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AICN COMICS REVIEWS: HAWKEYE! BEFORE WATCHMEN – OZYMANDIAS! WARLORD OF MARS! HARVEST! DEADWORLD! & MORE!

Issue #14 Release Date: 8/1/12 Vol.#11
The Pull List
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Advance Review: BEFORE WATCHMEN – OZYMANDIAS #2
MIND MGMT #3
HAWKEYE #1
UGLI STUDIOS PRESENTS #1
WARLORD OF MARS #20
MORTIFERA #0-1
HARVEST #1
DEADPOOL KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE #1
RED DEVIL RISING: JOHNNY RED TPB
A VS X #9
DEADWORLD: WAR OF THE DEAD #1


Advance Review: In stores today!

BEFORE WATCHMEN: OZYMANDIAS #2

Writer: Len Wein
Artist: Jae Lee
Publisher: DC Comics
Reviewer: Optimous Douche


Now the real war begins. We fought the broad battle of the BEFORE WATCHMEN “haters” versus the “let’s see how it goes” factions in concept alone. It seems to have split the comic populace down a 50/50 divide. I chose my “let’s see” loyalties early, vowing never to shit on any comic before reading it.

So while I don’t know what’s going on in the hater camp except the ineffective SCUD missile volleys at us “lets’ see” folks of FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN with no follow-up, I can say with certainty that the “let’s see” camp is now hearing the sound of war drums from within our own ranks as we begin infighting based on the merits of each individual title.

As we sit around the campfire at night, regaling one another with our adventures in each book, clear patterns are starting to form. SILK SPECTRE seems to be overwhelmingly doing no wrong; it’s our common denominator of comic goodness. Other titles like NITE OWL, MINUTEMEN and COMEDIAN seem to be leaving us all in fifty shades of emotional gray, eliciting neither undying admiration nor vehement hatred; a plethora of “meh’s” seem to sing out in chorus at the mention of these books. OZYMANDIAS, though, has made us more polarized then a pair of your grandmother’s gigantic Blue Blockers. Love or loathe seem to be the only options when it comes to OZYMANDIAS’ back story.

Sadly, it took me until this issue to gain clarity on why my comrades in arms are either spitting on this book or wanting to give it the proverbial “moosh moosh” before bed at night. OZYMANDIAS breaks the fundamental rule of good storytelling: it tells much more than it shows.

Personally, I like illustrated novels, so heavy narrative doesn’t really bug me. However, I fully understand that comics are their own medium and as art has improved over the years narrative boxes have become less and less important. I don’t fault my fellow camp mates for this type of presentation bristling their comic sensibilities. I was giving OZYMANDIAS leeway with issue one; exposition issues tend to be narrative-heavy to pack in the character’s back story and moment before (or in this case, forward story, and moment after in WATCHMEN) and to set up the action for subsequent issues. But when Issue 2 followed in suit as Ozymandias officially dons his purple and gold to strike fear in the hearts of the rapscallions who fed his girlfriend’s taste for the white powder, I started to realize the narrative could be a conscious and insightful choice on the part of Wein.

Where would the smartest man in the world choose to live? He would be a man who lived in his own thoughts, even when directly interacting with other people. Why? Because he is Jane Goodall, and humans are the apes he must live with. As an only child, I relate to Ozymandias. Growing up, I often found myself lost amongst my peers pining for more adult interactions every day at school. I’m no Ozymandias, but I lived in my head on a daily basis, using my imagination as an escape from the perceived lesser minds around me. I lived my life as a narrative, because the cacophony of child chatter around me was uninspired and uninteresting.

Maybe this isn’t a conscious choice on the part of Wein, but I know matter-of-factly that each creator put a lot of thought into this project because any missteps would be met with exponentially harsher scrutiny given how people covet the source material versus other books.

Despite being short on dialog bubbles, Jae Lee keeps the issue moving at a rapid pace. As Ozymandias’ mind races, Lee breaks panel boundaries to present encompassing scenescapes as broad as Ozymandias’ thought. In one brilliant panel, Lee makes thought kinetic bombarding Ozymandias’ eye with formulas and symbology as he sizes upon his next attack. One small panel--a perfect embodiment of what makes Ozymandias the king of WATCHMEN kings.

Next up – CRIMEBUSTERS.

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MIND MGMT #3

Writer/Artist: Matt Kindt
Publisher: Dark Horse Comics
Reviewer: The Dean


Put simply, MIND MGMT is essential monthly reading. This is one of the few series on the stands that’s actually worth every penny of its $3.99 price tag. Matt Kindt has created something truly inspiring with this comic, and it’s not necessarily the story that’s keeping me hooked as much as it is the amount of content mashed into every page (including the back covers!), which almost makes this series an ideological statement as much as it is a great mystery. I recommend waiting for trades on almost everything out there, because that’s just the way they write ‘em these days, but I’m happy to tell you that this one is worth a monthly excursion, especially since it might take you a month to wring all the substance out of the last issue. MIND MGMT#3 continues Meru’s journey through China as she searches for Henry Lyme and the answers she hopes he can deliver. She’s quickly left defenseless and lost, armed with only a translation device, until she’s directed to visit ‘the Old Man’ who courteously foreshadows her fate. Meru is then pointed in the right direction, but it isn’t long before less altruistic characters manage to pick up her scent, and it seems her long awaited talk with Mr. Lyme may soon be violently interrupted. This issue is coupled with shorts “The Second Floor” and “The Ad Man,” which continue to grow Kindt’s impressively large story for only its third installment. I can’t say that I’m totally into the story just yet, as there’s a lot to keep track of and Kindt is moving it along at a pretty brisk pace, but I’m certainly intrigued by it, and the characters (Meru in particular) are becoming more engrossing with each passing issue.

With a mystery this large and complex, there isn’t a lot of room for artistic liberties in the overall graphic narrative. Readers shouldn’t have to waste their time figuring out what’s happening from panel to panel when you want their focus to be on the elaborate plot you’ve built. Fortunately, Kindt is able to keep his story enigmatic, instead of confusing, by maintaining an entirely readable panel progression but still throwing in a few dazzlers here and there to keep things interesting. The vision of Meru that the Old Man sees when he first encounters her is particularly striking, as it’s one of the few times the art breaks through the live area restrictions that head every page, and the ethereal visage has an almost refreshing quality to it that paces the story nicely amidst a somber opening, and an intense close.

MIND MGMT is an intriguing story coupled with impressive artwork, but that’s almost secondary to the overall package this series provides. I’d truly like to recommend this title on principle alone - when there’s so much put into one issue that even the back cover and margins are utilized, without a single advertisement to interrupt your reading, it’s difficult to argue that you’re not getting your money’s worth. I still think $3.99 (even $2.99) is too much for any single issue, but if you have to spend it, let it be for something like MIND MGMT.


HAWKEYE #1

Writer: Matt Fraction
Art: David Aja
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Henry Higgins is My Homeboy


Proving “Bow And Arrow Dude” Is Cool.

“Bow And Arrow Dude” is what my non-nerd friends called Hawkeye after THE AVENGERS came out. They were impressed, but generally didn’t understand why he was on the team. It’s the common criticism, asking why you would need someone with good aim to be on the same team as Thor, Iron Man, and the Hulk. I’m not even the biggest fan of Hawkeye, but I will happily defend his role on the team. Fraction seems to be on the same page, as he spends the first issue of the new HAWKEYE series just proving that Hawkeye is badass. It’s a very engaging introduction to the title and the character for the uninitiated, and a solid first issue all around. Fraction’s solid writing makes the issue stand out, and with remarkable art by David Aja complimenting it all, this is a very good start to a title.

Writing: (4/5) Clint is an immensely enjoyable character to read throughout the issue. Clint comes across as unspeakably cool throughout the issue, but not in a cold, uninteresting way. His coolness is earned, just through the opening pages of Fraction’s writing. We’re never told he’s cool, or shown him walking away from an explosion in slow motion. Rather, the opening pages have him stuck in a hospital gurney with severe injuries following an unexplained adventure. It’s his attitude, his way of speaking, his little grammar choices that remind the reader he’s more of an average guy than almost any other major superhero.

There aren’t any major problems with the issue, just a few smaller faults. Clint feels a little too saintly here. He’s never really at fault or has any real character flaws. He may have a temper, but it’s always displayed at times when it makes him the damaged party.Art: (5/5) Aja (whose previous work includes IMMORTAL IRON FIST with Fraction) is a fantastic choice for this title. I’ve only seen a little of his work post IRON FIST, and I’m extremely glad to see him getting consistent work again. The art is fantastic throughout the whole issue.

As he leaves the hospital, Clint comments on his love for New York. It’s a thread done by countless New York based heroes, but Aja gives NYC an energy that’s absent from other titles. The interlude with the taxi rush, the skyline during the roof party….it manages to make New York look realistic while retaining this odd sense of wonder. Aja just makes everything feel real and dirty and lived in. There isn’t much action here, but what we do see is very exciting. Aja has only improved since IRON FIST, and his creativity with the page shines. A fight scene in an underground casino is fast, furious, and brilliantly framed.

Hollingsworth does a great job on colours as well, keeping everything defined and clear while retaining a beautiful sense of placement. The underground casino fight scene could easily become muddled and unrecognizable, but Hollingsworth finds a way to make it vivid and clear.

Best Moment: The underground casino fight is just an awesome dream.

Worst Moment: I wish Clint was a bit more three dimensional in this issue.

Overall: (4/5) A wonderful start to an exciting series.


UGLI STUDIOS PRESENTS #1

Writer: Jason Lenox & David Paul
Artist: Jason Lenox
Publisher: Ugli Studios
Reviewer: Lyzard


Though I have a hard time regarding a two piece feature an anthology, semantics out of the way, UGLI STUDIOS PRESENTS #1 works. The comics are disparate in tone and genre, while remaining on par with each other.

THROUGH THE EYES OF GRIZELDA is a combination between LORD OF THE RINGS and Egyptian mythology. Necromancer Amon Kadesh terrorizes the land of Xendria with the help of the Great Beast. The story is told from the point of view of Princess Grizelda, a particularly troublesome black cat.

Plot-wise the comparisons to the mythos of ancient Egypt are rather clear. In regards to “Lord of the Rings”, the similarities are more visual. From the map of the realms of Xendria followed by the font for the prologue, they are all similar to the works of Tolkien. The very first panel features the image of a tower seen through the vertically slit yellow eye of Grizelda, nearly identical to Sauron’s Great Eye. Amon Kadesh’s undead army overruns the humans of Xendria just like the orcs and trolls of Sauron’s troops. The similarities continue in regards to the relationship between the necromancer and the feline, parallel to Sauron and the wizard Saruman.

The artwork has numerous influences. Clearly there is going to be an Egyptian look, but the castle resembles a medieval fortress, and both armies feature armor styled from ancient Greece, Rome, and various Anglo-Saxon tribes of the Dark Ages.

Usually I would find such dialogue as “but their trite ambitions do not sit well with me” to be bathos (think of melodramatic like HIGHLANDER) but based on the style in regards to plot, characterization, and artwork, the wording fits.

As for the second story, THE GREAT VERMIN, it as well plays off of famous works, this time ALIEN (in particular ALIENS) and THE TWILIGHT ZONE. An alien extermination team has traveled to a planet in order to rid it of species X2987, regarded as the Great Vermin. Things quickly turn sour and out come the flame throwers.

As I read this comic it did seem to be falling into the realm of melodrama, becoming too serious for its own good. However, at the story’s conclusion the punch it delivers saved the day.

As the artwork and writing are done by the same team as THROUGH THE EYES OF GRIZELDA (Jason Lenox & David Paul) the quality of work is at the same level. Obviously the dialogue and artistic style are adjusted for the change of genre, but both pieces play off as homage instead of rip offs.

Both stories are incredibly short, 14 and 6 pages respectively. Hopefully, if UGLI STUDIOS PRESENTS continues there will be more stories like these two. In fact, I would be happy to see a collection of three comics as short as THE GREAT VERMIN since I feel the ability to tell such a well-written story so succinctly is a rarity.

Lyzard is actually Lyz Reblin, a senior screenwriting major with an English minor at Chapman University. Along with writing for AICN, she has been published twice on the subject of vampire films.


WARLORD OF MARS #20

Writer: Arvid Nelson
Artist: Vicente Tifuentes
Publisher: Dynamite Entertainment
Reviewer: Masked Man


Don’t you hate it when you’re enjoying a good blend of writer and artist, then one of them takes off? Argh! That just frick’n happened. Last issue I was really enjoying Stefano Martino’s art, a real top notch talent. This issue, he’s not here- @#%&! Now, penciler for a day Vicente Tifuentes is a decent enough artist. His pages look good enough. The temples and monsters are really great, though his figure work could use a little work. Most of the poses are a bit awkward. John Carter looks way too similar to his son Carthoris. I often couldn’t tell them appear until I read the dialogue. Tifuentes’ storytelling could be better, too. You see, comic book art isn’t all about pretty figure drawing; it’s about telling a story with pictures. Now I know everyone says that, but here’s what it means: drawing what best conveys the story on each panel. The artist has to ask themselves, ‘what is the most important thing/the main point of this panel?’ For example: is it character A who stabbed character B,or that character B was stabbed by character A? Each one would be drawn differently. If you have great looking figures but you’re not showing us what we need to see, when we need to see it, you’re just killing the story. Now, I’m not saying Tifuentes is killing the story, but if he’s not careful he could easily start doing it. Looking back, if Tifuentes drew both issues I’d probably be fine with that. But after reading Martino’s first issue, it’s hard to get over the disappointment.

Arvid Nelson does a fine job of wrapping up this mini-story. As with his first original story, he’s trying to bridge the gaps, if any, between Burroughs’ books. Here he is spending a little time explaining how the black Martians (a group of religious zealots) can work with John Carter--the guy would exposed their fake goddess, Issus. To this he creates Linea, the granddaughter of Issus. Linea decides she is not down with the doomsday weapon her father unleashes after Issus is killed, so she helps John Carter and his son Carthoris in shutting it down. It’s a brisk two issue story, with some good action and nice development between the black and red Martians. Linea is a good character, too; unfortunately, she has no role in Burroughs’ next book. As a small side note, I do wish Nelson pushed the size of the Silians a bit more. It would have been great if someone said something like, “Are they big enough for ya now!” on page 12 or 13. Either way, a nice tale and I’m looking forward to the start of WARLORD OF MARS. Not to be confused with the title of the comic book, it’s the title of the next Edgar Rice Burroughs book in the Barsoom (Mars) series that Dynamite is adapting. With any luck Martino’s fine art will grace the pages--says so on their website.

Lastly, just to poke fun at things gone wrong, what the heck happened on page three? Seems like there was supposed to be a big flash of light, but it’s not there--d’oh! So, artistic disappointment aside, “Worms of Mars” was pretty good--it scores a 3 out of 4.


MORTIFERA #0-1

Writer: Stephan Frost
Illustrator: Sarah Partington
Publisher: Sea Lion Books
Reviewer: Mr. Pasty


When I first heard that MORTIFERA was being published as a comic book, I couldn’t believe someone was able to convince Sea Lion Press to construct a graphic novel around a Black Metal band out of France. Then again, if Coldplay can get a comic book, I guess anyone can. Fortunately, I had gotten ahead of myself, as MORTIFERA has nothing to do with the music industry and instead spins a yarn about a demon-hunting militia formed in the dark ages. Think INFERNO -- but without all the spandex and quasi-hallucinations.

What I loved about this book is its simplicity. The entire premise is explained in one page. In fact, they may have even pulled it off in one panel. And you know what? Sometimes that’s all you need. When a priest goes rogue and tries to open a portal to hell, he accidentally lets in a few thousand demons who want to stake a claim to their new surroundings by killing everything in their path. Ever open the back door of your house on a hot summer night with all the lights on? Same principle. The good news is writer Stephan Frost doesn’t cheat the reader out of any exposition, assuming they’re privy to issue zero before picking up numero uno. The meat and potatoes of his narrative is the quest of “two sibling demon hunters (Catherine and Ethan) and a renegade demon that all seek to slaughter the damned throughout medieval Europe.” Earth’s initial demon invasion was stymied by the original MORTIFERA, but when the faction grew old and lazy, the few remaining hellspawns that survived the first war, led by the demon Kanisus, came out of hiding to stage a second offensive on the unsuspecting land. Now, the three banditos must find a way to stop them.

I like Frost’s idea to include a renegade demon, kind of like the T-800 helping the Connors vanquish the T-1000, and he finds a nice way to balance dialogue and action. I’m also happy to report that Sarah Partington’s artwork is faithful to the time period and her demons are sufficiently scary. She also demonstrates subtle differences in her palette that help enhance action scenes and draw out important intricacies when needed. Battles are muted and brown while magic is bold and bright. Those kinds of details, which seem like illustration 101, are often overlooked in indie books, so it was refreshing to see the MORTIFERA team hit all their marks. This is clearly a tandem that tells stories because they have a story to tell, not because they think it would be cool to make a comic book. The proof is in the pudding as MORTIFERA delivers what every comic book should: Action, drama, humor and lots of pretty pictures. More please.

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HARVEST #1

Writer: A.J. Lieberman
Artist: Colin Lorimer
Publisher: Image Comics
Reviewed by Humphrey Lee


Come and listen to a story about a man named Ben. A whoremonger and a cokehead was he, when he wasn’t performing major surgery. Then one day when paged after a night of snorting, two orphans he did make, and now he’s resorted to a life of trafficking. Organs, that is. Black marketing.

So, yeah, that little ditty was probably pretty terrible and, yes, HARVEST is a pretty dark little comic book. It’s dark in all the right kinds of ways, mind you, but dark nonetheless. The book’s lead, Benjamin Dane, is a bit of a prick. He’s the cocky, god-complex wearing surgeon we tend to see on the TV and in the movies but with all the self-control of a member of Motley Crue when you put a drug in front of him. Obviously these two things aren’t the best combination of traits for a person to have, especially when they are manifesting in a character that you are eventually supposed to root for. And, honestly, I applaud Lieberman and Lorimer on this, for while we do get a pretty steady roll out of “loveable bastard” type character these days, such as Al Swearengen, Dr. House, Don Draper, etc. – characters that HARVEST itself invokes in some of its solicits – there’s a key component to that labeling: the “loveable” part. They may all be really screwed up and flawed characters, but they each exude something you can get behind, be it Draper’s smoothness, House’s intellect, and so on. So far Benjamin Dane is really anything but loveable, making his eventual road to redemption that much more distant and rough.

The rest of this introductory issue of HARVEST is just that: more introduction. The opening of the book is actually a part of that journey Ben needs to make as we see him coming to do some bad things to a man we have to assume has been part of his personal hell since he landed there. We also catch a glimpse of the people Ben is going to be working for, some rough customers that aren’t particular to the word “no”, especially the sexy/deadly night nurse Greer. The book paces out well, though it maybe jumps around a little much, but gives you all the information you need and puts the emphasis where it needs to be: Ben is kind of a mess and his life is about to get even messier than the woman he helped along to a grim death and the lives of the kids she left behind, which are going to be the “Ghost of Christmas Future” if you will that scares his ass (somewhat more) straight.

Colin Lorimer’s art here is the first time I’ve experienced but it also feels “familiar” in that it’s a pretty lush while being grungy style. It kind of reminds me a bit of Alex Maleev’s stuff circa his and Brian Michael Bendis’ DAREDEVIL run; it’s a very smooth style but has this graininess to it that, combined with some heavy shading, gives it a very modern noir feel. It wraps up a package that I feel is going to play out very well as a dark crime thriller with an appropriate gallows humor about it. If anything, it will be worth watching to see if Lieberman and Lorimer pull off the redemption of such a character who is in as harsh a situation as any of the aforementioned examples of the archetype he is being grouped into as far as what he has done, what he will do, and what he does after he realizes how fucked the things he has done have been. “Medical grade revenge” is the tagline du jour of HARVEST but I am much more interested in that other word with the “re” prefix and if it can even be obtained. Four more issues is definitely an easy commitment to make to see how the journey down that path plays out.

Humphrey Lee has been an avid comic book reader going on fifteen years now and a contributor to Ain't It Cool comics for quite a few as well. In fact, reading comics is about all he does in his free time and where all the money from his day job wages goes to - funding his comic book habit so he can talk about them to you, our loyal readers (lucky you). He's a bit of a social networking whore, so you can find him all over the Interwebs on sites like Twitter, The MySpaces, Facebookand a blog where he also mostly talks about comics with his free time because he hasn't the slightest semblance of a life. Sad but true, and he gladly encourages you to add, read, and comment as you will.


DEADPOOL KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE #1

Writer: Cullen Bunn
Art: Dalibor Talajić
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: The Writing Rambler


It took two readings for me to actually enjoy DEADPOOL KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE #1. The first time it just didn't have enough of what I was looking for. I don't know why I expected more of a story from something with such a self explanatory title but, to fault myself, I did. Going back a second time I tried to compare the book to something I really hated recently, which was AVENGERS VS XMEN VS. That book and its story-less punchfests made me realize for a story with such a self-referencing title this Deadpool book was actually not as bad as I first thought.

Cullen Bunn tells a simple enough story where we have The Watcher introducing us to an alternate world where Psycho Man is planning to build an army to help him overthrow the earth and Deadpool is his first candidate. To Psycho Man's dismay, his reprogramming of "the merc with a mouth" doesn't work the way he planned and he unleashes a much darker part of Deapool's mind on this world's Marvel Universe. While the kill count was actually a little low in a book that is only set to be 4 issues long, I'm assuming now that we have the "why" of the story out of the way we can have some fun watching Deadpool absolutely brutalize the Marvel U's best and brightest.

Dalibor Talajić's artwork ran a little flat for me and was the weakest part of the book. The backgrounds especially just took me out of the story and took away from what could have been some nice tense death scenes. There's nothing horrible about his work here, but again it just comes across as mediocre in a book that I hoped would be overall very good.

My final gripe is that on the front cover of the book there is a large "PARENTAL ADVISORY: NOT FOR KIDS" stamped to warn parents of the horrors within, but to my dismay it really wasn't that horrible. Granted, the book clearly isn't intended for kids, but I've seen much worse within the pages of other books. Maybe I'm desensitized from years of poor choices, but with such a warning on the front cover and the fact that this book is basically a "What If" story that has no repercussions on the real Marvel Universe you would think the writer/artist would have taken more risk and made this a much more gruesome book.

I do enjoy watching Deadpool go a lot darker than in his normal series, and for that I'll follow along with this limited 4 issue series if only to keep up with the body count. While I expected a lot more from this book I'll give it the benefit of the doubt and hope a fun and much darker story unfolds over the next 3 issues.

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RED DEVIL RISING: JOHNNY RED TPB

Writer: Tom Tully
Illustrator: John Colquhoun
Publisher: Titan Books
Reviewer: superhero


When I reviewed the Titan Books edition of CHARLEY'S WAR: HITLER'S YOUTH several months back I called out a particular section of the narrative that veered away from the main story established in earlier pages of the book. This segment had to do with WWI fighter planes and all of the crazy situations that surrounded them on their many missions over the skies of Europe. It turned out that the bi-plane fighter sequences were my favorite part of that book and that the rest of it, while surely entertaining, didn't really hold a candle to the manic exploits of the aerial acrobats who duked it out in the skies of the "War to End All Wars."

So when Titan sent me this volume of RED DEVIL RISING: JOHNNY RED I was pretty happy to get it. As unfair as it was, I was holding this book up to the standards set by HITLER'S YOUTH. Sure, not all war comics are exactly alike, but I'd been pleased by so many of Titan's previous publications of old British war comics that I couldn't imagine that wouldn't live up to what Titan had put out before.

It turns out that Titan has once again fulfilled my expectations of them. Everything that I loved about the fighter plane tales in HITLER'S YOUTH is magnified almost times ten in RED DEVIL RISING: JOHNNY RED. In RED DEVIL RISING we are treated to the over the top escapades of WWII fighter pilot Johnny Redburn. Seems like Redburn has a certain knack for getting himself into all kinds of trouble and because of his temper has been kicked out of England's RAF for striking a superior officer. With nowhere to go and no one to turn to, Johnny finds himself joining the 5th Soviet Air Brigade just so he can keep flying and fighting the good fight. Of course, Johnny is seen as an outcast by many of his comrades and that's where much of the conflict arises in RED DEVIL RISIN--that and the fact that any time they take to the skies German fighters are trying their best to make mincemeat of Johnny and his rag-tag group of ace pilots.

The art in RED DEVIL RISING is absolutely fantastic. Artist John Colquhoun is able to capture the stress of struggling to survive as a member of a WWII fighter plane squadron perfectly. There's a power to his artwork that makes every page of action in the book believable and engaging. The style of the ink work here is completely frenzied yet controlled. To me, the artist of RED DEVIL RISING would almost seem to be engraving his pages with ink as he went along. It's a bold and powerful technique that does more than craft a story, it sucks you in and almost makes you feel as if you're experiencing the action yourself. There were points when I was looking at the book and the intensity of the art would just suck me in and I could feel my shoulders tensing up as I read through the story.

The stories themselves are pretty fantastic. From the very beginning of the book, when Johnny learns of a debilitating injury that may take him out of the skies permanently, to every fantastically crazed dogfight Redburn and his compatriots struggle to endure through, RED DEVIL RISING delivers perfectly executed storytelling. The characters are all over the top pilot types with just enough depth to their personalities that they don't seem like all-out caricatures, and the pacing of the action is just set to overdrive. Writer Tom Tully has imbued his wartime flyer tales with fantastically staged action pieces and included just a small dash of humanity which makes the stories relatable to the common reader.

If you are a fan of war comics then you must run out and pick up RED DEVIL RISING. I believe it should be a required purchase for anyone who considers himself a connoisseur of hard-edged wartime fiction.

Discovered as a babe in an abandoned comic book storage box and bitten by a radioactive comic fan when he was a teenager, superhero is actually not-so mild mannered sometime designer & cartoonist, Kristian Horn of Los Angeles, California. Some of his work can be seen at www.kristianhorn.com and check out his blog at www.parttimefanboy.com. You can check also out his webcomics at www.babybadass.com and thediplomatics.com, which is currently in development.


A VS X #9

Writer: Various
Script: Jason Aaron
Artist: Adam Kubert
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Reviewer: Masked Man


So we are starting to head towards the conclusion of The Avengers vs the X-Men, and being the mixed bag of nuts this series is, it never seems to let up. The flash forward on the first page was very nice, as it sets the tone for a somewhat dark issue. Adam Kubert’s art still looks pretty darn good. All the pin-up shots are really cool---especially the Thor beat down. The unconventional page layouts didn’t always work, though. For example, Page 2 is just too cramped. Seriously, did you need a page and half splash? I think a single page would have sufficed and it would have given more room for the panels on page 2. And even when I was re-reading the book I got mixed up on pages 18 and 19. Pages 4 and 5 worked far better, as did pages 20 and 21. It was pretty funny to see all the superheroes in the infirmary were still in full costumes and masks. Did ya notice Scarlet Witch wearing hospital slippers--while in full costume, including headpiece? Yeah, not too smooth, Adam (unless it was meant as a joke).

Let’s talk about the story now. I still feel a sense of emptiness to this all, even with Spiderman’s sacrifice play--one that he walked away from and that he managed a total win with! Overall, very clever; I liked it. But the fact that he survived battling two of the Phoenix Five (er, Four), something Thor couldn’t even do, cheapens it and makes it come off like an old “G.I. Joe” cartoon fight. You know, where no one really gets hurt because it’s all action without substance. The powers of the Phoenix Four seem random as well. They made a point early on letting us know these characters are omnipotent, but the Avengers always escape them--though several get captured. Seems to me, based on the first few issues, it should just be boom- Phoenix Four wins! Scripter Jason Aaron seems to be aware of this problem, as he has characters mention that they are holding back.

The parts I do like (though quite predictable) are the corruption of the Phoenix Four and their split with the rest of the X-Men. I wish I could see more of the X-Men vs the Phoenix Four, but I can tell they are just moving the story forward to the Phoenix force vs the world bit, which I’m guessing will end with Hope absorbing the Phoenix force and then flying off into the universe--or maybe Tony Stark will build a mystic/science gizmo that displaces the Phoenix force instead.

Either way, we’ll all be back in two weeks to watch everybody’s plans start to melt down and hopefully start the kick-off to Marvel Now! in a good way.


DEADWORLD: WAR OF THE DEAD #1

Writer: Gary Reed
Art: Sami Makkonen
Publisher: IDW Publishing
Reviewer: Ambush Bug


If you’re like me and love horror, I’m sure you read THE WALKING DEAD faithfully. But I know occasionally, I get sick of all of the touchy feely melancholy malaise that often permeates the book. Like many of you, I do feel that the book is getting somewhat repetitious, but still I come back every time. For years I’ve been looking for something to read as an alternative to THE WALKING DEAD. Surely, this book can’t be the only book able to make an ongoing series out of the zombie holocaust. Ripoffs and zombie team ups with other monsters have been cluttering up the shelves for years, but THE WALKING DEAD still reigned supreme.

That said, I have been reading comics long enough that when THE WALKING DEAD did rise in fame, I was able to spot the similarities between that survivalist horror comic and one I used to read through the late eighties. That comic was called DEADWORLD, and somewhere tucked away in my stacks of long boxes I have every issue of the groundbreaking series which followed the exploits of a band of survivors just trying to live through what looks to be zombie Armageddon. Sound familiar? Thought so.

So when I heard IDW planned to dust off DEADWORLD for a modern audience, the fanboy in me who used to read the original DEADWORLD series first when he bicycled home from the shop did a backflip. Maybe, just maybe, I could finally find an alternative to THE WALKING DEAD and the flame of coolness that was DEADWORLD could be reignited.

I want to say that this book answered my prayers, but try as I might to stay positive, this book seems to want to squelch those hopes and dreams. To begin with, I am sure that this might have been a better story if not for the muddy artwork from Sami Makkonen. Like Menton 3, Ashley Wood, and Ben Templesmith before him (her?), she uses a layered computer effects-laden overlay on top of her sketches. While this technique works well with the aforementioned artists, here Makkonen’s work seems overdone. In a lot of the panels, I had to really work to understand what was going on and while sifting through the darkness often works for me when it comes to horror comics drawn in this way, if it blocks out the story, it is doing a disservice. There are a few nicely rendered images throughout, especially the splash final page, but for the most part, the art detracted a lot from the story being told.

Unfortunately, the story being told doesn’t know if it wants to recap the reader with the previous DEADWORLD narrative or just start fresh. For the most part, characters are told to the reader through captions. The descriptions are somewhat vague and leave a lot of important story to fall through the cracks. At the same time, there is a lack of actual scenes here as we are treated with a bunch of static shots describing the story so far and what is occurring on panel (probably because of the muddy artwork). I would have appreciated a simple recap paragraph on the inside cover, though I’m sure IDW felt that suggesting that there was a story before this first issue would be a detractor to new readers. But honestly, I don’t know a new reader that wouldn’t be lost in this issue. If someone would be happening upon this story for the first time, the amount of backstory told in this issue would be too much for them to soak in as told through the vague captions. As is, I was somewhat lost as to what was going on and I read the original series.

There is hope. By getting over the hump of the first issue which seemed to want to catch people up with the story without admitting there was an actual backstory, I hope that the next four issues, which will be coming out weekly over the next month, will focus on the story that is happening, not what has come before. This reads like a zero issue and it should have been labeled as such. A simple editorial page explaining what DEADWORLD was and where it came from would have helped immensely. Obviously, this property was dusted off in hopes that it would be the next big THE WALKING DEAD while strumming the strings of nostalgia of the few who remember the series. But in trying to do both, they created a mess of a first issue that tries to explain too much without giving us enough story in the present to entice even the die hards back for more.

I’ll be checking out the rest of this series to see if it improves. It’s only five issues--why the hell not? But so far, my hopes for something to come along and replace the meandering THE WALKING DEAD were not appeased by this incarnation of DEADWORLD.

Ambush Bug is Mark L. Miller, original @$$Hole/wordslinger/reviewer/co-editor of AICN Comics for over ten years. He has written comics such as MUSCLES & FIGHTS, MUSCLES & FRIGHTS, VINCENT PRICE PRESENTS TINGLERS & WITCHFINDER GENERAL, THE DEATHSPORT GAMES, WONDERLAND ANNUAL 2010 & NANNY & HANK (soon to be made into a feature film from Uptown 6 Films). He is also a regular writer for FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND & has co-written their first ever comic book LUNA: ORDER OF THE WEREWOLF (to be released in late 2012 as an 100-pg original graphic novel). Mark has just announced his new comic book miniseries GRIMM FAIRY TALES PRESENTS THE JUNGLE BOOK from Zenescope Entertainment to be released March-August 2012. Also look for Mark's exciting arc on GRIMM FAIRY TALES #76-80 which begins in August 2012.


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  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I have non-nerd fans who asked:

    by Joenathan

    "Why is Hawkeye on the team, a-hur-hur-hur?" My answer: "Shut up, stupid."

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    fans... friends...

    by Joenathan

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Deadpool kills MArvel

    by Joenathan

    To me, this is the best example of a complete waste of comic space. Who wants this? What could this book possibly say that the Punisher kills the Marvel Universe book didn't already say and wasn't re-covered by both the Punshier versus the marvel zombies and the Wolverine versus the Marvel zombies that were actually the exact same book written by the same guy. Stupid.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST

    A vs X

    by Joenathan

    I did like how the Phoenix is starting to visibly corrupt the X-men, being that it is basically a force of destruction. Of course, this only highlights the weirdly stupid idea that Cyclops would for some reason think that THIS TIME the Phoenix force would be awesome and good and willingly to work with them, instead of just blowing up the planet like it does everywhere else and tries to do everytime it's on earth... You're so right about the stupid hospital scene... Ultimate example of a lazy artist. You can't even draw them out of costume for ONE PANEL? What the fuck, man, where do you think we are? A DC comic? Their masks were still on. Terrible

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    I hope Deadpool meets up with Fred Hembeck at some point.

    by Royston Lodge

    Fred Hembeck Destroys The Marvel Universe is one of my all-time favourite one-shots.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    That Thark in the Warlod cover is awful

    by jack

    it reminds me of those cheap pulp fiction book-covers from the 60s/70s

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN

    by Autodidact

    Keep eating yourself, comics. See what happens.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    I won't shit on a comic before reading it either

    by Autodidact

    I'm not shitting on the BEFORE WATCHMEN comics. Some of them might be decent reads if you're the type of ass-fucking cretin who would give CITIZEN KANE 2 by Len Wiseman a chance. I'm against the whole project as a concept. If you care about comics, you should be too. Sorry to say but a lot of LCS owners couldn't give a shit about what I'm talking about. It's supposedly in their self-interest not to.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    I've been enjoying

    by Ian

    A vs. X and Before Watchmen on a level between "Neat" and "Meh". A vs. X has some neat ideas, but really lacks a punch. It seems Marvel has great "idea" folks, but when it comes to execution it falls a little flat for what any given series is offering. Before Watchmen is not as awful as I thought, but no where close to the brilliance of the original (big surprise, I know). The worst part of this series is that it adds nothing interesting that the original didn't already imply.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Before Watchmen's problem is that it lacks the Paranoia

    by Greg Nielsen

    Alan Moore is paranoid. All of his books come with that sense of paranoia about something. The books being made now seem to be made by people with few hang ups and a sense of security. It's not being written by a paranoid early 30s guy who has never been to America and is sure it's going to kill us all, which Russia is never even considered a threat in the book and really a huge oversight. If they got someone who could convey paranoia, it would help. Even some weird sexual fetishist would work too. I am enjoying the books though. They're fun. It's all I ask.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, noon CST

    I'd totally watch Citizen Kane 2 by Len Wiseman...

    by Greg Nielsen

    Citizen Kane's hoodie would be so cool and his Kawasaki mini bike named rosebud would be an immediate prop purchase for me. Oh and I can't wait for Len to just give up color and go black and white. His movies are practically black and white already.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Well, Moore Did Live Under The Thatcher Regime

    by Buzz Maverik

    Here in the states, when Watchmen was first published, after the pseudo-sunniness of Reagan and his yuppies, a little paranoia was appreciated. Of course, kids, Reagan was not as bad as Frank Miller would lead you to believe, nor as great as the John Hughes/ Amblin' movies would lead you to believe.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Azzarello does weird sexual fetishism OK

    by rev_skarekroe

    Didn't you read his run on Hellblazer?

  • The arc about the orgy where Constantine catches on fire and is trying to kill that guy he's sleeping with. Wow. Total crazy there. Oh and the cops are all hung up on each other too. I hope Comedian starts getting into gear soon. It really feels like he's holding back.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST

    I was in the "Let's see" camp...

    by Mikey Wood

    ...now I'm in the "LOVE IT!" camp (if there is one). While I should put forth that anything Darwyn Cooke contributes art to, I will enjoy, even if it reads like utter crap. They should consider allowing Cooke to re-draw some critically lambasted comics from days gone by. Trust me, they'd be better. DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN with Cooke art? AMAZING! SPIDER-MAN: TAROT with Cooke art? Okay, maybe that's asking too much...ANYWAY... I've enjoyed all of these series. I feel I enjoy MINUTEMEN more than most. The rest are really, really good comics. Although, I was always under the impression that the Comedian was the one who assasinated Kennedy. I guess I was wrong.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I meant to say SPIDER-MAN:CHAPTER ONE

    by Mikey Wood

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Nite Owl got good issue 2

    by Homer Sexual

    After a weak first issue Nite Owl kicked into gear with the Twilight Lady and interesting background on Nite Owl. Rorschach is still one-note though.

  • you can all go straight to fucking hell

  • He basically blames the United States for the entire Cold War. He paints the United States as the source of everything bad. He paints everyone in the United States of having severe sexual hangups. The Russians are just quietly cowering and drinking Vodka. His blinders make the political statements in his book seem about as fair and balanced as a Bill O'Reilly report. If it weren't for the quality of writing, the quality of Dave Gibbons and John Higgins' work, and the books place in history, we'd all call him out on it. Also, I think I'll go home when I want too.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    yorgo and he was right

    by jack

  • If only they'd all learned from Alan Moore. Also, to think the United States was responsible for the Cold War is to not know history. Stupid imperialist Russian cloaking their conquests in the name of Marx. Leninism and the Kremlin was nothing but a sad re-naming of the Czars and their mindset with none of the beauty. Everything replaced by propaganda and ugly concrete block buildings unless it's for high government officials. So it's basically like the United States now.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    yorgo Moore was not using vitrol in his comic

    by jack

    he was making a political and social commentary. btw who do you vote?

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Interesting covers...

    by Sean

    I do love Jusko's work and that Warlord Of Mars cover looks great...but the upper torso on the lead character doesn't look right. I really thought that Dead World cover was Ashley Wood! And there is something quite unsettling about Cap and Spidey's facial expressions on the Dead Pool cover...as if they just saw Cannibal Holocaust, or a naked Joan Rivers.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST

    @judenw I think it's vitrolic when no one in America comes off well

    by Greg Nielsen

    Sure, it helps out when it comes to his book. You hate everyone in it by the end and you walk away feeling depressed like he wants. It's still one-sided and bitter. Honestly, it doesn't matter how I vote or if I do. You haven't given an example of how Alan Moore was not a one-sided paranoid rant. You simply say it's social commentary and political commentary when that wasn't the question. Defend the work don't try to find something wrong with me.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST

    yorgo

    by jack

    so who do you vote? if Moore is paranoid, i would like to see how much of a paranoid my talker might be.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Agreed on Niteowl

    by optimous_douche

    I was really disappointed with issue especially since it was JMS. The main problem IMHO was the direct rip from A Lonely Place of Dying. Issue 2 a thousand fold better

  • And be fine with reading Spiderman comics not by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. Or Superman comics not by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. Or Sherlock Holmes not by Arthur Conan Doyle. It's the same frick'n thing!

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Oh shit freg - better duck and cover now man

    by optimous_douche

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST

    It's the same thing if you're a simpleton who lacks discernment

    by Autodidact

    Do I have to explain this again? WATCHMEN was a stand-alone story with a stop and a start. It was its own isolated thing. Twelve issues and finished, to stand for all time as the most towering achievement in superhero comics. If you want to be a pedantic nitwit and remind me at this point that WATCHMEN characters were based on the Golden Key characters and thus "not original" or "the same thing", you can suck my fucking balls off and you also lose the argument for being a fucking idiot. None of Spider-Man, nor Superman, nor Batman, nor Sherlock Holmes, nor any other example you can think of, were created for a standalone story. They were created for the express purpose of having stories that go on forever. If there was a six-issue minseries called SPIDER-MAN from the sixties by Lee and Ditko, that stood for 25 years as the untouchable paragon of the comics storytelling medium, and was the only place that the Spider-Man character ever appeared, and SPIDER-MAN was the kind of book that only about half of comics readers read and the other half just waited for the movie and can't tell the difference between an all-time classic and yet another issue of a stupid monthly superhero comic. ... Then Rob Liefeld and his buddies came along and did another SPIDER-MAN comic against the wishes of the original creator... that would be the same thing.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Wow that was a bit melodramatic even for me

    by Autodidact

    JUST LEAVE WATCHMEN ALOONNNE

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    UGLI STUDIOS PRESENTS #1

    by Zuul Gozer

    I was lucky enough to meet Jason Lenox- the Artist for Ugli Studios Presents- dude is a stellar with his india ink, and this book is really really good. Do yourself a favor and check it out. Guy also sold me a sweet print as well of a dog soldier he is doing for a role playing game!

  • He's good mates with Moore, he knows the drill.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST

    this argument is asinine and idiotic.

    by gooseud

    Apparently some people enjoy coming off as the cliche of "comic book guy". Heres the deal: lots of stories have beginnings middles and ends. Preacher has a start and end. Y the Last Man was clearly written with a start and finish in mind (with the single greatest last issue I've ever read in comics). To hold up Watchmen as some singular paragon is absurd. Are we comparing Darwyn Fucking Cooke to Rob Liefeld now?? REALLY?? Nothing is untouchable. There is no such thing as a bad character. Paste Pot Fucking Pete can be the best character in the history of comics if you have the talent with which to create the book. There is only this: good stories and bad. Thats it. Now, what are we saying? Are we saying Darwyn Cooke lacks the fundamental talent to write a book that can add favorably to the Watchmen legacy? He lacks the ability? GTFO with that retarded bullshit. So, what we are saying is that Darwyn Cooke, DESPITE HAVING THE TALENT, simply SHOULDNT write it out of some kind of respect for Moore? The quote The Dude, well thats like...........your opinion, man. And you should exercise it by not buying or reading the book, good on you. But its your loss, because these books have ranged from "not bad" (Comedian) to "pretty fucking awesome" (the rest of them). Im sure your Integrity Prize, personally sent by Alan Moore, will be arriving in the mail any day now.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST

    If You Don't Agree With Me, Yer Stupid

    by Buzz Maverik

    I say Glorian the Rainbow Man was the greatest character ever to appear in a Hulk comic and I can back it up by saying so!

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    I'll second the good word on Ugli.

    by Hint_of_Smegma

    Known Jason Lenox a few years now and he's a good guy. Deserves a lot of success with this series. He's a great artist with great imagination and a nice guy to boot. The series is going to be worth checking out.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:38 a.m. CST

    "Singular". That's the key word. The movie already fucked that up.

    by Autodidact

    Used to be you could refer to "Watchmen" and in the comic book context people knew what you meant, for certain. For the rest of time, if you refer to "Watchmen" some soccer mom is going to be like "Oh I saw that movie, it sucked!" and some fucking poseur idiot who didn't read the first series will be like "Oh yeah I read THE COMEDIAN and it was nothing special. Watchmen is not great!" FUCK YOU

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:40 a.m. CST

    THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS

    by Autodidact

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Also JLA New Frontier is massively overrated

    by Autodidact

    It was fucking boring!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    autodidact

    by jack

    well said sir.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST

    FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN

    by martinprince

    Not interested in reading any part of that series. Prequels ruin every-fucking-thing. WATCHMEN is a classic graphic novel. Why would I give a shit what happened BEFORE that story? Anyway, if you're enjoying Before Watchmen then I'm happy for you, I just think its anathema. The only monthly series I'm reading right now is SAGA. The other day I picked up the TNG/Doctor Who mashup with the Borg, it was kinda fun.

  • People griping about stuff that don't matter. Alan Moore worship. Screaming at people for no reason. Personal attacks. Good thing the reviews tend to be spot on or I'd leave the trolls to themselves here.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST

    So, Senor Spielbergo, you admit

    by gooseud

    you dont read comics. You have basically dropped every single issue on the stands aside from Saga (great choice by the way, the best book on the stands by a country mile). Im just saying....maybe you dont like comics. There are literally hundreds of books coming out every month, and you cant rouse yourself to bother to read a single one aside from Saga. So, my point being.....your hatred for Before Watchmen doesnt really mean much when clearly you dont like comics as a whole.....right?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Well,

    by Joenathan

    Before Watchman kind of takes over, doesn't it? Don't you guys want to bitch about Bendis for awhile? Or...wait, wait... what about that Mark Millar guy, amiright? You guys sure hate that guy, right? Here, I'll get us started. Ahem... Supercrooks is fucking awesome. It's a return to form for Millar, to the days when he was writing great story after great story. Like the Ultimates, for instance. I really liked when Cap kicked Bruce in the face. It really fit the character.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    I just have one question for autodidact

    by gooseud

    Why do you care what soccer moms and so-called "poseurs" think? Are soccer moms the arbiters of taste? So let me get this straight: if a soccer mom thinks Miller's Crossing sucks as a movie (which she would), somehow it affects the quality of the work as a whole? This entire line of thinking is bizarre to me. Basically, autodidact is the cliche Angry Comic Book Guy who, if he owned a store, would berate any soccer mom who walked through the door looking to get some books for her kids.....and thus would go out of business 6 months later. But hey, he may be bankrupt, but at least he remained pure!!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    No, id call you an asshole for.....

    by gooseud

    thinking that somehow Zamfir and Michael Bolton could retroactively detract from the quality of Hendrix's work. Instead of just pointing and laughing at Zamfir and Bolton for being so dumb.

  • WATCHMEN is not for kids. Did you miss the point of anything else I said?

  • Or have some clueless idiot bring them up every time I mention him. Can you please read this twice and stop with the conflation? Being obtuse is not going to win the argument.

  • Seriously, it's like crazy man stuff going on there.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST

    I don't put it in caps when quoting people talking about it.

    by Autodidact

    Try to pay more attention.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST

    FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN

    by Autodidact

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST

    You know what sucks?

    by Joenathan

    books by Geoff Johns. Green Lantern is dumb. Marvel is so much better

  • I'm not into superhero comics (sacrilege I know...) and I've tried to get into a few titles but right now SAGA is the only continuing series that I enjoy reading and totally feels worth my $3. Usually I wait to buy TPBs because it seems like more bang for my buck, but I'll happily elbow through the crowds on new comic Wednesday to get the latest issue of SAGA. It even has me considering getting a pull list/subscription with one of my local shops, but I didn't want to have a pull box for just one comic so I did some research hoping to find at least one other montly title I'd want to check out. Couldn't find anything interesting. When I go to a LCS I see a lot of derivative re-hashed shit on the shelves, but its worth sifting through to find the gems.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST

    derivative? rehashed?

    by Joenathan

    Explain how so and cite examples.

  • Don't know if you've check it out yet but it's pretty much in the same vein. They're sci-fi stories that are actually plot driven. Hope that helps. I totally know what you mean. Sometimes you find gems. I just got to the point where I enjoy a little crazy every now and then.

  • since Alan Moore got kicked out of the big 2

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    joenathan: uh, like a fucking WATCHMEN prequel series

    by martinprince

    Comics eating themselves, as was mentioned above. They're even bringing SANDMAN back, but at least the creator is actually involved this time. Endless superhero reboots/reimaginings/mashups/etc. To be fair there are plenty of comics with original premises, but the ones I have checked out were disappointing. I loved the concept of DMZ but the first issue had atrocious art and writing. I was reading THE WALKING DEAD for a while but the novelty there has totally worn off and in my opinion that series peaked with the prison storyline.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Endless superhero reboots/reimaginings/mashups/etc

    by Joenathan

    Which ones? Because I think you are generalizing.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    DMZ is not bad art and writing...

    by Greg Nielsen

    Like attacking Alison Brie or Emma Watson that is a line too far! You could've attacked it being preachy but it's still pretty good. Sounds like you just don't like superheroes. The best thing to do is not take them too seriously. Also, pretty much everyone has a life story similar to someone else so I guess life is eating itself too? Just cause someone else did it doesn't mean it's not different when done by someone else. The best example is Rob Liefeld. Everyone hates his work when he does it like Cable and Deadpool but put someone else on them and they're beloved. Also, Neil Gaiman isn't really the sole creator on Sandman considering Earth 2 characters and Etrigan and other DC continuity factors heavily into that story. I guess since we like him that's not comics eating themselves.

  • And it seems like all the superhero titles are placed most prominently in the stores. Last time I was at the comic shop I remember seeing the BATMAN EARTH ONE reboot and a whole wall of superpeople, x-men, fantastic fours. I am generalizing of course because I don't read those comics, to me it is literally just an entire wall of SUPERHEROES. yorgo: maybe I'll check out DMZ again and see if it improved. I bought the first issue based on LCS employee recommendation and really thought it was a fantastic premise with garbage execution.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Senor_Spielbergo: I understand man...

    by Greg Nielsen

    Superheroes are frustrating. I started reading comics 4 years ago and I come from a English/History degree background. It's a different set of rules. But you learn a ton about story telling and how people relate to things through it. I enjoy superhero comics now. I appreciate the fact that absolutely anything can happen in them. It's predictable sometimes but if it happened anywhere else we'd think it was David Lynch level brilliance. Btw, try The Massive too. It's written by the same guy as DMZ but it has a very different artist on it. Plus, it's a fun spin on Mad Max. And like I said, Prophet and Glory might be 2 you want to give a go. Superhero in name only.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    so yorgo who do you vote?

    by jack

    i am still waiting for your answer. Then we can talk about Moore.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Yeah, that's what I thought.

    by Joenathan

    Listen, in the future, use descriptive terms that you understand the meaning of. If you don't like superheroes, for instance, say something like: "I am interested in finding more comics to read, but I couldn't because I don't like superheroes and that makes up the majority of comics being put out these days." See? No reboots. No rehashs. No reimaginings. No mashups and no derivatives. These are terms with meaning and when you use them as an indictment of a genre, but without the actual meaning... well, it just makes you look dumb. It's okay not to like superheroes, but when you try to say something like Batman Earth One is a reboot, it just highlights the fact that you're talking out of your ass. Just say: "I don't like Batman." Or if you say: "I admit not liking superheroes, that's probably why so much seems derivative to me." Make sure to understand that if you don't know comics, you couldn't possibly understand where they are derived from. Just say: "I don't like superheroes." That's good enough. Don't add words you don't understand about a topic you don't know anything about. Also: "it is literally just an entire wall of SUPERHEROES." Was it? Was it "literally" an entire wall? Psst... STOP USING "LITERALLY"! Just... ever. Ok. Don't ever use the word "literally" again. Just trust me on this, ok? I'm trying to help.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Senor Spielbergo, heres a list

    by gooseud

    Try these out: 1. Prophet. First of all, its the closest thing to Moebius we are ever going to get. Second, its astonishingly dense hard (like diamond levels of hard) sci fi, the hardest sci fi Ive ever seen in a comic. Honestly, I can only really ever figure out roughly 70% of the events of any given issue, but that speaks to the quality of the work, not lack thereof. BUT........do NOT start in the middle. You MUST start from issue 1 of the reboot or you will be lost. 2. The Massive. Its pretty good. Im waiting to see where Wood goes with it. Its an intruiging premise. 3. Danger Club. Now granted, this is superheroes I guess......but not exactly. Regardless, its genius and nipping right on Saga's heels as one of the best books on the stands. Basically, Justice League analogs go into space and never come back, leaving the sidekicks (robin, kid flash, etc) to run the show. I am not even doing it a remote shred of justice with that summary.....dude, just read it, its the shit. 4. Thief of Thieves, Secret Service, Mind the Gap, Hypernaturals, these are all runners-up as solidly good books outside the Big 2 with a minimum of super hero ness. Theres alot out there right now, Ive actually made the argument that this is the Golden Age of non-super-hero books.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    You know, usually Id let this argument go, but....

    by gooseud

    every once in a while, I just get a bug up my ass and feel like crushing someone, so........First of all, I never said a soccer mom was coming in to buy BEFORE WATCHMEN!!!!!, I said she was coming in to buy some comics. Go back and read the original post. In other words, I know your panicing seeing your feeble mean spirited argument collapsing around you, but please, LEARN TO READ. Secondly, in the Hendrix example, its not Zamfir's fault, its a free country, they can produce any type of artistic release they want. Its not Hendrix's fault, because hes dead and doesnt give a shit. Its YOUR fault for a being a pissy narcissistic typical internet dweller who wants the entire world to bend to YOUR personal desires. "How DARE they record an album of Hendrix covers, dont they know its going to pollute my, autodidacts, personal mental space?? How could they not have been in the studio asking themselves what I thought about it???" LOL GTFO with that shit. If you allow something so petty to pollute your mental space, thats a YOU problem. So, in the words of Mike McD, you feeling satisfied now, Teddy? Because I can go on busting you up alllllll night.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST

    The Massive is good

    by Joenathan

    So is Danger Club. Thief of Thieves is not. I didn't like the art in Prophet and I freely admit my bias that the stink of Liefeld keeps me well away, even though it's just a trace stink. Secret service was... all right. I was hooked enough to bother looking too hard for issue #2. I tried out Orchid... fucking terrible. Overwritten and awful. I'm trade-waiting Mind the Gap.

  • Ooo what a smackdown (sarcasm).

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST

    Before Watchmen

    by Joenathan

    I'm not buying it, because it doesn't interest me at all. I don't think there's anything left to say that the original didn't already say, but I also don't care if Moore is getting fucked by DC or not, because I hate his crotchety douchebag pervert ass. So, I don't buy it, but I don't rail against it. Now, I won't ever buy it because it just won't go away and I hate hearing about the worthless thing. It's kind of like how I'll never watch Trailer Park Boys because the assholes who watch it are such gigantic assholes that the show is forever stained in my eyes.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST

    What are you talking about?

    by Joenathan

    You can't "rape and exploit any creative property you want", that's what copyrights are for. Too bad, so sad, DC owns the copyright on Watchmen...

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Joenathan: You should give Prophet a second shot...

    by Greg Nielsen

    The art style has had a changed up with each story so far. The stories are pretty much unconnected too.

  • The only reason I still read his work is cause Kevin O'Neill draws it. Kevin O'Neill is a genius. Saddly, some other genius would probably take the challenge of working with Moore just to prove he could too can draw fish men raping women who decide they enjoy it or Dorothy getting gang raped cause that isn't a total character destruction.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Thanks for all the recommendations, sounds like good stuff

    by martinprince

    I'll check them out. joenathan: so even though BATMAN EARTH ONE is a retelling of the origin story its not a "reboot" because its in a seperate reality or something? You are literally splitting hairs.

  • It's a very complicated system. Just try to sort out the Legion of Superheroes.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST

    That's the point, Senor

    by Joenathan

    You don't understand. It seems like splitting hairs, but that's because you're a dilettante. If you knew what you were talking about, then you would know what I am talking about. Also... the specifics of Batman Earth One isn't really the point...

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Yorgo

    by Joenathan

    I will check out Prophet, because you recognize Moore's rapey tendencies.

  • I'm waiting for a new Crisis! I should bite my tongue though.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Alan Moore cartoon serial rapist...

    by Greg Nielsen

    Even Emma Watson was not immune in League 2009. Freaking Hermione man! Draw a line Alan. Draw a line.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Alan Moore

    by Joenathan

    has never heard of a fictional character he doesn't want to rape. Never

  • Seriously, less rape!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Daniel Tosh got in trouble for what Alan Moore is praised for...

    by Greg Nielsen

    rape

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:03 p.m. CST

    That's the second thing I look for in a comic

    by Joenathan

    Someone says: "Read this, it's good." I say: "Would you say there is more or less rape than the average Alan Moore comic?" If they say "more", then I'm not interested. I'm sorry, but that's just how I roll.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Daniel Tosh is the Alan Moore of Stand up Comics

    by Joenathan

    He's rape-tastic

  • You're like am I on a list for having read this? The real reason Marvel is afraid to release that thing. Boy on boy rape. Disney does not approve Alan. Still it's his best work. Why do we even talk about Watchmen when Miracle Man exists?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Miracle Man

    by Joenathan

    Honestly, I think you're right. Disney/Marvel is enjoying a bit of a boom, thanks to the movies and they're probably hesitant to put out something called Miracle Man, because the title and "new" status would mean that all the mouth-breathers and "christians" out there will pick up and then flip out over.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:19 p.m. CST

    More or less rape the Alan Moore, so your saying.........

    by gooseud

    You DIDNT read Kick Ass 2 I assume? Dont worry, you didnt miss much, one of the most devoid-of-value works of comics fiction ever created.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST

    yorgo so you dont want to tell me who you vote?

    by jack

    are you shy? or is it because your attack against Moore is caused by your personal political bias? dont answer this, it's rhetorical.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Joe, heres the thing about PRophet

    by gooseud

    It aint for everyone. There are certain books (Danger Club is a prime example) where, if you dont like them, you probably simply dont like comics as a whole. BUT.........there are other books where, yeah, I get it. Prophet is one of those. It aint for everyone. You cant read it casually (as opposed to Thief of Thieves, which is the fastest reading book ever published). You really need to sit down and absorb it, and even then, your going to sit there with the "Neo having the Matrix explained to him" look on your face 60% of the time. For ME PERSONALLY..........its worth it. Its a really insane mind blowing book. But it doesnt pander, thats for goddamn sure.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    @judenw: again personal attacks cause you can't defend his work...

    by Greg Nielsen

    I must be paranoid for not liking a guy who lost his freaking mind. Miracle Man is pretty anti-America too. I see the value in it though.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Goose

    by Joenathan

    I DID read part of Kickass 2 and discovered that it contained MORE rape than the average Alan Moore comic, so I stopped reading it. And YOU'RE right, it was terrible

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST

    @gooseud: Didn't read Kick Ass 2...

    by Greg Nielsen

    I hope Moore did and takes the challenge

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    excuse me, judenw?

    by Joenathan

    Maybe he's confused because you keep saying: "tell me who you vote" and I think you mean "tell me who you vote FOR"

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Prophet

    by Joenathan

    I was a big fan of the Invisibles, would you say it falls along those lines? Also, more or less rape than the average Alan Moore comic?

  • Unfortunately, it always the few loud ones that make us all look intolerant and incapable of just letting things go that don't matter. It's just a comic book. I'm completely sure Jesus can handle that. I mean he deals with Mel Gibson daily and everyone else daily (Sorry, Mel I'll go buy Get the Gringo now). Besides I think they changed his name to the way less cool Marvel Man. Miracle Man is a great name. If we're lucky though, we will finally get Miracle Man. He can show up in Future Foundation and rape someone due to residual Alan Moore rape crazy.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    @joenathan: Prophet has no rape so far...

    by Greg Nielsen

    it's like the Invisibles in that it's really unpredictable and people act very strangely. of course, we never know when Alan Moore might come in and rape it. He has a long history with Rob Liefeld, who brought him back to comics. Thanks Rob!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I fell down the rabbit hole of a tumbler called Least Helpful

    by Joenathan

    It's all terrible and stupid on-line reviews. The sheer amount of irate Christians is staggering

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST

    That's a good point

    by Joenathan

    Liefeld is terrible. He may decide his books need more rape again

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:34 p.m. CST

    @Joenathan: Man dude I'm sorry that happened to you...

    by Greg Nielsen

    Nothing is more annoying than irate anything posting reviews. I hope I've never treated you that way and you don't hold against all of us or Jesus or anyone like that. Every group has it's crazies. I still read Alan Moore comics every now and then but I'll put them down if necessary. I even see his old stuff for what it is now. Unfortunately Alan has his own irate crazies now.

  • His old SWAMP THING and HELLBLAZER stuff is what I really dig, apart from WATCHMEN. I've still never gotten to read MIRACLEMAN. Not for lack of trying. That shit is hard to find outside of Ebay. Yes, he's way rapey. Did he kick off a trend because lately every second superhero book that has any kind of dark angle has rape at the core. I'm a WATCHMEN fanatic, not an Alan Moore fanatic.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I stopped reading KICK ASS 1 after a few issues

    by Autodidact

    That comic was fucking stupid. The movie was better, but not by much. Don't even get me started on Millar. Let's just say I do buy a lot of his books, and it's a real love-hate thing with him. NEMESIS and SUPERIOR both pissed me off so much...

  • That's where that comic gets really interesting. If you read Miracle Man all the way through. You'll see that Watchmen is a pale retread with a mystery movie veneer. Neil Gaiman is essentially writing about what happens after Ozymandias takes over the world. It's interesting and he's setting up great stuff and then copy right attack! It's a shame. Alan Moore's future copy right issues started at the beginning of his career. It's no wonder Marvel wrote him off so early.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Prophet rape

    by gooseud

    Im not really sure anyone has a penis in Prophet, so Im not sure how to answer that........I dont even think theres any sex, consensual or otherwise.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    @gooseud: There has been plenty of sex in Prophet...

    by Greg Nielsen

    None of it with anything that looks all that human...It's not graphic though. So Alan Moore didn't write it. We all know how he gives extremely detailed panel descriptions.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST

    That's disappointing

    by Joenathan

    I'm down on the rape, but I am a big fan of the consensual sensual

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    yorgo personal attack? that's funny coming from a guy

    by jack

    who has labeled someone else as paranoid and a rapist? And asking you who do you vote for is a personal attack? Yes, yes i know, you are diplomatically avoiding my question by associating it with something terrible that it is not but i would love to tell me why is this a personal attack? how do you define it? just for the fun of it, you can tell me if you want.

  • Poor Alice...wonderland that wasn't

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    @ autodidact

    by Tom Fremgen

    There is no such thing as a 'stand alone story' in comics or anything else really. Characters always live beyond their initial story- if the market wants it. Back in 80's, after 12 issues (fyi for others, it wasn't graphic novel) The Watchmen didn't continue for many reasons, but it could have. Heck, The Dark Knight Returns is not longer a 'stand alone story'. Face it, you're just getting bend out of shape because you have some belief that Alan's story is somehow better than everything and everyone. Got news for you, it's just your opinion and nothing more. Seriously would you be this upset if Alan Moore decided to write "Before We3" ? What about Sundevils? Jemm, Son of Saturn? Hell even Amethyst was meant to be a 'stand alone story'.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    a cartoon rapist?

    by jack

    that sentence is so wrong that i wont even bother to explain why.

  • I give up explaining it though. I give up on comics. Smear your shit all over yourself. What do I care.

  • That's not to say that your are not smearing yourself in allegorical feces from a certain POV in reading BEFORE WATCHMEN.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Here goes nothin... plus Batman Year One, Joe is wrong

    by Homer Sexual

    Cause Im crazy like that... Are there people who actually think AvsX is good? It's just soooo bad I can't believe it. A friend keeps giving me the books for free to convert me, but every issue is worst than the last. It is actually so bad that I had to say I won't even buy Wolverine and the X-Men anymore till this is done cause that AvsX crossover was hideous. The Phoenix: Cosmic loser. Able to devour planets but unable to overcome Avengers Academy, Mr Sinister etc. Anyhooo.... My two favorite movies ever are Jaws and the Shining. Jaws had many sequels. Inferior sequels. To a clear stand-alone movie. Yet I wasn't offended and my love of Jaws remains. Same thing with the Shining. Very stand alone but now there is talk of making a prequel. While this doesn't sound like a good idea, I am not furious about it. And even if they do go through with it and make a horrible prequel, I would honestly have an open mind about the... possibility.. of a good prequel. Finally, sorry Joe. You know what he meant and while Batman Year One isn't a reboot, I agree that it is not something that would draw someone to a comic. As a very-non-dilettante, I cant generate an iota of curiosity about yet another retelling of Batman's origin. Much like the Superman movie. Much like the Spider-Man movie. But Spider-Man was a big hit despite coming like ten years later and everyone knowing the origin, millions of people were willing to spend significant cash to see a movie they saw only a few years ago. Very confusing to me. I just don't get it.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST

    I kinda like A vs X...

    by Greg Nielsen

    It's dumb fun. It's so bad it's good. Olivier Coipel and Adam Kubert are two guys who's work I like. I think the fight books are such hilariously crazy ideas. The fights aren't in the book so you can get the plot. It then proceeds to be nothing but fights. There are so many blow your mind crazy moments that could only happen in this environment that I can't help but appreciate it.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Like I said Homer

    by Joenathan

    The specifics of that particular book wasn't the point I was making, it was more about shooting down the rather wide, incorrectly applied and generic net of charges that were really nothing more than a collection of buzzwords he was ultimately unfamiliar with. However... If you wanted to get specific, I'd still say Batman Earth One isn't a reboot. An example of a reboot would be the New 52. The main and current continuity Batman is still chugging along just fine, so that makes the Earth One book an Elseworlds tale. As a comic fan, you know there is a huge difference.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    That said...

    by Joenathan

    I'm not interested in it either

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Gimme ^^^^so bad it's good any day

    by gooseud

    As opposed to fear itself, which was a tedious dirge of trudgery. Which is not to imply that I'm actually paying for reading avx because, cmon son, I got better taste then THAT

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man

    by DOGSOUP

    I was never a huge fan. I didn't hate the guy but I never bought one of his comics. After his moment in AvX #9, I think I may start. That is honestly the very first moment in the entire event where someone acted like a Superhero. The fact that the moment is a negative for the above reviewer means we are different wavelengths in our comics enjoyment.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Funny you mention Fear Itself

    by Homer Sexual

    I am an outlier in the comics world, I know, because I quit buying "event crossovers" after feeling so very disappointed by the Secret Invasion. But my same friend who keeps giving me AvsX also gave me Fear Itself, and I liked Fear Itself much, much more. When I read AvsX I feel irritated, so I figure best not to read it. OTOH, this friend also gives me other books and while I was won over to some (X-Men Legacy, X-23) others were weak and some were so boring I couldn't make myself read them, even for free. I hate to say this, but Daredevil is one. Black Panther is another. I really tried to get into Black Panther, but that wasn't happening. Same guy gave me the girl Black Panther a year and a half ago, and it was readable, but the Black Panther in DD territory was excruciating. Soooo boring, really couldn't finish those books.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Homer, dd

    by gooseud

    Are u talking about the current Waid DD? Because that book is amazing.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    joe: reboots/reimaginings/mashups/etc.

    by martinprince

    OK, I'm not some comic uber-geek. I can't spout off a list of all the spandex-and-cape titles currently on comic store shelves. But I think I speak for a segment of the comic buying population; call them casual-comic-readers. Perhaps you view readers like me as insipid dilettantes who don't know Krypton from Kandor, but I make it a point to patronize brick and mortar comic shops so I think comic buyers like me are valuable members of the larger comic community. You say that I throw around descriptive terms and a "net of charges" that ultimately I don't even understand the meaning of, just because I can't list specific examples of the types of comics I'm talking about. OK: let's just look at the new comics reviewed in this article. BEFORE WATCHMEN: cynical DERIVATIVE cash grab in my opinion; you say "too bad, so sad...DC can do what it wants cause it owns the rights." While that may be legally true I think that's bullshit when the original creator (even if he is a serial cartoon rapist) expressly opposes the prequel series. And I'd rather see these writers and artists working on original material. HAWKEYE #1: I've already said I'm not into superhero comics, but this is an example of why I feel that way: this character has been around for years but this is issue #1 of a new comic? One of the main reasons I find superhero titles like this off-putting is that I am somewhat of a completist and like to have read all the parts of a given narrative. But superheroes that have been around for decades and therefore have convoluted continuities (not to mention reboots/multiple universes/infinite crises, etc.) render them nearly impenetrable to new readers. TWO GREEN GUYS SITTING ON THRONES: 'nuff said! DEADPOOL KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE: Oh, what a novel idea. Until you realize that there has already been a PUNISHER KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE and WOLVERINE KILLS THE MARVEL UNIVERSE. As I understand it this meets the definition of REHASHED. AVENGERS VS THE XMEN: This sort of thing is what I consider a MASHUP, of course this is nothing new and is what comic books refer to as a CROSSOVER. This sort of thing has a long history, but to me it is just a case of "hey you know these superheroes who have been around forever? Well what if they fought each other??" Maybe when I was 13 I wondered "what would happen if THE THING fought THE HULK??" but not anymore. That being said: HARVEST and MIND MGMT seem like original and unique stories. I have added them to my list of comics to check out. Oh, and REBOOTS: while you deny that a retelling of the Batman origin story is essentially a reboot, you mention the NEW 52 which is exactly the sort of thing I am referring to. Maybe I don't satisfy your criteria for someone qualified to have opinions about comic books (and I realize my first post in this TB was "FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN" which isn't the most evenhanded critique, but I strongly feel like that whole series is bullshit). But the comic community also has great people like the talkbackers in this thread who have recommended titles that I might like and should check out (and I will check them out; both PROPHET and THE MASSIVE look worth a glance). While you just come across like the fucking Comic Book Guy on the Simpsons, and act very defensive about your precious superhero properties. Literally.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9 p.m. CST

    teal deer, bitch

    by Joenathan

    tl;dr

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    HOW IS YOUNG JUSTICE SOOOO GOOOD?

    by Poptard_JD

    WHY AM I YELLING??? I DON'T KNOw oh ok the caps lock was on. The Young Justice cartoon has no right being so awesome.

  • Aug. 10, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    I liked the yelling that time...

    by Greg Nielsen

    Plus the fact this thread is still going. What's the record on this?

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST

    Is It Yelling If You Can't Hear It?

    by Buzz Maverik

    I like using caps and I like to yell a lot in real life and find it funny that it upsets people on message boards (I imagine the kind of guys who get upset by stuff like that -- they are fuckin' funny). This thread made me realize for the first time that I always do titles on these posts in caps. Never thought about it.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN

    by Autodidact

    Last post!

  • Sorry, art farts, but I have to go with the pro-BW camp on this one. Not that I've read or will read BW. If I'm going to read a comic book, I want it to be something new and different from the one billion sixty nine other comic books I'm read before, kind of like, you know The Watchmen was back in the '80s. BW may be good, people say it is, but what do I care? No, the reason I'm with the pro-prequel crowd is that this falls into the gloriously capitalistic, hucksterrific history of comics. If they'll buy it, we will produce it. Now that comics are bigger ouroboros than ever, that means more auto-cannibalism. Personally, if Buzz Maverik Comics Group had launched this year, you'd be reading -- get ready for the shouting -- DYSTOPIAN GIRL ARCHER and SUPERHERO TEAM and AMNESIAC SECRET AGENT. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to head to LAX, catch a plane and be on time for my meeting with Marvel. I'm pitching a book, written and drawn by me, about a young woman who gets into a kinky relationship with a super villain. I call it FIFTY SHADES OF DOOM.

  • Aug. 11, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I'll sum up buzz's thoughts for you

    by Autodidact

    FUCK BEFORE WATCHMEN IN ITS ASS BLOSSOM.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    You know what's actually pretty good? Before Watchmen.

    by Poptard_JD

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST

    You know what would probably have been as good, or better?

    by Autodidact

    Original comics by the same creators. Enjoy your marketing victimhood.

  • Aug. 12, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST

    JarJar_JD that's what I'm gonna call you from now on Mr Prequel.

    by Autodidact

  • Aug. 13, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Please Don't Sum Up My Thoughts, Autodaddy...

    by Buzz Maverik

    Everyone should get to enjoy them in their full, unsummedup format.

  • Aug. 17, 2012, 8:40 a.m. CST

    A VS X is fucking garbage

    by NightArrows

    The writing is all over the place. The power sets are fucked. Thor might as well be Peter Parker for all the use he is (SO poorly written with regards to what he can do). There will be ZERO pay-back for any of the shit the Phoenix Force have wrought. Just like Fear Itself we have our heroes getting their asses kicked issue after issue and the redemption gets a panel at most. Wow. Thing kicks an inert Namor. REAL COOL PAYBACK. Magik needs to die. White Queen needs to die. SCOTT SUMMERS needs to die. Fuck this series. No more crossovers for me from the house of Quesada. And depending on Marvel NOW, possibly no more Marvel if it ends up shit.