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The WALKING DEAD Season-Two Blu-ray Will Contain ‘Lost’ Footage From Frank Darabont’s Real Season-Two Opener!!
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The 90-minute second-season opener we saw on Oct. 16 of last year was apparently cobbled together from what was originally supposed to be two hour-long episodes.
Most of those 90 minutes were derived from what was originally the second episode of the season, directed by Ernest Dickerson.
But there was also some footage in those 90 minutes cannibalized from the original season premiere directed by Gwyneth Horder-Payton (“Fringe,” “Battlestar Galactica,” “Justified”) from a teleplay by Darabont. (A presumably unhappy Darabont substituted his pseudonym “Ardeth Bay” in the “written by” opening titles. Horder-Payton also directed the series’ popular third episode, “Tell It To The Frogs.”)
That original Darabont-scripted second-season premiere, which picked up immediately after the season-one destruction of Atlanta’s Center for Disease Control, saw Shane become separated from his fellow survivors due to car trouble. Once Shane is rescued, the group sought shelter at the Atlanta nursing facility introduced in the season’s fourth episode, “Vatos.”
From a Hollywood Reporter story posted almost exactly one year ago:
The show went into production on its second season in June. Sources say an early episode came in with footage that was not usable. The director had shot a successful first-season episode and was a mutually agreed-upon choice. Darabont was editing the episode in an effort to fix it but by then, an insider believes, AMC was looking for a pretext. “[AMC exec Joel Stillerman] thinks he is responsible for the success of shows on AMC, and not the creators,” this person says. This person blames Stillerman for the decision to fire Darabont. (Stillerman also has a strained relationship is Mad Men’s [mastermind Matthew] Weiner, who declines to speak to him.) Through an AMC rep, Stillerman declined comment.
The Blu-ray is also said to contain commentary from Glen Mazzara (showrunner of Starz' horrible TV version of "Crash"), who replaced Darabont as “Walking Dead” showrunner, explaining why original season premiere was largely scrapped.
Find Entertainment Weekly's story on the matter here.
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Thought the second season was better without Darabont at the helm anyway. A bit slow overall, but definitely more appealing character and story-wise.
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This show is frustrating an inconsistent at best, poorly written and amateurish at worst.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
If Frank was still there, I wonder how different S2 would have been. Spoilers*
by Topher4801
Dale would still be alive, for sure. The only reason he died was because the actor is buddies with Frank. Which really pisses me off. I know "no one is safe", but Dale and the RV left the show way to soon, all for petty reasons.
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agreed, but Dale wasn't coming across in the show the same way he was in the comics. I found him annoying at times. He was one of the stronger actors on the show though, unfortunately. You can put me in the camp of people who thought the show got better after Darabont's exit IF his influence ran all the way up to the mid point of season 2, as I heard rumored at one point. I think season 3 will ultimately show how good the show will really be. The trailer makes it look great I think, though it is only a trailer of course.
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Though Dale's death was dumb. Having his demise basically be a punchline after he spent a whole episode appealing to their collective humanity was not a fitting end. Lori's car crash was stupid too. But Sofia coming out of the barn, Shane sacrificing Otis and the scene in the saloon were all as good as anything Darabont did in season 1. Interested to see this lost footage but I doubt we'll ever get the real story of what went on.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
re "Thought the second season was better without Darabont at the helm anyway."
by Hercules
My understanding is Darabont oversaw the writing as showrunner until 2.7, the episode in which Sophia emerged from the barn. The six subsequent talk-about-our-feelings-on-the-farm episodes were the Darabont-free ones.
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It was the pre-2.7 episodes that were boring, I thought the show got much more dynamic and interesting after the barn reveal.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
I should have dumped this show as soon as I heard Frank was gone
by ATARI
Would have saved me a season of "meh". <br> <br> I won't be making the same mistake with S3. <br>
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That assumes there was a GOOD version of Crash that previously existed.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST
re "That assumes there was a GOOD version of Crash that previously existed."
by Hercules
After Starz fired Mazzara, "Crash" improved significantly under second-season showrunner Ira Steven Behr (of DS9 fame).
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Aug. 9, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
Can we get an alternate seas where Shane lives and Lori dies?
by martinprince
*crosses fingers*
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I don't need no stinking edit function
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Aug. 9, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
If anything the series improved after the Darabont scripts were over.
by KoolerThanJesus
Has Herc forgotten how boring most of the first half of S2 was. And really he wanted to go back to the nursing home? That was the lamest part of S1. Good riddance. Also, I thought the S2 opener was supposed to be the storming of Atlanta at the start of the zombie apocalypse and how the soldier wound up in the tank in the pilot?
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Aug. 9, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
Stillerman is a known Douchebag around Hollywood You fire the guy that has made one of the best movies in history and brought Zombies into the mainstream with well developed stories.
by Professor_Bedlam
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Let's sit around on the farm and act like idiots. Let's keep searching for a girl we KNOW is going to show up as a zombie. Let's act surprised when she does just that. Fuck it all.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST
Lori dies in the comic. She's shot dead and so is her unborn child.
by Queefer Sutherland
Let's hope that happens in the series, though I doubt it will.
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But AMC would never let them do it in the TV show. Kinda like how they watered down Carl killing Shane by making Shane a zombie before Carl shot him.
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They're probably not going to make it through season 3.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST
senor_spielbergo it's pretty obvious they won't follow the comic
by Queefer Sutherland
That's why what I said isn't a spoiler. And yes, they really diluted Carl killing Shane. The show has no balls.
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Thanks a lot, ass.
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The show has become more similar to its source material . . . y'know . . . the material that SPAWNED the television show and resonated with thousands of readers for YEARS and 100 issues. S1 was The Walking Dead in name alone. S2 was far more reminiscent of the comic and, I suspect, S3 will bring those similarities even closer. I was disappointed, however, that they **SPOILER ALERT** ** ** ** ** killed Dale. Seriously? One of the best scenes in the come was when the cannibals ate his leg and then he told them they were idiots because he'd been bitten and they were probably going to turn into zombies. Instead, he got a lame death.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
d.vader you shouldn't believe everything I write here.
by Queefer Sutherland
Anything, for that matter.
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Say goodbye to Rick's penis.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST
The first half of season 2, under Darabont's writing, SUCKED
by Humie Bubbie
It was the Mazzara half of the season that was some of the finest television. Yeah they watered down Shane's death, but we know a network would never let it happen like in the comic. Just like Lori and the baby will not likely get a bullet through them. What's with everyone here referring to her as an unborn child? Judith was around for like 10 issues.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:04 p.m. CST
Also, I'm all for gore but that's a pretty heinous box set
by Humie Bubbie
It's like those zombie babies they sell at Halloween. Creepy, tasteless shit.
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They kill Carl instead of Lori. The actor that plays Carl is going to age out too fast, similar to the Walt problem on Lost. Lori will stay alive, at least long enough to have a baby who they can cycle out with new baby "actors." I'd say by the end of the season, Carl is either dead or has disappeared somehow.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:33 p.m. CST
Darabont wanted to bring BACK the heart-of-gold gangbangers?
by TheyPeedOnYourFuckingRug
Shit, no wonder they fired him.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST
They go back to the nursing home and kill all the zombies there. How is that lame? More zombie kills=lame?? No. Watch the deleted scene. It's cool
by ndally
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST
As if this show wasn't bad enough on its own....
by TheyPeedOnYourFuckingRug
....it has to be made even worse by douchebags on the internet, impressed with themselves for having followed the comic book, who from the moment the series was first announced have felt it their duty to massively spoil the living shit out of comic and show alike (potentially years' worth of plot, in the case of the show) for everyone else. Glad I quit both.
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WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! WWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH! Change your diaper already.
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The "slow character moments" are what make the show great. The comic is all about those times, when things slow down and we see who these people are, what they are feeling, and where they are going. When the "good stuff" happens, it is heightened simply because we had those moments to get to know these people. Their fates matter in the course of the story.
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put the good stuff on yet another boxset and they ask why people download the shit.
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they make more money if they sue you.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST
Really guys? Can anyone REALLY say the 2nd half of Season 2 was better?
by Monroville
How was the 2nd half "less" boring than the 1st half when you had (1) no more real reason to still be at the farm and (2) there was more talking and stupid infighting and less zombie action? Forget about the actual character writing. I'll take the Darryl episode ANY day over that crap in the 2nd half. The thing is, I did not mind at all the 1st half. They were using it to develop characters, and the whole Sofia thing (much less Carl healing) justified them still at the barn. Once they had their firing squad and found Sophie, the following 2 episodes should have seen them leave (with the big zombie attack attracted to the sounds of the firing squad). Instead they drag it out just so they can have a finale. Meanwhile, characters act out of character just to create drama. All of the stupid elements of the 1st half were amplified. In the end, I lost all sympathy for these people (similar to the characters of the new BATTLESTAR GALACTICA) simply because characters either made stupid choices (which obviously get them killed) or the script requires something to happen just to fuck up the plans. Who cares about justification. In the end, I am pretty much done with this show. I have the 1st season and that will work for me.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST
you know thi talkback would have been 5 times as long a year ago.
by higgledyhiggles
I think it must have lost viewers in droves.?
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Aug. 10, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST
I watched the second season when AMC ran its marathon recently.
by Fawst
While the first half had some fun stuff, the second half was FAR better. Ricky's character progression was ugly and perfect. The saloon episode was one of those "holy shit" moments that made the season great. His attitude in the finale was justified, I thought. I had seen the first four episodes as they aired and they were sloooooooow. I think seeing the whole season in one shot made it far better than people give it credit for. At any rate, I loved S2 and think that it was better than most people say.
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They started filming right down the road from us last night and are continuing tonight. There was a statement released that there would be simulated gun fire. :)
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Hopefully, none of the dickheads on here will ruin the details of that particular issue but I just wanted to say that as someone who has read them all, THAT issue in particular was the hardest of the bunch to read. The images pretty much burned themselves in my brain. I wonder if that stuff will make it into the show, while a tiny part of me hopes that it doesn't.
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Did you guys miss the part where the zombies were munching on fresh people? I think what happened is now that we know that any death = you turn into a zombie, one of the old folks in the home died and reanimated, which ended up resulting in the deaths of everyone there.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 6:42 a.m. CST
If Stillerman is the one who gave a green light to Small Town Security then yeah, that guy is a piece of shit.
by Fries Against
I wish the fat old troll in that show would just die. Ugly retarded twat.
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They shouldnt have fired Darabont, I dont think the guy was neccesarily doing the best job but its clear his work was hampered by douchebag higher ups. First half of season 2 was crap and so was the second.
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I'm with John Carpenter on this particular subject.
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i've had my say over individual eps, no need for me to go over that shit again. Suffice to say, im not hater, i love the concept of the show, i've criticised certain things because i like watching the show and want it to get back to the glory that it once was. rather then become a successful program like heroes which turned into shit and got cancelled. I hope season 3 is a whole lot better. P.s. for lolz do a google picture search on "walking dead memes" all of them hilarious especially the ones that flag up the bullshit plot holes. ***********SPOILERS - FROM THE COMIC BELOW_ YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED********** i think they'll have to reserve the whole carl and lori thing. Like Walt in lost, the kid is growing, you can believe these survivors have been escaping for months when the kid has a growth spurt. reverse the deaths. it will have the same emotional impact. the comic 100th episode death. what a fucking waste man, the whole thing felt like a death for a money shot. the comic has lost ifts direction, ( even if they are two different beasts) it for me does not bode well for the show. season 3 stills http://goo.gl/sQC9J
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I''ve said this before, but even if the first half of the season followed the general direction that Darabont planned to take, I cannot imagine the same uninspired, repetitive, nonsensical shit that we got in the second season coming from him. The stuff on the farm might have still been boring, but it wouldn't have been lazy, which is my main complaint about the show under Mazzara. It's just lazy story telling. As far as the comics, I am not a reader and would look like to know about this major death in issue 100. It's not like AMC and/or Mazzarra is going to have the balls to do it justice anyway. So please, spoil me.
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sorry man can't tell you @spookymulder will think i'm a dickhead.
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Wait, does that mean I'm not supposed to believe what you just wrote either??? =)
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I understand both Berenthal and DeMunn were Darabont loyalists, but the love triange aspect of the show was getting increasingly implausible as the season wore on (with the collateral effect of making Lori's choices and dialogue increasingly awful and irrational). DeMunn, at least on this show, was something of a limited actor. He could sure pop his eyes--but that was about all his performance consisted of, even in season 1.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
I enjoyed season 2 because it reminded me of the time when I was young and I spent time on a farm recovering from a gunshot wound.
by Fries Against
When I got better we found homeless people living in the barn. Good times!
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tye_dye_mann, here's the spoiler (move along if you don't wanna know): Glenn gets his brains bashed in by the new bad guy. In a very graphic way.
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This clip shows good stuff - after the CDC was gone, the group went back to the Nursing Home for shelter and found that the Vatos and the old folks had all become zombies or z-food. That run for shelter would have made perfect sense, and the destruction of the Nursing Home and the Vatos would have shown Rick and Co. (and the viewers) that shelter is never permanent - you just can't count on it. That sounds like Darabont's MO - too bad the rest of the footage didn't come together. I love the concept but hated the slow pace and navel-gazing up to the Sophia-barn reveal. The characters did not come off as realistic in the post-apocalyptic world, for the most part. Shooting a zillion rounds of precious ammo in target practice? Folks should have had defined jobs; scrounging ammo (or loading spent cartridges), keeping the vehicles fully gassed up for emergency escape. Only Herschel did any of that stuff (showed him filling the generator with diesel), though they did reference walking security rounds. I was heartened by the discussion of ammo in the run-up to the farm evacuation/zombie attack, and hope that we see some real organization by Rick when they get to the prison and have access to the armory and such there. But I am not counting on it. All that said, I feel better about this show now than I did before the barn door opened.
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It's a double-edged sword. Frank Darabont's tenure had slightly better characterization, in my opinion. The story flowed from the characters, rather than the characters being manipulated to serve the demands of the story. With the exception of Sophia running off, there weren't any of the major headscratcher-moments that became commonplace in the first few episodes of Season 2. On the other hand, the pacing was almost mind-numbingly slow, without enough payoff. Glen Mazzara's tenure feels more like conventional television. As heavily-arced as the show still is, each episode feels like an episode, rather than another chunk of an ongoing, very long movie. Moments like Dale's death happened because the show was looking for an emotional punch, rather than evolving naturally. The dialogue doesn't have the same grace to it. On the other hand, the pacing is far more engaging, and the tone is much grittier. You feel the desperation in a way you didn't even in the first season, except when Rick got trapped in the tank. He's burning through story faster, which makes each episode more of an edge-of-your-seat affair.
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Most of the good stuff was in the 1st half: Otis being shot; the Darryl episode; the zombie in the well; the barn reveals. The 2nd half had the bar scene, but then Rick decides to take the kid back with them (when he should have died from blood loss before they even got back to the farm)? The whole "Carl leaving the house" and Lori's schizophrenia didn't really become the joke it has UNTIL the 2nd half of Season 2. Herschell is going to go into town to get drunk while leaving his daughter in a coma (because a committed drunk wouldn't have a secret stash close by... my brother had the idea that another reason Hersh kept the zombies in the barn is that is where he kept it... as long as there are zombies there, he is sober [not to mention, maybe Hersch was drunk when his wife and son were bitten, so he wanted to keep them around even as zombies as a way of showing them he would remain sober for the rest of his family]). Lori drives out and has a wreck, and then proceeds to walk towards town?!? and not back to the farm? When she is almost eaten by a couple of zombies?!? Again, I did not mind the slower pace of the 1st half.. at least it made sense. But once Sophia came out and they shot her, that was it. They HAD to leave. Either Herschell would have gone nuts and him and a family member or two would have died in the firefight, or the zombie hoard would have been drawn to the farm from the 10 minute barrage of gun fire. When they started dragging things out AFTER Sophie was dead (ie the only real reason for them staying), that told me things hit "reality show fake drama bullshit" territory. NOTHING in the 2nd half is earned, developed or built up. They pussy out of Carl shooting Shane, and start having characters turn against Rick (even if it was superficial) when nothing really justified it. Carl always leaving the house officially became a joke "in the 2nd half of Season 2" and Lori couldn't figure out if she wanted Shane dead or not (why is she getting shocked that Rick did what she was whispering in his ear? Chris Hardwick nailed that one on THE TALKING DEAD). This show is officially bullshit, and it's obvious the writers have no idea what they are doing. Bullshit things are going to happen just for the sake of it (or more specifically yanking the chains of the audience). Like Glenn's needless and stupid death in TWD #100, both the comic and the TV show are a complete waste of time in that the writers only exist to punch you in the nuts.
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the abandoned hospital, the legless girl zombie, the tank, but especially Morgan and the scene with his wife. That was beautiful. Second episode was OK, then the whole thing just fell off a cliff for me. Mainly the setups, not necessarily the characters. But season two was a whole new kind of awful. I'm still pissed for Darabont and the way they handled him, but the show seemed to be going downhill fast anyway. The penny pinching by using only one set and the interminable talking was suicide.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST
Just for actually using the word "apologist" you are a total idiot.
by rollin2001uk
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Aug. 10, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST
Goddamnit guys, if you're going to discuss the show, discuss the SHOW, not the comics
by D.Vader
Stop spoiling what happens in the comics without giving out a warning. You're being an asshole if you don't.
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Nah, I wouldn't being that you seem considerate enough not to just throw spoilers out in your subject line, insuring that people will read it and get spoiled. Besides, he's asking for the details, so by all means.
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I mean, what do people expect? A full on zombie horde attack in every episode? You need those slow moments and the heavy dialogue scenes. How else do you expect to build character and advance the story above more than just a string of repeated zombie attacks? Now, I do understand the beef with the angelic gang members as it felt like it was shoehorned into the story to serve as some kind of commentary on our society (don't judge a book by its cover, kids!) but still, it wasn't THAT bad that it made me hate it. There have been a lot of great character moments so far mixed with a healthy amount of zombie action. I love this show and I'm looking forward to it running for a while longer.
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Goddamnit! In case you missed it the first time. Force choke time d.v.
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I scares me.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
CARL GETS BEATEN TO DEATH WITH A BASEBALL BAT IN ISSUE #100
by Mr. Anderson
There are several panels of the beating, in each one his head is more bashed in. It's pretty gross. Oh yeah, SPOILER ALERT
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Aug. 10, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST
I thought issue 100 was really good because it reminded me of the time when I was a kid and I had my head bashed in with a baseball bat.
by Fries Against
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Aug. 10, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
mr. anderson, you need to get your spoilers right.
by Queefer Sutherland
It's Glenn, dumbass.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
I NEVER expected Michonne to be killed in issue 101
by Queefer Sutherland
Not after Glenn bought the farm in 100. NEVER would have thought that.
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Whether you're having fun or not, I am. I hope you know that Michonne doesn't really die and I'm just making this shit up. But if you're taking me serious, you're still fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh, and the anal pounding.
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The first one of the very first season. Everything else was fucking shit!
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Aug. 11, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
Good. They filmed that sequence a couple of miles from my house...
by Buck_Futt
... and I've been wanting to watch it ever since.
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Aug. 11, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
"footage that was not usable" what did they leave the lens cap on?
by Darth_Inedible
I've never understood this explanation. Love to know what really went wrong.
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The comic and TV series are separate, though related, media, and the TV series needs to develop its own unique voice and style (which I've argued for in these talkbacks). But I strongly feel flashbacks should never be used again in the TV series. They have never been used in the comic, and I believe Kirkman does this intentionally. Because part of the comic's theme (I surmise) is it doesn't really matter who these survivors were before the apocalypse, what matters is who they are now in this changed world. So you have Darabont originally wanting to open with a flashback to the early days of the apocalypse, which would have had street battles between the army and zombie horde in downtown Georgia. Presumably, none of the characters from the main cast would have appeared in this. And this sequence sounded like it would have busted most of the Season 2 budget right off for what would have been a zombie-wank. I wonder if the two pointless flashbacks we did see in Season 2 were Darabont's work. As pretentious as this sounds, Walking Dead the comic is not about the zombies. It never has been. It's about the survivors, how they deal, and how they treat one another. Throughout the comic series, the real enemies are fellow humans who simply do awful, inhumane shit to one another. It is fellow humans who are potentially scarier and more evil than the undead. The zombies are more or less a metaphor for any highly disruptive disaster that throws human society off its moorings. This is really why the comic series became popular. Hopefully, in season 3, things will get back on track, and Kirkman has a lot more say with the direction of the series. As a fan of the comic, I appreciate that Darabont helped to bring it to television, but after the pilot, in hindsight he probably should have immediately moved on.
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Aug. 11, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
So S2, either Darabont or Mazzara at fault, was mostly a sophmore slump. Big Deal. It happens. S3 is at the goddamn Prison and has the Goddamn Governor in it!
by Al
Okay, S2 not as good, still had concentrated moments of awesome and that's good enough for me. Maggie is hot as fuck. Ending was solid. And, as I said, they're at the fucking prison! And the Governor is in it! Yeah, he doesn't really look much like the comic book counterpart but fucking Governor!
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Aug. 11, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
So stop yer bitchin until you're in the meaty middle chunk of Season 3
by Al
I'm fairly certain we'll all be fine by that point. Hell, want the series to go on long enough so we can see what happens to Glenn in issue #100!
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With the advent of WALKING DEAD's new season (as well as Romero homage, i.e. SHAUN OF THE DEAD), Fred Frees--son of the iconic Voice (Paul Frees)--recorded "Zombie Maria", a CD burlesque of the genre (http://www.bearmanormedia.com/). I'm fond of a humorous pastiche in zombie flicks, including the neglected NIGHT OF THE CREEPS and NIGHT OF THE DEMONS (the remake of the latter was a total abortion).
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