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Joe Carnahan shows off his sizzle reel that had him, albeit temporarily, the reins to DAREDEVIL
Hey folks, Harry here with this rather badass example of the kind of DAREDEVIL film that Joe Carnahan was making. Seems to be based upon Frank Miller's MAN WITH NO FEAR and be set in 1973. Ideal. For me, instantly this has the soul of a city that I never sensed in, well pretty much any of the Marvel or DC films. We know this New York and the notion of DAREDEVIL in it... in a world where the Kingpin's look makes sense. In the wake of Bruce Lee, a New York with Walter Hill-esque gangs. Sidewalks littered with a trash that you pray for a rain to just wash it all away. This is Scorsese's New York. This is a New York before it was cleaned up and the crime moved into the homes and off the streets. A time and a place that DAREDEVIL would have been amazing in. This SIZZLE reel is exactly that. Carnahan never had a chance to shoot anything, but he did put together a tone piece, a sizzle reel that expresses the spirit of what he wanted to make. Apparently the whole MARVEL/FOX deal fell through today. Fox is losing DAREDEVIL and it looks like holding on to Galactus & Silver Surfer. Which is good news for THE FANTASTIC FOUR film they're prepping and is unfortunate news for the expanding cosmic universe that Marvel is headed into. There's still a great many wonderful characters for them to play with.
Here's Carnahan's sizzle...
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
Fox lost Daredevil? Well, then THIS is the character Marvel should make for television.
by antonphd
I just finished watching the finale of The Closer. Do a Daredevil television show with that kind of a tone. I would watch it.
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So we are now denied a bland, ridiculous attempt to recreate 1970s NYC? Ok, I'm cool with that. Let the rights revert, good riddance Fox.
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damn! I'm sure fox will get a terrible director and do the same thing they did the first time cause thats what studios like to do. Hire weak people who take orders.
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It's a pretty good indication of the film he wants to make, but I can see why they passed. Not very marketable
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why can't Marvel just make this on their own?
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what passes for news these days.
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I don't think I made it clear but i personally would love to watch a daredevil movie with this tone
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But eh.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
For those not playing properly, MARVEL WILL make Daredevil now
by D.Vader
Or at least use him in their own ways without Fox interference.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
Setting it in the 70's would have brought my interest level to ZERO
by ShiftyEyedDog
along with many many other people.
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DD was the reason I got into comics back in the 80s, Miller's run and Claremont on X-Men was pretty much it for me. Been watching this ping-pong around under Fox's slimy death grip since, well, the first one aborted itself into the multiplexes. Honestly I'm surprised comic book adaptations have done as well as they have considering how shitty and lazy they almost got, starting with Daredevil (O.K., the first Marvel adaptation was Howard the Duck so the watermark wasn't that high to begin with, but you get my drift). And screw the "Kingpin finds out DD's identity and ruins him" storyline, this shit needs ninjas and lots of 'em. Although by the time this ever gets in front of a camera I suppose The Wolverine will have covered all that and it'll be called a rip-off. Sigh. At least I still have the comics, and they are still excellent.
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So editing together 100% stolen footage gets you a job as a director?
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST
If that means we get to see Daredevil hook up with the Black Widow on the big screen, then so be it. And can we do Bullseye properly please?
by MrEkoLetMeLive
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Matt Murdoch represents Baseball furies in human growth hormone case
by magnetoelectric
We've got the Moonrunners right by the Van Cortlandt Rangers ,.. Can you count suckas?!?
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST
So editing a bunch of 2 second cuts from other movies would get me hired as a director?
by Mikeyeieio
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
Sorry brobdingnag didn't read posts didn't mean to steal your thunder
by Mikeyeieio
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Wasn't expecting that.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
And how are you sure this is from Carnahan? The Youtube page says it was cut by Skip somebody
by Mikeyeieio
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if they actually go through with it! Totally fits - feels right. Captain America was the big Indiana Jones like epic, Thor was Marvel's fantasy film, Ironman (one) was a more realistic grounded approach, Avengers pulled them all together, Guardians will be Marvel's Star Wars... could be fun to see one of their characters in a different environment! However, the cross-over wouldn't be possible then. Hmmm.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST
thurston--same here; first comic I ever bought was a Miller DD in the 80s
by Simpsonian
someone jumping over some headstones as I recall on the cover..
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST
Tom Jane Punisher/Carnahan Daredevil would make a perfect HBO mini series
by AnarchyWorldsEnd
Doesn't need to be in the 70's... Besides you have the perfect angle. Picture Tom jane as Castle reading a newspaper about the Avengers repelling the invasion then looking up to see a kidnapping in progress. His inner monologue expresses how the "super" heroes are to busy to deal with the trash that plagues the city. A few episodes in you bring in Matt Murdock as Frank's ideological opposite. There's some graet drama to be mined there.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
Ooooooookaaaaaaaaay...... I don't know what the fuck I just watched.
by Blarg Barfington
Superfly Daredevil? Can I dig it? Nope. I don't really have a problem with it being set in the 70's. I grew up in the 70's. I love the 70's. But it kinda precludes him joining up with the rest of the Marvel Universe. Not that I really give a shit because I'm not a Daredevil fan anyway. And lest we forget perople, Carnahan raped our eyeballs with the shittastic Sky Captain. Do we really want him assfucking us with DD's baton?
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST
So he wanted to make a movie using clips from Taxi Driver, Daredevil, and Enter The Dragon...???
by rhizomeman
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Aug. 14, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
Marvel regained film rights to Daredevil? Does Bendis do screenplays?
by J
This is good news. I would like to see all of Marvel's characters under the helm of Marvel Studios. They've shown competancy with their own characters so far. Someone needs to look at Bendis' run on Daredevil and film that shit.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 10 p.m. CST
That is DAREDEVIL. Pay-cable series or film like this from Marvel ASAP, please...
by ThulsaBoom
...the Marvel Cinematic Universe needs to expand INWARD as well as outward. This property mixed with Iron Fist and Power Man would be perfect for it. Then you could cast older, more experienced actors for the modern day stuff and show them thwarting criminals who are taking advantage of the streets being clear when the Avengers are battling intergalactic powerhouses. I would love to see what old Daredevil, Power Man, and Iron Fist were up to when the Avengers were dealing with the Chitauri, Bourne Ultimatum style. Interwoven with events in the MCU we are already familiar with.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST
Blarg_Barfington, Carnahan didn't do Sky Captain. Please fall on your sword immediately
by john
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Fox no longer has Daredevil!!! Cue the Star Wars celebration music
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Aug. 14, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST
Carnahan has the worst fucking luck...Feel bad for the guy.
by blackmantis
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Hey Rothman, give up the rights to Fantastic Four as well. Nobody wants to see another Space Cloud Galactus.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST
Marvel will never do that take. They don't want to be that creative.
by chien_sale
It's all commercial fun-loving one liners with them. They made one trully creative flick where they let the director go wild and it was Ang Lee's The Hulk and they'll never do that again. So Fox losing DD is sadder than we might think as Marvel will never go all gritty 70s.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
blarg_barfington, seems you are not a film fan either
by Talkbacker with no name
"Carnahan raped our eyeballs with the shittastic Sky Captain" What!? since when? You just raped OUR eyeballs with that comment.
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Half the users on youtube need to be making movies... Like that guy who cut together Ghost Rider footage and called it Spirit of Vengeance.
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Aug. 14, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
You know Chien, you are right, Marvel really never tries to be creative or take risks.
by Randy
Every Marvel film feels so heavily produced, like every step is controlled to fall into line with the rest of their films. Now listen, they have had huge success and Avengers paid off, but none of their films have any artistic vision. Sure, Favreau did something with Iron Man 1, but that was as close as it's gotten, the Avengers was great, but you never felt anyone was in danger at the end. I dig what they are doing, but I feel like I'm being cheated by how auto-pilot this shit is becoming, I'd rather filmmaker take big chances in style and plots with the new Marvel films. They already have the success now, so it's time to go someplace new and surprise everyone.
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...Fox might not have passed. I heard they liked the pitch but were scared it was "too violent" (i.e. R-rated).
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If Marvel gets him back, I'd prefer they move him to TV with long running story lines and real villains. Bullseye(not Farrell), Elektra(not Garner), Kingpin, Gladiator, Cobra & Hyde, Typhoid Mary, Bullet, Nuke and more. Cameos from Evans and Helmsworth in a future season finale FTW. Hopefully not too much "law and order" formula stuff.
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is the Empire Strikes Back, with my name photo shopped in over the opening scroll.
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I apologize to the movie Gods. This "sizzle reel" still looks like shit though.
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I love the idea of a blind man who still sees with his other senses. The name and look of the character are awesome too. I don't know if he fits with the high powered cosmic Avengers, would like to see him in the Spidey world as Peter's lawyer like in the comics. Marvel needs the fantastic four not Daredevil. I would like to see a grittier Marvel Knights horror world with Blade, Ghost Rider, and Daredevil, why not can't be as bad an idea as any other. I guess comic book characters are for kids and I can't get an R rated Taxi driver like daredevil. I know they are going to lighten up Batman next. I guess it cost too much money to make a movie that kids can't go see
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of course it is "stolen footage" from other movies and comic panels. It is not like Ant man that is actually getting mad. How do you show execs what your movie might be like without shooting an actual movie yourself with no money. Maybe he could make a fan film so he would have to borrow other footage. He couldn't actually hire actors and a sound stage if the studio wasn't agreed to make his damn movie to begin with
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Now with masks.
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But if I'm paying for it I get someone to polish Carnahan's script and there's no way I give him final cut. Even his best (Narc) had problems with narrative flow and The Grey was just too preposterous to get into. I doubt it's the blood as much as the period setting that made Fox pass. After the okay grosses for X-Men First Class (yes it made money but not X-men 2 or Avengers money) there's no way they start another franchise in a period setting. Yeah, film buffs love 70's movies but the 15 year old kid that sees a comic book movie three weekends in a row could give a shit about Midnight Cowboy. A few years ago I loaned a 19 year old kid I work with Taxi Driver on dvd and he wouldn't shut up about how weird everybody looked. He had a point, the '70s are a bizarre time anyway you look at it. Some of you guys are right. HBO and give it a Donnie Brasco flavor. But for the love of god stay away from the fucking tights. Affleck's suit worked pretty good, go off that.
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Give the movie to Tarantino. Period. Could it work? Tarantino working with Marvel/Disney? If it succeeded, give Tarantino a shot at some of the other Marvel Knights characters. They would be the stuff of legend.
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But if I saw that trailer my ass would be in the cinema fa'sure. Super fly TNT!
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For one thing, it would be the best way to separate this film from the last one. For another, this keeps Daredevil out of the main Avengers continuity which means they wouldn't have to account for him i. e., "If they're in New York, where's Daredevil?" and so forth. Also, it's not unprecedented given the CA film. They could set an entire franchise in the 70's if they wanted. Does it really affect the entire Avengersverse if Daredevil is set in the 70's?
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like Harry are a blight on America.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST
Harry, you must be on some serious meds to think that these headlines you write actually make sense.
by Fries Against
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That was Universal. Marvel Studio's Hulk film was the Incredible Hulk.
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He is fat
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go fuck your mother.
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Job done.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST
one more, get Ghost Rider back, and ditch the poop churner Cage.
by Balkin Flabgurter
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classic.
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Why does FOX losing the Daredevil rights mean Joe Carnahan has lost the gig? Is he a FOX empoyee not allowed to work for anyone else or anything?
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Add some humor and lighten the tone like the other marvel movies.
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But please, bring back Tom Jane!
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Aug. 15, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST
Iron Fist, Luke Cage and so on. Gives Marvel a different playground.
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
They could be referenced in the Avengers timeline as inspiration from their youth (Hawkeye perhaps)
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He would be better in a TV series like many here are saying. Get him established that way and then he can guest star in some of the other Marvel movies. Damn Disney should have bought Marvel 15 years ago for 1/100th of what they paid for it and all the characters would be together...damn that would have rocked but whatever. It's going to be half-ass Marvel universe pretty much forever.
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We've had Cusack, Nolte, Clooney...all kinds of names attached to this thing. Even Guy Pierce was going to reprise his Ed Exley role until WB fucked Carnahan over by insisting they had the rights to the character via LA Confidential. Now there's a hole in Carnahan's schedule, perhaps it's time to give it one last push?
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Aug. 15, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST
Can someone tell me if this means Fox is relinquishing DD back to Marvel now???
by space doughnut
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Aug. 15, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST
WOW... i digged it! Awesome if they could team DD up with Punisher set in the dirty 70s!
by space doughnut
i'd buy that for a dollar!
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I love that movie and I am 29, it makes me sad the 19 year old didn't like it. I love the godfather movies too from the 70s, for shame if old movies get lost on the newer generations. Also I said it before but Daredevil is an awesome character. I like the whole devil look, and his powers are cool and interesting. He is blind, how many other superheroes are there with a handicap (professor X of course) , I think it is fascinating that a guy perceives the world differently than anyone else, I like how he can't see but can see via sound ect, and has to sleep in the depravation chamber because of his super senses. Daredevil is cool as hell and deserves a really great movie! damnit!
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actually what went through my head was the buffy episode explaining how spike killed principal woods mother and took her leather jacket. spike vs the slayer (Nikki Wood). yeah. this oughta be fucking great.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST
Daredevil, set in the 70s, is how I remember the comic ...
by unclemonty666
... would've worked a treat. Same with Ghost Rider.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST
DD was at its best in the 80's. Heroes for Hire
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
Power Man/Iron Fist Blaxploitation/Kung-Fu is more appropriate to a 70's tone.
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Would all be great set in this grittier,dirtier type of Marvel sub-Universe. I think it could make a cool tv series if set up on HBO. Give it all a grindhouse type of feel, maybe bring in some other minor types of characters that would fit like Shang Chi ( I think I got that name right). Maybe even Doc Strange and Blade ( but Marvel doesn't have that character do they?Too bad) or Black Panther would be fun.
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But I see stuff like this on YouTube all the time. Big deal. More bummed to hear Marvel won't be getting Galactus/Silver Surfer rights then I am about missing out on another reboot super hero origin story. Course with rights reverting back to Marvel, I guess that means we don't get Galactus in Avengers, AND well get another reboot super hero origin story. Yay.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST
Have to agree with bass ackwards - see this crap on youtube everyday, nothing special.
by cameron
The 70's setting is a good idea, least the movie will have a cool soundtrack..
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I hated the darevil movie... Because i just didnt see ben afflick as DD... He's a decent actor no doubt. But he's not the right look for DD... Lean but muscular he isnt... high level agility and superhuman gymnastic abilities. nope. none of that. And the schoolyard fight with elektra? Oh god are you fucking serious. cute but corny as hell does not fit within the marvel universe. it looked so staged and fake. i wanted to turn off the fucking dvd! The only thing redeeming about it was Kingpin. Michael Clarke Duncan was genius... And collin farrell as bullseye was hilarious... I'm glad Marvel got the rights back to daredevil... I still say they should let carnahan do the movie... But set it in modern times with an escalting crime in new york. im talking post aftermath avengers, but DD going against the crime familes encroaching on hells kitchen. Hire an actor who can pull off the stunts DD can do. and looks like a bad ass... who the audience can feel sympathetic towards. Making it a movie for teens and adults and not kids. Daredevil has plently of dark gritty moments. it's not supposed to be lighthearted family fun. I shoot you through both hands, where's the blood? (looking at you bullseye! lol) Also DD has a high level fighting ability i didnt buy the original movie, that he taught himself how to fight by touching things. that makes no fucking sense. just because i got superhuman senses does not make the audience believe i can jump 15 feet up. if your going the radioactive toxic waste route, fine but have it strengthen his muscles to superhuman levels too... go for broke. have him train with someone who actually knows kung fu. plot holes fixed fuckers... Now if marvel can take back the rights of blade and xmen we'll have a party!!!
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Aug. 15, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST
so if i take clips from great films and cult classics, use a 70s soundtrack and throw in a few panels of a comic, i can get a gig as a director?
by walt
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Aug. 15, 2012, 6:06 a.m. CST
Waltkovacs: no mate, sorry- you still need a brain to be a director.
by Playkins
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Aug. 15, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST
Fox loses Daredevil and that's uh that's a bad thing because...? LOL GREAT NEWS
by Wcwlkr
I mean seriously I'm overjoyed they lost the rights to DD. Now if only they could lose there rights to the FF. But after one more bomb which we know is in them, in a couple of years Marvel will get it back. Look I know Marvel wanted to expand their cosmic universe, but it's still possible. Getting Daredevil back isn't really a bad thing, and if Carnahan really wants to try and make this, than try and show your passion for it to Marvel. I trust their decision making so if they give you the go ahead I'd look forward to checking it out.
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For the simple fact that they are now owned by Disney, and a violent hard R-rated film like this will not happen in the mouse's house. Shame.
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It means Marvel/Disney gets back the film rights to Daredevil, and gets to fold it in with their on going movie-verse. How is this a bad thing? I wish the Fantastic Four would revert to Marvel as well. Fox has no idea what to do with that property.
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Mark my words, its coming to ABC.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST
Playkins, you really don't need a brain in some cases...see Michael Bay
by nephilim138
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this movie would have been shit. the movie going public does not want to see a dark gritty daredevil. Set him in the current Marvel Universe and you've got gold.
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Setting the story in the grimy past of 1973 does not magically lend it gravitas or make it cool. What would this Daredevil story be about? Why would modern audiences care about it? The New York City of 1973 no longer exists. Hell's Kitchen is a posh urban enclave now. I'm not saying period pieces can't work in the super hero genre, but I can totally understand Fox being underwhelmed by this proposal. I for one would much rather see an original take on Daredevil, one that looks at the problems and corruption of this century, not the last one.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST
Glad Carnahan didn't do Daredevil. Fuck the 70's. Put him with the rest of the Marvel Universe.
by bat725
Daredevil vs. Punisher on the big screen? Marvel Knights? Hell yeah!
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Do not love Carnahan, and the "sizzle reel" (hate that term) made my eyes roll. Marvel has him back, good. DD has had what? Eight amazing arcs? They'll know what to do with him.
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I can see the superscience of the Marvel U slowly bleeding into the life street level organized crime. Nothing big, but give one of the thugs coming after DD an alien laser pistol from the Avengers. Have the Kingpin watch his stocks on a stark Holo-terminal. Hell, you can give him superpowered henchmen without much explanation now. If they throw a decadent party, show a drunk asgardian celebrity in the background. DD can still be gritty in a more fantastical (and to be honest, better) universe than our own.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST
RE: "So cutting other movies together can get me a job" etc. etc. blah blah blah
by Mikey Wood
The answer is YES. Yes it can. I don't think you members of the knee-jerk haters club understand what a 'sizzle reel' is. It's a 'proof of concept'. A (according to the wikipedia) "realization of a certain method or idea(s) to demonstrate its feasibility". It's an example. It's a "here's an example of what I was imagining". And it's also commonplace. Thing IS, Carnahan has directed films in the past. Good ones. So they've seen what he can do in that respect. The 'sizzle reel' was being used to convey the proposed tone which, if you know anything at all about DAREDEVIL, would have been perfect AND apt, considering there's no such thing as "Hell's kitchen" anymore. You put the actor in a variation of Paul Pope's DAREDEVIL costume design (Google it) and it wouild have been spot-on. Damned shame.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
FORGET FRANKLIN & BASH. I WANT TO SEE A MURDOCH & SMASH (SHE-HULK) LAWYER SHOW
by Darth Busey
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Daredevil's interesting?! He can't see, but he kinda can. End of story.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
The DD suit in the movie was super-cool, I thought. Just right. That's all I got.
by chifforobe
And please don't put the ugly-but-is-supposed-to-be-beautiful girl in any more movies. Can't think of her name.
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so boring... Super-steroids or a hammer is far more interesting.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST
Aww, it's a fucking mash-up piece. But I like the 1974 setting.
by Stalkeye
let's see matt take down Fisk's Heroin Trade and maybe a guest appearance by Moon Knight or Shang-Chi. Yeah, it's asking for too much, but fuck it. MAKE IT SO!
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Aug. 15, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST
Reggie Jackson did not play for the yankees until 1977
by TallanDagwood
Other than that very nice sizzle!
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Aug. 15, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
SPEAKING of Joss Whedon's inevitable DAREDEVIL television series...
by Mikey Wood
...I suggest Sean Maher for Matt Murdock/Daredevil. I'm not the biggest Whedonworld fan, but he looks the part and those who ARE Whedon sycophants will flock to it (as if they wouldn't already).
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Aug. 15, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
Until the world has had enough of other studios ruining Marvel characters and stop seeing non-Marvel owned Marvel characters on the big screen...
by UsultheMahdi
then those other studios will continue to cash in big time and continue to make substandard films.
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Was just a kid then, living in a NY suburb. It was such an interesting time. Punk and disco. Reggie and Steinbrenner. Pre-Disneyfied Times Square. Cool movies with DeNiro and Pacino. This would have been great. What would you rather see, everybody on cell phones while Channing Tatum does CGI "stunts" in 3D?
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Aug. 15, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST
Daredevil should be set in the 70s! FF should be in the 60s.
by Autodidact
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I just dislike Carnahan, and his cheeseball reel. Superfly? C'mon... But for those unfamiliar with NY geography. Hell's Kitchen is a couple of blocks away from Time Square. Imagine the sleaze that could be dripping from the frame. Have shit go down during the blackout, and Matt has to try and keep the peace (he'll be the only one who can see) Have Son of Sam running around. Have him bust in, and beat down some fool in Plato's Retreat. Throw him into the buffet. Have his best bro from grade school howling for a fix, and the girl he took to junior prom starring in Kingpin produced pornos. etc etc etc.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
I dunno, this looks a little TOO violent for a Daredevil movie
by IAmLegolas
but perfect for The Punisher
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Aug. 15, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
The whole MARVEL KNIGHTS thing should be 70s era. DD, Punisher, Ghost Rider, Luke Cage, etc.
by Autodidact
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firmly planted in the 70's-early 80's. I dont care if its a tv show or major motion picture, that shit needs to be made, asap! And get Joe Manganiello to cut his hair, he's be a great younger Frank Castle. As for DD, Garrett Hedlund would do nicely
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of Daredevil to FOX in exchange for Galactus and Silver Surfer to Marvel, I thought: 1. That's way too good to be true (for Marvel) and 2. It makes no sense at all for FOX to give up those characters right before rebooting the Fantastic Four It almost seems like Marvel was trying to pull a fast one on FOX idiots and at the last second FOX realized it was a bad deal for them. Would have been a real coup for Marvel to get those awesome characters back AND fuck the FF reboot at the same time. Oh well.
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that this "sizzle reel" borrows heavily from the unfairly-maligned Ben Affleck DD film. That film has gotten such an undeserved bad rap from all the "Jersey Girl" Kevin Smith crap that was going on at the time the movie came out. Affleck was fine in it.
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Have you tried to watch that "film" recently? I just did the other night, had to stop. It's really THAT bad.
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The opening shot promised a movie no one was prepared to deliver. Dark, stormy night. Big-ass stone church. Big-ass stone cross perched atop, that a beat to shit DD crawls out from behind. ICONIC AS FUCK. Then the movie dives into half-assed matrix horseshit. Give us the movie your opening shot promised.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
Okay, Marvel, it's simple - Thomas Jane Punisher and Guy Pearce DD. Grittier, more TDK-like, but still compatible with Avengers. Then after you've made the also-gritty Power Man/Iron Fist film, bring them together.
by kevred
It doesn't need to - and probably shouldn't - be ultra-gritty and hardcore. But a "street level" Marvel side series would be nice. They did that, successfully I think, in the comics in the late 60s through the 70s. Cap spent time on the street with Falcon, Black Panther spent some time there to connect & explore his personal identity, Spidey had his drug & street-crime episodes... they owe it to themselves to at least set the stage for that, keep the door open. The extra little bit of depth and edge they create there would just amp up the "event" feeling when everyone comes together for crossover films. Shiny celebrity Tony Stark, god Thor, all the way down to street-level DD and Punisher and Power Man... what a palette to work with.
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But stupid he ain't. Fox is going to figure out a way to keep DD. Count on it. Never discount corporate greed.
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Does Marvel have the rights for Nova?
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Joe was hammering the gak wasn't he? He edited thattogether in his underpants after a ton of blow and a three hour wank.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST
Looks like Daredevil meets the Warriors...throw in Luke Cage with power afro and giant chain belt...Pure awesome
by Drew
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I assume they do own the rights to nova, and new warriors... I give you almost anything we will see nova in some incarnation during the guardians of the galaxy movie. bet your bottom dollar... it'll happen Nova now is a too important character to not have his own critical movie...
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Journeyman director at best - totally, totally out of his league doing a Daredevil movie.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST
I can only hope that Whedon uses his juice at Marvel to get Drew Goddard the Daredevil job
by ZomBea_Arthur
I would have loved to see this version of Daredevil on the big screen. We will not get anything like this from Marvel Studios. That being said, now that Marvel has the rights back, the only man who can deliver a truly inspired version of the film is Drew Goddard. Not only is he a life long fan of the character, he can also write the hell out of scripts and has proven with Cabin in the Woods that he can direct as well (having Joss as your AD doesn't hurt.) Joss is under contract with Marvel through 2015 and has quite a bit of pull with Marvel execs. Let's hope he uses it to hook Goddard up with his lifelong dream property.
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couple of shots of Tony Soprano in there, by the look of it - get him as the Kingpin and give all the other parts to ex Sopranos actors. Weren't the mafia called the "maggia" in marvel comics ? Anyway - as a film, this is a waste of time and money. People unfamiliar with the character are only ever going to see it as a crap Batman, and the first attempt at a Daredevil film was so unrelentingly bad it'd take a fucking miracle to get the general public interested in another one. Good to see nobody's piped up yet with "The Daredevil Directors Cut is really good though" - it isn't. It's fucking shit from start to finish.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
Looks like fun but will never happen this way if it reverts to Disney
by Patch
This is exactly the kind of stuff us geeks should be stoked over. It's also exactly the kind of thing that will never happen at synergy/universe building disney-owned Marvel. This is exactly what sucks about Disney owning Marvel. Fox was the only chance for a Daredevil movie like this. 70s NY + ninjas + kingpin + bullseye + frank miller esque daredevil would have been great!
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PWZ was crap thanks to the hammy villains and over-the-top direction, but Stevenson was the huge, head-smashing badass I always wanted to see. I like Thomas Jane a lot, but I never bought him in the role, especially when he was fighting the Russian. He got his ass handed to him entirely too much, and didn't really project "violent psychopathic killing machine". He seemed like a regular guy whose family gets killed and goes out for revenge. Stevenson's had his soppy moments, but for the most part, was a Great White shark with machine guns, snapping necks and blowing up chumps. I think throwing Stevenson's Frank in as a counterpoint to a new Daredevil would be a fucking dream come true.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
Re: it'd take a fucking miracle to get the general public interested
by mr.underwater
Y'know, because the public was CLAMORING for a Thor and Captain America movie. Because "Iron Man is a b-grade hero that nobody gives a shit about" Three miracles right there, buddy. When are people going to learn?
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Aug. 15, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
Marvel has Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Blade back, Punisher back, and now
by parissun
Daredevil is back. They have a enough "street" level characters to make a gritty movie or HBO/Showtime series to counter program the Avengers. Give us Hereos For Hire or the Midnight Sons. Make it happen Marvel.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
ummmm harry? are you ok man? this isn't joe carnahan's sizzle. this is a youtube fan edit trailer by someone named skip chaisson
by la te ral us
i thought you learned your lesson after the whole "prometheus script" debacle
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There were about 15 years worth of Daredevil stories before Frank Miller started writing him. If the first one is rather bright and heroic and does well, make your darker sequel. The first Daredevil movie was pretty damn dark enough. Don't stumble out of the gate with this dark stuff. Batman can do it because he's Batman. Daredevil is practically a nobody outside of comic book readers. Granted, Daredevil did very well at the box office for a hero nobody ever heard of, but even Fox didn't think it was successful enough to make a sequel. And Daredevil doesn't have to be this dark to be good.
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The movie was cheesy, but Stevenson embodied the character better than Dolph Lundgren or Thomas Jane. The Punisher is a ridiculous character, so he got a ridiculous movie.
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Make it so, Marvel!
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Sorry Thomas Jane.
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There isn't much on the YouTube page, but nothing there convinces me this is real. Why would he use clips from The Warriors? I'm not buying it. Of course, this wouldn't be the first time Harry posted s
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Aug. 15, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
Something from YouTube as real content when it was a fan made video.
by Andrew
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That would be great. I'm glad Marvel got DD back. Fox has fucked up too many times for me to have any faith. Marvel at least will give it a solid approach. No R movie but at least it will be solid. Fox needs to just wake up and realize you can't half ass Fantastic Four. Those first two movies were so stupid but yet they didn't want like A Giant Galactus and made him a fucking space cloud... Um those movies were silly as shit a huge giant wouldn't have made it any sillier. Fantastic Four needs to be epic! Try watching the first movie and how cheap it is. They made Dr. Doom into some Trump like dipshit in a mask. NO! FF can be done right if you go all in and let the canon speak for itself. Kids will love it. I fucking promise you that.
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Is this real or not. I really liked it. It made me fall over. I fell over. Then I shouted. Is it real or what?
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The project is dead either way so what's it matter? If you enjoyed it, keep on enjoying it.
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So, if a project's dead, it's ok to post material that may or may not be linked to it? I've seen this posted on other sites, and they don't say who it came from, either. I'm just saying, the whole thing smells like a whore's vagina on Monday morning.
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Aug. 15, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST
Head Honcho Harry is slipping, with this not from Carnahan, reviewing Drive-The Bootleg/Torrent Copy, and Prometheus Script
by Mikeyeieio
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Rex Smith, guest starring Bill Bixby and Lou Ferrigno?
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Are posting the tweet where Carnahan says the project is dead, but not where he posted this. That's why I'm dubious.
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I liked the tone of this reel. The thing about Marvel comics made into movies is that the time and date doesn't need to be made explicit. The tone of a Daredevil could be like the 1970s without explicitily being set in that decade. The characters are timeless, and so is Marvel's NYC. I also like the idea of Marvel's film Universe having the Avengers and their ilk fighting World Threats and Cosmic alien enemies, while grittier heroes like Daredevil, the Punisher, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage fight street-crime and more down-to-earth villains. Daredevil has all sorts of potential. Frank Miller's version is the best, and should be emulated. Hopefully Disney will allow a Mean Streets version of Daredevil. A family-friendly Daredevil is an oxymoron and a waste of energy. This is why I always thought that Disney and Marvel are not a good match. Marvel has always been the more gritty and realistic of the two major comic book companies. Disneyfing Marvel would never work. Marvel has always been edgier.
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No. No. NononononononononNONONONOOOOO!!!! THIS is EXACTLY why Marvel needed the rights back. Stop trying to make these properties something that they AREN'T. And why do I keep seeing comments about DD needed to be some R-rated movie or pay cable series? What percentage of DD comics have been MAX books, hmm? DD has no business being any darker than what we already saw in TDK trilogy. In fact, it shouldn't even be that dark and gritty. Again, SO GLAD this will be back with Marvel soon. I'd rather it sit than be done wrong.
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But I really enjoyed it.
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you're fat
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Aug. 16, 2012, 3:18 a.m. CST
barron, stop making the same post in every fucking forums!
by chien_sale
we get it you want a World with street level heroes with DD, with Iron Fist, with Punisher. But this is about DD.
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you're absolutely right about the timelessness of Marvel's NY. Spot on!
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Aug. 16, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST
Marvel *used* to be the edgy one of the Big Two, now DC wears the crown and has for the better part of the decade. (Btw I'm talking about the comics, not the movies per se as DC really only has the Batman Trilogy to hold up as a point of pride.)
by NeonFrisbee
Of course, the Batman trilogy is also THE BEST of the superhero movies and is leaps and bounds above ANY of the Marvel movies (most of which have been crap except for Avengers and Raimi's Spiderman 1 and 2).
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Aug. 16, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
You gotta give Marvel this, though; as bland and boring and same-y as most of their movies have been, they've all been pretty successful. Their model makes sense; eliminate any artistic idiosyncrasies, follow the formula, crank out the hits.
by NeonFrisbee
They're also very family friendly, so they're perfect for something to prop the kids up in front of in lieu of parenting them. Younger kids will totally zone out to any/all of the Marvel movies. I don't think that works so much with Nolan's Batman flicks; they're too dark for kids. I won't be surprised when the inevitable Batman reboot is more colorful and happy and cookie cutter like the Marvel flicks.
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Aug. 16, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST
Nolan's Batrilogy may own Daredevil, but that one fight scene in DD (Pool Hall) supasses the hand to hand moments in all three bat films combined.
by Stalkeye
If you doubt me, just pop the discs in and click the FWD button to compare and compress.
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Aug. 16, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
Hopefully Marvel will make a much better DD Film (Sans Elektra) than FUX.
by Stalkeye
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