn about the the distribution of wealth as long as it spreads to the lining of their pockets while the working class get fucked over. Oh and of course there's the hilarious Pro-Life, Birther,Tea Party Movement you fuckers are a sad Joke within yourselves. (Clit Eastwood further proved it.) So where's the Vitrol coming from longlimbaugh? moreso from you than me. It seems that you got all sensitive to the extent that you wished Asi would stay banned as opposed to conducting a civil counterpoint or just write him off entirely. But nooooo, you got all upset and shit. Hmm, maybe could it be that you don't like the fact that some "Foreigner" pointed out certain flaws within your Party. Xenophobic perhaps? LMMFAO Thanks for the kind words, Jar-Jar Head. It's been fun. 6) Sep 01, 2012 4:03:12 AM CDT And just cause it's Satire Saturday, here's mrlongbaugh Pt.2 by stalkeye Quote: "So, you also determine who is racist and who isn't? I have dated a coulpe of black ladies, so I had jungle fever also? So, it doesn't matter that some of the best friends that I have had in my life are black and I had *jungle fever*, I am a Racist because I am a *wingnut*? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? " I realize one thing,Most Republicans are Racist and Bama's term has more than proved it. Your defensive quote was laughable that's almost as bad as some Douche being affiliated with a Neo Nazi Party and saying I dated a couple of Jewish Girls and his best friends are Jewish. Guilt by association, Son. (Don't get me started on Black Republicans) So, baugh once you went Black, it seemed that you came back? You listen to TOOL? What a boring ass Band and their concert in MSG Ten Years ago proved it.But I can't complain since My GF at the time, treated me to that Train wreck of a show. Yeah, their only good song was Sober and that's it. You like TOOL because you Sir, are a Tool. 7) Sep 01, 2012 4:18:57 AM CDT mrlongbaugh is probably a MINO by stalkeye Marine in name only. How's that Double XP in MW3 working out for ya? 8) Sep 01, 2012 5:00:30 AM CDT RE: "I try to tell people to keep things civil, but it just doesn't take." by stalkeye McGoo, McGoo what can I say other than it's a tad difficult to take the enlightened path when dealing with Neo CONs, Wingnuts, Dittoheads, Zealots,etc. I know it's best not to go to their level and I agree, but "certain" knee-jerk (emphasis on "JERK") posts are so deserving of a unkind response. I'm more than capable of having a Civil conversation whether it's Politics,Music or Movies. But as the saying goes, This is AICN where people who tend to disagree just go at it free for all Battle Royal.This is passion. This is AICN's culture otherwise almost every post or account would've been banned eons ago. It's a thing called free speech and although I strongly disagree with what many have said, they are entitled to their rights, just expect to be called out on 'em the minute one says over-the-top shit. As that Song from Metallica goes: "Free speech for the Dumb". You are a kindhearted Man with a lot of patience and I applaud you for that but me, I can only tolerate so much venom(from what I have see,read or heard.) to the point of stirring the shit back at em. That being said, I did promise that I won't go after Chrriiisssmm by calling him an Uncle Tom or whathaveye.(So it's progress in the works.LOL) Annnd for the most part, the Repubs are making bigger fools out of themselves so leave it to me to reaffirm that sentiment. Limbaugh er, I meant "Longbaugh" in his blind angst overlooked the fact that just because I said you showed a Modicum of Class doesn't necessarily mean that I fall within that category. Just like he was quick to AASume that I was down with some poster threatening his Brokeback Buddy who lives 45 mins away. That Simpleton Fi needs to get over himself. Anyway, Thanks for all your kind words in the past and even if you regret it, it's all good Amigo. (0:' 9) Sep 01, 2012 3:26:36 PM CDT @Jay by mrlongbaugh All I did was copy his post and paste it. Everything I posted was his own words. I guess the truth hurts. And I thought the Libs were pro-gay, anti-racism, etc... Sounds to me like he is a homophobe and a racist. I thought the libs were against those things. Once again, shows you who the party of hate really is. I never called him a single name. I only said he was making himself look like an ass. And look at the multiple posts he comes back with. I seem to have struck a nerve. And I love this one, *So where's the Vitrol coming from longlimbaugh? moreso from you than me.* That is hilarious!! Guess he doesn't take time to even realize what he is posting. Can you feel the hate coming from him? And isn't it funny....poor guy wants to be an Amigo. LMAO Who wants to break the bad news to him? LOL Why do we even waste our time? 10) Sep 02, 2012 3:04:45 AM CDT LMMFAO Whose Widdle feelings were hurt? Certainly not mine. by stalkeye It's obvious that you two, The "Dynamic Duo" project waaay too much. Racist and Homophobe"? LOL Is that the best you Jerks can come up with? Sorry to disappoint you GOPhers but if any of you read my other posts outside of the Political threads,(In which I fought against Racist TBers for comments against Minorities and Whites.) those accusations would be contrary. Whereas your party make you guys quite the contradiction. Who's the douchebag that made threats albeit idle threats, based on assumptions? (Jeopardy music) " I'll take Mrlongbaugh for $5000.00 Alex". Don't expect a Civil response for those triffling boasts, "Amigo". And since it was "Satire Saturday" why not throw in an extra "Kind" words for ya Longby? It's been fun. Really it, has. Now, Just SierraTangoFoxtrotUniform and move the fuck on. "Run Forrest, Run"! (0:' It's apparent that you guys don't know of me, so I'm not bothered or impressed by said accusations anyway. However, I do have disdain for your Kind (Wingnuts, Neo Cons, Dittoheads,etc.) for there utter belligerence and of course blatant Hypocrisy. It seems that the "Hate" is coming from many Tbers' sentiments toward you Jay. I have more than said my Piece and shall continue to enjoy you, who is hopelessly outnumbered as Cannon Fodder. Quote: "And isn't it funny....poor guy wants to be an Amigo. LMAO Who wants to break the bad news to him? LOL Why do we even waste our time?" Now THAT'S another desperate attack ploy. I said "Amigo" to McGoo as a salutation and a sign of respect. But at the same turn, I think it's best that he avoid these Political Threads altogether as it brings the "Worst" of us.............. Well mostly from your "Peeps" anyways. Same Bat Time Same Bat Channel 11) Sep 03, 2012 4:16:23 AM CDT Thanks Jay, Love ya too. by stalkeye And if anyone is trapped in a Dumb Dome, it's you and your fellow Wingnutjobs. Yeah, Iv'e read some of your extreme hateful posts especially within Herc's Political Talkbacks and judging from said posts you are certainly a bitter bastid.LOL And with such an attitude and desposition that is worse than your other "Mates' like Chrisssmm, Coughlin Laws, Etc. Don't you realize that your silly angst and naivete only breed more contempt for you? Why should ALL Liberals be Civil when it's so blatantly obvious that your "Good Ol Boys'" have a Primary objective and that's to make sure that Bammy is a one term President even if it means America's internal collapse? I'm glad to to see Libs or moderates lashing out at you and your Ilk since you fuckers have been spewing hate and rhetoric for the longest. "Iron Sharpeth Iron". Keep trashing Herc, Maher or whoever b/c it shows that "Someone" is obviously intimidated by their sentiments, talking points and....... *Galactic Emperor Voice* .....oh, yes..FACTS! Enjoy your Holiday. (0:' OK. HERE WE GO. I hate spending a lot of time on this, because this is obviously an exercise in futility. You have already shown that you don't have the ability to read and understand things. Read slowly and try to take this in a little bit at a time. I have put the post in chronological order to help you keep up. They are also numbered to help you even more. Now.....try to keep up scooter!! Post 1) Was a post directed to someone else by name. It is a post between myself and another person ( i.e. not you). You are not mentioned any where in the post. No where in the post are politics mentioned. So, how the fuck was anything that was said any of your fucking buisness? mmmm...It wasn't!! Are you with me so far? Post 2) Is where you chose to launch a personal attack on me for reasons unkown to anyone but you. You go on to make statements such as the following. Buahahahahahahah! It looks like my Friend asi touched a nerve in order to get that vitrolic response from Mrlongbaugh. Yeah, someone from Portugal schooled a few ignorant NeoCons. Asimov so speaketh the truth and the truth hurt longbaugh to an extent that he wished him Banned forever. Sour Grapes, Buddy? We aren't going to count Buahahahahahahah! as a sentence. So, I know this post was directed towards me because it has a qoute of mine from Post 1). My name is also mentioned in the first two sentences. You also ask me a question. Ok. This tells me that the post is directed at me, and that you are talking to me and/or talking about me. Do you understand how that works? You still with me? This is the first time that someone calls another a name when you call me an *ignorant NeoCon*. Can you dispute this FACT? I'm waiting.......Didn't fucking think so!! You also go on to call me *arrogant conservative prick* and *hypocrite*. Can you dispute this FACT? Not a chance in hell!! This is also the post when you reveal what party you belong to *And remember my fellow Democrats, make sure you have your voters registration completed and of course State ID ready when going to the polls.* Any argument here? I sure as shit hope not. That is all the time we are going to spend on Post 2 for the time being. Now we are going to discuss a Post that I might should have included. Aug 31, 2012 10:50:11 AM CDT McGoo, I'll leave the mudslinging for tonight's Realtime with Bill maher as it should be very interesting. by stalkeye Especially due to his take on the RNC. Perfect comedic material and what's funny is that Bill and his crack staff joke writers don't have to rack their brains when poking jabs at the Convention guests and attendees since this Week's events practically writes itself. Hope you're having a great one and Yes, I agree that Titties and a Cold Beer is much preferable than enduring the overt negative hyperbole that stems from the ignorant masses at the RNC. I just have to laugh at these Assclowns sometimes however, I feel bad for the Country with all this infighting amongst the parties as it may inevitably lead to America's downfall. Peace. This Post is important because it along with Post 2 confirms your hatred for Republicans. Are you going to dispute this in any way? I hope not. You are a stupid motherfucker if you do. Now, take notice. That is the first time that I have called you a name(other than being an internet bully). And that is only on conditional terms, being that *you are a stupid motherfucker* if you try to dispute what I posted. The posts are all right above, so anyone can look for themselves and see. The subject of name calling will come up again, so.... pleaseeee try to keep up. Post 3 Is where I address you for the first time. Now think about what has been posted so far. I haven't said your name or said anything to you. I have said nothing about politics. You have called me various names and spewed nothing but hate towards a group whose political beliefs happen to be different than yours. Please sparky...try to keep up. This is also where I allegedly called you an ass. Am I right on this? Because the subject line of Post 5 reads *mrlongbaugh, If I'm an "ASS" for assuming...*...along with this jewel *it doesn't diminish that fact that you and your ilk are ASSHOLES.* I know this is so damn hard for you. I do. I understand. I want you to read Post 3 again. I make the following statements. **Ever heard the saying *Don't assume anything. You will make an ass out of you and me*. YOU are the only one looking like an ASS, not me.** and **I haven't said one thing about politics so you have NO CLUE where I stand on ANY issues. So, once again, YOU are looking like an ASS.** You have to pay close attention here. Did I actually call you an ASS? Ummmm.....no!! I said that making the assumptions that you were, you were (IMPORTANT) making yourself LOOK like an ASS. And you know what? You were...and will continue to do so in this thread. This is also where the alleged *threats albeit idle threats* were made. Where did I ever make a threat? We are all waiting....and will continue to wait, because I DIDN'T make any threats. I stated *You want to be a bully, I got his back.* Now where is this phantom threat you speak of? I got his back? That's a threat? Damn son, you need to take your foolish ass back to school. NOW I have called you an ass. Do you understand how that works? This is really sad. I go on in Post 3 to explain how for the first time that I hadn't said anything and YOU were the one attacking ME and YOU were the one going on hate filled rants, not ME. Comprende? At this point I asked my friend McGoo who was showing class and who wasn't. His response is Post 4). I then reply to another friend paburrows_rises about a statement he made about me fighting the good fight. I told him * I haven't been doing any fighting. I haven't EVEN been involved in the discussion. I said one thing to a person who I have called out on several other occasions for saying some stupid shit.* Once again....for who knows how many times...I SAID NOTHING TO YOU!!! I NEVER MENTIONED POLITICS!! Can you get that through your shit for brains head? DAMN!!!! Has I stated, *I haven't said one thing to you and you are calling me a ignorant neocon, arrogant conservative prick, and an Assclown.* Have patience little guy...this will be over with soon. Post 4 Is McGoo's responce. Here it is again. Read this over and over....and don't forget it!!! Aug 31, 2012 6:41:12 PM CDT mrlongbaugh - you have indeed, shown the most class and respect - kudos to you, even though we disagree politically, my respect for you will NEVER diminish by mcgootoo You've had my back on many occasions as well I try to tell people to keep things civil, but it just doesn't take. I hope you are doing well, sir.... Repeat after me...mrlongbaugh-you have indeed, shown the most class and respect. I want you to look yourself in the mirror every day when you get up and say those words. mrlongbaugh-you have indeed, shown the most class and respect. mrlongbaugh-you have indeed, shown the most class and respect. Repeat that over and over until it takes root in that pathetic thing you call your brain. He also states *my respect for you will NEVER diminish*. See there runt, McGoo respects ME.....not YOU!!! And *I try to tell people to keep things civil, but it just doesn't take.* As I hope you can tell, McGoo was stating that I was being civil....you were not. Sigh.....onward we go. Post 5 We will pick on the lesson tomorrow. You be sure and bring your smart ass back here if you want me to continue schooling you. It is A LOT easier than you can imagine.

  • How far you would go beyond lengths just to "prove' a point. LMMFAO The way I see it, wishing anyone banned because of opposing views is not a cool thing, and once again demonstrates the hypocrisy of your kind. You don't see me wishing Bans because of opposing views. Oh, after I said my previous piece towards you, we're done. You are officially insucnifcent and hereby no longer matter. However, one more response can't hurt.Oh, and did i forget to mention that your Party will lose this November? You haven't "schooled" anyone and Mcgoo can respect whomever he wishes that's his God given right. I could really care less in regards to that matter. yeah, I'm soooooo hurt my Life is ruined. LOL Copying and pasting my posts verbatim? Thanks I'm so flattered. It's been fun and stay "Classy".

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 8:22 a.m. CST

    @stalkeye LMAO...just what I thought

    by MrLongbaugh

    You got tired of being shown what a world class douche bag, dumb ass that you are real quick. Now run along boy while I am in a good mood. Stupid motherfucker!!! :))

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    @Jay

    by MrLongbaugh

    You see that? The dumb ass attacks me for no reason, and then can't handle being shown what class-less asshole he is. He just tapped out, LOL!! Should I continue and finish the lesson? or should I show him mercy?

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    @Nah stalkeye...I'm not done with you yet, LMAO

    by MrLongbaugh

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    well, baugh, ill put it the way......

    by jay2517

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hHDxlm66dE :)

  • ...cant say im surprised, i see it all the time. confront a bloviating coward, such as stalky, with facts and what happens..... .....*Longbaugn I found your Post too long and boring to continue reading your counterpoints.*--- BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! what fucking cowardice! OF COURSE u read EVERY fucking bit of baughs post. u just couldnt DENY his facts! what a fucking hypocrite and COWARD u are. it is (hell, we ALL knew it) now PROVEN. what a joke u are. should u show him mercy??? well ill let a great Public TV news anchorman answer that....*NO COMMERCIALS!! NO MERCY!!!!

  • Sept. 4, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    poor, poor idiotic gauis...

    by jay2517

    ....i point out projection, little feller! u know that, but it is kinda(?) fun to see u engage in it.

  • Sept. 9, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Only coward I see, is YOU, JAY2517

    by Uncle Pooky