Something You Are Going To Want To Take A Look At!!! It's Pretty Damn Cool!! And It's All Of It You'll Ever See!!!
On September 22, 1998 I first ran a report about the footage you are going to see. It was shown at Siggraph that year and... for me... was one of the most exciting film projects that was ushering it's way into existence. At the time, Casey Silver was head of UNIVERSAL, and he had given the go-ahead for Industrial Lights & Magic to move forward with an ambitious 100% CGI film to hit theaters as a giant Halloween, 2000 event film for Universal. It was all based upon the 17 second clip you are about to see. I am, of course, talking about the now abandoned CGI FRANKENSTEIN film. Here's a brief bit about the film as it existed at that time:
This super secret project is an 80 million dollar movie will be overseen by 2 directors, ILM's visual effects supervisor Dave Carson and Brett Maddock, a veteran screenwriter who co-wrote the "Frankenstein" script with writing partner S.S Wilson. The story will retain a period setting of 19 century Europe, and is expected to have close to 1500 cgi shots. They plan on using the computer technology to re-create the original makeup done by Jack Pierce and the Boris Karloff profile, to have the monster look the way it should. Look for "The Wolfman" to co-star .
As the years went by Casey Silver was... no longer the Head of Universal, and a new team of executives came in. They began to be a bit afraid of the FRANKENSTEIN film as... 1. It was very expensive. 2. It was going to be Black & White. and 3. It was going to be scary and not so kid friendly. And... gosh, animated films are for kids... right? So the rewrites came, soon the project began to lose sight of what it once was. The original script... forgotten... the new regime of executives turning a great project into... well a waste of money... they finally pulled the plug. Never once going back to that original script and original directing team. This was going to be one of those GREAT films that we all hunger for, and it was ruined by the studio process. It became a dead thing.
So... this design for the WOLFMAN... forget about it. It's just a statue now. In FALL of 1998, Universal was selling it's investors on how UNIVERSAL was going to get back in the Horror Business with THE MUMMY (which was profitable) and FRANKENSTEIN... which is dead... Here's what the WOLFMAN looked like...
Pretty damn cool... It echoes the Henry Hull and Oliver Reed werewolves but... well is just more wolfish and violent looking. People don't want to be scared.... (BLAIR WITCH.... $140 million, THE MUMMY.... $155 million, THE SIXTH SENSE.... $293 million) I'm not going to try to campaign UNIVERSAL into making the right decision, because... this is ancient history for them. This is locked away in some vault somewhere... with the ark.... never to be seen by the eyes of man again. Well... folks, that's just fucking bullshit. This was once a great project till these kneejerk nimrods went and screwed the pooch on the S.O.B. When you look at the clip below... think about this...
This was a 17 second clip. SEVENTEEN SECONDS... This was TEST FOOTAGE by ILM over 2 years ago now. Imagine an entire film with this sort of art direction and style. With a story that was straightforward and scary. Imagine the trailers and the posters. The toys and the model kits. Imagine the t-shirts and the kid shoes and the candy. Imagine all the ancillary money UNIVERSAL lost by screwing with a project that Casey Silver knew was gold. I'm sorry... I have a problem letting go sometimes. I follow these projects for years and I just... I just want to see the good ones made. ILM was going to be pulling out the stops for this film. You've seen the DINOSAUR trailers... imagine what ILM would have done with FRANKENSTEIN and the WOLFMAN! My god. This Halloween. This movie could've been just 6 months away now. Sigh. If you want to read more about the FRANKENSTEIN film project and it's history of decay.... Click Here To Read About The Death of Frankenstein and the dream of what it could've been.
As for the clip.... We have it in Two Formats for you... Click on which one you want.
And when you go to bed tonight, and you want to give thanks... Think HERR DIRECTOR who sent this amazing footage!
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April 28, 2000, 5:54 a.m. CST
Why does drek like U-571 get made while this is left to die? Executive mindset sees cartoon + scary= uh oh, 'toons aren't supposed to be complex and involving. Kill it!
April 28, 2000, 6:12 a.m. CST
Uh, this doesn't look like the Wolfman. It bears quite a resemblance to a bleached version of Beast from X-Men, or possibly Wendigo. As for remaking Frankenstein and Wolfman, why? We have the originals, with all the brilliance of Boris Karloff and Lon Chaney, Jr. The footage may be grainy, but the performances are better than any subsequent version. Modern filmmakers may have all the money and SFX, but that doesn't necessarily make a good movie. Why not just go out and rent the originals?
April 28, 2000, 6:18 a.m. CST
I think an all CGI Frankenstein would have been good, but let's face it after Kenneth Branaughs version, the public might not be too accepting. Frank Darabount wants to kick his ass (see magazine called FADE IN). be cool kids - you stay in school http://sonnyboo.tripod.com
April 28, 2000, 6:56 a.m. CST
This is some breathtaking footage and the animators should be given the ample amount of budget to finance the completion of an entire film. This can revolutionize the way we look at horror and animation. I beseech the studio to follow through and let this production blossom.
April 28, 2000, 7:11 a.m. CST
by Oliver Platt
This is amazing! Screw universal for not having the balls to release this shit when they decided to do Flintstones 2! Get some f*cking brains!
April 28, 2000, 7:34 a.m. CST
by Pompey Pirate
This is so bad... I once kept contact with some of the people involved in this, and I tell ya, they were REALLY excited about this! I remember them saying how this would kick Titanic's ass right outta the water (and God knows I wanted it to) and now... this... It's s shame that Hollywood seems to have been created to undermine human spirit and passion for fantasy, and at the same time go for cheap thrills and visual popcorn like the Matrix and The Mummy. This shouldn't have been canned, and I'll argue with anyone box-office-wise and artistically-wise... This would have revolutionised the genre AND the software world ( I think they had a new fur filter to rival Monsters Inc.) Oh, and I'm not even going to go into the whole ILM thing. I think Moriarty said it all. LUDO FRIEND!!!!! Pompey Pirate
April 28, 2000, 7:36 a.m. CST
ok .. sure , the 17 sec footage is amazing and cool and no one i showed it too would ever suspect it to be CGI ... but, heck, it moves like Frankenstein .. and that is typical for CGI .. this slightly unnatural in movement ... something that they could not get out of Jar Jar or whatever other CGI character ... so, i fear the movie would suck when it comes to real life people ... they just have not found a way yet to get that rubber feel out of CGI ...
April 28, 2000, 7:38 a.m. CST
by pirate drool
It drives me completely insane the way animation is always typecast as 'kiddy' and 'unable to convey real grownup emotions'! If anything it is one of the most unlimited film mediums. OK, enough of a crazed rant from me. Something came to my attention the other day that made me hyper-excited. Finally, Columbia & Square are making a movie from their Final Fantasy games. (U know - the games with the most gaw-dropping, drool-worthy CG animated FMVs you've ever seen) Anyway, go download the trailer at www.finalfantasy.com (which didn't work 4 me) or www.gaming-intelligence/movies/ffmovies/ffmoviemedia3.html (which had a but-load of cool downloads) Their said to have a budget of 200million dollars - so I hope they use it well, and proove to the uneducated world that animation is diverse! *breathes out* - I always feel better after a good crap-talk
April 28, 2000, 7:49 a.m. CST
Harry, there is almost no greater,immediately recognized icon in the world than Frankenstein. Imbued with the genius of Karloff and the compassionate direction of James Whale and frankly Harry I think you would have found most of Talk Back screaming this project is a sacrilige. You certainly came out swinging at a 3 Stooges bio and the audacity to mimic our venerable clowns. Yes it was impressive, especially The Monster's eyes when light hit...oh?? Go back and look at those CGI eyes Harry. Yes there is pixal/digital genius to be found......but they are soulless and lack the tragic humanity that Karloff was able to project under the most rudimentary of makeup. Universal did the right thing, and said no to fast bucks and hackneyed monster meals and preserved a most unique and important miracle of cinema as it should be remembered and/or seen. Truly they gave praise by saying no.
April 28, 2000, 10 a.m. CST
When I was a kid of about eight, I saw "Frankenstein vs. The Wolfman" on Channel 11's "Chiller"... I thought it was pretty good, then came the scene where Talbot finds the Monster frozen in ice - that scene has stayed with me for years - that Monster, just suspended and... waiting. I love that stuff - it inspired me to become a writer, and to work in the horror and fantasy genre, where I am finally having some success... True, Karloff is gone, but he wasn't the Monster in this project, and more's the pity - imagine if he HAD been... Those of you who think CGI or animated characters are soulless are giving them the same short shrift the suits did - didn't you see Toy Story 1 & 2? Did you think the T-Rex in Jurassic Park was just a collection of drawings? Not me - they lived... And Woody and company made me cry... Imagine people with deep respect for our Universal Monsters making a movie, and being unfettered by the moral code of the 40's... No, no one could equal James Whale, but imagine what a Tim Burton could do, or a Sam Raimi - I think they could breathe life back into our dark heroes - scare the shit out of us, make us feel like we were those little kids who just KNEW that the Monster and the Wolfman were hiding in the closet, or under the bed... No one is saying Karloff wasn't king - he was... But here was a real chance to honor him, and the short-sighted, money-grubbing assholes who control the purse strings have once again abandoned true cinema for yet another lowbrow franchise cash cow... I guess I will go watch my videos again - Universal certainly isn't going to heed the pathetic howl of Lycanthrope! P.S. Harry - thanks for providing a venue for this stuff - without you, I might never have seen what might have been...
April 28, 2000, 10:55 a.m. CST
What is that shit? It looks like more cheeseball Hollywood. sorry but Karloff forever ruined Shelley's masterpiece with his idiot bastardization of the greatest "monster" ever. Frankenstein's creation was NOT a green, bolt-necked, illiterate, lumbering, grunting moron as that jackass Karloff depicted him. The monster in the story is MAN. Frankenstein's monster was ugly as all hell but he was swift, strong, hyper-emotional, keenly observant and far more intelligent than any human. The friggin' thing learned to read by looking through a hole in a wall at a book twenty feet away!!! He was complex and frighteningly more human than any human. Karloff and the retards of Hollywood turned that magically doomed creation into some silly monster and forver have sullied Shelley's creation by having the masses perceive the monster AS frankenstein and then to add insult making the monster a ridiculous creature. Amen that this shit was never released. and God bless any filmmaker with a brain who will finally make Frankenstein as it should be (BTW, Branagh fucked it up big time trying to make Deniro the "bad guy" in his screwy wannabe horror movie.).
April 28, 2000, 11:10 a.m. CST
I don't know what you are so worried about...you know as soon as they see the Final Fantasy movie they will put Frankenstein on the fast track. That is, or course, if the Head of Universal isn't a total wanker.
April 28, 2000, 11:14 a.m. CST
Aw, sweet sarcasm...
April 28, 2000, 11:52 a.m. CST
Nice CGI, but really, I'm with those who'd rather rent the original than see another Hollywood "remake" designed to show off the new technology and prize a few more bucks out of our pockets on a known commodity. What were last year's biggest horror films? Blair Witch and The Sixth Sense. Why did they succeed? Because they were new ideas. Scary movies work in part because we don't know what's coming or fully understand the rules of the world the unfortunate victims on screen live in. Once you get into sequels or remakes, you're rehashing stuff we already know. It's not as scary (unless you're Wes Craven doing Final Nightmare, which deserves a second look from genre fans). If you want an updated Frakenstein, go rent Re-Animator or Bride of Re-Animator, both of which did more for the Frankenstein concept than any remake ever will.
April 28, 2000, 11:54 a.m. CST
Um, the Frankie203 won't play due to some codec error, or some such nonesense. My software isn't that out of date... I think. Help?
April 28, 2000, 12:01 p.m. CST
WHY would anyone want to re-create a classic film?? Why couldn't they have taken advantage of the technique (CG) and done something more original, creative, and better looking than "reality." The problem with this film has ALWAYS been that it didn't have a compelling script. Casey Silver (Lew Wasserman's grandson--Lew Wasserman, the guy who ran MCA/Universal--read "The Last Mogul") is a spoiled brat who's playing in a sandbox he knows little about. I agree with the new heads of Universal: TIME OUT, young man...
April 28, 2000, 12:10 p.m. CST
by Lord Shell
I would much rather see a literal interpretation of the book than this stuff. On the other hand, the animation did look pretty damn sharp.
April 28, 2000, 1:43 p.m. CST
Man, I don't believe a huge "balla" like Universal would skip on making this flick. They'd be hailed as a freakin' superpower if they added this to their lineup...apparantly the execs are quite brain dead, as was once observed. Also, this is kinda irrelevant, but the new rocky and bullinkle trailer is on comingsoon.net It dosen't look to shabby, I gotta admit.
April 28, 2000, 3:48 p.m. CST
by THE TALL MAN
April 28, 2000, 3:51 p.m. CST
but check out the package on that wolfman! AAAAA-OOOOOO!
April 28, 2000, 5:03 p.m. CST
sorry guys this is just too cool and goes along with movies which we all love. Check this place out, but hurry offer ends april 30th http://www.ikena.com/downloads/?refCID=dhm
April 28, 2000, 5:09 p.m. CST
by Mockingbird Girl
Here's one more vote to add to the "why bother?" list. Yes, CGI is getting better and better, and movie effects are getting more and more impressive. But every truly great moment in the history of film has involved real people -- Gary Cooper on the rock with his dog and Bible, or Ingrid Bergman about to get on that airplane. More and more film producers today are saying: "Let's remake it -- after all, think of all the special effects we can do now that they couldn't do then!" True, in "the old days" they didn't have CGI and other technology; they had to rely on dialogue and acting, and THAT'S what makes a great movie.
April 28, 2000, 5:21 p.m. CST
by The Kid
Something so unbelievably cool, in test footage form, and yet we will never see it. Finally seeing the test footage, having an idea of what we would have had, makes the disappointment much, much worse. It's a bloody shame.
April 28, 2000, 5:30 p.m. CST
by Mr. Meaner
Quicktime is the best available solution for delivering high quality video on the Web today, bar none. It's picture and audio quality, as well as its data compression capability are unsurpassed. The capacity of Quicktime to host viewers is also unsurpassed. A single Mac OS X server can host something like 2000 simultaneous viewers! At 1.7 MILLION "downloads" the LOTR trailer boasts the highest "download" rate in a 24-hour period of any Net event ever--including the PHANTOM MENACE trailer. This kind of traffic demands an EXTREMELY robust server platform and delivery vehicle. Enter Quicktime. Apple's premier technology goes far beyond just delivering superior quality video: it also allows the integration of "sprites" so that a user can _interact_ with a movie, as evident in the various controls available in the LOTR trailer. These are actually built into the movie, as opposed to just watcing a video clip. There's a reason that movies like LOTR, X-MEN, PHANTOM MENACE, SLEEPY HOLLOW, THE PATRIOT, MI:2, and many others are appearing in Quicktime and Quicktime only. The trend is gaining steam with every major theatrical release. Get over it.
April 28, 2000, 5:59 p.m. CST
I hear a lot of whining on this talkback (so what else is new?) and a lot of it is astonishingly defeatist and cynical. First of all, if I hear one more person complain about how the movie "bastardized" the book I'm going to build my own creature and set it on a killing spree. The original book was written by a teenager, and shows it. Don't get me wrong, it's a great basic premise, but the actual story of the book is no more complex or insightful than the movie version, and is crippled by some pretty awful Victorian-era writing that makes Edgar Rice Burroughs look like a literary genius. The movie version is deserving of its' place in our culture, just as the book. As for how incredibly cool this movie could have been--are you folks really so unimaginative that you can't see what greatness this movie could have achieved? The test footage is pretty simple, but that's all it is--test footage. Imagine this as a full-blown visual extravaganza, with all KINDS of stuff that you couldn't do in live-action. Heck, I don't know how far they were going to take this, so I can't say either. But don't think of it as a "remake"--I'm sure it would have been something new. Just as "Toy Story" wasn't a simple remake of "Buck Rogers"--instead it took the space-hero type and put it in a whole new context--so there are a million possibilities for something like this in the medium of animation.
April 28, 2000, 6:37 p.m. CST
Harry, I know that I have been less than kind when referring to your site in talkbacks. I never enjoyed when spoilers or production updates on your site would make or break a film before it was even released. But, be that as it may, I think what you've done here shows what good your site is capable of doing. I didn't agree with you about the censoring of Eyes Wide Shut (even after seeing the uncensored footage), but I agree with you 100% on this issue. This movie should have been made. NOT TO MAKE A MORE ACCURATE VERSION OF SHELLEY'S BOOK, BUT TO SHOW HOW MODERN TECHNOLOGY CAN STILL HARKEN BACK TO THE FIRST GLORY DAYS OF CINEMA. With movies like Titanic and The Phantom Menace, visual effects have become more than explosions and flying spaceships. They've become costumes, cities, landscapes, and even characters! It saddens me to think that Toy Story will go down in the history books as the first 100% CG movie, when this Frankenstein project exceeds it in leaps and bounds in artistic quality in only a few seconds footage. This project would show how technically obsolute even Toy Story 2 is. Harry, is there not one other producer at another studio who would be willing to continue it? Could someone talk to Katzenberg, to see if Dreamworks could get it from Universal? Is all hope lost now? If all hope is lost, then by God, let this short footage be seen all around the world!
April 28, 2000, 6:50 p.m. CST
This is so incredibly sad...That footage was beautiful... This is just the same stupidity that gave the OK for those ridiculous XMen costumes, Viva Rock Vegas, and a host of other ridiculous Hollywood green lights. Fuck these execs -- let them know they are making the wrong decision!
April 28, 2000, 6:55 p.m. CST
You people that are "anti-animation" because its for kids make me sick. Literally ill. Not only is animation a painstakingly beautiful art form but it can be often more dramatic than many live performances. To say that because something is drawn means it's for kids is the most shallow, absurd reasoning for not watching a film EVER. I would glad throw up on you all.
April 28, 2000, 7:19 p.m. CST
that 17 seconds of footage looks like a pile of monkey feces!!! i think that resse's peanut butter cup frankenstein was WAY better than this. frankenstein can only have a human feel, if a human plays him!!! this creature looks too lively to be frankenstein, ol' franky's supposed to be slow, dimwitted, and the way the light hits him at the end, whats that?! he should squint, or fear the light a bit. -Homer J.
April 28, 2000, 7:49 p.m. CST
by Darth Siskel
This 7mb Quicktime movie needs to be recompressed. It's very choppy. (No it's not my machine).
April 28, 2000, 7:50 p.m. CST
by Darth Siskel
Really, what is the point of doing this all CG ? The shit looks real anyway!
April 28, 2000, 8:01 p.m. CST
...but I'm alright nooOOOWWWWW! Sorry about that. The wolfman sculpture ROCKS! Those eyes! Those teeth! There's nothing I like better than a GOOD, scary werewolf film, with a kicking transformation scene. Obviously American Werewolf in London is the definitive film in this category. Mind you, the monster in that masterpiece is not a wolf-MAN. The lycanthropes in AW in Paris were interesting, but somehow managed to be completely un-scary (which I also thought about the vampires in Blade, although Wes made up for it). This wolfman is in the tradition of "Curse of the Werewolf", which I think is the Ollie Reed film refered to by big-H. I'm guessing that the other film Harry referred to is the one with Peter Cushing, where a young boy is raised by wolves a turns into a grey haired wolfman, lives in the Paris sewers and rips out throats. It's cool! The design also reminds me of Marvel comics "Werewolf by Night" from the seventies. Harry, in this messed-up world of ours, we can't even get comicbook companies to make half, even quarter-descent horror books any more (Hellboy obviously excepted). Our world is indeed in the grip of men with shite inside their craniums. Incidentally, Harry's new animation looks like a tribute to "the Howling", where the TV news-reporter changes into Chewbacca's sibling, live on-air. Stay tuned to the Wolf-man, and have a popsicle...HoooowwwWWWWWL!
April 28, 2000, 9:06 p.m. CST
The CGI Frankie footage is so goddamn sweet, I wanna throw on some lederhosen, grab a torch and go pitchfork some Universal executive ass for shit-canning the project. This wouldn't have been a remake; it would've been the continuing saga of Universal's legendary stable of characters from the golden age of classic horror. But no. They tried to Disney-fy it and then they relegated the project to the dustbin. Universal has never understood their own goddamn legacy. Like their immortal monster in BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN they seem to believe their classic characters belong dead. The only way Universal can ever redeem themselves is to restart the project. They did it in the 30s. They did it in the 40s. I say attach the cosmic diffuser and bring it back to life.
April 28, 2000, 10:21 p.m. CST
...if i's just going to look like an exact re-creation of the Karloff/Whale classic? Shouldn't they be using their zillion-$ technology to EXPAND on reality instead of merely mimcing it?
April 29, 2000, 4:17 a.m. CST
Too bad about this one. I was looking forward to it since I first read about it here those many moons ago. I was very upset about the fact that I wanted to SEE what was described. In my minds eye I had a mental picture how this would look and the real thing was awesome! Great to finally see this footage. I had not forgotten about it and hope somebody somewhere will get this thing rolling again!!!!!
April 29, 2000, 7:42 a.m. CST
by Monkey Lord
Now why'd ya have to go show us how cool this was, Harry? Now so many of us have to lament over what was lost here... <sigh> And for those of you (and I must say, I am aghast....) that have the balls to say that CGI and animation in general is uninspiring and unbelievable, unworthy of cinematic praise... I am ashamed. Why are you even here? Why are you on a movie going website? Movies require an open imagination... an ability to empathize and understand. Without which, you will be lost. Animation WITHOUT directly involving the mugs of human beings is an art form, and can be just as involving and dramatic as any actor/actress can be, so long as you have a healthy imagination... If you can't buy into the rats of NIMH, or the sorrowful, pitiful orbs of Gollum, then by golly there is something dead inside you, and that is truly sad. This movie had so much potential...and thus so much has been lost. I for one mourn deeply for it...
April 29, 2000, 10:13 a.m. CST
by Movie freak
My God!! I've never been waiting for this project and I can't download that goddamn seventeen second clip, but that doesn't mean I ain't interested in this movie. The Wolfman looks great and Harry, you sure created some waves in my disturbing movieloving head. ILM, you should do this movie. Change your mind, you're gonna make lots and lots o' money!!!
April 29, 2000, 12:05 p.m. CST
As someone who dislikes CGI because it tends to be unbelievable, I'm impressed. B&W removes a lot of problems dealing with contrast and shadow. The movements are still a little off, but this is vastly more impressive than Jar Jar. Though that probably went without saying.
April 29, 2000, 12:13 p.m. CST
Mary Shelley's FRANKENSTEIN deserves a lot of credit, for being one of the first ever works of science fiction and for dealing with some complex issues. But it is also quite flawed. Justine stops just short of saying "'Tis a far, far better thing I do now then I have ever done...", and the whole subplot about the family the creature watches with the Arabic girl's father in prison just reeks of the worst kind of contemporary melodrama. Frankenstein wusses out of his promise to the creature (the ONLY chance he has of stopping the destruction caused so far) with the flimsiest and most paranoid rationales. Touches like these undermine the bleaker, post-Romantic feel of the work. I feel that filmmakers should be free to take whatever liberties they choose with the source material- by now, authors and audiences alike should know not to expect a totally faithful adaptation. Whale's FRANKENSTEIN has some problems (a bit too much time spent on preparing for Henry and Elizabeth's wedding, not enough on the creature), but it's a great film regardless of the liberties it takes. This CGI Frankenstein looks like it could have been quite good- yes, animation can't wholly replace live action and actors, but the story's open to another interpretatoin, particularly in the expressionist landscape created for the original.
April 29, 2000, 1:56 p.m. CST
by Sith Lord Jesus
Meanwhile the rest of us who are not quite so close-minded will continue to enjoy our NEON GENESIS EVANGELION, our SHOJO KAKUME UTENA, our GHOST IN THE SHELL and, of course, our AKIRA. Loser. Oh, and Pissboy1, you are right about FRANKENSTEIN. While I like the bit of animation I saw, it would be nice if someone would at least TRY to make a movie based on what Shelly actually wrote, instead of on the Korloff flicks.
April 29, 2000, 4:32 p.m. CST
by user id indeed!
Ahhhhh....finally saw the new R&B trailer!!!!Uber spiffy!!!!I haven't heard "Dreamer" in years.This movie looks like a winne!!!!.If I had five thumbs....I'd give it Five Thumbs Up!!!!My one beef is how Bullwinkle seems to eat his way through catch phrases like moss on an Alaskan lakeside.But,who cares??Not me!!!A small price to pay for goofiness incarnate,I sez to Mabel.This has been a No,I'm Talking ABOUT You Moment with User ID Indeed!I'll download the Frankenstein thing later.I'm not in the mood.Somebody gimmee some Fritos.
April 29, 2000, 6:35 p.m. CST
by Aaron Mojo
I've read Frankenstein by Mary Shelley -- and it's one of my favorite books, but the original Karloff movies are by far my favorite versions of the story. True, Shelley's is the original version... But nothing matches the subtle horror of that inhuman face Karloff had. And "Bride of Frankenstein" will always be one of THE greatest films ever made.. Someone else compared the book "Wonderful Wizard of Oz" to the movie "Wizard of Oz." The book bored the hell out of me where the movie is one of my other favorites, and even gets me teary-eyed (Now I know I have a heart, 'cause it's breaking...). That's like comparing... The Iron Giant with the book. The movies may be different but, in many cases, the movies are BETTER.
April 29, 2000, 9:40 p.m. CST
THE WIZARD OF OZ is about a girl with severe mental disorders? Uh -- I've read all the Oz books, several L. Frank Baum biographies, and more than enough criticism and the only place that presumes to say this is Geoff Ryman's fictional book WAS or possibly the mad scientist in the RETURN TO OZ movie. And by the way, that test footage was great, although I would have prefered the pre-burn look of the first film over the burned look of BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN.
April 29, 2000, 9:45 p.m. CST
At the bare least I wish Universal could have followed the Warner Brother's IRON GIANT model for making creative original animated films. That is to say, let the artists be creative and produce works of art that demonstrate the full power of the film medium to move viewers. Then for not reason I can figure out, simply don't market it in any effective way. The film would get made that way at any rate.
April 30, 2000, 12:36 a.m. CST
What the hell is this talk back shit for anyway? It should be called bitch back. No matter what the update is about there's always about 30 people that post a derogatory comment that involves the word "sucks" about 6 times. I swear you guys would bitch about anything. I mean damn,you've bitched about those X-Men costumes enough to probably make Brian Singer consider re-filming. I'm sure you can tell this movie would have "sucked" by the 17 second clip you saw of it. No arguements there. By the way...what did you guys think of Jar Jar Binks?
April 30, 2000, 1 a.m. CST
by user id indeed!
The original idea of TalkBack was to getr as many opinions and point-of-views on a story or project as possible,to get some feedback on movies,TV,the industry,etc.But THEN,people like the late SSZero came and started cussing out other TalkBackers...usually for no reason.Then people like Todd and...uhm...well,ME,came and decided to dedicate our TalkBackitude to being obsessive,funny,or twisted.Now....well,it's a fun hobby,and apparently some kind of crazy Internet phenomenon.BTW,did you get your user ID from the fantastic Breeders song?Man,I dig that song.Get a machete,GEEET A MACHETAAAAAY....This has been a Teen Porno Moment with User ID Indeed!
April 30, 2000, 2:32 a.m. CST
You have got issues motherfucker! You sound like any other whiney fuck preaching antiracism and then starts shit like this. What the fuck man??!! Wheres the love? You are against racism (I am assuming.) and you say this? Or are you a militant follower of that racist fuck Farrakhan? I have been coming here a while and NEVER once have I read a racist comment. Bashing whites is the same as bashing blacks or any other. Get a grip fucknut,grow up, get your ass an education and shut the fuck up!!
April 30, 2000, 7:04 a.m. CST
Kill Whitey's parents should have found a hanger somewhere to spare us the trouble of reading his shit. The fucking dumbest fucks post here.
April 30, 2000, 3:20 p.m. CST
Actually the user ID comes from a little-known X-Men character of the same name.
April 30, 2000, 8 p.m. CST
by Dirk Diggler
April 30, 2000, 9:42 p.m. CST
"I think we've found our Gigi."
April 30, 2000, 11:05 p.m. CST
Aside from the fact I would not be in prison with you, an ignorant uneducated fuck like yourself, to live out your homosexual fantasy, I would nevertheless kick the crap out of you! I would stomp your ass into oblivion queenie!! You are the reason people need to be screened for intelligence before being allowed to breed. You are the simple sick fuck on every street corner trying to get by with a sign saying"Will blow you for beer." Get a life and a job you worthless fuck!!
May 1, 2000, 3:11 a.m. CST
The BBC did the definitive Frankenstein years ago, the monster was a man, hyper-intelligent, charming but who's body starts to break down and that's when the trouble starts. That footage was wank ...
May 1, 2000, 11:34 a.m. CST
Karloff's Frankenstein is an insult to the original material. It is NOTHING like Shelley's book. sure you get the name doc Frankenstein, but from there it is a cheap, stupid, assinine bastardization of a an amazing story. how do you go from a super intelligent, swift, fiersome YELLOW creature to a big, dumb, lumbering green fucknut with bolts in his neck? Let's see, Shelley's creation spoke eloquently...Karloff (master thespian) didn't do more than grunt. Ohh, there's acting for ya. Those morons dumbed down the best monster ever to make a cheesey horror flick that the masses now consider to be the definitive work on Shelley's creation. That's fucking disgusting! It's an insult to her that people even mutter Frankenstein when they see a big, stupid green monster.
May 3, 2000, 10:32 a.m. CST
Oh Boy! I can't believe that this project isn't going forward- or maybe you folks at ILM ARE doing something with it and keeping a tight lid on it! In any case, screw it, just make the damn film. People'd flip out for sure, it can't lose, and who says it has to have the blessing of some suits in Hollywood?? A film with this sort of direction, this level of craftsmanship (whoever sculpted the two maquettes, I SALUTE YOU!!), would absolutely knock people out and would probably make enough moula even as an independent release to pacify the suited sharks in Hollywood when they launch a legal crusade against your evolutionary vision. So, writers and directors, hang on to that original script, try like hell to get the compensation you think you deserve to create what looks like a hell of a movie, and do it right!
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