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Learn Which Big-Deal British Actor Turned Down GAME OF THRONES' Mance Rayder Role!!

I am – Hercules!!

Dominic West, star of HBO’s “The Wire” and Disney's "John Carter,"  was apparently offered the role of Mance Rayder, the former member of the Night’s Watch who now rules the wildlings north of The Wall.

So “Game of Thrones” producers are thinking big – maybe even Sean Bean big – about who will play Rayder.

While promoting the second season of “The Hour,” West told HuffPost TV’s Maureen Ryan he recently turned down a role on “Thrones” because it would take him to Iceland – where the Jon Snow scenes are shot – for six months.

So with West out of the picture, which big-deal British actor will HBO next approach to play Rayder? Jason Isaacs? Ian Hart? Alan Rickman? Rhys Ifans? Bill Nighy? Adrian Edmondson? John Cleese?

Find all of Ryan’s story about Westero … er, West here.


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  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:40 a.m. CST

    West turns down opportunity to be relevant again

    by Grando

    More time for shitty UK drama and laughable Comic Book villains I guess....

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST

    didnt know dominic west was, uh, bitish

    by jsfithaca

    but actually that wouldve been so awesome. i mean maybe it was a bad casting, as i havent read the books so id have no idea, but dominic west would be awesome in game of thrones

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:47 a.m. CST

    oh nvr mind its fixed

    by jsfithaca

    my bad

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Sean Bean big

    by JackDeth


  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    How about Jason

    by 3D-Man

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Oops... Jason Flemyng!!!

    by 3D-Man

    Too much of a Nancy-boy??

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:20 a.m. CST


    by mossad77

    Shitty UK drama? If you mean Uk drama is "shitty", then you haven't seen Luther, Misfits, Line of duty, or Being Human to name but a few. If you refer to Dominic Wests CV and it's your way of saying "I don't like The Hour", I can only assume there aren't enough "Killins" for you.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST

    Shitty UK Drama?

    by Starcrossed_Part_2

    Agree with mossad77. Which UK dramas in particular do you find the most shittiest? Thankyou please

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST

    But who would Bunk play?

    by tangcameo

    And omg, McNulty was in John Carter? That poor bastard!

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Disney must have paid him enough to want to remain an obscure nobody.

    by Balkin Flabgurter

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Adrian Edmondson!!!

    by Steve Lamarre

    Or nothing!

  • Then asked the reporter 'should I have taken it?' numerous times during the exchange as I think he got more and more of an understanding what a big deal the show was. His reasons for saying no were being away from his kids for 6 months to film in iceland

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    I vote for Henry Ian Cusick aka Desmond

    by Rebel Scumb

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:51 a.m. CST

    Jason Fleming is a good choice to

    by Rebel Scumb

    It's a shame about West, he would have been perfect.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Since I'm actually from the UK...

    by Grando

    ...I think I'm qualified to describe the majority of our TV drama output as shitty, yes.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:13 a.m. CST

    To be slightly more precise.

    by Grando

    The only British show (non comedy, we rule at comedy) I've actually enjoyed was Sherlock.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST

    Sean Pertwee

    by CartoonScott

    That is all

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST

    haha mossad77 every one of those shows

    by JAMF

    you mentioned is a perfect example of shitty british drama. i suppose you think dr who is great science fiction too? i'm english and the only british tv shows i watch are peep show and downton abbey. everything else i watch is off torrents from us networks, hbo etc.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Bad decision...

    by Dancingforever

    The show is picking up in popularity and is beloved by the critiques. It would have been a small price to pay, 6 months in Iceland, to be part of something that is slowly becoming a pop culture icon. GoT could easily be as big as any show HBO has ever done. Season 3 will no doubt have a huge viewership, especially with the death of Rob Stark coming at the end of the season. This could very easily be the biggest season yet and lead to even bigger things in season 4, depending on when they have Mance lose the climatic battle at the wall to Stannis. It's har dot imagine anyone in this day and age who hasn't heard of this show. It's easily the best thing on TV right now.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:39 a.m. CST

    rent John Carter the other day...

    by IamHERE

    And you know what... It wasn't half bad. I found myself pretty much enjoying most of it. I would of went to see John Carter: God of Mars.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:49 a.m. CST

    @ dancingforever

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    Mate i know its a lot to expect no spoilers in a Talk-back but you could have given those who've not read the books a little warning

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Sean Pertwee indeed

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    Dominic West would have been great but Sean Pertwee would be a very good second choice for Rayder

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:03 a.m. CST

    six months in Iceland? I'm moving there in October

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    It's a fantastic place. They should have called me, i'd have done it

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST

    yeah, we do have shitty drama/tv in the UK

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    We do great comedy, better than ever these days, but the drama is shitty. We used to be : Edge of Darkness, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, Our Friends in the North, etc. Now most of what we do is pretty execrable. The last great drama out of Britain was Red Riding, i'd say.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST

    I'm not particularly fussed about Game of Thrones, I enjoy it

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    but Dancing Forever, what was the point in spoiling that for people? Trying to let people know that you've read the books or are you really that obtuse? No real excuse for that.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:57 a.m. CST

    West misunderstood 6 weeks in Iceland as 6 months?

    by spacechampion

    They only shot for 2 weeks last year, they're not likely to shoot more than 6 weeks this year. It is unfortunate he misunderstood the length of commitment. I hope any friends he has on GOT cast is calling him up and telling him to get his ass to Westeros.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Dominic West is not Sean Bean big

    by martinprince

    He's only recognizable to people who've seen THE WIRE and that silly john carter FLOP.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Michael Wincott gotta eat!!!!

    by Nice Marmot

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Spoilers, man!

    by DrSherlockHouse

    Seriously! Give some warning. I came on here to see discussion about casting, not a HUGE plot point for this next season. Thanks a lot! Some people just have to ruin things.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Sean Pertwee - good call.

    by rakesh patel

  • I freaking love this Show, and Storm of Swords along with A Dance With Dragons is by leaps and bounds the best book of the series. The TBer that suggested Michael Wincott is on point with that one. He'd be very entertaining. But after watching Awake (DAMN YOU NBC) I'd love to see Jason Issacs play Mance Rayder.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Tim Roth

    by skycrapper


  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:55 a.m. CST

    James Purefoy - for the win.

    by harryknowlesnothingaboutfilm

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST

    rob dies

    by saintsaucey

    Kate becomes some sort of silent killer jeoffry dies tywen dies little finger kills cats crazy sister Tyrion and sansa get married

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST

    You know Wikipedia trolls are the lowest form of trolls

    by skycrapper

    At least spell the names right.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    saintsaucey is a cunt DO NOT read his post if you are a GoT fan

    by DexterMorgan

    I hope that makes you feel a little better next time you muster up the ability to stop loathing yourself for long enough to dance the five knuckle shuffle. You sad strange little twat.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST

    David Tennant or Rufus Sewell

    by bauerpowerhour24

    both of those guys would do the role Great i would love to see David Tennant in Game of Thrones Make it happen

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I prefer an unrecognizable (at least to U.S. viewers) actor

    by martinprince

    Someone like Tim Roth or David Tenant would be distracting.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Wow, some real assholes in these "Game of Thrones" talkbacks

    by Toe Jam

    Some prick ruined the Red Wedding for me a few months ago in one of these talkbacks. Still was exciting and gripping, but I can only imagine how much better it would have been if I hadn't been expecting it. I hate to be one of the countless malcontents on this site, but it'd be really awesome if they could just add a feature that allows users to "vote to hide" comments from spoiler trolls. It'd be especially useful on a site dedicated to movies and TV and spoiler-laden discussions.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Was Sean Bean or Peter Dinklage distracting? (light spoiler)

    by skycrapper

    I was against Sean Bean at first because of the LOTR comparisons but I realized it didn't matter because he's just a good actor. And considering how badass Mance Rayder is, I would prefer a good "name" actor. (spoilers)He won't have a ton of scenes but they will be meaty scenes.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Just to clarify...

    by Dancingforever

    A spoiler is someone spilling the beans on an UNRELEASED project. Not a 15 YEAR OLD book series. If a movie about the bible were being made, I don't think we would all have to constantly list spoiler warnings as people would know that since this material is AVAILABLE TO ALL it is not something that can be spoiled unless it's someone who has not read it yet. If they haven't, why are they here, on a website that was founded on posting spoilers. The worst posters are the ones who want to be adult children and be protected from ANYONE ruining there experience, while they still have the right post and read anywhere they want. The responsibility then becomes all of ours to protect them. What do I say? Fuck them. Read the source material, or stay away it's very simple. Take responsibility for your own actions and don't go to websites expecting everyone else to protect you. By the way Toejam, that would have been me. :)

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Mance doesn't have many scenes.

    by Silv

    And I always felt he was underdeveloped. Maybe they're retooling him for the show, but I never put him on the same level of interest as Ned Stark.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST

    It's called being considerate dancingforever...

    by skycrapper

    and not being upity because you read the books. However you do have a point that if someone doesn't want to be spoiled, they should know by now to avoid these comments.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST


    by saintsaucey

    Sorry I misspelled Joffrey's and Tywin's names

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST

    McNutty was wise to turn it down

    by animas

    the show fucking sucks and he is better than it.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST


    by Dancingforever

    Did we do spoiler warnings for LoTR? Are we doing them for the Hobbit? Girl with Dragon Tattoo American Version, remake of the Thing, TCM etc. etc. etc. If a material is widely available to the public, it's not our responsibility to protect the people who aren't aware. It's THEIR responsibility to protect themselves. Very simple concept. You can't "spoil" material that can be attained by all. I also wonder just how many of these people who LOVE!!!!! the show so much seem to have no knowledge of the books. If they love the material so much, buy the fucking book and read it. Then you can't be spoiled and you are supporting the creator. All easy concepts. Lastly, don't be fooled. The "I've been spoiled crowd," seems to me to be a clever forum of high level trolling. Basically if anyone says anything they find spoiler they take over the talkback to bitch about it endlessly. It justifies personal attacks that many here are all to happy to join in with. Watch this over time and you will see I am right. Suspiciously it's ALWAYS the same people in every talk back who freak out about it, but then they ALWAYS come back to another one...and bitch again...Hmmmmmmm.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Rowan Atkinson!!!!

    by Drew

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    I watched the first two seasons

    by saintsaucey

    And then read all five books because I really wanted to know what happened next.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST

    Purefoy is The Red Viper, not Mance.

    by Mr Soze

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST


    by Mr Lucas

    dancingforever, you could just do the decent thing and apologise. Just because some talkbackers have insulted you, doesn't justify your original actions or your response. Yes the material is 'out there', but in this case I would say many many more people are watching the TV show and not reading the books. In this case, it's just showing some consideration to confine the discussion to the show. If not, then to at least not drop major plot points into a post that are not that relevant to the discussion (to whit the actor playing Mance Rayder). Thank you.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I agree with you on those dancingforever

    by skycrapper

    However I still think posting spoilers for anything in the subject line is a dick move. It's also someone who just gets their jollies by having people react to it. You're right about trolls of every type out there.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Why, Michael Cain of course

    by iceman199

    Isn't he in everything?

  • iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Either Henry Ian Cusick (Desmond) or Rufus Sewell or FORGET IT.

    by Chowwander

    Also: McNutty, you're a dumbass for turning this down. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiit, indeed.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:49 a.m. CST

    McNutty needs some Joffrey slaps for turning this down.

    by Chowwander


  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by Schadenfreude

    I've said more than once before that West would make a good Mance Rayder, so I'm sad he turned it down. However, I think he'd make a better Red Viper of Dorne, so I can live in hope that they come back to him for S04 (And that would be on the Malta/N.Ireland sets).

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Spolier argument

    by jake rodgers

    Since this is a posting regarding the casting of the TV show and not the books, you should have kept your fingers off the keyboard. If we were discussing the books - fine. But since it is the show we are talking about, you know cause the article is about CASTING THE SHOW not releasing the books, you should have kept your fingers off the keyboard. Now apologize and be a worthy human.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Mance Ryder ? Suddenly Cypher Raige seems pretty normal.

    by higgledyhiggles

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by Dancingforever

    So if we see a Hobbit casting announcement does that mean we can't talk about the story? I mean there are some people who haven't read it right? Apologize my arse. I'll apologize when Jamie Lannister grows his right hand back.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST

    this is a dumb career move

    by walt

    he should fire his agent

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST

    people post spoilers in every GoT talkback.

    by heylookoverthere

    It's much safer to not read them if you haven't read the books. I'm sorta surprised there are any talkbalkers left who don't know what happens.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11 a.m. CST


    by mr. smith

    you know it to be true.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    by The Outlander

    John Cleese?

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Herc just needs to ban dancingforever

    by Fico

    He's been spoiling GoT talkbacks from the beginning. I can understand an idiot doing it once in awhile, but what kind of person dedicates themselves to ruining people's fun? If it keeps him from shooting up a theater maybe it's a good thing I guess.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Nick Tarabay aka Ashur!!

    by David Staton

    Rickman is also a good choice though.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Tobias Menzies

    by donkey_lasher

    That is all.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Oh, too late.

    by donkey_lasher

    I just checked and he's already in it.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, noon CST

    You know nothing, McNutty.

    by tye dye mann

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Robert Carlyle next, please.

    by tye dye mann

    He's who I always pictured in my head. I know that he's supposed to be the best part of Once Upon a Time, but since I don't watch that stuff I'd have no problem with GOT stealing him away. Make it so, bitch!

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST


    by donkey_lasher

    Make it happen

  • I`m not the biggest fan but I do enjoy it. I don`t need to know whats coming up. I thought they went a little too `fantasy` in season 2. Dragons, Vag-Demon, undead army. I prefer the scheming in the capital best. You can never have enough Dinklage. I honestly thought they`d phase out the fantasy instead of ramping up. That`s the good part of not knowing the plot in advance.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST


    by Jeevan Chyle

    Being from the UK doesn't make you 'qualified' to say our output is 'Shitty' --- no-one voted you to speak on our behalf! And Jamf. Maybe you should be watching Dr Who ; you seem pretty juvenile. I HATE this arrogantly stupid attitude some people have, that they won't watch homegrown stuff. Yeah, the US has shows that are generally higher quality. But a show isn't 'shitty' just because it isn't Breaking Bad, GoT, The Wire, etc. Get over yourself. If you can't enjoy Being Human then you've had your sense of fun removed. If you think that Luther is 'shitty' because it isn't The Wire....what can I say? You've got some growing up to do. Only watching US shows makes you narrow minded as hell. But what can I say. You probably, deep down, wish you were American. You're not American though. You're just a twat!

  • Can't believe he passed. Always thought Al Davis was born for the role, but he's sadly passed.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Sean Pertwee YES!

    by pumaman

    He was the dogs bollocks in Dog Soldiers! He's be an awesome Mance!! And this dude Dominic West almost made The Wire unwatchable for me with his awful fake US accent!!

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1 p.m. CST

    Clive Owen?

    by Umbrage_uncut

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    dom turned the role down? what an asshat!

    by Stalkeye

    yet he starred in Punisher warzone as Jigsaw and a lame part at that. I also remeber him from Snyder's 300 in which he Rapes Leonydas' Wife while he is at war. Yup, McNulty is McNutty.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Purefoy because of Soloman Kane and Ironclad alone!

    by Stalkeye

  • Its not like its in the book or anything

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST


    by martinprince

    GRRM will never finish writing the series.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST

    dancing forever

    by jsfithaca

    fuck you. fuck you. fuck you. i shuld of known someone would be a dick like you and spoil shit.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    dancingforever is a douchenozzle

    by Handiana Jolo

    Though I don't think he meant to spoil people since he was just posting about the news and let his excitement get the better of him. It's not like the asshat later on who just listed a bunch of plot points. However, his subsequent defense of it is absurd and reads a lot like what very young children do when they're called out on doing something wrong - not apologize and instead try to justify. Dude - I've read all the books. I don't look down my nose at people who didn't have the time to do so in the past few years. But even as someone who has read them all, I triple-taked at your post when I saw what you disclosed. You made a mistake. Deal with it. Your idiotic objections that if people "truly" loved the series they'd pick up the books presumes a lot about people's lives, the amount of free time they have, and their preferred entertainment mediums. We have more data to presume you're a complete idiot than you have to presume you're even the teensiest bit smarter than anybody here. Including all the trolls.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Jason Isaacs would rock!

    by Nautilus_nrm1

    They shouldn't count out Aussie thespians though...

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Dancingforever

    Neither you nor your friends answered my question. Why are we not posting spoiler warnings for the upcoming Hobbit trilogy? I have been in numerous TBs for it, no warnings there, why not?

  • Hey, it could work. It could.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Who says Mance Rayder has to be white? Certainly not Martin.

    by Kai_Mah'gra

    Fanboys will freak out, but who gives a crap about them.

  • Would've been a phenomenal Rayder

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    not obtuse, a self-righteous, prim little shit then

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit argument

    by jake rodgers

    Has anything been revealed about certain characters fates in the story?? When Sir Buzz Killington was announced to be playing Gombeldy Gook the troll, did someone come out and tell us all that he would succumb to the Tolkieninitis and be turned into a stone door? I have read a lot of speculation on when the movies will end, not who will be dead when the movie is over. I don't even really care. I have just started the third book and was a little rankled is all. By reading the books, I am already spoiling the show, but I would never just post something like you did.

  • Clarence Royce. Bam! We might even get a Carcetti (Littlefinger) v. Royce rematch.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST


    by Kevin Hodder

    I enjoy GoT immensely, awful long book to read knowing how one of them ends. Trying very hard to stay civilized. SOB.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:44 p.m. CST

    and you are trolling, dancingforever

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    I can just tell by your attitude that if I were to look in other GOT talkbacks you'd be doing exactly the same in those too. You'll say your bit, then throw in a completely arbitrary reference or two to some event that is way off in the GOT future, just to be a bit fucking nasty. <P>Just cause you've read it, you think other people should have and if they haven't then it's their fault and you can feel superior and antagonistic towards them? There's plenty of cool shit in the world that you haven't discovered yet, that you wouldn't want told to you by some prim little shit before you'd had a chance to discover it. I know it sounds trite and very unsophisticated, but just consider other people, for once. If you're going to troll, do it unapologetically like that other shithead that posted after you. The trolling is tolerable; some people are just arseholes and part of life is tolerating them, but your self-righteous pre-prepared 'after' speech really grates.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    not unapologetically, gratuitously

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST


    by Dancingforever

    You didn't answer my question about the Hobbit films, that people ARE giving away every plot point to. In the last one we examined the appendices in great detail. Nobody started crying that they were spoiled, what is the difference? Try to answer that question only. I am betting you could actually be civilized and worthy of a discussion, but I've been wrong before.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST

    I'll tell you the main difference between ASOIAF and The Hobbit

    by skycrapper

    Everyone (before it was banned) read the Hobbit in 7th grade, it was required reading. It's a 200+ page book vs. 900+ page tombs. Not to mention that everyone and their mother knows how it turned out because they've seen LoTR movies. Even though ASOIAF has been around since '96 it didn't really become "popular" till the past 3 years or so (when HBO announced the series). ASOIAF is not a "geek staple" like LOTR and the Hobbit is (even though it should be).

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    exactly skycrapper

    by Rebel Scumb

    There also aren't huge plot twists in the hobbit the way there are in GoT, or at the very least not nearly so many and I would argue that it's still rude regardless If you love a book or movie, you should want other people to enjoy it as much as you do, not to suck all the joy out of the experience just so you can feel smug and superior for 2 seconds. I read all the books last year far faster than I would have liked specifically to avoid having things ruined because there's way too many assholes out there who take joy in ruining things for others. But there are plenty of people who just want to watch the show and enjoy it, and aren't that into books, and you know what, that's perfectly valid. If you're in a restaurant and you finish your meal and as your walking out you see someone about to start the same dish, do you spit in their food as you walk by?

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    What about Eccelston?

    by Rebel Scumb

    I know a lot of people wanted him for Stannis, but he could play both the gravity and lighter side of Mance The thing about Mance is, among his many qualities, he's cheeky.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4 p.m. CST


    by Jayeskimo

    Youre right, the book HAS been out for 15 years, but ot everyone has read it. If you're going to spoil major plot point have the decency to grow a fucking brain and write *SPOILER* Not that fucking hard you asshole.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    Saw one that got it right

    by SuperXY

    Clive Owen. Been thinking he would be great since the season ended. Clive has the right mix of charisma and unpredictability. Or Nathan Fillion. Because its Nathan Fillion.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    thanks skycrapper

    by Handiana Jolo

    Apparently since that nimrod douchebag dancingforever thinks everyone who agrees on this subject has to be friends, thanks friend for summarily putting up the point I was going to but using 1/10th of the space I would've taken to do it.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:11 p.m. CST

    i'd imagine that some people were spoiled

    by IWasInJuniorHighDickhead

    because if they didn't know something about it, it counts as a spoiler. They probably didn't say anything because they couldn't be bothered, or would feel silly cause the book has been out for many, many years. Many people would be spoiled if we were talking about Dracula, or Frankenstein. Not everyone has read everything. <P>You should be able to talk about spoilers on a board, if you mark them as such and you've warned people beforehand, and you're not derailing the thread.<P>My issue with your post was that your plot points were given without a warning, and the points mentioned were not really linked in any way to anything anyone was talking about. It's like talking about, say, Bryan Singer, then taking time out to bullet point every important thing that happens in The Usual Suspects. There was no reason for it, and the lengths you went to in arbitrarily shoehorning in some spoilers suggest that you have some kind of axe to grind with people who have the temerity to want to talk about a show they love when they've not managed to read the whole saga. It's the same vibe people use when they say they've seen a long awaited film before the release date, where they casually drop (usually false) information, just to show how cool and connected they are. But, like you say, the books are out there and there's no special cachet in having read them, and certainly no reason to spoil the enjoyment for other people.<P> To go back to The Hobbit, i'd say: there is a line. After nigh on a century, i'd say there's an unspoken relaxation of the rules. If GOT sells as many copies as the Bible and we're still around in sixty years, then we can talk. But if the discussion is about a character's casting and you then go off on a tangent to spoil two season's worth of material, then we're back to the exact same place.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST

    The best quality of Mance is not his "cheekyness"

    by skycrapper

    It's his "you don't want to fuck with me" side.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    true, but the cheekiness sets him apart *minor spoiler within*

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm thinking about that whole story of how he slipped over the wall and romanced the girl and then in book 5 when he is undercover at a certain castle, while a certain group of unsavory people are there.

  • It is a shame about Dominic West, I never would have thought of him on my own, but once I saw the article about him stupidly turning the role its hard for me to picture anyone but him

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Well out of all the "Throne" contenders (spoilers)

    by skycrapper

    Mance Rayder would be the best of the would be Kings. There a definite charisma to the King beyond the wall. His speach to Jon before the final assault on the wall is awesome.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by Fico

    Why do you DEDICATE yourself to spoiling GoT for people? Because I'm pretty sure you've been donig it since fucking 2010.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST

    speech *derp

    by skycrapper

  • How different things would be in Westeros. Between the 2 remaining Baratheons they had all the qualities of a great King, if Renly was older than Stannis, than Stannis would do his duty and serve renly, Renly could make him Hand of the King, and with the their combinded armies the lannisters would have fallen quickly

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Michael Sheen anyone???

    by Patrick Sullivan

    I always pictured him in the role when reading the books

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    dancingforever, you my friend are a dick

    by dogfish112

    Spoilers maybe? you'd probably tell a four year old that Spoiler *********************************************************************************** that Santa is his dad

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    fico- You are absolutely right. He's been doing it for AGES

    by Cartagia

    He pops up every now in then in some random GoT talkback and spoils shit. He's just a fucking asshole. He did it in a HARRY POTTER talkback for christ sakes. I sent an e-mail to Herc explaining the situation like a year ago. Pleading for that douche to get banned. And I've READ all the books.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST

    James Purefoy James Purefoy

    by Ben

    James Purefoy. That is all.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Ditto on Purefoy ...

    by Valaquen

    Was happy to see Tobias Menzies in this. Is it too much to ask for Purefoy too, and perhaps Kevin McKidd whilst they're at it ;)

  • Very curious to see how they cast Val though.

  • Book #3 may have been around 15 years, but thanks to the show, many only first discovered the series a little over a year ago. The Hobbit was published about 75 years ago, and has previously been adapted into a film. Most of us here would have read it growing up. Like LOTR, The Hobbit is one of those books all nerds read when young. You can't compare a book that has been around for decades (and generations) to a recent one. Seeing as how the topic at hand is the show and not the books, anything from the books that has yet to happen in the show is a spoiler. Very simple concept. Just put **SPOILER** in your subject. Very simple and easy to do. Just because this is a "spoiler site" doesn't mean it is OK to randomly post any spoiler for anything in any TB. Even a spoiler site has rules, like no off-topic posting (to keep people from inadvertently posting off-topic spoilers) and SPOILER tags on stories that contain spoilers. It is up to the TBers to let others know their comments contain a spoiler. Courtesy (look it up if you need to).

  • Not because he condones it, and not because Dancingforever is immune because he once defended Harry (his "logic", not mine), but because Herc doesn't read the TBs. He hasn't read the books, he prefers to first experience the story through the show so he stays away from the TBs for fear of being spoiled.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST

    He would have been a great Mance...

    by ckone

    Too bad... Can't wait for season 3...

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    "Sean Bean big" - oh Hercules, you are such a comedian

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Nathan Fillion for Mance Rayder.

    by JediRob

    Make it so.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    I'll stick up for Dancing **SPOILERS**

    by Flyswatta

    While intentionally posting spoilers is infuriating and downright mean...the management here doesnt seem to ever stop it, and its their perogative. Also... There isnt even an ending to GOT yet. Not sure how one spoils something if we dont know how it ends. Second...i guess you could say that some of the minor plotlnes could be spoiled, but given the authors propensity for major twists. How many times were people killed only to be brought back at a much later date. Let me see Kat, Bran, Mance to name a few. Hell at this point im certain Ned Stark will be back in book 6 or 7. For this series, it seems that everything that occurs has some type of expiration that it will completely change later. Kinda hard to spoil in that kind of environment.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    i thought dominic west was dominic cooper...

    by yourSTEPDADDY

    with that said, whats up with dominic cooper gettin a role (despite me not ever actually seein him in anything) regarding Mance, whats so special about him? sure he is a key character but it seems like a lot of people like him, i just dont know why then again, i am doin a quasi reread now (1st time reading GoT then CotK) so maybe Ill see somethin more special in Mance this time

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by yourSTEPDADDY

    I wish I was a fictional character in Westeros so I can raise my banners to him


  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    I vote Yay for banning DancingForever.

    by Red_Right_Return

    AND his alter ego saintsaucey.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST

    dancingforever is an asshole

    by Mr. Giant

    Fuck you, dickhead. This is why I usually avoid any talkback for any show I like at AICN because any asshole who's read a book loves to casually let people know. Yay, you can read, good for you. But now we can't even read a talkback about CASTING? I hope your mom dies of cancer and you're really sad about it, and then you try to kill yourself but fail miserably and become a cripple.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    There can be only one!

    by Engelhast

    Get the Highlander himself Chistopher Lambert for Rayder.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Mr smith

    by Zeb

    Had it right. James Purefoy is perfect for it.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Go dancingforever

    by Zeb

    Every one says the rough estimate for time on spoilers is a few months. At the most a year. Book has been out for 12, yes, 12 years. Quit your bitchin. And to show my support... Geoffry dies Balon dies Cat and Robb die Tywin dies Suck it whiny nerds!

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Giant

    This talkback was about about episodes for a tv show that haven't even been produced yet. A book discussion is entirely different.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Is "Sean Bean big" anything like "Gabby Hayes big"?

    by FastEddie8139

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST

    by Henry Fool

    I nominate Christopher Heyerdahl, who plays the Swede on 'Hell on Wheels' and who had a brief but memorable turn on the somewhat disappointing fifth season of 'True Blood'.<br /> <br /> If it were 2006, I'd totally be shouting for Michael Fassbender but he's too big now. I'll never forget first seeing him when BBC America aired the series 'Hex'.

  • So everyone who didn't happen to read the first editions the day they were published has lost the right to enjoy things?? Even if you believe that what is to be gained by driveby spoilering. It's one thing if someone is making a valid point about something and happens to let something slip without realizing others don't know. It still sucks and should be avoided at all costs, but at least its an accident as a result of thoughtful discussion. The only reason to spoil something for someone is because you want to diminish their enjoyment, which pretty much means you secretly hate the show/movie/book you claim to love.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Dougray Scott?

    by mullymt

    I don't know the character, but the actor is good.

  • No, according to Dancingforever you have lost that right the second he learns a spoiler. Kind of a very childish "I know something you don't know", "you snooze, you lose" or "FIRST" mentality. His philosophy is if he personally has read a spoiler anywhere on the internet, that makes it "widely known" and therefore fair game. This is the guy who posted a spoiler for "Dance With Dragons"* the same day the book hit stores. Oh yeah, and he posted it in a Harry Potter TB. *granted, after reading the book, the event isn't as clear-cut as he'd made it out to be (probably because he hadn't actually read it, only read the spoiler, so he really didn't know what he was talking about).

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Let's make this really REALLY easy...

    by Sithtastic

    I've been coming to this site now for over a decade. Never in my entire time here has there been what I'd deem an effective way of containing spoilers. However, the public pillory of Dancingforever is a good start, where I am concerned. However, if readers are more interested in a spoiler free community about GOT, then know that a HUGE one already exists on sites like Tower of the Hand,, A Podcast of Ice and Fire, and my favorite Winter Is Coming. These are all excellent resources for readers and viewers alike and they break news on the show much more quickly. Don't get me wrong, I'll still come here for most my film news, but when it comes to GOT, there are far superior sources.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST


    by yourSTEPDADDY

    boom ps: i feel bad for people who literally had to stop reading the book because their favorite character(s) died... i just lol at their choices for fave characters

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST

    dougray scott

    by Rebel Scumb

    he must be pissed MI2 ran long in production and he had to drop out of xmen (as wolverine) I bet he wonders every day if he would have hugh jackman's career otherwise I would be fine with him as Mance

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:17 a.m. CST


    by boosebaster


  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Also, "Sean Bean Big" my fucking arse

    by boosebaster

    I'm British and I only vaguely know who Dominic West is. The Wire (respected but obscure) and John Carter Vs. Sharpe and Lord of the Rings? And you think this puts them on a similar level somehow?

  • and big ones to, it seems unlikely

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Sean Bean big

    by Rebel Scumb

    and even Sean Bean isn't that big by star standards, though I've always really liked him and I think most people do. I like West, but to be honest I always found McNulty to be the least interesting character on the Wire.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Orla O'Rourke for Val

    by Rebel Scumb

    she was hot in Strike Back

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Sean Bean big?

    by jim

    Ray Stevenson?

  • Aug. 17, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Ciaran Hinds has been cast as Mance Rayder

    by rk349097

    I haven't read the books, so I don't know how old this character is supposed to be. Hinds is considerably older than West, Cusick, Scott, or anybody else discussed for the role, so this appears to be a bit out of the box. Yet another example of HBO continuing to give roles to cast members from its former shows; it's a matter of time before Ian McShane makes an appearance on this show. As long as Hinds keeps his inner ham at bay (see "Political Animals" for a full-on Pacino), he should be fine.