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Nordling here.

This one's got a steep hill to climb with me. John Milius's original RED DAWN is a watershed movie for me and my generation.  For today's kids, they just won't understand - when RED DAWN came out, the movie felt like a distinct possibility.  It wasn't until the Soviet Union collapsed that RED DAWN became a movie for its time.

Still, for propaganda, it was damn entertaining propaganda, and I have no doubt that Milius believed in what his movie was preaching.  The original RED DAWN was the first PG-13 movie released, and I remember seeing it made us feel pretty grown-up.  Who didn't imagine a scenario like that?  All the high school boys across the country did.  Hell, I still have a back-up plan percolating in my mind in case it ever does happen.  Those commie bastards ain't gonna take me or my friends alive.

So now, we get the inevitable remake (three years late, but it's here), and I just don't see the patriotism and the earnestness that makes the original so special.  Chris Hemsworth seems to be playing the Swayze surrogate here, but where's our C. Thomas Howell?  Our Ben Johnson?  Our Harry Dean Stanton? Plus, unlilke the original, these bad guys don't seem to have much personality to them.  Even Milius identified with our invaders in that respect.

In short (too late), I'll come at this with my usual optimism, but mostly, I just want my RED DAWN Blu-Ray (coming in October). Until then, I present this trailer courtesy of Yahoo, with a hearty cry of WOLVERINES!

RED DAWN opens November 21st.

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by Bodacious_Crumb say I'd rather have an Invasion USA remake.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Only dumbasses ever thought Russia would invade the US

    by Chain

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    I thought it was The Flamingo Kid

    by durhay

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST


    by Bodacious_Crumb

    Really. I swear that rating was invented for Temple of Doom.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    First PG-13 film

    by superlaser

    Flamingo Kid got the rating applied first, but Red Dawn was the first to be released. Temple of Doom was one of the films that led to the creation of the rating, but it was PG when released.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Looks better than the original.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I have zero nostalgia for the original, I only saw it as a grown up man. Which means that I can overlook the propaganda factor (Hey, if I can enjoy RAMBO 2, why not this?), but DAMN, what a boring movie! A group of boring kids mope in the woods or kill faceless goons, without any problems until the last act. Okay, maybe the remake will have even less action or character development than the original and maybe it sucks on a million other levels, but that railer was already a lot better than the whole original movie.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    looks like a lot of urban warfare

    by Rupee88

    it worked better in the original out in the woods, etc

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    AICN pimping preaty hard for movies no one cares about

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Can we have a few more articles about this sure to be crapfest, and pretend like no one has seen The Expendables 2 (and said it's the movie the 1st one should have been) or The Master (which got it's first showing last week to which the response was positive. Is the Red Dawn pimping going to be like the Battleship pimping that went on for months before it came out and died at the box office.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    i rather enjoyed that.

    by IamHERE

    Of course its not going to stack up to the original so I am not even going to try to compare it. As the article said, the original existed in a time where the story was relevant and a legit fear. It seems Josh, from Drake and Josh show, will be Charlie Sheens character. The scene with all the troops parachuting and the planes being shot down was pretty badass. Wont see it in the theatre but it looks like a fun ass rental.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Hey Man Nice Shot

    by mbg98

    I am so sick of that song being used in trailers.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Is it just me...

    by TheBlairZip

    ...or does this trailer have a Hunger Games Vs. North Korea vibe to it? Oh, and nice Clue the Movie reference.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    North Koreans? Really? HAHAHA

    by Volllllume3

    This is a shitty remake of the Australian movie The Day Before Tomorrow which itself was a shitty remake of the original Red Dawn.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I meant Tomorrow, when the war began.

    by Volllllume3

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I wonder who Judas will be

    by IamHERE

    The execution scene was so well done in the original, wonder who will betray the wolverines in this one?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST

    any reactions about Carlo Rambaldi's passing?

    by Gorgomel

    I would be very curious to hear Steven Spielberg about this. I never understood why the stopped working together after E.T.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom was never R, Poltergeist on the other hand

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Was originally going to be rated R, but Spielberg used his powers to lobby the MPAA to rate it PG.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST


    by therightclique

    Dude. No. Temple of Doom was never R.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    A fucking MacGuffin. . . goddammit.

    by WerePlatypus

  • LMAO!!!

  • ...if AICN had any backbone.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Set in the Seattle area? Cool.

    by R. B.

    I'll see it, 'cuz that's where I live.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    I was a Wolverine...

    by taosjedi

    I was one of the Wolverines in the original Red Dawn shot in Las Vegas, NM

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    But FUCK Wolverines! GO BUCKEYES!

    by R. B.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST

    This is like calling the Kung-Fu Kid "The Karate Kid"

    by Mel

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Step forward those who would serve for an army will be raised

    by Flutchy

    the powerful will be ripped from their decadent nests and cast out into the cold world that the rest of us has known and endured! Great to see Josh Peck, though.

  • Original film is awful in every way, has no deep message or any quality when it comes to the filmmaking or acting. This just looks like a straight balls out action film, with Hemsworth delivering yet again and forming the fucking Wolverines. I'm all over this.

  • The original, whatever your opinion of the politics, was at its core about desperation and survival. Lea Thompson and Jennifer Grey got dirty. The guys were clearly out of their depth, but they hung on by their fingernails regardless. In the end, all but two of 'em were fuckin' dead, including the badass Air Force pilot they hoped would be their saviour! There are no happy endings. This one: The girls are guerilla fighters, yet still have immaculate make-up and hair! Hemsworth is a Marine! They have Humvees and RPGs! They live in the suburbs! And their mission is to steal a fuckin' EMP device?!?! FUCK ... THIS ... SHIT ... I half expect the invisible car from Die Another Day to make an appearance.

  • "Rousing" speech about freedom. Check. Execution scene to establish bad guys as bad guys. Check. Implied nookie. Check. "They messed with the wrong family." Really? Seriously? Why do I have this funny feeling the movie is going to somehow end on the football field? Hey, Matt, point that RPG at me, willya?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Superlaser is correct on PG-13

    by theBigE

    6th post down or so - he's got the history of PG-13 summed nicely. I was 14 or so when the original Red Dawn came out - I remember the PG-13 rating - but even back then we thought a Russian invasion of the US was highly unlikely. A nuclear bomb, very likely, but not a manned invasion.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    We've got a review! 3 & 1/2 out of 5 stars.


  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by Sherlock Mandango

    Never seeing anything with any kind of connection to that "Wonder Woman" pilot.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST

    So GANGSTER SQUAD had to be postponed and reshot ...

    by No Respectable Gentleman

    ... but this paranoid wet-dream featuring photogenic citizens with assault-rifles blazing away at pestilential brown people is okay to advertise a week after the Sikh temple shooting. Go figure.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Going after the "new weapon" dooms this

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    That gives them a plot where they can theoretically win, which was entirely missing from the original. Those kids didn't know what they were doing, or why, or what their goal was. And in the end, most of them died, providing the teenage boys that were Nordling and myself a glimpse of the no-win scenario. It was, in its way, fairly shattering to the idea of American and teenage invincibility. This movie is about a bunch of bullet-proof kids doing typical action-movie stuff. Pass.

  • This movie would ALMOST have made sense if it was set in Seoul or Taiwan, and the American teenagers were tourists. NK invades SK, or China invades Taiwan, and the teenagers are caught in the chaos. The language barrier coulda added a bit more suspense, even. It still wouldn't make any REAL sense, but at least it woulda been Hollywood-plausible...

  • They overran STARBUCK'S and SEATTLE'S BEST?! Game over! I SURRENDER!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    and anyone who laughs at the idea of a Soviet invasion

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    is making it obvious that they are too young to remember the fear and paranoia of the time. The Cold War gets dissed now because it ended so suddenly, but for 50 years it was the height of heated rhetoric and every foreign policy decision, and many domestic ones, were made in that framework. It disappeared overnight and so it seems almost unreal, but the fear it engendered was very, very real.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Have to agree.. 'distinct possibility'

    by tailhook

    Red Dawn always felt like a fun movie. Nobody considered it 'realistic' in that the Russkies were just a parachute away. It was always a What If for anyone with an IQ over 20. That said, this new movie looks like pure and utter shit. I miss the days when a cast wasn't made of Sensitive Arteest wannabes caked in 10 tons of makeup and hamming it up for the cameras. When having a High School Kid in your movie meant someone actually looking and somewhat acting like a High School Kid, and not a reject from Juliard's. Even Hemsworth, who is usually reliable, looks like crap here with the fake American accent a couple octaves too deep to impart 'leadership'. I place a lot of the blame on the 'first time at the rodeo' stunt-coordinator-turned-director. Like other Hack Action Directors he simply tried to focus on the sound and the fury and had no idea how to actually get good performances from his no-name cast along with a movie that actually had some soul to it.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST

    It should have been China. More relevant...

    by JediRob

    ...but still, not even close.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Iraq is making their own version. It is called Red, White, and Blue Dawn

    by ajit maholtra

  • Everyone's a model, too competent, the save-the-day weapon, the nu-metal nonsense, the outrageously implausible premise. This just fell and went splat with one trailer. They're getting it wrong in all the most obvious ways we suspected they would, which means it's either just plain stupid or depressingly cynical, and either way it's worth ignoring. What the original got right still holds up. Even in its own nonsense world, it contained some real human fragility and was simultaneously rah-rah stupidity and reality check. This one just looks like a video game.

  • It's perfectly okay since white people don't go to Sikh temples.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    It was a stupid piece of shit in the 80's..

    by Righteous Brother

    and its just as bad now.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Flags are half staff for Sikh but nothing for Aurora shootings.

    by kindofabigdeal

    It is an election year after all. At least they got Christian Bale.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    People forget about the original, the country WAS nuked first.

    by Royston Lodge

    The major cities and the military installations are nuked first, via fake civilian airliners. Only then are the central American reserve troops sent to the middle of fuckin' nowhere to pacify the low-density civilian population. The reason for the invasion of Colorado is that all the best farmland in the country was glowing in the dark. The scrubland of the Colorado plateau was the best land left, so it had to be secured. No, I'm not saying it was genuinely plausible, only that it wasn't as completely ludicrous as some posters claim. The central American invaders seemed incompetent because they were SUPPOSED to seem incompetent. They weren't crack Russian troops. They were C-listers, sent to mop up what was expected to be an easy pacification mission. The biggest plothole of the movie is that Milius never explains why the US isn't able to get its own nukes off the ground for a counter-strike at the USSR. The movie completely disregards M.A.D.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    royston lodge

    by Rupee88

    Well nailed a good part of why the original was dumb but good and this one will be dumb and bad.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    @burnhollywood - Please stop talking out of your ass.

    by R. B.

    Even the stupidest imbecile knows that there's a HUGE...HUGE...military presence in the Seattle area.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    So who's guarding the DMZ?

    by whatevillurks

  • Better to just let you get into debt and then offer to "invest", buying up your resources and owing controlling shares in your infrastructure, food production and tech research. If China and the Saudis offered to bail your asses out you'd open the doors with a glad smile. All it would have taken was another term of Bush republicanism, you nation would have been broke and you'd have opened you legs for anyone, figuratively speaking! Thank the gods for Democrats!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    kindofabigdeal-Not sure what state you live in

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But they were here in Ohio for the Aurora victims.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Will be much like the Total Recall remake

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Remove the cheese and bite of the original, nobody is going to watch it.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    chewbacca_khan: You are exactly right.

    by Royston Lodge

    Contrary to popular belief, the original wasn't a typical 80s rah-rah action movie. On the contrary, it was an ANTIDOTE to the typical 80s rah-rah action movie. The fact that nearly every character DIES is too often overlooked, and the two characters that do survive AREN'T the main heroes! Not to mention the way that the Cuban commander is humanized with his "I used to be a revolutionary" speech. It was totally intended as a big splash of cold water into the faces of the adrenaline-fueled teenaged boys who went in thinking it would be a "kick those commie bastard asses" Rambo movie. The original is truly a story about "the no-win scenario". That's why it's such a good flick. This remake looks like it might as well have some fuckin' Ewoks in it.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST


    by Green


  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Seattle wouldn't be invaded. It would be nuked.

    by Royston Lodge

    Any city with that large a military presence would be a smoking hole long before any ground invasion would begin. Even if one accepts the stupid EMP weapon premise, what about all the soldiers and sailors stationed in the Pacific northwest?!?! Does the movie claim that the US mainland is vulnerable because so many troops and so much hardware has been diverted to Iraq and Afghanistan? Fuck, I have GOT to stop thinking about this stupid movie. It's really hurting my brain.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    You know what I'd really like to see? A remake of Amerida!

    by Royston Lodge

    I would pay to see an Amerida movie:

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Barbarella is rated PG...

    by Engelhast

    Titties and sexual inuendou all over the place in that one. I guess the MPAA was way more laid back about nudity back in the day.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST

    What?!?!? People actually liked the original?

    by schizoschizo

    Because that was a steaming pile of shit on every level. Nostalgia's one strong bitch.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    'Thank the gods for Democrats!" - ciderman

    by Johnno

    BWHAHAHA you think either of those two parties give a shit or can do anything their Banking Cartel overlords won't let them? Obama is wiping his ass with the U.S. Constitution! And Bush passed him the paper from his stall! Nobody needs to invade America! The best weapons againt it are the same socialist ideologies that enslaved most of Europe and Asia. Get rid of Christianity and replace it with worship of the State and humanism for the sake of the poor underclasses and the women, just like the commies did. That worked out well for everyone didn't it?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    johnno you are a fucktard

    by Engelhast

    Your words speak for themselves as proof.

  • It was as if part of my will to live died while watching that trailer :(

  • No way. Fuck Nepotism.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    This would only be interesting if the Americans were the invaders...

    by Humie Bubbie

    ...and the kids were in an arab country. Like real life. But I guess U.S. audiences couldn't get behind something where they were the bad guys.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Josh not Drake?!?

    by Mikala24

    I thought Drake was the athletic one and Josh was the fat one?! Now Josh plays QB? Wonders of the world...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    The best thing about the original: No fuckin' love story.

    by Royston Lodge

    All the kids are too fuckin' cold, starving, scared, and traumatized to even think about fucking. The girls woulda put a slug in the back of the skull of any boy that even tried. The closest is the crush that one girl has for Powers Boothe, and that's played just right with nothing really coming of it (especially since he gets wasted on top of the tank). How much you wanna bet there's a big heart-warming kissing scene between Wonder Woman and Thor in this piece-of-shit remake?

  • stupid studios

  • Any idiot who doubts that your "democrat" president isn't a marxist is fooling themselves. As for the movie, I'll check it out on Blu Ray but the first one doesn't hold up to well guys. I'm sorry I dug it too when it was released but time hasn't been kind to it. That being said, I'm amazed that in the current "hate America and everything we traditionally stood for" country we live in, that this movie got made at all! For that reason alone we should probably support it, but I'm still not convinced that somewhere in the movie it will be explained that America's capitalist planet raping foreign policies have caused this invasion so we have it coming. That seems like just the bullshit Hollywood would put out.

  • That's what was great about the original, it was just a bunch of no-trained Everymen fighting back.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    the tagline will probably be..

    by ShakaLaka Lambo

    Red Dawn : WE HAD IT COMING! or Red Dawn: The Wolverines fight back when America's chickens come home to roost! oh well, I hope its at least as good as the first, and I really hope I"m wrong about the America hating in it. I really do. We have the greatest country in the world, hell in the History of the World (part one or two lol) . Seriously, if we're so damn shitty then why the hell is everyone sneaking over our borders to get here? hey Vote Romney - at least he's not a communist.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    looks like crap.

    by WeylandYutani

    Although from a technical film making standpoint, it is pretty incredible how far the industry has come over the last 28 years. Visually it looks more dynamic than the original. However, back in 84, a Soviet/Cuban invasion was a real fear, even if it was TOTALLY unfounded. While hindsight is 20/20, it is clear that both superpowers were unsure about each others' capabilities: The USSR thought that the US had the ability to implement SDI and, in their view, the US was the only country to use nuclear weapons in a hot war. The US feared Soviet hegemony in eastern Europe and their formidable armoured divisions. Both countries have had language in their popular histories that suggested they looked beyond their borders as a component of national destiny: Manifest Destiny in the case of the US and the USSRs concept of 'World Revolution' and expansionism. The original Red Dawn was not simply propaganda, but was seeded in real (if unfounded) fears about Soviet capabilities, desires and designed in regards to the democracies of western Europe and North America. However, the notion that China and now North Korea would attempt a land invasion of the mainland US is beyond preposterous, even if they have some kind of secret weapon/EMP device, as showcased in this teaser. If MGM wanted to make an interesting invasion film, set it during the cold war in the 70s or 80s and call it Red Storm Rising.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST

    If the EMP neutralizes everything ...

    by Royston Lodge

    ... who the hell fires the missile that takes out the airplane in the very first action sequence, and how the hell do they get the trucks, jeeps, and radios working again so they can fight back? FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!! I HAVE to stop torturing myself with this shit.

  • Not like you're some idiot teenager that's quick to dismiss everything.

  • This story deserves better treatment.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Homeland: The Movie.

    by Sithtastic

    In some respects, this plays like Homeland, a video game wherein the NOKs implausibly invade the United States (also written by John Millius), backed by a EMP weapon strike (via satelite). It's a giant action set piece with the opportunity to do some things the original film couldn't do on a larger sale. As action goes, it might be promising, but that's where the promise ends. As someone who grew up in the twilight of the Cold War, I tend to believe now the orginal (1984) was very much a product of its time and playing to some relevant--if seemingly over hyped--fears of the day. Red Dawn gets a bad rap because a) the acting was questionable at best and b) as was stated prior, the guerrillas had a mostly trouble free insurgency until the third act of the film wherein the Soviets and Cubans finally get a leader who understands rudimentary counter-insurgency (as in "don't continue to shoot people's families for literally no reason"). This remake by contrast has been dogged by absurd cowtowing to political correctness (such as changing the Chinese to the North Koreans) and the finished product looks somewhat silly and empty. I'm not impressed.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Way too polished.

    by MoistMuskyCamelToe

    I'm not nostalgic about the original, but I did expect the characters to carry a sense of sorrow and to be completely exhausted. They should be struggling just to find enough food, not going after "super weapons". I'm sure my brother-in-law will love it. Pow, bang, guns, girls, 'splosions. Derp.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Let's leave the politics out of this, please. Morons.

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Let's not forget about the shaggable Lea Thompson

    by ATARI

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I don't remember the original having any big patriotic speeches.

    by Royston Lodge

    All the dialogue is about survival and vengeance, not high-minded pep talks involving freedom and democracy. Even Powers Boothe doesn't bother with that shit. His dialogue is cynical as hell. The closest the movie comes to that sort of shit is the text on the memorial plaque at the very end. The original's reputation as government propaganda is overblown. Look at how poorly the town's mayor is depicted! Milius is a right-winger, sure, but he's no apologist for the US government. By contrast, this trailer has Hemsworth spouting nonsense about "inheriting freedom" and all that jazz. Even if the premise was at all plausible, this flick would still be shit thanks to the retarded dialogue and characterizations, which have none of the ambiguity and balance of the original. Hell, even Swayze never REALLY seems like that much of a hero. His character is clearly just as scared and traumatized as the rest of the kids, but he's the oldest (and the only one with a vehicle) so he has to take charge. Methinks I'll have to watch that movie again tonight.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    But seriously now, North Korea? Are you fucking kidding me?

    by Volllllume3

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Yeah this "super weapon" goal is really... Uh, dumb.

    by D.Vader

    The original was better when it was just fighting to keep fighting. There was no real goal other than to not let them win. Now they get to go after the super weapon that will end the war for good? Yahoo, it's just like every other movie now.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    tophat - this email from Tripp Venison (or whatever)?

    by cushing1967

    I know there is a lot of interest and questions as to the changes announced regarding Red Dawn. This movie has been rebooted because the filmmakers all love the original movie. The experience of seeing Red Dawn as a young boy in the middle of a Cold War, was life changing for me and a generation. I assure you that everyone involved with the reboot is keenly aware of the responsibility of delivering a movie that can stand eye to eye with the original. The changes made to Red Dawn in the last few weeks were made in consultation with military think tanks and people that specialize in game theory. Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government. The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military. The type of people that can project a series of events that could lead to some very scary things happening to our Country. I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military. Red Dawn isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian - Red Dawn probably ain’t for you. But! If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way. WOLVERINES! Tripp Vinson I cut and paste into a word document it because it is one of the funniest most brilliant things I have ever read and it should be remembered.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    royston lodge-Well the theaters need more war mongering propoganda

    by Samuel Fulmer

    To go with the national guard advertisements before the movie.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Now I feel like watching the original tonight

    by D.Vader

    Hooray for 80s nostalgia!

  • I think I'd try to deflect his arm away and gouge out the guy's eye or chop his throat before I got gunned down by the others.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST


    by letsfightinglove

    Just like Total Recall.

  • Yeah, eventually the invaders are driven off, off-screen and at unseen cost, but the Wolverines themselves LOSE. They lose, badly.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Exactly, Royston. Swayze was just the oldest, not a marine.

    by D.Vader

    He was the reluctant hero by default, not the expected hero because of his training. Not happy with that change.

  • I know there is a lot of interest and questions as to the changes announced regarding Red Dawn. This movie has been rebooted because the filmmakers all love the original movie. The experience of seeing Red Dawn as a young boy in the middle of a Cold War, was life changing for me and a generation. I assure you that everyone involved with the reboot is keenly aware of the responsibility of delivering a movie that can stand eye to eye with the original. The changes made to Red Dawn in the last few weeks were made in consultation with military think tanks and people that specialize in game theory. Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government. The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military. The type of people that can project a series of events that could lead to some very scary things happening to our Country. I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military. Red Dawn isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian - Red Dawn probably ain’t for you. But! If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way. WOLVERINES! Tripp Vinson

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Let's get over the North Koreans as bad guys, shall we?

    by D.Vader

    It makes a helluva lot more sense to have a country run by an insane family decide to invade than to make a country we're not on unfriendly terms with the sudden murderous attackers. Making China the bad guys was just a stupid and dangerous idea to start with.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST

    They may lose, Royston

    by D.Vader

    But at least they will go down in history as freedom fighters who fought for their land and their home despite the odds. That's the uplifting part. They don't need a "victory" to be heroes.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    (speaking about the original there, Roy)

    by D.Vader

  • Give me a break. Complaining about this movie not looking good because the actors are all "models" is bullshit. You mean to tell me that Jennifer Grey, Lea Thompson, Patrick Swayze and Charlie Sheen weren't eye candy in the 80's? You all drooled and jerked off to how pretty The Avengers was, but use the excuse "because they nailed the characters down exactly" but Red Dawn has the same thing going for it, so wait before you judge. By the way, most attractive people have attractive mates, so your logic is lost on reality.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Avengers is about super heroes. They SHOULD look polished

    by D.Vader

    Bad argument mate.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    This movie proves we are a bunch of chickenshits

    by Redc40

    The digital alteration of the invading forces from Chinese to North Korean was the final straw. What, are we so fucking scared of pissing off the people who hold a ton of our sovereign debt that we'll kowtow and remove them as the bad guys in a piece of fiction becuase it would make them mad? For God's sake, the Brits got over The Patriot, and the Canucks got over South Park The Movie. Of course the Brits and the canucks don't own us. So I guess the invasion already happened and we rolled over like a cheap streetwalker. OK I'm not ACTUALLY that pissed, but it's fun to rant just the same. But it IS a chickenshit move to roll over for the Chinese. And the idea that the North Koreans could launch such an invasion is so preposterous as to make the entire movie unwatchable. There's "willing suspension of disbelief" and then there is plain stupid (for example of the latter, refer to about 60% of the stunts in the Pierce Brosnan Bond flicks). In the original Red Dawn, the ignorant cousins of the Soviets i.e. Cubans only came along as advisor/observers and did not constitute the main invasion force. At least that made some degree of sense. And where did the North Koreans keep all those turboprop transport aircraft the paratroopers are jumping out of to avoid detection by satellites prior to the "blackout"? Inside the thousands of miles of tunnels underneath their crapped out country?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    And high school jocks & cheerleaders ARE pretty people

    by static007

    So my argument is absolutely spot on.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    This is about regular people. They should look dirty.

    by D.Vader

    The argument isn't that these people are too pretty, bc of course the actors in the original were all heartthrobs too. The argument, if you have been paying attention bc it has ALREADY been said, is that in the original those pretty actors got DIRTY. Here they all appear to retain their good looks and makeup despite living out in the wild for months. Except for Isabel Lucas but I think she has that wild caveman hair from the start.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Throw booze onto the fire for effect

    by andYaphetKottoasParker

    Can't wait to hear Comedian say, "600 million screamin' Chinamen."

  • That's not even comparable to just entirely making a entire nation our enemies when we are on somewhat friendly terms with them already. Get the fuck over it. Its a bad idea to paint the Chinese in this light. We're not at war with them.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Static, your argument is still bad

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Bc you're arguing the wrong thing.

    by D.Vader

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    d.vader: Not a single change makes a lick of sense.

    by Royston Lodge

    Go through a list of all the changes from the original. Not a single one adds to the quality, or fixes any problem with the original: - The older brother's now a Marine. - The kids are ass-kicking action heroes with serious hardware instead of scared-shitless kids with hunting rifles and a few cans of beans. - The girls are models. - A high-tech invading army from an impoverished country across the Pacific instead of former guerilla fighters from central America with the backing of a superpower. - The suburbs of Seattle instead of rural Colorado. - An actual goal and end-game with a real chance of success instead of cynical vengeance and suicidal fatalism. Even the change from China to NK doesn't make any sense, from a political point-of-view. If the change was made to placate Chinese sensibilities, then how come China in the movie simply allows NK to go ahead with this invasion? What, we're supposed to believe China would be neutral in this scenario? Does NK kick China's ass as well, the way Russia kicks China's ass in the original? (I thought there were a billion screaming Chinamen? There WERE...)

  • Just sayin'. I don't get the feeling they train out in the woods for months in this one, only to attack in the city. In the original, the town still had showers and the prisoners were clean. My guess is they retreat to the woods for a spell (the trailer basically doesn't show them in the woods long enough to see how dirty they are) and then take refuge in the city. You don't train in the woods for urban combat, I am anticipating how that plays out in this one.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    d.vader-It's also a bad idea to make this movie

    by Samuel Fulmer

    If a studio can't make an actual military threat the invader in a Red Dawn remake, what's the point? Sure we're on good terms with China, but they're the only country with the people and military to pull off any kind of invasion.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    A better movie would've had a Sarah Palin stand in

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Repel a Russian invasion.

  • Let's face it: the original had some interesting turns towards the end, but that was not a particularly tight screenplay, and as much as I love the late Swayze (and for the record, I don't really, I always thought he was a barely average actor, but he was just such a NICE GUY and at least he was charismatic) even his screen presence didn't save it. The pacing of this remake already looks better. There. I said it.

  • I wasn't trying to say that having them lose hurt the story. Rather, having them lose is what saves it from being nothing but mindless propaganda. Yes, the original is blatantly political and ideological, and I have nothing against those who respectfully disagree with the politics of the original, but it's simply foolish for those who claim it's mindless propaganda.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    BTW, the city in this one doesn't come close to resembling Seattle

    by static007

    Not sure why this was filmed in Detroit to stand in for Seattle suburbs or whatnot, not the slightest of resemblance in both city and forest scenes.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    For us, this is our home.

    by Bill Clay

    Every bomb making insurgent in the Middle East says the same thing.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    Yeah I'll pass

    by Wcwlkr

    Not really interested didn't love the first one so don't care about the remake.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Also, Adrianne Palicki is FINE.

    by ScaryWaitress

  • Didn't think that was possible.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    If it was the US Gov invoking Martial Law...

    by Bigdada

    this might have been interesting.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    d.vader: NK is aided by China and Russia in this remake

    by static007

    North Korea alone would make this far too ridiculous, but the fact that China and Russia aid in the invasion at least gives enough credibility to see how it plays out in film. Jeffrey Dean Morgan confirmed China and Russia's role at ComiCon this year.

  • So I won't entirely agree with you on that. But I will agree they got down and dirty. Dunno if that will happen here.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    If you HAVE to make a Red Dawn remake, it should be a fictional enemy.

    by Royston Lodge

    Yeah, it would have been decried as a cop-out, but it's the only way to make it even close to plausible. How to do a Red Dawn remake that doesn't COMPLETELY suck: - Fictional enemy. - Set it nowhere NEAR a major city or a major military installation. - Give the kids hunting gear, not military gear, at least to start. - If one of the kids HAS to be in the military, make him a cook or something, like Nikki Katt's character from subUrbia. - Throw the actors into the woods and starve the shit out of them. The actors should be nearly as miserable as the characters they play.

  • Remember the original had a prologue that explained what had happened in world politics to allow the Communists to invade. The same may happen here to explain why the NKs can invade. If they say it in the movie and it makes sense internally, we should accept it, not continue to bleat "that wouldn't happen in today's world." Bc it's a movie. It's not meant to be today's world really.

  • Like that guy.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    "North Korea alone would make this far too ridiculous"???

    by ScaryWaitress

    You mean, MORE than the idea that an invading counrty would even BOTHER sending a strike force to the MidWest? Brother, the shark has already jumped. Y'all need to grab onto that dorsal fin and ride, ride, ride.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    I don't think Grey and Thompson were model-esque.

    by Royston Lodge

    Thompson was really cute, no question, in a high-school sort of way, but she didn't look like a model. And Grey's pre-nosejob face was very girl-next-door. Maybe I'm just too old and high school girls actually do look like that these days?

  • And now the entire high school is populated with Abercrombie & Fitch models. Who said we didn't need this remake?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    No idea, Roy.

    by D.Vader

    All I know is that I would have unequivocally done them all.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    That really looks terrible...

    by Andrew Coleman

    The plants on here talking about how this looks good... Please fucking stop because it's pathetic. The scene with the planes dropping troops... NK only has like 100 fucking planes in general. Most of their money was focused on the Navy because one day they thought they would invade oh you know South Korea! You fucking morons! A TBer before brought up a good point. This movie should have been set in South Korea with American tourists there helping in the fight. First off would have been super pro-American and would have made sense. The message being Americans don't like bullies and will fight with and for our friends over seas. But no they went with the US being invaded because that trailer makes no fucking sense... SOOO we are to believe the N. Koreans somehow built up a Navy/Air Force/Military presence to invade at least the western half of the US(impossible)... THEN we're suppose to believe they got over here without us knowing... THEN we're suppose to believe they made some magical super EMP that took out all the power even though they can't fucking feed their own fucking people! I'm hoping they explain all of this but they won't. This movie was made for dip shits and anyone who sees it should be put in prison.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Caught some Side Out with C Thomas...

    by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist

    That underated gem would translate very well to the Broadway stage. Would think the role of Monroe Clark would cause young upstart actors to salivate.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST

    d.vader: That's true, the internal logic MIGHT be explained...

    by Royston Lodge

    ...but I doubt it. I agree that with the right writing, and the right explanation about why it's possible in the fictional world of the movie, then it's theoretically possible to make a Red Dawn remake that doesn't totally suck. Like, if they actually put some thought into how the EMP device works and how its delivered, then I could live with it. However, I ain't feelin' it from this trailer. It simply looks like this "new type of weapon" is nothing but a pseudoscientific deus ex machina. If they researched the sort of hypothetical threat scenarios that actual war colleges are always working on in order to come up with something halfway-plausible, then I might be a little more sympathetic.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The HOARD has taken over!

    by mistergreen

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    No need to shoot us - China will just buy us...

    by halfassedastronaut WalMart trinket at a time.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I know international audiences eat up the transformers franchise.

    by whatevillurks

    So anythings possible. But how DO you market this overseas?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Watch Out Americans, The Chinese are Coming...

    by D o o d

    to sell you electronics at affordable prices! You can say NO and hit back with an Aussie!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    This movie's marketing plan...

    by nephilim138

    "hey guys, let's wait and see if any of these actors become big stars then we'll release it" Altering flags and such doesn't take a year in post to do. Just a cash grab off Hemsworth and Hutchinson

  • Anybody with half a brain new Reagan and his cronies were pumping up the fear factor so they could get a second term and all the money they wanted for nukes. The original always felt like a silly action flick. I like the look of this better, but yea, the macguffin blows hard.

  • first off those nukes that took out the cities and military installations? bullshit. we would have rained down ICBMs on Russia and made a huge farking crater out of the place from all of our European silos and subs. All of Europe would have retaliated for us even if we weren't able. It's a no win scenario for either side. The whole cold was was military industrial complex propaganda to scare us out of our money.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Knew - where the fuck is the edit button

    by rhizomeman

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    It's what I expected

    by twogunjames

    Patrick Swayze anchored the original in a way Hemsworth can't do by making a lot of speeches, and by being a marine on leave. The fact that they transplanted the story (and a few key action sequences too) from small town USA to suburbia is again missing so much of what made the original click. Swayze having a single action colt in his glove box and rifles on a rack in his truck, things like that were the point. That hunters and sportsman can rise up and defend the nation in a time of need is something I would not mind seeing in a movie again. And the EMP thing is really bothersome. It just makes this a video game. A "mission" movie, which the original was not.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Kids fighting the enemy isn't enough?

    by Wyldstaar

    Following a small band a guerrilla fighters as they take down as many of the enemy as possible before their inevitable deaths isn't enough to make the Hollywood suits happy anymore. Now they've got to single handedly steal the "superweapon" that allowed this farce to take place to begin with.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST


    by Nice Marmot

    HELL no, I'll never watch this . . .

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    royston lodge

    by WeylandYutani

    In a sense, this long delayed remake DOES have a fictional enemy. There is no way that China and N Korea could mount a sustained land invasion of the US heartland. I doubt that they could even hold part of Alaska, Hawaii or even the American protectorates in the Pacific for long. Besides, why would they want to? Generally, you don't mount an invasion on the other side of the world on an entirely different continent. It is easier to pick on your ethnically different neighbours, like Napoleon, Hitler, Stalin or to a far lesser extent Putin, Saddam Hussein or Milošević or [insert loon of the month here]. The US is the exception to this rule and they only did it because of a huge numerical and technological superiority... And even then it cost them dearly. Regardless, I see your point. I am sure this film will find a cult following with political wing nuts.

  • Please stay out of the conversation unless you can keep up with current events.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Hey chain, all of Europe withdrew from NATO in the movie

    by D.Vader

    I ask that from now on everyone who decides to talk about the original should have at least seen the original first.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    for some, this is just a place. For us, this is our home

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    one day there could be a remake in a third world country where they say the same thing

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Unintentional Comedy Gold: The Movie

    by buggerbugger

    The only thing that could make it funnier would be a 'Based on a True Story' tagline somewhere. Badass macho marines **and** sexy jailbait cheerleaders? With guns?! Defending America from the Axis of Evil Mutants from Over There Somewhere?!? Give me a heartfelt HUA, you fucking tubby God-fearing fantasymeisters! This Thanksgiving (whenever the fuck that is), all of your masturbatory gun-totin', tresspasser-killin' dreams come true! Again! For only the xth time this year! It's just such a shame that you have to get fictionally pwned by someone as shitty as North Korea, man. They could have at least made an effort to go with something more credible, like aliens with a chronic water allergy. You may laugh, but those fuckers are out there, waiting in the cold, dark vastness of space. And they're coming. Did I mention that they're entirely naked?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by dynamicb

    It is weird, I remember them shooting this in Michigan, but when I see parts of Grand Ledge and Detroit very recognizable in the trailer, makes me feel like I have to see it.....damn!

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Jeffrey Dean Morgan will die

    by jemagee

    Because that's why you hire jeffrey dean morgan - (save for the losers) - to die

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    well maybe you've not been keeping up on current events

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    but we just got our asses kicked, pal...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST

    The trailer looks betetr than expected

    by dr geek

    However, it also looks more *urban* than I am comfortable with. The 'back to nature' and 'outdoorsman' character of the Colorado kids was central to the thematic value of the first one, so they better not eff with that too much! . . .and somebody better get shot by a goddamned arrow at some point . . . and the C Thomas Howell character better go nuts. . . . and he better die in a shoot out with a helicopter and. . . . awww crap, why did they remake this?!?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST

    Can't Hollywood find decent enemies or.....

    by Torben

    decent stories it's all remakes again and again, so lets push the paranoia with another bad guy country if its not Alqueda it's North Korea haven't they got there own issues with a dictator, Invasion USA Chuck Norris now that's a movie! Or how about a movie where hollywood is attacked by original scripts and remakes are sentenced to death, there said my piece.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Should have done a Civil War scenario.

    by whatevillurks

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST


    by Andrew Coleman

    With the Taliban attacking American troops the way they are won't watching this movie feel weird. America is the country invading others not the other way around. People might feel a little odd in their seats.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:30 p.m. CST


    by donkingkong


  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Hey, I was there.

    by berserkrl

    quote:: when RED DAWN came out, the movie felt like a distinct possibility. :: unquote No. No it didn't. Not to those of us who knew anything about geopolitics.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    NRA wet dream

    by Steve Lamarre

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    Wins 'Best Post' for this thread.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Looks bad, but so was the original.

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    The first PG-13 movies were...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Red Dawn and Dreamscape... as I recall. ToD was rated PG with a special parental warning label attached. Spielberg being the Hollywood heavyweight got it through somehow. It was his fight over the ToD rating that directly lead to the PG-13 rating being created.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Spineless Hollywood...

    by The Chebb

    Let's change the enemy from China to North Korea since we don't wanna piss off

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Please no more Filter songs for trailers

    by Billy

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Passing on this (and the original was good stuff)

    by AstroNerdBoy

    When the remake of "Red Dawn" was first bantered about, having the Soviets and their allies (Cuba, Central America) replaced by China was something I was OK with. China is a rising power today, and thanks to the current political policy that dictates that America must be taken down a lot of pegs, it was a more plausible, though unlikely, idea of China being the enemy. Once they replaced China with North Korea as an enemy ('cause we owe the Chinese so much money from our insane national debt to procure votes, we have to "toss their salad" whenever they demand it), that was it. There is zero plausibility in North Korea doing jack. The only thing North Korea could do is attack South Korea, and they'd get wiped out by joint South Korean/US forces (though North Korea could inflict heavy casualties in a first strike, especially with nukes). So, I will not touch this remake with a 10-foot pole. As to the original, it is clear that the critics of the original movie were either (1) not alive in the 80's or too young to remember the Cold War or (2) just being trolls who may not have even watched the original, or didn't pay attention to certain things stated. However, to myself and others of that time, it was a possibility, even if unlikely, for sure. Heck, Milton Bradley even released a game in 1986 with a similar idea called Fortress America, which sold quite well. I still have the original game, complete with the dude who looks like Saddam Hussein on the cover.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST


    by Lobanhaki2

    One of the big problems is: we won! Communism is dead, so you don't have the rather populous Russia or Warsaw pact to take control with. Another is, North Korea wouldn't have the manpower. China, yes. It goes on. You know, you'd probably be better off doing a sci fi or fantasy premise. Then you could excuse the premise on logistical grounds.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST


    by Steve Lamarre

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by Billy

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    Totally offensive to anyone with a brain.

    by cameron

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Those of you calling Hollywood spineless

    by D.Vader

    Educate yourself and stop looking like a complete fool without any idea of how business and commerce works.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    d.vader, I'm afraid your argument isn't very good.

    by DocPazuzu

    The one about us not being at war with China at the moment, that is. They could have easily gotten around that problem with a text prologue (like in the original) where a near future has a resurgent, post-coup, belligerent Red China as a potential threat, thus setting up a more believable scenario. Hell, you could even throw in the Norks as the pacifying force, just like the Cubans and Nicaraguans in the original, while the People's Army is off engaging U.S. forces at the main fronts. Bottom line is that the studio not only chickened out, but pretty much said ' ' we think the movie-going public is so fucking stupid that they'll buy into the idea that NK could invade the U.S. on itt own. ' ' And as if that wasn't bad enough, the movie has completely vamoosed any and all valid points in the original -- and there actually were a few among the awesome cheesiness. As for the armchair generals here talking about how implausible a Soviet invasion was at the time, it wasn't until after the Cold War that two vital things emerged. 1) how inept and retarded the Soviet armed forces had become by the mid to late 1980s 2) how inept and retarded our own intelligence agencies were in missing that rather important information Also, I would like to remind those who scoff at the original that the film didn't take place in a real 1984, but an alternate 1984 where NATO had been disbanded and a weakened America's only real ally was Great Britain.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Saw the original in the cinema...

    by Baryonyx

    ...and it was pretty shit.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST

    d.vader, but vameo is an idiot teenager.

    by shane peterson

  • I've watched it a few times, and this film looks no worse than it at all, I have always stood by how terrible Red Dawn is. Everyone is going to say this looks dumb and stupid, but it looks no more retarded than the original film. At least this seems to know what it wants to be, an action film, the original Dawn was a mess that felt lifeless and stale. It was like a penis that just couldn't get hard, no matter how many pretty people ended up in the movie.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    And the remake gets your penis hard?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Hemsworth always gets me hard, the two of us got a thing.

    by Randy

    Ever since he died to save little baby Kirk, that man has had me.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You've been had, all right.

  • I like the trailer to this movie, I think it looks solid and I could be wrong when it comes out, I have no idea. However, I have seen the original and hated it, I don't just slam it to be cool, I love 80's movies as much as the rest of you. I just think it's a film with a lack of focus or vision, it only works as a punchline to jokes, like the way Scrubs used it once. We all know about it, Wolverines, a bunch of 80's stars and a cool premise, but it was just a bad movie then and it still is now. This has a good cast to it(so did the original), it seems like it's focused and Hemsworth can carry a movie.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    *I just think it's a film with a lack of focus or vision*

    by DocPazuzu

    All hail the Fail King.

  • They get it ALL wrong. I will not download or watch this shit on cable. Just ridiculous. Prometheus and Dark Knight Rises were pimp. Fuck these remakes. Bull fucking shit.

  • Fine, I'm happy that you enjoy it, it's a mess to me and completely boring because it feels like the events in the film just happen, with no visceral impact. Sure, the landing scene is cool, that was it for me. The rest was a lifeless film with kids chilling in the woods with little to no depth to any of them.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by Nichole

    You could not be more wrong. If you are a fan of 80's movies, then that turd of a thought wouldn't have fallen out of your mouth. Fuck this movie. That is all.

  • I mean, fuck, you're already on the internet since you're on AIC. Here's the truth for all you lazy bums: The first film distributed with a PG-13 rating was Red Dawn (1984). Dreamscape and The Woman in Red were released on the same day the following week. The Flamingo Kid (1984) was the first film to receive the rating, but was not released until December 1984. Source: LA Times

  • I wish I could feel different, I remember being excited to watch it, but it's a pretty crappy film that I could only see working through nostalgia. Same goes for St. Elmo's Fire, and I have plenty of friends who love it, but I just find it to be really boring and poorly written. I think some people are being too harsh on this trailer, as the original film wasn't a great movie to begin with. That's just me.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Instead, just watch both seasons of JERICHO on Netflix.

    by Uncle Stan

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Fear of nukes vs. fear of poverty

    by Nem_Wan

    We were unafraid to make movies demonizing the USSR (which was no less stupid, really) but China being offended makes us change the movie. They should invented fictional countries or done an alt-verse where the Soviet Union still exists.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I did like Jericho.

    by Randy

  • Good lord, man, how stupid do you think we are? 'We used game theory, and... stuff.' It doesn't make us believe you, and makes you look a lot more desperate. (thanks to sam for providing the text)

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You forgot INSULTING.

  • It's not like we don't have other places to send jets from, battleships, aircraft carriers, allies and bases in the region, etc., etc., etc. At least in the 80s, the Russians were legitimately comparable militarily, and the lingering notion of nuclear threat made the idea of them destabilizing us enough to suspend disbelief. Also convenient for modern dumb audiences is the non-Caucasian bad guys. The "they are us" aspect of the Russians the original film that crept up occasionally made the violence more impactful. To avoid being legitimately branded with "they all look alike" stereotyping, this film will have to work much harder to humanize the enemy. I'm not putting any money on them actually doing that.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by Nichole

    How old are you? Honestly.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I hope the liberators put down these terrorist teenage insurgents.

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    I knew most of what I needed to by their misuse of 'everyday' in their trailer. Should be two words in that context. But then, I'm friends with vegetarians, so the filmmaker has already told me I shouldn't buy a ticket! Can't wait until all movies critical of the Chinese are "digitally altered." FU MANCHU... THE EVIL... AL QAEDA MASTERMIND... <-- LA Times story on how all-american meat-eater Tripp Vinson kowtowed to his chinese overlords

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    lol. pointless remake

    by rakesh patel

    i cant even remember the original, but that was an age of innocence. it's fucking inconceivable that any country would take on the US, super weapon or no superweapon or no super weapon. we didnt ask the obvious questions like how the fuck would this even be possible! back in the 80's. however to think that no one will ask that in 2012 is just ridiculous. which fucking exec green lighted this?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Here's the LA Times story about all-american meat-eater Tripp Vinson kowtowing to his chinese overlords

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The anal rape reference in the original movie is creepy

    by cock smoker

    Charlie Sheen asks Lea Thompsons character to do the dishes, she refuses... He asks "whats up her butt" and jennifer grey drops the beans that she got butt raped by the Russians/Cubans. Am I the only one that found it weird...but somewhat erotic at same time?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    North Korea? Really?

    by Ed

    I guess having China be the bad guy would have hurt the foreign box office too much.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    "Everyday"? Fa chrissakes...

    by Unscripted

    I don't expect Shakespearean prose in movie trailers but you'd think that out of about 20 words they could get them all right. Oops, I guess in the NewSpeak I mean "alright"...

  • ....and the weather, people, terrain and politics over here are *wildly* different from Seattle as well. Just thought I'd point that out to re-align some preconceptions.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Hemsworth channeling his inner Sam Worthington

    by cock smoker

    That Aussie dialect came thru pretty strong. They should set him up as a US Army brat raised on a base in northern AUS because that accent is hilarious.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Nice! Abercrombie & Fitch vs the Chinese!

    by Bedhead7

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    this is one movie i wish had stayed shelved

    by antonphd

    the whole premise is retarded. yeah, i get that idiots kids thought it could really happen in the 80s, but it's fucking stupid. we have nukes. we would use them before we ever let ourselves get invaded. end of story. but, at we say, i guess John has to eat somehow

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    The first Red Dawn was preposterous

    by Hesiod2k7

    A soviet invasion of the heartland along with Cuban paratroopers who, apparently, we're trained for mountain fighting! LMAO!! The United Sates can never be invaded by a foreign power, except perhaps by a million barely armed Mexican families flooding over the Southern border. What scared people during the Cold War was the threat of NUCLEAR WAR not a soviet nvasion. That's why War Games was a far more pertinent movie at the time than Red Dumb

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    The movie was filmed in Michigan

    by Hesiod2k7

    So - WOLVERINES! Is actually relevant.

  • Because China already owns so much of us now that it would make little sense for them to parachute in one day and start shooting up their investment. I remember concepts for this remake floating around several years ago that would have dealt with the U.S. suffering a catastrophic national disaster of some kind, and the emerging Chinese superpower coming in to provide relief at our government's invitation and then slowly taking us over from within before we'd realized what was happening. That would have had more to do with the world of 2012 than this remake's notion of the US being militarily conquered by a country of about 25 million starving people without electricity. And yes, anyone who laughs at the very concept of the original's Soviet invasion betrays their youth. Nobody under 25 (30?) will really "get" the original movie today. No one was laughing about the Cold War in the early '80s, when the Russians were shooting down civilian airliners and "The Day After" had been viewed by half of the entire U.S. population. We were probably closer to real (nuclear) war with the Soviets then than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis, and if the idea of a Russian invasion was extremely unlikely, it was also a plausible enough scenario to hit home with Americans of 1984.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    I'll give it a shot, based on potential, not this trailer.

    by AttackingClone

    I don't like making judgements based on trailers because I think they are to grab attention, not lay out the movies structure. Things people have complained about- Bad guys have no personality = it's a trailer, you won't get that from a trailer. These average folk have heavy firepower = maybe, like in the original, they start off with a few hunting rifles, hand guns, then take better weapons from defeated enemy (hopefully) Macguffin to save Murika = I kinda hope this isn't the case. This should be a no win situation for our heroes (like the original), do what you can for you country, but don't give us a Rambo kicking a whole armies ass ending. Check out Australia's version of this with "Tomorrow, when the war began" great movie from a few years back

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Red Dawn got remade because it became every gun nut's wet dream

    by Hesiod2k7

    And, the hidden subtext of the movie was that it wasn't the Russians and Cubans - it was an oppressive US Gvt they were fighting. That's the whole reason gun nuts ove them the second amendment. They have wet dreams about becoming freedom fighters blowing Obama's Black Panther and Nationmof Islam socialist revolutionary army up in a gorge, or something They're completely batshit. In this new version, that subtext is gone completely and people will just laugh

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST

    How about movie where America invades?

    by Bong

    Would do well overseas...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    No chance whatsoever that I see this

    by Smartacus

    I was a high school kid when the first one came out and I genuinely enjoyed it. Now I'm too old to not understand that there isn't a single credible threat to the United States on the planet. The biggest other super power is China and not only can they not project their power across the Pacific militarily they also wouldn't begin to contemplate going to war with their biggest customer. North Korea couldn't maintain supply lines to the other end of the peninsula much less to the coast of the U.S. On top of that even if they could China would never allow it. All Arab states combined couldn't put together a real threat to just a fraction of the U.S. military. No, this was stupid then but I was too young and dumb to know it. Today I can't possibly overlook how retarded it is. North Korea couldn't maintain supply lines to the other end of the peninsula much less to the coast of the U.S.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    So this has nothing to do with Hugh Jackman?

    by Fries Against

  • Without bread, extra shit and a side order of shit. Go and see it America, pat yourselves on the back for being so righteous and then go and fuck over some some more skinnies for their oil in the name of glorious democracy. Who the fuck in their right mind would want to invade you?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Does Hemsworth give a bunch of cliche speeches

    by Bass Ackwards

    Or was that all culled from one speech, with a bunch of cliched lines. It's like the writer couldn't decide on which line worked best, so he just crammed them all in there (we inherited our no wait, this is our no...this is our family....). Also, Hemsworth American accent is hopeless. Also, never saw the original, but did it also center around the maguffin that the opposing army invaded and brought with it a weapon that would defeat itself?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Red Dawn is rightwing Tea Party NRA propaganda

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    And Isabel Lucas, an anti-war leftwing protestor, is a fucking hypocrite.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Looks like a steaming pile of'll probably be a hit.

    by Heresy

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    It's also worth mentioning that they filmed China, and photoshopped N Korea

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    They didn't want to offend China, so they photoshopped everything Chinese with N Korean, and reshot a lot of stuff. Why didn't Nordling report on this? Because he's reading the autocue the studio sent him.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST

    @bong re: "How about a movie where America invades?

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST

    oops, meant to say, You rock, bong!

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    Also, I think that movie is called FOX news...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST

    Keep your eyes to the North, America.

    by lochkray

    It's not the Koreans or the Russians, or even the Chinese you have to be watching. It's those damned Canadians. Nobody can be that polite and innocuous, without being up to something. Like a smiling Nazi. Don't trust them. The border is completely undefended up there. Once they figure out how to build their igloo military structures in Texas, America will be doomed. Hasn't anybody noticed that Alaska seems to be getting smaller on the maps, year after year? Those damned hockey-puckers are encroaching. Red Dawn indeed. The red of the maple leaf. We're already inside the looking glass.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    that looks...

    by snaredrum

    not so good

  • It's the same as all the stuff that lead to the Iraq war. It was also done by the same people. It's true look it up. They created a department which pumped out false information about the soviet threat.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST

    vameon, It is not Impossible, but

    by Nichole

    my synapses aren't connecting, that possibility, thus it makes no sense to me. I'm 36 and I thought the original was awesome.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST


    by Jeff

    They messed with the wrong family.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    China invades

    by Ian Breske

    If they would've incorporated something that could actually happen like this scary scenario: It could've been great. Americans on vacation would've fit nicely into that. Hey, if it makes good money, they can do that in Red Dawn 2. Oh, and all America haters can suck a dick. ha

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Not too promising...

    by Sean

    Connor Cruise? Are you fucking kidding me? No. No. No. Hey Man, Nice Shot? Love the song but Behind Enemy Lines used it in that takes me back awhile. Maguffin...ugh. Hemsworth is a marine...too convenient. By the time they announced the aggressor switch a year or so back i knew this would be bad. The original isn't perfect (i appose anything jingoistic and patriotic) but it had some fucking chilling sights as a child watching the teacher get killed, kids dying...bleak as shit. So, it at least had some reality to it. This new one's bound to be soft.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    America is very difficult to invade

    by Nerd Rage

    But I guess the history books say this land was chosen for religious freedom so we might as well keep that lie going.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    film hipsters and snobs the lot of you

    by Daniel

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST

    The Southern Border is very porous

    by egoing

    Don't give me the United States is not susceptible to an invasion, especially since the border with Mexico is practically undefended. 30 Million people have illegally entered. Don't tell me the country who birthed Sun Tzu is not war gaming their economic and military adversary (albeit in very bad shape economically). China uses North Korea as their proxy and counter weight in the region. Now onto this frivolous popcorn movie. They cut the meat off the bone of this remake. Let's go get a super weapon Rawr. Bah.

  • You want plausible? What kind of rifts this country would go through if it keeps on killing Main Street to save Wall Street.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST

    How many non-Americans played Wolverines in...

    by DanteCubit

    ...the original "Red Dawn?" Patrick Swayze - born in Texas. C. Thomas Howell - born in California Charlie Sheen - born in New York Lea Thompson - born in Minnesota Darren Dalton - born in Wyoming Jennifer Grey - born in New York Brad Savage - born in Michigan Powers Boothe - born in Texas Doug Toby - born in California Harry Dean Stanton - born in Kentucky Even the two main villains were played by Americans. Ron O'Neal (Cuban leader in the film,) - born in New York William Smith (Russian Cmdr) - born in Missouri My, how the world has changed. I think I'm going to produce a film about the British Royal Family and cast every part with members of "The Jersey Shore." I'm thinking of Snooki for Catherine (Kate Middleton) the Duchess of Cambridge.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST

    But originally the invaders were Chinese....its

    by southafricanguy

    only after they finished making the film that it got changed to North Koreans......I guess someone realized that it was retarded to have a movie where China invades a country it almost owns.....or most of its debt would make no sense to invade a country that owes you a shit loa of money....why spend a lot more money on an expensiver invasion?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Are you serious? North Korea?

    by KinjoAlcoholicNinja

    North Korea is invading the United States? What crazy ass alternate universe is this turd supposed to be set in? If they wanted to spare the feelings of the Chinese, they should have scrapped the whole project and started over with the film taking place in Beijing where a Chinese schoolkid comes outside to find that Peru has invaded.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST

    but then it still does nt make sense.....the North

    by southafricanguy

    Koreans simply would never have the money, or capability to even remotely pull off an invasion of any country even remotely the size of the US....and where would they get all the food needed to feed such a large invasion force?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    and nevermind that their ideology, as batshit

    by southafricanguy

    crazy as it is, is all about "liberating" and "reuniting" the two koreas......not about invading another huge country very far away....

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST

    should be very funny when this plays here

    by southafricanguy

    in S.Korea......will seem like more of a other way Koreans could see it as they have to donate and ship so much food to NK just to stop most of the people from starving....the US being invaded by a country that cant even successfully launch a fucking satelite.....

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST

    But at least the people that still beleive Iraq was

    by southafricanguy

    so dangerous due to WMD will eat this up....

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    I had really high hopes for this.

    by leroyspoboys

    But North Korea doing a mass tac jump onto American soil? There is no fucking way. Should have stuck with China guys. And that CGI shot of the chutes vs the planes is way out of perspective. At that altitude, by the time the landed their parachutes would be the size of one of those shitty abandoned Detroit houses.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST

    geez...the battle would be over as soon as the

    by southafricanguy

    NK soldiers saw their first food court...

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST

    and they really went there? The father being

    by southafricanguy

    executed "vietnam war" style? Really guys? from a country that invaded other countries.........really? Is this film meant to be an anology for the Iraqis? the Afghans? The Vietnamese?......I am sure they will die laughing at the unintended irony of this film....

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST

    that is if they can get past being insulted by this

    by southafricanguy


  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST

    How many of you

    by Jon Serianni

    Laughing off the possibility of the original premise were actually older than 13 when this came out? It never ceases to amaze me how people put their current political beliefs into motives of people 30 years ago. Also, remember, the invasion in the first movie was not just one nation. And if you think the North Koreans wouldn't get allies to try and invasion? Think again. Also, how hard do you think it would be? The borders are practically open right now. Anyone can get in and will get a pat on the back from the government as they hop the fence or come out of the smuggling holds on the boats. You don't get enough from the trailer to judge the feasibility or the infeasibility of an invasion anyway. I don't need my remakes to be exact copies of the original. I am not close-minded enough to not be able to appreciate a movie that is different. I got a kind of civilian/Call of Duty vibe and I am willing to give it a shot. And there is nothing wrong with patriotism in film. I read a few of your comments about wanting to see America as the "bad guy" so it would be "true to life". You scare me. Hopefully you are not Americans or, if you are, you are planning to move soon.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST

    And the original, for its time, was pretty good.

    by leroyspoboys

    Milius has always been a bit cheesy, but he can do gritty and bloody pretty well.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST

    I Was In College When RD Premiered. Nobody Worried About Being Invaded.

    by Buzz Maverik

    Sure, we had our President telling us it was a possibility and our professors telling us it would be a good thing. I was lucky enough to have someone smuggle me draft after draft of the screenplay, from Kevin Reynolds' earlier draft (all shot directions) through a draft where Matt was replaced by a girlfriend of Jed's, to Milius' shooting script. In the 1980s, I felt safer and more free than I do now. I could openly dissent if I disagreed with a U.S. military action without having to pledge my love for the troops and no one would get pissed if I pointed out they volunteered for it and that my ass would be conscripted at a moments notice if need be. We actually got more hell from our hippie professors. I remember one guy who wanted to flunk me because I said it was good thing that the Navy shot down the Achille Lora terrorists. Red Dawn was well made fun with a great cast of people who were around my age, mostly written by a guy a little older than me and directed by an old guy who'd been my idol since before I knew he existed. Killer score too. This doesn't look so bad.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I Was Hoping For An Invasion By United Nation Forces

    by Buzz Maverik

    Black helicopters, foreigners trying to tell us what to do. I don't believe that crap, but it is very Milliusesque and would be a fun movie.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST

    fuck you harry_cox!

    by Nichole

    Hold on a second. Are you related know.....that guy from A L I E N ?

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 1:58 a.m. CST

    johnno... yes, we should get rid of christianity...

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

    and every other religion as well... religion is the reason we still depend on oil, we have no flying cars or colonies on the moon or mars and we keep oligarchs in charge of us all... this movie will do well because religious mouth breathers (in this case christians of one stripe or another) that fear foreigners and see guns as a symbol of their personal freedom will flock too it

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2 a.m. CST

    southafricanguy, bravo and right on

    by JimmyJoe RedSky

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:20 a.m. CST

    Fixing "Red Dawn".

    by Lord Haw Haw

    Okay, I've read through all the comments up to this point, and they've been entertaining and informative as always. The Tripp Vinson thing was embarrassing. It's PRECISELY that mentality that has most of us not feeling it on the "Red Dawn" remake. I talk a fair bit of shit, but I'm feeling charitable here, because I love a good invasion movie as much as the next guy. The trailer's been released. The die is cast. But the movie's not out until November, which seems like time enough for a quickie reshoot/insert. The EMP is the McGuffin. Too late to change that, too imbedded into the, uh, plot. However, doesn't it stand to reason that the North Koreans would be EXTREMELY protective of such a device? After all, the success of their invasion rests entirely upon it, and that has the audience diving headlong into another tired "mothership" scenario. How to avoid this? Decoys and/or redundancy. Simple but highly effective military strategy, completely logical. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. This leads us to the following ending: After a massive struggle, the heroes find and disable the EMP, only to find that it is a decoy and bait (or simply one of multiple EMPs) for any possible guerrilla/insurgent strike. Mission failure. Everyone dies. No feel-good epilogue. Just my opinion, but I think that's one possible way you can add some real emotional punch to what looks to be a bad movie. If you're a cynical bastard, this can also send an underlying message about the failures of this generation. If you're someone like me in that you thought killing off Newt and Hicks was ballsy, this would be a great ending. Unfortunately, the general American moviegoing public is not someone like me. royston lodge had the thought of setting the movie in South Korea and the cast portraying American tourists. This is a great idea and much more plausible than an invasion of the continental US. I'd like to tweak that a little bit: make the kids sons and daughters of US servicemen. We have a substantial military presence in South Korea, so this is likewise plausible. I'm picturing a scenario in which the North Koreans are overrunning US/ROK forces and its all hands on deck, much like the Nazis did with the Hitler Youth and Volkssturm at the end of WWII. While we're at it, why don't we take a look at the other end of the age scale? Why does it always have to be about young kids overcoming the odds? I would think it would be a frightening thing to be elderly in the midst of a war and not ready to resign yourself to your fate.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:24 a.m. CST

    I didn't think it would work but this looks fucking sweet

    by chien_sale

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST

    could be fun

    by BD Mahony

    but not sold on it being all that good

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    For those that complain about what's realistic...

    by HellKing

    The only country in the world that could mount an invasion of another country on the other side of the world ever in history is the United States of America. If any of you know military hardware, those prop plane transports seen invading couldn't reach the US from China or North Korea. The guy that keeps bringing up how it would've better if it were set in South Korea... you're Korean, aren't you?

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 4:35 a.m. CST


    by PTSDPete

    is a waste of oxygen.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Hey ! I have an idea for a Red Dawn remake...

    by PTSDPete

    When a socialist Democrat gets elected as president of the United States, the God fearing patriots of Colorado would come together, and decide to leave the country. First in tens, then in hundreds, then in droves. Key political, cultural, and religious figures would also come in and join them. </p>‘The Pack’ as they call themselves, will set up a ' Jonestown '-esque commune in a nearby Carribean island. Led by the family owners of their hometown football team Wolverines’, they will be tested by natures both external as well as their own. But this dominionist rouge enclave will be shepherded well, first by a bespectacled lady prophet-queen, then by U.S. industry and military figures who provide them with food and resource. Arab nations would sell them nuclear arms. Agents would sneak back into the homeland, setting up congregations and sleeper cells throughout the Midwest, to receive them when they arrive. </p> </p> And when the moment strikes, their militia nation will launch a full-scale attack : bombing cities, destroying books, burning ‘sinful’ women at the stake, punishing several others – to ' retake ' their country, restore their supremacy, and maintain their freedom once and for all, which would be capped off with a nuclear assault. Praise be to God. </p> </p>Skies will run red. </p> </p>Then everybody dies. </p>

  • You know, after all the mega corporations outsource American jobs overseas, all the FEMA camps have been built FOR Americans, our U.S. soldiers are spread out in other countries leaving our borders open, Obama signs the NDAA, the next puppet president gets elected (Dem, or Republican, take your pick) etc. Wow! Sounds just like real life!

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 7:48 a.m. CST


    by Darth Busey

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Yup. Attack and occupy the US to get at our

    by David Duchovny

    Coal? This place has no resources to pay for an occupation. None. Why do you think America trades with everyone including places with human rights abuses like China and the entire fucking population shops at places like Walmart. The only reason to attack us would be to destroy our military and our population--to wipe us off the earth. We piss people off with our arrogance and yeah Shrub was right--they hate us for our freedom. Btw, This lead actor looks bland as fuck--and the movie looks horrible.

  • whole reason I came out of the closet as Sarah Silverman was to a make a point about voting. We shouldn't vote. Nobody in the country should do it. Then we see what the amazing hackable by any idiot, paperless diebold voting machines say. I bet they'd say the race was 50/50 again.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 8:27 a.m. CST

    North Korea?

    by SED

    North Korea ain't invading shit. They should try invading a bakery or two

  • So if you buy a ticket to this movie, he will use that money to do lots of bad things, like rape lots of people. Here his photo:<p>

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST

    A final word on the plausibility of the original

    by Chewbacca_Khan

    First, what Nordling says is that at the time the movie "felt like a distinct possibility," which I think is indisputable on the face of it. Was it a real, logistical possibility? No, but it certainly touched upon the fears of a generation that most of the talkbackers here don't belong to. Note, if you are 32 now, that means you were 4 or 5 when the movie came out and only 10 or 11 when the Cold War ended. I submit that it is impossible for anyone that age or younger to separate the quick end to Cold War (which happened at an age when they were likely only just starting to pay attention to politics and news) from its historic atmosphere. If your first memories of the Cold War are the collapse of the Soviet bloc, it is difficult to imagine they were ever a real threat. Second, the plot of the original clearly states that the invasion didn't start with paratroopers but with sapper squadrons sneaking in over the border, months in advance followed by an invasion through Alaska and Mexico. Third, the powers-that-be in both Europe and America considered invasion plausible enough to station tens of thousands of troops to stop it. In Alaska, it wasn't just planes and early warning stations, there were troops there to fight an invasion from across the Bering Strait, which is where the movie says the Soviets come from. Fourth, if you don't think that a successful attack on American infrastructure initiated by dozens, or hundreds of "sleeper cells" could be considered a distinct possibility, that it would cause chaos and fear, that it might even, in the hours immediately afterward, leave people open to all sorts of wild possibilities they never before considered even remotely possible, then I refer you to the attacks of 9/11 and the complete astonishment, speculation, and uncertainty that followed. Was a full on invasion ever likely? Definitely not, especially in hindsight. Was it ridiculous to think at the time, given the global environment and the enmity between powers? No, not at all. The original felt like a distinct possibility not because of the mechanics of an invasion but because of the mechanics of fear.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Agree with chewbacca_khan, also the "new weapon"

    by Alientoast

    Like chewbacca_khan, the original's impact because of how it targeted emotions vs. reason. You know, kind of like how Fox News works. As for the "new weapon", it is actually an old weapon, soon to be used in Abram's 'Revolution' TV show. This terrifying weapon, code named "Improbability Field Bullshit Bomb", literally creates a bubble around the entire planet which alters the laws of physics and probability in order to create a situation that is ideal for the user's intended goals. While previously only whispered about in back alleys and Syfy Saturday movies, this weapon has been deployed in movies for decades and only now is it becoming public knowledge. For instance, this bomb was used to drill the tunnel through the Earth in the Total Recall remake most recently.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Grrr need edit feature

    by Alientoast

    the original's impact because" = the original's impact worked because

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    chewbacca_khan - well said.

    by Mosquito March

    I grew up in Arlington, VA, in the '70s and '80s, and was terrified by the Soviets, the arms race, and the fact that I lived right across the river from the biggest Target in the world - Washington, D.C. It was the era of TESTAMENT, THREADS and THE DAY AFTER. It was the era of news footage of troops, tanks, and missile launchers marching on May Day. Even fucking Sting got in on the fear-mongering with that song "Russians". And then in junior high school, there was this old '60s-era klaxon next to the soccer field that somebody forgot to turn off, which would randomly sound every few months while I was sitting in class. We were also under a flight path for military aircraft, and one time the air raid siren just happened to go off when a formation of bombers flew overhead. Then RED DAWN came a long and presented a fantasy that played on that fear, but also made me feel like there was something I could do in an invasion scenario. I looked up to the Wolverines, I wanted to be that strong in a time and place where I felt utterly helpless, to bravely fight back against certain death. However unlikely it may have been in reality, the Cold War laid solid groundwork for RED DAWN.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Wow, this does look bad.

    by Yelsaeb

    That is all.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Sigh. Another big dumb Hollywood "Fuck You" to the audience.

    by Emperor

    And the problem is, there actually is a mongoloid audience ready to pay to see this shit. And that's why there's a trailer for it. Enjoy your pig vomit, assholes. I hope you all choke.

  • Our forefathers are rolling in their graves right now because the majority of us Americans are not questioning authority enough. We've become sissies. Our forefathers were fighting the very reasons that we should be fighting today -- and that is tyranny aka NATO and the U.S. government. Ben Franklin said 'They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.' This is exactly what Americans are doing today. Not all Americans are oblivious to the U.S. government, many are awake, but we more to see the truth. Here we are handing over our rights to the TSA at airports and checkpoints on U.S. highways all because of a boogeyman that the U.S. government created. For all of those who said 9/11 conspiracies have been debunked, show me. Then what happened to Building 7? It came down on its own. Look at all the false flags in history done by our own government. For starters, I'll just name some of the big ones. You can look them up yourselves -- Vietnam Tonkin incident, Grenada invasion, Panama invasion, First Gulf war. Like Utlratron siad, America is already done through a silent takeover.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    They created the PG-13 rating because of Temple of Doom


    After it's release. It was rated PG

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST


    by Ronnie__Dobbs

    You had me at Connor Cruise. Or C(squared) as he is known on the D.J. scene.

  • Unfortunately Americans DO have to start thinking about combat with the chinese..and in order for that to happen hollywood HAS to start demosntrating it's allegiences...BUT THEY ARE SELLING YOUR INVESTMENTS OUT TO THE chinese...The chinese are ignoring many US policies and warningas that are meant as diversions to conflict..They are expanding imperialistically and have no apologies for their economic and technological underpinings of the American infrastructure. Where are the American blacks, Latinos and Asians in this picture? That is problematic...How does the film treat them in the context of subversion..which is also an invasive strategy...

  • "Red Dawn isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television - Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian - Red Dawn probably ain’t for you. But! If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cars that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – then we have something special coming your way. WOLVERINES!" This will be the most realistic, badass movie of the year! A great escape from Liberal Hollywood's constant make-believe action films involving AMERICA invading a country and its military killing innocent civilians just to "protect" their own. Finally, something for the politically and socially aware.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    North Korea, really, REALLY?

    by btc909

  • Here you go: 1 Jan - First new United States cruise missiles deployed to United Kingdom. 24 Jan - President Reagan urges better United States/Soviet Union relations. 1 Feb - Andropov dies. 13 Feb - Konstantin Cherenko takes over as general secretary of the Soviet Communist party. 25 Feb - New Zealand prohibits visits by US warships carrying nuclear weapons. 26 Feb - United Sates troops leave Lebanon. 31 Mar - The Avro Vulcan leaves RAF service with the disbandment of No. 50 Squadron at Waddington, Lincolnshire. Apr - Michael Bettany, a MI5 officer, is sentenced to 23 years for espionage. 11 Apr - Chernenko named President of Soviet Union. 2 May - Andrei Sakharov begins hunger strike. 7 May - Soviets boycott Los Angeles Olympic Games. 29 Jun - Soviets offer talks with United States over nuclear weapons in space. Jul - No major Cold War developments this month. 1 Aug - United Kingdom announces its plan to give up Hong Kong in 1997. (Month when RED DAWN was released) 3 Sep - 35,000 British troops are air-transported to West Germany for the Lionheart and Cold Fire exercises. This is the largest deployment of British troops since the Second World War. 20 Oct - Chinese Communist party approves Deng's liberalization programme. 31 Oct - Indian Prime Minister Gandhi assassinated; succeeded by her son Rajiv Nov - No major Cold War developments this month. Dec - No major Cold War developments this month. The men, women, and children who lived during this turbulent time deserved such a film as RED DAWN to guide them through the dark night into the bright tomorrow. God Bless you all.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    tophat...what year were you born?

    by DoctorWho?

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    >>>by American’s kicking some Commie ass<<<

    by jack

    with the exception that we were scared that the Chinese might be offended so we replaced them with N. Koreans. We need those commie tickets. gotta love a capitalist American movie producer.

  • It would be much more interesting to see how the world from the original has changed after almost 30 years. The whole "must capture weapon/device" thing is lame. That's like a video game plot. This looks much more like propaganda than the original. I'm glad someone pointed out that the original doesn't really contain any patriotic speeches, and overall is very bleak.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Temple of Doom was NOT first PG-13 movie.

    by Bill Clay

    Temple of Doom was PG, but received so many complaints after it's release about it's violence that the MPAA created a new category between PG and R. The first movie released with the new PG-13 rating was.....Red Dawn!

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    for a jerkface...

    by WeylandYutani

    that is a pretty great idea! It would have been interesting to see an alternate timeline based on the events depicted in the 1984 Red Dawn.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5 p.m. CST

    okay lets be reasonable then: that wasn't a BAD trailer.

    by Arcadian

    it hit all the important parts of the original movie. while I will always enjoy the original, this movie doesn't look BAD. Im still on the fence, but previously, I was on the 'oh hell no' side of it. Show me more, studio.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:07 p.m. CST

    OK codename, I'll bite...

    by WeylandYutani

    I assume you are trolling and having a bit of fun. If not, and based on your list, you might want to get a better understanding of what "false flag" or black flag operations are. The Gulf of Tonkin incident, the invasion Grenada, the invasion of Panama and the First Gulf War are not examples of false flag scenarios. Some of those are examples of distorted, manipulated or poor intelligence analysis. However, false flag operations are a very different creature. As for your 9/11 claims, they have been disproved, repeatedly, by many credible sources in government, academia and within journalistic circles. As someone who has worked in TV news for over a decade, just about every journalist or producer would love to crack open a 9/11-Watergate-type conspiracy and it has never happened. Not once. In 11 years. Even if the generally accepted facts of said event were to be proven inaccurate (and they have not, after repeated attempts) that does not necessarily mean that it was an inside job by the US government. What you are asserting requires a HUGE leap in logic without any evidence or ability to back up your claims. Conspiracy theories fall apart because their underlying 'facts' do not hold up to scrutiny or the veracity required by an academic journal, encyclopedia or journalism, which all necessitate multiple points of verification.

  • You people have no sense of reality if you think something like that couldn't happen! I mean, seriously... look at Bane! He took over Gotham City with only a muffled Sean Connery Jr. voice and a bunch of construction workers. Impossible, my ass!

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST

    The Cold War Was Real

    by wrath 4771

    At the time I lived in Marquette, Michigan, which was near K.I. Sawyer (SAC) Air Force base. B-52 bombers and KC-135 tankers flew over every half hour like clock work. Going out to play soccer verse the kids on the base, we had to pass through three different check points to enter the base. The field was near the air strip and it was impossible to hear anything because of the planes on alert (they always had the engines running). We were always afraid of a nuclear war because we knew K.I would be one of the first places targeted (it was the northern most SAC base in North America). Nuclear war or invasion were always on the minds of anyone who lived near a military facility. An invasion may have seemed inplausible, but you have to remember the Soviet Bloc out numbered us roughly 9 to 1, and before Desert Storm, we had no idea about how technologically superior our forces were. Red Dawn is a great movie and did a fine job illustrating the fear and paranoia of the Cold War.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    NK couldnt invade the US

    by War1980

    Population of North Korea - 25 million A country with the population of Texas and that doesnt even have a working ICBM is not invading a first world nation on the other side of the world. Its a shitty premise that isnt just implausibe, its impossible.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    North Korea's navy

    by War1980 a fucking joke. The US coast Guard operates on a larger scale.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST

    codename do you not know how to use google?

    by War1980 EVERY SINGLE conspiracy theory regarding "OMG INSIDE JERB" has been utterly debunked and refuted by EVERY fucking specialist and professional that has done so much as heard of 9/11. Idiots like you believe the moon landing was faked even after the placement of the reflectors.

  • Saw the trailer, pathetic, honestly its not even worth watching for the gun fights. Do yourselves a favor kids, keep playing that shitty game you got for christmas, there is nothing to see here but rotten halfassed remake.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 8 p.m. CST

    weylandyutani and war1980

    by CodeName

    @weylandyutani How are those false flag operations I mentioned NOT false flags? @war1980 Are you happy that they only spent maybe $15 million dollars on the 9/11 investigation versus the $30 million dollars they spent on the Monica Lewinsky scandal? Numbers here -- I'm not the only one who thinks this. Over a thousand architects and engineers feel the same way. They might know something better about metal structures better than Popular Science.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST

    What a piece of shit.

    by Cap'n Jack

    There were no marines in the original, they're supposed to be HS kids...and what's this garbage about a super weapon? This has none of the gravitas of the original. It's typical action BS.

  • Fucking studio cokeheads are now so fucked in the head they're actually financing movies WITHOUT A PREMISE. Holy shit.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST

    All the hipsters pussies hate Patriotism

    by chien_sale

    You guys don't have balls and I bet you're all pussy whiped

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST

    this has nothing to do with patriotism

    by dioxholsters_scion

    its bad filmmaking

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST

    the first movie was absurd...this looks terrible

    by walt

    nothing works but they are all clean...and are fighting in designer jeans? this movie is being released cuz the actors finally have star power and why arent you cgi mavens bitching about how bad the fx looks

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST

    If they don't piss in a radiator...

    by clarntoon

    It ain't Red Dawn!

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 12:51 a.m. CST

    The original was inspired by BATTLE OF ALGIERS

    by tensaip

    It was a tangential story idea that Milius became interested in after writing Apocalypse Now. More precisely, he modeled RED DAWN after THE BATTLE OF ALGIERS but moved the action outdoors because he wanted it to resemble the American experience in Vietnam. He reversed the roles so that Americans had to operate as Viet Cong and the Soviet Bloc acted as SEATO.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 3:13 a.m. CST

    @codename: The next time you see your high school history teacher...

    by leroyspoboys should punch them in the face. If you really believe that the Gulf of Tonkin, the attacks on 9/11, the Operation Just Cause and Operation Urgent fury were 'false flag operations' should put the bong down and do some research. This first two were just major fuck ups because we were woefully unprepared and should have been able to stop them in their tracks....and the last two were to protect US citizens and US/Western interests. That's part of what our Military is there for in the first place.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by SunTzu77

    China wouldn't invade us - they already own our debt - unless they needed the land space for their population. Also, the kids definitely have to be from Conservative families.... Liberals definitely wouldn't fire rifles and fight. They would chant and hold hands in the street.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Or, Liberals might spray paint a couple of tanks - that's it.

    by SunTzu77

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST

    DocPaz I think you misunderstood me

    by D.Vader

    I've been saying that I fully expect the movie to open with a prologue explaining the current geopolitical state of the world that would allow such an invasion to occur, just as the original did. I'm sure they could adequately explain how china became our enemies. I was saying it doesn't make sense to have china be the invaders not bc they couldn't explain it properly, but bc they're not our enemies today. When the original was made, regardless of how plausible or believable it was, there WAS a fear of Russian communism taking over. They *were* our enemies through and through. Today, we're more like friendly adversaries with China. To single them out for the movie's villain was just stupid to begin with. Communism isn't a threat to us like it was back then. They needed a red scare simply for the sake of making the remake. Without it, there can be no Red Dawn (unless you go the ridiculous alien route). It's like high school. USA and Russia are those two kids that hate each other and never talk to one another. USA would totally make a slam book of Russia. But China is friends with both, leaning toward Russia mostly back in the day. Today Russia has changed, but so has USA and so has China. China and USA get along a lot better now than they used to, and china has loaned USA money in the past when USA needed it. Does it make sense for USA to go behind china's back and start talking shit about them to everyone else? To write a story in which china is a bunch of murderous dogs? Come on, like I said, that was dumb to begin with. And it's a monumentally stupid business decision too, not bc we owe china money, but bc the studios rely on their box office receipts in this world market. You don't slam a country and make them murderous villains and expect them to come out in droves to see it. So I don't care what anyone else says about the studio being cowardly and backing down in the face of a country that owes us money. That's not the case at all. China should never have been made the villain in this respect. Remakes are made to make money; they're not passion projects except in a few cases. And to make money, this simply should never have used China as a replacement for the USSR simply bc they needed a red menace. What would have worked better in my opinion would be to use a real threat, a real villain from th Axis of Evil (which they are using with Nk, like it or not), and have Islamic terrorism be the new invaders. Have some foreign country like Iran go through a revolution called the Red Revolution (maybe symbolic of all the blood that was shed) that has no ties to communism. The invaders don't need that political ideology for this flm to work. We just need invaders on American soil forcing us to act as insurgents. And Islamic terrorists *definitely* want to destroy and change our way of life. I seriously doubt the Chinese feel the same way.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    The invaders here are actually North Korea

    by dioxholsters_scion

    America's no.1 feared enemy of course.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    I'm as liberal as they come, and I loved the first Red Dawn...

    by Cap'n Jack

    Although I do realize it was a bunch of Reagan "fear the commies" bullshit. It was almost as right slanted as St Elmo's Fire.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    They should instead make Red Alert 2 into a movie.

    by jack

    with Yuri's Revenge as it's sequel. -Is it done, Yuri? -No comrade premier, it has only begun. and have Frank Klepacki make the soundtrack too.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    they got the BIRDEMIC guy to do the effects?

    by Mysterious_Volvo

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You're almost making it sound like the studio suddenly had an epiphany and decided to change the villains. They didn't. They were pressured. Everybody knows this. And it's not the first time China has done shit like this. Whether we're on semi-friendly terms with China or not, the fact remains that the People's Republic is one of the worst countries in the world when it comes to human rights abuses. They're also still in the grip of the communist party which believes in its eventual and inevitable victory over all other ideologies on the planet. Who do you think China practices war games against these days? Russia? No, it's India and the United States. In 20 to 40 years time (if their economic upswing continues), when they have the military capabilities that America has today, do you think they won't ratchet up the geopolitical pressure on America and the rest of the West? The U.S. government and big business may find it advantageous to suck Beijing's dick for the moment, but most people know what China is all about. MGM caved in to appease a market, and no amount of spin is going to alleviate the greed and spinelessness of that act.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I like the idea of

    by thebastard

    Jeffrey Dean Morgan taking over the role that Powers Boothe originally played. Chris Hemsworth is an interesting casting choice but I don't know the rest of these mother fuckers. I wonder how this will turn out, the trailer was kind of shit.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Red Dawn is a great movie

    by evergreen

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Only if you're a fucking retard

    by evergreen

  • i am sure the Guantanamo Bay prisoners will agree with you.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I promise you there will be a war between US and china

    by dioxholsters_scion

    It will be in a time US makes its last stand as a superpower before getting defeated and falling into dark ages or merely relegated to being just another first world country. I'm on US's side by the way, fuck the chinese, but what america is doing now is self-dilapidating

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    dioxholsters_scion you are correct

    by jack

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    dioxholsters...if/when America *falls into dark ages*...

    by DoctorWho?

    ...the WORLD will fall into dark ages.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    codename, leroyspoboys did a good job outlining...

    by WeylandYutani

    The difference between regular military operations or a government's inability to react to an attack vs an operation that was carried out under false colours with the intent to deceive. To take an example from your list, Operation Urgent Fury was clearly a US operation. No doubt, that American intelligence services were involved before and after the actual landing of US troops in order to: arm those who did not support the People's Revolutionary Army or Hudson Austin, identify key targets for the invasion and set up a post-invasion government, but that is not a "false flag" operation. BTW, it was clear that the People's Revolutionary Government and later the Revolutionary Armed Forces was soliciting help from both Cuba and the USSR – a situation that was considered intolerable by the White House since the overthrow of the UK and US backed Grenada United Labour Party. In the end, the US invaded to extract US citizens and because while Eastern Europe and the Asian subcontinent were considered within the sphere of influence of the USSR, while North and Central America and Western Europe was considered to be the USs sphere of influence. Cuba has been thorn in the side of the US for decades and the Reagan Administration was neck deep clearing out what it deemed to be dangerous communist footholds in Central America and the Caribbean by the early 1980s. Also, the links you posted are of no value because they are conspiracy sites. While they ask questions, which is a good thing, they draw conclusions that cannot be fact checked, unlike academic writing and journalism, which I mentioned in a previous post. If I ever walked into an editorial meeting using those sites as verifiable sources, unless I was doing a story on conspiracy sites, I would likely get fired on the spot or get pulled into the Managing Editor's office to get shouted at in the very least. Leroyspoboys is correct; you should punch your history teacher in the nose for not showing you how to discern between credible sources and those that have opinions but no facts.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Let me get this straight, just for the record. You're seriously comparing the maltreatment of a few hundred prisoners in G-Bay with the systematic and extensive oppression leveled against the entire population of China by its own government. Is that about right?

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST


    by jack

    The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. Fyodor Dostoyevsky

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    OK, judenw...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...let's do it that way. Are you in all seriousness comparing how prisoners are treated in American prisons to the way they're treated in Chinese prisons? As well as the reasons they're locked up?

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST

    you tell me.

    by jack

    are the prisoners in american prisons treated better than the prisoners in China? let's ask Dominique Strauss-Kahn, he knows first hand about american hospitality.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    Let me guess. You're a college student, heady with the notion that relativism can be applied in all matters thus freeing you from the responsibility of having to take a stand on anything but the most comfortable of notions. After all, if everyone is just as bad, why bother about anything? Or maybe you're just an ignorant cunt.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    You didnt answer my question

    by jack

    i repeat: how better is USA treating the prisoners than the Chinese? speaking of executions, USA ranks as the 5th country with 43 executions in 2011. Do you know which are the other countries in the top 5 of countries with the most executions? Iraq, Iran, China and Saudi Arabia. USA is the only democratic, civilized country in that top 5. i rest my case.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    democratic,civilized and free.

    by jack

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    *China is believed to have put to death thousands of people in 2010, the human rights group Amnesty International said Monday. The estimate dwarfs the number of recorded executions in other countries, which the group says dropped from 714 in 2009 to at least 527 last year.* As for the answer to your question, just glance through the links I provided and then provide a few links which claim the same type of treatment and on that scale occurring in the United States. You know that obfuscation bullshit you've recently discovered that you think makes you seem smart and morally superior? It's not going to work with me.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    once more for emphasis

    by DocPazuzu

    USA at number 5 with 43 executions. China at number 1 executes THOUSANDS. Oh and before you try to relativize your way out of that particular fact, read up on what people are executed FOR in the two countries. Asshat.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Trailers ALWAYS Lie

    by 3lemenope

    It would seem from most of the above comments, especially the ones who purport to KNOW exactly how this film will fail--It's got a MacGuffin! There's no no-win scenario! The North Koreans are obvious going to have no personality or humanity! The high schoolers are too pretty! (wtf?), and so forth--have completely forgotten this iron rule of trailers. It may full well end up being trash, but it is awfully difficult to take predictions seriously when they follow from the two minute highly edited first look that a trailer gives you.

  • We dont know what will happen over there. US wont be fighting china for the way it treats its own citizens, so its besides the point. Fact is, had china not been such a powerhouse lately we wouldnt even be talking about it, that is to say, the perceived threat here comes from its unrelenting economic power not its cultural one, that is the impetus for its encroaching hegemony over the world. China's indifference to civil rights causes, adaptable nature, inculpable and without an onus to bear; is more suitable as a 21st century superpower than america can afford to be.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST

    docpazuzu really now?

    by jack

    your argument is that you are better than the Chinese government because you execute a lot less people than them? is this all about scale? i am a good person because i have only killed 5 people, but you are a bad person because you have killed 50 people? that's what you are telling me right now?

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Codename is right so do your research before attacking. The

    by UltraTron

    gulf of Tonkin was faked according to this country called America which admitted that it was. So there ya go fellas. Enjoy. The world you live in now is a paradise in comparison to actually being drafted out of bed and forced to die in a rice patty to fill fatboy's pocket. Oh and yeah. They released this information on the news and nobody dropped everything they were doing and picked up pitchforks. So enjoy the mayor's bullitt proof hurricane proof floor facing the towers that was installed two weeks prior and consider it coincidence and live in peace.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Red Dawn is perhaps the most relevant movie idea happening now.

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST


    by Emperor

    Regarding your question: No, I will not be paying money to see pretty much any Hollywood movie for the rest of this year. Downloading them and watching them when I am bored, is a whole different ball game altogether. And if that means that Hollywood is one tiny step closer to bankruptcy, I am very humbled in my success at playing my small part of bringing down that piece of shit industry permanently.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST

    Because Dr. Zaius is in it with some machine gun guys.

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    There were possibly two Gulf of Tonkin incidents... One on Aug 2 and another allegedly on Aug 4 1964. In 1995 representatives of Vietnam did divulge that they were responsible for the Aug 2 attack on US naval forces and that three North Vietnamese torpedo boats were damaged, four NV sailors were killed and six were wounded in the Aug 2 engagement. However, they denied attacking a second time on Aug 4. Even at the time, the US Navy, DoD and the White House admitted that the events on Aug 4 were not correctly verified and it was unclear what the navy was shooting at, if anything. In hindsight, it was likely that they were retaliating against nothing on the second night, but were overreacting, in the dark and in poor visibility, when tensions were still high and when the US naval ships were still on alert. Unfortunately, policy makers in DC and the Johnson Administration were not presented with the information "in such a manner as to preclude responsible decision makers in the Johnson administration from having the complete and objective narrative of events." – Skunks, Bogies, Silent Hounds, and the Flying Fish: The Gulf of Tonkin Mystery, 2–4 August 1964, Cryptologic Quarterly, Winter 2000/Spring 2001 Edition, Vol. 19, No. 4 / Vol. 20, No. 1 The fact that US policy makers did not have a clear picture of the events in early August and that the White House was determined to make public statements and shaped American foreign policy in Indochina over the next decade and a half with improperly analyzed information does not make it a "false flag" incident as Codename claims. It is a result of poor HUMINT analysis and poor policy decisions based on said information. It is probable that when it was discovered that the USS Turner Joy and the USS Maddox engaged nothing on the night of second ‘attack,’ information was fabricated by naval staff who were on site to save face. Regardless, my point still stands: Codename does not understand what a black flag operation is and his 'sources' in no way further his argument. Gulf of Tonkin incidents were not false flag operations, but they were examples of poor intelligence analysis that lead to poor defense policy… a reality that the Bush 43 Administration should have taken note of when formulating their middle east policy post-9/11. I'd suggest you do your research before you attack Ultratron.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Look guys I crunch numbers. The numbers never fail to add up.

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Yur focked

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST


    by WeylandYutani

    There are many examples of poor intelligence analysis that have led to wars and other human "doucheness" as you claim. Once these things are put in motion, even if they are based on bad information, they are EXTREMLY hard to halt... They can even be based on purely fabricated information as you and Codenmame suggest. Look at how long it took to extract US forces from Iraq after the initial combat phase wrapped. We see the same phenomenon in the stock markets. Poor information is taken as 'fact' and It is occasionally elevated to human wisdom, only for the bottom to fall out months or even years later. Codename's claims do not coincide with verifiable information relating to the historical events that he listed. He may believe a certain theory as to what happened to satisfy his own curiosity, but he chooses to do it by neglecting to include known and verifiable information on the subject. There is a difference between what Codename is claiming and how facts/data are gathered in journalism, that's all I'm saying.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Bush was gonna invade iraq anyway

    by dioxholsters_scion

    his daddy couldnt let it go

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST

    no son of mine will become president and not invade iraq!

    by dioxholsters_scion

  • mainly because both of us had nukes. The Soviet Union was already collapsing, and the Soviet Union was right in the middle of a failure of a war with Afghanistan. Back in the 80's the far right hyped up the waning cold war like it was the 50's or 60's. I liked the movie Red Dawn, but the scenario in that movie was never a possibility back in the 80's, or after both countries had nuclear arsenals.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    The premise was stupid the first time, it's stupid this time.

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Retarded entertainment. Nothing more than that.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    What the fuck does reality have to do with movies?

    by Ryan B

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Team Loki.

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    That's very funny, judenw.

    by DocPazuzu

    Here's a little tip for you. In a debate or argument, you can't trot things out like *America is number 5 on the execution top ten list* and then suddenly do an about-face and whine about how your opponent is making it an issue of numbers. I used the numbers to counter YOUR numbers argument. The real issue at hand here is how people in the USA and China are treated 1) in society in general 2) in their prisons Most interesting in this regard is what people are jailed FOR and executed FOR in both countries. For the record, I oppose the death penalty. Now show that you have the courage of your convictions and say what's really on your mind -- that the United States is as appalling a society as China is. Go on, show some balls for once instead of hiding behind literary quotes and counter-questions. But then again, you're the spineless relativist here.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST


    by big_dicks_cum_from_small_beginnings

    The chances of a North Korean invasion of US soil are nil. What they SHOULD be doing is making a movie about the inevitable Islamic uprising in America.

  • But who would want to invade a country nowadays? Resources? lol thats not much of a motivation. To supress and subdue? That can easily be done politically, and all it takes is a nuke or the threat of it to stop a calamity. China and USA have only one true enemy, and that is itself. Both could erupt in civil wars given the right circumstances. Only factor that could make invasion possible is if americans put on a welcome mat for China to take over, a la china saving an apocalyptic america from aliens or muslims, no correlation of course. Anyway, two weak defenses being mexico and canada, if you can take either than you might get a chance to at least exert your influence. Seeing how in 2050 the majority of americans will be latin and that the fastest growing religion in the world is islam, then one can imagine some disaffection or tensions coming from these groups and mexico will have more political influence over US inevitably. Wherever mexico goes, so will US, so if russians, chinese want power, go for mexico.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST

    America could be viewed by future historians as a wonderful experiment

    by dioxholsters_scion

    that didnt last long, but set a precedent that heralded a kind of freedom for the world to forever use as model. The future doesnt have to be bleak without America, certainly not the worst case scenario, the worst case scenario would be for america to turn deviant and perverse its own concept of freedom, the idealism set forth by the founding father, and drag down the whole world along with it.

  • Go figure.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Bravo docpaz.

    by DoctorWho?

    For providing a good ass-whooping to read whist I drink my morning tea :)

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    You all have it wrong about Temple of Doom

    by jtp8000

    Temple of Doom was rated PG. Upon viewing there was an outcry that the rating for the movie was not an R but PG was not enough. That's when PG-13 was created

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Seems COOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by piltorp75

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    And made by JASON VOORHEES can´t go wrong then!

    by piltorp75

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    You're welcome!

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Chris Hemsworth's big MODOK head...

    by Bill C.

    ...and Josh from 'Drake and Josh' in the same movie. I've GOT to see this.

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    So is this the remake where they discover

    by Teddy Artery

    that the Commies have all moved into the White House?

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST

    How did Bane eat?

    by michael glasner

    Do any of you wonder how bane could eat? This short film did : I hope you enjoy it.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST

    One thing I loved about the original...

    by Phimseto

    ...was how great the villains were. You had Vladek Shybal as the mousy, in over his head Russian in charge of the occupation, the great Ron O'Neil as the Cuban revolutionary who kind of digs the Wolverines' anti-establishment ways, and then William Smith as the trouble-shooter they bring in to deal with the problem. Fun stuff!

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Wolverines?!? Where's the Yellow and Blue Spandex?

    by Stalkeye

  • How true, but this Remake is among falls into the premise of that other Videogame called Homefront. (Which sucked Ginger Nuts BTW.)

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST

    next on the remake list: Invasion USA!!

    by Stalkeye

    That's if there's any indication that this Film might be successful.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Shit, I forgot that Superfly was in the original.

    by Stalkeye

    And he was the only compassionate villian throughout the entire Film. too bad Ronny's Career didn't really take off before he passed . Decent Actor who had potentual.

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    never liked the original

    by taff

    Thought it was simplistic propaganda for people who are afraid of gun control.

  • how about "almost every other one" as an answer?

  • Aug. 14, 2012, 9:16 p.m. CST

    I actually find this movie inspiring. Just imagine WWIII

    by chien_sale

    Ever since we were kids we always imagined "what if we would really be invaded and we had to defend our homes and families and had to get up on our asses and actually do something?".