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A Lovely Little Sequence Deleted From AVENGERS - Featuring Captain America!!
I love this sequence.
When looking at THE AVENGERS as a whole, I can see why this material was excised from the film...it doesn't quite see to gel with the narrative going on around it. But this doesn't change the power and breadth of what's happening within this very small block of time.
When THE WINTER SOLDIER Captain America movie sequel rolls around, I certainly don't want to watch two hours of Steve Rogers moping about - but I do sincerely hope some of the heart and soul suggested by this Whedon-helmed sequence makes it into that next picture.
This comes to us via Latino Review...I'm assuming this is one of the deleted scenes that'll be featured on the movie's ever encroaching home video release.
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Not needed, but not bad either!
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
I liked Stan's cameo in this sequence better than what ended up in the final cut
by nephilim138
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Stupid workplace computers and their outdated software.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
And not just talking about the Lucky Ad before the clip!
by Sumatran_Rat_Monkey
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But I actually like this. It might not have dragged the film all that much.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
Bucky was a conspicuous absence from the gym flashbacks.
by whatevillurks
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the deleted scenes seemed to have a heavier tone than the final cut. The scene with the files and the boxing could have remained and just cut the middle section. It's a little thing I know, but I like that the scene spends a little time with Rogers' alienation. The "I get that reference" moment is too light hearted to play as anything but a "oh look Cap is out of time and place." Ah well. Perhaps Winter Soldier is the time and place for dealing with such stuff.
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Would like to see a few minutes of this stuff in Cap2.
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This was very nicely done.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
googamooga & kidicarus, ain't y'all gotta droid or iPhone? Who needs a stinky desktop to watch trailers nowadays?
by glodene
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...but nice scene.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
Ain't It Old News...This has been online for a week.
by MasterControlProgram
You guys used to be cutting edge, now you just regurgitate what other sites have been posting for days or weeks. -- End of Line --
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I kid.
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I wouldn't have minded this in the film, but mainstream audiences might have.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
I understand why it was cut, but highly enjoyed watching.
by DementedCaver
Very well done, perhaps would mess up the flow of the whole picturel
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...that that's the waitress that Cap ends up saving at the end of the movie. The one who gets interviewed by the press. I agree that I can see why this didn't end up making the final cut, but now I want an extended edition more than ever. Just as long as they don't put that Maria Hill clip on the beginning. D.G.
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This scene is amazing but isnt in the same genre of the film
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Aug. 29, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST
Shiiiiid, I reserved Sept. 25, 2012 off to go buy that badboy on Blu-Ray. Was gon' buy the Phase 1 Briefcase, but that's been cancelled due to litigation.
by glodene
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Was just about to point that out about the waitress. I always wondered why they gave her that extra little bit of camera time than some of the others that were saved. Now we know lol
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I see why they cut it. This seems like a perfect beginning for Cap 2 Winter Soldier.
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I liked the Stan Lee cameo better here than what was in the release.
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It is unfortunate however that scenes like these have to be cut. Thank god filmmakers these days don't leave these scenes on the cutting room floor (or should I say in their trash bins on their Macs).
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Aug. 29, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
Looks A LOT beefier and cooler on the old WW2 Captain America suit
by Seth Brundle
the avengers cap suit made him look so skinny and unimpressive physically
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I will say this, if they do it, there's a chance it could kick major ass. I actually think they would be better suited to do a stand alone franchise. I'm not sure how Justice League would fit into the DC universe. They won't have Bale or the new Superman. Ryan Reynolds won't be Green Lantern. So if they pull off a great Justice League movie, I wonder how it wll effect Green Lantern, Flash and Wonder Woman. And would there be multiple Justice League movies?
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Wished it had stayed in.
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Its these moments that let us invest in the characters so we care more when the crap hits the fan...also let the movie breathe. Thing is, imho, if these scenes are front loaded in the movie vs. being spread out a bit then it can make the film feel "off" or overlong. I'd like to see the extra scene with Stanton and Ruffalo.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
Very nice. I hope we see more like this in the future.
by Raptor Jesus
Oh, and check out Chris Evans film 'Puncture'. Good movie and he really carries it.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
Scene Had More 'Heart' Than The Entire Film (even with the additional Acura placement).
by Sluggolicious
Loved Avengers, saw it twice, but this 3 minutes (even with the anvil-over-the-head product placement) was just beautiful. It showed a whole other side to Whedon's direction and I wish it had stayed in the film. Narrative shmarrative. This was shot, edited and scored absolutely perfectly.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
Was really enjoying that until Stan Lee COMPLETELY took me out of it...
by biscuithead
Bloody cameos...
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What a good movie. Can't wait to buy it and Dark Knight Rises so I can watch them over and over. Really liked this scene, but it would have bogged the theatrical cut down. Good choice to cut it out, but a nice extra scene to include.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
this was actually good. not like that Maria Hill crap that was cut. It give us a sense of feeling (displacement) from Caps view.
by gk1
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... I can see how it might have slowed the film down, but I wouldn't mind an extended cut that put it back in. I particularly liked the touch of Cap talking to the same waitress he rescued at the end of the film... Cap loses his mask when saving her so I'm wondering if maybe there was some extra stuff also cut from the end where the waitress recognises him and then pretends not to know who he is when she's talking to the press. The decision to cut the scene must have been made relatively early during post as they didn't put the Stark tower in.
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I hope there are more scenes like that for all the characters (especially Banner), but preferably nothing extra for Stark. I really do like RDJ and his portrayal of Stark but I thought he had a bit too much time in the movie compared to everyone else. It would be great to get an extended cut that gives all the other characters a bit more screen time.
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Aug. 29, 2012, noon CST
Ha hah! I saw these scenes 3 days ago. Damn, You Guys @ AICN are late for the Party.
by Stalkeye
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Aug. 29, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
I think the way to fix the costume is to give him standard issue combat pants.
by whatevillurks
The pants in TFA looked like WWII pants just painted blue. The Avenger pants looked like sweats.
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...I can see why it was cut (running time), but it really shows Cap as a man lost in time. And Stan's cameo was awesome.
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Lives in Winchester, has a VERY odd address for England, and a London phone number.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
So i guess the next deleted scene willl be hawkeye and Widow fighting Mo Capped stuntmen or the harry Dean Stanton segment with Banner.
by Stalkeye
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I think the reason I didn't mind it was that the scene itself took me back to TFA when he went to the Stark Exposition and saw the car that wouldn't need any tires in the future. You could almost see him noting that the car in the display window still had tires.
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Not buying it... it was just too blatant an ad for my taste! But you make a good point.
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Wish they kept it. I'm sorry but tone has nothing to do with it... Banner's entrance wasn't exactly light hearted. All of that really worked. In less than 3 minutes they let you into what Cap was feeling. Also it connected you with the waitress who in the final cut is randomly tossed in at the end. Wish they kept this since it makes the film stronger.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
ABC has placed a pilot order for Whedon's "S.H.I.E.L.D."
by SoftAndPorky
http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/29/abc-orders-joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d-pilot/?hpt=hp_bn9
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Aug 29th - so that should help end the speculation about whats on the disc - for the most part anyway. Still, a MONTH before the US? WTF?
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Is Bucky listed as "deceased" or "M.I.A."?
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Aug. 29, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST
Maybe Bucky doesn't have a file because SHIELD classified it...
by rev_skarekroe
...as they know he was the Soviet's Winter Soldier?
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A month before the US? It's almost as if they WANT it be torrented a million times before the release.
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The movie was already pretty lengthy but it would've been a really nice scene to have. And yes Stan "The Man" Lee's cameo was way better than what it turned out to be.
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too bad it was "deleted" but at least it exists. Dude! Cap! Fucking call Peggy! So what if she's all old.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
That's the little girl from Growing Pains in case you didn't know. Anyhow...
by K-Gin
I like the sequence. I hope they keep a similar tone for part of the Winter Soldier.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
So Cap called Peggy and bangs her. He complains that she's really dry...
by Domi'sInnerChild
Peggy leaves the room, comes back a few minutes later and they get back to it. It's great. Cap asks how she did it. Peggy responds, "I picked the scabs and let the puss run out".
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Aug. 29, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
That woulda been the best scene in the movie, in my opinion
by lightwriter
Other than Stan Lee, its a quiet bit that relies on the actor(s), the lighting and the music to make the audience feel something for what we're watching. Nice sense of depth and reflection. Sadly, they were right - it totally doesn't fit with the theatrical cut.
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it adds weight to the proceedings. too bad they couldn't have used a bit of this in the movie. i think it would have been a nice add.
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I wish they'd left it in.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST
this cap scene is terrific. the alternate opening was hoorrrrible!
by Barrymore
shoulda kept cap, glad they cut terrible opening
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I cam out feeling Cap didn't have enough weight in the film - this would have helped cement his feeling of isolation and give his becoming team leader more weight. It has a fuckton of product placement. Actually a little surprised they passed on this short bit.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
did anyone link to the Avengers Gag Reel that is available. i found the link at the end of the Cap'n Cutscene clip it has some laughs in it.
by bongo dummy
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...this scene absolutely should have appeared in the film. It provides (much needed) individual character motivation backstory and development (toward future plot events, such as Cap's need to connect with someone, even his colleagues, in the era in which he lives now). Fully recognize that a feature film has to come in under a certain time, that screen time isn't infinite, but if there's one complaint I continue to hear about Avengers (and it's a small one even at that), it's that the initial character weight and motivation was under-developed early in the film (what drives these people, individually?) This absolutely should have remained in the final cut. As for the alternate opening released earlier, definitely best not to have included that....just does not align. - ReelGuy
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I understand why they cut it, but I wish they hadn't. It was noticeable that Dum Dum Duggan's File wasn't there, along with Bucky's. I guess they will leave a meeting with Peggy for the winter soldier, cos his return will be out in the public domain now. maybe thats why they are looking at people other than Hayley Attwell for Sharon Carter..might make the old people make up a little too obvious? and the phone number is rubbish. dont try it, it has one digit too many
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Aug. 29, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
wow i liked that more than the whole captain america movie
by HASBEER_WILLCHEET
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Aug. 29, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
Cap's POV was lost in the theatrical version -- scenes like this should've been included
by Dursman2000
Wasn't Whedon saying for months the film was going to be told through Cap's pov for the most part? That was lost in the final cut. I think a longer cut needs to include stuff like this.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
Didn't the waitress also show up in the movie in another scene late in the movie? That scene SHOULD'VE been in there for that reason too
by Dursman2000
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Aug. 29, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST
In Winter Soldier, Cap's gonna get it on with Sharon Carter, Peggy's great niece, cuz Cap likes it freaky like that.
by Dogmatic
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He was there.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
I like the cinematic, dramatic quality this has. Could have used more of that feeling in the rest of the film.
by kevred
I really liked the film. But a little more meat on the bones wouldn't have hurt.
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Chris Evans' character had the heart that the other Avenger's didn't have.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST
i would have preffered a romance between Cap and the waitress.
by Stalkeye
How could you have those scenes end up as some wasted effort ? I'm all for canon but some things you gotta let slide. Have sharon as an ally instead of a Love interest. The Waitress arc was something needed during Steve's soul search. Make Mine Marvel by Making it so.
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Christopher Lloyd?
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put it after the hotel room and put it in before the gym scene. would have worked great. but they had to get the length down, so it's an understandable cut.
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Joss Whedon.
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That was awesome, I'd have loved to have seen that in the movie - very short but effective.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
Really like Chris Evans as Captain America
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
Wish he'd been given more to do in THE AVENGERS though.
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As much as I loved The Avengers, it needed more emotional weight to the characters than just Coulson's death. Granted, the solo movies provided plenty of development, the film still needed moments like this to really make us appreciate the rest of the film.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
yeah it's on the blu ray. Released in Australia already. Apart from the deleted scenes, bloopers and 10 minute 'Art of the film' doc. Blu is a bit Extra's light.
by Gareth Holton
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I wish that they would have kept it in. It would have been the piece to explain how Captain America knew of other "heroes."
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Aug. 29, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
Too bad, it helps connect the dots between Cap and Ironman and helps explain Cap being out of time to anyone that didn't see the CA movie
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Only 3 minutes and it got cut. I'm sure we'll eventually see a fan extended cut somewhere soon.
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The scene at the outdoor cafe also explains the look on the waitress' face as she's being evacuated from the bank after Cap rescued the hostages. I always thought there was something a little "off" about it, but after seeing this intro it now makes perfect sense. With his mask removed, she recognized him as the quiet customer from the restaurant where she works. Rogers may even be a regular there. If the events in the Captain America sequel take place after The Avengers, it would be cool show him at the cafe again, sharing a special connection with the waitress because of what happened. It would work even as a platonic friendship.
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The clip with Harry Dean Stanton, and this clip both provide nice character moments that actually ADD to the impact of the final showdown, rather than detract from it. I felt Hulk in particular really needed that little character beat (even a longer scene) to sell his arc of becoming a hero at the end of the movie. Put this stuff back in. I actually think the scenes would work BETTER in the flow of the story than seen as isolated clips. P.S., somebody wake me when they've finally fired 'The Kidd'. I won't click on half the articles on this site anymore because they're written by that boring dipshit.
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all around, writing, direction and acting I have to admit I was worried for awhile but they're treating the character and source material with respect and didn't feel the need for any jarjar buffoonery or some kind of buttmonkey sidekick or character
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Die.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST
Before anyone else mentions that the blu was released in Australia
by Gabe Athouse
No one cares about Australia. It could fall off the planet and no one would notice for like five days.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
RE: Before anyone else mentions that the blu was released in Australia
by Have_Penis_Will_Travel
Great Whites and Saltwater Croc's would miss it and that one species of itty bitty jellyfish that causes and agonizing death would miss Australians too
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Loved the Cap deleted scene, by the way. The "Kidd" has got to go. I know if we all keep up with the "Kidd" bashing, we can get rid of that bastard!!
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Its way better for the pace to start it at Cap punching the bag, BUT this is a huge loss in my opinion.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
I enjoyed the whole Fury ,Hill ,World Security Council thread in the extras
by Chain
and the Cap retrospective. I wish they had made it into the film.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
The Capatain America sequel is a movie?? Sweet! I thought it was going to be a radio sequel.
by exposedfilm
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Because,usually they are slightly better than the original.
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You know that group of guys with Stan should have recognized Captain America. Especially if he was as important the the WW2 effort as he's supposed to be. Anyone who was a little kid and pretended to be Cap fighting the Nazis would remember him. Stan was born in 1922, that means he would have been 19 in 1941 and would have clearly remembered the War, and Captain America. Would have mourned the loss of a great American hero and would have spent the entire lunch looking at him. Eventually one of them would have turned to him and suggested that he was a dead ringer for Steve Rogers a.k.a. Captain America maybe even asked if Steve was his kid or a relative his grandkid, even. Steve's identity as Captain America would have been public knowledge by then as well given that it was WW2 and it's been nearly seventy years since it was over. Of course since Steve is honest he would have told them his story and they would have been all over him like Coulson asking for an autograph and offering to buy him a drink or lunch. He would have been mobbed.
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The pacing is better with the cut, and all that product placement. I mean I know NYC has it bad, but really? Not that bad. In a Directors/Extended Cut I would also love to see this added back in. Just a little more time to really live with the characters more. Especially Cap who we really didn't see deal with his new circumstances in this film. I'm sure more of that will be in the second film, but even a little more character dev would have been amazing!!!
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That piece would be a perfect early scene in CA2. Great tone and depth. Shit, now I can't wait fore more Cap.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
Winter Soldier for Captain America 2. I bet Ed Brubaker is thrilled...
by Joe Jones
Because Disney, I mean, "Marvel" will pay him exactly what they paid Jim Starlin for creating Thanos (that prune-chinned fucker from Avengers post-credits to you non-dorks), who is going to be the bad guy for Avengers 2: $0.00
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Should've been left in as a counterpoint.
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why wont he die
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I'm pretending it's Gabe and he has a trumpet case under the table
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Another example of the grasp that Whedon had on each character in the film without over-exposing one wheel in the epic machine that became Avengers. Deleting this helped that, as excellent as it was, to make it a real ansemble picture. Oh, and "as for her number, you moron." Icing on an already delicious cake.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST
5iafu - That's Ashely Johnson, she's was on the Killing but you may remember as the youngest child Chrissy Seaver on "Growing Pains"
by MRJONZ72
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I bought the steelbook version yesterday in Australia. Really disappointed with the lack of 'making of' clips on there. I just watched all the Alien ones on the boxset and they are 3 hours each, that's what I wanted. Saving for future releases I guess. Item 47 kicked arse though.
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Aug. 29, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
That was pretty damn good, they should have left it in....
by leroyspoboys
Cap is the leader, and got far less screen time than Iron Man. This would have helped balance it out. It would have also helped explain why he has his grumpy pants on for the first half of the film, and eliminated the need for that incredibly lame 'flying monkeys' 'I got that reference' exchange on the Hellicarrier.
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I'd like to watch more of that. I liked the Avengers, but not sure I'll spend any money or time re-watching it unless there is more stuff like this in there.
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Cap was heart of this flick and this would have cemented his character arc completely. The films opening was too james bond, this seems more Marvel
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Aug. 30, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST
I love any scene with Cap in it. This should've stayed in.
by kidicarus
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Aug. 30, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST
Listing Tony Starks as 5'4 HAD to be them screwin with Robert Downey JR...He's short..not that short.
by DARKJEDI
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I find his lifts distracting, his elbows are almost in chest height of the people he's standing next to, when he's looking as tall as them.
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Aug. 30, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST
Wonderful little scene. Would have preferred it to remain in the film.
by theblackvegtable
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Thanks for that.
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...but the deleted scene is no longer available. The least they could do is tells us that BEFORE making us watch the stupid preview.
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The commercial works (of course), but no clip. Fix it, please.
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Is that it rather absurdly shows Steve Rogers' face. The point of his secret identity was to give the sense that "Captain America" could be any American soldier, not a single special guy the Nazis could poison or stab in his sleep. And to give Cap some down-time when he didn't have to be on guard. What the hell would be the point of putting his face out there like that? Geeze.
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I submitted this to Harry over a week ago, but you heard it here first. The Coulson death scene on the DVD/Blu has been altered to remove any sign of Loki's sceptre coming through Coulson's chest. Makes it pretty difficult to tell what the hell's going on. Bad choice.
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Where there should be video content at AICN? This does not happen all the time, but often enough. And it is not OS specific: my PC and my girlfriend's MacBook both have the same issue and both are running the latest version of Flash. Even our iPad has the issue as I type this. Very annoying.
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Aug. 30, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
I could be wrong but I thought it listed Tony Starks height as 5'8 or 5'9..It was a little hard to see
by MRJONZ72
and when I went back to freeze frame it the clip was gone.
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Unless you actually believe the Avengers DVD/Blu Ray is a hostile force gradually imposing itself upon territory to which it has no claim. Another gem from Ain't It Illiterate News.
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ron2112, I'm pretty sure you're watching a deleted scene from the gag reel, where Coulson dies several times, and Loki's scepter point hasn't been added in post-production yet. leroyspoboys, Cap actually got the most screen-time of any of the Avengers. He got 31 seconds more than Iron Man, according to this article (deleted spaces as usual on this arcane board): http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/how-much-screen-time-does-each-avenger-get.html
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I am not. I am watching a straight rip of the Blu-Ray release. I am not watching an isolated scene.
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