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The Kidd Vs. THE BOURNE LEGACY

Published at: Aug. 9, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST by The Kidd

 

Every so often, a few movies fall through the cracks of my cinematic world, unseen for whatever reasons (lack of time, other things to do, etc.), and it becomes a chore to try to get caught up on them as more and more takes priority over watching these films I missed the first time around. The Matt Damon-fronted BOURNE trilogy of films fall into such a category. I did watch THE BOURNE IDENTITY when it was first released, and damn if I remember much about it, other than Matt Damon’s sudden ability to beat some serious ass when necessary. I’ve been able to sneak a peek at the two films that rounded out Damon’s turn as Jason Bourne, but that’s been mostly limited to action sequences, which gave me a general idea of Paul Greengrass’ stylistic approach. Therefore, I’m hardly what you’d call a BOURNE fan or even a BOURNE watcher. Going into THE BOURNE LEGACY, I knew little of the grand scheme of Treadstone and Blackbriar, so, starting fresh, I was quite interested to see if I’d get lost entering the BOURNE franchise at this point as a new soul or if the next chapter would hold up as its own story.

For a series Matt Damon passed on continuing, there’s very little effort paid to establishing Jeremy Renner’s Aaron Cross as every five seconds the name of Jason Bourne is resurrected to remind you that somehow the two films are connected.

“Have you seen this file on Jason Bourne?”

“Jason Bourne was seen in New York City.”

“Jason Bourne escaped following a shootout.”

Well, you get the picture.

In fact, without those constant reminders that THE BOURNE IDENTITY, THE BOURNE SUPREMACY and THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM should serve as some type of foundation for LEGACY, the film would be an even bigger mess than it is, mostly because there is no real story here to tell, just an attempt to capitalize on the BOURNE name by giving you a side story that takes place around the same time as ULTIMATUM.

    

With Jason Bourne and all the information surrounding Blackbriar and Treadstone going public and nudging forward investigations into the dealings of the C.I.A., the higher-ups at the intelligence agency and within the government, led by Edward Norton, whose position is never really made clear, decide it’d be best to terminate all their other secret, black ops programs. That’ll stop the fallout at Blackbriar and Treadstone, and, once the heat calms down, they can restart some of these other programmable assassin set-ups later down the line. One such program is Operation Outcome, set to be burned to the ground by killing off all of its participants as well as the scientists who helped it thrive. Therefore, one by one, Outcome agents are knocked off by switching their chems to a more poisonous dosage, and, for the two out in the middle of nowhere, a drone attack on their location should do the trick… only it doesn’t, and Cross is able to get away alive. As for the scientists, Rachel Weisz’s Dr. Shearing manages to avoid execution, leaving two loose ends on the run from the government who is desperately trying to gun them down. The problem with this equation though is that it’s entirely one-sided. “The Man,” so to speak, is on a relentless chase to find Renner and Weisz, but there is no sort of repercussion from that duo against those after them. Renner and Weisz never take it upon themselves to seek revenge for the threats against their lives, or even to expose further to the public what’s going on. There’s no actual plan to their plan other than to keep running, hope to stay alive, and… well, that’s it. Maybe they’re hoping to just tire their pursuers out to the point that they’ll leave them alone. I don’t know, but it makes for a rather flat and unexciting story for your film when its heroes, the very people you should be rooting for, have nothing in sight – no thing, no place, no person – that you can hope for them to get to. The best THE BOURNE LEGACY offers up is the hope that they don’t die, but, even then, there’s no reason to ever invest in these shallow characters along the way for that hope to carry any sort of weight with it.

Aaron Cross really wants to track down his chems – a pair of blue and green pills that enable the physical and intellectual side of his assassin program to be maintained – to the point that he’ll ask anybody and everybody he encounters along the way, from a doctor to a street hot dog vendor if they’ve got any. I’m pretty sure he’d trade cheeseburgers or blowjobs for a couple of pills if anyone were holding along his journey. But, beyond that, there’s nothing to Aaron Cross, other than a few flashbacks that don’t really register in THE BOURNE LEGACY because they make no sense on their own. They may be part of bigger story to be revealed in subsequent films, but that’s just lazy filmmaking by writer-director Tony Gilroy. This is a clear case of franchise building and trying to tell only one chapter of the story in order to lure you back for the sequel to find out more of what happened. I’m all for weaving threads through multiple films that pay off with larger revelations down the road, but, when you’re purposefully cutting a bigger tale into smaller sections of that story in order to stretch it out as long as possible, that’s just not cool. What makes it even more unforgivable in the case of THE BOURNE LEGACY is I’m pretty sure all of those details could have been spelled out in this one film, because, for as long as the movie is, there’s long stretches where LEGACY is simply spinning its wheels, killing time to get to the end credits. Nothing of any substance is happening during these periods of time, and really, by the end of LEGACY, you’ll wonder what, if anything, really happened throughout the course of the entire film anyway.

For a spy action thriller, there’s no spying, very little action and nothing thrilling to THE BOURNE LEGACY. It takes about 45 minutes for the first action beat to even come out, and that’s not even counting Jeremy Renner’s battle with a wolf, which feels more like a pandering apology to those who felt cheated by the marketing of THE GREY than anything that truly belongs in a BOURNE movie. I can’t even say if Renner is good in this extension of the BOURNE world, because he’s not really given anything to do. All of the exposition comes from poor dialogue in the backrooms of the C.I.A.’s command center that tries to explain what’s happening, and, with that said, this might be the worst role I’ve seen Edward Norton take. For an actor that’s consistently strong in his performances, Norton sleepwalks through THE BOURNE LEGACY, as it feels his paycheck was cut just for him to show up on set and speak his lines, without any attention paid to him showing any type of emotion or frankly even giving a shit.

        

Back to Renner though, he’s quite capable in the few action sequences he’s called upon to get involved in, and I would have liked to see more from Renner in this regard. But Cross is set up as more of a pacifist, only fighting those who attack him or endanger him first, so the displays of his killer instinct are few and far between. That also comes from a great deal of the movie being spent with the C.I.A. trying to find Cross, not actually finding him with any degree of success.

By the time LEGACY brings in a LARX beta program assassin, who is described as “Treadstone without the inconsistency,” and heads towards its ridiculously long foot/motorcycle chase climax that may have sounded cool in concept but comes across as soulless and boring on-screen, there’s no saving THE BOURNE LEGACY… not that those moments could have done so either, as they present themselves as ridiculously cliché and rather anti-climactic.

Without the previous three BOURNE films, THE BOURNE LEGACY would have been impossible to make, and, even with them, it’s a movie they shouldn’t have bothered going ahead with. There’s not nearly enough character and certainly not enough story for this to even exist, and definitely doesn’t add anything to the legacy of Bourne films. I think I’ll just invest my time in catching up on the Damon portions of BOURNE. They’ve got to be better than this boring entry, right?

 

-Billy Donnelly

"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"

BillyTheKidd@aintitcool.com

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  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    :( ...and first.

    by Dobler

    Bummer.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    fuck all this shit

    by Jared Parker

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    not too surprising

    by drave117

    As a huge fan of the original trilogy, we'll see if I feel any differently.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Does Stacy Keach's hairlip make an appearance?

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    But... but... but Harry loved it!!

    by BenBraddock

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIS SHIT!!!

    by Jared Parker

    i'll wait til' next week to go to the movies. EXPENDABLES 2, BEYOTCHES!!!!!!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Damon kidded if they made another, it would be a search for Bourne's car keys.

    by openthepodbaydoorshal

    Sadly, that sounds more entertaining.

  • BOURNE LEGACY is a wonderful addition to the entire BOURNE universe that Universal has been crafting. This one expands that world beyond Bourne and opens up the scale of how TREADSTONE reacted to what Jason was doing in the previous feature.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    The Kidd Versus...

    by Joe Momma

    Is it just me or does his headline schtick just BUG? How can one even attempt any form of objectivity for a film when your staple is figuratively going to battle with each one you watch/review?

  • If you break the 4th wall, I had better get a goddamn wink!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    All I want to know is, Shaky-Cam or no Shaky-Cam?

    by chaburchak

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    I can't take Jeremy Renner seriously..

    by Tom McMahon

    ...he's just got the look of a person you hire for a part when the one you really wanted was busy.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Too bad they killed off Clive Owen's assassin in the first one...

    by chaburchak

    It would've been natural to bring him back and spin off his character. Alas, kinda hard to do with him laying in a field full of buckshot.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Too bad. I'm surprised Tony Gilroy couldn't pull it off.

    by Sardonic

    He's been pretty damn good otherwise. The guy did Michael Clayton, right? That basically felt like a Bourne movie without Bourne, or any action scenes.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Patriotism does not exist in this dojo

    by Cobra--Kai

    You saw Bond meeting the Queen at the Olympics opening right? The Bond films evoke national pride and patriotism for the UK. The Bourne equivalent would be Damon assassinating the shadowy corrupt vice president. The Bourne films evoke distrust of the govt and self loathing for the US. Fuck Bourne.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    by Cobra--Kai

    And im pretty sure Jeremy Renner is a lesbian.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Has The Kidd given a good review to any movie…..

    by Jt

    haven't seen this yet, so I have no idea rather it's good or not, but it seems like The Kidd act's like every movie he reviews is a steaming pile of shit.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Almost fell asleep during your description of the movie.

    by knowthyself

    Jesus christ was a bore-fest of a film franchise.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST

    I like the old KIDD art better.....

    by DadeOrAlive

    .... where is the f'n horse?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST

    I've only seen the opening 15 minutes of Bourne Supremacy....

    by kindofabigdeal

    didn't care for it after that. I just couldn't buy Matt Damon as an action star in the first. After I seen the shaky cam fight in part 2 I tuned out. I hate shaky cam filmmaking. Paul Greengrass sucks as a director. I went to see United 93 and bought it as traditional viewing on 9/11. It makes for a good comedy after watching Zietgiest or In Plane Site.

  • The Bourne Identity was a really good action movie. Each of the sequels was way better than the one that came before it. By the end of the trilogy, you were completely invested in Bourne as a character. Going into this movie, which obviously references Bourne a lot (he's in the title) I feel like it would be a very different experience when they're making all this hullabaloo about a man that you do not know or care about. I'd be curious to see what Kidd would say after watching Legacy again after seeing all 3 of the originals.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    djangos_revenge

    by A_Banned_Apart

    Kidd's TDKR review was the most positive review AICN published.

  • When the lead actor has left a franchise, you either move on from that character or you recast. What you don't do is ride the coatails of what was there before to make something new. That's just lazy.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    I'm the infamous Ozman X and don't watch Bourne movies

    by Ozman X

    So i'll skip this one even though I like the actors involved.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    This is basically the fourth film in a series.

    by Francis Begbie

    And The Kidd is a reviewer who hasn't seen the 2nd and 3rd. Why bother reviewing it? Wouldn't it seem inappropriate if a reviewer critiqued Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire if he had not seen the two that came before it? Just an example. But seriously, this review is terrible for that reason alone and "The Kidd" is irresponsible for thinking it was a good idea.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    I wonder if we get to see what happened to Paz

    by seagrass

    the asset who didn't "take the shot". Édgar Ramírez really did a lot with the little bit of screentime that he had. He's not listed in the credits of Legacy, so probably not (unless he's an uncredited cameo). I'm more interested in what happened to him after he disobeyed his orders.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Harry liked it, so of course Billy didn't.

    by adeceasedfan

    I hate both of you, so I'm not sure what that means.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Im seeing it. Bourne is now a bond / batman type franchise

    by rakesh patel

    nothing wrong with that, new agents new dramas new fights. all good. I liked watching all the bourne movies, i just havent watched them enough times to remember everything about them. but yeah. it looks good. kidds movie reviews are always on shaky ground with me, so im gonna have to check this out myself.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    And the new art is...new.

    by adeceasedfan

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Fuck any AICN reviews from the kidd or harry.

    by MISTER RUMBLES

    On one side you have embittered arrogance, on the other there's prepubescence nonsense.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Exactly, begbie

    by seagrass

    Also, how the hell has The Kidd *not* seen Supremacy or Ultimatum? They were superior to the original in almost every way. Very puzzling. He couldn't spare 4 hours to view them before he watched Legacy?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    KIDD: DO YOUR DAMN JOB

    by Fico

    For God's sake, it's your job to WATCH MOVIES. Sure, I'd understand if a few slipped through the cracks, like Che Part 1 and 2 or something. But these are big budget, well made action thrillers. Again, your job is to WATCH MOVIES. The hell?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST

    It's like watching The Phantom Menace first

    by seagrass

    Oh, wait.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST

    xthetdenzx vs. The Kidd

    by todd

    Do you like anything? Your titles "The Kid vs..." give the idea that you don't. And maybe you have written a positive review before but I can't remember any. I'd like to read a review for something you like sometime. Just saying, not everything is that bad.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST

    sigh.....I can't....am i the only one who...fine here we go

    by The_All_Dead

    If the movie is bad then it loses to The Kidd however if the film is good that means it kicked the Kidds ass. Thats what The Kidd Vs."insert movie" means...but im not to smart so who knows.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Faster than Bourne! Tougher than Bourne! Smarter than Bourne!

    by buggerbugger

    Cheaper than Bourne! If you liked Bourne, this guy is more Bourne than Bourne! Bourne Bourne Bourne! Great, another fucking assassin who doesn't want to be an assassin, so they send assassins after him to assassinate him. It's a good job none of those guys are having second thoughts about being assassins, isn't it? How come the best assassins always turn out to be the least reliable when it comes to carrying out the job and then have to be assassinated by assassins who scored fewer points on the assassination exam? The CIA's secret assassin programmes make no fucking sense, they all seem to be geared toward favouring candidates who have a problem with assassinating people. Seriously, who assassinates the assassins? And the assassins of the assassins of the assassins? Maybe the CIA could avoid all this shit by simply not training anyone to be an assassin in the first place.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    The Kidd vs. a pink slip

    by dork13

    Been reading AICN for about 10 years, and this will only be my second post. The first was a most likely futile attempt to point out to creepythinmanlives what a sad sack he is. Trust me, I do not take lightly the act of calling for someone to be removed from their position. Even if The Kidd doesn't get paid (I have no idea if he does or not), this still isn't something I would say on a whim. But Harry, this dude should be shown the door. Seriouly Kidd, wht do you even review movies? It seems like nothing can measure up to your standards. Are you a hipster in disguise or someting? If you are going to be constantly ripping stuff, at least do it with some flair like the "Somke 'em if you got 'em" guy (I'm ashamed I can't remember his name, he was awesome). I come to this site to geek out and read about cool movie shit. To feel good. Every time I read one of The Kidd's reviews, I leave the site not feeling good. I understand everyone has their own tastes, and maybe there about abunch of people out there that think The Kidd is the shit. But i doubt it. Harry, there is kind of a geek joy that permeates your site. I think that's one of the main reasons it's so popular. I don't think that the vast majority of the people that follow the site are getting that from The Kidd. He just seems like some kind of asshole/Debbie Downer. You can find someone better.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    The Bourne Limitless??

    by Steve Lamarre

    What's with this pill-popping Bourne wannabe? They should have been more patient in making another addition to this franchise. Each Bourne movie was part of a large story, but they definitely gave you resolution with each film, as if any of them could have been the last. Legacy sounds pretty empty.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST

    I'll take Renner over Damon any day

    by cgih8r

  • The only thing that surprised me about this review was the fact that a film critic admitted to not seeing the previous installments of the franchise prior to watching this new movie. What a strapper.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST

    stopped reading after the opening lines.

    by Waka_Flocka

    you're reviewing the fourth film of a series but you couldn't even be bothered to watch its predecessors before you went to see it?!?! what the fuck is wrong with the reviewers on this site.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Renner looks like a missing Belushi brother.

    by buggerbugger

    Or maybe something from the Dark Crystal? Can't decide.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Nah, think I'll go see DKR in 70mm IMAX, instead.

    by bat725

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Yeah you'd think film critics would be movie geeks or something

    by Steve Lamarre

    Hell, I watch a movie every day. Including recently rewatched the Bourne trilogy.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    dont like the bourne series

    by Kakii

    The first was badly overrated and the shaky cam stuff is aweful, i tried the second but that sucked even more, didnt bother with the 3rd. The trailers for this did look good, i was considering watching it, maybe ill pass on this too.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah, this is embarassing for the Kidd.

    by Christian

    You work for a movie-reviewing site writing reviews and you can't be bothered to watch movies, even hugely influential ones? GTFO!!! The Bourne movies, like them or not, have affected the entire action movie scene and it is your god damned job as a movie geek/reviewer to f-king see them. You are a retarded douchebag, Kidd. You don't belong on this site.

  • But now, after what? Three or four months I want to bash his teeth in with the handle of my chefs knife. Every single one of his reviews are pretentious and boring. This blowhard, hipster nonsense where nothing is good enough for your superior and refined intellect is about as entertaining to read as the back of a Kashi cereal box. If movies have you this jaded, stop watching and writing about them.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Wow. That's lazy, Kidd.

    by IAmTommyWiseau

    You know what I did before I went to see TDKR? I spent a few hours watching Batman Begins and TDK - even though I'd already seen them some time back.</p>You can't be bothered to make the time for the other Bourne movies before watching this one? When you're paid to do so and you know it would help you write the review? Well, fuck me. Can't see myself trusting any of your reviews again, you lazy bastard.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST

    It was HORRENDOUS!

    by namrepus

    I was actually at the screening on Tuesday in Miami. I am a HUGE Bourne fan and the Kidd's review is spot on. The movie is basically about Jeremy Renner's search for pills. Thats it!! It is 2 hrs and 15 minutes of absolutely nothing! Probably one of the worst endings to a movie I have ever seen! Save your $$$ I was pissed and it was free!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST

    bat725

    by seagrass

    Don't sit too close. I saw it last night here in Georgia and even halfway back was a little too close. Even when that giant screen is filled, there is usually so much going on that it's hard to take in everything. I would say the 3rd or 4th to last row would be ideal, at least at Mall of GA Imax.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Ya got to be Kiddn' me!

    by jellypop

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    You haven't seen the other movies?

    by JasonZumwalt

    Then shut the fuck up. Are you serious? Unreal.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Posting this before I read this dumbasses review...

    by Zeta

    $100 dollars says The Kidd doesn't like it.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    shaky cam and the Channing McTatum coulda saved this movie..

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    ...with a sprinkle of JJ lens flare.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    The Kidd has only given a rave review to ONE movie:

    by Negator76

    TDKR. And I HATED TDKR. He's a boring writer, a lazy reviewer, and his tastes are highly suspect. Jesus, is it too much to ask for a Massawyrm or a Mr. Beaks to take his spot? Those are guys that I often disagreed with, and sometimes held opinons that I found infuriating. But they key is, they could write compelling and entertaining arguments for their views, and knew something about the movies they were reviewing. To quote comic book guy: Worst. Aintitcool reviewer. Ever. DUMP THE KIDD.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Finished reading it...

    by Zeta

    Does this guy even enjoy watching movies? AICN should really get rid of him.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST

    This would have worked with Clive Owen...

    by Andrew Coleman

    Open on him dying in the field. Then he is rescued by a CIA team. They pump full of drugs and make him even better then he was before. He becomes tired of his job and when Bourne goes on the run he decides to as well. This would have been cooler and would have set up an interesting film in the future if he and Damon were to team up... Instead we have this movie which is just a cash grab. I get people hating on this review but come on the plot of this movie is uber fucking basic. Also if you claim to "hate" TDKR then you frankly cannot defend this movie. I'm checking it out because I love movies and going to the theater but I know what this is... The Bourne franchise I find amusing as well. Because so many people like it when it is hands down the most anti-American franchise I've ever seen. It's not some rogue general or member of government that is bad... It's the entire fucking military and CIA. Bond always fights terrorists and lunatics of some variation. Bourne just fights the CIA over and over again. It's hilarious.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    re: The Kidd

    by mcgillj

    It is obvious Bourne was responsible for the tone and style of the new Bond films. It may slowly morph into more a hybrid with the gadgets, etc. We'll see on that one. But the influence was clear. At least i can respect that upfront he admits to not having a good frame of refeeence. But the movie should still be good on its own, regardless. If the review is accurate. The hammering of this is a bourne movie to the detriment of the new lead. One thing i can say of the first three you were invested with damon and bourne. There were some great action sequences but at the same time an interesting story to keep going. If Legacy can't have its own voice it is just a diluted sequel with an uninteresting lead. I hope its not true. I really do. I want to be there opening night.. but the while super soldier story makes me cringe.. then again i had my own plan for the series after damon passed.. too bad we will NEVER see the face of the REAL Jason Bourne.. or who and why Webb became him. An open ballpark for Damon, Greengrass.. and I think Norton would have been a hell of a Bourne.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    If you can't be bothered with the tools needed to do your job....

    by Trying_It_Again_Part_2

    ....Then your ass gets FIRED in the real world. Since Harry and Kidd are BOTH fucking retarded, it ain't gonna happen in this case. That's too bad. The good thing is, there are plenty of actual PROFESSIONAL movie-related sites out there to give us balanced reviews of films. I only come here now for the comedy. Retardation at it's finest.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    BOURNEY IDENTITY is a top 3 spy movie of all time

    by Razorback

    And anyone who doesn't think so is a cockfaced cunttard.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Stupid

    by Na

    He can't be bothered to watch the first three neo-classic action films, and is then surprised he doesn't like the fourth one?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    myphdisdoom

    by Negator76

    I wasn't defending this movie, it didn't look promising and I wasn't planning to go to the theater to see it. But that's beside the point. A good reviewer is fun and insightful even when they're giving a negative review. Kidd is an unimaginative reviewer and really not much of a writer. He's not funny, doesn't bother to unearth the positive contributions of certain cast and crew (and there are always some, even in a 'terrible' movie), and isn't even smart enough to offer up alternative creative decisions that would have improved a movie. He's just a dull writer who seems to dislike nearly everything, and then seems to relax his standards on random, and baffling, occasions. (I mean, it's OK if you enjoyed the Dark Knight Rises, but a RAVE? I can't believe anyone could ignore its flaws so completely).

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST

    To all the people bashing the Kidd...

    by Todd1700

    Waaaa, he didn't like the same movie I did. Waaaaa, it makes my little 2 inch pee pee sick. Waaaaa.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST

    So just see TDKR again? Ok. Twist my arm (seen it 4 times now).

    by Quake II

  • You know know they make these movies to make profits from dumb moviegoers, don't you? Most of them aren't supposed to be "good".

  • You guys are so desperate to like anything that your standards are incredibly low. I'm glad he's keeping it real and doesn't gush over every lame film that has him to a junket.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST

    Erm... I actually quite enjoyed it!...

    by ChickenStu

    No masterpiece or anything but I still found it likeable!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    That's what you all sound like and....

    by Todd1700

    ....all the movies The Kidd has given a negative review have one thing in common. They all actually sucked. What do you want him to do? Lie? Become like Harry and give everything a good review even if it's just 2 hours of time lapse footage showing a dog turd decomposing in someones front yard? 95% of what Hollywood pumps out in a given year is shit. If you can't deal with that glaring fact then go slit your throat and lay down under a bus. I doubt you would be missed by anyone other than a few hobos that wander in for coffee on the 11-7 shift you work at Circle K. Me, I appreciate a reviewer that has a higher standard and seems not to be bought off like the others at this site.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Was that Moby song "Extreme Ways" in this one as well?

    by Chris

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Billy is the exact opposite of Harry

    by Adelai Niska

    Harry goes in enthusiastic and loves a lot of movies, often geeking over random things you wouldn't expect people to be crazy for, while rarely and spontaneously hating on great movies for strange reasons. Billy goes in with a "Kidd VS" mentality and hates everything, snarks everything including stuff you don't think would bother anyone, and rarely and spontaneously likes a movie for strange reasons.

  • The Kidd doesn't seem to like much, and what he does like I usually disliked or hated. So I'm still willing to give this the benefit of the doubt. I just had hoped this was good with the potential of luring Matt Damon back into the action! I own and loved the original Bourne Trilogy! Especially Supremacy & Ultimatium

  • Even if going into a sequel you would think a person would catch up. I get that maybe you wouldn't want that to cloud your judgement going into this. But for this type of film that relies so heavily on what happened in the Damon films you would think hey maybe I should check this out. But the common pattern on the Kidd's reviews are I hate this, to this was good but this part of it made it bad. I mean even The Avengers review where he claimed to like the movie, came off like he freaking hated it. While the jumbled TDKR he sang it's praises totally ingnoring illogical plot point after plot point. Yeah Kidd you just kind of come off as a pretenious asshole.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST

    The Kidd vs Harry

    by shane peterson

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    what's up with the meat logo??

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    grade A certified, that's fucking silly, man

  • You need to grow up Mckidd an take your job seriously otherwise fuck off. You aint all that and boy how you have revealled that you really aint the critic or movie fan you thonk you are. Pitiful.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6 p.m. CST

    What about ZOOEY DESCHANEL???????????

    by wackybantha

    Why isn't she in this, damn it?????!!!!!!???????

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Thanks Kidd. Was looking for a reason to skip it.

    by kstewandthecuntsman

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Hell, I like the Kidd.

    by Umney

    in fact he's the only one on this site that I trust(And I’ve been reading this site since dial-up was a virgin). And i think i can understand why he gets so much heat on this site: the majority you have an utterly atrocious taste in movies.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    I have to agree with todd1700 and scratchmonkey.

    by pete

    I was curious what the word is on this one, because after seeing the trailers and previews, just the actions cenes alone looked like shit Bourne would never, or could never, do. It looked like Spider-man climbing those walls and jumping onto that bike. Everything he described in that review looks eXACTLY like the previews for this movie. And it's ironic that this is coming from a guy who gave relatively positive reviews to the first three Bourne movies even though he hadn't seen them. Look at the first paragrapg again, and each supsequent line that criticizes this movie. He hasn't even seen the first three movies fully and he STILL nails what's wrong with this movie being release from a concept standpoint and so on. If you can nail what's wrong with this movie without even having seen the first three movies then something's wrong with THIS movie, and I find it very fucking ironic that people are dumping on him and his review and THEY haven't even seen the fucking movie yet. And just like todd1700 said "all the movies The Kidd has given a negative review have one thing in common. They all actually sucked". It's amazing to me that talkbackers in here are comparing Harry favorably to The Kidd when half the people BASH the "SHIT" out of Harry every chance they get, rightfully so, especially for being so positive on a movie especially when it is clearly shit. people bashed Harry for his reasons for not liking The Dark Knight Rises, but now all of a sudden in THIS topic "HARRY" is the voice of reason? Are you fuckin' "SERIOUS"?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST

    If the Bourne films were shakycam, then shakycam is the fucking best.

    by FluffyUnbound

    Anybody who complains about the action choreography in the Bourne films is a tool. The fight in the assassin's house in Germany, where Damon is fighting with fucking ball point pens and magazines and shit, is the best fight sequence in modern cinema. Period. Better than any Hong Kong shit, better than any wire work nonsense. It's fucking breathtakingly cool. Oh, and the Kidd sucks, he's lazy, yadda yadda yadda. I agree with the general sentiment.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST

    I agree with instrumental though.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I always bought that Bourne could do the stuff Liman and Greengrass had him do. They made him mentally extraordinary, but physically believable. OTOH, I've seen the trailers for this, and I don't buy any of it for a second. Hey, watch me jump off a building and slide right down the wall! No. How much does the embassy sequence in IDENTITY lose if Bourne can just run down walls like Spider-man?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    The Kidd Vs. Harry Knowles. The two extremes of AICN.

    by adeceasedfan

    Everyone loses.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Since when is Infamous interchangeable with Obnoxious?

    by thefreshestthing

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Aaron Cross

    by HapaPapa72

    They should've just named his character Rosencrantz Guildenstern.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Aaron Cross?

    by adeceasedfan

    Wasn't Tyler Perry supposed to be in this movie?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    I don't hate the Kidd because he gives negative reviews:

    by Negator76

    I hate him because he's a snooze. I LIKE honest, negative reviews. In terms of taste, I found Moriarty and Quint the most trustworthy, but I'm more critical than them(Moriarty thought Ratner's X3 was good! UGH!). In fact, the biggest disagreement I have with Kidd is over TDKR. Which he loved, and I hated. And I pretty much hate every movie he hates. My problem is that he is a boring writer who ticks off plot developments but doesn't have an interesting, funny, or particularly well-informed perspective that inflames my interest as a reader or enhances my enjoyment of the shitty movies he's reviewing. Read a review by Quint, and then read a review by Kidd. Quint's 'A Movie A Day' column was the best thing this site has ever run, and his enthusiasm, humor, and attention to detail leaves the Kidd in the dust. I LIKE the opinionated waiter at the restaurant who tells me straight-up which dishes are good and which ones they dislike. I HATE the gooey dumb waiter who thinks I just want to hear that 'everything's great!' But if the critical waiter is also an obnoxious, long-winded bore with extremely pedestrian and suspicious tastes, I don't trust him and I don't care to hear what he thinks. Fire this guy already.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST

    And Jeremy Renner's career was going so well...

    by Gary Makin

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Sigh...

    by The Cheese Grommitt

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by The Cheese Grommitt

    It seems that the constant with the Kidd's reviews is that they all start with a bug up his vagina. In this instance the bug being "Legacy" builds on the Jason story line GASP! everything following that bug up the ol' vagina is Insipid opinion. Peace.

  • From the Craig Bond films to Mission Impossible 3 and 4. As a reviewer, why review a part 4 to a film series if you never cared for 1, 2 and 3? Either way, glad they killed the shaky cam for part 4. It was too fucking much in the last film.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST

    No, the shakycam blurry shit is just bad filmmaking

    by Mugato5150

    And it's a style that's been adopted for the last decade or so in other movies even Bond. And I really can't tell any of the Bourne movies apart except the first 1 1/4 movie has a love interest in it.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Didn't bother to read the review

    by Red_Right_Return

    Just skipped to the comments because there was no reason to read the review and understand the relevancy with the comments. Seriously, The Kidd needs to find a job working in a coffee shop and stop reviewing movies.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST

    The first Bourne is excellent. The others are just retreads

    by Ash Talon

    The first Bourne was a rather refreshing entry into the spy/action genre. However, the following films were just retreads of the first but without the sympathy for the main character. He's not really a complete or sympathetic human being. We only cheer him on, since he's fighting against obviously bad people. The 2nd and 3rd Bournes are highly overrated and basically only enjoyable due to the action choreography.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    New Agent. New Mission. Still Bourne.

    by Krinkle

    That should really have been the tagline.

  • Really? Why should I care about your thoughts on this film then?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST

    do we really need another Borne movie...without Jason Borne?

    by bames_jond

    That's like Aerosmith being reformed by the members of the Wiggles but still called Aerosmith.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST

    @ adeceasedfan

    by bames_jond

    Not Tyler Perry... Joe Perry. Joe Perry was supposed to be in it and play Aaron Cross.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST

    jond? bames_jond?

    by adeceasedfan

    Lol.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST

    thanks kidd...

    by Balkin Flabgurter

    keep weeding the jewels from the cash cows, we will all continue to appreciate it.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST

    I thought people was kidding about the shaky cam...

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    I OWED THOSE PEOPLE A HUGE APOLOGY! It was all nauseating and very unnecessary! You couldn't enjoy the action scenes at all and everything was a messy blur with quick cutaways! I also owed Steve Seagal an apology. I serious thought his cutaways was annoying but the Bourne films proved I was wrong!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    corporate moviemaking

    by gaygoonie

    next

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I will lick Zooey Daschaneli clam for a mere $60 windfall.

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Zooey Deschanel News 5 at 11

    by UltraTron

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST

    @rupee88

    by MrLongbaugh

    You did read the review, didn't you? The Kidd stated that he didn't even watch the 2nd or 3rd and barely remembered anything about the 1st. You don't think he should have watched the other films in the series first? You don't think that was lazy on his part? Isn't it his job to watch movies?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:57 a.m. CST

    @todd1700

    by MrLongbaugh

    There are some guys at the Circle K who wanted me to tell you to "come by between 11-7 so we can slit your throat and throw you under a bus." They seemed really nice though.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 1:58 a.m. CST

    @ultratron

    by MrLongbaugh

    So, you are Sarah Silverman?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST

    SHOCKER

    by BALTIMOREJACK

    Another troll review.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    NOT a SPY movie, for fuck's sake... Why do people keep calling them that?!?

    by irishraidersfan

  • How dumb a review can you get?

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:10 a.m. CST

    @Kidd - every kid knows to do their homework before writing their paper!

    by CeejayNightwing

    You've made yourself look very stupid with this review based on nothing but preconceptions.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Saw this earlier this week

    by Shawn F.

    Renner tried his best and there were one or two scenes that worked, but overall this film was pretty bad. Boring and unnecessary, it really is a shame since Renner is a great actor and Gilroy proved he could write and direct quite well with "Michael Clayton".

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    @scratchmonkey

    by Ian Breske

    That is the exact problem with these movies. Most out of hollywood. Troy: baddest ass warrior ever, can't stand fighting. Huh? Go pick fucking olives or something. Thank God the real CIA knows how to pick bad muther fuckers to defend our country so douches like Damon can make their America hating shit. Read an interview with a Navy Seal sniper who killed more that 300+ terrorists. Did he feel bad? Nope. He says they were all bad people and he's right.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST

    fico slams you correctly KID

    by Joespat

    Complements to you fico for knocking a critic who insults a 4th act of a story after having little to no knowlede beyond action of the first films. Borne is meant to be as intellectual as it is action oriented. I have not yet seen the film but even I will rewatch the old films to enjoy the new one better. BTW I love the Che ref.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST

    by Lisa

    Renner's fight scenes were awesome! The acting fell flat.

  • Boy, Norton must be kicking himself for missing out on the biggest $ money making film franchise ever.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Yet another rogue agent chasing or being chased for 2 hours

    by Rtobert

    yawn

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST

    OH HEY ANOTHER NEGATIVE REVIEW BY "THE KIDD"

    by Joe Dissolvo

    Why does AICN keep this fucking moron around? Im sure there's plenty of legitimate film fans that would kill to take his place. He's a hack, and he has no place here on AICN.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Good review

    by Jedispike

    I think Billy gave a very concise and well analyzed review. He dissected what inherently are the flaws with having a passive protagonist who has no true goal outside of staying alive. Sometimes this can work very well, but if you don't care or identify with the protagonist what's the point. His review for TDKR was a great review as well. He didn't gush and acknowledge the problems, yet he gives you a clear explanation why it was a good film. I dig Harry, but to say you don't like the movie because you think " Batman would never do that" is not a good argument. TDKR holds up because of a good story you're invested in.

  • Aug. 15, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Well said.

    by Captainjock

    Hats off for not watching the previous Bourne movies, before catching the most recent offering. It could only have resulted in a more scathing review, as the dip in the quality of story telling is too big to ignore. Watched this with a friend last night, and he turned to me after about an hour, to predict that the film would end with nothing happening. He turned out to be absolutely right. I drove home with a feeling that I had just watched an extra long DVD special feature, and to finish off the experience, Gilroy was kind enough to piss all over the Bourne Ultimatum ending.