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2012's DOCTOR WHO Christmas Special Cast Revealed!!


Richard E. Grant, who I always thought would be a highly respectable (full-on TV) Doctor in his own right, will join Tom Ward in this year's DOCTOR WHO Christmas Special.  Which, if tradition holds, should air this year on December 25.  

I'm not sure what it says about me that, out of all the amazing work Grant has brought to us over the years, I chiefly remember him for his role in THE LITTLE VAMPIRE (2000) - but there you have it.  Grant is no stranger to WHO, though. He's voiced the Doctor in animation called Scream of Shalka, and previously appeared in the Steven Moffat scripted DW adventure Curse of the Fatal Death for Comic Relief.  

In a further bit of interesting symmetry, Grant also played Mycroft Holmes in a 2002 TV adaptation of SHERLOCK HOLMES.  DW overlord Steven Moffat (who wrote Curse of the Fatal Death, mentioned above) is currently realizing BBC's breathtakingly modernized (and unrelated) SHERLOCK series - recently nominated for an insane number of Emmys, all richly deserved.  

Tom Ward may be best known to audiences for roles in TV's MIDSOMER MURDERS and SILENT WITNESS, as well as his appearance in Phillip Kaufman's feature film QUILLS. 

The 2012 Christmas Special - whose actual title remains unknown - will introduce Jenna-Louise Coleman's character to the show.  She'll go on to become the new Companion to Matt Smith's Doctor.  

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Glen Oliver




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  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST

    don't know either of them.

    by saintsaucey

    Watching that clip though...they should do a christmas special where the doctor teams up with james bond amd harry potter. Not together nessicarily

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who Christmas!

    by Elsewhere

    It's going to be sad whenever the first year happens without a new Who special on Christmas. It's going to happen, and I know that it's only been a handful of years that it's been going on, but it's one of our favorite things about Christmas. I hope the new companion can fill the shoes of Pond.

  • I thought the Michael Gambon scrooge one was pretty wonderful, and I think 'the next doctor' is pretty solid also (though on first viewing it was kind of ruined by just wanting to find out if he was in fact the 11th doctor or not) Not sure if The Unquiet Dead counts as an xmas special, or just a regular episode that happens to take place at xmas but I quite like that one to. But otherwise: The doctor, The Widow & the wardrobe + runaway bride = the christmas invasion + the end of time are easily my least favorite episodes of New-Who Also that sontaran 2parter from series 4. But to be fair, I'm a bit of a scrooge myself and don't really like xmas in general.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:36 a.m. CST

    some good, some bad

    by ByTor

    I've enjoyed some of the Christmas specials, but not all of them. I actually found Christmas Invasion, Runaway Bride, and Voyage of the Damned to be enjoyable (if a bit more fluff than substance). Did not like The Next Doctor at all, other than David Morrissey. Loved End of Time a LOT. So far I have not liked either of Moffat's. A Christmas Carol just didn't seem like Doctor Who at all to me, and the latest one was just a mess. I am hoping this one gels a bit better. I don't expect the Christmas special to be a top-line story, just fun and coherent.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST

    obviously they're shooting these WILDLY out of order

    by TheSeeker7

    Because didn't we already have our first official on set snapshot of JLC with Matt Smith like some 2-3 months ago? and if yet if they're only just now adding more cast to the Christmas episode (& that's the first one that AIRS with her on the team) they can't have started shooting it yet.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    good point, rebel scumb

    by TheSeeker7

    I thought A Christmas Carol was probably the best Christmas show of new-Who era, yet last year's "Wardrobe" take, was not only the worst Christmas episode, it was probably among the top 5 worst/most boring episodes of the entire rebooted DW run. god did it suck.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST

    The end of time

    by tomdolan04

    was redeemed only by Tenants final visting of friends and subsequent soaring regeneration. Some say self indulgent but emotional it hit my buttons and was better than anything done by the shitty master-race plot or Timothy 'just here for the money, what the fuck is this dialogue' Dalton.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    theseeker7 - yes, they're shooting out of order

    by DoctorTom

    the Christmas Special is being shot out of order. It was supposed to have filmed earlier, but Moffat didn't have the script written for that one. They filmed later stories instead and are now coming back to the Christmas Special. Remember when we had British tabloids and people on the internet trying to claim that they were only going to film the first five episodes of the season this year? The filming of the later episodes proves them wrong. Since they're trying to keep the title of the Christmas Special quiet (they blacked out the title on the picture of the script), I think it's time for us to start guessing what it is. I think it will be a variant on It's a Wonderful Life (if that's not the exact title). If this is actually going to be an It's a Wonderful Live riff this year, I'm really hoping they do a nod to an old Nick Courtney line and make the title They're Wonderful Lives, All Of Them.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST

    The end of time

    by DoctorTom

    I'm willing to overlook some of the silliness (the Master ready to appear in a Master vs. Capcom 3 video game, complete with anime leap and energy blasts that Time Lords don't really seem surprised to see him manifesting) not only because of the "victory lap" the Doctor takes, but because of Bernard Cribbins. He had an incredible performance (as usual) and the scene between him and the Doctor about getting old and approaching death worked because of the performances.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Hudson Hawk

    by Mr_P

    You must surely remember Richard E. Grant in Hudson Hawk - which I thought was quite entertaining but think it was just Bruce Willis turn to take a kicking from the critics.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    We've gone on holiday by mistake.Are you the farmer?

    by BuckminsterOhare

    For Richard E. Grant greatness see Withnail and I.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Merrick watch Withnail & I and demand to have some booze

    by JohnWayneWasGay

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Scarlet Pimpernel

    by Bunnie

    Loved Richard E Grant in that too!

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    While DoctorWidowWardrobe was a waste, I'm torn by End of Time

    by tangcameo

    While The Doctor and The Master become allies at the very last minute was cool, you kind of want to tap The Doctor on the shoulder and say "You do know he ate two human beings in a chip van? Like right down to the bones?" They seemed to have overlooked that by the second half. But when it comes to the final goodbyes and The Doctor gives Donna's mom the one quid lottery ticket and tells her he bummed the quid off the late great Donna's Dad, I get weepy. Crap I'm getting weepy NOW. There are two people who were in my life at one point who meant SO much but who aren't on this earth now that make me wish The Doctor was real and could do something like that for them. Not a lottery ticket, but a glimpse of the future to see they haven't been forgotten and, in fact, have been a major influence if not an inspiration. Or a little farther into the future, to see their little one's little ones all grown up.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST

    My guess at the title: "You'll Shoot Your Eyestalk Out!"

    by tangcameo

    Or it'll go all meta and do a christmas special INSIDE a christmas special.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST

    People don't know who Richard E Grant is now? Jesus Christ...

    by Stegman84

    That just kind of amazes me to be honest. Withnail & I, Warlock, How to Get Ahead in Advertising, The Player, Hudson Hawke, Bram Stoker's Dracula, The Age of Innocense, Dennis Potter's Karaoke and Cold Lazarus, Henry & June, In The Cold Light of Day, Mountains of the Moon. Plus, of course, there was an appearance as one of the Doctor's incarnations in The Curse of the Fatal Death, as well as playing The Doctor again in the animated Scream of the Shalka. Then again maybe it's not so surprising when, despite working constantly, he hasn't exactly been appearing in leads of quality work during the last decade or so. Outside of smaller supporting roles in the likes of Gosford Park, Bright Young Things, The Iron Lady, and Corpse Bride, he can just as regularly be seen in utter pap like The Nutcracker and Garfield 2. I blame that horrible Spice Girls movie. Really Richard, no amount of money should have been enough to appear in that. Still, hopefully it's a good Christmas special, and a good role. And he'd actually make for an interesting Master. You know, just saying...

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 12:06 p.m. CST

    "The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe" was FANTASTIC

    by FeralAngel

    The Dr. Who geeks at my place of employment went ape over it. Me, I liked it because I like good television. And that was damn good television.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST

    For those Americans who watch PBS he's the guy from Posh Nosh

    by tangcameo

    Yes, the drunken husband.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by Klytus_I.m_Bored

    Bring in McGann for this as the 8th Doctor and revel in the meta-awesome.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST

    The End of Time and The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe

    by Elsewhere

    How could anyone dislike the end of time? Yeah, maybe it's not perfect, but those last twenty minutes with Tennant as Ten are perhaps my vote for saddest twenty minutes of television. God, everything from when Gallifrey and the Time Lords getting sealed away is gold (perhaps except for Martha and Mickey getting married. We couldn't have seen seperate little happy moments for them or have Mickey with Rose and her Mom for a moment? Martha deserved better.) Tennant celebrating his still alive-ness then hearing the knocks and his speech after. A-mazing. The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe has a fantastic title that really had me rooting for the episode, but yeah, overall, it's not very good. I dig the first 30 minutes or so, and the sonic not working on the kinda bad guys because he finally came up against a nemesis made wood was pretty great. The last time Moffatt introduced a companion was 11th Hour, perhaps my very favorite episode. So I have faith.

  • SPOILER------------------------------------- aka "The Bastard Baskerville." END SPOILER________________________ His Scarlet Pimpernel movies were very good. He was also in LA Story as the rival to Steve Martin for the hand of Victoria Tennent. Glad to see he gets to work with The Moff again.------later------m

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Scream of Shalka wasnt an audio it was a cartoon

    by Daniel

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I agree those final moments with all the previous companions is a high point, and always gets an emotional reaction from me Donna's grandfather, and some of the timothy dalton stuff is pretty good also, but overall kind of a mess I realized I forgot to include voyage of the damned in my list. While not as bad as my 'worst of' list, I overall am not a big fan of that one either although I thought Kylie Minogue made for a pretty great companion

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Presumably the point of the "It's A Wonderful Life" story...

    by TheSeeker7

    Heading into next year being the big 50th, it would allow a natural story narrative for the Doctor to look over his own life's past, thereby opening the door for all the still living actors who played The Doctor to appear again?

  • Look, I love watching Who as much as the next person, but part of the show's charm are the convoluted, ridiculous, sometimes illogical scripts. The incredible thing is how often they manage to actually pull it off.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST

    if they do do a riff on it's a wonderful life...

    by notspock2

    Could they do an alternate present where Richard e.Grant is the doctor. PLEASE?

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    According to Russell T. Davies ...

    by berserkrl

    it was Grant's phoned-in (phoneboxed-in?) performance in Shalka that guaranteed he would not be cast in the live-action version.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST

    hudson hawk

    by tomdolan04

    Was awesome. That is all.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Richard E. Grant's "With Nails"

    by A_Banned_Apart

    I really urge you all to give this book a read if you're not familiar with it. A published version of Grant's diaries whilst working on various films. Regardless of whether you love or hate "Hudson Hawk", his chapter on that film alone is worth the price of admission.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Every time an Ood sings, a Weeping Angel gets its wings.

    by Captain Howdy

    Give the Doctor the George Bailey role, and have something/somebody show a particularly battle-weary Time Lord what would have happened if he hadn't interfered in a certain individual's life, or meddled with a fledgling planet's evolution, or intervened in an age old war. Where the endgame is not about saving a good man's life, but about stripping his remaining lives away. In related news: Richard E. Grant! Nice one.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Stegman: Not everyone here is British. Richard E Grant is not a household name over here, or even close. Mawazi: We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO Who is at its best when it's not at all a mess. Whether it's the classic series (e.g. Genesis of the Daleks) or the new (e.g. Midnight), there's nothing better than a well-scripted Doctor Who story.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Surely we can all agree...

    by dj_bollocks

    The Cybermen Christmas episode was the worst ever... Interesting snippet from the Sun's coverage... "The new series of Doctor Who launches later this month, with five episodes airing before the festive special. It will be followed by a further eight instalments next year."

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    I completely agree, I think the camp and illogic is a giant part of the appeal of Dr. Who, I just don't find the episodes I mentioned to be particularly enjoyable to watch.

  • when the dalek shot him but then still have the human tennant come out of the hand, that way the finale to the RTD years could also have had the 10th and 11th doctor teamed up and having human tennant go off with Rose at the end would feel more like the 'real' tennant went with her, because the 'real' doctor was already matt smith by that point, a doctor who Rose didn't have any history with. Then just skip the specials all together and go right into Series 5 The Specials were alright, but nothing about them really stands out in my book, and they feel very anticlimatic compared to the epicness of the Series 4 finale + the absolutely devastating conclusion to Donna Noble's arc, which reduces me to tears every time.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST

    dj_bollocks - surely we can't

    by DoctorTom

    I preferred The Next Doctor to The Doctor, the Witch and The Wardrobe. For that matter, I think I prefer it to The Runaway Brider or maybe even Voyage of the Damned. To me, TDTW&TW has been the weakest of the Christmas specials. It was like a souffle, where someone made a noise while it was baking and it went all flat on us. There are some good parts, but it was less than the sum of its parts. Interesting to hear the "later this month" bit from the Sun. Now we'll have to see if it's true.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Rebel Scumb - what could have been more interesting

    by DoctorTom

    is to use an idea RTD had for the comic in Doctor Who Magazine for the end of the 8th Doctor - have a story (or in this case stories) where the Doctor's in mid-transformation. Having him run through all the specials after that bathed in light and not completely making out his face (or what has been referred to as looking like Dormammu) might have made things slightly different. Then, let him finish the transformation at the end of the specials as normal. It would have been an interesting variant on The Watcher bit they did with Tom Baker.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Oh dear

    by Mr Lucas

    Grant is a terrible ham. Both he and Ward are snooty tossers whoo belong in second-rate TV shows. The Xmas Who shows are always cheesefests anyway, so I'm not too bothered about either of these 'talents' ruining it.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Wasn't Turn Left basically the DW It's A Wonderful Life?

    by tangcameo

    Just not a self-aware version. But with Rose Tyler in place of an angel (although not much different).

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Tang's got it right. We don't need another.

    by Elsewhere

    and It's a wonderful life isn't a classic, it's not really very good. The only reason it was watched so much was that the copyright expired and so all the tv channels could play it for free and companies could make tapes of it for free. Big actor, big director, for free, equals tons of play time. It got played so much people just kinda assumed it was a classic, and here we are today.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Agreed on IAWL

    by ByTor

    I was never a fan of It's a Wonderful Life. (Loved Turn Left though.) I'm not sold on Moffat's Xmas approach, as I mentioned above, and would rather he just write a decent adventure that just happens to take place at Christmastime.

  • angel in IAWL - Clarence new companion - Clara It is a Christmas classic, and it seems like Moff wants to riff off of Christmas classics now. Personally I'd like to see Clara triple dog dare the Doctor to stick his tongue to an icy lightpost. It could also use a flaahforward to the 40th century to show the Doctor as Santa, and a young Jack Harkness asking for the 40th century equivalent of a Red Ryder BB Gun, with the Doctor telling him "you'll shoot your eye out, kid".

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Actually, now that I think about it

    by DoctorTom

    a Captain Jack Christmas special might not be a bad thing, and you could include the Doctor in it. I don't know if the contract with Starz would allow it now, though.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST

    doctortom - i think you and i have reversed the polarity...

    by dj_bollocks

    If I didn't see Captain Jack again it would still be too soon !

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST

    doctortom - starz

    by ByTor

    I am pretty sure the BBC still owns the character of Captain Jack, not Starz. Starz just has the rights to Miracle Day (for now).

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST

    "It's a Wonderul Regeneration"?

    by FuzzyLumpkins

    Btw, if you haven't seen "Curse of the Fatal Death" it is flat-out hilarious.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST

    What date does doctor who start? It just says fall 2012

    by mistergreen

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST

    doctortom, good summation of tD,tW&tW

    by Rebel Scumb

    It's also the only Matt Smith story where I understood why people who dislike him find him annoying. It felt more like a bad parody of the 11th doctor than the real deal

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST

    thegunsliner, I agree about 'Its a wonderful life'

    by Rebel Scumb

    I only saw it for the first time 2 years ago and was shocked by how little there is to it the whole alternate version of life is only a small portion of the movie itself. And you're right about the rights, I remember one year the phone company sent a vhs tape of that movie to everyone of their subscribers in christmas for free just for being members (in the early 1990s)

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST

    bytor - EXACTLY!

    by Rebel Scumb

    Why not just make a 60min special event story, something epic and different, but does not need to be christmas centric It feels even weirder this year because of the screwed up scheduling so now the xmas ep is mid season So the series 7 box set will have TWO xmas specials on it.

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Bunny --- BALL BALL

    by jimbojones123

  • Aug. 6, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    the gunsliner03 and rebel scumb

    by John Brown

    Yeah, I hate it when a mediocre film like IAWL gets 5 Oscar nominations, including Best Picture. I hate it more when the American Film Institute ranks it in the top 20 on many of its lists. What are these people thinking? And don't get me started on the Library of Congress including it in the National Film Registry. Yes, it's true that it was the expiration of the copyright that brought it to the public and reignited interest in the film, but that's not the only reason it's recognized as a good film.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST


    by Balkin Flabgurter

    Watching dr who <3 dr..who??<3 loving who right now.. dr #10<33 looooove dr.who<3 GO MY CHILDREN, GO FOURTH AND SPREAD THY SEED

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:44 a.m. CST

    bytor, you're right, not everyone here is British...

    by Stegman84

    Including me!

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST

    *and yet I still know who Richard E Grant is...

    by Stegman84

    And have known this even going back as far as the dark ages (Pre-Internet). (Not particularly) amazing, eh?

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    No disrepect meant at all, obviously millions of people love that movie, it's just that when I finally saw it it just didn't really strike a cord with me. But like I said, christmas isn't really my thing anyways

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 4:54 a.m. CST

    I'm not british either, but know who Grant is to

    by Rebel Scumb

    he's been in tons of stuff

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Maybe just maybe (we can hope)

    by HornOrSilk

    Christmas Special creates a character who will return in a multi-Doctor story with Paul McGann. That would be beyond coolness. Richard E Grant, Paul McGann, Matt Smith all team up to overcome the menace of... Adric.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST


    by ByTor

    No date announced for Doctor Who yet. Current thinking is September 1. Stegman: Fair enough, but you have to acknowledge he's not a well-known name in the US. Sure, some folks here might know him from Curse of Fatal Death or Withnail and I, but it's hardly unusual (IMO) for folks on this side of the pond to be unaware of him.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Somehow I just don't see it happening, hornorsilk

    by DoctorTom

    The reappearance of Adric and his hard-on, er, HADRON web (from Castrovalva) probably isn't something to inflict on an innocent public at Christmastime. Of course, if we get a story with the title The Many Deaths of Adric, that might change things.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST

    although, horn, it could be worse

    by DoctorTom

    casting Matthew Waterhouse as the Master would allow for a series of inappropriate jokes in the story, plus you get the bonus of watching the actor have his character die a second time. Maybe they could have Frankie Boyle play the Master after that - it would certainly be a different take, though it might mean Doctor Who has to move to a post-watershed timeslot.

  • You ask for miracles. Theo, I give you UNIT.

  • you know you want to see this become a headline for the news, even though we know a follow up mission will just end up letting Sutekh loose and dooming us all.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Goddamn, Pyramids of Mars was outstanding. Just watched it a week ago as part of my watch-through project (currently I'm about to start Talons). Sutekh was creepy as hell, too.

  • Gabriel Woolf did a great parody for the "Pyramids" DVD called "Oh Mummy"! Best line is Sutekh and his pet bunny - "Neil...Neil before the might of Sutekh!!!"

  • I'm not trying to be a spelling Nazi, but the line is actually "Kneel" before the might of Sutekh. I started laughing when I read your post because I had a mental image of Neil from The Young Ones suddenly popping up right in front of Sutekh, and Nigel Planer going "wow, that's heavy man, an Egyptian deity." Followed by Adrian popping in and trying to headbutt Sutekh.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    But that does remind me

    by DoctorTom

    they need to cast Rik Mayall and Adrian Edmondson in Doctor Who episodes. The rest of the regular cast of the Young Ones have made appearances.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST

    That's not Richard E. Grant...

    by yrimpossible The Curse of The Fatal Death. It's Rowan Atkinson. Call yourself geeks? I spit at thee! Richard E. Grant was in Withnail & I, which is truly awesome. Rowan Atkinson was in Johnny English, which wasn't. However he was awesome in Blackadder and Mr. Bean. Toodles.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Oh wait...

    by yrimpossible

    I watched the whole thing. Richard E. Grant is the regenerated version of The Doctor.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Doctor In Distress - let's all answer his SOS

    by Perigee

    Doctor In Distress - bring him back now we won't take less 18 months is too long to wait...

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Be careful, perigee

    by ByTor

    The last time someone tried that, we got stuck with a terrible, terrible season.

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Who lives outside "the local time bubble"?

    by veteran_of_mu

    in TWORS, why was the Doctor angry with River? Who lives outside "the local time bubble"? How could the Doctor be "embarrassed"? There are questions about TWORS we've never discussed ... is all of S6&7 happening inside CAL?

  • David Tennant WILL be in the Doctor Who 50th Anniversary Special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Or, one of the many Specials that may happen next year.) YES, THANK YOU, JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now, if we can get Paul McGann to appear in it, life, as we know it, would be perfect!!!!! (Let's not mention the guy who's first name starts with a "C" and last name starts with an "E", he reduced to a "maybe" on returning to Who, but, I don't see it happening.) Oh, and, once again, THANK YOU, JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 7, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Just saw Death to the Daleks, thought it was AWESOME

    by Rebel Scumb

    Not sure if that's the popular consensus, I know my Who tastes conflict with the majority a lot of the time, but I thought this one had so many great things going for it.

  • I always assumed all this E-space stuff would be some sort of 'there's no way she can ever come back' type resolution, but since nothing was explained about any of it, they could just have an episode where Matt Smith stumbles into E-space again. Lalla still looks fantastic, and you could regenerate her into a a new Romana III, which would be cool, because we've never had a regeneration go from a classic era timelord to a new-who timelord before (ie we had derek jacobi into john simm, not anthony ainley into john simm, etc)

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Scream of Shalka

    by The Transformed Man

    Has it ever been released as a DVD extra or anything? I'd love to see it.

  • I checked that thread first and saw your post there.

  • I didn't know Chris Evans had appeared in Doctor Who before, though I'd be gobsmacked if they managed to get him in the show. We can get to him though in a Six Degrees of Doctor Who way though through Toby "the Dream Lord" Jones. Seriously, though, if Eccleston's a maybe then it's not "reduced" to that, it's a major change from his definite no statements previously.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 8:54 a.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Got a source for this? Because none of my sources are telling me that Tennant is signed to do anything.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Death to the Daleks

    by ByTor

    Rebel Scumb: I thought it was pretty decent. It's not my favorite classic Dalek story, but it's better than many. The city is pretty cool, and c'mon, a young Elisabeth Sladen in a bathing suit!


  • ...of him with his pet bunny, Neil, joking "THIS is the REAL plaything of Sutekh..."

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST

    @axcel1: CLINT EASTWOOD'S coming to "Doctor Who"? YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!

    by obijuanmartinez

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Obijuanmartinez - Romana

    by DoctorTom

    It had happened in some of the Doctor Who books in the 90's. The Virgin novel Blood Harvest (by Terrence Dicks) had Romana leaving e-space. She joined the high council of Time Lords In Happy Endings (written by Paul Cornell) it was mentioned she was president. They had her in a new regeneration, looking like a 1920's flapper, in the BBC novel Shadows of Avalon (by Paul Cornell). At that point the Time Lords were trying to get the Doctor's companion Compassion, who had encountered a plot device which turned her into a type 102 fully sentient TARDIS. This tied in with the Future War that had been first mentioned in Lawrence Miles' Alien Bodies, where we met a future Time Lord named Homunculette and his TARDIS (I think it was a type 104), a woman named Marie. Alien Bodies was where the walking humanoid TARDIS was introduced. (Miles does a sly in-joke and said that Marie got stuck in the form of a 1960's policewoman for a while). The BBC audios are really just picking up from where the Virgin novels left off, with Romana being president. They're ignoring the whole Future War/Eighth Doctor adventure stuff. I'm just glad that they gave one 25 minute story to one of the Eighth Doctor's compinions from the novels. So, technically, none of this stuff happened on television, so Romana could easily be brought back there while ignoring everything that's happened in the books and audios.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Obijuan - Sutekh's throne

    by DoctorTom

    yes, the bunny would be good, but then I'd expect someone (probably Alexei Sayle) to suddenly state "This place is Madness!" then have the band Madness perform a song in Sutekh's throne room before going back to the story at hand. (I picked Madness because they seemed to have been the band to have been in the most Young Ones episodes.)

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Axcel1 - Wheeeee!!!

    by Perigee

    One step closer to my biggest dream - #11 telling #10, "Let me guess - you don't waaant to gooooo..." (And #10 responding - "Is it any wonder? Look what I ended up as...") We need some good ol' fashioned "The Three Doctors" interplay here. Maybe C 0f E can even mail in his part like Hartnell, and be the Moe of the Three Time Stooges from afar.

  • Woof! He can sweep River off her feet and zoom 'em into the future.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Perigee: I wouldn't get too excited yet

    by ByTor

    Despite Axcel1's claim, there's no word out there that I can find for any of this. Of course, I'd love to see it, and I'm hoping they are thinking along these lines, but I wouldn't take it to the bank. I do like the sound of a Flashheart Doctor that totally steals River Song, though. :D

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    bytor - it's not confirmed

    by DoctorTom

    but there is a video with Tennant saying he can neither confirm nor deny it. Take it for what you will. I also like the idea of a Flashheart Doctor. Then again, you could try doing it with Captain Jack instead of a Flashheart Doctor.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    I take that as him neither confirming nor denying :) and nothing else. The British tabloids will go nuts with it, of course, just as they do whenever any of the former actors say, "Sure, I'd do it" or "No, I'm not interested." They're meaningless remarks. Peoples' minds change when the schedule firms up and contracts are offered. And you're right, Jack would be perfect for a Flashheart character. But he can't regenerate into Rick Mayall. :)

  • If he's not saying no, or, maybe, then, he can say only one other word.

  • I really got a good laugh from the "CE" name reply. (I don't think Chris Evans or Clint Eastwood will ever be on Who.)

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 3:51 p.m. CST

    axcel1, or...

    by ByTor

    He's saying nothing because nothing is done, yet. He's probably figuring he'll be asked. Maybe he's even had very informal conversations w/Moffat. But nobody's signed to do anything. The BBC hasn't even officially OK'd anything beyond S7 yet. I'm just saying this is nothing new. Status quo. Nothing to get excited about.

  • To be honest, I think the only Doctors who should return are the last 4, maybe, 5, if only because Sylvester McCoy was in the 1996 Fox movie, NuWho only. (Unless, they do the rumored series of 50th anniversary specials next year, then, have a coulple of OldWho per special.)

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST

    The BBC hasn't commissioned an 8th year yet.

    by V'Shael

    And that's quite worrying, if you know how the prep year usually breaks down, schedule-wise.

  • Thank you for crushing my dreams, I needed that. LOL

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Lol not trying to crush yer dreams, axcel1

    by ByTor

    Just trying to avoid disappointment. V'Shael: It's a bit late for them but maybe they're playing close to the vest for promotional reasons. Nobody thinks that they won't continue the show for the upcoming year. :) Maybe there is just a lot of debate on the format/structure. Last rumor I heard was S8 would, in fact, start in fall 2013, either as normal episodes or specials, but with one or more "somethings" extra planned for summer.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST


    by DoctorTom

    I think the BBC has always waited for at least one episode of the newest season to be broadcast before committing to the season after that (at least officially). Given they're still filming for the current season, they're probably not in as much a rush to commit to the season after that yet - they'll wait to finish that up first.

  • Series (Season) 8 would have more than one 50th anniversary special. Don't worry, I won't get excited about that! LOL

  • 'nuff said!!

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST

    @DoctorTom - If that's true, then

    by V'Shael

    they won't start filming in Feb 2013, for broadcast in August 2013. In other words, they'll have to push the start date of season 8, back even further than they did for season 7. But also bear in mind, that long before you can start shooting, you have to write scripts, plan the season, hire writers, etc... And you can't do any of that, unless you have an actual season commissioned, with a budget. Right now, they are already over 2 months behind the schedule to hit an August 2013 premiere date. If the BBC commissioned year 8 tomorrow, the earliest they could premiere would be October 2013, and that's without cutting corners. I'm telling you, none of this bodes well for the 50th...

  • Now, I really in worry mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I've just fallen off Cloud 9, but, it felt more like a push!!!!

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by ByTor

    Unless of course Moffat is already working on scripts. No reason he couldn't be writing away; if the Beeb announces the commission in the next couple of weeks, he might already be primed to hit the ground running. I'm not worrying yet. Once they start announcing post-S7 plans I'll start analyzing timelines more, but for now it'd just make me crazy to try and analyze it. :) There's also the possibility that they've already OK'd some anniversary stuff and are keeping it secret, but I'd expect something to leak.

  • Aug. 8, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST

    v'shael, re: scheduling/worrying

    by Rebel Scumb

    I still think the reason is the ominous plans of 'the remainder of season 7 will air sometime in 2013 Which i think most people are optimistically interrupting as January or february to start the final 8 But I still think what they really mean is those 8 episodes will start in SEPTEMBER 2013, then no newly filmed specials/episodes until 2014

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST

    @bytor - That's not normally how it goes.

    by V'Shael

    A TV writer like Moffat doesn't work on spec for free. And as I said, it's more than just him. It's the whole production crew.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    @rebel scumb - I agree with you.

    by V'Shael

    I think this is ultimately all coming back to Private Eye was right all along. There were issues in the production, people left (or were pushed/fired) and the budget for season 7 was to cover 2012 / 2013, making the 50th anniversary year more of a damp squib than a real celebration. I don't think the 8 remaining episodes of season 7 will air in early 2013. When you combine those 8 episodes, with some documentary-type look-backs and so-called specials, that'll be the years worth. An Adventure in Space and Time, written by Mark Gatiss, and exploring the creation of the series, is not a special. Even if it is 90 minutes long and something he's always wanted to make. Who fans were not crying out for their own version of The Road To Coronation Street.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST


    by Rebel Scumb

    it fits with the lack of greenlight + the eyewitness scoop and really, if the back8 were going to air in January, why not just say 'there'll be a new xmas special which kicks off the remainder of the season' instead of 'the remaining 8 episodes SOMETIME in 2013' Everything about it always talks around the overall plan. The wording just comes across as the way people talk when someone knows they've done something wrong, or about to, but don't want to draw attention to it.

  • Madam Vastra, Jenny (as in the one that is M. Vastas ladyfriend) and the Sontaran nurse from aGMgtW That fills me with hope! Always liked those characters!

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Merrick - Don't know if you've seen this for tomorrow's Docback...

    by dj_bollocks

    I've wanted to tell this story this for more years than I can remember. To make it happen for Doctor Who's 50th birthday is quite simply a dream come true.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:14 a.m. CST

    2013 scheduling

    by Master of Zinj

    At this point, I just want to know what (some of) the plans are. We've always been told to have faith and be patient, but it's getting tough! Of course, the whole "sometime in 2013" for the end of this season could just mean that the Beeb haven't sorted out schedules yet so don't want to commit. Hell, they haven't even announced the start date of this series yet, so that theory may be true. But you're right, v'shael and rebel - it does lead you to fear the worst. Infuriatingly, the possibilities for what they could do for the 50th anniversary are starting to veer into crazy territory in my head. A 90-minute Time War story featuring Paul McGann! Tennant, Ecclestone, McCoy back! (Love the idea someone had of the Alternate Universe Tenth Doctor going rogue) A mini-series of multiple Doctor tales! Must... dampen... expectations... Anyway. This season can't come quickly enough - I'm starting to lose the plot.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Well that didn't work...

    by dj_bollocks

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Yeah I made a reference to the Gatiss special above...

    by V'Shael

    But as I said there, that doesn't count as a Special. It's a documentary. It's on a par with the 4 BBC America shows, *The science of Doctor Who* and what not. Incredibly cheap to make, featuring no new footage, and interviews with Who fans of dubious fame and interest. Everything about the 50th just smacks of being done on the cheap (so far).

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST

    It's not actually a documentary

    by ByTor

    It's a drama. There will be plenty of new footage; hell, they're going to cast people to play the Doctor, Ian, Barbara, Susan, Verity Lambert, Sydney Newman, and so on. I'm not saying it "counts" as a special. It doesn't. But it's not just a clip show, either. And if the rest of S7 doesn't air until the fall next year, I'll eat my hat. Mark my words: that's not what's going to happen.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I'm a trained actor reduced to the status of a bum!

    by BiggusDickus

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Chin chin!

    by BiggusDickus

  • Call it what ever you want, it's not Doctor Who, and if the show-runners think this will in any way appease those who are still waiting on new episodes, they are mad. @Bytor, I'm not going to hold you to the eating of any head-gear... but I wouldn't be so sure.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    v'shael - you're panicking too early

    by DoctorTom

    Moffat just recently finished writing the Christmas episode. That's still going to show at Christmas. If they commissioned a new season tomorrow, there's plenty of time to make an August/early September 2013 date without cutting corners. Like you say, Moffat wouldn't work on spec. Neither did RTD. They didn't commision Seasons 2, 3 or 4 before the starting date of the previous season. Those seasons still made it out the same time the year after the season before without delays. So, the statement that we'd already be 2 months later next year than this year if they commissioned the series tomorrow doesn't stand up, given that they haven't shown anything of the new series yet.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb - Still in line with "Wonderful Life," I see...

    by Perigee

    Yeah - it's my favorite HAT. But since Commander Strax was killed off in Good Man and died embracing the healer role, and Vastra turned from evil to crimefighter, I can still wear it for a while. As for the dreaded Auntie... feh. For heaven's sake, if she wants to pinch pennies, she could at least throw us a bone; how about a "Space Ghost Coast to Coast" with Matt in the chair, Strax at a Casio, a Dalek Moltar and Gibbis as Brak? Isn't that... Special...?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST

    ...or not. Just looked at the pictures. WTF?

    by Perigee

    Butler Strax?

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST

    V'shael: fair enough :)

    by ByTor

    And I'll admit I'm wrong, if it turns out I am. But everything I'm getting tells me that the BBC is not at all interested in being cheap with respect to the anniversary. They see it as a big marketing opportunity, and BBC Worldwide in particular is salivating. I stand by my prediction until proven wrong: the rest of S7 will be early next year (whether that's Feb or March or whatever, I dunno), followed by "something" in the summer, followed by S8 in the fall either as normal episodes or as double-length specials. None of this counts the Gatiss-written thing; that's just another extra. My best source tells me that we will have more than the equivalent of a full season of actual, proper Doctor Who next year. Until the BBC announces otherwise, I'm sticking with that.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Perigee - instead of Space Ghost Coast to Coast

    by DoctorTom

    do it with Max Headroom. Space Ghost was partially based on a similar format that Max had for a talk show on Cinemax, refined from the original shows where Max hosted music videos with an interview of a musician in each episode. Actually, you'd still need to license Max, but there might be a way around this.... ...... ...... use this to let Robert Llewelyn do a Kryten-hosted talk show? He could be claiming to interview "holograms" of the original people.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Speaking of Max

    by ByTor

    Matt Frewer would be an awesome guest star in Doctor Who. That is all.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST

    @doctortom - Sorry, but I'm sure you're wrong there.

    by V'Shael

    Completely wrong, actually. The Christmas 2012 script was written ages ago. They had a table read for it weeks ago. The fact that it's filming now (last), for air in 4 months, is incidental. In fact, it tracks perfectly with all of the previous seasons. Last years table read for the Christmas 2011 special was in the first week of July 2011. For the Christmas special, and the rest of season 7, everything is still perfectly tracking on schedule in line with the preceeding years. What we're talking about now, is the still-to-be commissioned 8th season. Which is at least 2 months overdue, in terms of the scheduling done in previous years. If (as you imply) the BBC wait until October 2012 to commission season 8, when they commissioned season 7 in June 2011, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that they will have lost 4 months or pre-production. Which can only delay the airing of season 8 episode 1, by a similar amount.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Home today, watching the Olympics - Rhythmic Dancing...

    by Perigee

    A bunch of women prancing around, chucking balls in the air and catching them... And, thanks to my noodling around here at the same time, I'm picturing an Oud, tossing his brain around. According to the talking head, one of the rules is that the ball has to "seem to be an extension of their body," so they definitely have an edge right there...

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST

    v'shael - I know I'm not that far off

    by DoctorTom

    The Christmas episode was supposed to film before Mark Gatiss' story - I think it was supposed to be the beginning of July (though I might be misremembering, with it being the beginning of June when it was supposed to film - I'm sure MOV could let us know as I remember him also commenting on it at the time). It was stated at that time that filming of the Christmas special was being delayed because the script wasn't finished yet. And, I didn't imply that the BBC will wait until October - I only said that BBC has NEVER greenlit a new series of Who before the previous season STARTED. You're trying to claim that they'd be 2 months behind if they commissioned now. That's balderdash, since NO PREVIOUS SEASON started two months behind when following the same commisioning process. In fact, if I recall correctly it was only the second season that was commisisoned after only one episode aired. Most commisionings were after the previous series ended. So, I don't see that Season 8 is behind the 8 ball yet. Filming of Season 7 didn't start until February 20, 2012. Even if they did wait until the late October, you still have 4 months preproduction before filming anything - certainly enough time for the first block of scripts if not more to be ready.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Perigee - you know what the Olympic Rythmic Dancing needs?

    by DoctorTom

    Daleks. Lots of Daleks doing synchronized gliding around the dance floor.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm, another Doctor Who Monopoly set

    by DoctorTom

    at least this time all the tokens are supposed to be Doctor Who related. Shame they're not having a TARDIS token this time, though. They could have at least had the TARDIS instead of the car in the Free Parking space, had a Judoon instead of the normal policeman for the Go To Jail square, and had one of any number of pictures of the Doctor in a cell for the Jail square (Pertwee in Jail, with a small picture of the Master from Frontier in Space in the "just visiting" section?). Using television episode names for the properties just doesn't feel right, either. They could have just used different planet names for the locations. Instead of Mediterranean and Baltic they could have had Raxicorocofalipatourious and Clom.

  • Aug. 9, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    doctortom and v'shael

    by Rebel Scumb

    I see what you're getting at doctortom, about them not commissioning a season until 7 starts airing, but the hink with that is we just went through all sorts of scheduling disruption last year so that Who could air in the autumn instead of the spring, so if they still plan to air more than half the episodes in february or march then what was the point of all that? There was also that quote from Matt Smith recently, sorry I don't have it handy, where he mentioned that there would be no season 8 until 2014, just the run-off of season 7 and some specials. Not sure if he meant specials like the tennant 2009 specials, or just stuff like the gatiss documentary.

  • Undoubtedly, we'll be able to discuss this more there and in yet another thread when the new Docback gets posted tomorrow.

  • ....and a side order or Menorahs.

  • Sept. 27, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST

    "Doctor! You Terrible Cunt!" -Withnail & The Doctor

    by Mundungus

    I want a Withnail & the Doctor. Also, Paul McGann, "I" from Withnail & I, starred as the 8th Doctor in 1996. So it's all in the family.