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Shots From The Set Of A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD Reveal A Cameo (Not Reginald VelJohnson)!!
Last night, BleedingCool (via Ted Cross Blog) indicated that Mary Elizabeth Winstead would be make a previously unannounced cameo in the forthcoming A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD. She was said to be reprising the Lucy McClane (daughter of Bruce Willis' John McClane) role she assumed in the decidedly spiritless LIVE FREE OF DIE HARD back in 2007. Winstead's character was initially portrayed by young Taylor Fry in John McTiernan's superlative 1988 actioner DIE HARD.
Now, Moviehole has some pics of Winstead and Willis on set. Per Moviehole...
Despite the appearance of yellow taxis and soldiers – it’s unclear whether McClane was being dropped off at New York La Guardia airport or if it was doubling for Russia… Took place at The Budapest Transport Centre on Sunday.
Here's a shot from the set of A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD - CLICK THE IMAGE to access more photos! The John Moore directed 5quel is targeting a February 2013 release date.
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Some Kevin Smith action.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Although i would care if it was Reginald VelJohnson or if was his wife from the 1st 2 die hards
by ilovemichealbay
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is this film franchise. To quote George Carlin "STOP THAT!"
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remember, it's mirror. signal. manouvre
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
I love the first 3 die hards and i love Bruce but I ain't got no love for this PG13 film form the guy behind Max Payne
by ilovemichealbay
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. . . every single on of them garbage compared to the one and only . . .
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
See Mary Elisabeth Winstead as she's forced to become worse than slave to an evil Manatu from beyond the Grave! Stare until the horror
by UltraTron
blind's you, as Mary Eliabeth Winstead battles a terrifying force the only way she can.. With her anus! (excerpt from film's dialogue: "It is written that only your anus can stop the creature".) See Mary Elisabeth Winstead in the role she was born to play iiinn!!!.. Cheap Times at Manatu Demon High. Warning no one will be admitted after film's start.
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Those eyes... those eyes...
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
I'd be excited if she was wearing the cheerleader outfit from Death Proof.
by Royston Lodge
So say we all.
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why not someone more ballsy like Joe Carnahan?
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...that the film-makers have taken notice of all the thousands (possibly millions) of online campaigns devoted to bringing back McClane's daughter from the last one. They are right to have ignored the tiny minority of pedants who think that what this dead series really needs is a return to good scripts, plausible action sequences and appearances by old characters who we actually gave a fuck about (Veljohnson, Bedelia), and maybe even showing Bruce having a bit of hair again. FUCK THAT SHIT! By bringing back someone who we had completely forgotten about they have turned this series right around. I hope for ten more Die Hard movies, each getting further away from the premise of the original. I have set fire to all my other DVDs in preparation for buying the Die Hard quintology box-set collector's special 3D bluray home-IMAX edition (or whatever it is) and intend to start camping outside my local cinema tonight to be the first in line for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fuck the haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
Die Hard 1 and with a Vengence are the only two worth mentioning.
by Bradly Durant
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Those eyes...those eyes
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I love that and the original. That said my love for Die Hard (the series) has waned. LFoDH left such a nasty aftertaste that even though I like the actors in it I can't stand the movie. This one looks to be more the same.
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They need to make this unexpectedly hard R and start throwing around boobage like it's 1988 <p> Winstead I'm looking at you
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Her continually frustrating Timothy Olyphant's character (like when she uses the proof-of-life conversation to provide her father a tally of remaining bad guys) were the best moments in the last flick.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
A cameo from a Died hard 4 actor is supposed to excite us?
by jackbauerpowerhour
throw us a bone at least, give us samuel l jackson at the LEAST.
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The game (Max Payne 3) Shits all over that waste of 90 Mins.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST
One thing I would sincerely like to get Die Hard back in my good books
by tomdolan04
A soundtrack lined with classical music riffs and motifs. <p> Seriously - whilst veering towards being overplayed in other cultural areas, cranking in Symphony No.9 amongst others alongside brutal violence elevates these kind of films from the usual assumption that action films must = raaawk / usual dirgy type soundtrack cos it will appeal to da kidz.
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. . . rolls his eyes into the back of his skull . . .
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Will never understand why people hate Live Free or Die Hard. I love that movie.
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...are the only real Die Hard movies. Die Hard with a Vengeance was NOT a Die Hard movie, it was more like Lethal Weapon. And Die Hard 4 was... not totally bad. But most geeks here only know "better than sex" or "I'd rather blow a donkey" and nothing inbetween.
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Shoot, if both the kids are in it, why not bring back Holly?
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Is he still in the slammer?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST
Hell, I'd settle for a reference to Holly being a senior VP at Nakatomi or something over this.
by Bill C.
Nothing against Mary Elizabeth, but...bah!
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if it was Teo from DH1. Not some forgettable character from the shitty DH4.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST
Let's have a cameo from the guys on the front porch with Bruce in his musical Seagram's commercial.
by Cletus Van Damme
Seeeeeeagram's...Gollllden Wiiine Coooooler! It's wet and it's dry! MY, MY, MY, MYYYYYY!
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...and 2 and 4 are just fine. As long as these movies stick to the basic formulas and feature Willis its all good to me. I love how the stage keeps getting bigger. Building>Airport>NYC>The WHOLE COUNTRY and whatever is at stake in this one. I can't wait for McClane to take down some extraterrestial terrorists to save the universe. As far as the rating? I think LFODH only got a PG-13 because they never showed any blood. It had a pretty high body count and he even beat up a chick. The rating association for movies is so jacked up its not even funny.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
Is it my machine or is the font on the mainpage illegible.?
by higgledyhiggles
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
oh and Die Hard... Come to the coast, Have a few laughs.
by higgledyhiggles
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"Live Free" looked different from the others visually. Kinda took away from the feeling it was a Die Hard movie (and it was grasping at sequel straws to begin with).
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST
While they are at it, why not sequel Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, and Machete with PG-13 Films
by ass clown
I guess it's time that kids take part in all our beloved franchises. Let's just PG13 everything so that Chuck Norris is happy
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which is what this movie will be. Retarded.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
Die Hard 2 is ten times better than Sucks with a Vengeance
by Dursman2000
Sorry, I love Sam Jackson but didn't like McClane having a partner. Jeremy Irons' performance was snoozed-in and the whole film was tedious and lame. 2 actually made Gene Siskel's list of the Ten Best of the Year! It's a solid rehash.
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Over that awful subway surfing scene on the dump track. Bad compositing.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
I don't care what people say, I enjoyed the hell out of Live Free or Die Hard
by quadrupletree
As usual it all comes down to expectations. I had none going in and thought it was awesome. Action was satisfying, I laughed at the jokes. The dude crashes a car into a helicopter for christsakes, what do you people want? He's too busy shooting a bad guy to finish the word 'motherfucker' and that's what the movie hinges on? Sheesh...
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST
I thought the cameo was going to be Bruce Willis' hairline.
by Cornholio3000
Shows what I know.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
@freeman_lowell Hell yes. Joe Carnahan would be a much better choice than this twat.
by jakal40
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I'll give DH2 a 2nd chance, haven't seen it probably since I saw it in the theater, lol ...........but as a kid I recall being bored/confused and disappointed by it.
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It was fun and over the top. Only surpassed by the first film.
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But, this movie is still going to suck.
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It's admittedly self-referential (and maybe a little snarkier than I'd prefer as time goes on), but it's a solid film that just happens to have one of the darker scenes of the series in it. That said, each successive film has been increasingly wiseass...
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i'll never understand the love for Mary Elizabeth Winstead. I guess she's sort of attractive, but not overly so. And she's a really bland actress who always has a sour puss on her face.
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...but I only saw the unrated DVD cut. I enjoyed it much more than DH:WAV and DH2, which is freakin' terrible.
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....that the older action hero teamups with their children just....doesnt.....work. Ugh, Ive had enough of that shit. Give me John McClane alone and in the wrong place in the wrong time with practical effects, super swears galore, and hard R rated action and blood effects like from the first 2 movies. Then its a Die Hard film. I dont need this extended family movie bullshit. That crap fucked up Die Hard 4, Indy 4, Lethal Weapon 4, Rocky 5 (even though its not a teamup...mainly about his kid), and the Star Wars prequels (small universe feel). Utter CRAP! I have Die Hard 4 a chance in the theatres...I am not going to make the same mistake.
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Him Atherton or Badella is what would count as a cool cameo you fuckn dick..
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... you guys need to stop getting hung up over this PG-13 stuff. Live free was a good old fashioned, very little CG movie. So what that it wasn't R. Im just tired of anyone on here on AICN, "heres bruce willis doing this which is better than (Whatever bad word) LIve Free Or Die Hard, that movie wasn't that bad... Get over it already! Besides I think most PG-13 these days is a lot like R back in the day, most R movies from the 80s and even the early 90s look PG-13 for today.... Just get over it and try to enjoy a movie for once... goddamn this is Die Hard 5 we are talking about...
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as the 1st Die Hard all other Die Hards pale in comparsion. 1st one John McClane was an average Joe, the others make him into a superhero. fuck this shit.
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Seriously. The man is DEAD, Lisa. Not sleeping. Not playing dead. This is a DECEASED parrot. As a doornail. Consider the bucket, kicked. And Kevin Smith should be fucking ashamed of himself for his role in LFoDH. Did he not read the script for more than just memorizing his stupid lines? Fucking insulting. John is dead. Has been dead since the end of With a Vengeance. You know this to be true. Live Free or Die Hard was a movie with Willis's characters from Pulp Fiction and Unbreakable mashed together as a troubled and estranged from his children cop instead of a palooka turned mob-betraying boxer or subtly superpowered modern superhero-apparent. Clearly not the same guy. That WalterB came on this site to ensure us it would be awesome ("blow you through the back of the theater" were the words I believe) and then that fucking movie proceeded to take a giant insulting shit all over the surface levels of geek culture just pissed me off to no end and still tends to aggravate. I HATE that fucking movie even though MaggieQ was phenomenal (you remember her right? that "Dead Asian hooker bitch?") MacLane was never an asshole to anybody but his wife and the badguys...remember? The asshats who wrote LFoDH need to have their computers revoked by Geek Squad (nice surface level geek metaphor) and be given non-electric typewriters as a penance for turning one of the great modern cinema heroes into yet another mindless, alpha-type, never lose-never misses, all but immortal and omnipotent assholes. Even the lovely and talented Ramona Flowers couldn't save this self-loathing travesty. But then...that's just me...
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Ok..let me clarify a bit - he was never an asshole to anybody who wasn't an asshole to him first.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
"Mary Elizabeth, I gotta go to Russia to bond with my asshole son. I don't know what the fuck your brother is doing in Russia, but the script says he's there, so that's where I'm gonna go."
by Mr. Pricklepants
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Aug. 8, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
ya know what I realized when I saw Moonrise Kingdom...
by SenatorJeffersonSmith
Bruce Willis is so much better than this garbage that I can't fathom why he keeps making lesser-than sequels. He can't need the money.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
For a NYC Cop he seems to get in a lot of trouble... away from NYC
by DookieMercury
1 time sure, sure shit happens 2 times "Hey Holly, fly to NYC next time okay?" 3 times "The fuck in my own back yard?" 4 times "It's like being caught with your pants down... in Jersey" I would figure his best option is to stay the frick home. Russia? Unless he's working with the FBI, which is probable but unlikely more likely he's retired, in which case why in the bloody bloody is he in Russia for and escorted by his daughter on top of it? I see this as a rental or better yet an HBO type movie.
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Might as well bring him back from the dead.
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Hook, line and sinkkkkkzrzgghh nom nom nom
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Remember the soft drink Tab? Yes, I know you can still buy it. But it was only good in the 80's, and, despite the nostalgia, you wouldn't go out of your way to drink one. I just watch DH2 last week while recovering from surgery, and man it's just terrible. Bad, bad, bad. And the series has only gotten worse. Just let the stale Tab go, folks.
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Who gives a fuck. So Jar Jar McClane is back. WHO WOULD CARE ABOUT THIS?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
For the last time: the only real Die Hards are the first movie and With A Vengeance
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Die Hard 2 was a cynical, studio-mandated piece of shit and resembles a proto-Michael Bay movie, full of illogical story telling, plot holes, poor pacing, incomprehensible action and cardboard characters. Doesn't mean a 'tuppeny fuck that it was rated R. If it ain't John McTiernan, it ain't Die Hard.
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I thought the third movie was a turd and didn't even see the last one.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
So who surfed a f-16 fighter jet first, McClaine or Captain America? (Civil War 1st Issue.)
by Stalkeye
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So the same girl who played his daughter is returning whoopdi-fuckin-doo
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Aug. 8, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
There should be more car crashes in movies with all these drivers who never watch the road.
by Christian Sylvain
And i'm sure no one has mentioned this, but they need to stop screwing over this franchise with each new movie. Bring McTiernan back (hell, I'd even take Harlin at this point).
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why not someone more ballsy like Joe Carnahan?
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I hope she checks to see if her dad's got fillings.
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Only John McTiernan make good Die Hard movie.
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But yeah, this is going to suck
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Does he look like a bitch, nom nom nom
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Eat it, Harvey.
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I am baffled by the dismissal of DH3 here at AICN. It was a huge hit and I remember seeing this multiple times in theaters with friends and family. Why talk about this franchise at all here if we hate all of them but the first? I am am a fan of the first three and found the fourth to have moments.
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...only the first two Die Hard movies are Die Hard movies. Die Hard with a Vengeance is Lethal Weapon 5, and the Die Hard 4 was a nice try, but really just a try.
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I have to agree with you. I felt in LFoDH we were seeing Bruce play his same character from 16 Blocks.
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...adjusted for inflation!<p> Die Hard 2: Die Harder $222,855,400<p> Die Hard: With A Vengeance $184,390,900<p> Die Hard $161,978,300<p> Live Free or Die Hard $156,820,600<p>
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And neither should you. After all - can ten million twilight fans be wrong? YES
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It will bring back all the side players and family from the whole franchise. This time the family is all coming together. John has finally made amends with the entire family but still hates his ex wives new husband. The family get together is then taken over by jihadist extremists. Maybe take it back to a building, possibly New York, possibly LA. Maybe it's the Hotel that they are staying at that is crowded for the Holidays and is housing very important politicians and CEO's. Once again John is in the wrong place at the wrong time. He cleans house on the bad guys with the occasional assistance from the kids. McClane should sacrifice himself to save the day and his family. Leave him dying in the arms of his family as Silen Night plays into the background. Whether you water it down PG-13 or give us the R we've been missing, his final words before he dies is..."Yippee kay yay...motherfuckers..." Final scene shows the funeral of all the people who knew John. He gets the full ceremony, and the flag goes to his ex wife who loses it. Camera pans up as officers fire their rifles into the air. Roll Credits
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
Live Free Or Die Hard was fucking awesome. This picture of these two characters actually has me excited for the first time to see this film. FACT
by Xen11
I love these two characters (as I do the actors.) All the Die Hard films are phenomenal. No matter what, its always going to seem like a stretch when you make another sequel to this series. It's the same with the 24 series, as well as so many others. Seeing these two gives me that warm fuzzy feeling I had of father and daughter in the 4th film. Guess what? You fucking bitches hate everything. Stop whining. Go do some charity work and if you still feel like whining, consider ceasing stuffing your fat fucking face with crappy foods. You'll feel better. Get some sleep. Stop taking pills.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
Die Hard 2 - Where Andrews Air Force Base apparently doesn't exist..
by Lao_Che_Air_Freight
And Dulles Airport outside of DC gets their telephone service from Pac Bell..
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I actually like your premise. I'd see your film, not this sequel which just looks like crappy Live Free or Die Hard all over again. You know this isn't a true Die Hard film when it is being dumped in February
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
Unless there is extreme profanity, barbaric violence, and non-stop adrenaline.....
by BoyNamedSue
Then this is most decidedly NOT a Die Hard movie!!!!! At least Rambo 4 got it right!!!!
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Why the hate?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
The ONE thing Live Free or Die Hard Got Right — Credence Clearwater Revival
by BoyNamedSue
"Fortunate Son" was the PERFECT song to go on the soundtrack as it pertains to the John McClaine character. I'll see this movie opening weekend.....but I fully expect it to be just another average Bruce Willis movie. The first three films were really special and unique.......unfortunately, John McTiernan couldn't obey the law and went to prison :(
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST
Yeah, it was a cop out for more cash to make live free PG-13, but aside from the jarring Silent Bob scene, it was NOT a terrible movie
by wcolbert
I didn't think the airplane scene was necessary, but then, we all know if they'd had the same level of CGI in the 80's, the first Die Hard would've had some crazy CGI shit in it too. They really do not make them like they used to. I wish they would. But they don't.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST
McClaine was way too confident in himself in the last movie
by BoyNamedSue
I don't even think McClaine was scared or afraid during a single point in the last Die Hard movie......NOT of dying, necessarily......he just was never afraid he was going to lose! WHERE is the drama in that?!?!?! (whereas he was terrified of losing to the bad guy in the first three films). If a sixth film is made, put McClaine in an isolated situation. Just like the first film. Willis' chemistry with Samuel L. Jackson was entertaining, but the McClaine character is at his best when he goes it alone and the elements are overwhelmingly not in his favor. Not that Hollywood listens to me or anything.....
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST
LFODH soundtrack needed a classical overture — just like the first three
by BoyNamedSue
I realize Michael Kamen is long dead, but couldn't somebody have at least tried to mimic his style for the last Die Hard movie? A Die Hard film needs a classical musical soundtrack to not only sound like a Die Hard film, but to distinguish it from other movies. LFODH was just your standard, run-of-the mill soundtrack.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST
How the hell did McClaine go from being a NY cop to an LA cop to a NY cop again anyway?
by BoyNamedSue
That was never really explained in Die Hard 3. Why did he go back to New York after it was clearly explained in DH2 that he relocated to LA......but in DH3 he's a NY cop again, and it's almost as if DH2 never happened!
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Aug. 8, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST
I don't mind the 4th one, but its not the greatest either. She was definitely the best part of it
by Rebel Scumb
Instead of a 5th diehard how about a spinoff with Lucy Maclane as the wrong hot girl in the wrong place at the wrong time?
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
I can't believe with all these wacky non-numerical titles they haven't yet used 'OLD HABITS DIE HARD'
by Rebel Scumb
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Wonder if that will be used
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Aug. 8, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
The only cameos that would matter would be actors from 1-3. Part 4 isn't "canon," I refuse to let it taint the other 3.
by SirGaryColeman
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...and set Die Hard VI ("Die Hard Another Day") in an old folks home!
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One of the most beautiful women I've ever seen. She said she had never worn a cheerleader uniform until Death Proof. Best picture of her: http://actress-wallpapers.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mary-izabeth-winstead.jpg
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...Indiana Jones' son was, in passing the torch to continue the franchise with a younger star. Just reboot Die Hard and forget this "son takes up the mantle" bullshit.
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For the first time in a long time, (but at least my 200th viewing) and it still holds up remarkably well. An absolute testament to great film making, standing the test of time, and remaining a true action classic. Every sequel, my definition, will become diluted and sanitised. If you don't want anything to do with the follow ups, avoid them, do what I do...throw the original in the box and have an awesome good time.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 9:05 p.m. CST
Was she in Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter very much? I might rent that someday
by Adelai Niska
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You think a cameo by Winstead (as HOT as she is) will appease the fans or mask the clusterfuck it probably will be bound to be? The 4th was just not up to scratch. But a man's love for McClane knows no bounds and WE ALL KNOW we're going to check out no. 5, we can't help ourselves.
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Hans Gruber is one of the greatest movie ever.
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..snatching another candy bar!
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LFoDH and DH2 lacked an awesome enemy like Gruber or his brother. In LFoDH, the all-mighty, all-seeInf computer guy seemed like an idea from the 80's. And the actor, as awesome as he is in Justified, was pretty bland. He couldn't do much with the part written for him.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST
The son as partner/sidekick? Because it worked so well for Indiana Jones...
by garagons
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Aug. 8, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST
Sheriff Pepper from "Live and Let Die" . . . or am I confused, boy?
by kabong
Now that would a cam e oh, boy.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
Don't forget Ghostbusters 3 as another ridiculous "pass-the-torch" idea
by WWBD
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
cletus: That damn commercial popped into my head just yesterday.
by MCVamp
Sea-gram's...Golden Wine Cooler...me and the boys, love it, love, love it all the tiiiiiime.
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quit the internet and start chasing girls. Then one will get pregnant somehow, her secret boyfriends will try to kill me, I will need to pay child support, she'll try to take me for all I have, and my life will be ruined by a sweet little whore who turned out to be a fucked up cunt. Yea, I'm gonna stick with the internet.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST
Shit. I was hoping it was Jerry, the know-it-all truck driver from With a Vengeance....
by YourMomsBox3D
Still in cut-off sleeves and all.
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Cherish it as I do when I have sex with my wife.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST
cletus van damme: The reference to cletus van damme makes you a hero forver. What a fucking masterpiece series that was!
by Xen11
Walton Goggins created one of the best and most memorable characters EVER in Shane Vendrell.
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Fucking learn.
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Sorry, pressed enter instead of Tab. Very happy about this, this now has "Lamprey's Law" score of at least 2. I will explain this via a different forum.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST
Why not bring Willis to AICN to chat with the talkbackers like Stallone did?
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
Backfired you say? What a cunt he was.
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They still make Tab? Too many fucking choices America. Spoiled babies.
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Face it. No bad guy is going to top Hans and therefore no Die Hard is going to top the original. So just bring him back as a cyborg or something.
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The movie was considered a disappointment when it was released but I think it has gotten better over time despite its flaws. Jeremy Irons was an excellent choice for the villain. Very cunning and intimidating but very likeable.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
Now there are only 5 of them. Great line! 5 of em gang banging you in real life but whatever.
by UltraTron
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I think, as I feel it happens so very often with these "adversary" type films, it always, always, always, depends on the bad guy. Darth Vader to Luke Skywalker (ignoring the prequels), Lex Luthor to Superman. Skynet to John Connor, and Hans Gruber/Simon Gruber to John McLane. Rickman was perfect as Gruber. Perfect. One of the all-time great cinema villains. Jeremy Irons is a better actor than the role that was given him in part 3 but between the two, it worked like a charm. Part of it was we actually went into the bad guys world a little bit and saw how it was "normal" and not ominous droning music and mustache twisting. We saw infighting, even betrayal. We saw those who believe and those who cynically manipulated them for their own profit. None of that really occurred in the 2nd one and I think this was a big part of it's plain mediocrity compared to the other 2. BUT!...and this is important...the first 3 had 100% undiluted John McLane. It was the exact same guy, beaten and bloodied nearly to death, from the first movie in the following 2 sequels. And that's where it ended. Sure, there was some token betrayal in the third (killing the computer geeks) but it was token and they were practically terrified slaves as it was (meanwhile, the main villain and their top crew experienced infighting or betrayal in the 1st and 3rdd films). All of this made the bad guys simply more interesting, their perspectives more compelling and believable. And McLane's humitlity and glib (and hilarious) reactions to the crazy shit that happened to him and his "readily apparent" everyman quality made him truly heroic. Badguy-wise, LFoDH was basically Speed2 but not on a boat and without Sandra Bullock - great actors portraying characters with shallow, rather pathetic, token revenge motives. They should have just sued their former employers instead of pulling the criminal bullshit they did - they'd likely have won. If you're not going to bother making a 3-dimensional villain then the hero has nothing. Of course - it doesn't really matter as the "everyman hero" from the first 3 movies was nowhere to be found in the 4th. I don't want to watch more of the faux-McLane from the 4th movie. And I don't believe anybody in the production even knows how to bring him back. I'd be delighted to be wrong on that - but I'm not.
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Then another Die Hard.
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..i loved the way in the first 2 films Mclane was out of his depth an up against it. There was a slight turning point in Vengance, even though he's suffering a severe hangover and is chasing his tail throughout you knew he was gonna kick whoevers ass he went up against. As for LFODH, Mclane had evolved (devolved??) into generic action hero and so you were left in no doubt that he would prevail. The Last Boy Scout is more "Mclane" than LFODH...oh and bring back the hair..Bruce Willis is bald, John Mclane is balding. I love me some Die Hard, seen the first at the cinema, and when DH2 was released, we went to a midnight double bill screening of DH and DH2 at the old odeon cinema in Edinburgh. It finished at around 4 am, none of us had enough money for taxis so we walked about 8 miles to get home. Nobody bothered thanks to the Die Hard high!
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It even had that same blue collar action hero feel to it with Bruce Willis playing his McLane character under a different name. I was hoping they would hire Shane Black to pen a Die Hard script but I guess that's too much to ask for.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST
Dennis Franz' constant bitching at McClane in Die Hard 2 as annoying as Kate Capshaw's whining in Temple Of Doom?
by openthepodbaydoorshal
Just watched DH 2 and 3 over the weekend, and I gotta give ol' Renny credit for a well directed sequel, when it could've easily turned to crap. One problem though, is that McClane pulls a Jack Bauer, showing up all over the airport in a matter of minutes, fake underground tunnels or not.
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Die Hard and With A Vengeance are excellent. If it ain't John McTiernan...
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Aug. 9, 2012, 1:49 p.m. CST
I love in DH2 when McClane gets his ass kicked by William Sadler and thrown off the plane
by kidicarus
That's exactly as it should be. Sadler is an elite special ops soldier, McClane is a regular cop who somehow manages to still beat the bad guy through improvisation and a little bit of luck. The new one will have him beating up KGB (excuse me, FSS) bad guys left and right.
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It's a shame that they couldn't get Gibson and Glover to star in it.
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Aug. 10, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST
man i wanted the cameo to be jim carrey as the riddler. :(
by Balkin Flabgurter
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