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Ben Affleck For JUSTICE LEAGUE?
Nordling here.
As Ron Burgundy can attest, like milk on a hot summer day, this is a bad choice. Okay, it's not bad for JUSTICE LEAGUE, but it would be bad for Ben Affleck, who, frankly, is better than this as a director at this point. Variety is reporting that Warner Brothers wants Affleck to direct their JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, and possibly to star in it as well.
With the Whedon announcement on AVENGERS 2 yesterday, WB must be very antsy indeed to get this franchise off the ground. Reports are that Affleck is the only director that the studio is showing Will Beall's script to right now, and he should be talking with the upper management in the next few days about the project, if the article is accurate.
Here's the thing - I think Affleck's too good for this. As a director, he's made some fantastic movies. His next, ARGO, looks to continue with that streak. As much as I'd like to see a good JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, so far the gritty movies that Affleck has made don't seem to have that kind of vibe.
Honestly? WB should build up and have Ben Affleck direct the Batman reboot. Have Affleck direct a new Batman movie with his own personal stamp, away from Nolan's and build from that. Perhaps something similar to the animated series? Affleck's directorial skills would work in that way, in my opinion. Wait a few years and build the roster up. Sure, Marvel did it already with THE AVENGERS, but they were SMART in doing that - it wasn't a gimmick. People had become familiar with the characters, and more importantly, with the actors playing them. I think it would be smart to do the same with JUSTICE LEAGUE. But, if the script works, Ben Affleck may want to go ahead, and if so, more power to him. He's a terrific director, and he's earned a major franchise like this.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST
What does this mean for THE STAND? Or is he not doing that?
by Robert Evans
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Should be Gabriel Macht.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
Maybe this is their way to keep that Mann-ish, Nolan-esque vibe going with their universe?
by Robert Evans
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
Look at these morose motherfuckers. Looks like somebody shit in your cereal.
by Tell_Your_Mom_I_Said_Hi
Bongggggg!
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Faraci said the same thing. Yet, why is THE AVENGERS good for Whedon? Or the Batman films for Nolan? Baloney. You want the best people working on a film, regardless of the material. The best people can ELEVATE certain material.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST
Stanley Kubrick was *too good* for a Stephen King adaptation.
by Robert Evans
Sheesh.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
Oh God, this guy who likes to put his lulla in everyone's anus is back
by ajit maholtra
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a chain smoking, bitch-slapping, blow job demanding, hard drinking out of control tempermental Nazi bent on world domination - I'd pay to see that
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
Perhaps Warner Bros will say "Do this and you can then make any movie you want"
by jellypop
I don't think he'll do it.
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Only do, or do not.
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Only Zuul.
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and what's this nonsense about Affleck being too good for a Justice League movie? No one is too good for a Justice League movie. The real question is, is there any director today worthy of a Justice League movie?
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And hello good buddies too.
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Anything they do with the league will be considered as a Clone of the Avengers. If they go with a story with the antagonists being the white Martians or Darkseid will immediately draw comparisons. What version of the League they go with will also be important. Marvel have taken Favreu's lead and gone with a scientific and slight real world feel. Will DC/Warner copy or go ballsy and have the likes of Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and, given current exploration of Mars, the Martian Manhunter. They could take a different tack and try a series and introduce 2 or 3 characters at time. I don't know why, but I just cannot be excited for this.
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Direct? Yes. Star? Fuck no. He already killed Daredevil. That said, he couldn't be worse than Ryan Reynolds I suppose.
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but have him cameo like his running gag in Ted.
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They need to follow the Marvel Model and make numerous successful stand-alone movies starring the main Justice League characters: Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Green Lantern, Flash, etc, etc. A Justice League movie made before establishing other independent characters and movies might risk Justice League failing as a franchise. I like Affleck much as a director, but this idea seems premature.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
Why not? The Town was very well directed and Affleck has proven himself.
by Quake II
He's a better choice than some of these other names I've heard thrown around. Look at Len Wiseman, Brett Ratner, Mark Steven Johnson etc. Affleck has proven he's a better director than many of these so called "Hollywood veterans" and he could turn in an amazing Justice League. He's friends with comic fanboy Kevin Smith (love him or hate him, Smith truly loves comics) and seems to take his directing gigs seriously (Gone Baby Gone). Fuck it, let Affleck direct.
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Like Whedon, he seems good with larger casts. I don't see a problem with this.
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....TO SUCK?? Seriously, I love pretty much everything Snyder has done. Yes Watchmen. Yes, even Sucker Punch. Say what you will. But judging from that little trailer alone, Man of Steel looks really shitty. And doesn't DC sort of have to wait and see how that pans out before they make a JL decision?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
I keep hoping this JL idea will float way like Gump's feather. If Afleck is gonna direct a superhero flick, let it be Daredevil. Wouldn't that be interesting?
by MiggsFacial
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Too good for what? The multi-million dollar payday? Like he'll turn that down.
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Would be just like Nolan's in its visuals. Affleck would probably produce leaner, tighter movies. Nolan kind of overwhelms the viewer with so much shit that you don't realize a lot of it is nonsensical until it's over (at least since The Dark Knight this has been his MO). Affleck's movies would likely have less gaping holes of logic in them, but they would be entirely similar in tone and style. I like Affleck as a director. Didn't much care for Gone Baby Gone but The Town was pretty damn good. I don't see this as a good fit for him.
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Well...what do you think?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
Why with every reboot do we have to have an origin story?
by Smarty_Feldman
I mean, seriously...comics don't do it.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
Affleck is a better director than actor and that's NOT a putdown.
by Quake II
I have way more respect for directors than actors. Directors are the true talent behind great movies. Let Nolan produce, Affleck direct and create a badass Justice League movie that brings the DC Universe alive. Just make sure they don't save the earth from faceless reptile lizard-aliens on flying jet skis by destroying a mothership. I saw that plot already....8 times in 8 different movies since 1993.
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It could work.
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No wait - I don't actually care.
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You know, the one called... HEAT. The similarities are ridiculous.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
Like it, yet i prefer George Miller to get the call again.
by hallmitchell
I would love to see a George Miller comic book film.
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I think WB are afraid of making standalone Wonder Woman, Flash and Aquaman movies first and believe that approach too risky. They want those characters to gain popularity through a JL movie. Flash is a risk after Green Lantern, Wonder Woman has a woman in it. Aquaman is Aquaman. I wonder what the script by Will Beal is like. He wrote "Gangster Squad" and was/is a crime novelist, maybe they think the tone does suit Affleck's style.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
Who would have thought after the whole GIGLI/Bennifer fiasco that Ben Affleck would turn out to be a really good director?
by Mr. Pricklepants
And no, Ben Affleck is not too good for JUSTICE LEAGUE. No director is. This is supposed to be a really big movie. WB/DC's answer to THE AVENGERS.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
Lets just have Affleck continue Nolans universe and do The Dark Knight Returns.
by kindofabigdeal
JGL, if Bales not game cast a slightly older Wayne. (Daniel Day Lewis?) Me thinks there is potential. As far as JL goes, don't know if I can see him pull it off. He hasn't directed anything with special effects yet so he should put something under his belt before given him the mother of all DC franchises. How about we let him do the Stand with those limited special effects, let him work with an ensemble cast. (he's done that before) See if he gets the overall feel and vibe of the book. If so then let him loose on JL. In the meantime do stand alone movies for your JL lineup. (at least reboot or incorporate Bats, run with Supes, and give us a sequel to GL that kicks the firsts ass) You already have the universe to play in. You just gotta tie it all together. Oh yeah, Armie Hammer for Flash.
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Probably for the best, that book needs to be three movies. If done properly, it could be amazing.
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They're just going to jump out of the gate with Justice League without building their hero catalog first? That's a big mistake, especially when JL mainstays like Wonder Woman haven't been established on film at all, and Batman still needs a JL-friendly reboot. I mean, I never had any faith that a Justice League movie was going to work anyway, but this just further leads me to believe that this project is doomed before it's even started.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST
Nordling: Assuming you want to see a good Justice League movie surely no director is too good to direct.
by Pigdog
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Seriously, we don't need a total reboot. Go with the base that Nolan has laid out.
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You're slipping people. Let's get it together.
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Perfect cameo for Affleck. Ideal movie league- Superman Batman Green Lantern(John Stewart) Aquaman Flash Red Tornado Wonder Woman No Arrow or Canary, or specifically Arrow with Canary as that's just too close to Hawkeye and Widow. Throw in a Lobo cameo or set up as a hired gun who does the right thing in the end and he's set for his movie. Have Hugo Strange as the antagonist, bringing a rogues gallery together to take the heroes down one by one in the beginning. Have Form become Ocean Master. Have Lex find Black Adam. Please, introduce a mythology that crosses paths with every hero in the roster and don't kill any villains.
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Yeah, Affleck doesn't have the effects experience. I don't think they will wait for Affleck to do something like The Stand to get more effects experience. JLA does seem more of a priority now, what with all the Avengers success. I think it's just that Affleck is the first person they're going to, but then they'll just quickly move on to someone else if it doesn't work out.
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I will wait until Man of Steel comes out before I judge that idea, but I think it's going to require a reboot. Who wants Robin in the Justice League? (Figuratively speaking).
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST
What if Super... erm, Man of Steel underperforms next year?
by hank henshaw
I believe The Avengers was a game-changer for the superhero movie genre. Will people turn in crowds to watch (another) humorless, depressing Superman movie? Just because that worked for Batman it doesn't mean it will translate well for the rest of the DC heroes. WB=morons.
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Affleck could work as director, he's not a terrible choice although he is a strange one ... feels like a big name grab by DC for publicity, especially if they get him to start as well - which, by the way, I'm really not sold on. I'm really not sure DC even have the chops to pull this off at all ... Marvel are a very different beast, they've been savvy the whole way along, making the right directing and casting choices, nurturing their properties, weaving the magic and building to the awesome Avengers event - the whole thing had my geek pants moist since forever, I loved the whole path to glory. DC, meh, the blew it with Green Lantern, they got lucky with Nolan and Batman ... but that's a Batman that most definitely sits outside the DC superverse ... a Justice League universe needs a different type of Batman, and I'm not sure where Cavill's Superman wuold fit. I agree an individual movie build may be an advisable route to take, but I don't see how they can work Batman into that so far after Nolan's trilogy ... rather I think they may deliberately take an alternate route to Marvel to avoid unhealthy Avengers comparisons, and run with a the full Justice League movie from the get go, with NO Batman in the first one, have Cavill's Superman and Reynold's Lantern be the franchise faces that link the thing, and introduce a whole slew of new characters like Wonder Woman, Hawkman, the Atom, and so on ... and THEN see how it's received and use that as a springboard for individual movies for core characters ... do it in reverse ... then introduce Batman in the 2nd movie, and relaunch the Batfranchise thereafter. Like I say, Justice League has a lot to live up to if it's to compete with the Avengers and I'll eat my own ass if they pull it off.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST
I've only seen affleck do slice of life Boston based films, not sure if he has the range to go outsside his comfort zone.
by MST3KPIMP
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That script was awful. You do not want to see that film. It had pieces that everyone wants, but was poorly put together and I don't care to see my superheroes chilling at a diner for half the movie. It felt like a CW version of Justice League. Call it Dawson's League.
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Can't leave out the origin story part. It makes the movie even more humorless and depressing when you've seen and read multiple versions of it over the years. 33.2% more humorless and depressing if the Spider-Man trend holds true.
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Damn you predictive text
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... I hope there's a giant spider in it!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST
too good for the material?? ummm didn't christopher nolan direct a couple batman movies?
by la te ral us
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Do you want an average director tackling this material? I feel Affleck has a lot more to prove. He's still in the infancy of a directing career. Be sure and wipe your chin when you're finished.
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At least he seems to have some skills and good instincts behind the camera.
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WB will probably use JLA to reboot the Batman character. Just not reference Nolan's storyline/arc and just have Batman dealing with the plot in JLA. Then deal with his own story in his own movie. (Like they did with Thor and Cap etc. in Avengers.) I think WB are going to go all "gritty" and "serious" with all their superhero properties, so JL will probably be very different in tone to Avengers.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST
So Affleck is better than Joss Whedon, Christopher Nolan, Kenneth Branagh, etc...??
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Why? Because he made a couple of competent small-scale crime films? Whoopee. Gotta love the hypocritical pseudo-snobbery of some geeks (Devin Faraci is a prime example). News for you: it doesn't make you look 'cool' or credible, just like an ass.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST
After The Town I will watch anything this man puts on screen.
by A_J_Pennypacker
The Town is seriously the best crime movie since Heat. Yes better then The Departed. I wonder if they are going to try and distance themselves from Bat-Nolan they will not focus on Batman and maybe focus more on Snyderman?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
Affleck is indeed a good director. Actor too. I loved him in "Role Models."
by The Reluctant Austinite
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...Thanks for giving me the afternoon giggles buddy. I needed that!
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He's already directed Jon Hamm and Bryan Cranston - there's your classic Bruce Wayne and Gordon, right there. And he probably learned valuable lessons on Daredevil.
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i think he needs more experience before jumping into something this big. And yes, I actually would enjoy an Affleck-directed Batman. I don't think it would be a Nolanesque Batman because Affleck's "gritty" is reminiscent of Michael Mann, not Nolan. In any event he has far more heart than Nolan. The only man I would trust 100% with a JL movie is Brad Bird and you know this is completely the right choice.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST
For the record, I liked him in Chasing Amy. I just dont think he has a superhero quality to him. At all. He's very....suburban everyday man.
by wcolbert
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all they need to do is start the movie with an establishing shot and have a voice over say "...meanwhile at the Hall of Justice." It would be on par with DC anyways.
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I agree with your post re the logic of a JL movie. We must all remember that the only reason it was possible was that Iron Man was such a massive breakthrough crossover hit. I mean Captain America and Thor were ok, but people only really watched those because of the whole build up to the Avengers, and nobody would have been excited about the Avengers in the first place had it not been for Iron Man and RDJ kicking so much ass in that first Iron Man movie. DC doesn't have that, because Superman is untested (and won't do well, no matter how good the film is - he just lacks the cool factor I think) and Nolan Batman, the prime ticketseller for any JLA movie, is no more. If I were Warner, I'd go for a new Batman flick first before trying for JL. As things stand nobody would give a shit, unless Man of Steel performs beyond our wildest dreams.
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All they have to do is show that supervillains around the world are proving to be too much for superheroes to deal with individually, especially after some supervillains begin to team up together. You can have Gordon and/or others tracking down Wayne and pleading with him to come back, to come "out of retirement." Bring in Cavil's SM and Reynolds GL, and fans don't feel like they need to wait 2 to 3 years for a multi-hero separate movie build-up. Just because Gotham happened to be a dark city doesn't mean the rest of the world is that way, so there's no reason that this Batman can't "fit" into a JL movie. Ideally, WW deserves her own film and it's a travesty they have yet to get that off the ground. The other heroes can wait for their own individual films, although if they want to tackle Aquaman, that guy from Entourage can't be too busy right about now! ;-P
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:18 p.m. CST
The whole 'too good' mentality is the kind of idiotic bullshit worldview that gets us shafted by so many shitty
by Stegman84
The problem isn't a director being 'too good' to make this kind of film, the problem is not enough good, quality, talented and interesting directors are being given the reigns to films like these to begin with. Instead we get stuck with the 'on time and on budget' no vision by-the-numbers hacks far too often, and that invariably gives us something that is watchable, yet almost instantly forgettable at best, or, at worst, lifeless, soulless, hollow and vapid pieces of paint by numbers eye candy that neither thrill nor entice. And that is why 90%+ of all such films in the last decade or so have been utter crap. We need more quality directors tackling tentpole blockbusters, not less. All that said, if Affleck was to take such a film on, let's try and keep him behind the camera, eh?
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...the one that's resurrected his showbiz career with moody little crime films set in Boston? To structure and helm an effects heavy production hoping to rival Marvel's superhero film empire in adventure and scope? ...tHaT guy? If your goal is to finish before you even start, as Gustavo Fring once said "DO IT".
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Him and Damon are worshipped by the critics when they do vanity projects. In the Town Affleck portrays himself as a romantic tough guy hero who gets to have sex with the 2 hottest leading ladies, then everybody dies at the end but him and the last shot is him on a boat dock gazing into the sunset...and you all line up to start sucking his cock as being a "great" director who is too good for Justice League??? No body said Kenneth Branagh was "too good" for Thor and he has a far and away more impressive resume. Look at Damon in Good Will Hunting. He's portrayed as a romantic tough guy genius who is smarter than everyone at a college university and has somehow memorized every page of their textbooks...puleez. And he gets to have sex alot with the hot chick. For some reason that's an oscar worthy performance. I'm not saying these guys suck, I'm saying they are full of themselves. Stop kissing their ass.
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Is WB in panic-mode with Marvel riding its successful wave of directors, writers, actors, and films? I know they are trying to not seem like they are copying Marvel's strategy, but it's a good one and you're only fast tracking this due to the success of the Avengers. Superman Returns and Green Lantern were horrible and bombed ... well, Returns was ok but was depressing as hell and needed to move on from the shadow of Donner. Man of Steel looks decent so far. One of the many reasons The Avengers was so successful (besides that fact they had the fantastic writer/director/geek Joss Whedon) was because the anticipation was built up over 5 years. To rush a JLA movie, you'll probably make X3 money at best (I have nothing to back that up) which is ok. More importantly, it'll probably won't be very good ... Ben Affleck is evidence of this. Joss Whedon >> Ben Affleck. Really WB? That's the best you can do? Let's just say I do not have much faith in WB's decision-making skills ... I wonder if DC Comics have a voice in any of this. Do a Flash, Wonder Woman (think Xena armor/sword and Thor; first woman superhero on the big screen in a long time ... don't even mention Halle's Catwoman), and Cyborg (hi-tech/urban/DC's Ironman) movie first ... little iffy on that last one, but I couldn't think of another one. Then JLA. Then reboot Batman (Arkham City/Animated Series style), Man of Steel 2. You're welcome. None of the other JLA members would work too well in their own movie at this point - Green Lantern (reboot is too soon), Martian Manhunter (hard to identify with), Aquaman (expensive and not popular). Don't worry about the copying Marvel thing. Just do it better. C'mon WB ... get it together!
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Have Brad Bird do Justice League. Or heck why not Spielberg? Having Affleck do JL just feels rushed, and so so wrong.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST
Obviously going for gritty not popcornish fun like Avengers
by donkingkong
Popcornish (did I just coin that?)
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Yeah, actually, why don't they just do a Dark Knight Returns movie with some older actor like Liam Neeson as Batman and Ralph Fiennes as the Joker, and then instead of a JL movie do a Kingdom Come movie where we could finally get Jim Caviezel as Superman (still in my opinion the only guy who could have reached Chris Reeve's awesome heights- just watch Thin Red Line and Count of Montecristo)? I mean you're not going to be able to avoid comparisons with Nolan's Batman and Ledger's Joker unless you go with something different, so DKR seems to fit well, and once you're going with old-timers, might as well do Kingdom Come as the JL movie.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Marvel NEEDED to establish the universe... it was relatively unknown.
by DougMcKenzie
Even after all the success of Avengers, more people know who Batman and Superman are as characters, then Ironman or Thor. Marvel needed to get the names out there. DC just has to say Superman and Batman and they are off and running. Wonder Woman and Flash aren't known on the screen, but did well enough on TV. Green Lantern was a big screw-up as a tentpole film, but I think Reynolds can salvage the character under more effective direction. Honestly, I am curious as shit now about the direction of this endeavour. With Snyder projecting Superman as being a Mallick Tone Poem with that trailer, and with the Nolan completed Batman trilogy, it looks like DC has gone a significantly different way than Marvel (Its movie's being action-comedies), and gone with a serious dramatic and adult bent. Affleck brings dramatic cred, as Gone Baby Gone and The Town are top notch films filled, with great performances from people I didn't expect to bring it. Argo is a much larger film in terms of ambition and scope than either of his other films and by all accounts is another winner. If Whedon does direct in the tone of Spielberg/Lucas and that established the flow of the Marvel universe (as contained at Disney), and then Affleck directs more like Mann/Scorsese. I think WB can differentiate the product enough to accomplish the $1Bil World Wide B.O. they are aiming for without having to take five years to start over. I think Affleck can do this (I don't know what role he would play outside of Bruce Wayne if he is starring... maybe the villian?). I think he at least has certainly earned the consideration.... and please keep Mark Steven Johnson the fuck away from this.
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For fuck's sake, keep that cunt away from it.
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I for one wanted to see Affleck direct a script idea I had where Stanley Kubrick was hired by the Government and NASA to direct a fake moon landing. ALAS, he came up with something similar in tone. Too bad. Affleck is a great director, VERY underrated and I don't want to see him sinking to the level of a Justice League movie. FUCK THAT!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST
you guy are project way too many false problems on to this
by TheAwareness
marvels strategy was genius. but lets not expect every comic book film franchise should be shackled into to following in that exact mold,that would be boring..no way they cant kick start those characters solo efforts by starting with a grand re-introduction to them im not sure about who ben affleck would play,but i hope 2 god its not batman..plastic man would be nice though
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST
you guys are projecting way too many false problems onto this.
by TheAwareness
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But not star in it. The material is RIGHT UP HIS ALLEY. He could make a Daredevil film akin to the Dark Night.
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Or in a few years? Really? There was almost universal consensus that the spider-man reboot was unnecessary when we all finally found out the 4th film with Raimi wasn't happening and that they'd be rebooting instead. Production started less than 3 years after the last film finished its run in the theater I believe. Now, we're actually wanting reboots so quickly? No. I'd love a Justice League movie - I'd love to see more Joker, one of my all-time favorite villains, I'd love to see many of the DC roster given the respect and love that the fans and some of the movies have demonstrated. But reboot Batman in a few years prior to a movie about Flash? Or Wonder-Woman? We may be getting a freakin Ant-Man movie from Marvel for panty's sake...can't we at least get a little Martian Manhunter or a better version of Green Lantern? And maybe Darksied? The modern Braniac? Affleck is running a fantastic average at this point. I'm thrilled to be proven wrong thinking he was the untalented half of the Oscar for Good Will Hunting and I think his directorial sensibilities (what I've seen) would fit with a more personal, single-character storyline in the DC universe so I agree he shouldn't do a JLA movie but can we please get something else other than the same 3 or 4 primary heroes again and again and again and again? If we do that and pay out the wazoo in the process - you can bank on the studios rapidly moving in the direction of least resistance - trilogy reboots of the same character with 2 or 3 years between them. Sounds extreme but if they make it, and you pay to see it, and enough of you pay to see it, they'll do it again and again as long as its easy and profitable. Quality will suffer - no way to avoid it and even if it doesn't - why the fuck would anyone want to see the same characters in a new franchise every few years? Scott Mendelson wrote something up about this when Amazing Spiderman came out - how if it was hugely successful then you can count on the studios looking to replicate that pattern (what else would they do) forever (he actually hoped it failed even if it was good for these reasons). I mentioned it in another thread and people said it wouldn't happen but if Batman has a new trilogy within the next 3-5 years - then it just happened again folks.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
F**K this 'reboot' S**T. We know who these characters are. Just take them in stride, honor the source material & tell a good F****N story!
by Prague23
The Amazing Spider-Man - almost RUINED by the reboot. It should have been made no differently than The Incredible Hulk. Just start a story and go. We f****n know who the character is! The Avengers didn't start with 'rebooting' the characters. That film just went... GO! Big time. Great. I'm sure I'll dislike the new Superman too. Hollywood DOES NOT KNOW MORE THAN THE WRITERS OF THE COMICS. DO NOT CHANGE THE STORY. TAKE IT IN STRIDE. Just create ONE FILM with the POTENTIAL for a sequel (or trilogy) but that can stand on it's own. Then, the 2nd film has more of an 'open ending.' Then you follow it up with a grand finale that, unlike current trends, doesn't RUIN THE ENTIRE TRILOGY LIKE... Raimi's Spider-man, The Matrix, The Godfather, (arguably) Nolan's Batman, Austin Powers, Rocky, Blade, Hellraiser, Jurassic Park & X-MEN. Don't make me go on!!!
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One of the few good things in the film (hated Farrel as Irish Bullseye - who should have been an asshole ex-baseball star as in the comics, and don't get me started on how shitty a Kingpin Duncan was and how horrible a choice Garner was for Electra). Pretty much the perfect Matt Murdock. A toned down Bullseye, a Kingpin more like the comic, an ethnic looking and angry Electra, and a shitload of ninjas would have made the film a no-brainer that would be on it's 3rd sequel by now.
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Save the Batman family, i'm not a huge DC guy (die hard Marvel) but I would like to see a good, camp free Justice League. I also, through good and bad have been a longtime Affleck supporter. But this doesn't seem like the right fit. I could be wrong. DC's main problem is aside from Batman and kind of with Superman, its characters are garish, childish, camp and silly. From the names to the costumes. Who the hell wants to be called the Green Lantern? Yeah I could kick your arse...don't mind that i'm named after a lamp. And a green one at that. Ugh.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST
they should give each jla hero their own movie first. hahahahahahaha!!!!!!
by undead_uncle_ben
nuff said!
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He's proven himself as a good director. I just think he should build up the characters in other films like Marvel did. Even on TV shows if they can. He has a headstart: he's already a fanboy! PS: I remember when Michael Keaton was chosen as Batman for the movie. Everybody hated the idea, then they loved him.
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He proved himself with The Town. I believe he has it in him to do another large ensemble cast, with himself starring in a role as well. The question is, does DC have the idea to make Nolan their Kevin Feige? I'm not sure if that's what they want to do. Regardless, if it's not Nolan, they need to find someone--not a committee--to define the continuity of projects and then commit as to what will constitute their cannon. Batman could be problematic, as that was a closed story. Re-doing him now might create some fan skepticism (as was the case with re-booting Spiderman). Aside from that, there's the team itself. Superman and Batman are givens. Who else? Green Lantern was a disaster but Reynolds in an ensemble cast as comic relief might work. Wonder Woman? Martian Manhunter? Flash? These are all ify, but it could be done. The smart money would say, use Superman as the base for this new universe and establish continuity right from the beginning.
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Not to do Batman, as one of the Top grossing movies of all time no one needs to reboot Batman any time soon. Focus on the main members get a Flash movie, A Wonder Woman, maybe a valid sequel to the Green lantern featuring martian manhunter. Then Bring them all together in the JL movie featuring a new Batman. Then a New Batman movie, either in the same year or the next.
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...if the plan is to incorporate Cavil's superman into the JL movie. Have WB ever confirmed this?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST
whats with this too good talk..sounds like some of u are riding a high house down a low road with that talk..if anything thinh affleck sould thank the gods the warners are waving their dick his way at all,
by TheAwareness
George miller should be making this,,and that leaked script written by the mulroneys was a very early draft..though i will admit seeing a brain washed superman take on the league was incredible to read thru,a fight for the ages if it ever saw celluloid.. flash was quite awesome in that script as well,he was the most roundly developed character out of the whoal bunch..he would have stole the movie other than that i will admit it was rubbish.but i was re-written 2 more times after that..
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Whos gonna be the fuckin Wonder Twins? Thats what I wanna know.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
But the Dubbya Bee wants their JLmovie Now!!!!! Not in 4-5 years. NOW!!!!!!!!!
by moorE12
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Evryone in the world already knows who Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, and the Flash are. Maybe not Martian Manhunter who most definitely needs to be in movie. Any word if they'll use any of the George Miller JLA script? Heard that was a good one.
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they can be the Wonder Twins. Affleck: *I want you to know that I love you, bro, and I got your back no matter what. Nuff said.* Damon: *No doubt, bro. You and me til the wheels fall off.* *fist bump, and they both turn into purple monkeys*
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Matt Damon as Plastic Man
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Aug. 8, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST
I've said it 1000 times and I'll say it again: Batman & Superman should never be in the same movie
by cgih8r
It's purely gimmick... and that's it. Like combining Aliens with Predators. It's done because it looks cool and nothing else. When the charactes are combined the substance of each character dies. Batman would not exist if there was a Superman looking after the world. They're not even the same genre. One is a sci-fi fantasty and the other is a operatic crime drama. Why put them together? because they both wear capes?
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its like chocolate and skittles
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I'm so tired of this non-sense about how you can't make a JLA movie without building up to it. Marvel did it that way because the mainstream non-comic book reader wasn't that familiar with the story of characters like Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, Nick Fury. But everybody and their Grandmothers know who Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Flash are.
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I love JLA. LOVE. It makes me so sad as a longtime fan that a franchise combining Superman/ Batman/ Wonder Woman/ Flash/ Green Lantern/ Aquaman plays second fiddle in modern fan's minds to The Avengers which in contrast always read like trumped up overhyped stories that felt like "all-star games" to me. Maybe I'm just more of an X-Men fan in the Marvel Universe. But you know what, DC is to blame for this. It is an absolute joke that we are getting a Guardians of the Freaking Galaxy movie before a Flash/ Wonder Woman/ Aquaman film. But this is what you get DC when you MAKE A CHARACTER A JOKE IN ENTOURAGE!!!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:03 p.m. CST
Sorry. I know after the Avengers, a Justice League movie looks like a given
by Mugato5150
But Batman is (successively) over, they're trying Superman yet again and it's going to suck yet again, Wonder Woman was a TV show that was canceled before the first commercial break. The Green Lantern flopped. Aquaman is....fucking Aquaman. The JL just isn't comparable to the Avengers.
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or don't do anything, I don't care. Go fart in a balloon!
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ALL SORTS OF KICK-ASS ENSUES
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:09 p.m. CST
RE:taylor_kitschs_rectal_leprosy:is CAPTAIN AMERICA,IRONMAN, HULK any less silly...
by TheAwareness
its all in how u approach the material..no more no less.
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DC hero names are "child-ish"? I'll take Flash or Green Lantern over the more "mature" names like Ant-Man, Spider-Man, Mr. Fantastic, Iron Man, and Capt America. And The Spectre or even Dr. Fate sound cooler than "Dr. Strange"!! lol!
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Gone Baby Gone was better, because guess what Ben himself wasn't in the movie. Blake Lively was horribly miscast, Jeremy Remner was given superhuman cop-killing powers for some reason. Jon Hamm was underutilized, Rebecca Hall (the best actor of the bunch) turned in a terrific performance as somebody who would actually fall for Affleck and his myriad idiotic lies that nobody would ever believe in a trillion years.
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THEY DO NOT NEED TO "COPY" MARVEL'S PLAN. Justice League, done well, is the DADDY of all super hero films. The end. I'll be very anxious to see what they do, whether it's Affleck or not. This at least lines up with the comment from Mark Millar that what he saw of the script seemed wholly different tone-wise from The Avengers.
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Batman. Superman. Wonder Woman. Flash. He's better than that? What a load of bollocks, are you High? He's PERFECT for it! He's done superhero stuff (Daredevil and Hollywoodland) and has proven he can direct actors, which is what a JL film needs above everything else. He's likely seen what a film like Iron Man did for Favreaux and is smart to want the same. What a toy box. Better than this...sheesh...
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I think with TDKR we saw the death of this type of superhero movie... much to the chagrin of Man of Steel. Watch the numbers, Iron Man 3 will blow MoS out of the water at the box office. People do not want to see dark, brooding superhero's anymore. Much of that was a reflection of the early 2000s after 9/11, but marvel proved over the last 3 years that that era is over. I think DC needs to seriously considerer scrapping everything they have done and start from square one. Build around a new Batman franchise that is more universal. Starting it with a JL movie could work, but Ben Affleck is not the answer to me. As far as Man of Steel, DC or WB or whoever screwed the pooch on this. They failed to be original with superman... first it was, wow Xmen did well, lets get bryan singer, then it was wow batman did well lets get Chris Nolan. They failed to have a total vision. Marvel is going to be kicking their ass for years to come.
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...or maybe Brett Ratner.<p> Right?<p> Oy vey.
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He played George Reeves, but he did wear the Superman costume.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:25 p.m. CST
no way u do a JLA movie without batman..he's the gule of the team in so many ways its not even funny
by TheAwareness
plus him being the only guy with no powers holding his own amongst the "gods"is what makes the very the idea of a JLA(and a less skilled screenwriters nightmare if he can step up 2 bat (heh)and make it flow,and altogether feel transcendent) movie interesting in the first place youd kill the film if there's no batman in it, plain and simple.especially since part of the allure of a film like this is seeing diametric opposites clash and interact together for the first time on screen in live action(batman and superman).and u CAN get away with introducing the rebooted batman in JLA without a solo film beforehand..give the audience more credit than that..were practically beyond the "post modern" phase of the comic book film genre,the audience will bite, accept and savor the the "bait" if it is worthy.. if not better than whats has come before
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He made that fantastic movie on George Reeves...Hollywoodland. Fantastic movie.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
Say what you will, box office numbers may point to less gritty
by xcornealiousx
I enjoy the Marvel universe created in movies, but LOVE what Nolan did for batman. Say what you will about TDKR but I watched 10 minutes of batman an robin on G4 last night...I needed a drink.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST
How can you praise him so much when he's only directed TWO movies? Ridiculous. But he would do an interesting Batman
by happybunni
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...which was what seemed to have happened on GREEN LANTERN. Affleck's an excellent director and is certainly good with actors. That said, he'd be working with a huge budget, lots of special effects, and probably much more studio interference than he's had on his previous films. With the exception of BATMAN and (the early) SUPERMAN franchises, it's clear that the studio doesn't have any clear idea how to exploit the various other DC properties. The internal politics are just a nightmare.
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FFS! They already work for you WB!!!! Look those names up in your fucking Outlook global address book!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ben Affleck, too good to direct a big budget superhero film from a major studio? I didn't realize he had surpassed, say, Joss Whedon, Kenneth Branagh, Christopher Nolan, Bryan Singer, to name a few, on the list of Hollywood awesomeness. So it goes Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, Martin Scorsese, Ben Affleck, something like that? I had no idea. And why is everyone talking about a Batman reboot? TDKR is still in theaters for crying out loud. Do some of you love Batman SO much that you could see back-to-back movies about him for eternity? Insanity.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
Nordling you're so wrong, Affleck is at the top of his game right now
by ganymede3010
Affleck is a director that would give these characters the respect that they deserve.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
There will be a post-credits reference to Wonder Woman in Man of Steel.
by Snookeroo
Count on it.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
I think it's possible they do realize that the dark, gritty superhero model is problematic...
by lisa
Unfortunately I don't think they really have much else up their sleeves.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
Im calling it now- Affleck will direct both JL and new Batman movie
by ray a
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Dark, gritty superhero model COULD BE problematic. It worked wonderfully for Chris Nolan and Batman.. but I don't know if it could be plugged into a lot of other stories with a lot of success.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST
Ben should do an Arkham Asylum movie. Where we meet all the villians. Then... They break out, and Batman has create a team to take them all on
by happybunni
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST
Maybe a Batman VS Superman movie before the Justice league. 1. Arkham Asylum 2. Batman VS Superman 3. JLA
by happybunni
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Not ALL Batman fans are thrilled with Nolan's Castor Oil version of that world.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST
If his name wasn't recognizable, no one would care about his directorial pics
by Ash Talon
Honestly, there was much too interesting about Gone Baby Gone or Heat 2...ahem, The Town. They were very average but not insulting. I don't see the love for Affleck as a director. If you didn't recognize him as an actor, you wouldn't have noticed the director of those films. After being a terrible actor, people are just amazed that he wasn't a complete moron behind the camera as well. <p> I know that all sounds very harsh, but I just don't see much impressive about either of his films. Except for keeping a consistent tone.
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He's a good director, but not for a film like this. He's never done a big film like this, and this film shouldn't be his lesson on how to make one. Steven Soderbergh would do a great job directing this, and Paul Haggis should write a script for it.
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but he did them anyway. His non Batman movies are way better, imo.
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Because it's still a WB picture and WB has yet to prove they have any idea on how to make a superhero movie. This is a company that won't even name their newest superhero TV show the name of the superhero. If the new Superman is a good movie, they should just sell DC to Disney!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
What about Paul Dini and Bruce Timm? They know these characters inside out.
by batfunk
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
I'm sorry to say this, but - in terms of movies and marketability-
by BiggusDickus
Marvel characters piss all over DC ones (with the sole exception of Batman.) It's understandable after seeing the success of 'Avengers' that DC would want a slice of the pie, but realistically, their canon is simply too weak. A Justice League film will die - hard. You know it, I know it. The only hope DC have is to try and gazump the adult audience by making 'Kingdom Come' and effectively outsmart the Marvel demographic machine. They won't though, so expect the casting for this film to be about whichever B List fox they can snag for Wonder Woman and the oh-so-awesome thirty-second Henry Cavill cameo at the end. Tired and uninspired. Yawn...
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST
Ben Affleck is NOT too good for this...he is also not right for this...
by ThulsaBoom
...my guess is his work on films like, "The Town," inspired WB to hire him so he can bring that "gritty realism," like their treasured DK. Problem is everyone is ready for something lighter, and Justice League characters like Green Lantern, Cyborg, Hawkman, even Supes don't fit in the Nolanverse. If it's going to be lighter, Ben Affleck is an unproven choice at best. If it's going to be Affleck trying to capture Nolan in the Justice League bottle, who cares? Maybe The Man of Steel will show how to do fantastic elements in a real world comic book universe and this will all work out. But, that's a big maybe.
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As far as movies go,DC has treated their characters as set in their own Universes. Marvel took their characters and treated them like family. I really doubt DC can follow suit anytime soon.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
And, please god, let Guillermo Del Toro accept the Batman reboot and give it to us the way we've always wanted it...
by ThulsaBoom
...somewhere between Nolan and Burton. Batman as a detective. Akin to the animated series.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
Also, I second whoever said, "Bring back George Miller..."
by ThulsaBoom
...they had it right.
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Seriousness, I have no idea. I saw the preview for the one bank robber film and thought "hmmm that's almost interesting". But the deal wasn't sealed. Also I just re-watched Blade Runner director cut last night and that movie is beyond great. Really exceptional. It must have been hell to work on or act in though because the darkness is relentless, both literal and figurative.
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I think they made a cartoon about the two Earth's Justice League, one universe everyone is good but an evil Justice League in the other universe but Batman was similar in both universes. I should use google to look this up but I wouldn't mind seeing a Justice League versus a parallel evil Justice League with Lex Luther a good guy in that world. It will never happen but I'd like to see it
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With the right actress it would tap a totally underserved audience. The time is right for a kick ass female lead superhero. And I actually really dig the WW character.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
Superman is the KING of superheros..one dud from bring singer hasnt changed that
by TheAwareness
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Star in it? The guy is death onscreen. Please no!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST
Affleck is one of the best directors out there
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
I love his style. But too good for Justice League? If it's a good script, and he's inspired to step up to the plate, by all means, go for it. It's the starring in it bit I'm a bit wary of. Unless he's Robin, which would be perfect.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
Affleck is a solid action director who also led Amy Ryan to an Oscar; moreover, WB must know better than we do how good ARGO is. So yes, I think Affleck is that good.
by CountryBoy
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Which director is really "TOO" good for anything? Only name I can come up with is Scorsese. Even he did adaptations.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
WB has not shown they know how to make a superhero movie?
by Cornholio3000
Did not realize that Batman was made by Disney.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
Batman was an accident. If you want to know how a WB superhero movie is like, check Green Lantern or Jonah Hex.
by hank henshaw
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
Affleck doesn't have effects experience? Huh? Whaaat? Huh?
by JackSlater4
I'm willing to bet he learned a few things working with Joe Carnahan, Michael Bay, Mark Steven Johnson, John Woo and Michael Bay.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST
So Justice League is on par with The Shining and The Age of Innocence?
by NotEnoughBiehn
Interesting...
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
Isn't "Too good" what we want for these kinds of movies? ... It might stand a chance ...
by GINGE_MUPPET
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
And there's 5 awesome Batman movies, 4 Decent Superman movies, Green Lantern was fair
by JackSlater4
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As long as he has a good script to work with.
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We want a Justice League of HEROES not a bunch of depressed "darker and more real" cop-outs.
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You fahckin retaahds bettah go catch some supahvillains!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
Hasn't he been saying for years in interviews he was embarrassed to wear the suit
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
and doesn't like superhero movies in general? I guess the paycheck might be too much to pass up.
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The Nolan movies worked well in their own universe. Inserting Bale into a JL movie would be retrofitting and ugly. I'm kind of excited that they aren't following Marvel's lead of single hero movies leading into an ensemble pic. It undercut both Thor and Captain America. Be bold DC, be bold...
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Whedon just kinda became the overseer of all things MCU. The Wachowskis should be in the same role over at WB. They know comics, they have an interesting and stylish cinematic vision, and they're good writers. Give the standalone movies their own directors and have the siblings direct the group movies. It would work. Just my opinion, of course.
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Grimmer and darker than the Dark Knight, for gods sakes. Put that crew on the screen, and it will be gritty enough for anyone.
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Not good
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Afflek is a comic nerd @ heart. Daredevil anyone? he's a self admitted geek.
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He could use Manbat and Clayface and then Harry might give it a good review.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
Pleae let a JLA movie happen! Darkseid in the first one, Sinestro Corps in the second one.
by Adelai Niska
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I'm not saying that Marvel is free of camp characters. Despite their importance, i still struggle with the names Mr. Fantastic, Human Torch, The Thing and Invisible Woman...not really tough sounding at all. I give you Cap America too...which is HARD to pull off. Its amazing Marvel Studios got to do ANYTHING good out of his interpretation. However, stacked up against each other, DC has a greater slice of cheesiness and camp. PARTICULARLY from a design point of view. The Batman mythos is the only realy exception to the rule. Look through the DC Encylopedia...wave after wave of psyhcedelic, LSD infested, Willa Wonka belonging horseshit...Captain Cold? That's a nemesis? Mister Mxyzptlk? I could go on. Embarrasing. DC, while earnest, is stuck in the past and awash with too much silver age reverence. Marvel however...while not always perfect, lends itself to a more realistic and credible tone. Some don't lend themselves to a cinematic interpretation or would be free of sniggering, i agree. I have NO IDEA how this Rocket Raccoon thing will work with the movie going public. But while not everything needs to be grim and gritty, (we can avoid some of the legacy of the 90's) the darker tone instantly makes the characters relatable, not to mention the well presented method of characterisation and personal problems. Spider-Man can be presented in a light, goofy tone and it works but can also go quite dark if need be without alienating the audience. Not many other characters are that flexible. The only one on DC's side that could, is Batman...but go too far on one track and you get Batman Forever and Batman And Robin...ugh. As a guy in my 30's i can comfortably wear a t-shirt out in public (not that i should or do give a shit what others think) with Spider-Man, X-Men, the Punisher or Deadpool for example...because they are fucking badass, that's why? Give me vigilantes, ninjas, arachnids, mutant strike forces and mercenaries any day of the week over DC's garish fucking circus clowns.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST
Besides Batman Begings, Nolans Movies were Cops & Robbers movies featuring Batman
by ganymede3010
Good riddance that he's not directing the Justice League. I want an actual Comic book movie.
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If Brad Bird can direct a sucessful motion pic, then why not the hire the Two men, who have been greating quality DC related television and more for over 20 years.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST
Love Affleck, but don't think anyone cares about DC comics beyond Batman
by theneonsamurai
He's a good director and I'd love to his take. Would rather see The Stand though.
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Come on I am not that excited about a JLA movie, but I am sure Affleck can pull it off. Just imagine Kevin Smith as Batman eating Cheetos and watching porn. Then Jay and Silent Bob as the villians, sure that has Kevin Smith pulling double duty but he can handle it. I mean Silent Bob wont have any lines. Seriously, I think Affleck is a good choice. Why not let me double duty as Hawkman. He could pull that off.
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Excellent thought...perhaps Luthor is the one who helps make it happen. : ) Arkham Asylum needs to be a large grim place on an unbelievable scale that could be a great place for a final climactic battle as the JL tries to get Gotham's worst
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DC really needs to slow down and think about this. I'm not a DC fan at all, but I liked the Nolan Batman trilogy. Justice League can be fun, but it can't stand up to the Avengers. Whatever you do DC, don't ruin your characters over a race to the moon with the Avengers. You are already WAY behind in that race and you don't need to compete there. Give us a great Superman movie and go from there. You need to double down on the Superman movie! Don't worry about anything until we see Cavill either bring home the bacon or sent packing
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Aug. 8, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
The Avengers WAS A GIMMICK, and the gimmick worked, even though the end battle felt unimportant because of a characterless "alien" army that was tacked on. The Avengers was just as jumbled as The Dark Knight Rises.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I enjoyed them both despite the flaws.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
If Ben's movie Argo omits the October Surprise incident it will be a shit film
by awepittance
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Man of Steel looks shitty? Credibility as a Talkbacker = Gone.
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marvel just did it well.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST
Comicbookmovie.com is report Affleck has already turned it down
by ganymede3010
Sheez, that site kicks AICN's ass when it comes to "cool-news". http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=65392
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And I think it's a good choice. But are we ready for a spittle-mouthed Batman? I don't think so. "Starring in" says either Batman or Superman. True Affleck already kind of did Superman, but that's up to Cavill now. So that just leaves Batman and I think Affleck knows not to do that. He would be fucking crucified. We've already seen him play a red-head with disasterous results in Daredevil, so he can't do GL. Who's left? The Flash? Seems too old. He would be wise to stay behind the camera for this. Maybe he can pull a Favreau and do some insignificant background character. Glad to see WB has a script. I wonder if it is a permutation of the George Miller script, or if they started fresh to account for live action.
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Because the New 52 is crap. As I see it with Man of Steel the New 52 is the model for the new DC flicks. The Supes costume is very close to the New 52 Supes costume. Nolans Batman looks a lot like Jim Lee's Design for the New 52 Bats so does the GL Jims designs for WonderWomans costume are almost exactly like the one from the dropped WW tv show The GR tv shows costume is almost the same as the 52 version. In fact the new 52 Supes story is what is being used for the MOS. Want to see what the JL flick may look like check out the New 52 comics and bask in all the crap. But the again Darkseid was the Baddie in that.
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JLA sucks because Wonder Woman, Hawkman and fucking AQUAMAN are fucking lame characters. Skip that shit and give me a "World's Finest" movie. Bats and Supes are the DC champs for a reason. They're the best the genre has to offer.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
Personally I wish they would do the Wolfgang Peterson Batman Vs. Superman film first
by Blarg Barfington
And have it end with their decision to form the JLA. Then have a Flash movie, a Hawkman movie, a Wonder Woman movie, fuck it, maybe even a Martian Manhunter movie. What the hell, do Aquaman too. My only hesitation there (because it could be ultra badass) is that it's too difficult to work Aquaman into a JLA story in which he has anything to offer. Batman: We're being attacked by Darkseid! Aquaman: I'll go talk to fish!
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...if Affleck gets the job: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=466
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Look no further than the Green Lantern film, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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He turned down Man of Steel, and has expressed his distaste with summer/action/effects movies.
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I can see this working, I also disagree with the post in that, DC/WB SHOULD go full force with JLA, but it has to be SO GOOD that people can't wait to see each character go in their own adventures, DC/WB should Have it be the exact opposite of the Marvel Formula, have them ALL show up in JLA, and then break a few of them off into more focused movies where they can interconnect to complete a series of stories. Rather then having one minor moment at the end of the Flash where we meet Snapper Carr or something, it should be more like Flash completely wrapping up unfinished business from the JLA movie, while interconnecting with a couple cameos from Supes, Bats and the rest. It would take the whole thing to another level. Then continue the storyline in a new Batman, a Better GL movie, WW and so on and so forth. It could be epic.
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So says Deadline Hollywood. http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/ben-affleck-on-justice-league-his-camp-says-no/
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST
Favreau created the template for Marvel, Joss perfected it.
by annie_michael_hall
Sure he also wrecked it in Iron Man 2, but the tone of Iron Man was essentially the template for Thor and Cap - a sort of mix of the thoughtful characters of Chris Claremont in the science-based themes and plots of Warren Ellis. And I liked Avengers a lot, but Iron Man is still my favorite Marvel film.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 12:02 a.m. CST
Sure I'm a Marvel guy, but those saying they should do it the Marvel way...
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
...just because it worked for great for Marvel with stand alone movies first, it doesn't mean that's the only way to do it. Bring on a Justice League movie!
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Have a GL/Green Arrow movie. Have a Dr. Fate/Martian Manhunter film. Have a Plastic Man/ The Flash film. Nobody's done that before and it might be a blast, especially once that "buddy pair" re-enter the JLA's film universe.
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Look at the first two X-Men movies. Now the only thing they spun off of that was Wolverine but lets face facts here and admit that the only character they went to the trouble of featuring enough to spin off was Wolverine. Warner Brothers doesn't have that problem with a JLA movie. Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman are all deeply established in the public mind. That leaves who? Flash, Green Lantern, and Martian Manhunter maybe? Atom? The thing is you do your JLA movie like the X-Men movies were done. The big names are already in play and you don't waste any time explaining the little guys. Tell a good story and you can come out of that movie ready to start filming any of those you like. Bring in Bale if he wants to keep playing Batman, move on and find someone else if he doesn't. Cavill can step right in as Superman, nobody's going to complain. If you cast Wonder Woman right then you can probably get away with bringing Reynolds back as Green Lantern. It wasn't the best movie in the world but he'll at least be remembered from it and he looks the part. That's more than Renner had going for him when he stepped on to the screen in Avengers as Hawkeye. It will work, they probably just don't have the balls to throw everything in and go for it.
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I think he could do a good job. . . with a good script!
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Let's say there really are 5 awesome Batman movies (even if I don't like them much at all). But 4 Decent Superman movies? There is 1 great movie (for it's time), 1 passable, 2 indecent movies, and 1 that can be considered a crime against cinema. 300 is overrated. It's aged horribly and it was released only 6 years ago. Watchmen was soulless. Almost every performance except for Rorschach and the Comedian was trash. Typical Zack Snyder non-directing his actors. Green Lantern fair? Again, you are too kind. I'm a pre-new52 DC fanboy, but their movies are a heartbreaking letdown every freaking time.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 12:47 a.m. CST
If Affleck is out, go for Brad Bird. He has always been the only choice.
by hank henshaw
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Aug. 9, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST
At this stage, it would look, smell and feel like an Avengers rip-off.
by leroyspoboys
Just too soon. Do the legwork DC/Warners. Give us 3-4 character establishing one shot films first. Knock them each out of the park like Marvel did and then give us a JL movie that rocks. I'm pretty happy Affleck isn't actually doing this right now. Good decision on his part.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST
WB just needs to worry about putting out good singular superhero movies than trying to do the justice league movie...
by Jt
It took Marvel a while to get to the Avengers. So it won't hurt WB to just wait to do the justice league. At this point the WB has only been successful with Batman. Green Lantern was a big miss, with a terrible script and terrible casting. Hopefully Man of Steel will turn out to be a great superhero movie. The teaser makes it look promising. Now WB needs to get a Wonder Woman movie made. And just go ahead and reboot Green Lantern, or move on to a different Green Lantern.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST
Was anyone else thinking that Green Lantern would place a field around the bomb and then Supes kicks it into orbit at the end of DKR??
by LowDevil
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Superman believes people can be good if you simply just show them the way. Batman has a cynical world view, and thinks that there will always be a battle between good and evil. Even if evil subsides, Batman believes it will always come back. The Marvel characters are much easier to put together. There aren't these drastic personality differences.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST
Let's get this straight there is no such thing as a Nolanverse Batman. Batman has always been a dark and cynical character. Nolan just brought Batman back to his roots...
by Jt
after Joel Schumacher Batman movies that were nothing more than an updated version of the "groovy" Batman of the 1960's television series.
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WB should just move on what's been established already. Ryan Reynolds, JGL and Henry Cavill will put female asses in the seats like Magic Mike did. Play the characters against each other with the old Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic and make Aquaman and/or Wonder Woman the antagonist(s). Note that I didn't say villains. Making those two the heavies in the first film will go a long way to distract from the perceived silliness the general public has regarding those characters. WB should just go with what they've produced last year (GL), this year (Bats) and next year (Supes). Time is ticking away…
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Put Aquaman on screen and establish Atlantis, thus trumping Marvel's Namor. Have Cyborg as a major part of the team from the get go-although he may be seen as Iron Man light by non comic reading viewers, his inclusion trumps attempts at a major black hero and Marvel's Vision. Include Wonder Woman and give her a major part. Have Flash and Zantanna , beating Marvel before they get Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. Nolan's "Batverse" is set over 15-18 years so surely there's room to include that Bat, just don't have him take the cowl off. Have Ryan Reynolds as GL passing on the protection of this sector to Kyle Rayner -or Guy Gardener if comic relief is needed, whilst Hal becomes the Guardian's poster boy following Sinestro turning evil.
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after Batman and Superman, most people are divided on how likable DC's superheroes are. I like Wonder Woman, but a there a number of people who think she is a cheesy character. I think Green Lantern is a cheesy character, but there are a number of people who love Green Lantern. Overall, Marvel's superheroes are liked better overall compared to the DC universe.
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what if marvel jumps DC and does a Supreme Power Movie! can you imagine?
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Really, Nordling?...Wow. What a snob. I'm going to stop reading your articles and reviews. Credibility = lost.
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But please, no more "realistic approach". I´m sick of that.
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I agree and can certainly see this working as the tv series. Could open with another Shield location where they have Hyperion and establish a team that Shield use to track down lesser cinematic villains and characters. Hell, this could even be Phase 2 of the Avengers Initiative. Dr Spectrum could be an issue, due to the Skrull background-think Fox have the rights there. Good call there sir......or madam!
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However, that probably won't ever happen. Affleck really isn't a bad choice, but you need someone who really has an understanding of this stuff. I would support him directing a Superhero film though, I just don't know if he should step into something like this.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 3:38 a.m. CST
I think what you mean to say is that Affleck is too good to be given the bullshit job of rushing an Avengers clone
by antonphd
they have hacks like McG for that
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Aug. 9, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST
i do agree about Batman and Superman, but fuck it, i want to see them together anyway!
by antonphd
life isn't about everything making sense all the time
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I've been saying it on here since 2007. You all know what's changed over five(!) years? NOT A DAMN THING. Peter Jackson for JLA.
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If MOS is going to stay "separate universe"...
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Aug. 9, 2012, 3:49 a.m. CST
$10 says he's already sent Kevin Smith the script, and questioned if he should do the movie.
by Kamaji
You just know Smith will give his script opinions at his next Q&A.
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If DC do a JLA movie first, and it flops, it pretty much kills solo movies for flash, wonder woman and all the *lesser* characters. Follow the marvel route with the slow build, and a flopped movie can be left on it's own, or even ignored. Hulk was in avengers, even though his two solo movies were not huge hits.
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Isn't he one of the credited scriptwriters on Mask Of The Phantasm? In which Bruce Wayne almost quite being Batman? Over a woman? No, don't get me wrong, I love phantasm, and I find the idea of the creative team behind TAS doing either Justice league, or a new Batman to be very appealing. But the owner of this very site, who is, apparently, a leading batman expert, unlike my good self, says the idea of Bruce Wayne quitting his war on crime over a woman is bullshit. So, I assume that Dini shouldn't be allowed near Batman, and by extension, the JLA
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If JL is a billionbuster (copyright UltimaRex 2012) then people will flock to see WW et al. WB knows this.
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Knowles has a complete lack of understanding on Batman, his review was desperate in every way possible. You should prove to us your knowledge of the character, not just claim and say what you feel is above all else. Then Harry had the balls to come defend it as just his opinion, instead of saying sorry for coming off like a total self important douche.
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When I think popcorn flick, I think Fast and Furious 5, or some other worthless drivel that has shallow characters, sloppy writing, over the top action and gaping plot holes. While Avengers didn't have the serious tone of Batman, it still was very well made. It had great acting, smooth pacing, excellent writing / dialogue, awesome / coherent action. The plot might have been a little thin, but that's to be expected in an origin movie (and nonetheless an origin story of a team of 5 superheros). Ironically, the description I put forth in my opening paragraph could easily describe Dark Knight Rises. I would say that was more of a popcorn flick than Avengers due to its lack of depth (though it did strive hard to be very deep but failed).
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Is that better firstman2012?
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but I think it had more to do with the script then the directing. I have not seen any of his other directorial efforts though, so I can't speak to their quality
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It's also just their powers/lack of powers Batman works a lot better as a character if there are no other superheros in his world. One of the things I liked about Nolan's take was he stayed away from the the more scifi/fantasy elements that creepy into batman personally I always think that batman should always be the strangest thing in Gotham city. In general my problem with DC has always been, in a world with superman, why do they even need other heros?
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dumbest thing i ever hear here, he only have 2 movies out, and in my book so so, the town its full of cliches, i really dont think he have experience to do something near good as the avengers, (maybe something close to thor) and i also dont think he have an "stamp" wait til he does at least 5 more movies and we see (excuse my english)
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Maaaaatt Daaaaaaamon.
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Best comic book movie of all time, and one of the best, if not the best summer action movie.
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1) I would not have thought of Ben for the director's chair, but I think he could do a good job with it, taking the movie in an entirely different direction than Marvel's more humorous Avengers.</p> <p> 2) I disagree completely that DC should try to go the Marvel route and release separate films to buld up to the Justice League. It would smack of being a copycat move and all we'd hear is "been there, done that"...DC would be playing the Johnny-come-lately role and it would backfire. A MUCH better (and safer) move is to film a kickass Justice League movie and THEN build separate franchises from that. Hell, why not do something of a cliffhanger detective story that then unfolds in the separate spin-offs...give people a reason to have to see the other movies (much like comic book tie-ins).
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First off, THE AVENGERS is very much a popcorn flick. It was borderline tongue in cheek for much of the film and the contrived in-fighting was just too thin for my taste.</p> <p> On the other hand, the Nolan Batman trilogy WAS deep and serious. It was a much more serious take on the superhero genre than anything that's come before. I could not be happier with how it turned out. </p> <p> Yes, I agree with many fanboys that Nolan's Batman is NOT the Batman of the comics. But we knew that since BATMAN BEGINS. So anyone saying it wasn't deep really needs to get off their high horse and rewatch these films. This trilogy is THE GODFATHER of our generation. Just listening to the dialogue between the various characters was amazing. Alfred, Lucious, Rachel, Gordon, Harvey, Bane and the Joker each had monologues in the various movies that spoke volumes. It was an incredibly smartly written, fast paced and tightly woven trilogy with a terrific ending. After just having seen TDKR and rewatching the first two, I couldn't be happier.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST
rebel scumb -- you obviously haven't been watching the JUSTICE LEAGUE cartoon
by Michael Morning
If you have to ask why other heroes are needed when Superman exists, you really haven't been paying attention. Also, Superman does not have to be the godlike being he's often portrayed as. He can be very powerful without being able to move planets with his bare hands. Any being capable of picking up a car and tossing it like it's nothing is pretty damn amazing.
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Even Spielberg and Scorsese have done it. If you like Affleck as director so much, you want to see him have a well rounded career and a big budget comic book movie is the new jewel. You don't want to see him get stuck doing a trilogy. (Not everything has to be a trilogy, although I'm sure the dough is great. This is my new two Batman rule as in Burton did two, Nolan should have stuck with two...)
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His involvement seems limited but it turns out that he's manipulating the whole mission. He'd speed in, or strike by remote, bailing everyone's fat out of the fire, then disappear.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 7:37 a.m. CST
buzz maverik -- I thought TDKR was the best of the trilogy
by Michael Morning
...so I'm glad it a 3-part story arc.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST
Whedon did it for the fan boys, Nolan did it for his career, compare the films and you see the obvious truth..i love both though..
by Balkin Flabgurter
different strokes for different folks..
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it only pretends to be.
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killed any chance for a proper cinematic DCU, like Marvel has. Nolanites said it themselves: you cant have Superman in Nolanverse. So how can a Justice League work unless it has nothing to do with Supes and Bats.
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Affleck talks like his has a sack of marbles in his mouth. I still have flashbacks to his acting in Daredevil which sends chills up my spine. Affleck would be better off shooting more noir films before any superhero material. Hell, I'd rather see John Hillcoat over Affleck.
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WB has been caught with their pants down. they need specialists to look at this project as its own special entity. and i think this approach will actually work better, they'll be able to find out which characters should break out into their own movie franchises and save on doing a origin movie for all of them Affleck to me doesn't scream Justice League. it needs someone mired in the comic books who understand how this all can be put together. it's more then just a movie or a franchise. Nolan was great for batman, but this will be a different beast that will require an impresario to put his fingers in a lot of different pies. the film making skills of someone like Peter Jackson ( but who actually is a fanbiy) with someone like j. michael straczynski who knows the TV and comic world. ( bear in mind i haven't read or seen any of JMS work). its a tough one, i'd like more hats into the ring please.
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actually no, they shouldnt. They would have fucked it up beyond any recognition.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST
Really sick of the Nolan haters. Do you fucks really only want your superhero movies to be kids stuff??? I liked Avengers but thats what it was.
by MariusXe
No stakes, nothing. Years back, you all sucked Nolans dick after TDK, now after Avengers, its hip to hate on him. Just wait four more years and you will turn on the Marvel movies as well for the next hot shit. Really... You are all spineless, tasteless fucks. I for one like what I like, no matter how long its out, or if its hip at the moment.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
And Affleck would be great for a serious approach of JLA! LOVED THE TOWN!
by MariusXe
I don't see him taking the job, to be honest, since he too will think hes better than this (which is bullshit), but I would like to see him helm it. But PLEASE, don't let him play Batman, Superman or the Flash. He could MAYBE pull off a cool Green Lantern. maybe. If DC playsmthis right, this could destroy Avengers, since the JLA simply got the bigger characters, with much more interesting power sets. Flash could steal this movie, if done right. Really love that they want to keep the serious tone of the Nolan movies for their DC films. It fits well and gives a great counterpoint to the more kiddy friendly Marvel movies.
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It would take clever writing, but it's silly, boring and shows you have a lack of creative thinking if you think the "nolanverse" needs to exist on it's own..
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Avengers - prior to the Iron Man movie, the Avengers had one Tier 1 (well established in mainstream culture) comic character in the Hulk. With Iron Man, Cap and Thor being Tier 2 characters, and as for Hawkeye, Black Widow and Nick Fury Tier 3 at best. JLA on the other hand has Supes and Batman, it doesn't get bigger, plus Wonder Woman the number 1 female comic character. Flash, Green Lantern and Aquaman as Tier 2, and Martian Manhunter etc Tier 3. On paper and perhaps in a parallel world DC would be kicking butt on a completely different level. We should have at least seen a Wonder Woman movie, probably even Flash (staring Ryan Reynolds as The Flash not GL). With DC and JLA I feel they are like the resource rich middle east oil nations, used to making relatively easy money with little thought and strategy, that ultimately waste resources and underperform
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but i think instead of Hal ( since they royally fucked up) use John Stewart. don not spin off and reboot batman, keep him in the team and only in the jl movies no separate reboot. as with the new 52 cyborg, wonder woman flash, aquaman all go in with spin offs hopefully of wonder woman and flash and of course supes will be there. after it, reboot bats again.
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Big mistake. He's blind for one thing.
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Affleck adapts his own material and he's good but he's not Tarantino or Lucas. He should take the job. He's lucky to get it and Warner Bros would be lucky to get him for JLA.
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We're talking about the producer of "Stolen Summer" after all. The man has vision.
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Too many loners on the team. Do I really wanna see Batman running around with Green Lantern and Wonder Woman? If Superman is so all-powerful, why's he need to team-up with Green Arrow? Both these characters were designed to be loners, not part of a team dynamic. Batman can't be all dark and brooding when standing next to a douche like Martian Manhunter. It'll look stupid. And, since Superman is so powerful, there's really no threat they would need to team up against other than aliens. And that will seem a little familiar, won't it?
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
Orson Wells was too good for the Transformers cartoon movie.
by StatelyWayneManor
We could do this all day...a paycheck is a paycheck.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
Let him direct - not star. Maybe a cameo ... but can't be one of the stars.
by Rick
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Would love a post-war optimism/Cold War based plot.
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My thoughts exactly....
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you are .........kidding right?
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
How much you wanna bet Justice League doesn't have Superman in it
by Autodidact
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He'd be brilliant and who here wouldn't pay to see it..?
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
I bet an Affleck-directed Batman would focus on the World's Greatest Detective aspect of the character.
by Royston Lodge
I still hope that some day we'll get a "Riddler-as-serial killer" movie.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
I would have gone with the guy from first blood that brian dennahey rag-dolls.
by UltraTron
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I think they should forgo individual movies, and start simple, with Superman and Green Lantern (since they've already had their intro) and use the movie to introduce a new WW and Batman (and maybe Flash). They could keep Bats as an unofficial / reluctant member, as he is frequently portrayed in the comics. They should keep away from the lesser known characters.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
Wow...shocked everybody seems to want a Batman reboot already
by Darth Macchio
Seems kinda sad..like we know we're only going to get shitty ass crumbs so we may as well pretend its fucking prime rib and caviar. We'll clamor like baby birds with our mouths wide open as the studios drop variations of the same thing down our gullets again and again. Even if it was the greatest directors working doing these reboots, this is a BAD idea people! There was almost universal consensus that The Amazing Spiderman should continue from Raimi's part 2, ignoring the third, instead of redoing the origin story. Now people actually want this to happen with Batman??!?!?! A reboot and not a continuation? For the love of all that is Geeky, WHY???!?! Cause you hated the Nolan films? That's all? It's very simple and, of all people, Leterrier got it right with his Incredible Hulk - do NOT reboot Batman you nitwits...continue the fucking story and that's it! I haven't seen TDKR yet but I'm assuming they didn't kill the Batman concept even if they killed Bruce (I'll find out when I see it) but NO NO NO..no more fucking reboots so fucking soon. It's like being thrilled and super happy being stuck in the fucking mud and spinning your tires forever, not moving an inch forward. Whoopee! We're not going to get any new stories ever! Just variations of the origin story! Yeah! But it will be completely different as it would have different directors/production/actors!! Yay!!! How awesome is that?!?! Is there something I'm missing here?
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On the fence on a new Bruce Wayne. Part of me thinks it should be an older actor...like Tom Cruise (who would be a great Bruce Wayne and with Bird directing...). Or someone popular on TV, but hasn't made big budget movies like Ian Somerhalder (who looks like a young Bruce Wayne). Or perhaps one of the respected new breed of actors...though a lot of them (Ryan Gosling, Jeremy Renner, etc) I can't see was Bruce Wayne/Batman whatsoever. Honestly, there aren't many that were the slam-dunk choice that Christian Bale was. All I know is that I would look forward to a new retool of the Batman universe that keeps the real world sensibility, but finds room for the rogues gallery that wouldn't see the light of day with Nolan (Penguin, Riddler, etc).
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and neither bats.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST
What DC Should do and riskebiz you are so correct Brad Byrd is awesome
by Stuff Daddy
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Aug. 9, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST
What DC Should do and riskebiz you are so correct Brad Byrd is awesome
by Stuff Daddy
Ben directs mature, well thought out films... he acted in DareDevil.. and it sucked.. Since then he was fantastic in Hollywoodland (the movie about TV Superman George Reeves) he directed Gone Baby Gone, The Town and the amazing looking Argo.. the man can direct your mama's panties off any day of the week! I hope he stays away from this simply because WB has no idea what they are doing.. They should make a Superman Batman film first. Then WW and have both have cameos of other heroes.. build your JL movie.. Don't just make it now.. A Superman VS Batman World's Finest type of thing with some cameos of other heroes is as big an event film as Avengers. No need to go straight to JL. Redbox out!
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Aug. 9, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST
Let me guess. People saying Batman and Superman can't work together are the same that said Iron Man and Thor couldn't coexist.
by hank henshaw
As for the argument that Superman is so powerful he doesn't need the rest of the JLA... why would Thor or Hulk need Captain America? There is a way to do Justice League without falling into Batman and Robin territory.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 10:37 a.m. CST
the next BATMAN film should be ARKHAM ASYLUM or CITY, or at least very informed by the games.
by the Green Gargantua
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Sorry, but as amazingly fun as the Arkham projects are as video games, let's try to do something along the lines of the Batman/Superman/Justice League/Batman Beyond animated series tone before we go all Mad Max Batman on everyone.. Save that for the Dark Knight Returns movie that Nolan will do in 10 years.. Remember, all those dark leather-bound characters that look cool in a video game will look like Waterworld in a movie.. Cheers, Redbox
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
RE: jellypop - WB did the same thing with Vincent Chase.
by longcoldstare
Make Aquaman, and then you can do Medellin.* *Liberties taken with storyline for purposes of this talkback.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
Ryan Gosling, or Fassbender as Wayne/Batman
by Clarence_Boddickers_Optometrist
Gosling is a bit ubiquitous, but talented and can pull off what Bales (who I am a of fan of) portrayal lacked: eccentricity. I still love Keaton, he hasn't been topped. Played tortured as well as quirky, with a crazy twinkle in his eye. Armie Hammer is too obvious a choice, wouldn't be a stretch for other characters to deduce he is Batman.
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Maybe they should save the big guns and make this a Justice League without the big guns? I don't see how you're going to combine the vibe of Green Lantern with Zack Snyder's Superman, and throw in Flash, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and another character. They could do what Marvel did in reverse and let Justice League spin off characters to separate movies instead of combining into one.
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Nolan's Batman, while epic was set in a different universe from other superheroes. Think about what happened to Gotham in the 3 movies. Do you think Superman, Wonder Woman, or Green Lantern wouldn't drop in to help? The Dark Knight Rises alone Supes would have shown up at the football stadium. Beat the shit out of Bane and took the bomb away in less than 30 seconds. Roll credits. Personally I think Affleck would direct a great JLA movie and he should play Captain Atom. Get Armie Hammer to put the batsuit back on and you've got 4 members right there.
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Tim Burton's Batman was one of the biggest movies, what did WB follow up with? NOTHING! X-Men wasn't a successful as Batman, yet it was followed up by the Hulk, Daredevil, the Fantastic Four, Spiderman, Ghost Rider, and Punisher! Maybe not all great films, but most of them were better or as good as Green Lantern, Catwoman, Steel, and Superman Returns. WB with Nolan was the exception to the rule.
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I'm just more curious than anything else. I'm just wondering who he would play. But I think this is a bad idea. Not getting Affleck he's great, but it's a bad idea to say hey here's Justice League. I mean sure if you did just a plain Superman/Batman movie, you'd get the masses lined up not needing a build up. But for Justice League you need a build up at least.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
yeah superhero video games are the absolute authority on superhero characters, get the fuck out of here with that shit
by Jt
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...who, at the end of the movie, gets CGI revealed as J'onn J'onzz, the Martian Manhunter.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
still don't get all the Armie Hammer love. Sure he was great in the social network, but what else has done other than that...
by Jt
that has been so great. talkbackers act like he has a whole list of movies that he has acted great in.
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On the plus side, damon knows all that bad ass Bourne kung fu, so...
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Beth Phoenix should play Wonder Woman. Yep. I went there.
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I thought about John Stewart as GL, but then remembered the Marvel/DC Amalgam event back in the 90's. Iron Man and GL were joined into the 'Iron Lantern' and thought that John Stewart, with military background is just too close to Rhodes. I feel that DC can really go large here. What if -and this is hypothetical- the bid bad was Mongul, who has transported the best of heroes and worst of villains from across the galaxy and forces them to fight for their freedom. The villains quickly join forces and only into the second half of the movie do the heroes unite and thus the League is born. This is an easy way to get all the heroes on screen without having to thrash out a ridiculous origin story. Plus it gives them a chance to go galactic. They could be on a planet with a red sun and Super starts to get weaker and has to join up with other heroes to save his skin. Batman can show what a great tactical mind he has and pairs the heroes up to go against specific targets.
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Best graphic novel ever (with Identity Crisis being a close second followed by The Dark Knight Returns). Unfortunately, I don't think Kingdom Come would work to then spin off other franchises. Identity Crisis, however, would be a killer way to intro the JLA and make it dark and gritty in the process.</p> <p> Personally, I think it needs to be a little dark to make it interesting and unique. Typically, DC characters are light and fuzzy. But since THE AVENGERS is already more light-hearted, I think people would go for a JLA movie that was a more serious tone.
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Or is the internet full of mistruths?
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Which is a good thing...or is it unfortunate? It's definitely something we'll all be debating after the JLA: sucks/owns/is mediocre/too cheesy/doesn't live up to the hype/is racist/is misogynistic/has too many plot holes/is better than Dark Knight/didn't do (character) justice/better than The Avengers/worse than The Avengers or fails to explain the black goo It doesn't matter. None of this matters. I don't care who directs what anymore. Eventually, every director alive will have a superhero flick under their belt. Just make a good fucking movie.
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Allegedly your situation, for you, would be concurrently improved if I had $200 in my back pocket right now.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
Somebody actually said Nolan's DARK KNIGHT movies are the GODFATHER of our generation?!
by Mosquito March
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Aug. 10, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST
Ben Affleck seems like a nice guy but his filmography reads like the history of mediocre.
by Reelheed
With a good script he could do an okay job directing this. I don't feel like he has an eye for amazing cinematography but his films haven't been ugly. My one real concern is that he may try to play one of the leads. Affleck as Supes/batman/flash/manhunter/GL I cannot buy into.
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You answered your own question. What did Cavill do before he was cast? Armie Hammer IS the classic Curt Swan/Rags Morales Superman. Take any still of Hammer in J.Edgar and any panel of Superman in Identity Crisis. They are damn near identical.
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Warners/DC are obviously going to do it anyway. It might as well go to someone with chops, and some comic geek in his soul. And he's got to get his buddy Kevin who has done some excellent DC work as a consultant. ('But then sometimes you gotta do the payback picture because your friend says you owe him.').
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Aug. 10, 2012, 6:52 a.m. CST
Smith did do a good Supes script at one stage after all.
by leroyspoboys
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"just make a kick-ass JLA "..if only it were that simple.If it were that simple, we would never have a bad movie. If this were up to me, and I accept Im an idiot: If Superman is a success with Cavill, use that as the first entry. Do a new GL, replacing Ryan Reynolds. Either a different Hal Jordan, or a different lantern. dont care which. and make a new Wonder Woman. Then combine that 3 in JLA.(with the aquaman & martian manhunter type of lesser character) Using JLA as the way to introduce the new Batman, by making him the antagonist, using tower of babel as a template. when that ends, they invite batman into the JLA (to keep an eye on him), who is smart enough to know its better to work with them than work against them and have them trying to stop him
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I dont think he should be in the movie, but that is Warners' call. some grit would be a nice touch to a JLA movie, we dont want super friends. at least i dont.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
mosquito march -- name another story, particularly a crime drama, with as much punch as Nolan's Batman trilogy?
by Michael Morning
You can't do it. Nolan's Batman trilogy is incredibly well written, big budget, great music (much more memorable than any other superhero franchise) with a full story arc and an excellent ending.
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...I think that DC trying to build up to a JLA movie like Marvel already did is going to feel too much like they're copycatting. And no one will care for that because it's too telegraphed..."been there, done that", everyone will say.</p> <p> They would be far better served to start with the JLA and spin off from there. It's less risky, looks better, and would have fanboys and the public alike drooling over what cool stories the individual characters could pop up in.</p> <p> I just wish production companies would stop trying to reinvent the wheel. There are already some remarkable stories to be told if they'd just tell THOSE stories. Identity Crisis, for example, is incredible as-is. It's a powerful story and doesn't require monstrous amounts of CGI to make it happen. Kingdom Come is my wet dream, but it wouldn't really work to spin off the characters into separate franchises.
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It's a Singer rip off, but just make Batman the JLA's 'Wolverine' like Fox / Singer did for the X-Men franchise. Dark origined badass who actually drives the film. No need to tell his back story. People who live in caves who have no idea who Bruce Wayne is by now don't go to the movies anyway. Cast someone with the chops of Patrick Stewart as Martian Manhunter. Give us Darkseid as the villain voiced/played by someone with the chops of Ian McKellan in the after credits scene for JL2. It's formula that's been done, it works, and made millions (although 'Lets Fuck up Wolverine: Origins' was a piece of shit). Just don't make the real team leader (Supes/Cyclops) a pussy like Singer did. And it's not Reynolds fault GL sucked. He could have been fine given a decent director and script. It's just GL, no biggee to pull off. We need a younger guy for Flash anyway...any barely post teen heart throb with a six pack who looks good wet can play Aquaman...and Wonder woman can be anyone with boobs that can look tough and act as badly as Chris Hemsworth. They'll all only get a total of 15-20 minutes of speaking screen time anyway like each of the Avengers did (less all the explosions and CGI). So if Whedon can pull it off, Affleck definitely can. As much as I like Whedon's work on TV/Film and in Print, Affleck is far more talented.
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which isn't a bad situation to put them in, though personally i think darkseid would be bigger draw. The reason I said Stewart is to put enough distance between the dismal movie, that and the fact that having some non white characters from the get go would be great. ( this coming from an Indian) I get why they're all white characters, these icons were created decades ago, but times and people have changed, and to hit a couple of markets harder then the avengers ( earths mightiest white heroes!) have a couple of non caucasians in there. Its not a retcon for retcons sake its a business decision, the money is in the toys. the dc universe on-line game trailer is the perfect example of what a movie could do. They need to go big to go head to head or even surpass the avengers. But it has to be carved out properly and not just something where a lot of money is thrown at wth out direction.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
Fuck that, introduce the new Batman in Justice League and make him so cool that people are dying for the next solo film
by the Green Gargantua
I mean JL is there to just remind the world over and over again how fucking bad ass Batman really is.
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Like I said, fuck up a JLA movie without the marvel style groundwork ( & let's be honest, the chances of WB not fucking it up are pretty slim), then you have fucked up any solo movies for the characters in it.(except batman & Superman) Leroy...agree re Reynolds, I like the guy and I think he gets a lot of unjustified stick.as far as gl goes though, he will have the baggage of attempt 1, like Bana from the first hulk. I thought he wrong for the part as well. I felt they scripted around their planned casting.(I seem to remember it was rumoured that they spoke to Bradley Cooper too). IMO green lantern neds to be cast as a late mid to late 30s, cos you don't get to be A test pilot at 25. Just my thoughts, anyway
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His efforts to date are heavy handed and contrived. Gone baby Gone is bloody awful. Watch it again. Terrible acting and totally contrived. As others have said, rest Batman for at least 5 years and come back with a new idea like Batman Beyond or Dark Knight Returns. No more origin stories. Nolan nailed the origin. Anything else would pale in comparison. Who knows, in 5 years, Nolan might decide to come back and do one more. If Indy can come back, then so could Nolan's Batman.
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Look...Nice guy...had a few nice flicks....TOTALLY WRONG DIRECTOR for Justice League. If they give it to him...expect it to all but certainly fall. WB needs to see how Man of Steel Turns out first. I also don't see him Directing a Batman Reboot. This is still the same guy that starred in Gigli!!!!!
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