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Joe Carnahan May Do DAREDEVIL!! Fox & Marvel In Talks About Swapping Silver Surfer And Galactus Rights!!
The Kidd here...
If you've been waiting, hoping and wishing for Marvel to get their hands back on the rights of some of the properties they had sold away in the past, then today is your lucky day. No, they're not getting back Spider-Man or the X-Men, but the Silver Surfer and Galactus may be in play, and all it's going to cost Marvel is a little more time without Daredevil.
Let me explain...
20th Century Fox has been trying to get something started with a DAREDEVIL reboot for awhile now, ever since Ben Affleck and Mark Steven Johnson damaged the property with their subpar 2003 solo film for the character. David Slade has been attached for quite some time, although there has hardly been significant progress in getting a new film into production.
And now Fox's backs are against the wall.
According to Variety, unless Fox has a new DAREDEVIL picture in front of cameras by October 10, the rights to Daredevil would then revert back to Marvel Studios. But not so fast...
Fox has plans to turn DAREDEVIL into a "Frank Miller-esque, hardcore 70s thriller" with none other than Joe Carnahan at the helm... but it's going to take them a little more time to get such a film together, much later than that October deadline.
So here comes Marvel coming to the negotiating table with all the leverage in the world, willing to let Fox extend their time frame in order to make the less family-friendly version of DAREDEVIL.
But what do they want in return? Silver Surfer and Galactus.
Marvel is willing to trade that extended use of Daredevil in exchange for the right to use characters from the Fantastic Four segment of the Marvel Universe, with their eyes set on Silver Surfer and Galactus for use in their further expansion of the Marvel Movie Universe, post-AVENGERS.
Josh Trank is attached to direct a FANTASTIC FOUR reboot for Fox, but that doesn't mean the Surfer or Galactus has to be a part of his vision for the foursome. It also means we may be moving closer to bringing the rights together for quite a few of these characters with Marvel Studios perhaps partnering up with Fox on future pictures that may involve those whose rights don't belong to Marvel currently.
Negotiations are ongoing, and really the choice is Fox's right now. They can risk losing Daredevil for nothing, as October is rapidly approaching and looks like an impossible date to make in order to hold onto those rights, or they can offer up a couple of characters that don't hold as much value to them in order to proceed with Joe Carnahan doing DAREDEVIL. It's quite clear which characters are most important to each studio, so let's see this deal happen, and some really quality flicks made as a result, because just the possibilities of such an agreement are extremely exciting.
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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He was good
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Love to see Surfer and Galactus back with Marvel. Fox can keep Daredevil for all I care.
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who do fans want to see back under marvelmore? Daredevil or silver sufer and galactus? I personally think SS and galactus could be much better put to use in the marvel film universe then DD
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Goddamn hope so.
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Considering Marvel is opening up the more galactic/fantasy side of things with Thor 2 and the Guardians in the future SS and Galactus fit much better in there.
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Would it really harm either company's bottom line to let the characters in their respective rights universes MENTION the characters controlled by the other studio? Why can't Tony Stark, say, make an offhanded reference to "Reed Richards" in Iron Man 3? Or, Shield mention Spiderman? You don't have to show the character. They don't have to be in the film at all. You just say their name during dialogue, as though they exist in that universe. If DC and Marvel can execute character crossovers, why the hell can't Sony, 20th Century Fox and Marvel?
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Aug. 6, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
Just make a Secret Wars movie already and get it over with.
by ImMorganFreeman
Get along, work out a deal with Sony, Fox, and Marvel, and just give us what we want, dammit!
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The Marvel Universe is naked without the FF and/or Spiderman. Can you imagine DC without Superman and Batman? And, their big Tent Pole characters are -- Green Lantern and Wonder Woman?
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That just seems odd to be able to get silver and galactus back but not the FF (cause come on, FF and Spider Man should have had cameos in the Avengers movie) Is it going to be 'big ball of smoke' galactus or ginormous purple galactus (What's worse galactus purple or wolverine yellow?)
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Aug. 6, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
"none other" than Joe Carnahan. Does The A-Team earn that moniker?
by JediRob
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And, BTW, I don't get the hatred for the Ben Affleck Daredevil flick. I actually enjoyed it, and thought he did a nice job as Matt Murdoch. Colin Farrell was great as Bullseye, and I liked Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin. (It reminded me of casting Bernie Casey as Felix Liter in "Never Say Never Again" that one-off remake of Thunderball in the 1980's with Sean Connery, and directed by Irwin Kirshner). I think people just hate that movie because they hate Ben Affleck, and just couldn't see past him as Daredevil. It was a decent movie, I thought.
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If this goes through, it'll be music to my ears. Do we really need to relive the pain of seeing a giant, moody cloud being called Galactus? Please god no....
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Sounds like a great deal for marvel. fox loses Galactis and the Silver Surfer, then the FF movies will suffer because they don't have too many more good villains in my opinion. and I wonder how much more time Marvel offered Fox. What if they do this deal, and then the amount of time elaspes and they get Daredevil anyway :)
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I assure you. Galactus will definitely be a giant humanoid being, but it is highly unlikely he'll have that giant purple costume. They'll re-design it somehow, and make his helmet a thing he only has to wear when he feeds, or something. They re-designed Captain America's iconic costume, for chissakes.
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Get Dr. Doom while you're at it. You'll kill the FF reboot before the suits in charge even realize that the only possible villain they have left for the movie is moleman.
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It's OK... not terrible, not great. By no means the worst superhero movie, and Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin really worked for me. Not a huge Carnahan fan (he's also OK... not terrible, not great). But I have to say he seems like a really good fit for Daredevil, especially if they gritty it up 70s-style. I could see that working.
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Fantastic Four without Surfer and Galactus? Outside of Doom, what other characters are bankable and exclusive to the FF universe? How long before FOX decides they made a mistake and wants to use those characters again, forcing them to give up something else in the process? Characters created outside of comics rarely work and I just don't see the mole men as a long term option for a tentpole movie series.
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Please let this happen.
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Even though this latest film was better than it had any right to be.
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Fox has X-Men, FF and Daredevil? I guarantee you they will start appearing in each other's movies, eventually. In part this is because of the success Marvel had in integrating its movie universe. But, also, people will eventually get bored with the one hero -- and multiple villains, meme. X-Men is a little better off because they have such a huge cast of characters to choose from. You can, literally, introduce more X-Men in each installment. But, FF -- while a team -- is more limited. Their lineup is set -- unless you want to insert Herbie or She-Hulk. LOL!
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I really hope they don't though.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
Marvel will receive the rights to Galactus and a superhero to be named later. Fox will receive The Silver Surfer and Miguel Tejada.
by AzulTool
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I'm not quite sure Marvel's going off in a galactic direction is the way to go, frankly. Then again, a Kree v Skrull War themed series of Marvel movies would be epic.
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You can only exploit him in one or two movies, and you can't spin him off because Marvel owns all the cosmic stuff in the marvel universe. They'd have to create entirely new stuff for him, which would be a serious threat to his marketability. And, of course, you have to get Galactus in a package deal with the Surfer or you can't do the Surfer's origin story. And, just to piss off Fox, you could even re-do the whole Surfer/Galactus introduction thing with the Avengers in place of the Fantastic Four. (snicker)
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Don't sell yourselves short.
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"There will NEVER be any giant robots in any movies my studio makes" -Tom Rothman. That went double for giant guys it seems. Galactus is FAR better off back at Marvel.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST
I Agree get the Skrulls and have the potential for both Secret Invasion and Kree-Krull War on Avengers.
by Meta
Fox is the one in the corner, don't let them push you Marvel. They don't want to lose Daredevil!
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Or is it red leather. I only know the Ben Aflek one. Hemingway’s Foyer – Your Last Place To Be A Man www.hemingwaysfoyer.com
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I can't believe someone actually wrote that. Secret Wars was awful, awful writing in every way possible. At the time it came out it was ridiculed by most critical readers and lapped up by the 12-year-olds who bought every X-book because they were X-books. It was shit, and the only thing that made it look a bit less shit was Secret Wars II.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
get the ff back too. avengers vs galactus and the silver surfer vs the ff and- THING VS HULK.
by vulturess
and throw some namor vs ff in there too.
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Marvel sold those rights without being held at gunpoint, if I recall correctly. Analogy fail, pigdog.
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How different is Galactus from anything that went down in Star Wars. DD can be make into a Nolanesque thing. Also if you read the Variety article carefully it said "share the rights" wich would mean that both studios can use the characters
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
The Silver Surfer? MOTHER FREAKING BRING IT! And get mother freaking JMS to write it!
by The Krypton Kid
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
Uh screw Galactus & the Surfer why not some from the X-Men Universe like Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver
by Wcwlkr
Get some of the X-Men characters back. Expand the Marvel U to include some MUTANTS. Than you get a truly expanded Marvel Cinematic Universe! Or better yet screw them & let the rights fall back to Marvel. That way we ensure Daredevil is DONE RIGHT!
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...Marvel will have a field day with Galactus and Silver Surfer back at their disposal, and the new Daredevil sounds better. Free runners all around please!
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its far more to their benefit to get Daredevil back! Look I love galactus and the surfer as much as anybody but i would much rather have a Daredevil film produced by marvel, maybe even have him in the avengers. its an impossible task for fox to get something in front of cameras in two months, so i hope they see the better deal
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
Aim for the stars NEGOIATE a partnership to get the FF back. Or better yet let the rights fall back!
by Wcwlkr
Come on Marvel you got Fox by the balls take back what is YOURS!
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Marvel/TheMouse doesn't have the time or resources to develop all of their marquee characters. They have now shown the world what their vision looks like. there is no reason not to let Fox and Sony develop their characters to be part of the MCU if the money can be made to work and the other studios take the material seriously . If Marvel pulls this off they will need a team of Sherpas to carry their huge hairy balls and a Cave Troll to guide their huge cock of ultimate justice into into Tom Rothman's misshapen and hemmorhoidal crinkle tart.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
Galcatus and Silver Surfer, FantasticFour need to come part and parcel
by donkingkong
throw in the Skrulls/Kree in that equation too, with all due respect to the Chitauri who did an admirable job at aping the Skrull.
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THANK YOU MARVEL good luck and godspeed
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...(he played Mac in the original Predator movie) would completely OWN the role. He even played a similar character on an episode of Syfy's BSG series.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Maybe it's for the best that FF wont have Galactus or the Surfer again. That means they HAVE to get Dr Doom perfectly right for the reboot.
by hank henshaw
Dr. Doom can easily be the villain for an entire trilogy of Fantastic Four movies. In fact, Doom is a much more interesting, memorable character than any of the Fantastic Four. How were they able to screw it up that badly in the Tim Story movies is incomprehensible.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
DD was not phat. It was not bad ass. It was not the shit. It was not the bomb. It *was* a bad, fat shit bomb that stunk of ass.
by 3774
There's no reason at all that Fox and Marvel couldn't work with each other beyond 'this for that' trades. Spidey didn't have to thwip his way through a scene in the Avengers, but they could have at least had an Oscorp appearance like they wanted. If they would set coke-sniffing corporate egos aside, they could get serious with (sigh....) 'synergy', and have Fantastic Four and Co. working together. Yes, I wish Marvel had full control also. But getting Sony and Marvel to co-operate, plan, and work in tandem with each other would be the next best thing. And because no TB post can go without hyperbole: anybody that demands arbitrary change (RE: 'Galactus look must be change') is a 16 year old who never picked up a comic book. Let's just go with the originals, lest we end up with everyone dressed in black leather, or a large cloud of bad CGI.
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...a Joe Carnahan-directed Daredevil would be awesome...Liam Neeson as Stick...?
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Those two characters can be used in either property already (X-men with Fox, or Avengers/MCU properties with Marvel) according to Kevin Feige. If used in MCU, no mention of mutants or Magneto is allowed though. http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/04/20/kevin-feige-talks-avengers-scene-quicksilver-scarlet-witch-rights/
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Give me a huge purple headed galactus ripping through the galaxy like a big purple blue veined unstopable cock of destruction. If you dont' have the guts to do that then you shouldn't be in the Galactus business. Marvel wants Galactus for the next Avengers villan and the Surfer should come with him.
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This is the first step.
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This allows Marvel to do a solid Defenders lineup (Doc Strange, Hulk, Surfer, Iron Fist...possibly Namor...dunno if he falls under the Fantastic Four umbrella...please god no Red She-Hulk). The recent comics relaunch of the group is pretty damn good, and is another team franchise to be exploited alongside Avengers and Guardians. As they grow the Avengers side of the universe, they'll need somewhere to put additional characters so that the Avengers aren't made up of 14 team members. Defenders bridges the gap between terrestrial and cosmic very nicely.
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Yes, they missed out a whole bunch of character origin stuff, but it was a whole lot of fun. Though the director really screwed the pooch when he went on to make Ghost Rider.
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She's cool! And wouldn't spreading Hulk across two franchises be a bit much? Give me back my big-ass sword!!
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.. is anything stopping them from using Annihilation as a basis of the Guardians of the Galaxy movie? It would need some editing to add Rocket Racoon and Groot in, but would work very well to introduce all the cosmic players and the Guardians themselves (and of course Thanos)
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
How would you guys feel if Marvel got ALL the rights on the superheroes back?
by Kyle DeMattio
I cannot respond to that, let alone fathom all the possibilities.
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You shouldn't use Galactus without Reed Richards to modify the ultimate nullifier or what not.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 4:59 p.m. CST
>>Fox has plans to turn DAREDEVIL into a "Frank Miller-esque, hardcore 70s thriller"<<
by Mr. Pricklepants
Gee, I wonder where they got the idea from.
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Been hearing speculation about that line-up for awhile. That would kick 10 types of ass.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
We truly live in amazing times and you haters are MISSING IT
by SupermanIsMyGod
This potentially sets us up for an Avengers trilogy where Loki, Thanos, and fucking GALACTUS are the villains!! The Surfer? Uatu?? I feel sorry for all those sad bastard fanboys who can't get their nerd-on for this, because my mind is racing right now. Awesome news!! Ain't it cool?!?
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Marvel took B-list heroes like Iron Man and Thor and turned them into Tentpole franchises. They make a critically acclaimed and financially successful Captian America movie, which was once deemed unmakable. Marvel Studios can't put out 8 movies a year, they just can't do it. But they can put out 4 good ones while fox and Sony each put out 2. By giving up some points to Marvel they get the kind of creative input that will make the franchises succesful. Why not allow Fox and Sony properties into the MCU. We get good rendiditons of our favorite properties, everyone gets paid, handjobs all around!
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Marvel have plenty of off-planet characters to play with for a long time to come yet without SS or Galacticus, but a proper Marvel Dare Devil movie with some Avengers nods would make more sense as a gap-filler one-off in a summer line-up, IMO.
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Just saying
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
The world needs an R-rated Joe Carnahan incarnation of Bullseye.
by Doctor_Strangepork
You'll never sleep again.
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All the silver surfer stuff worked but the wedding and bitchy chick sht just killed me. Painful to watch.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
It wasnt so much that DD was a horrible film- it was just boring- in part because Daredevil was hardly ever the coolest comic hero
by wcolbert
Im glad they are getting Galactus/ SS into the right hands- who really cares about blind boy anyway? Lame.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST
A "70's" DAREDEVIL movie? - Honestly, what has to happen for people to admit that Fox and Warner Bros. just don't know how to adapt comics??
by TopHat
The "Dark Knight" films were the result of Nolan, NOT Warner Bros., before you have a chance to use them as an excuse... And, I'm sorry to break this to the apologists, but, the so-called "X-Men" movies - ARE NOT ABOUT THE X-MEN. They're about Eric, Charles, and Logan. It would be like Marvel deciding to make an "Avengers" film ...that follows Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. with the actual Avengers as supporting characters. They can't even pick GOOD X-Men characters or make their powers seem amazing: In the comics Iceman can create giant ice slides and can freeze pretty much everything, in the movie, "Bobby" can create ...cgi dust that kind of freezes some stuff. Superman used to be BETTER than humans - Which was the whole reason why a movie should be made about him. Now, Superman is just like us! In time, we we join him in the sun!! W.T.F. I swear, its as if Warner Bros. and Fox pretty much drain everything that's exciting and interesting from a property, while Marvel actually builds it up. What to see the physical representation of a Fox or Warner Bros. comic book adaptation in comparison to a Marvel one? Next time a FANTASTIC FOUR, X-MEN, or DARK KNIGHT movie is playing on TV, turn down all the color on the picture, put on closed-captioning, and hit mute.
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It's really a knee-jerk reaction to every character suddenly spawning "families" of characters that are color-pallete swaps into the infinite colors in the crayola box (Green Lantern gaining myriad other Lantern Corps kinda works)...I think it'd be odd for them to skip regular She-Hulk and jump right to Red She Hulk.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:42 p.m. CST
goldentribe - Galactus's headgear is the most iconic element of Kirby's design. It wouldn't be Galactus without it as far as I'm concerned.
by Cervantes
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST
Fuck this bullshit! If Marvel is looking for properties to development -- Make an R-rated Punisher based on the recent Thomas Jane short!!
by atlatl
It's a perfect opportunity and it's staring them right in their face. Correct me if I'm wrong, haven't the rights reverted back to Marvel? If that wasn't a solid proof of concept of a creative team doing the character right as true fan's of the property I don't know what is? Plus, the superhero genre has been flooded with too much cosmic/fantasy based stories, people are crying out for more straight up action movies, which seems to be a dying genre, replaced by superheroes. The Punisher would be a great way for Marvel to use their resources, keeping the action genre alive and diversifying their slate. The Guardians of the Galaxy is too out there for the mainstream movie goer, give us the Punisher!!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST
Funny, I seem to remember most people liking DD at the time it came out.
by art123guy
Not loving it mind you, but liking it. And I agree, the director's cut is better.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:46 p.m. CST
How about either Robert Rodriguez or Quentin Tarantino doing Daredevil?
by yeah i'm a jerk!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
sounds like they're gearing up for a big cosmic infinity gauntlet showdown!!
by la te ral us
hell. yes.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
The problem with Affleck's DD is that he refused to kill the kingpin on moral grounds...
by Adelai Niska
...no more than 3 minutes of screen time after he outright murdered a defenseless Bullseye. Nothing says "I'm not a bad guy" quite like killing a guy with useless hands.
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A total win-win scenario for the fans. DD fans will finally get the mature, gritty Daredevil movie that needs to be made. And the Avengers will finally be able to cinematically retell the Galactus saga correctly! Points to Montycristo for speculating that acquiring SS could lead to a Defenders franchise. Kudos to Marvel Studios (and their lawyers) if this deal goes through.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
Speculation: who can play Murdock next time? Charlie Hunnam? Ben Foster?
by Adelai Niska
You really need the right mix of "smart as a lawyer" and "insane as a vigilante"
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Aug. 6, 2012, 6:01 p.m. CST
Nicholas Winding Refn and Ryan Gosling should do this. Carnahan is far too hit and miss...
by ChickenStu
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Come on, man.
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My friends and I love to fantasize about dream scenario comic book movie casting and I thought he would make a great Matt Murdock. He was in fantastic shape in 300 and just naturally looks like the character. A few others we came up with were Ryan Kwanten as Johnny Blaze in the new reboot, Naomi Watts as Sue Storm, one I saw online that I really liked was Margarita Levieva (Lisa P. from Adventureland) as Rogue in a future X-men film, and now here is where we start to get really silly with it....wait for it....... Daniel Day Lewis as Doctor Strange!!
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I've been thinking for a while that Marvel going all cosmic is rather lame without Surfer & Galactus. Bring on the scene of Thanos talking smack to the world eater! I'd love it!
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Gosling would be a good draw. Not bad... I haven't seen any of Carnahan's films, but his reputation leaves some to be desired...
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Marvel sort of sliced their "cosmic" properties off into their own little corner a few years back, starting with the Anihilation books, and leading into things like Nova and the new Guardians. Given that last teaser scene of Thanos from Avengers, the knowledge of a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, and now seeing them looking for Silver Surfer and Galactus back, I think they are seeking to target a portion of their movies out into that same genre space. Someplace where the lack of Spiderman or the FF is not so apparent and they are less restricted by older licensing deals. Guardians seemed an odd choice for a movie on its own. Guardians + Thanos in play is interesting. Guardians + Thanos + Silver Surfer + Galactus = a huge multi movie "Anihilation" type cosmic event. Which could be awesome of well written. (Heck they are making an Ant Man movie, which means Ultron is probably on the table as well.)
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Regarding brigon asking about using Anihilation as the basis for the Guardians movie. I think it would have to be some sort of hybrid movie. The big thing stopping a full blown Anihilation adaption is the villain. Anihilus is part of the Fantastic Four license, so Fox would still have him and Blastar, unless they are also part of the Galactus negotiations. Any movie will more likely swap Thanos into the Anihilus role of conqueror and destroyer, with the Chitauri from the Avengers movie standing in for the Anihilation wave bugs.
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I have to be honest, I'm a little worried about the direction that Marvel is going with opting to do GG. That's a game-killer in my honest opinion. Sure it will make the geeks happy, but admit it, if you didn't already know the book, the thought of a pistol packing space raccoon just conjurs up images of "Fury Vengance - The Space Years." You might as well get Brendan Frasier to star in it. One of the things I really liked about the way they did Iron Man, and even Captain America was the way they followed Nolan's "real-world" imaging of things. Even Thor was toned down to make it less fantasy, more grounded in reality... as much as a superhero movie can be I guess. That said, if Marvel wants to continue to dominate, the better move is getting Daredevil back, and having something in the Batman-esque type of movie that can play to the larger audience. Once that franchise is in play, you can take chances on the films with less name recognition and lesser audience appeal.
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I am way too old to be way too excited over this news, but still I am happy for Stan Lee, his favorite character might be back at Marvel! 'nuff said
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wasn't any good, and that's why nothing's going to happen with it.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
Galactus + Silver Surfer + Avengers + Guardians = Incredible Space Epic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by crackerfarmboy
Star Wars and Star Trek will be heading for the hills. Make this deal happen!!!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
goldentribe. umm...no. Loki's helmet was bad ass. Galactus' helmet is bad ass. Marvel will do it right.
by adeceasedfan
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Aug. 6, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
Isn't there a film studio that DOES have all the rights to a comic universe?
by Lucifer Haywood
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I would love to see Marvel get the FF rights back. We now know Fox's DD option expires in October. When does their FF option expire, though? <p> It is interesting regarding Galactus and Silver Surfer as playing pieces. On the surface, I don't think their value is equal to DD. However, Marvel is exploring the cosmic side of their cinematic universe. <p> With Marvel building to Thanos and the potential Infinity Gauntlet story, Galactus and Silver Surfer could be a part of that storyline. Not as teammates for Thanos (as somebody suggested here) but as potential allies for the Avengers to help fight Thanos. <P> I'd rather have Marvel just ask for the FF rights back. Let them extend DD, who wouldn't be a very interesting addition to the cinematic Marvel universe. Get the FF, and consequently Galactus and the Surfer, rights back. One franchise for another.
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they will get the extension and still eff up the reboot...just as they will eff up the ff reboot they lucked out on xmen...even though it wasnt a very good movie
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Aug. 6, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
Daredevil was probably the first time I said "ok enough of these stupid comic book movies"
by Mel
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The Fantastic Four, to be done properly, needs more than Doc Doom and the Mole Man. The FF has the best rogue gallery in all of Marvel Comics. If anything, they should go to Sony for a FF/Spidey crossover, or go back to Marvel as a whole. Not that any of my wishes are realistic. But FF has serious franchise potential! But not with any comics-based bad guys! Fox must not have a lot invested in the new reboot as a franchise if they're auctioning off all of their greatest enemies. The BEST part of Rise of the Silver Surfer (not that there were many great parts) was Doom f###ing s#!# up on the Surfer's board. That was awesome, I don't care what anybody says. WtH is Marvel going to do with Galactus/Surfer without the FF!?!?
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Marvel planned this for a while. You think its a coincidence they put Silver Surfer's BIGGEST enemy as the secret puppet master in Avengers. Now we can see a Surfer Avengers Team Up. Good going Marvel. Game recognize Game.
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There's just no way. Daredevil isn't Batman or Superman, ageless heroes so beloved we are willing to give them endless chances in the hopes greatness can be achieved. Daredevil is a bullshit character to begin with. Audiences gave him a chance because he was the first superhero film after Spider-Man and we all got our eyes shat in. I don't think I've seen a movie that bad in the theaters since. And Fox's solution is to put the guy that made Sky Captain in charge? The biggest box office bomb of it's year? Is their plan that if you put a total fuck-up director in charge of a completely fucked franchise that somehow they'll cancel each other out? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST
The Devourer of Worlds MUST return to Marvel. In IMAX dammit!
by Trying_It_Again_Part_2
'Nuff said. In the immortal words of Picard, make it so.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
Anytime Marvel can get back the rights of their characters is GREAT news.
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Because Fox sucks ass. The Surfer doesn't necessarily need the FF to have his own film. In fact, his origin was once redone in the comics without the involvement of the FF and worked just fine. Imagine the possibilities. Silver Surfer in the Disney Marvel movie universe could lead to a Defenders film.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
PUT A TIME LIMIT ON THE DAREDEVIL RIGHTS THAT REQUIRES AN EXTENSION FEE
by Nerd Rage
None of that endless-rights-for-active-projects non-sense.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST
Monty : Check out The Goon issue #39. I think you'll appreciate it!
by 3774
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Go!!
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. . . omit the Elektra fight on playground in broad daylight scene? Cause that was so bad it was funny . . .
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I see you know nothing about comic books in the 80's. Learn something about a subject before you talk trash about it. Secret wars was a major "win" for marvel. Calling it out like you did just makes you look dumb to people who actually know about the mini-series and what it did for comics/toys and how much of a payday it was for marvel. You fail at trolling.
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Great character, one of Marvel's best IMHO and I've always liked him since I was a kid. Inherently sympathetic, and somewhat unique in his alt-identity world as an attorney. Unlike most superheroes, Daredevil/Murdock is actually an interesting character. If they get the right actor for Murdock (and, I'm assuming, Kingpin) and get the gritty mien of Hells Kitchen down right (not faux gritty like most comic book movies, but 'real' a la aspects of Nolan's Batman movies) -- plus, most important of all, a good script -- and this could really work.
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been a much better movie without her in it all.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
My regular plea in all Marvel talkbacks. Marvel, please pull your heads out and make a movie from the one property that is a no-brainer (at least to me):
by Brian Hopper
Iron Fist! How -- HOW?! -- is there not an Iron Fist movie yet? Cast it right and get the right director and that movie will kick ASS. What is the hold up? A total no-brainer to me. Get on it, Marvel!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
@kdoc13, Iron Man and Cap "followed Nolan's "real-world" imaging of things"? Say wha-?!
by hank henshaw
Not even close. A Nolan Iron Man would've never gone beyond a Mark I type of technology. Hulk would be a really strong guy with green warpaint. Cap just a guy that bulks up a bit after taking steroids. His uniform would've been all armored, not just the shield. That's not to mention all the Marvel movies had a decidedly different tone.
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What a great cameo that will be for the Guardians of the Galaxy movie! Thanks for being fuckups, Fox! And Sony, fuck you!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
FOX can use the Phoenix Force in their Fantastic Four movie...
by Thanos0145
and give up Galactus and the Silver Surfer to Marvel Studios. FOX can have a giant Phoenix instead of a giant space cloud as the Devourer of Worlds! Its not like FOX cares about the source material. First Class had only one original member on their roster. I hope this happens.
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This is the greatest story ever told...... A herald and his master.... Get the rights back, and give us the most epic movie ever..... shhhhhhiiiiiiiiittttttt........ (says samuel L. jackson) "I am Norrin Radd" Stan "the man" Lee 1969
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST
Trade all the Marvel Knight character movie rights and some cash for the complete Fantastic Four movie rights
by Nerd Rage
Yes Fox would get Blade, Punisher, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist but Marvel would get the Fantastic Four, the Skrulls, Galactus, Silver Surfer and Doctor Doom. It would be totally worth it if Marvel's going to go cosmic and finally do a great Fantastic Four movie with cameos from Avengers.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST
Win either way: Marvel Studios got the rights to Punisher and Blade back ...
by stuckakiddotcom
...right around SDCC. So if DD comes home, do your badass Marvel Knights movie. Blade, Punisher, Daredevil and go ahead and throw in Moon Knight. Or, we get Surfer vs. Thanos. Both sound great to me.
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SDCC 2011 ... not 2012
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Galactus and Silver Surfer were only ever good in the hands of Kirby. These characters only work in comics, with their ridiculous names and silly surfboard. You know they won't have the balls to go full Kirby on them. Every Kirby character brought to the screen has been made smaller, darker, and more human. The FF movie did a mediocre job with the Surfer - and they didn't even try with Galactus. Because there's just no way to do it. Was Odin as impressive as Kirby drew him? Was Cap as action-packed? Was Thor as regal. No. And what is Galactus without the full Kirby treatment? Just a giant man in a dumb suit.
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Daredevil was a crap movie (and a criminal waste of Terence Stamp's screen presence), but damn if it didn't have one really good scene. Top of the morning to ya'!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
very very cool news - marvel go for the whole ball of wax!!!!!
by fat_rancor_keeper
ok maybe not the whole ball. Fox needs to give up SS, Galactus AND FANTASTIC 4. So long as FoX has X-men they can print money from now until fucking doomsday. daredevil, I don't know - he has potential. Whatever. In any case DD & x-men are are an ok fit for Fox. Let them concentrate on that section of the universe. But FF, SS & Galactus - marvel would knock those properties out of the park.....and the potential for Avengers cameos/tie-ins in awesome.
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Millers Daredevil set in the 80's / 70's yeah i i could definitely deal with that. also i never understood the hate for afflecks daredevil. i actually thought it decent enough. honestly, seems like a win win.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
Or maybe it was Elektra that had the pointless Terence Stamp cameo. Mixing up my crap movies.
by HarveyManfrenjenson
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Marvel needs to take aim at getting the rights to Fantastic Four back.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:35 p.m. CST
odkin--Apparently you've never read the Byrne Galactus stories.
by art123guy
But yeah, I don't think Galactus, a giant, purple man, would translate well on screen.
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I don't think Fox can opt to mix and match stuff from the X-Men license and the FF license? At least not without Marvels direct say so. They can intermix stuff within a given property. So X-Men <-> Wolverine <-> New Mutants. And FF <-> Silver Surfer. But X-Men |<->| FF.
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He fits the more urban mold if he were to do a comic film. I could imagine him doing a decent Punisher film because someone, someday (me I wish) will! If he had the sensibility he had with Narc (great film) he might pull it off. I like Carnahan (I love Smokin' Aces even if no one else does) but Christ he dropped the ball with the A-Team. That should been huge! 5 minutes of screentime for the van? Bah. Affleck is a huge Daredevil fan but he wasn't the right fit. I was surprised why back then, it wasn't Matt Damon. At least Jennifer Garner was hot. Otherwise...yeah that Daredevil movie was bad. I welcome another attempt.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
You people are high, Affleck's Daredevil was great and the next one should have Mysterio!
by Punisherthunder
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
Galactus looked perfect in Marvel Alliance for PS2 and Xbox
by Nerd Rage
Go to Google and check out some screenshots.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
Better yet Marvel should take back the rights to Daredevil and pay a lump sum for Fantastic Four
by Nerd Rage
Are you telling me Disney can't afford it? They paid billions for Marvel before Avengers was a sure thing.
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from deadline.com Reports that Fox and Marvel Studios are going to do some horse-trading with its Fantastic Four franchise to keep Daredevil in the fold were being strenuously denied by studio insiders. Deadline revealed during Comic-Con last month that Fox was facing a ticking clock over Daredevil rights, which will revert to Marvel’s new owners at Disney if the reboot doesn’t go into production soon. Those hopes dimmed when David Slade stepped out as director. The new report had Disney willing to extend the rights, but only if Fox lends it the right to use in its own films the villain Galactus, a major baddie from both the Fox-controlled Fantastic Four and The Silver Surfer. Those insiders said that with Josh Trank aboard to direct, Fantastic Four is a big priority and the studio would be crazy to give away a cornerstone villain. Especially when the studio is very lukewarm about rebooting Daredevil, which focuses on blind lawyer Matt Murdock and his emergence as a crime fighter powered by heightened sensory perception. While Joe Carnahan has come to the studio with a take, it sounds like Fox is ready to let it revert to Disney-owned Marvel, unless Disney is interested in co-financing. That is what the current talks are really about, insiders said.
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I'm so confused about who owns which rights and when they expire. Could someone from AINT IT COOL do some damn research and post something about that?
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At the time, Damon and Affleck were still much more closely linked than they are now. How in the world did anybody cast Affleck without immediately thinking Damon would be a better Daredevil?! Although Guy Pearce is still my first choice.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST
nautilus: I would! Sluuuuuuuurp!!! Galactus jism! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
by UltraTron
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST
I bet silver surfer comes in gold.. For the special edition figure! Not for that other stuff you wish you were drinking now.
by UltraTron
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST
What are you going to do with Silver Surfer, Galactus and the Watcher without a supporting tentpole?
by leroyspoboys
As others have said, hold out for the full rights to FF and related characters. Unless they're going for a kind of risky Defenders movie (as monty cristo suggested) . It could work as the public know who the Hulk is and Marvel would have full rights to the Surfer. They'd just have to do Doc Strange and Namor films to build up to it so the mass market got introduced to them properly (cartoon appearances for bothe have been pretty scattered). Fox already gave us the Surfer, so that's a box checked in the public's mind (thanks Fox). Most of the public don't know the difference about who owns what property anyway. But I can't really see Fox letting the Surfer and Galactus go with an FF reboot in the pipeline. Marvel should just take the whole property back. Shame to let Daredevil go, but I don't think any of us are in a hurry for a Daredevil re-boot.
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when I read it 6 hours ago on Badass Digest (who picked it up from Variety).
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
I'd take Secret Wars over everything else from the last 20 years.
by kevred
But that's just because I have limited tolerance for all the self-important, retconned BS that has been the Ultimates and other too-cool-for-school nonsense in recent years. Avengers has set the mold. Fun epics with personality.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
Fox will get Daredevil rolling by the deadline and tell Marvel to fuck themselves.
by bat725
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST
So someone with a screen name of a C-movie model/actress is flaming Thomas Jane?
by kevred
Earth to milla jovovich: fan reaction has been great to the Thomas Jane Punisher short. I enjoyed it too, and would like to see him back in the role, regardless of studio.
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... we could eventually get a MASSIVE MARVEL EVENT like a "Secret Wars" trilogy or something even bigger! It would likely involve X-Men and FF characters, so I'm all for it. I wish they'd just let Marvel have FF straight up.
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I think it's also time for a utlra-violent, adult animation super hero type flick. Step up
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST
So, that ruins my hopes of a Daredevil vs Galactus movie? :(
by marcspector
He could do it. He has a baton.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
Whoops. Maybe that's what Disney doesn't want me to do. Oh well fuck that it's marvel getting Galactus we're talking about. Duuuuuh
by UltraTron
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST
Ok here's what they'll make- Mephisto is always trying to get surfer's soul. Galactus is absorbing hell and it's starting to break up by the end of this baby.
by UltraTron
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST
I wouldn't call disliking a cheap, ridiculous short film "flaming" Thomas Jane...
by milla jovovich
Dude hasn't had a lead in a film in the theaters since 2007, and I don't count Mutant Chronicles because it was barely in theaters. When does the next Resident Evil film come out again? Besides, the wrong fans are the ones enjoying the short film. Ray Stevenson was a way better Punisher.
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Unfortunately, SS and Galactus will be ripped from their main mythos, but I still think it's a good deal in any universe. Maybe as Marvel gains cred and bargaining power, they will be able to wrest control of FF back from Fox as well... it would fit their current cosmic bent. Leave X-Men to their own stories, and Spidey.. well, just let the current owners fuck that immensely recognizable property up. Shame Marvel will always be cost-cutters... but, creatively, their strategy has paid off lately. Let them sit pretty and deliver massive fan favorites while the mega-studios consistently dig themselves budget holes!
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Aug. 6, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST
If you're doing Miller's DD, doesn't it kind of have to be set in the 70s?
by FastEddie8139
His run on DD emphasized the crime and poverty of Hell's Kitchen so much, and today Hell's Kitchen is a posh residential neighborhood for famous celebrities. I don't think you can tell that story without setting it at a time when the neighborhood was run down.
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Some talkbacker, bless his soul, said that they looked ridiculous. Wrong. Used at the right time, they kicked ass. The scene where he walks out of the opera house in Germany after ripping that guy's eyeball out and his costume faded in... totally fit his megalomaniac, showman persona. And cummon... any fan of the comics thinks of Loki's horns. Makes sense he would use the costume when he's trying to intimidate/show off! God, what time is it? I am a geek and I've spent my life wonderfully. No regrets.
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You are wrong.
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Marvel has got to get Galactus and the Silver Surfer back. It would be cool to get Daredevil too, but The Big 'G' and the Surfer would be excellent. An earlier poster mentioned having studios like Fox having to renew their license fees with Marvel, and while I think that that's a great idea it would depend upon the original contract (and how ironclad it is, or isn't). And the last I heard the rights to Namor, the Sub-Mariner (hopefully with a variant of his black costume, minus the underarm wings) were owned by Universal, but I also heard that quite a few years ago, so assuming it to be the case the rights may have already reverted back to Marvel (if they had the same deal as Fox).
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If this site is to be trusted then this deal is over. http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/fox-insiders-no-galactus-talks-with-marvel/ Marvel will get Dare Devil back soon.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
if you dont want your punisher to say a word and kill people in the most rediculous ways...stevenson was brilliant
by walt
basically a throwback to 90s action flicks and thats fine...but you get one or two movies and thats it
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Aug. 6, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST
The Punisher sucks in a solo movie. He should only make cameos
by Cobb05
I've never read a Punisher comic. I just never had interest in him. And I've seen all three Punisher movies. To me, a Punisher movie just isn't exciting. He's just a vigilante. There's nothing to sepperate him from any oher action movie, other than the skull on his shirt. But, I do think he would work well in a smaller, cameo, supporting role. Like maybe set him up in the Daredevil movie. And in the sequel, you can have the Punisher show up and he's handing out his brand of justice and Daredevil has to stop him. But you have Kingpin bring in Bullseye to kill both of them, so they have to work together. To me, that wouod be way cooler than just a regular Punisher movie where he just kills people and blows shit up.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST
If the deal is dead, Marvel can negotiate with the creator of MINORITEAM...
by MCVamp
...to bring Michael Clarke Duncan aboard as...BALACTUS.
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The Punisher has had more theatrical movies than any other super heroes except Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, the X-Men, and Blade (and Blade don't count.) How is that warranted? Because the budgets can be lower? He's boring. Any Punisher movie is just a somewhat outlandish Charles Bronson movie, but without Charles Bronson. Square him off against Captain America, Daredevil, or mix him in somewhere, but as far as solo flicks, enough is enough.
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So, from that Deadline article, does FOX want Disney to co-finance Daredevil for them in order to get use of Galactus and the Silver Surfer?
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I can see a bit of a rehash of THE PUNISHER. The recent short film with Thomas Jane was fantastic. So, how could a PUNISHER film be updated to actually be enticing to the general public? Well, for one, PUNISHER can be everything that BATMAN was not. He can -- and is -- the bad guy. The Punisher can -- and will -- do what general citizens, cops, victims and judges wish they could. He can be a REAL vigilante and inflict rough justice on evildoers. So, how do you make that enticing? You go all Bruce Wayne with him. He already has a good motive. He already has skills. Now, you just give the guy body armor, a larger cache of weapons, some 21st Century detective skills (after all, he was a detective) and a place to hide. With this, the Punisher can become the REAL LIFE dark knight and inflict terror in the hearts of rapists, murderers, gangs, drug dealers and even petty thieves. I actually liked Thomas Jane as the Punisher. I just hated the direction, story and lighthearted and non-epic way the studio approached the film. John Travolta as a mafia villain with the baddie from THE POSTMAN as his gay henchman? That was pretty dumb. I suggest that the studio gives the film to someone who has the vision to turn THE PUNISHER into something Frank Miller-like that Batman purists can only dream of.
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especially one with limited marketing prospects disney/marvel has another 5 year plan already in place they are gonna wait out fox and watch them fall flat on their faces you know that fox is gonna eff up xmen after the next sequel disney/marvel will be cranking shit out for the next quarter century
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...you have to make the film more "epic" in the DARK KNIGHT sense of the word. "Epic" doesn't mean that it has to be expensive to film. It simply has to have a real bad guy who is more dangerous than a gang or mafia leader. You need someone who wants to inflict terror on others. You need someone who incites fear in regular people...who will then cry out for a vigilante to protect them. This would be more Frank Miller and Alan Moore like with a deep thinking, conflicted vigilante. Frank Castle has lacked that conflict in every film. He seems too distant. This film needs to be gritty...yet epic. He needs to look like he has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST
did someone say this was "cooler news" when they read it on "badass digest"?
by yourSTEPDADDY
is it april fools day? because there isnt any cool about that site, that douchebag who runs it, or anyone who even types that site address into their browser if he said /slashfilm, i would totally agree... but badass digest? ps: how can a site called badass digest be so... nonbadass? oh i know, because its run by the most unbadassed person ever to be a douchebag behind a monitor
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You've never read a Punisher comic. That tells me all I need to know right there. Read any of Garth Ennis' amazing run in the early 2000s and tell me that Frank Castle is a boring character, or that great stories can't be told around him. A worthwhile crime saga Punisher has yet to be made.
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honestly, Daredevil doesn't work that great with the Marvel universe. He's a solo guy who's on his own adventures. He's never been part of a team. Whereas Galactus and Silver Surfer could fit in well with the cosmic universe Marvel movies are creating. But if it reverts to Marvel, I say make it a tv series, make it a crime series with all the legal stuff surrounding Matt Murdoch. Maybe have Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, and Danny Rand as supporting characters, along with Foggy Nelson.
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RDJ riffing on Galactus wardrobe as he chews on Stark tower should be enough to usurp James Cameron from his box-office throne of money. Throw in an awkward dejavu moment between the Surfer and Chris Evans Cap/flame-on and you might appease even the staunchest basement-dwelling fanboys. Then again, I'd pay money just to watch someone assassinate Tom Rothman and Rupert Murdoch. But thats just me.
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Assassinate two REAL people? Seriously? Don't you think that such a desire is a little...extreme and mentally deranged? You don't have to agree with their politics or decisions. I think that Obama is an arrogant prick who has no idea about what he is doing to this country. However, I would never advocate harming the smug and incompetent asshole. As for Galactus... The problem with GALACTUS is that of defeating an enemy that is virtually invincible. Yes, it will end with Galactus being either "satisfied" or "restrained" and ultimately "changing his mind." However, how do you follow up with that? I guess that you have to make an even greater threat and, perhaps, have Galactus actually work on behalf of the Avengers? I think that Galactus could only work for a final AVENGERS film.
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Aug. 6, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST
Reminds me of Disney trading a sports announcer for Oswald the Lucky Rabbit
by illegal alien vs sexual predator
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THEN IRON MAN, CAPTAIN, BLACK WIDOW ETC.
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...any man who says different, sucks cock by choice!
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Aug. 7, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST
Looks like someone at Marvel loves their Galactic properties as much as I do....
by GoDFaDDa42
Bring on Annihilation! That was the series that got me back into comic books.
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I used to feel the same way you do about modern comics, and I agree with you about the Ultimates. Go pick up the Annihilation series, from a few years back. Best art and story I've seen in a long time, and very friendly to newbies (especially the novel presentation - they added explanatory pages between issues but only *after* the characters were properly introduced in the story).
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it wasn't all bad, but it wasn't all good. rock soundtrack bad casting.. plot and fucking coolio! It looks really dated, bizarre considering its less than 9 years old.
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No I'm serious. The Director's Cut of that movie was pretty fucking great. Not sure the director of the A Team is a big step up or not...
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Aug. 7, 2012, 3:12 a.m. CST
Fox? LOL. They wouldn't know a good script if it crawled up their a$$ and died.
by Red
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Aug. 7, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST
**UPDATE** Fox said they'd be crazy to trade SS and Galactus for Dardevil.
by ganymede3010
http://www.deadline.com/2012/08/fox-insiders-no-galactus-talks-with-marvel/
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Aug. 7, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST
Hope Marvel learns from this and never deals with FUX again
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
Let DD come back home and have him fight with/against Punisher. Then have them both join in on the Thanos ass kicking (if Black Widow can, they can).
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Aug. 7, 2012, 4:56 a.m. CST
Yep, DD was cool film, better wth extended cut too, but probably not a good fanboy type of comic film
by even9
Cause they ain't makin a direct sequel....boo hoo. Daredevil the film had more of a out of school teen romance/adventure vibe about it i guess, even though it's fight scenes had a stylish doco noir grittiness about them. At least it's got a directors/extended cut. Why oh why didn't they do a sequel to that film to wrap up it's what ifs rather than an elektra spin off???
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Electra in 2005 was, Businesswise iirc Daredevil did very well, so well in fact that it spawned the valentines day superhero movie release window. As for the film itself there was nothing wrong with it. Sure Farrel's bullseye was a bit over the top, but so what? I was always somewhat sad we never saw a DD2 from the Affleck universe...
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Stick it to Disney, Fox! I'm Team DC!
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They can do Annihilation in the MCU movies, but that would require Annihilus as well as well as the Negative Zone. Isn't he part of the Fantastic Four rights?
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I'll chip in if they stop making bad Ghost Rider movies.
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Assuming that's why Marvel did it, it's a great addition to that franchise. Like someone said earlier, Annihilation could be on the table. Fox probably owns Annihulus, but he's replaceable.
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Silver Surfer, Quasar, Beta Ray Bill, Ronan, Gladiator. I'd pay good money for it.
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'03 Daredevil was an atrocity on almost every level. Nothing about that film worked. It's just this awkwardly cast, stupidly scripted, generic feeling mid 00's superhero movie, complete with obnoxious Nu Metal soundtrack. The Director's Cut isn't an improvement, either. Unless of course you think a few extra minutes worth of courtroom scenes featuring Coolio and the most implausible interrogation in history really added to the plot. [/chortle] I'm not one of those fans who feels the need to see his favorite comic book character on the big screen. I'm perfectly happy with reading Daredevil, especially now with Mark Waid's amazing run currently in full swing. If one is to be made, though, I want it done the right way. Fox scrambling to put a production together before they lose the rights to the character isn't the right way. Here's to hoping Marvel gets the rights back in October. Oh, and screw all the, "Every Marvel movie franchise has to tie into the others" talk. Part of what hurts comic book sales is the seemingly impenetrable continuity that exists in these universes. Thor was essentially a two hour long Avengers commercial, and Iron Man 2 was completely dragged down by Marvel's insistence on cramming in as many tie in elements as they possibly could. We really don't need more of that as an audience. Just make some good movies, dammit.
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Aug. 7, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
Silver Surfer Is One Of My Favorite Marvel Characters, But Moviewise Daredevil Is A Better Choice
by Buzz Maverik
Daredevil is better known. As many like the Ben Affleck movie as dislike it and DD is easier for more people to relate to in a solo flick (and really, why throw away a potential franchise for supporting characters, that's something the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy would do). I didn't hate the DAREDEVIL movie but I didn't like it much. I actually like Affleck a lot as an actor and feel he would have made a great Bullseye. And I like Garner even more than I like Affleck. Whenever I see JG in a movie, I say, "Why can't she be in every movie?" Except she shouldn't have been Elektra. She had the physical presence but her personality and beauty were too much all-American girl. Elektra, frankly, should have had a hot Euro-trash quality tempered with ninja lethalness. And Kingpin pretty much derailed Michael Clark Duncan's promising career, and I was stupid enough to suggest him for the role here in the talkbacks (in my defense and the defense of people casting him, other talkbackers were suggesting Marlon Brando who was about 80 at the time like we really want to see DD beating the crap out of his grandpa). Somebody, director or studio, didn't know what tone to take. We had DD losing teeth and sleeping in a sensory deprivation tank, but then DD and Elektra on the playground . Most of the action was poorly done, with some exceptions. Worst of all, Marvel at the time, both in comics and movies, seemed to be embarrassed about their characters being superheroes and villains. Bullseye should have been in some sort of costume (didn't have to be the one in the comics), etc. For awhile, they didn't even want DD in costume. He was going to be an extreme athlete in a red hoodie. I'm glad that got tossed. The Miller material has to be handled carefully. What's dark and serious in a comic book is laughable on screen (we all saw THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, right). I really hope they work in Elektra, the Kingpin and the Hand. While comic book movies have to take themselves seriously (you don't want BATMAN & ROBIN) at a certain point you want to tell Bruce Wayne to give it a rest. Or Matt Murdock. Oddly, in the DD movie, the Stan Lee/Bill Everett/Gene Colan stuff worked better than Miller. DD and the FF need relaunches. I hope Marvel gets all their characters back. They've been doing a great job with movies, of course. I'd see a GUARDIANS O' THE GALAXY movie, but I'm not sure who else would. I'd go with DR. STRANGE, SUB-MARINER, BLACK PANTHER, POWER MAN & IRON FIST, SHIELD, and an ANT MAN/GIANT MAN & THE WASP flicks first
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It would be great if this happened, The Silver Surfer most definitely belongs in the gnarly and cosmic MCU. However, I agree that Fox would indeed have to be crazy as Rupert to give up The Surfer and Galactus to save their Daredevil retread as they ramp up their Fantastic Four re-booty, or whatever all this granfalloonery is all on about. <br> Honestly, I really don't give a flying fuck at the moon which studio has the rights to The Surfer or which super-hero team-up movies he ends up appearing in. I just want a Silver Surfer movie (please hold the "Rises"). Introducing The Surfer as a "villain" in Tim Story's crackpot FF2 was a huge mistake. SS is, hands-down, one of the best comic book characters ever, and he and his maker Galactus deserve their own stand-alone origin story, done right. <br> Let's compare origins, and you tell me which has more epic cinematic potential: <br>The Silver Surfer: Humanoid alien astronomer who dreams of traveling in space sacrifices everything including his soul to save his planet and one true love from the most awesome force of nature in the Universe: Galactus aka "The Devourer of Worlds." Reborn with The Power Cosmic as Galactus' herald, The Surfer assists The Big G in his genocidal appetites, until his memories and soul are reignited while preparing Earth for annihilation. <br>Daredevil: As a kid, a drum of radioactive waste falls off a truck onto his head- he grows up to be a blind acrobatic lawyer who cudgels bad-guys.
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Aug. 8, 2012, 5:09 a.m. CST
First I prefer DD to Galanus and SS, Second ask Dr. Doom instead
by chien_sale
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Silver Eunuch does nothing for me.
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The script wasn't bad, it was the execution. Bad fight scenes, bad visual effects, horrible pop/rap/nu-metal soundtrack, awful Elektra, dorky "suit-up" montages, and that Gimp-esque leather-fetish Daredevil outfit.
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Was Michael Clarke Duncan's screaming while strangling the stool-pigeon....and his resulting implied orgasm and towel request.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
I'd probably rather see Affleck direct himself in Daredevil 2, than Affleck on Justice League...
by ThulsaBoom
...not an Affleck/DD apologist, but it would be a better fit.
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Aug. 9, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST
And, I would rather have Daredevil back than SS and Galactus...
by ThulsaBoom
...they are doing a great job of ramping up the 'cosmic' universe, I'd like to see what's going on in the streets. Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Daredevil, and the like.
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