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So About That Third HOBBIT Film...
The Kidd here...
There were quite a few of you skeptical about Peter Jackson potentially adding another HOBBIT film into his already-scheduled two-part adaptation of Tolkien's novel when, at Comic-Con, he said he wanted to shoot more footage.
"It's probably just for an extended edition on Blu-ray..."
Well, shit just got real.
Conversaations are now getting quite extensive between Jackson, producer Fran Walsh, writer-producer Philippa Boyens and Warner Bros. about whether the proper financial arrangements can be made, says The Hollywood Reporter, in order to turn THE HOBBIT into a new Middle-earth trilogy. At issue is locking up the cast to new contracts that would include a third movie and making sure they have the rights to the property in order for another film to be included in the deal, especially with extra material to be included from Tolkien's writings that aren't in that one novel.
It looks like Peter Jackson wants to make this happen, and I can't imagine Warner Bros. is going to turn down the opportunity to own the box office for three consecutive holiday seasons, so THE HOBBIT trilogy is upon us.
What're they going to be calling this one?
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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July 25, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST
I'd be good with an entirely new story having nothing at all to do with any of the books
by nephilim138
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If it wasn't planned out properly I can't see this working.
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Poor Old PJ has been fighting legal issues around these movies for the last ten years... So far though things always seem to resolve so maybe we will get a third movie - although I hope its not simply at the expense of all the material that would otherwise have been included on the extended editions.
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July 25, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
Amazing...a book for 10-year olds is being turned into a trilogy!
by MoPea
And yes, the Hobbit is a children's book - go back and read it. And no, the Silmarillion won't be adapted. The Tolkien family still owns the rights and they hate Peter Jackson.
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He should shoot the scouring of the shire, and then they can re release the LOTR trilogy with another ending in a few years time.
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...This probably means we have to wait two years to see what Smaug looks like. Then again if we get to see the whole Necromancer storyline, this could potentially be very cool!
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They're going to have to add a LOT of stuff that Tolkien didn't write to get 9 hours out of it. Probably 30 minutes sequences of things falling and the heroes running away.
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July 25, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
They should call it "Filling In the Harry Potter Gap And Back Again".
by Snookeroo
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apologies to tallandagwood.
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Fuck Peter Jackson.
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July 25, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Makes sense. Jackson has wanted to make his own movie all along...
by Buck_Futt
... instead of Tolkien's. Jackson and his script girls made up at least half of The Two Towers and Return Of The King from the whole cloth, no wonder they think it'd be perfectly okay to just invent a whole additional movie. It'll be complete shit, but millions of addled fanboys will pay to see it, and the Jackson Cult at AICN will declare it the greatest thing since the buffet at DoubleDave's.
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July 25, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
I'd like to see some of the Silmarillion and Lost Tales stuff
by AlienFanatic
Especially the creation of the Balrogs and who, exactly, Morgoth was and how he fit into the rise of Sauron. Lots of weird stuff in those books, but also a lot of really neat stories.
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I like notspock2's idea of shooting the scouring of the Shire though! How about some Tom Bombadill and the Barrow wights while they are at it!
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July 25, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
I would love a third film, but a 'bridge movie' rather than a more stretched out Hobbit story.
by frank
I think the story of The Hobbit and other related events taking place during the same time frame will fit very well into two movies. If there is a third, I would hope that it consisted entirely of events that happened after Bilbo returned to the Shire with the ring. Or it could deal with events happening during the time frame of The Hobbit and even earlier, as long as it is kept a separate story from The Hobbit. Maybe it could be the story of Aragorn’s earlier life, and Gandalf’s journeys during those years. I don’t think I want a “Hobbit Trilogy,” but I would very much like another Tolkien movie from Peter Jackson.
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SMAUG Y'ALL!
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...make it stop.
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Anyway, the more we got of this shit, the better. Seriously, I really dig this fantasy-crap from nz. I feel entertained and that is good. They even managed to make a show out of the whole production-period. That´s great. Go for it.
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July 25, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
They should under no circumstances make up their own, new Middle Earth story.
by frank
If Tolkien didn’t write it, I am not interested.
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July 25, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST
The hobbit extended into three films or a third film acting as a bridge?
by Ingeld
Aragon's search for Gollum? Balin going to Moria?
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I like yours better!
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We think alike.
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I''m guessing they'll cut them into three 2-2 1/2 hour movies..... watch.
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oh shit, i just missed it. :/
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July 25, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
This is only a good deal as long as its watertight.......
by david starling
.......And whereas they might have a plan for two movies that are tighter than a Mallard's rectum, three movies just might undo it. And you're now going to decide to go and make audiences wait until Christmas 2014 for the whole conclusion, when you've been promising that it'll be over a year earlier? This smells: -Like a contractual overdose -Like someone's being spoonfed doses of "fake godliness". -Like people will tire of this!! I don't care for people who lambast me!! 3 years is too bloody much, and its stupid. A plan for two movies, turned into 3 less than 6 months before the first one, is insanity.
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July 25, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST
Remember when people used to be able to tell a good story in 2 hours or less??
by truedog67
Just sayin...
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July 25, 2012, 1:06 p.m. CST
Slapdash, last-minute decision to make trilogy = shitty quality
by martinprince
December 2014: Third time's the Harm!
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July 25, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
Tolkien wrote plenty of material that could be appropriately worked in...
by FlickaPoo
that's what they're doing already, really. All this means is more appendices material cut in. I say go for it.
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1. The Scouring of the Shire 2. Tom Bombadil 3. LotR character epilogues: Aragorn’s death (plus Arwen, Eomer, Faramir and Eowyn), Legolas and Gimli going West, and The story of Merry, Pippin and Mayor Sam (ending with Sam going West on the actual last ship). Then put them all on the Ludicrously Long BluRay edition of LotR. Show it in a limited theater run as well.
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I just hope he extends this like FOTR or TTT. The extended ROTK was a bloated self indulgent mess...
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I can't pretend I won't go see it. I will!
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Do a "bridge" film or something? No one is getting any younger, and I'd like to see the Battle Of The Five Armies before my hair turns white. I'm all for more LOTR, and wish they could get the rights for more of Prof. Tolkien's writing. But Good Gods, THE HOBBIT is turning from a nice little adventure story into something much more complicated then it may need to be. Thankfully it's Peter Jackson doing all this. Other then the editing on RETURN OF THE KING, he hasn't let me down yet.
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... would be shooting the Scouring of the Shire, and a re-edit of ROTK to include it. Leaving it out just killed the original movie, and robbed the full story of the melancholy for things lost that Tolkien intended (to say nothing of causing the cascade of redundant endings). The rest (yes, including Bombadil, I never had a problem with leaving him out) would just be unnecessary padding. Not gonna happen, of course. Jackson doesn't understand the importance of that sequence, and even if he did, Christopher Lee is (sadly) probably too frail to suit up again for it.
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July 25, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
Part two of The Hobbit needs to end with Bilbo returning to Bag End, though.
by frank
Don’t try to put that tale into more than two movies. It’s a great story and shouldn’t be watered down by having a bunch of peripheral stuff added in. The directly related events, like the White Council/Necromancer stuff, and Gandalf finding Thrain in Dol Guldur and Thror’s map etc. should be included (actually, are they including Thrain? If not, they should).
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July 25, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
I think it is a mistake...but one that only Jackson can make work
by wcolbert
I mean, it's ONE book. I'd say two 3 hour films should cover that - after all you can read the entire thing in less time...I suppose he could work in additional material from Tolkien's other works, but the question is, will the audience respond well to it? There's been growing public annoyance at the trend of spreading out books into multiple films...personally I am fine with it, as I realize that your average film simply isnt long enough to delve into everything the book offered, particularly works so steeped in their own well built and deep mythologies as Tolkien's. He fleshed out middle earth so well that one could really learn Elvish, for example, or map out the entirety of all the realms and vividly picture them in their minds.
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July 25, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
I think a lot of us were skeptical that a 3rd movie could be worth a damn
by Bass Ackwards
I suspect a lot of us still have that skepticism, despite the veracity of shit.
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July 25, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
Does Peter Jackson know how to make a normal length film anymore?
by Gary Makin
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July 25, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
There is a great deal of Tolkein material, but quite a bit of it is non-cinematic
by TallanDagwood
If this is a rush job to re-assemble cast and crew and a story, without the meticulous planning that Jackson is known for, it could be a disservice to all involved. It seems rushed. Perhaps it is not, and having Jackson toil in this environment once again can produce magnificent results, but it makes one wonder of he is returning to the well once too often?
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Obviously, this is the 3rd movie in the cash grab scheme!
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I loved the Hobbit as a novel far more than the LOTR books. I just felt like it was executed with far more efficiency and more focused storytelling than the sprawling LOTR trilogy books. I read the Hobbit at least 5 times in my adolescence, and the "There and Back Again" story remains one of my favorites. That said, the footage I've seen thus far of the Hobbit has been extremely underwhelming. The singing dwarfs did not translate well from book to film. In fact, it made the whole think look stupid. Everything seems Hobbit-esque, but not quite right. Peter Jackson would do well to tone down his tendency to go epic and simply tell the story of the Hobbit. It should have been done in one film. The story could be told robustly in 2hrs 45 mins, and a brilliant filmmaker could give us a 2hr Hobbit, I'm certain of it. Turning The Hobbit into a trilogy is an indulgent cash grab, and would diminish the legacy of the LOTR movies overall.
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July 25, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
@kildeer1 : WoW = new,original,high fantasy masterpiece??
by chronicallydepressedlemming
Are you taking the fucking piss mate?
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What the hell make it a porn!
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July 25, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
The Hobbit or how I learned to stop worrying and love the ring
by Gorgomel
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THE HOBBIT ULTIMATUM HOBBIT 3: WITH A VENGEANCE BILBO BAGGINS AND THE LAST CRUSADE
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I hope that chop down the trees and turn it into a parking lot.
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July 25, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
Bad Taste 2, 3 and 4. Now that would be something to geek on
by Gorgomel
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July 25, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
There is a lot going on between the perceived end of the 2 Hobbit films and the beginning of FOTR
by E. D.
Well, there is a lot going on that could be used to bridge quite literally up to the year 3018 when FOTR starts (not counting flashbacks that could also be inserted just like for the other movies). From the Timeline of Arda at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Arda: March 15, 2941 - Thorin Oakenshield meets with Gandalf the Grey at the Prancing Pony in Bree, the Quest of Erebor begins July, 2941 - Bilbo Baggins obtains the One Ring; the White Council drives Sauron out of Dol Guldur October, 2941 - Esgaroth is attacked by the dragon Smaug, who is consequentially killed by Bard the Bowman; Thorin Oakenshield, Fíli, and Kíli killed at the Battle of Five Armies along with Bolg son of Azog; Dáin II Ironfoot becomes King of The Lonely Mountain; Town of Dale reestablished by Bard June 22, 2942 - Bilbo Baggins returns to Bag End 2951 - Sauron reveals himself in Mordor, and starts raising Barad-dûr anew. Estel, later known as Aragorn, comes of age and is told about his heritage; the Corsairs of Umbar officially ally themselves with Mordor and destroy great monument commemorating Ar-Pharazôn's victory over Sauron 2953 - Last meeting of the White Council. Fengel, fifteenth king of Rohan, dies. His son Thengel returns to Rohan to succeed him. 2956 - Aragorn first meets Gandalf the Grey 2957-2980 - Aragorn as Thorongil serves in the armies of King Thengel of Rohan, and Steward Ecthelion II of Gondor September 22, 2968 - Frodo Baggins is born 2978 - Birth of Boromir 2980 - Arwen pledges her hand in marriage to Aragorn; Frodo Baggins loses both of his parents in a boating accident; Aragorn, in the service of the Steward of Gondor Ecthelion II leads a taskforce south and kills the Captain of the Haven, ruler of Umbar; Samwise Gamgee born;[15] Théoden, son of Thengel, becomes seventeenth king of Rohan after the death of his father. 2982 - Birth of Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry) 2983 - Birth of Faramir 2989 - Frodo Baggins comes under the guardianship of Bilbo Baggins; a company of Dwarves, led by Balin, try to recolonize Moria 2990 - Birth of Peregrin Took (Pippin) 2991 - Birth of Éomer 2994 - Balin is killed; the dwarf-colony in Moria is destroyed 2995 - Birth of Éowyn 3001 - Bilbo Baggins turns 111, passes the One Ring on to Frodo Baggins, and leaves the Shire. From now on Aragorn and Gandalf intermittently hunt Gollum 3002 - Lalia Clayhanger, the matriarch of the Took clan, dies, aged 119, and possibly pushed by Pearl Took;[16] Bilbo settles in Rivendell 3007 - Gilraen, Aragorn II's mother passes away at the age of 100 years 3014 - Saruman begins using his influence to weaken Théoden, king of Rohan 3017 - Gollum is released from Mordor; Aragorn finally tracks him down in the Dead Marshes, and brings him as a captive to King Thranduil's halls in Mirkwood 3018 - The Ringwraiths are given the task of retrieving the One Ring; April 11, 3018 - Gandalf reaches Hobbiton. He returns to the Shire, telling Frodo Baggins he must take the Ring away
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THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE HOBBIT What? That was Sergio Leone's Dollars Trilogy!
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July 25, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
The third one is going to be just like RotK. 5 different endings. Only they will fade into one another over the course of 150 minutes instead of 20.
by YourMomsBox3D
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That's better
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July 25, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST
More Hobbit, more PJ, more Tolkien. Great. Stop complaining.
by Count Screwface
The Hobbit: Rise of the Lycans
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and actually The Scouring of the Shire, too. I really like both of those scenes, but I understand why they were left out. However, I would still love to see an extended edition with both of those things cut in. I also agree that The Scouring was more important to the plot of LotR and Frodo’s character arc in particular than the Bombadil stuff was. Bombadil’s chapter was mostly fun but also showed that Tolkien’s world was filled with mysterious things and hinted at the expansive mythology. Having Bombadil could also mean having the Barrow Wights sequence, which would be really cool to see.
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I'm reealllly not crazy about this move, but since it's happening anyway... · it should be a totally stand alone film, with its own non-'The Hobbit' non-'The Lord of the Rings' title, something along the lines of 'Beren and Luthien' and 'The Children of Hurin' · it should avoid answering every and all aspects of The Lord of the Rings. We don't need to see Balin go to Moria or young Theoden. They should try to select material that is totally new. Don't take the mystery and wonder out of the originals! · they should take the opportunity and do minor supplemental material for LOTR. Personally, I agree that each character should have a proper epilogue/goodbye. Did we really say goodbye to Aragorn? What happened to Legolas and Gimli? Did Eormer become king of Rohan? · reconsider the ending voiceover in ROTK. Wasn't it originally supposed to be Cate Blanchet's voice, and not Elijah Wood's? Why not mirror the prologue from FOTR? · if they revisit LOTR, I think its mostly a project about editing and subtracting, rather than adding. Keep the theatrical edit where Aragorn is uncertain if the undead army will join him. Oh, and get rid of Denethor's infamous bungie jump. Just have him collapse and burn to death. Far more dramatic. · I hightly doubt they could every do the Scouring of the Shire. They gave Saruman a proper death, and there's no way Christopher Lee would shoot it. They only got 4 days with him on the Hobbit, after all... · ... That said, I'd like to see Tom Bombadil included somewhere and in some capacity. No way they ever try to add him into Fellowship. · I'm guessing that this would be the 'bridge' film that was supposed to be film 2 originally. I highly suspect it would feature blended bits from "The Hobbit" cast and "The Lord of the Rings" cast. Would it feature Strider and other Rangers? New Gondor material? Would Aragorn meet Arwen? Could this film have no Hobbits at all and be as close to a Silmarillion film as we could ever hope to get? .... and lastly... it doesn't have to be a 2.5/3 hour epic! A two hour film could be just fine... better, even.
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Seriously last time, Bilbo.
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We should be supporting artists like Peter, Fran, and Phillipa, not condemning them without even seeing a script, let alone the movies. This is something coming from the artists themselves, borne out of storytelling necessity. There is something more in the story they want to show us that can't fit into two movies. This is not a greedy studio mandate. Artists should be given the freedom to create. So many people judge their work after the fact; why should we be judging them beforehand? Give them the freedom to succeed or fail. Be positive and hope they succeed. They are doing this for love of the characters! People are acting like they are punishing the fans. If they have more story to tell, I am looking forward to seeing it!
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Cut half an hour from each current film Film another 20 minutes of orc/dwarf war, another 20 minutes of driving Necromancer from Dol Guldor. Then a coda of the adoption of Frodo, or transpose Bombadil story to Bilbo on way home. Leaves plenty of material from Arwen/Aragorn, Hunt for Gollum and Balin/Moria for bridge film. Would have to cough up big bucks to Zaentz. Not that I think this is a good idea.
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Just when I thought I was out, that ring pulls me back in!
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With Mel Brooks directing....
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I'm sorry Bilbo, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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Yes, but its not very detailed, with visuals and dialogue its easy to see if you've read the book where material will come from PLUS if you've done your homework you'll know that they are pulling from the LOTR appendices. Silmarillion is off lemits as Saul Zentz does not own the rights to those and wont for the Hobbit and LOTR very soon, these will be the last feature length movie set in middle earth,Aman, Dark Land, Land of teh Sun or the new Lands for a long time if EVER. If you love the mythology then welcome the 3rd movie, its not a cash grab on Wing Nuts part - WB possibly but atleast the track record is success and good stories.
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thats all
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Dead or alive, you're riding in a barrel.
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July 25, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
We need Condorman 2 and 3. Where's the love for Condorman? come on!
by Gorgomel
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gotta go eye-max!
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July 25, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
I fine as long as cut the scene where the Elves have a gun fight in a movie theater
by Sequitur
hehhhhhhh
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July 25, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
Actually, we know EXACTLY why there will be 3 movies - MORE CHANNING TATUM!
by Judge Briggs
True story!
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July 25, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST
people seem to have already forgotten the fucking bloat that was KING KONG
by la_sith
Here we go again. Jackson works best when he doesn't have an open wallet. I do not see this working out.
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Team effort. =D
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July 25, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
At least this should put to rest fears that PJ was not enthusiastic about directing The Hobbit.
by frank
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TRANSHOBBITS: REVENGE OF THE LADYBOYS
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And for all you Chuck Norris fans... BRADDOCK: MISSING IN MIDDLE EARTH III
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I KNOW WHAT YOU HOBBITS DID LAST SUMMER
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I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU HOBBITS DID LAST SUMMER
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Lord of the Rings: Return of the Shadow Lord of the Rings: War of the Ring both are from History of Middle-Earth by Tolkien. (If WB can get the rights. I know the Tolkien foundation doesn't like the way the films were produced and have vowed not to let any other books besides Hobbit and LOTR see the light of day on film.)
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And lets not forget the *straight to video*... I'LL ALWAYS KNOW WHAT YOU HOBBITS DID LAST SUMMER
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July 25, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST
the more the merrier in my opinion, but make them all less than 3 hours
by antonphd
i would be perfectly happy if the 2 sure to be 3 hour movies were turned into 3 two hour movies
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HIGH SCHOOL HOBBIT 3: SENIOR YEAR
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HONEY, I SHRUNK THE HOBBITS (and... im done).
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LOTR = boring.
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remember him? Maybe we see the transformation
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I wouldn't be suprised if after this, he tries to find away to make another 3. Especially with the multi-endings from RoTK.
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Can't believe no one thought of that one . . . . BTW way where is Harry, still in hiding after his TDKR Review????
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For fuck's sake, enough is enough.
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Will ALL adapted works become trilogies? What if the adapted work is a trilogy already, will we get ( movies? The makers of Hunger Games and Twilight have got to be sucking it on this turn of events. Next, Jackson will re-shoot LOTR into a nov-ilogy.
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Spreading a 320 page book across 2 films was already unnecessary and now it's just comical. Doesn't really matter to me since I don't like Jackson's take on Tolkien and wasn't planning on seeing the first two.
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Please don't King Kongify that charming little fairy tale, Peter.
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What a dork
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it's in the way that you use it, boy don't you know?
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according to the Hollywood Reporter article, which means that he's already shot enough material for around 2-1/2 films.
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July 25, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
Yep. No more Harry. No more Nolan. Superman is a big ? WB's scrambling.
by AzulTool
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July 25, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
Tolkien always intended others to expand and create new middle earth myths.
by hadrion
He said it many times.
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July 25, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
This is the greatest thing since the buffet at DoubleDave's!
by Talkbacker with no name
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Hugely anticipating the Hobbit movies but the idea of squeezing three films out of it...seems unseemly. HOWEVER...years ago, the talk at the time was for there to be two films: The Hobbit and then a story linking that to LOTR. I never thought that latter film was at all necessary, but maybe that's what this is really about. I wish they would just leave well-enough alone.
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The Hobbit story itself is not that long; it should fit nicely into a two parter; but if they aren't doing either the Simallarion or something they planned at the time of putting together these two movies, it will almost certainly be a throw away cash in movie. Can't wait for the Hobbit though! That scene where Bilbo massacres those spiders is going to be awesome
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It's every damn film with this guy. "Only two hours? This could use an extra 45 minutes, right? And that doesn't account for the extended DVD release, which will be 8 hours." He does some good work, but sitting through his films feels like a chore.
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July 25, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST
Good idea. Milk this franchise until there's nothing left, and it becomes a parody of itself.
by Ironhelix
Worked out pretty well for the Alien franchise, right?
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Consumed by the dollar, Mr. Jackson has become
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Done
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Honestly, what probably happened is PJ determined they had enough material for close to a six hour extended cut of both films. PJ then figured that new material had to be filmed to fill in the gaps to make the EC more coherent. So instead of two 3 1/2 hour EC Bluerays, why not just create a 3rd film with each being 2 hr and 20 minutes long. This is a sound financial move, as there would be a far greater profit from 3 films than 2 EC BR. So now they have to determine the costs of lets say 10 weeks of additional shooting. By deciding on this now, that can save the sets. All they have to do is new contracts for cast, crew and equipment. More than likely a few new sets will be constructed. The bottom line is, will the added budget of lets say 75-100 million be worth a new film. Then there is the legal aspect, I have a gut feeling that PJ may have already dipped to far into the appendices, to the point of legal issues being brought forth by the Tolkien Estate. So if there might be a tug of war coming, might as well get permission to film even more post Hobbit material.
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July 25, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST
If Saruman is gonna be in #3, better shoot those scens NOW
by martinprince
Christopher Lee is not long for this world
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"NOT ANOTHER HOBBIT MOVIE"
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The HOB3IT
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between the end of "The Hobbit" and the beginning of "LotR" to make a movie. When Del Toro was directing, the plan was to make the first movie "The Hobbit" and the second movie the "bridge" movie, but there wasn't enough there, so "The Hobbit" was split in two.
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July 25, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
They could call it "FFS AICN talkbackers are a bunch of complaining asshats"
by shran
Oh no, PJ is turning Hobbit into three movies! WAAAAAA! Something, something is being raped! WAAA WAAAAA! Hyperbole, hyperbole! WAAAAAAAAAA! Get a hold of yourselves you borderline lunatics. You haven't even seen any of it yet. And don't start with the whole "LOTR was a travesty" BS. Talk like that only succeeds in making you sound less intelligent than a fart. You should count yourself lucky that a film-maker capable of doing The Hobbit is doing it. Now go back upstairs. Your mom made you a sandwich and was thoughtful enough to cut off the crust just the way you like.
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So you're saying...Peter Jackson has become Gollum? Irony!
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July 25, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST
Mixed feelings, but as the little we've seen of Hobbit looks more LOTR-ish anyway, maybe this could work.
by kevred
I'd like a more intimate, warmer, less epic-feeling set of two Hobbit films, directed by Del Toro. But since that's not possible now, and Jackson seems to be keeping the look and feel of LOTR in place - which is a more epic look and feel than the Hobbit seems to have naturally - then why not? Of course, it all depends on him doing it well, not filling in with too much contrived nonsense (we're looking at you, 'Tauriel'), and making this a "bonus pack" of actual Tolkien material. That could make it fun, and more of a reason for the films to exist. Hard for me to imagine watching all these characters and actors not being fun, so if they can make it work, I'll see it.
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Greedy fuckers.
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I don't see any real obstacle to shooting the Scouring of the Shire. Saruman only appears in it for a single scene - he basically steps out of Bag End, talks for a few minutes, then gets stabbed. No real physical activity there. Christopher Lee could still do it.
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July 25, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
Peter Jackson thinks he's the reincarnation of Tolkien now
by Liquid Meddle
Fuck this guy. Leave it alone. Make your two Hobbit movies and go away. There's no way the Tolkien family will give up the rights to the Silmarillion.
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Seriously guys... the search for more bank joke wasn't that funny when tallandagwood did it back around post 9. Those of you making it over a hundred posts later should probably re-evaluate your lives.
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July 25, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
I guess the fact that PJ Only wants to do a couple of more months of shooting
by frank
is probably an indicator that he plans to extend the Hobbit story over three movies rather than having the third movie be a different story all together. It could still be good, but I think The Hobbit would best be told in two parts. Part One is the journey from the Shire to the Lonely Mountain on which Bilbo discovers his courageous and adventurous spirit, Part Two is the conflict with Smaug and the aftermath of his death, including the Battle of Five Armies and ending with Bilbo’s return to Bag End. Those form two nice story arcs, I think. If they split it into three parts, I worry that the individual films will feel randomly chopped up. I’d rather see a stand-alone third movie about young Aragorn or something. I realize of course that this is all speculation and I should just wait until we hear more from Jackson about what his plans for the story are.
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...I've become much less interested in the whole thing. I was really looking forward to these movies, but these greedy fuckers have pushed it too far this time.
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then it means that he's thinks he's already got almost enough material for three films in the can. My guess is that he had planned only to do two films, but he and his writers just now came up with an idea for how the story would work across three films with only a little (relatively) extra filming. If this were strictly a "cash grab", I'm sure they would have planned for three films from the start.
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And that's why it should never be made.
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Using the sets from NZ. These appendices stories seem to lend themselves to episodic treatment.
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Tolkien initially said that he wanted others continuing his work, assuming they would be highly-educated intellectuals. When started to get actual fans, neither of these things, he was very disappointed. Christopher Tolkien is on very solid ground in refusing PJ the rights to the Silmarillion. (Even before considering all the 'Frodo shot first' type changes PJ made)
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= Zathras
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July 25, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
I have a question that hopefully someone who's been following this more closely can answer...
by Tim
Ok, so I just read 'The Hobbit' for the first time. I enjoyed it. I'm wondering about this third flick...didn't they shoot the 2 planned movies already? And if so, wouldn't the story be over? Or am I just confused and Jackson hasn't shot the 2nd of the 2 films yet?
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July 25, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
Here we go again... Again. Less Grossman to produce!
by AnarchyWorldsEnd
Tug Speedman as a Balrog! Kirk Lazarus as the noblest of all elves! Jeff Portnoy Make it so!
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July 25, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
Dang it PJ, I got an awesome idea for a Kong sequel, SKULL ISLAND
by lv_426
Or should I say $KULL I$LAND.
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And then splice it into the rest of the scenes at random. Bonus points for being edgy and using 4:3 screen ratio.
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Directed by Alfred Hobbitcock.
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It looks like they finished shooting the two planned movies, but PJ thinks there is actually enough material to break The Hobbit into three movies if they are allowed to go back and spend a couple of extra months shooting some additional material. They would take all of that footage and edit it into three movies instead of two. The new footage would be interspersed throughout the three films. That is what it is sounding like to me, but what do I know?
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Well played, sir.
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July 25, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST
The Hobbit 3: Pump Up The Hobbit!.....btw lv_426 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Trilogy is brilliant
by Darth Saruman
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Movies are made to make money. Oh yes, there is the whole "artistic endeavor, film-maker satisfying his own fan interest" aspect. But all-in-all it's about generating BO income in order to continue your career. Otherwise you are the "forever student/indie film-maker" hoping for a shot at Sundance. But even then those "forever student/indie film-maker" types are trying to succeed at Sundance so they can become mega-rich PJ and GL types. To all of the people who protest the money making aspect of the "movies", you are quite noble in your opinion. If you took your nobility and put it in an empty sack it would be worth an empty sack. That's like, Rule of Acquisition #109 or something.
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Whilst taking the time to compose my thoughts, other's posted theirs. A tip of the cap to you.
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We saw that with the bloated mess that was King Kong. The LoTR trilogy was great, but since then Jackson's movies have been pretty forgettable. Maybe at the end of all this Jackson can get Jack Black to stand over Tolkien's corpse and proclaim " It was Jackson raped my childhood"
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Merchandising! Merchandising!
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Merchandising! Merchandising!
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In this version, the sword Sting is forged by Hobbitorri Hanzo, the only Asian Hobbit that Tolkien included in his Middle Earth canon.
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In this version, the sword Sting is forged by Hobbitorri Hanzo, the only Asian Hobbit that Tolkien included in his Middle Earth canon.
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HOBBIT ALONE III With Joe Pesci as Gollum trying to burgle the One Ring and Daniel Stern as his expendable ringwraith sidekick.
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Tom Bosley as Tom Bombadil Henry Winkler as The Frodz
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The Hoff is a Ringwraith!!!!!
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Most of the appendices are about Gondor, Rohan, and the cultures from LotR before the story begins. I'll give PJ the benefit of the doubt here, if anybody deserves my trust when it comes to actually caring about Tolkien's writings, it's him.
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July 25, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
Hobbit 3: Middle Earth is fun fantasy world to play in.......& why not??
by even9
I'll check em out just to enjoy the big budget 'interpretation' of a middle earth fantasy world adventure, & IF the story telling hits my Fantasy Genre sensibilities, well good bonus but won't be put off if not! How many other Fantasy middle earth type film epics are there again, particularly playing at the cinemas?.............. ......................... ............... ......... ... That many, thought so!
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There will be at least five referencing sex & the city, and a very likely cameo from the Jersey Shore cast.
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July 25, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
I'd love to see them deal with the fight against the necromancer.
by Crooooooow
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July 25, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST
I don't really think this is a good idea. And this is coming from someone who loved Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy.
by Mr. Pricklepants
The Hobbit isn't an epic novel like The Lord of the Rings. It probably could be told in one three-hour movie, but since two-part movies are the rage these days, it's no wonder they decided to make two movies. Plus, the movies have added stuff about Gandalf, the White Council and the Necromancer that was happening at the same time (based on writings by Tolkien himself, so not invented by PJ & co.). But three movies based on The Hobbit? Like I said, a third movie is stretching things a bit. Sure, financially it would be an understandable decision, but creatively? If it was just extra material for an extended edition, I would definitely understand that. You just know there will be extended editions. What would that third movie be about? The years between The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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I was not happy with using gimmicks like 48fps and 3d, adding non-existent female characters or even TWO movies, but i've lost any interest in giving money to Peter Jackson, and I LOVED LOTR. He has shown he has no respect for the fans and I urge others not to attend them as well.
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6 films about walking and an old man getting small people to finger his ring! The Hobbit 3: Peadogeddon!
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Hopefully something great comes of this.
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Stop fucking giving PJ money! Low budget like brain dead and hes genius, big budget and hes fucking forest gump with brain damage! He hasnt made a good film since The Frightners, go back to what your good at, low budget kick ass horror!
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is a hodge-podge of cliches, cheesefest dialogue and stolen (see: GW's Warhammer) ideas. It's a masterpiece of money-making, I'll give you that. But I'm sure you could come up with better high fantasy over a weekend than World of Warcraft has.
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cromulent wins.
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........oh never mind. To engage you is an effort in futility. Much like arguing with a pet. Obviously most of your taste resides in your mouth. Speaking of which, how was the sandwich?
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In all honesty, if Peter Jackson and company is gung ho enough to push for a third film, then there probably should be a third film. The first film will cover events in "The Hobbit," seems like, while the other two films will draw upon all kinds of fairly dramatic shit taking place before and after and during The Hobbit. I mean, Tollkien was pretty goddamn thorough, so why not draw upon events outside "The Hobbit" for inspiration? I'm all for a third film. Make it happen, Peter!
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July 25, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
A Middle Earth type Genre film series based on the Warlands comics would be cool though
by even9
That had a cool middle earth type setting, with races of elves, men, dwarves, battling against vampire hords from their distant & mythic past invading their lands with long lost Princes, & had dragons, mages, berserks from other dimensions etc etc etc cool art and cool interwoven stories of different ages.
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July 25, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
Hopefully, two King Kong four hour long sequels will follow the Hobbit trilogy...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
'Son of Kong', where Naomi Watts gives birth to the progeny of her affair with the titular ape (to be played by Vin Diesel with a furry chest piece), and then 'The Rise of Mecha-Kong', wherein Kong's broken and battered cryogenically frozen body is retro-fitted with cybernetic implants to serve as the protector of earth in the year 2456. Then Jackson can make 'Dead Alive 2: Even Deader', Meet the Feebles 2, 3 and 4, and a Bad Taste sextology. Followed by week-long adaptations of The Silmarillon and Farmer Giles of Ham.
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July 25, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
How in the blue hell do you stretch a book as short as the Hobbit over 3 movies
by maxcherry
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July 25, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
So that wasn't really a 40' Gorilla at the end of Kong.
by DougMcKenzie
It was PJ's rampaging ego. Literary classics? Fuck 'em... I directed low-budget gore. I know the real score.
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July 25, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
The Hobbit : Hobbits in da Hood starring Katt Williams, Mo'nique, Vivica Fox, and that fat bitch from Precious
by maxcherry
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July 25, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
The Hobbit 6 : The Chronicles of Gandalf raping Hobbits in locker room shower
by maxcherry
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July 25, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
The Hobbit: What to Expect When You're Not Expecting a Trilogy
by david hambre
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Well, shit just got real.
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July 25, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST
JUST A REMINDER: PETER JACKSON IS NOT A VERY GOOD FILMMAKER
by Wacky Packages
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Because I'm sick and fucking tired of people saying the same misinformed shit over and over again when 5 minutes of googling will clear it all up. I'm talking about: Question - How the hell can they stretch a short book like The Hobbit into 2 (or 3) films? What is this madness??? Answer - The filmmakers have the rights to the Appendices from Return of the King, numbnuts. These appendices are 125 pages of highly compressed detail that covers a massive wealth of Middle-earth history including lots of stuff that took place around the time of The Hobbit. This material also helps to tie the story of The Hobbit in with that of LotR. Jackson is already using a shit-ton of this to create his 2-film version. Question - Why not just use material from The Silmarillion / Unfinished Tales / Children of Hurin? Answer - Because the rights to all that shit are locked away by the Tolkien Estate, dickface. That stuff will never be filmed as long as Christopher Tolkien draws breath, you simpering cockbollock.
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July 25, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
The third film could be a garbled, unfocused mess
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
and still be better than 99% of all the movies released in the past 2 years. Yes, that means I'm in motherfuckers!
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6 STAR WARS MOVIES 6 STAR TREK MOVIES (original cast) 6 ROCKY MOVIES 6 LORD OF THE RINGS MOVIES Um.....any others?
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"Question - Why not just use material from The Silmarillion / Unfinished Tales / Children of Hurin? Answer - Because the rights to all that shit are locked away by the Tolkien Estate, dickface. That stuff will never be filmed as long as Christopher Tolkien draws breath, you simpering cockbollock" Not to mention the fact that all that stuff happens ages before HOBBIT. It would make no sense apart from the odd history flashback.
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I wouldn't expect you to understand my "bubbling". Whatever that is. Illiterate barstardo.
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PJ could do an actual sequel to LOTR. Either way I WILL be at the theater to see the Hobit. One of my all time favorites.
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If you truly believe that about WoW, you're either a fanboy of epic proportions or you've never seen any fantasy outside of that game. In fact, everything you just said sounds like you're reading it off the back of the game box. I played the shit out of WoW for a long time, but to consider the storytelling anything but derivative mush is deluded. It's a fucking cartoon. Dino Riders had more depth.
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Just reaks of hollywood greed!
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I'll see the first one just to see the 48 fps, but if they're anything like the LOTR trilogy, they'll get crappier with each film. I never thought that last one would end. I almost killed myself just to get away from it.
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July 25, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
Off Topic, but can someone buy Kevin Smith a new shirt, or a gift certificate to Lane Bryant Men? I am so tired of seeing him in that crusty hockey jersey.
by YourMomsBox3D
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in Gree-D!
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that's a great idea if the re-work the way Sarumon dies in the 3rd move to be more like he dies in the book. At the time I liked the Dracula reference, but the description of Sarumon's death in the book is much better than a cheap Christopher Lee gag.
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From my understanding, the Hobbit storyline would wrap up in the second film still. The third film would be a combination of appendices from the Hobbit, LOTR, and othe JRR works, along with some creative liberties. No text is holy no matter how old, or how dead the writer is. It's a fantasy book that could be the leap pad for many more original stories in middle earth. There's nothing here that hasn't been done before to other sci-fi/fantasy properties. I'm all for it, as long as it's done in the vein of the lotr movies. Would I love a film that brings other charaters from LOTR into the mix? yes. Also, calling a corporate film company greedy is redundant. They're in the business to make money.
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yeah you will. stop pretending like this will affect you in any way.
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Him, and his wife even more, are the biggest nerds of the books and would only do a third one if it served the story better. Also, those who are complaining on here that LOTR was bad... this shouldn't affect you in anyway. Just don't watch them. By biggest pet peeve is that 90% of those bitching on here will still see the movie and forget that they were bitches in the first place.
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July 25, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST
Thanks AICN for my random double-post of an unfinished (and partially misspelled) thought
by Inexplicable_Nuclear_Balls
Annnnnnnnyways, as I was saying... Screw this TOLKIEN shit - where's my Willow sequel? See? That was totally worth two accidental half-posts!
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I myself and me like the idea of more Middle Earth. These posts are fun to read, I am sure PJ is enjoying reading them too, he knows these are just people getting into character for a post.
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What a load of tosh i cant believe any of you are taking this seriously...guys your being punked
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If you can't tell the story of "the Hobbit" in 2 movies, you should be out of a job. It's just a cash grab. Disgusting!
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3? I'm out. There is no way the book justifies 3 three hour movies, no way. Have the producers actually read the book????????????????? I enjoyed the original trilogy in the theaters but every attempt at going through them again on dvd turns them into such borefests for me...
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July 26, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST
The Hobbit 3: Because it will male sense when we package it as a box set for Xmas. Trilogy a go-go baby
by Zombie Vig
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Why, I feel all thin, sort of *stretched* if you know what I mean: like butter that has been scraped over too much bread. That can't be right.
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July 26, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST
the hobbit III: the one where you finally get to see a dragon. (not really that scene was cut but will be on the bluray)
by Reelheed
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July 26, 2012, 1:47 a.m. CST
The Hobbit is a slim book. cant see how they can make 2 movies out of it let alone 3
by Shaun D Lyons
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There is no reason whatsoever that there should be a third Hobbit movie - It's bad enough deciding to make two films. Its the usual case with these studios, as seen with, "Harry Potter", the abomination that is,"The Hunger Games" series and the "Twilight" series. Studios will do everything in there power to keep their properties in multiplexes until the very last frame. If they had their way, they would have kept Harry Potter in Hogwarts until he had the potential to seek out the Crystal Skull. "The Hobbit" should have been one long three hour epic, with extra material thrown in later for the extended edition later. No wonder the Tolkien family have got the needle. The odds of now seeing a "Silmarillion" movie made by Jackson is about as plausibe than seeing a, erm, three hour Hobbit movie.
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"Tolkien Enterprises" are fiercely protective of thr rights to the Silmarillion the content of which is the very wellspring of all things Middle Earth. If TE don't like the Jackson movies (and I don't blame them) I hardky think it likely they will let him and his terrible co-writers run amok with the 'Marillion...
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Stop being greedy. I hope Peter Jackson says no to this. Make something else.
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1.) Principle photography has wrapped on the first two films. It's in the can. The whole production schedule will be chaos. They'd have revisit the whole editing process from square one, or the third film will just feel like it was tacked on at the end. 2.) It's going to be a real bitch getting all those actors and their families back to New Zealand for another six months. And their new contracts will be phenomenally expensive. Sir Ian's bill alone will be about $NZ10Million. 3.) Honestly,what the hell are they going to film? Is anyone that has true respect for Mr. Tolkien actually looking forward to more stuff that PJ and FW makes up or pulls out of their ass? Haven't they pissed on the original source material enough? If they're really that desperate for a cash grab, what they should do is just pad out the first two films with a lot of CGI and sweeping helicopter mountain/forest shots (and other shit) and split them into three. Mr. Jackson, if you're reading this,please go ahead and film whatever you like. Just save it for DVD.
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July 26, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
Pad it out with lots and lots and lots of Dwarf singing.
by buggerbugger
Either that or, in the tradition of publishers increasing the page count by enlarging the typeface, slow the movies down by 5%, instantly 'adding' around 30 minutes of 'extra' footage. Did I mention lots and lots and lots of Dwarf singing? Oh.
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July 26, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST
add in a side quest where Bilbo and the dwarves team up with Conan the Cimmerian
by lv_426
Ha! Crom laughs at your puny rings.
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July 26, 2012, 3:57 a.m. CST
a side quest... that is what this feels like, a big side quest/DLC add-on for The Hobbit
by lv_426
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July 26, 2012, 3:58 a.m. CST
Maybe have Bilbo and the dwarves run afoul of Darkness from Legend
by lv_426
They could team up with Sir Ridley's goofy gnomes and Tom Cruise.
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One three hour movie? Too much to fit in, so it would feel rushed. One 4 hour movie? That would be the best option but people won't sit through a 4 hour movie so cinemas won't show it. Two 3 hour movies? So they need to find another 2 hours of material... but there's the appendices, so yeah they can make that work. Three 3 hour movies? Now they need to find another 5 hours of material? No way, it would be stretched out and padded with boring filler and dull dull dull. Three 2 hour movies? Maybe, if the first two movies can be edited to fit. Depends on what material they've used from the appendices and how it can be split up.
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July 26, 2012, 4:11 a.m. CST
The thing that really sucks about this idea is that what we thought was a 2-parter with a year window in-between chapters is now stretched out much farther
by lv_426
Now it will be The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey in December 2012. The Hobbit: There And Back Again in December 2013. Then finally The Hobbit: WTF? There is a whole entire movie still? in December 2014. So now we are 2.5 years out from seeing this Hobbit saga complete. It definitely saps a lot of my excitement to be honest. No, I'm not saying it is shit and sucks poo out of a rhino's ass like some people will assume I'm saying, cause we all know how it goes when one questions the logic of this kind of stretching out for dollars mentality of big budget film sagas these days. I wouldn't have minded if this was how it was all announced in the first place, but now it feels like a dick move IMO. Kinda like how Prometheus was sold as an Alien prequel, then we were yelled at by the cool kids telling us that it wasn't an Alien film. Oh yeah, then we go see the movie and Lindelof and Ridley start going on and on about how it is just the first part of a trilogy. Fuck that. I'm getting tired of that kind of shit. If directors want to make a trilogy, then fine, but it is annoying when they act like we will just eat it up without question. I guess it is at least better that Peter Jackson is telling us now, and not a month before part 2, The Hobbit: There And Back Again debuts in theaters.
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July 26, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST
If they really want to make a third film, then they should do The Scouring of the Shire as a separate entity
by lv_426
Keep the original plan of having The Hobbit be a two-part film. Keep the original release schedule. If The Scouring of the Shire can be shot and finished by December 2014, then fine. If not, then just make it good and release it when it is ready.
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If you're going to post a festering load of frothing drivel in talkback, try to make sure that it's INFORMED frothing drivel. Do you realize how fucking dumb you all sound shrieking things like "3 movies?!?! But The Hobbit is such a SLIM BOOK!!!!" after several talkbackers have quite explicitly pointed out that the third film would most likely rely most heavily on the additional material that PJ has access to? No? Then you're a moron. Furthermore, braying about a third film being a "cash grab" has absolutely no weight whatsoever if you thought the idea of two films was okay. PJ certainly doesn't need the money, so if you have the courage of your convictions, don't see any of the hobbit movies since all of them would be "cash grabs" by your reasoning. For PJ, a third movie is no more of a cash grab than the first two.
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Your defence of WoW as something deep and profound makes you the biggest retard on this board right now, so nothing you say means a thing to anyone here except you. That is, until ringwearer9 shows up.
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My favorites so far... The Hobbit: Weekend at Gandolfs The Hobbit:The Return Of The Ker-Ching! 2001: A Space Hobbit The Hobbit: An Unexpected Trilogy Hobbit With a Shotgun
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July 26, 2012, 5:41 a.m. CST
Well seeing as the Return of The King spent the last hour saying goodye to everyone
by papabendi
I reckon the whore mongering, coke addicted, child sacrificing, suits at the studio decided they could persuade Jackson to go the whole hog and squeeze an entire film out of The Hobbits goodbyes. After all, the second Star Wars trilogy proved that no matter how dire the product, fanboys will pay to watch anything that has the name of their chosen object of desire on it. More coke all round!
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for a Willow sequel. Just don't base it on those terrible Lucas/Claremont novels.
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His character's been semi-successful during his WoW campaigns so in order to anchor this success into something meaningful in the real world (since the chicks he's been playing against wouldn't touch his cheeto-eating ass with a wizard's staff IRL), he has to attribute literary qualities to that world. In his mind, this makes him not only a "reader" of great "literature", but an actual participant in making that "literature", yes, "great." You are one funny bastard, kildeer1.
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PJ can easily squeeze one movie into 3.
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July 26, 2012, 7:34 a.m. CST
As soon as I found out PJ was involved I knew it was going to be a long boring mess... I didnt know it was going to be THIS bad.
by vetepalapinga
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Penthouse is one the richest,most complex and multi-layered high sex fantasy universes that have ever been created. you can make 100 pornos and you still wouldnt manage to fully explore the Penthouse world.
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I DONT SEE HOW THERE CAN BE A 3RD FILM OR WHY ITS NEEDED...JUST MAE SILMARILLION. HE PLANS ON DOING THE APPENDIX STUFF FROM LOTR TO FILL IN THE UNECESSARY THIRD FILM.I CALL BULLSHIT,SORRY.
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...are just yelling "Make SILMARILLION!!!" now to be part of the current talkback herd, right? I mean, there's no way you guys don't know that the Tolkien estate owns the rights and won't give them up, yes? Because you guys must have read the posts in the talkback preceeding your own, right? Right?
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July 26, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
The Hobbit - Three More Hours of Sweeping Helicopter Shots of People Walking Through The NZ Countryside
by Marvin
Yeesh
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...that only a fraction of the people yelling "MAKE SILMARILLION!!!" have actually read the book.
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Maybe the film rights are locked up by the Tolkien Estate? I haven't read that one, just The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings, but maybe some more scholarly Tolkienites can fill us in on The Children of Húrin. Would that one work as a standalone film? I'd rather see them just make both Hobbit films like planned, then go off and do something else from the Tolkien Middle Earth stuff. It just seems odd to stuff a bunch of extra stuff in after the fact. Unless it is just a few extra scenes and alternate scenes like we got with the LOTR extended editions.
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well at least its more exiting than a 6th film of walking!
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July 26, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST
Hobbit 3. Okay People I Just Can't Make A Decent Movie Unless it is About These Damn Books- P.Jackson
by Drew
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July 26, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST
Hobbit 3. Okay People I Just Can't Make A Decent Movie About These Damn Books- P.Jackson
by Kakii
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And back again and there again (to our wallets)
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Sadly, yes. Not possible. Literally every other bit of Middle-earth story that is not contained inside the pages of either The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings is owned completely by the Tolkien Estate.
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July 26, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
People saying JUST MAKE THE SILMARILLION!...have you read THE SILMARILLION?
by FlickaPoo
It's like there's a two part Jesus movie in the works with a possibility for a third, and you're yelling JUST MAKE THE THIRD MOVIE THE OLD TESTAMENT! I'd love to see some SILMARILLION on screen, but there are dozens and dozens of movies in there...
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This shit is endless and hilarious. The Hobbit: The Final Chapter The Hobbit: A New Beginning The Hobbit Lives The Hobbit: The New Blood The Hobbit Takes Manhattan The Hobbit Goes to Hell Hobbit X Hobbit 3: In Space Hobbit in da Hood The Hobbit: Sex & the Shire Bilbo: First Hobbit Part II Tyler Perry's Hobbit: Madea Goes to Middle-Earth Godzilla vs. the Smaug Monster Let's keep it going people!
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Oh Peter, where's the guy we used to love because he made these little miracles of movies on tiny budgets that were fun, funny, inventive at every turn and, most of all, didn't give a shit about what studios and critics thought..? Fuck Tolkien. Move on. Do something new. And if your intention is to 'own the box office for three consecutive holiday seasons' then AICN ain't the place for you. Really. Don't bother anyway because 'Les Misérables' is going to kick all-comers into touch this Christmas and steal every cent you might think is coming The Hobbit's way.
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A Hobbit Christmas Carol 21 Shire Street Brokeback Mount Doom The Hobbit 6:Dwarves on Patrol Bilbo and the Bear Get Bilbo The Mighty Morphin Power Hobbits Teenage Mutant Ninja Hobbits Bilbo and Gandolff Get The Munchies Bilbo and Gandolff's Bogus Journey Smokey and The Hobbit The Great Hobbit Caper Fawlty Two Towers
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All the sets, props, and costumes are all still there. If they dont do it now, then the sets will be trashed, costumes sold, and actors moving on. It would cost millions to get another Tolkien film started up in the future. Makes the third film a far cheaper option. Plus, its PJ. I'm sure it would be made with the same love and care as all his other films. I'd go see it.
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I would do it like this: 1. Bag End to capture of dwarves by Mirkwood elves. 2. Rescue of dwarves to death of Smaug 3. Aftermath of Smaug’s death (culminating in Battle of 5 Armies) to Bilbo’s return to Bag End. Actually, I think that could work pretty well. I am feeling more positive about the decision to make three movies. I choose to believe that it is not a cash grab, at least not on PJ’s part. I hope we still get extended editions, though. Is that greedy?
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July 26, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST
National Lampoon's Lonely Mountain Vacation (AKA Hobbit 3)
by zer0cool2k2
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July 26, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
The Good (part 1), The Bad (Part 2), and The Hobbit Part 3
by zer0cool2k2
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Your response to kildeer’s Penthouse comment was hilarious.
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but it is a total tragedy and would have little resemblance to LotR or The Hobbit. It’s just one of many Silmarillion stories that could make great films. Only the first part of the the Silmarillion deals with the creation of the Earth and interactions between gods. The stuff prior to the first age would not be filmable, but after the Noldor return to Middle Earth there are a ton of great stories from the first and second ages that could me made into movies. Children of Hurin would be best because it is the only one of those stories that Tolkien actually fleshed out in detail, in an unfinished book that was only recently published after being edited and completed by Christopher Tolkien. I really hope that at some point in my life the Tolkien estate decides to let someone make Silmarillion-based movies. Perhaps Christopher’s son will be more open-minded about the idea.
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Sorry, couldn't resist.
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July 26, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST
Or "Rise of the Unexpected Journey that Rose to Hear and Back again"
by Darth Macchio
Though that might be too long. Day by day - Jackson starts to look more and more like Lucas. It always starts small. Even the tiniest spec grows to a mountain of horribly stinking shit. And before you know it, he's scowling at "fans" and telling us he won't make another Middle-Earth movie cause we'll just call him names and be mean to him again.
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July 26, 2012, 12:21 p.m. CST
I wouldn't say that any of THE SILMARILLION is unfilmable...
by FlickaPoo
some of my favorite parts of the Jackson movies are the more mythical in tone flashbacks to the Last Alliance etc. Personally, I'd love to see SILMARILLION treated as an experimental series of movies or shorts by different directors...a sort of JIM HENSON'S THE STORYTELLER for grownups. A mix of live action, animation, moving illustrations...whatever it takes.
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I'm not holding out high hopes for the idea of a trilogy, and if it happens, the middle entry is especially likely to be kind of shit. But the first part is apparently going to cover the most fun and interesting bits of the book, anyway, so I'm not too fussed. One wonderful, magical Hobbit film would be completely worth two rubbish sequels.
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July 26, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
Read these bits from the Appendices. There's plenty to work with...
by ttomato
http://ce.sharif.edu/~safarnejad/files/books/jrr7.pdf Saruman discovers that Sauron's servants are searching the Anduin near Gladden Fields, and that Sauron therefore has learned of Isildur's end. He is alarmed, but says nothing to the Council. Gandalf goes to Dol Guldur. Sauron retreats and hides in the East. The Watchful Peace begins. The Nazgûl remain quiet in Minas Morgul. Thorin Oakenshield and Gandalf visit Bilbo in the Shire. Bilbo meets Sméagol-Gollum and finds the Ring. In the late summer of that same year (2941) Gandalf had at last prevailed upon Saruman and the White Council to attack Dol Guldur, and Sauron retreated and went to Mordor, there to be secure, as he thought, from all his enemies. The White Council meets; Saruman agrees to an attack on Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to prevent Sauron from searching the River. Sauron having made his plans abandons Dol Guldur. The Battle of the Five Armies in Dale. Death of Thorin II. Bard of Esgaroth slays Smaug. Dáin of the Iron Hills becomes King under the Mountain (Dáin II). 2942 Bilbo returns to the Shire with the Ring. Sauron returns in secret to Mordor. 2944 Bard rebuilds Dale and becomes King. Gollum leaves the Mountains and begins his search for the 'thief' of the Ring. We get to meet Radagast the Brown...that's a dream come true right there!
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So the same guy that cut Christopher Lee's Scenes suddenly needs to film more stuff and find more story? Blah
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July 26, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
I think The Music of the Ainur, for example, would be difficult to film.
by frank
It could be possible to make movies in which all of the characters are gods, but they wouldn’t exactly be relatable characters. It would probably have to be animated because it would be too expensive to do as live action, and likely wouldn’t make much money. I think it is after you get to Feanor and the Silmarils that you have the real potential for films to be made. An entire movie dealing with the Last Alliance would be cool, for sure.
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wikiepedia says its 310 pages. that's about equal to each of the three lotr films isn't it?
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They look NOTHING like I imagined them to look like from having read the book. Which sucks. Instead of the colorful beards and hoods we get brown, gray and grunge. Like Harry Potter landed in Middle Earth. Crap.
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But it wont be because Christopher Tolkien wont let it be.........there are sections of The Silmarillion that are full self contained stories "Of Beren and Lúthien" and some of the rest of "The History of the Silmarils" could possibly be made but im doubtful that it will be anytime soon
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"...because it would be too expensive to do as live action, and likely wouldn’t make much money". For sure, that's why I'd love to see it as a more arty and lower budget sort of thing. It'll never happen, but it's pretty to think so. Imagine The Music Of The Ainur as a mostly animated, adult oriented FANTASIA type sequence? ...and I'd kill to see Túrin Turambar or Beren and Lúthien with a dark and more minimal VALHALLA RISING approach.
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If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain this... They're not just adapting The Hobbit. They are also adapting Tolkien's supplementary material that he provided at the end of The Return of The King. - Necromancer - Dol Guldur - War of the Dwarves and Orcs - Durin's Ring etc. etc.
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Outside of checking Amazon, etc, I believe they're all individually in the 400-500 page range. Of course, the breaking into three separate physical books was not initially intended (Lord of the Rings is a 'novel' not a trilogy of novels, etc) so, technically, it's more like 1200-1500 or so pages in total length. Someone earlier said they could read The Hobbit inside of 9 hours (ie - the guesstimated time 3 hobbit films would take given Jackson's history with the material) - that's probably true. It's been a while since I've read it but I can recall at least 2 times in the book (probably more) where song lyrics are written out over 3 or 4 pages so even calling it in the 400 page range is being a bit liberal (always hated those endless lyrics - I get it's a kids book but I think I'd have hated 4 or 5 pages of nothing but lyrics even more if I was a kid).
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July 26, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
The Infamous Billy The Kidd should really have been more thorough re: "the extra material"...
by FlickaPoo
eight talkbackers blowing nine talkbackers don't seem to grasp the concept.
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If you have not happened to have read Lord of the Rings - please do so as quickly as you can. My opinion is one of billions so it is what it is but I've read most all the "geekier" classics (Dracula, Frankenstein, Jekyll&Hyde, Inferno, etc, etc) and Lord of the Rings is not only the very best "classic" book I've ever read but simply the best book I've ever read period. Only 2 times out of hundreds of books did I actually get a lump in my throat and almost broke down in tears - The Lord of the Rings was one of those books. Simply fucking brilliant writing and perfectly GEEK while still being regarded as "classic fiction". (Most "classic" fiction I've read is good but not holy shit flip out good - TLotR is that and much more). Read The Hobbit too - try and get a good hardback version as many have really great illustrations (plus better to grab them now before they all have Freeman and McKellan all over the covers).
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July 26, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
Music of the Ainur' needs to be done like the opening of '2001
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Epic visuals tied to music, and no dialogue whatsoever. But, of course, that would probably be too 'arty' for the studios.
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July 26, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
^ Gah - Kakii beat me to it. And I thought of it hours ago.
by Gary Makin
Shit.
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FRIED GREEN LEMBAS AT THE WHITE WIZARD CAFE.
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FATTY BOLGER AND THE TEMPLE OF FOOD
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Actually PJ if youre reading this and you need some inspiration about new material for the third movie - then why not bring in those two fan faves Fatty Bolger and Tom Bombadil. Heres the pitch. Fatty Bolger turns up at Tom Bombadils cottage and proceeds to eat him out of house and home much to Bombadils dismay (Bombadil played by Ben Stiller). You could even bring in Eddie Murphy as a new character Tokenus Blak to keep cotton knight and all the other aicn trolls happy. It'd be like BIG MOMMAS MIDDLE EARTH HOUSE. This shit writes itself!
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July 27, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
The thinner Peter Jackson got, the more bloated his movies became.
by Gary Makin
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It took George Lucas 20 years to go batshit crazy and start fucking up everything he touched. PJ has managed this feat in half the time!
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