Details On A Fascinating
DOCTOR WHO Related 50th Anniversary Dramatic Special!!
Current DOCTOR WHO overbosses Steven Moffat and Caroline Skinner will wrangle AN ADVENTURE IN SPACE AND TIME - to be scripted by frequent WHOtributor Mark Gatiss. This is in conjunction with next year's 50th anniversary of DW.
"This is the story of how an unlikely set of brilliant people created a true Television original. And how an actor - William Hartnell - stereotyped in hard-man roles became a hero to millions of children. I've wanted to tell this story this for more years than I can remember! To make it happen for 'Doctor Who's 50th birthday is quite simply a dream come true".
...says Gatiss in THIS piece over at BBC.
If you've spent any amount of time whatsover on the frequently voluminous extras on BBC Home Entertainment's DOCTOR WHO DVDs, or glanced through various publications or websites devoted to the matter, you already know that the early years of DOCTOR WHO are quite remarkable for a number of reasons - not the least of which is the 'unlikely' group of people Gatiss mentions above.
Visionary and beautiful producer Verity Lambert...
...first Doctor William Hartnell - who was cast against type...
...the dashing Warris Hussein - who spoke about the developmental days of DW at the Paley Center in New York recently (still kicking myself for missing that one)...
...the enigmatic Delia Derbyshire, who painstakingly and cleverly forged DW's Ron Granier-composed theme into the iconic and haunting melody we know today...
...the list goes on. An astonishing array of personalities and talent, gathered at a unique point time in time (back in the early 60s), supporting a undertaking many did not expect to endure. But 5 decades later it's still here, and shows no signs of slowing down. DOCTOR WHO not withstanding, that's a pretty great story in itself when you stop to think about it.
AN ADVENTURE IN SPACE AND TIME may well end up being not only staggeringly Geeky, but tremendously exciting and insightful recent WHO converts and die hards alike. Very much looking forward to seeing what Gatiss and company come up with. More as we know more....
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"The Edge of Destruction" (Story #3)
"Marco Polo" (Story #4)
"The Keys of Marinus" (Story #5)
"The Aztecs" (Story #6)
"The Sensorites" (Story #7)
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"The Seeds of Death" (Story #48)
"The Colony in Space" (Story #58)
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"The Three Doctors" (Story #65)
"Carnival of Monsters" (Story #66)
"Death to the Daleks" (Story #72)
"The Robots of Death" (Story #90)
"The Talons of Weng-Chiang" (Story #91)
"The Sun Makers" (Story #95)
"The City of Death" (Story #105)
"Nightmare of Eden" (Story #107)
"Kinda" (Story #118)
"Snakedance" (Story #125)
"The Five Doctors" (Story #129)
"The Awakening" (Story #131)
"Frontios" (Story #132)
"Resurrection of the Daleks" (Story #134)
"The Caves of Androzani" (Story #136)
"Time and the Rani" (Story #144)
"Paradise Towers" (Story #145) + New WHOvian Documentary / Newsbits
"Dragonfire" (Story #147)
"The Happiness Patrol" (Story #149)
"Doctor Who: The Movie" (aka TVM) - McGann)
Merrick's Personal Journey With The Doctor (How Merrick Got Hooked On DOCTOR WHO)
"The Crash of the Elysium" (Manchester version - interactive DOCTOR WHO adventure)
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST
Looking forward to this immensely, while never a huge DrWho fan as a kid I've come to appreciate it more as I've gotten older and get a huge kick out of the older episodes. This is a must see.
Aug. 9, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
by Tanning Chatum
All my friends in the UK are amazed American adults love the show so, when it's really a Saturday morning show for kids. I watched an episode with mannequins that came to life and chased him and had to agree.
Aug. 9, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
...at least as far as a dramatised Bio flick goes anyhow. I'm a huge fan of the Hartnell era, but I just can't seem to drum up any excitement for this. The fact that Gatiss is writing it doesn't exactly up my enthusiasm level any either. Just not a fan of most of his Who related writing at all, despite his passion for the material. Maybe it'll surprise me, but right now I can't help but feel like I'd rather have a really in depth doco instead. But I guess the DVD suplementals have gotten that pretty well covered by this point.
Aug. 9, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
by John Brown
Way to get my heart pumping, only to find it's completely different from what I anticipated. Not that I'm upset, mind you--this looks brilliant. But not the possibility that made my heart leap.
Aug. 9, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST
People want to see the Doctors together like the other specials, not a bio pic about Hartnell. Does the show deserve one? Yes, but its not what the fans want or really care about. They want to see 4 to 11 fight the Daleks, Cyberman, the Weeping Angels and multiple Masters. Not, here is a boring a BBC documentary with a lot of talking heads.
Aug. 9, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
By their own admittance, it's the BBC's flagship show.
Aug. 9, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
This is entirely separate from the 50th Anniversary Special(s) that will be done with Matt Smith, etc. This is an additional movie.
Aug. 9, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST
This strikes me as the ultimate vanity project. A glorified DVD extra, or a segment of Confidential run riot.
Aug. 9, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Nice to see I was mistaken!
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
by Tanning Chatum
I was under the impression it *was* a Saturday morning show for kids. I guess now they are targeting families?
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST
by The Alienist
I'm actually impressed with the number of women who were associated with the series then...quite impressive for the times...
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST
Nope, never a Saturday morning show for kids - in fact, the show ultimately spun off a secondary show, The Sarah Jane Adventures, specifically to cater to the child audience, as there's often been some degree of concern that the prime show can be too scary for younger children. It's very much a family-oriented show and pretty much always has been.
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
It's NEVER been a Saturday morning show for kids. It's been a FAMILY show, which in the US means a kids show but not in the UK. And while the very early years might have been more kid-oriented, nobody will ever convince me that Spearhead from Space or Genesis of the Daleks was aimed at kids.
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
It makes sense to do a drama based on this. I'm wondering if BBC America will end up picking this up; it might be a good fit for their Dramaville stuff on Wednesday nights.
Aug. 9, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
But still holding out hope for a television series focusing on Louis Gosset Jr.'s character from Jaws 3, Calvin Bouchard. Think of the dramatic possibilities some 30 years later. That fuckin' shark left the aquatic park in some kind of mess; creditors pissed off, disgruntled employees, etc. Could (and I stress could) be a thematic goldmine...
Aug. 9, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
I might actually watch this.
Aug. 9, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Or as many as possible. Sure many are fat and unrecognizable, but it would be epic! Good luck getting Eccleston though, he sounds like a major PITA. And yes I know that RTD had a lot to do with it.
Aug. 9, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
Dies just hours after giving Mary's eulogy... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/doctor-who/9464243/Husband-of-Doctor-Who-actress-Mary-Tamm-died-just-hours-after-giving-her-eulogy.html
Aug. 9, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
okay but I'm a little confuse now. It basically sounds like a documentary (& well worth it one), but then, that Gatiss is "writing" it? So is it fictional or no?
Aug. 9, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST
I'm afraid all the folks in those pictures ahve died, apart from Waris Hussein who's still going strong. This is (I'm safely assuming) going to be an acted, scripted piece with those above played by actors. Whoever they get to play Hartnell will be intriguing to say the least.
Aug. 9, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
He's one of the main reasons for the success of the show.
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
People think the old show was but that's not really correct.
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST
With that big cheesy grin and his trying to be a bit street cool act.
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
MANY science fiction shows/concepts were initially made for kids, and/or are still for kids, yet are still popular with adults either because of nostalgia or because they're just downright cool star wars transformers robotech just about every super hero property on the big screen
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
...and by Gatiss himself! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPodPoVO1b4 I could swear I've seen other versions dramatized, too. Any clues?
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
And generalising that it's for one audience is a bit dumb anyway. Doctor Who is all over the shop in tone, and no two episodes are the same. You have adventure type stuff like Curse of the Black Spot for 'kids' and then there's The Girl Who Waited which my mum likes. And then there's stuff like The Doctor's Wife which is definitely not just for kids and would be a shame if was only seen by kids, which it isn't.
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
Honestly, what do those comments actually add to the conversation other than trying to piss off people?
Aug. 9, 2012, 2 p.m. CST
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
It's a docu-drama. So...big difference.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
Thanks, but no thanks. See you in the docbacks.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST
before he regenerated into John Robinson and then Alec Clunes. I'm sure Nigel Kneale would claim differently, that William Hartnell was the fourth Quatermass.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST
Gatiss gets rewarded with this job after that "any old f**ker with an Equity card" dig at certain lead actors in that 'incredibly hilarious' Doctor Who Night sketch back in 1999? Disgraceful.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
by rakesh patel
quick google search. interesting, well interesting to me considering it was the 60's and for an indian to get a directing gig must have been nigh on impossible.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST
No, Gatiss gets rewarded with this gig after cocreating, producing and cowriting the award winning Sherlock. He has apologized for the comment, and most people are willing to forgive him for it.
Aug. 9, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST
That was truly excellent. And the acting spot on.
Aug. 9, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST
And he can apologise all he wants, he showed his colours.
Aug. 9, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST
If you actually bother reading the Docbacks I'm posting there whether or not you're there. Merrick, can you have a talk with Lordoflight about proper behavior in the forums?
Aug. 9, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
We shouldn't have to have the DocBack courtesy rules in order to behave civilly here, should we? Disappointed.
Aug. 9, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I see what you're getting at doctortom, about them not commissioning a season until 7 starts airing, but the hink with that is we just went through all sorts of scheduling disruption last year so that Who could air in the autumn instead of the spring, so if they still plan to air more than half the episodes in february or march then what was the point of all that? There was also that quote from Matt Smith recently, sorry I don't have it handy, where he mentioned that there would be no season 8 until 2014, just the run-off of season 7 and some specials. Not sure if he meant specials like the tennant 2009 specials, or just stuff like the gatiss documentary.
Aug. 9, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
I agree with what you're saying about the scheduling disruptions. I'm not saying that there won't be shenanigans with things (especially given the mention of specials, which suggests that the schedule might go out the window anyway.). I'm just saying that we don't need to panic just yet. Viewing the BBC with suspicion, yes, that's fine. Getting upset if they don't announce anything by the time we see the Ponds leave? Sure. I just think there's still a month or two before we all start getting out the pitchforks. with the multiple specials, I imagine it just matters how many specials are involved, when in 2014 it starts and how many episodes are involved. If it's 2 or 3 specials followed by a full season of 13 starting very early 2014 I wouldn't be too unhappy with that (I also don't expect this to be the case). If it's 4 specials over a year's period and Season 8 starts in the fall of 2014 I'll be disappointed with the bean counters at BBC.
Aug. 9, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't be something big in November 2013 (the actual anniversary). It does feel like drip feeding, but I don't have too much of a problem with it. Drip feeding is better than nothing at all...
Aug. 9, 2012, 5:20 p.m. CST
And I don't think it will be, anymore than the bean counters caused the last run of specials. They WANT to pay for Doctor Who. It gets ratings, it gets high audience appreciation figures, and it's a gold mine for Worldwide. Now obviously they'd like to save costs where they can, but a year of specials hits them in the DVD revenue department, if nothing else. Whether they call the stuff we get in the fall of 2013 specials or S8 doesn't matter to any of us, of course, so long as we get the content. One idea that I know for a fact is being considered -- CONSIDERED, note -- is a set of specials in late 2013 that more or less equate to 5 or 6 "normal" episodes in terms of length (e.g. 3 90 minute specials). Fewer individual items, yes, but just as much screen time. I think Moffat is thinking of those as specials and then "S8" as the normal-length stuff we'd get in early 2014. Whether that's how the BBC refers to them going forward is anyone's guess (assuming this scenario plays out). They are also considering an ADDITIONAL "special" for the summer, irrespective of whether we get specials in the fall or normal episodes. And you can expect foreshadowing in S7, particularly in the second half (early 2013), for the events of the anniversary. Right now, the BBC is absolutely intending to air more Doctor Who in 2013 than would be aired in a normal, FULL season. But until plans are announced, etc., things can change.
Aug. 9, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Fits with what Moffat said a while back that he thinks Who should always be an event, and so seemed to be pushing towards more the format that Sherlock follows I don't happen to agree with Moffat on either the sentiment or the content volume in this case, but I do understand what he's getting at Personally I think a big part of what makes Dr Who work is the idea that you can watch 13 episodes in a season and each one feels like a completely new show, new setting, new tone, limitless possibilities. event format captures that less to me, and I prefer the bread and butter of a usual season, with a story arc layered in the background, like seasons 1-5
Aug. 9, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I'm sure regardless of the amount of episodes and the scheduling, whatever we get will likely be fun in it's own right. I'm just being a nitpicky geek for discussions sake
Aug. 9, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
Would up the aniticipation for me if they aired a new epi once-a-month as opposed to a batch of six here, a batch of six there ( or eight, whatever ). Course i still have a Christmas epi on my DVR I haven't watched yet.
Aug. 9, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
I was already thinking that anyways, I don't get the station dr Who airs on in Canada so I'd have to torrent it I'll probably end up having to wait til December 2013, but might be worth it in the long run to be able to just sit back and watch the whole season in HD
Aug. 9, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST
..however a couple of his episodes.... lol Nah, he's not so bad. And he has done a fantastic job with Sherlock. But boy, that comment/line really was NASTY. It is good that he removed it. It was the right thing to do. All of those actors have been fine , respected performers. It was a cheap dig and he removed it. A lot of people in comedy would just say stuff it, deal with it. It's a joke. He didn't. He gets some credit for that. I can understand why some would not forgive him for it though.
Aug. 10, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST
...I like the guy as an actor, even if he often doesn't show a lot of range, and I like the guy's enthusiasm for the properties, but as a writer it rarely translates, and I honestly dread the day of him ever being chosen as Who's showrunner. At this point it just feels like he's hitched a free ride along on the waves of Moffat's success more than anything, and the fact that he's written two Who eps for the upcoming split season doesn't exactly inspire confidence either.
Aug. 10, 2012, 2:57 a.m. CST
If we compare DOCTOR WHO with its two spinoffs, it's clear that SARAH JANE ADVENTURES is for children (which is not to say that adults can't enjoy it) and that TORCHWOOD is for adults. No one ever debates whether those are kids' shows or not; one clearly is and one clearly isn't. DOCTOR WHO, by contrast, looks like an adult show if you compare it to SJA, and looks like a children's show if you compare it to TORCHWOOD, because it really is a third thing (call it "family show" or whatever you like); it appeals to both children and adults, without either of those appeals being secondary. (Of course some episodes are geared a bit more for adults (e.g. "The Girl Who Waited") and others a bit more for children (e.g. anything involving the Slitheen).)
Aug. 10, 2012, 3 a.m. CST
quote:: I like the guy as an actor, even if he often doesn't show a lot of range ::unquote Doesn't show a lot of range? I'd have thought he was one of the more versatile actors, with an astonishing ability to disappear into a role. Just compare his appearances in SHERLOCK, JEKYLL, DOCTOR WHO, and PITCH OF FEAR.
Aug. 10, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST
Range of characters and range of actual performances are two very different things, and I just personally find him usually rather one note as an actor in most things, even if I don't mind that particular note, per se. I just don't see a lot of variation in most of his performances, he most of the time just seems like slight variations on standard Mark Gatiss to me. Feel free to disagree though, that's cool. We all have different likes and tastes and whatnot.
Aug. 10, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Which is what seperates something like... the majoirty of Pixar films from something like Pokemon Something can be enjoyable for both kids and adults without being just aimed at kids Personally I don't think of Doctor who as a kids show, due to the level of violence, especially in the RTD years, although I know a lot of parents don't care if they're kids see violence as long as there's no sex/nudity. So I think most would group it as a family show, or a show for all ages. For those calling it a saturday morning kids show, do you consider Star Trek a kids show?
Aug. 10, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
I see what you're saying. Bean counters might be coming into it somewhat, though, by saying "Here's a lump sum for Doctor Who for a year," with Moffat going "Crikey! How am I supposed to do what I want with THAT amount?!?" It might be that doing a fewer, longer specials might work better than 6 episode. That goes back to the Pertwee days of why they were doing so many longer stories vs. a lot more 4 parters. Even there, though, when Hinchcliff and Holmes took over they went with more stories, so it does come down to how the production team wants to handle the money being given to them. On your suppositions, Bytor, it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that Season 14 is short if they go that way, essentially treating the specials and the regular episodes as a season overall. Show the regular episodes early 2014, then make a decision whether to do 13 regular length episodes or repeat doing fewer, longer "special" episodes at the end of 2014 with regular length episodes for season 9 early 2015. This would be a way for Moffat to kind of eat his cake and have it too. (Harlan Ellison did a wonderful riff on why the phrase should be said that way on an episode of Sci Fi Buzz, back when Sci Fi Channel actually carried a NASA show, and Sci Fi Buzz was just about the extent of their original programming except for a quick "News from the Future" type blipvert they could slot in for about 30 seconds during a late showing of Quantum Leap. But I digress. Where was I? Oh, anyway....) Moffat said he wanted to treat every episode like a miniblockbuster. Doing some specials of longer length will give him more money for that story relatively, with the same sets, so he could make those feel more like miniblockbusters. He can get that in the fall and into Christmas, then go a batch of regular episodes that will air weekly so that if he runs an arc through the season details won't be forgotten as easily as they would when you have the longer periods of time between specials.
Aug. 10, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
I'll grant you that Gatiss' Hounds of Baskerville story was the weakest of Season 2. It wasn't bad, it was just sandwiched in between two episodes that were excellent. Most people, though, found his story for season 1 very good. He did well writing Moriarty there. I think you're the first person who thought the Blind Banker story was better than Gatiss' story. Oh well, different people, different tastes. As for him writing Doctor Who, I'll agree that he hasn't had a story that hits it out of the park yet. He's probably the new series equivalent of Bob Baker & Dave Martin - competent but not usually putting out a story that makes people go "wow, that was great.". Strangely, Victory of the Daleks has grown on me the more I've watched it. (At this point I'm okay with ignoring the plot illogic around how fast they upgraded the Spitfire, and it's only the hunchback on the Daleks that annoys me - and that wasn't his fault.) I suspect that he might have a really good story in him, though. Perhaps if he could adapt his story Nightshade for the current Doctor he'd finally get an episode that people really liked.
Aug. 10, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST
There's no doubt in my mind that Moffat has to work hard to get what he needs out of his no-doubt-tight budget. And I'm sure that whatever money he's been given for the anniversary is far less than he wants. :) Double-length specials may save some money on sets, but overall I wouldn't expect them to save much, and you could always do two-parters if you want that anyway. If anything he seems to be leaning away from those. Well, we shall see. My suspicion is that it won't be much longer before we start hearing about anniversary plans in a bit more detail.
Aug. 10, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
Seriously sick of him constantly being involved in Who. If he isn't acting in it, he's writing it or riding on Moffat's coattails. The guy is just not that talented. He was the weak link of the League of Gentlemen, he's a DREADFUL Mycroft Holmes, he was awful in The Lazarus Experiment, he gave us Victory of the Daleks, Night Terrors & The Idiot's Lantern - all of which were dreadful. I'll give him The Unquiet Dead, but grudgingly because RTD had a lot of the input into why that one worked (read his book for proof). Not to mention his reworking of Hound of the Baskervilles was pish as well. I've a fiver says he'll give himself at least one of the parts in this. I love Doctor Who, but I'm starting to think this eejit & Moffat are doing more harm than good.
Aug. 10, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST
I thought that was the Mighty Boosh.
Aug. 11, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
it does what it needs to do with introducing the daleks to a new audience (since a LOT of people jumped on with series 5), churchill is great, the scientist is endearing, WW2 era stuff is always fun, and the Dalek serving Tea in a sinister fashion is great. But then hey, I'm probably the only one who thinks Dalek's in Manhatten is brilliant
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