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SPOILER ALERT! AICN COMICS/POPTARDS PODCAST: The @$$Holes chime in on THE DARK KNIGHT RISES!!!
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Ambush Bug here. The below hour-plus long conversation took place between myself and my fellow @$$holes Matt Adler, Humphrey Lee, and our host Johnny Destructo of PoptardsGo.com as we talked about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES peppered of course, with wanton jack@$$$ery!
Looks for more of the Holes rambling about comics on Poptards, follow us on Facebook here, and in future AICN COMICS columns!
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...you ear raping assholes.
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Is there any way to download this so I can put it on my cell? I usually listen to podcasts when I'm driving.
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This has been brought up with a couple of people before. You have an issue with your browser. For the majority of others, it works fine.
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you can subscribe on iTunes to get it on your cell, assuming you have iTunes or mp3s on your cell? click'em the link: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/poptards-podcast/id333188664?ign-mpt=uo%3D4
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did you not first download the ear-roofies?
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July 23, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
I have Android, not iPhone, but I'll give it a shot.
by SupermanIsMyGod
Thanks.
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Let me know if you still have a problem and I'll email you an MP3
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I'm using Chrome with adblocker and still had to be startled with that...won't click on any more Ambush Bug articles from now on.
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July 23, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST
Alfred aka Michael Cane was great to give that emotion and feeling is amazing!!!
by Professor_Bedlam
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July 23, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
I agree with the guy who thought TDK turned into a mess at the end. I felt the majority of TDKR felt like the mess at the end of TDK (crowded is a good word)
by Autodidact
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July 23, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST
hey rupee...maybe just turn down your speakers before clicking on Ambush Bug articles? no?
by Poptard_JD
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and I definitely agree that it loses steam after the hospital scene... I had done the marathon screening for DKR and my gf was planning on showing up just for the DKR itself...I went out to wait for her around the time of the boat scene and didn't really feel like I was missing anything too amazing while I was waiting in the hall, so I guess that says something. I still love the movie as a whole though
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July 23, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
also: rupee..don't blame all of Ambush's articles..it's only the Spoiler Alert articles you need to worry about.
by Poptard_JD
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July 23, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
I was surprised that I DIDN'T. When the reveal happened, I slapped my forehead.
by Poptard_JD
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Seriously, check for any updates on all the programs you're using.
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...mostly due to the fact that my opinion of this film is so different than what theirs was. I thought all of the faults of this film were completely overshadowed by its triumphs. Its kind of neat how we can all see the same movie is so many different ways. Personally, I loved it and thought it was stronger than the Dark Knight overall. The trilogy as a whole is fantastic.
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July 23, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
dranem: I think we all ranged from "liked" to "loved" this movie and the trilogy as a whole IS fantastic. Couldn't agree more. We each just had some issues with it
by Poptard_JD
what was your favorite scene?
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July 23, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST
I was looking for Talia because one of my big hope for a twist was the return of Ra's as Bane's motivator
by Autodidact
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July 23, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST
Loved it but I hope the next reboot is more like Paul Dini-esque
by versatol
This is probably the first GREAT trilogy in the history of film. I loved Nolan's take on the character. Now part of me wants to see a more "comic booky" and less "real" version. Spandex suit. Lots of gadgets. Long faced gun toting Joker who never dies. Killer Croc and Black Mask and English Alfred. Something close to Arkham City and the old Paul Dini cartoons. But after Nolan, stuff like that might come across as cheesy. Whoever does Batman next is gonna have a TOUGH job...
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July 23, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
This is probably the first GREAT trilogy in the history of film.
by Corman
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!
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July 23, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
Disappointed they replaced VENOM with painkillers... why not keep it or use the fear gas that Bane's frigging mentor used to train his rival, creating a nice inversion in their symmetry?
by Autodidact
In any case, changing it to painkillers was just stupid.
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July 23, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
Playing Arkahm Asylum/City, I had gut reactions to certain situations in the film
by Autodidact
Mainly the urge to use batarangs and the batclaw on Bane's mask.
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I loved that rush of adrenaline Bane seems to get after Batman keeps clobbering and damaging the mask and Bane starts feeling that intense pain pour in. Absolutely brutal.
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and have your guests use good mics. just put some care into it.
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The Half in the Bag stuff is just brilliant.
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thats a sentiment i share. Sure its a bit messy in part and something a bit more like arkham city in style would have been great, but what Nolans achieved is quite impressive. <p> People like harry shitting on the film crying that it isnt Dini through and through just bemuse me. I think a live action version of that which straddled the fantastical, sombre and dramatic which was also accessible as to allow large budgets in the way Nolans has would be incredibly hard to pull off. <p> And before someone cries 'Avengers managed fantastical', I also liked that but I think the kind of Batman some on here crave is a different kettle of fish entirely. Nolan and Whedon have provided two of the best blockbuster flicks in years and for that as a viewer im grateful, im not interested in playing 'what if they had done this / taken this direction'.
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Three scenes spring to mind when I look back. The opening reveal with Bane on the plane (complete with an appearance by Aiden Gillen aka Littlefinger from Game of Thrones as the CIA agent), and the first reappearance of Batman in the motorcycle chase scene when the lights flickered off in the tunnel.This movie also had some great smaller moments, like when the Bat hovered over the stolen tumblers and released an EMP to disable them to signal the start of the "war" between the cops and thugs. Even at almost 3 hours, the movie went at a brisk pace for me and even the cons were heavily outdone by the pros. It felt like its own mini-trilogy with three distinct movements.
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July 23, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
Talkback Shitheads Can't Spoil My Utter Enjoyment and LOVE of this Trilogy
by Smarty_Feldman
Suck it, haters.
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July 23, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
Nolan's nor Burtons nor Dini's take on Batman is definative, which is why the tale of the Bat can be retold, and retold, and retold...
by Shaun D Lyons
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July 23, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
@nametaken: can you send me your money so I can afford to make it more professional?
by Poptard_JD
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July 23, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Would most love to see an Arkham Asylum / City approach - but TDKR will do me for a few years.
by Shaun D Lyons
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Well done I love the fact you have all 4 people talking with various menas in this podcast, but before you post it, you should take the entire audio and Normalize it to ( -3 db ) so that the volume of each individual is the same and it does not vary between each person, I could barely hear one and then someone would be screaming through my speakers. Look forward to your next podcast! :D On a side note here is my Spoiler free review I like to call : THE ONE MINUTE MOVIE REVIEW. I recorded it after I saw the film myself, and normalized the audio. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3821884/ONE%20MINUTE%20MOVIE%20REVIEW%20THE%20DARK%20KNIGHT%20RISES.mp3
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July 23, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST
The validity of this movie will be argued about forever!
by MainMan2001
Good point about it being a Gotham movie rather then a specific character movie!! I loved it even though I had so many problems of it. Most of the point here are my points as well. The sheer scope of the movie is positively jaw dropping. It's fucking crazy.
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July 23, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
Oh...and has anyone seen or heard from Harry or is he still in the shame closet?
by Shaun D Lyons
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you should take the entire audio and Normalize it to ( -3 db )
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July 23, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
I can't download the file from the link above, if you post me a Link to download I will normalize it for you :D
by Lazerman21
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I wrote an entire post..I wasn't telling YOU to normalize it..I copied and pasted you telling me to normalize it... The rest of the post was asking you HOW do I normalize it, but this site deletes your post except for what you copy/paste for some reason. I "audio hijack" our Skype conversations and then drag into Garageband...when/how do I normalize it?
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What made you go hmmm @thefreshestthing?
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July 23, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST
Here's the direct link to the MP3 if you want to normalize it (olive branch, Poptard_jd)
by Autodidact
http://static3.aintitcool.com/assets2012/aicncomics/PopTardsbatmanpodcast.mp3
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I use AUDACITY, Import the Audio into AUDACITY, and then select EFFECTS/ NORMALIZE and it will select the entire audio and then normalise it, with your hour of audio it may tale a few minutes to do it :D Then to save it as an MP3 you select EXPORT but you have to have the MP3 Encoder which is a seperate add-on for Audacity.
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July 23, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Thanks, Auto but I have the mp3 because I created it :) I appreciate it though sir!
by Poptard_JD
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July 23, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST
crap, I've never used Audacity...I'll google normalizing in GB..thanks for the tip!
by Poptard_JD
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July 23, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
Well let me know if you have any problems (Pro Voice Artist here) :P
by Lazerman21
And if I can help out, let me know, I always do ONE MINUTE MOVIE reviews for my fave films that I see on their opening weekend. :)
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July 23, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
I normalized it real quick because I'm sitting here working anyways and wanted to see how long it would take. About 45 seconds. Where to e-mail if you want it?
by Autodidact
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July 23, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
Adobe Audition. It's part of Creative Suite. I think there's a 30 day trial of Audition on their site.
by Autodidact
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July 23, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Saw it last night in IMAX. Pure awesome-ness! One of the best endings of all times. Fucking fantastic!
by bat725
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July 23, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
I couldn't listen to this, but the comics boards are the only ones worth participating in, so--
by Laserhead
I really just didn't like it. Over-stuffed, illogical, with forced emotion shoe-horned in as someone cries every ten minutes-- Batman is in the movie for maybe fifteen minutes and gets his ass kicked A LOT. Also-- I just couldn't believe this: Batman retired eight years ago. So there BARELY ever was a Batman. He became Batman, fought the Joker, then retired. WTF? But forget that, as a film it was a jumbled mess of operatic reaching which rather than 'be important' seems to keep hitting the audience over the head with a frying pan that says 'This is important!' I'm so glad this trilogy exists, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about when they say this is a good movie.
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July 23, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
Just an FYI...your eps on iTunes don't seem to be updating.
by superhero
They're not updating to include this episode. Maybe clear the cache on the site via your Wordpress interface? My iTunes only shows last week's as the most current episode. Sorry! Maybe it's just me?
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July 23, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
Wait, I thought the beginning of TDK conveyed a 'he's been doing this for a while now' vibe....
by 3774
...wasn't he even complaining about the evolution of his suit at one point? I only saw it once, maybe I'm wrong...
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Yeah, I'm not totally positive, but I really got the impression he retired after the death of Harvey Dent. When the 'Dent Act' somehow cleaned up all crime (how stupid does that sound?) He said something about the evolution of the suit, but I just took it to refer to how the suit changed from Begins to TDK (where he modified the suit during the movie)-- I am NOT hating on this movie-- I'm so glad this trilogy exists, and I'm thankful that Nolan tried throughout in all three movies to make something that trascended easy genre categorizations. At it's best it was the best, and at it's worst it was better than most (I mean the trilogy as a whole). But jeez I sat there, waiting and waiting as the minutes and flurries of surface plot movement were clunkily arranged, waited, thinking 'Any minute now... it's all gonna pull together into a good movie' Somewhere around the 2hr 10 min mark I was thinking, 'You know, I don't think there's enough time left for this to become a good movie.' This is my last fan-bitch for whoever tackles Batman next: Please just put him in some version of that tough snowboarder spandex/athletic material and just have Lucius Fox say 'This is next-gen Kevlar, micro-carbon fibres. Fits like spandex and weighs as much.' I say this because it is really, really impossible to fight well in a robot suit. And in would have been impossible to do anything but fall down in the Keaton suit.
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July 23, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
i'm been reading Batman comics for almost 35 years now...
by sonnyhooper
.....and i can say without question that the Dark Knight Rises is a great Batman film. it brings a fitting and satisfying conclusion to Nolans vison of of the character. i really liked the fact that Nolan finally gave me a picture of a Bruce Wayne as a fully formed human being who actually was forced to grow up. thas something i've NEVER seen in a batman comic and probably never will. because obviously they want to sell batman comics until the end of time so the character will always stay in a state of arrested developement. <p> and there is the rub. because for all the complaints i hear (or read) about this film seem to be centered around the fact that everyone has their own vision of who and what batman is and should be and therefor dislike the film (or at least parts of it) because Nolan dared to step outside this comfort zone. and thats really a shame because there is a lot more going on in this film than anyone seems willing to give it credit for. Harrys pitiful child-throwing-a-tantrum-in-a-toy-store review (i want that word review put in quotes) is a prime example of everything people seem to dislike about this film. i would say it's because Harry and people of his ilk just don't get it but i know thats not the case. i know that these people are being obtuse on purpose because they want something different than what they got on the screen. which is fine, but.... just have the balls to say that and stop holding your personal agenda against the film we have instead. i could at least respect that. <p> but anyway, i digress. i feel that i can't talk about this film withou addressing the tragedy in Aurora. my heart goes out to all the people in that theater in Colorado whos lives will be forever changed because of a madman with a gun. how brutally ironic is it that the most horrific act of gun violence in America today will be forever linked to a Batman film? i do sincerly wish we lived in a world with masked superheros... not villains.
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Sorry- I misread the front of your post. TDK said he'd been around a little while, but since the first film ended with The Joker announcing his presence, it never felt to me like he'd been doing more than maybe a year, tops.
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...I have a strange, totally neutral attitude for going in to see it (I will this weekend). I loved the Burton films, hated the Shumacher films, *hated* Batman Begins, *loved* The Dark Knight, and am largely ignorant and indifferent to the different comic book incarnations. So....all the pluses and minuses and apathy equal no expectations and an open mind. I did see The Uh-May-Zing Bug-Boy last weekend, though. And It. Was. Teh Awe-Sumz. SO SO GOOD. Yeah, I agree that he wasn't 'nerdy' enough, and the whole revenge hunt wasn't fully in line with the character, but I bought it all, and loved it. Seeing a live-action movie wrapped around a live actor instead of 3 live action movies wrapped around a glaring cartoon character was refreshing.
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I'm glad you like ASM!! That was a far more "fun" movie going experience for me..
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July 23, 2012, 2:43 p.m. CST
I'm no comic book fanboy, never read a Batman comic in my life, and I still disliked DKR, not because it wasn't faithful to the source, but because it was a pretty terrible movie.
by SergeantStedenko
I am, however, a fan of Nolan's previous films, but not to the point that he can hand me a shit sandwich and I will eat it happily, because he told me it was hand-carved prime rib roast beef au jus.
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.....i've never read anyone make a compelling case for why they think it's a bad movie other than fan boy nit picking nonsense and vague complaints about it being clunky (again clunky should in quotes) or that it's too dark and depressing. <p> or..... you know, clever (again... quote unquote) one liners that really don't mean anything. but hey whatever, i like the cheech and chong reference in your screen name sergent. <P> Daves not here.
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July 23, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
DKR is a sensational end to an incredible trilogy ... People need to appreciate this, could have been so different.
by GINGE_MUPPET
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July 23, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST
sonny, ok here's a few reasons why DKR was a bad movie:
by SergeantStedenko
1. A bland/uninteresting villain who basically ends up being just an errand boy. Imagine if Hardy was asked to bering just half of what he gave to his performance in Bronson? How can you follow up the Joker, one of the greatest villains ever put to screen. with such a nonentity dud like Nolan's version of Bane? 2. The voiceover for Bane never felt like it was actually coming from the character onscreen. It sounded like a cheesy voiceover, which is a $250,000 movie is just inexcusable. My guess is that after Nolan received the initial feedback that Bane's voice was impossible to understand that her had to re-record Bane's lines and that is why they feel detached from the other audio in the film. 3. The police act so stupid and I mean Keystone Cop stupid. Let's pull the entire police force off of the criminals who just committed a big crime and have them go after Batman. So, what do the police do when one of the perpetrators drives right through an entire battalion of police cars? Just let him drive on by, because they were told to get Batman. Dumb! Police stupidity Part 2: The Police Commissioner goes down the sewer, discovers an underground hide out, gets shot in the process, but when he tells the acting Commish to send officers down there, he doesn't believe him even though he is in the hospital with the man and can see that he was shot by someone. Police Stupidity Part 3: So, when they finally do decide to send police into the sewers, they send the ENTIRE police force. You heard that right: THE ENTIRE POLICE FORCE. Into the sewers. TO BE CONTINUED...
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4. The movie has Dark Knight in the title, yet Batman is only in the movie for about 20% of the film, if that. I actually started to get uncomfortable thinking about all the parents who brought their kids to see a Batman movie and their hero who they came to see was hardly even in it. The movie should have been called The Rise and Fall of Bane or The Boy Wonder Rises. As I suggested in another thread, Nolan could have easily solved this problem (and it is a problem that the main character in movie about said character is barely gets any screen time) had he put Gordon-Levitt in the Darkwing costume when he was tracking down Bane and battling his minions. Thematically, it would have made sense, that someone would want to give the city hope now that their hero was missing and it would have gone a long way to pleasing fans. Instead we get limp-dicked reference to Robin in the Epilogue. TO BE CONTINUED...
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First, this film is the best movie of the year so far. Yes, it is better than the Avengers. Bane is the errard boy you moron! He is because he is working for someone else. The Police Commissioner does what he does, because no one believes him anymore, after he becomes compromised. The film is also, about Robin and you have to give him screen time to get that character arc across. Batman is in it more than you think. It is just you comic book morons that think films like this are made only for you. This is a reality base Batman film, so it is not going to give you guys the usual cotton candy shit you expect. I love how you fucks thought this film was going to be the best, and then find out that it is a differernt film. It is still good, but just not for you guys.
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You really think it made sense for Bane to be able to drive straight through a battalion of police cars on his motorcycle and the police not do a damned thing despite the fact that they were chasing him less than a minute ago? That's reality based?! Gimme a f*cking break, man!!!
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....just a couple more counters to all the negatives i hear from people that don't really hold up. <P> 1. Baman quit because his girlfriend died. <p> well actually no. sure thats part of it but not the whole reason. As Matt said in the pod cast the Dent act was another reason. It helped to rid organized crimes grip on Gotham, anyone paying attention to the first two films knows that the mob was running everything in Gotham. is it that had to believe that if the mob was shut down that normal cops couldn't handle petty street crime? how inept do you think the poliece are in any givem big city in america? and this is a Gotham without any supercriminals. the joker was the first and last super criminal because Bruce could see that the joker was a response to his Batman, if the batman retired then no other freaks would rise up to oppose him. <P> never mind the fact that Bruce held himself responsable for not only the death of rachel but for harvey dent as well. not to mention all the other cops amd people who the joker killed in an attempt to de-mask batman. so Bruce actually taking a little personal responsibility and removing batman from the public view is horrible why? i reality it isn't itswhat a sane, rational, grown up would HVE to do. <p> 2.the wayne enterprises corporate take over stuff is boring, <p> ok fine sure, it's not the most exciting plot point. but it is a plot point regardless. the whole point of that wall street stuff was that Dagget was trying to take over wayne corp. and he thought he was using Bane and Miranda Tate to his end. but the twist was that Bane and Miranda (talia) was actually using Dagget for their plans. this acheived two things: 1. it make batman come out of retirement, 2. it makes bruce wayne have to trust Miranda tate and let her in on the location of the reactor. so while its not the most awesome moment in the film it serves the plot and moves things forward. <p> 3. Alfred cries all the time. <p> this is one of the more pathetic, lame ass complaints i've read. first of all he cries once at the end when hes at the grave of the man he raised from a boy. if you got a problem with that, you are probably dead inside and should seek help. and second, have you actually been paying any attention to micheal caines performance as alfred over the course of the last two movies at all? this profound sadness has been there under the surface for three films now just waiting to burst forth. it's a huge payoff for those of us who have been paying attention and knew that Alfred was just barely keeping it together this whole time. <p> i could go on and on poking holes in all the complaints. but why don't we save each other the time and get to the bottom line. after the avengers came out the dark knight rises had no chance of getting a fair shake from a centian percentage of the geek comunity because now the pendelum has shifted and the taste in superhero flicks is focused on big, dumb, fun. and thats fine nothing wrong with that. i'm kinda all set with the grim and gritty, hyper-realistic nolan style too. but like i said, just have the balls to admit that and stop shitting all over this film because it is what it is.
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July 23, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST
This is probably the first GREAT trilogy in the history of film.
by Larry_Sanders
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! Seriously.
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July 23, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
Why am I not surprised that someone named JarJar is the first to call names?
by Poptard_JD
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As someone who desparately wants to love this movie but has some gripes, I find myself agreeing on both sides!!
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July 23, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST
Is it just me? or did Batman's cowl look alot better in this than TDK?
by cgih8r
In TDK I could get over how fat his head looked. Maybe they bulked up the neck because he was proportioned alot better in this.
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In the new cut of the opening sequence Bane speaks LOUDER, slower, and more clearly with a higher pitch..but the delivery and performance suffered. Hardy had it right the first time. Because of all you idiots that complained "i can't understand what he's saying waaah" The rest of us understood him fine. YES for a change it was your fault you twats.
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Nolan can pat himself on the back for a job well done. For me, I would rank them; 1. TDKR 2. Batman Begins 3. TDK IMO, not only the best of the trilogy, but the best Batman flick ever. Thank you Mr. Nolan.
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It has everything in the right amounts. Incredibly ambitious on a thematic level and nearly completely pulls it off (unlike TDK which, though interesting and still OK, is something of a mess of a film). Gone, too, is all the choppy editing of BB and TDK. TDKR is VERY smoothly put together from beginning to end... all the characters and thematic elements are carefully worked out. Top notch filmmaking all the way.
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July 23, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST
what the heck im bored, and always like skeet shooting..
by sonnyhooper
1. bane is bland <P> the character of bane has never been anything other than a plot device in the comics. he existed for no other reason than to break the bat. IMO this is the first time i've actually been intrested in the character and a lot of that has to do with Hardys performance. not only was he physically imposing but his cold, logical, vocal inflection gave him much more power and sense of menace than he EVER had in the comics. <p> 2. Banes voice <p> i gotta give this one to you. his voice sounded dropped in at some points. but as someone said above, i think the studio made Nolan do the over dubbing because they didn't like initial fan reaction. personally i can't really blame Warner Brothers for wanting to make sure you can understand the villian in their 250 million dollar movie. but again i think the blame there falls on the nervous studio suits and bean counters not Nolan. <p> 3. police stupidity <p> if you notice whenever the cops do something stupid it's because they are ordered to do so by Mathew Modeans character. and the whole point of said character is that he is more intrested in making a name for himself than doing the right thing at any given time. the whole point was to show how Gordon was actually a very good police commish. and that as soon as he was out of action the force suffered from his lack of leadership. <p> 4. Batmans not in the movie much <p> well, i didn't have my stopwatch out but i'm willing to bet that batman/bruce wayne is on screen for more than 20 % of the running time. granted i'm not a little kid so i wasn't dissapointed by the fact that Bale didn't wear the costume the whole time. like i said, i liked the fact that we got a bruce wayne that was more well rounded, the character is much more than a mask and cape..... regardless of what other people might tell you. and i'll say this no matter how unpopular it may be.....this is not a movie for little kids. any parent who takes a kid under 13 to see this is downright irresponsable imo. <p> and as far as the character of robin john blake goes, i don't know what to tell you. i liked the idea of the passing of the torch, so to speak. but lets be clear i don't think that the character was ever ment to be ROBIN proper. the fact that his real first name was robin was just a little wink into the camera to show respect to the history of that character. almost like an in joke. i felt it was safe to assume Joseph gordon Levitt went on to be a new Batman and never robin or nightwing or darkwing or whatever. in fact the whole idea of turning Wayne Mannor into a home for orphans was very inspired, almost giving one the idea that Batman could live on forever as long as there were people willing to take up his cause.
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July 23, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
Cgih8r is wrong, sargeantstendenko....I was reading ur posts
by Poptard_JD
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July 24, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST
I agree it wasn't bad but I saw a greater movie in there somewhere
by Wcwlkr
And maybe it's just me but was anyone else bothered with the way Bane went out? I mean it just kind of irked me, I mean they totally dropped the venom aspect. So this guy is just this physical beast, & then instead of having Batman finish kicking his ass he just gets shot. Ugh it just kind of irked the hell out of me.
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Why did this story get pulled from the latest news section? Had to go to the bottom of the page in the comic section to find it. Is Harry and the powers that be at AICN really that threatened by any open and honest debate over DKR? How sad is that? <p>
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July 24, 2012, 8:29 a.m. CST
that's just how it crumbles sometimes..news story push older stories down the chain..but..
by Poptard_JD
but if you go to the bottom of the news section on the first page and click on MORE... http://www.aintitcool.com/section/coolnews You can see all the posts listed by the day they were posted!
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July 24, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
wcwlkr, yes, I agree, the way Bane went out was lame and anticlimactic, to say the least.
by SergeantStedenko
I was actually going to get to it, but then Cgih8r told me to stop, because nobody cared what I thought. But, then potard_jd said he did care, (thanks poptard!) so here it goes: The first fight between Bane and Batman in the sewer is one of the best scenes in the movie. It was awesome to see such a long drawn slugfest between the hero and protagonist. And it was crucial for tow main reasons: 1. the two men get to gauge and evaluate each other in combat, 2. Bane breaks Batman's back and defeats him which sets up Wayne's soul searching and big comeback. The final battle between Bane and Batman should have been EPIC. It should have been at the very least as good as their previous battle, except with Batman coming out on top through guile as opposed to brute strength. It should not have been a formality, which is what it felt like. Part of this I feel has to do with Nolan's need to reveal Talia Ghul in the midst of it. Not only does this neuter Bane, but it killed any hope of an EPIC battle between the two, which Nolan foregoes for a big twist that was unearned by the script and felt tacked on. Back to the fight. I don't see how anyone could be satisfied with this brief, uninspired showdown between the protagonist and antagonist. Even if you liked or loved the movie, you have to admit that you wouldn't have minded something a little more exciting in this fight. I feel like Bane's mask coming off and revealing his face to be hideously deformed, not unlike Two-Face, would have at least added a visual punch in the face to the audience which could have juiced up the scene. TO BE CONTINUED... Maybe.
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July 24, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
These guys should have their Nerd Cards revoked, as they don't actually pau enough attention to know the details that they bitch about.
by Zappatude
1. The Bat (flying machine) carries the bomb out at least 100 miles, based on the perspective of the mushroom cloud. A very safe distance from a low yield bomb of that type. 2. It was explained clearly that Bane's mask provided him some relief from the constant agony caused by the prison doctors' attempt to treat him after he was assaulted by the inmates during the girl's escape. 3. The Daggett/Bane/Miranda subplot was necessary to: a. Bankrupt Wayne b. Use Daggett's construction company/contracts with the city in order to work while rigging the city-wide explosives without any interference. c. That Bane's motivation wasn't about money. He couldn't be bought. 4. Blake's character is germane to the Batman legend, and is treated with the narrative respect he should be given. While this movie has a lot of information, I for one enjoy this. I liked the Avengers just fine. It was fun fluff for the whole family wherein you can turn your brain off and enjoy the spectacle. The Dark Knight Rises is a movie that you must pay attention to. All of your nitpicks are explained if you LISTEN. A real movie geek craves information, they don't shirk it because it's too much work.
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July 24, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
zappatude, it's not that we don't understand the intention
by SergeantStedenko
It's that the intention is stupid, illogical and not realistic, which if realism was Nolan's goal, then big Fail on his part.
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Since the only nuke I've seen go off was when I had just pushed a trespassing teen into a ditch to save him, and I wound up becoming a rage-monster, I'll have to assume u are correct, since it's clear that u've seen many nukes go off at varying distances from yourself, in order to come up with your information! Also that information was there but that doesn't make it necessary or....INTERESTING, which is the problem. Bane's mask provides WHAT KIND of relief to WHAT TYPE of injury?? Please help me on this one using your "real movie geek" powers.
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July 24, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
I love that the first point in that pretentious rant was a made up fact.
by Poptard_JD
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July 25, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
Nolan's intention, as I know it, was to make a Batman movie.
by Zappatude
He also seems to like different 'tips of the hat' for various sections of his movies. This one had a lot of detail, much like a '60s/'70s spy/espionage movie (3 Days of The Condor, etc.). If you are only into fluffy movies like the Avengers (which, again, I enjoyed), I can see this not appealing to you, and that's perfectly okay. However, there are people in the world with minds that crave more detail. I loved all of the layers in this movie. Waaaay more fun than just watching Batman show up and beat some guys up, lather, rinse, repeat. Also, someone else' inability to estimate distance to the horizon based on contextual clues combined with visual evidence doesn't make me pretentious, it makes someone else ignorant.
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About eight hours into TDKR, I couldn't take any more and left the theatre with half the movie still to go. What an incredibly boring movie. Unbelievable: I've never been this bored. I wasn't a huge fan of TDK - although I did like it - but it's a masterpiece compared to TDKR. How on earth did this thing get passed by the studio? Boring, visually dull, non-descript villain. Very hard to hear what he was saying - but I had no interest in what he might have to say anyway. A story that defines the word "dullness". An absurdly long running time. And so on, I can't be bothered saying more.
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July 25, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST
zappatude, I completely agree that this film felt like a film from the 60s/70s in parts
by SergeantStedenko
And I love that Nolan does not buy into the MTV Music Video quick edit, Attention Deficit Disorder style of moviemaking that defines Hollywood films these days. And for 30 minutes of the film I was really starting to feel that I was going to see something truly great and profound. It's not that there is a lack of ides in this movie. I can see that Nolan is up to more than just making a crowd pleasing popcorn flick. But, I don't think that the story Nolan was trying to tell was as well thought out as his previous efforts and it sure as hell didn't come together to create an Epic moviegoing experience as you suggest. I still believe that Nolan is a great filmmaker and I will always be interested to see what he does next. Unfortunately, I am also glad that he will not have anything to do with Batman in the future. Maybe he needs to take a break from his brother and find another co-writer. Someone who is as good a screenwriter as Nolan is a visionary director.
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Other than just "I can just tell that it's 100 miles because I'm a real movie geek and other people are ignorant"
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...Wasn't from your made up "fact", though that was pretty funny. Actually, it was from you peppering your post with telling people they should have their nerd licenses revoked and that they aren't real movie geeks. Just because people disagree with your opinion doesn't make them ignorant or wrong, sonny-jim. It just makes it different. Nuff' said.
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July 25, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST
what does everyone think of BRONSON? I just watched it last night
by Poptard_JD
It was good, but I found myself wondering why I was watching it other than Tom Hardy's performance.
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If he's going to pass on the mantle, why would he fake his death, just so someone else can pretend to be him? It seems like he only does it to make the audience think he's dead. Does it serve any real purpose?
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This story didn't just get pushed down the chain by other newer stories. It got removed from its place on the chain alltogether. <p> But anyway to answer your other question; Bruce faking his own death allowed him to leave Wayne Manor to be the new home for the orphan children of Gotham. There's a line towards the end of the movie explaining how his bankruptcy left him with no other assets but he was allowed to leave Wayne Mannor to the state provided it be left to the children and remain that way. <p> And finally; zappatude may be pretentious but he might actually have a point. It seems to me a lot of the problems people have with the movie are things that actually get spelled out pretty clearly in the movie. The above example of Wayne faking his death to benefit the orphans of Gotham being a prime example of what hes talking about. <p> just saying.
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July 26, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
sure, that's why BRUCE WAYNE faked his death..very valid point.
by Poptard_JD
But why did BATMAN fake his death? Why would Bruce want the city of Gotham to think that Bats was dead? I would think it would be the opposite. Even if Bats was REALLY going to die, you would think he would set it up to look like he DIDN'T die so that the criminals of Gotham still feared him so that when the mantle was passed he would still be feared... Not, oh hey Gotham, Batman died saving the city, but here's another Batman! Am I making sense?
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The other thing that bugged me about Wayne faking his death isn't he taking a big risk just sitting out in the open of the cafe? Surely someone is going to pop up and say: 'excuse me but aren't you the previously wealthy but then bankrupted world famous playboy billionaire Bruce Wayne who was reportedly killed recently? And if it is indeed you then who is buried in your family plot and why didn't Alfred see who was in the coffin before it was closed?' Movies eh?
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Actually thinking about it there wouldnt be a body for the coffin anyway, Alfred wouldnt expect too much of Wayne to wash up after a nuke blast i guess... d'oh...
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....because when the *new* batman shows up in Gotham he will strike even more terror into the hearts of Gothams criminals. who would be forced to ask themselves...*is Batman immortal? are his methods supernatural?* <P> i think it just plays into the whole idea that Bruce wanted batman to be a symbol, a force of nature that can't be stopped. at this point in the story the whole urban legend aspect of the Batman myth will begin to become a factor as it (hypothetically) moves forward. <p> i really think a repeat viewing might help the people who have problems with the film. like i said before there is so much more going on in this film than the detractors seem willing to give it credit for or even appear to be paying attention to. i do admit Nolan gives the audience a lot to take in, and i understand why that might be a turn off to some people. but i do think the movie is much more rewarding to anyone paying close attention to the small, seemingly inconsequental details. <P> in many ways DARK KNIGHT RISES is much like The Godfather as viewed by Peter Griffin....as a movie..... *it insists upon itself*. granted it's up to the individual to determine if the point it's insisting on is worth it to them. but i don't think it should be dismissed as easily as some people seem to be willing...... almost anxious to reject on the surface.
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I can't wait to see it again, and I don't consider myself a detractor..I was saying this last night to a buddy..he was saying during our discussion of the movie "you keep bringing up problems you have with the film but then keep saying "but I still liked it!" my response was "well, even the worst parts of this movie are better than most other comic book movies, so of course I still like it despite its problems." believe me, I'm not blasting the film, and it's through these conversations wherein people point out things that I either didn't notice or forgot (I WAS in the same theater for almost 8 hours, watching the marathon, after all!) Great point about the immortality of the Batman legacy, btw. :)
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How would repeat viewing help me with the film? I was unable to sit through it the first time (I left about one and a half hours in - though it seemed like eight hours). My problem was that the film was so mind-numbingly boring that I was forced to leave or go mad. I say that as some one who enjoyed Batman Begins and really enjoyed (most of) The Dark Knight. Seeing the movie again wouldn't change the following: An extremely dull villain in whom I have no interest whatsoever. Completely daft when the Batman franchise already has an excellent villain - The Joker. What's wrong with using him again? And please don't say Heath Ledger is dead. There are other actors in the world. Off the top of my head, I can give you a list of outstanding candidates if you like. An utterly dull sub-plot about the business side of "Wayne Industries" that actually becomes the main plot. Are you f***ing kidding me? Even the movie Wall Street - which is ABOUT business - stayed well away from dwelling on actual business, focussing on characters instead. The same for other good movies that deal with the world of business/ stocks & shares etc - such as The Insider, Up in the Air, Thank You For Smoking etc. They all avoid the mistake of endless discussions/ scenes about shareholdings/ stock prices etc. The Dark Knight Rises, on the other hand, falls right into this hole and for all I can see, doesn't climb out of it. Crowds of boring thugs on the rampage for reasons of no particular interest. Explosions. Yes I've seen them in other movies. No substitute for a good story, I'm afraid. And that's just the stuff I can remember, because I seem to have blanked all the nonsense with Alfred's teary-eyed nonsense and.... oh I'm bored even thinking about it all.
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I thought Bronson was grotesque pretentious drivel. There was definitely a good story to be told about this man's life, but Refen decided to go the extra arty route, which to him I guess means, no plot, grotesque carnival dream sequences and lots of naked Tom Hardy screaming and rolling around in his own feces. It's no surprise Hardy got recognition for this role and his performance as you mention is the only reason to watch this exercise in navel gazing. If you have not seen it yet, I highly recommend Mesrine: Public Enemy #1 about a similar real life criminal played by Vincent Cassel instead. There are two parts which are each a separate film.
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....where the details might get a bit hazy. i gotta say as much of a fan as i am of these film i don't know if i could sit through all of them in one marathon. especially in a crowed movie theater. kudos to you for surviving that endurance test. personally i watched the first two films at home on the wed. and thrusday before i went to see it on friday. so the added time might have helped me enjoy the final chapter a bit more. again i feel these are films that need to be given the proper time and space to soak in and enjoy. it's like enjoying a fine cigar or single malt scotch, you have to take some time to let the experience wash over you IMO. <p> i would love to hear your thoughts about the film after your second viewing with a fresh set of eyes, so to speak. but i will say this, thats what i love most about RISES, it actually makes the first two movies that much better in my opinion. so much of the themes and ideas explored in BEGINS pay off so well in this final chapter and the mistakes and compromises made by the characters in TDK come down on everyone involved like a ton of bricks. to me thats what makes these films so great. all the little details from each film build up and expand upon each other and to see them all pay off in the end was something special, at least in my opinion.
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....i'm really at a loss of what to say to you. i guess if you were that bored then it's just not a movie for you. not everyone likes the same brand of vodka and thats all well and good. but i do wonder, if by your own admission, you couldn't get through the movie....... why would anything you have to *add* to this conversation be relevant, healthy, or mildly interesting? <p> come on man. don't be that guy.
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Why were all the cops who were underground for 5 months clean shaven and not looking like homeless people in police uniforms?
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"Don't be that guy"? What guy? The guy who appreciates quality movies and calls a bad movie when he sees it? Sorry, I HAVE to be that guy; I've no choice. By being THAT guy, I am able to say: Batman Begins is a good movie. The Dark Knight is a very good movie. The Dark Knight Rises is a poor movie (admittedly, based on the first half I saw). As to what I can contribute to a discussion, well, let's try this: If a movie can't generate an engaging plot and engaging characters within the first hour, then that movie has a serious problem. If you have an excellent, entertaining, well-established villain available (aka The Joker), then (and here's the stroke of genius) USE HIM! If, instead, you introduce a non-descript, unknown (to me anyway) villain with no particular agenda or convincing motivation, make him visually uninteresting, hide his face and, to cap it all, make him virtually inaudible, then.....you are probably making a huge mistake. Because chances are this villain will be a complete waste of space and will fatally undermine any interest an audience might have in your movie. That's just some thoughts on TDKR. I could also explain some of the qualities (and faults) with the other Batman movies, but TDKR is the one currently under discussion here.
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...decided it was a waste of time and space. Have fun being that guy.
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... obsessively avoid anything that will burst their bubble. Have fun being THAT guy as you re-watch The Phantom Menace and Halle Berry's Catwoman, telling yourself over and over again that they're great movies too. And I'm afraid you're not unique. You're just one of THOSE guys.
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July 29, 2012, 1:30 p.m. CST
I love how people can't just like or dislike a movie without offending each other!
by Poptard_JD
and by "love" I mean, the opposite of that.
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