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Nordling here.

JOHN CARTER didn't do well.  Okay, that might be an understatement.  But it's not because it's a bad movie - it isn't - or that Andrew Stanton is a bad director - he certainly isn't - but I can blame marketing on this one.  I think they didn't know what they had.  I think over the years, people will come to JOHN CARTER and enjoy it for the pulp adventure that it is.

Still, JOHN CARTER's box office may have been discouraging to Stanton, because, if Deadline is accurate, Stanton is returning to the Pixar fold to make... FINDING NEMO 2.

I'm the eternal optimist, but even this gives me pause.  FINDING NEMO is kinda perfect.  It's got adventure, laughs, and it's probably the most beautiful-looking film of Pixar's catalog, and that's saying a lot.  FINDING NEMO 3D comes out later this summer, and so I'd imagine that Pixar will be looking at how well that does, but I'm not very keen on the idea.  As a one-shot, NEMO ends perfectly and I don't think we really need a revisit to that world or even those characters.

Pixar doesn't move until they have a solid story underneath them, so it's possible that, if this is true, they've cracked the story on any sequel to this and FINDING NEMO 2 (if that is even what it will be called) may be as good or even better than the first.  But... hell, I'll just say it - NEMO is one of the best films in the Pixar catalog and unless they have something truly extraordinary in mind I don't think this should be attempted.  But I'm happy to be proven wrong.

This is a Deadline story, and there hasn't been any comment from Stanton or Disney, so this could just be a bunch of empty ocean.  We'll know more in the coming days and weeks, I'm sure.

UPDATE: Victoria Strouse, who penned the 2008 Black List script THE APOSTLES OF INFINITE LOVE, has been tasked with writing the sequel, and it looks like The Mouse is aiming for a 2016 release date, which, given the lengthy process of making a Pixar feature, means this is set to happen sooner rather than later. 

Nordling, out.  Follow me on Twitter!

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  • July 17, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Eh. Sure, why not.

    by Son of a Butch

  • July 17, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST

    "Pixar doesnt move until they have a solid story"? ummm... Cars 2?

    by ShiftyEyedDog

  • July 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST

    STOP blaming marketing! John Carter was perfectly mediocre.

    by ShiftyEyedDog

    They DID know what they had, and what they had was a cookie cutter plot with average acting, FX, writing, etc. John Carter performed exactly as it deserved to.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by Nick Friesen

    I wish they'd focus on other things. Nemo as a great stand alone movie. Definitely not my favorite. I'd MUCH rather see an Incredibles 2.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by CaptainJeanLucPicard

    Calling it.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by jemagee

    Nemo was awful, I don't get the love for it, a sorely predictable poorly written piece of flotsam, not even in the top 5 of the pixar pantheon...though it made a lot of money - and if anyone thinks the motivation for a sequel now that they are fully owned by disney isn't the dash for cash - suck it

  • July 17, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Toy Story was relatively easy to sequelize

    by Hipshot

    As it was an ensemble, each toy with its own history. If it had been called "Woody" it might have been more difficult. If "Finding Nemo" had been called "Fish Story" you simply do another story about that community of sea creatures--easy. Hell, you could do a television series. But "Finding Nemo"? First of all, better change that title, or you're locked into some kind of repetitive arc where Nemo must be "found." You have to free it up, so that Nemo can grow, his father can grow, etc. So some title like "Nemo's World" at least creates a little freedom for creativity. But really...don't get a good feeling about this.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST

    John Carter was wooden and lifeless

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Perhaps animation is Stanton's real sandbox.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST

    I don't get all the John Carter love

    by CreatureCantina

    It isn't that good a movie. People aren't going to "come to it" over the years. It was fluff. It was mediocre. Certainly it had great eye candy... but over all it wasn't this spectacular hidden gem. It's like arguing "People are going to flock to Mark Wahlberg's Planet of the Apes." Wishful thinking at best.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    We may have to accept that Pixar's golden age is over

    by PaulSC

    Brave was decent, but unexceptional. With them going back to old wells with every other movie now, the days of them coming up with something fresh and brilliant every time out are feeling further and further away.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Obligatory I'd Rather Have The Incredibles 2 Comment

    by Karl Childers

  • July 17, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Marketing was bad, but not having anything to market didn't help.

    by conspiracy

    I'm glad M.T. Carney was fired, she and her team of marketeers we're out of their element at Disney. However, after seeing the film I realized that in THAT particular case, she simply had NOTHING to work with. John Carter, as has been said ad nauseam, is a perfectly boring and unnecessary film. It has the distinction of being a film, based on one of the progenitors of modern Sci-Fi, that ends up being entirely derivative of every Sci-Fi film we've seen over the last 30 years. Enough John Carter geek is simply a story which over the last 100 years had been mined of it's better parts and what was left in it that hadn't been gleaned wasn't worthy to have been made into a self indulgent, unfocused, wasteful $250M film.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    And No More Pixar Sequels...especially NEMO.

    by conspiracy

    Whats the premise...Nemo gets lost AGAIN? Nemo Grows up and looses one of his 200 offspring? Bruce the Shark runs off in an unholy interspecies union with Dory and Nemo's dad has to woo her back? Move on..the first was a Stand Alone work, and endures as a charming film...don't milk the fucking cow till it topples over dead.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    It's the Disney sequel curse.

    by donkey_lasher

    Look back through the Disney filmography and you'll be surprised at how many obsure sequels were made.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Jumped the shark (see whatI did there?)

    by TheStoner

    Pixar are done, face it. They ruled for several years and turned out quality pic after quality pic. But now they're screwed and on the way down. Who the hell wants FN2? Or another Monsters Inc for that matter. How about something NEW (that doesn't suck like "Brave").

  • July 17, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I'd rather have Cars 3... Wait!! Read below!

    by DidntPullOutInTimeCop

    Only so I (perhaps) don't have to watch Cars 1 for the gazillionth time. My son loves those cars, Cars 2 less, but a Cars 3 set in "Kylarköping" again could do the trick.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Yeah, stay away from having to "find" Nemo again

    by superfleish76

    There is a lot they could do with the characters, but calling it Finding Nemo 2 and being restricted by that same basic structure would probably be a mistake. I'm not necessarily opposed to the whole thing, but they should definitely try to make it something fresh that stands on it's own. I will say that Pixar has been pretty good about not just replicating previous efforts...even Cars 2, while not great, certainly didn't just repeat the first. As for John was forgettable at best. I didn't think it was completely horrible, but it wasn't anything special either.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    John Carter was a perfectly serviceable film

    by Snookeroo

    Personally, I enjoyed it. But why anybody in their right mind would approve a $250 million production budget for an undeveloped property like that is beyond me.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST

    There is only one pixar property that needs a sequel

    by SuperLoserFish

    The Incredibles. Get Brad back to direct.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Where the FUCK is the Incredibles sequel?

    by JorEl214

    Seriously...I'm excited about a Nemo sequel, so this isn't the obligatory "I'd rather have..." I just can't believe that in this renaissance of superhero movies The Mouse isn't pouncing! Recently voted the favorite Pixar movie by an Entertainment Weekly fan poll, Pixar's 4th highest grossing film worldwide, 4th highest RT rating, 4th highest MT rating, toys and merchandising out the wazoo...what is the hold up here? Also, I think Brave would be PERFECT for a sequel but since it underperformed it'll probably never happen.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    im not gonna jump on the hate band wagon seeing as how I love Nemo

    by saintsaucey

    And would much rather have a sequal to it than monsters inc. That said i think a movie about the turtles in nemo would be better.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    I second the obligatory Incredibles 2 comment...

    by Dranem

    Toy Story, Monsters INC., The Incredibles, and UP were about the only movies I really liked from Pixar. A Bugs Life and Finding Nemo rank right there with Cars for me.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST

    I liked John Carter

    by Samuel Fulmer

    But I don't think the problem was marketing. It was an oldish style sci-fi fantasy that was a little too violent for little kids, but not violent enough for teens. It was based on a property that hasn't been relevant since 1920, and it didn't really bring anything different to the table.

  • Bam, another box office hit. Money is more important than story.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Pixar zombies are a lot like Apple zombies.

    by Snookeroo

    Yeah, both companies put out a good product. But too much of their Koolaid makes it impossible to see the obvious.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Finding Nemo and The Lion King are both overrated

    by disfigurehead

    piles of dog shit.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Incredibles is more Brad Bird than Pixar

    by Bass Ackwards

    Pixar, thankfully, still has enough integrity to not do an Incrwdibles sequel without Bird. So until Bird comes up with something, no Incredibles sequel.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Finding Nemo 2

    by Arguendo

    Nemo is now a beloved grandfather with thousands of children and grandchildren, but he dotes on his one really shy son, Ahab, in particular -- pulling light pranks on him to try to get him out of his shell. While playing with his son, Nemo is somehow captured/swept away and Ahab, despite his shy demeanor, decides to go out and search for his grandfather. Through many adventures, Ahab finally comes close to finding his grandfather, and there's a scene where we see Ahab coming close as Nemo's life hangs in the balance. It turns out that Nemo dies before Ahab finds him. Ahab returns home sullen -- having lost his father. However, he sees some his children playing around, and then decides to engage with them -- pulling light pranks. Ahab found Nemo inside himself. The end.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Also, stick a fork in Pixar

    by Bass Ackwards

    They'll still have some gems, but the magic that drove them that first decade or so is gone.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Finding Nemo 2 [fixed]

    by Arguendo

    [Note, I changed the relationship of Ahab and Nemo, between revisions, but didn't fix it all the way through. This one's fixed. Cheers.] Nemo is now a beloved grandfather with thousands of children and grandchildren, but he dotes on his one really shy son, Ahab, in particular -- pulling light pranks on him to try to get him out of his shell. While playing with his son, Nemo is somehow captured/swept away and Ahab, despite his shy demeanor, decides to go out and search for his father. Through many adventures, Ahab finally comes close to finding his father, and there's a scene where we see Ahab coming close as Nemo's life hangs in the balance. It turns out that Nemo dies before Ahab finds him. Ahab returns home sullen -- having lost his father. However, he sees some his children playing around, and then decides to engage with them -- pulling light pranks. Ahab found Nemo inside himself. THE END.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Who finds Nemo in this one?

    by buggerbugger


  • July 17, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Stands alone. Does not need a sequel.

    by Brian Hopper

    Why doesn't Pixar do a sequel to a movie that practically demands it? (The Incredibles.)

  • July 17, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    John Carter was NOT a bad movie?

    by CatVutt

    Oh, dear God, you must be joking. I actually went into it (on Blu Ray) thinking it was a victim of backlash and piling on and blah blah blah. Sincerely thought I would be pleasantly surprised. BZZZZT. Nope. That thing is ass. There's nothing about it that isn't ass. Not. One. Fucking. Thing.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Finding Marlin: Rise of Nemo

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Nemo has grown into a total asshole. He rules the fish kindom with an iron fin and his army of gay vegitarian sharks. The only one that can stop his reign is his dad. Dory and Squirt race against time to save Marlin from the clutches of Gill and the kid with braces. $200 million opening.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    ixar doesn't move until they have a solid story underneath them

    by MuadDibuhhh

    ... yet, someone's just been hired to write the story. Yeah, Disney's pushing big for this one, and Pixar bent over for it. I love Pixar, but come on, guys.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST

    no no no no NO!!!

    by Kyle DeMattio

    I do Not condone this! The only sequel that I'm interested in seeing from Pixar is a sequel to the Incredibles! And that won't happen anytime soon. I'm jumping ship on this one, pun intended.

  • In which case I'd be more than willing to see what they can do. If they aren't bound by finding Nemo, or someone else, again, then the possibilities for the story would be endless...

  • July 17, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    John Farter.

    by Fries Against

  • July 17, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Listen to me,'re about to be taken.

    by fustfick

    50% of all clown fish trafficking takes place in Australia. Now, Marlon and his half-wit sidekick go on a kill crazy rampage to recover his son.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I can already see the Elastigirl poster for Incredibles 2:

    by durhay

    The Bitch is Back

  • July 17, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST

    As someone who paid to see John Carter...

    by fattyaaron

    it was mediocre in every way possible. Stop blaming marketing.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Finding Dory?

    by Bruno

    She's a forgetful fish who could easily get lost and caught up in a wacky adventure.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST

    I heard the story was...

    by Cactus228

    going to be about Nemo and Dory finding Marlin. I would like to see a sequel if done right.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    I paid and watched John Carter 3 times

    by mukhtabi

    I'd happily do a fourth if it finds its way back to a movie theater.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Re John Carter: Just to point out, a number of press reports

    by Brian Hopper

    put the blame for the film's marketing squarely on the shoulders of... Andrew Stanton. He was the driving force behind the marketing as well. So any way you slice it, all roads to that train wreck lead to Stanton.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST

    But we could see it coming with TS3 and Monsters U

    by shane peterson

  • July 17, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    I wonder where that fish has gone? ... fishy fish!

    by CuervoJones

  • July 17, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST

    TS3 was great, but it signalled the end of the idea that Pixar

    by shane peterson

    as the creative decision-makers of Disney Animation(Lasseter, etc) had decided to go down the sequel, assembly-line route. They'd given in to marketing and product. Nothing wrong with that per se. But the cache is gone from the Pixar differential. They are now no less corporate than Dreamworks. They just make better movies overall.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST

    All the title needs is "Nemo" in it and people will get it.

    by lowpassat

    Just put the word Nemo and Pixar animated background on a poster and people will know what it is. it doesnt have to be Finding Nemo 2: Nemos Big Adventure or even have the word Finding in it. And as a car guy I freekin' love Cars, Cars 2 was about a big a let down as I have ever had in a move theater. And yes, where the hell is The Incredibles sequal? It would practically write itself!

  • July 17, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Pixar have run out of ideas

    by D o o d

    90% of their output is sequels these days! The other annoying thing is that it's also very formulaic too! Where is the Pixar of yesteryear?

  • July 17, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST

    With the exception of Toy Story 3, Dreamworks surpassed Pixar long ago

    by ShiftyEyedDog

    and Paramount surpassed them with Rango

  • pathetic

  • July 17, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by shane peterson

    I wouldn't say they're out of ideas. But yes, they are shifting towards "safer and already branded product". Nothing wrong with that. You can still get good movies from that. But it is a shift away from the Pixar=something different and less formulaic from the monied corporate studios hatched by Katzenberg and others.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    ixar doesn't move until they have a solid story underneath them?

    by knowthyself

    Explain Cars 2 then.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST

    shiftyeyeddog yes. but it was inevitable.

    by shane peterson

    Lasseter always loved Disney and what they were about. This is just an extension of that.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    And John Carter sucked.

    by knowthyself

    Stop blaming the marketing. Its an underwhelming film that never makes an argument for its existence.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Finding Nemo was perfect

    by quicksilver80

    Leave that story alone

  • July 17, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Guys, this is all about branding and built-in audience recognition.

    by shane peterson

    It's a surer, safer bet financially.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Please no.

    by Triple_J_72

    All because I can't stand Ellen Degeneres.

  • July 17, 2012, 2:57 p.m. CST

    Dammit, Nemo!

    by George Zip

    Stop wandering off!

  • July 17, 2012, 3 p.m. CST

    There will be no Incredibles 2

    by JumpinJehosaphat

    If you haven't noticed there's an absolute glut of comic book movies out there. Sure, we've really hit a wonderful pinnacle, but it can't last forever. One of these days in a few years, the public will burn out. If Incredibles 2 started now, maybe it might hit about the time comic book films taper off. Then, what would you have? A parody? A satire? A commentary on how lame superhero movie will be perceived in some future where people are well past the point of saturation? I just don't see it happening.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST

    NO. Just...NO.

    by Dick Jones

    Fucking knew it. Disney bought 'em out, and now we're getting the obligatory sequels.

  • Blah blah blah I'm bored with this old debate.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    As long as nobody is lost I'll consider it.

    by tomandshell

    Keep "Nemo" in the title, but not "Finding." Nemo can't get lost again, nor should his son or anybody else's. Just do an original story with the established characters. I wouldn't mind revisiting the characters, just not the plot.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    John Carter was 132 minutes, and only about 65 in the middle were good

    by Adelai Niska

    The opening was a jumbled mess and the ending was blatant sequel-bait, where since they'e never getting a sequel I have to conclude the bad guys won. Not a good movie overall.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST

    nemo is my least favorite Pixar

    by History101

    preachy Preachy preachy. yes I enjoyed Cars 2 more. and as far as Brave, it is passing $200. Million tomorrow and making UP type numbers DREAMing someone else's WORK: what have they made that was quality and original?( not adapted)

  • July 17, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The reason why I don't want a Finding Nemo sequel

    by thelordofhell

    Children cannot take good care of fish.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    The reason Id be fine with a Nemo sequel...

    by D.Vader

    The first was a great story and Pixar sure can make life beneath ocean look beautiful.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by D o o d

    But it is a shift away from the Pixar=something different and less formulaic from the monied corporate studios hatched by Katzenberg and others

  • July 17, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Ellen is too hammy, the story is repetitious

    by bah

    How many time in the movie are two characters bickering the the foreground as some threat (diver, shark, whale, anglerfish, jellyfish...) slowly emerges from the background? You can say I'm contrarian for saying it's overrated, but there are my reasons.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Love me some Nemo, but man I liked Wall-E

    by xcornealiousx

    Infinetly more! I'd rather revisit Wall-E.

  • Taylor Kitsch growling every single line is a classic?

  • John Carter was NOT great. And Pixar's heart died with Joe Ranft.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Its opinion, Dar

    by D.Vader

    Thanks for adding yours.

  • No matter what way you slice it-- as a film geared towards mass audiences, as a film made for Burroughs-fanboys, as a piece of movie marketing-- JC was a complete and total disaster, and Stanton deserves the lion's share of the blame for that.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Vader...I've no problem with Pixars "Look"

    by conspiracy

    but lately it seems they have gotten lazy on the story telling. I think it comes down to Catmull facing retirement, and Lasseter being more interested in his Corporate life than in making films. This series of points to a dramatic, and I'm not so sure a "good", shift in Pixar priorities and corporate culture. And I say that being a fan of Pixar...

  • July 17, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Kissing Nemo Stein

    by Kytas

  • July 17, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Saving Private Nemo

    by Kytas

  • July 17, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Cowboys and Aliens will never mix - Look at Cowboys and Aliens.

    by Smarty_Feldman

  • July 17, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Regarding Nemo

    by Kytas

  • July 17, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Get over it, Nordling. John Carter was NOT a good movie.

    by Kytas

    Poor character development. Rushed plot. Over-reliance on CG to advance the action. Action sequences that defy the laws of physics, without explanation. Weird editing choices. Wooden actor cast as protagonist. Generic score. Antagonists' motives make no sense. It's painfully obvious to anybody who watched it, the filmmakers tried to cram 100 hours of rich mythology into a two-hour movie. THEY FAILED.

  • Never before has $250+M been squandered so casually and selfishly; Ross got his ass handed to him for lacking balls and letting Stanton do it, it is a shame the Disney Shareholders can't ask Stanton for some of that $$$ back.

  • July 17, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Thomas Newman

    by BYOBkenobi

    His music makes this film. And it will make the second. This guy's talent is second to NO ONE.

  • At least it had the decency to be short enough your ass didn't fall asleep.

  • July 17, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Nemo is Pixar perfection ... Don't need another.


  • July 17, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    "Pixar doesn't move until they have a solid story underneath them"?

    by offroadcamry

    Then how do you explain Cars 2? Absolutely terrible.

  • July 17, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    I liked John Carter. It is a good movie

    by mistergreen

    It's probably the novelty of it all was rapped by Star Wars, avatar, etc....

  • July 17, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Incredibles does not need a sequel.

    by Sequitur

    The story was told. Unless Brad Bird can come up with a new challenge for the Parr family...then no. Its not about another Super villain or threat. The film was never really about that.

  • July 17, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST


    by Fries Against

  • July 17, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Don't make it just to make it...

    by rgc123

    With sequels sometimes you get a Toy Story 2...and sometimes you get a Cars 2. Cars 2 showed me that, yes, Pixar can make a bad movie. There's no shame in Stanton going back to CGI Pixar movies...most are better than the majority of movies that Hollywood spits out like...John Carter. And please stop with the John Carter excuses. I thought we were pass this point now.

  • epic fail on Lucas' part. All hail Stanton. Thanks!

  • July 17, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST

    by MikeTheSpike

    Incredibles is the only Pixar movie that actually needs a sequel. Everything else works very well on its own and doesn't need to be revisited.

  • July 17, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST

    When Lasseter took over Disney Animation...

    by robert0

    ...didn't he kill a bunch of Disney sequels because of how they cheapened the properties and brand? I think he even fired some VP that kept cranking out direct to DVD drivel like "Jungle Book 2." Now with Cars 2, Monsters University, and Nemo 2, it looks like he's not practicing what he preached.

  • July 17, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Pixar is rapidly becoming the new Dreamworks/Blue Sky

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Sequels! Nothing but sequels! *sigh*

  • July 17, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST

    They'll be announcing Toy Story 4 next

    by i_got_worms

    Oh wait....

  • July 17, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Re Lasseter and Sequels

    by Sequitur

    Rumor has it Pixar is feeling pressure from the Disney board for more sequels (sure $$$) to justify the purchase of Pixar. If you look at the timeline, other than Toy Story 2 the sequels did not start coming down the pipeline until after the purchase. One good thing though... Disney owned the rights to Woody and Buzz. So without the purchase they would have made their own Toy Story 3 without Pixar. At least we have a great Pixar Toy Story 3.

  • July 17, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I hope they can pull out something good here

    by F This

    instead of treading into bullshit-sequel territory at full speed.

  • Better not be a rehash of the first one, but now they gotta find Dory or Marlin. Fucking stupid if they go that route.

  • July 17, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST

    John Carter, wasn't that bad (based on my expectations)

    by Smartacus

    That's where the John Carter love is coming from. It's human nature to judge something in the context of your expectations. People who were excited about it and had their hopes up got them dashed when it didn't live up to what they wanted. The rest of us who didn't know John Carter from Jimmy Carter heard what shit it was and stayed away. Then, later when we finally did see it with absolutely no expectations whatsoever we found that it wasn't nearly as bad as it had been described. Does that mean it was good? I don't know? I enjoyed it. I didn't love it. I wasn't wanting to go complete my John Carter action figure set or dress as the motherfucker for Comic Con. I just enjoyed it. It's all in the expectations.

  • Kung Fu Panda How to Train Your Dragon Megamind Kung Fu Panda 2 The TV shows KFP: Legends of Awesomeness and Penguins of Madagascar are pretty damn entertaining as well. Hopefully between Pixar and Dreamworks we'll still get some quality animated flicks for both youngsters and grown ups each year, amongst the crap and cash grabs.

  • They do like their sequels, but in recent years did Kung Fu Panda, Megamind, How to Train Your Dragon ... Yeah, Panda had a sequel already, but the original was just like 3-4 years ago. Point being they are still churning out some new stuff. Even Puss in Boots, while carrying over Puss from the Shrek films, was quite different so as not to be a sequel.

  • July 17, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    Brave dampened my PIXAR enthusiasm

    by boogel

    Visually it was great. But that story...good lord. Who thought that was the direction to go. How bad was it. Was it Shrek bad....maybe not. But it was certainly Antz bad.

  • July 17, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST

    agreed, the Golden Age of Pixar is over.

    by Stifler's Mom

    BRAVE was underwhelming, CARS 2 was garbage, and now they're going back to the well with movies that should be left alone, like MONSTERS and NEMO. See Newton's law of gravity.

  • .......Perhaps it was also the fact that it was 20 years out of its ideal time period. It'll be appreciated in years to come for sure, when audiences catch it on the small screen.

  • July 17, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Pixar moves when Disney tells them

    by DanSh1138

    First I'm definitely one of Pixar's biggest fans and I think overall they do incredible animation. If anyone is interested ready "Droidmaker" for some great insight into early Pixar. But that being said, I think to project the early halcyon days of Pixar development into the stuff they are doing now and saying "Pixar doesn't move without a solid story" is a bit of an oversimplification. Im not doing this to be snarky, but here is the timeline for Pixar's work to date: Toy Story 1995 A Bugs Life 1998 Toy Story 2 1999 (important to note that this was originally a direct to video sequel) Monsters Inc 2001 Finding Nemo 2003 The Incredibles 2004 (this is probably the high water mark of Pixar Animation Studios) Cars 2006 Ratatouille 2007 WALL-E 2008 Up 2009 Toy Story 3 2010 Cars 2 2011 Brave 2012 So pre-Cars, Pixar averaged a 1-2 year development cycle for movies, assuming some projects were in development simultaneouslty.. Post Cars, Pixar is releasing on aminated movie a year... given that animation takes a finite amount of time to create, voice, render, edit, soundtrack, score, etc. and the studio is on a one movie a year release schedule.. I would argue that the first thing to go out the window is "solid story" And I think it shows the work the studio has released starting with Cars... I think Ratatouille was the last "solid story" that Pixar produced, and most of the rest since 2006 have been one big idea with a mish-mash of small ones thrown in. Technically, I dont think any animation studio can touch them.. but coming off of Cars 2 and Brave.. and knowing that Planes (essentially Cars 3) is next... obviously they are "moving" prior to having solid stories baked.. there's nothing wrong with that, it's the nature of being part of a large studio system like Disney.

  • There were so many stupid moments and plot points in JC, which I've been told didn't come from the book...

  • July 17, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    one last correction

    by DanSh1138

    Sorry.. Planes and Monsters U are both coming out in 2013. Planes is being released direct to video (I think Pixars first DTV, which bears note given the conversation) Monsters U theatrically Both sequels.

  • July 17, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST

    LOSING NEMO in 2016

    by You Have MY Voice

    Nemo gets lost again, this time in the net of a sushi chef. And just to go against the grain, Nemo doesn't escape this time. Wacky hijinks galore!

  • July 17, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST

    FINDING NEMO 2 = Prequel

    by You Have MY Voice

    In this prequel set in the time after the opening sequence of the original NEMO, the prequel will detail Marlin's life as a single father to a soon-to-be-hatched egg (containing the titular Nemo). Watch as Marlin spirals into a daze of depression, paranoia, and suicidal thoughts before the birth of his son pulls him out of the depths of despair. In 3D! "As hilarious and uplifting as the first fifteen minutes of UP!" -- AICN

  • July 17, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Marketing for JC was a huge issue

    by Kakii

    I know so many people who hadnt a clue who or what JC was, most didnt even realise it was on at the cinema and if they did see an advert hadnt a clue about the film. So yes marketing made an epic fail! I personally loved it, it was a great sci fi adventure and wasnt too violent for younger kids as my 5 year old loved it too. Its a shame we wont see more of the books brought to the big screen and instead we get 2 or 3 more dances with frackin smurfs!

  • July 17, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST

    It seems they have greenlit Toy Story 4...

    by Thomas Avallone That is both not unexpected, yet surprising at the same time.

  • July 17, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    WTF is up with all this Pixar Hate?

    by Hernando

    They make a few mediocre movies and you guys start calling it a death knell... Give me a break, your opinions are worth as much as... They are not worth anything. Just saying. I loved Finding Nemo and I don't really see what the appeal ofmaking a sequel is, It may be something KIDS look forward to... not you fat fucking cheeto eating couch ridden bitch ass motherfuckers. So get over it, why the fuck do people get critical of CHILDREN'S movies, when they themselves will never have fucking children... If the movie isn't about drugs or prositution, as long as the kids love it... Fuuuuuuuuuuck you! And if they don't, oly the movie company loses out here, unless your a fucking pedophile and your hoping for a crowded theatre of underage kids to stare at...

  • July 17, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    John Carter

    by Hernando

    Not the greatest thing in the world, but decent... I never read the book, so i don't know what i'm really missing, it was a semi-action adventure geared towards... people... generic people... Lol...

  • July 17, 2012, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Oh, dear.

    by SebastianHaff

    I'm afraid the folks at Pixar have spooked themselves. I imagine they're doubly spooked by the mediocrity of their last two films. ≤br><p> Never thought I'd say this before, but I fear the mighty Pixar has committed itself to a path of sameness, safety, and sure things. It's like they've become so addicted to their prior success they're suddenly convinced the answer is to stay inside that box and sequalize everything. I remember when Monsters University was first announced they swore they weren't just going to start pillaging the back catalogue, that the sequels would only happen sporadically. <br><p> Bullshit. <br><p> The rumblings of Incredibles 2 are also really firing up. They aren't going to stop till everything from Bug's Life to Up has a sequel. Then all the part two's get a part three, and Toy Story a part four. <br><p> i can't begin to explain how important this studio has been to me growing up, so this really, truly, seriously bums me out. I'm sure it'll be cute and have funny jokes and whatnot. But this isn't what they were when... fuck, I'm sorry to be THAT guy, but.... when Steve was around.

  • July 17, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Monsters University is unneeded and will suck harder than Cars 2

    by performingmonkey

    Brave was just okay when it could have been an EPIC masterpiece.

  • July 17, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    John Carter=enormous wang-wang suckfest. It was hideous.

    by Mike McCutcheon

  • Taylor Kitsch was great in Friday Night Lights, but that seems to be his go-to character. You need a compelling lead to draw fans in an otherwise unfamiliar franchise. A young Harrison Ford or younger Nathan Fillion would have been a perfect fit to get audiences willing to go along with this material. As it was, we basically were made to watch an alien desert movie, & I'm sure STARGATE didn't cost $250M. I can understand why the fans of the Princess of Mars series, as well as others, may have dug John Carter, but I can't fathom what the studio was thinking in sinking THAT much money into a desert movie w/such an uncompelling lead.

  • make it so!

  • July 17, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST


    by Bass Ackwards

    I agree. I had other issues with the movie, but would have overlooked many of them if I didn't find the main character to be such a lifeless bore.

  • July 17, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    John Carter was a perfectly serviceable film

    by Michael Miller

    Were they giving out free handjobs for every admission, at your local movie theater, Snickeroo?

  • July 17, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Krill Bill

    by richardHarrisonsSteamedCrabs

  • July 17, 2012, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Nemo 2: What's The Porpoise?

    by richardHarrisonsSteamedCrabs

  • July 17, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Finding Remo: Unfinned and..... sorry!

    by richardHarrisonsSteamedCrabs

  • July 17, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Incredibles 2 plot...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    Been posted before, and not just by me, but... Jump forward in time, even 20-30 years on. Have Mr. and Ms. dealing with getting into old age but still wanting to help out, give the kids some kids of their own, and keep the whole super-family dynamic ticking over. The whole "supers being sued so have to go away", coupled with the family side of things in the first once was so strong, just having them now tooling around at end of Incredibles 1 ages fighting whatever turns up next would never stand up. Hummm, how about the government goes into the Syndrome's island after his defeat, takes his database and uses his inventions to create a unit of elite crime fighters from normal people? So supers are simply no longer needed to fight crime. That could be a starting point - they don't have to hide their powers, but they just aren't needed any more. Anyway, it takes Pixar a while, but if they are moving into sequals to moves that don't even sell as much merchandise, Incredibles is likely to happen eventually.

  • July 17, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Oh, and in case you forgot...

    by AndoSoundsLikeAMong

    The two films slated after Monster's U are both original properties. Turning out more content means more sequals, perhaps, but it still means original content too. Finding Nemo 2 : Searching Harder isn't really needed, though. I'm hoping for Nemo in his old age, drunk in some undersea dive, reflecting on his life and trying to "find" himself before being snagged by that great fish hook from the sky. More likely, Coral is alive but with amnesia off the coast of Hawaii and they'll call it Finding Nemo's Mother. Oh sorry, that's the straight to DVD sequal we would have got if Pixar and Disney had gone their separate ways. Whatever happens next, things could be a lot worse.

  • July 17, 2012, 8 p.m. CST


    by You Have MY Voice

    I don't think it's hate for Pixar as much as it is disappointment. We know they're better than this. We know what they're capable of. Yet they continue to safely produce sequels of their existing stories instead of doing what made them so revered in the first place -- creating strong, unique stories. And I say this as someone who's wanted an INCREDIBLES 2 since the original came out. I'd gladly sacrifice any hope of ever seeing an INCREDIBLES 2 if it meant Pixar returned to its roots. Where's the next TOY STORY? And I don't mean TOY STORY 4, I mean where's the next blow-your-mind animated adventure? Pixar's become a franchise-addicted cog in the Disney machine. That's the sad thing. That's where the disappointment lies.

  • July 17, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST

    John Carter...

    by vettebro

    As other's have stated, it's not that great. No one is going to "remember" or "come to appreciate" the film. It offered nothing new and my 11 and 14 year old kids and I were bored with it. That is all.

  • July 17, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Jim Hill rumor, re: Ellen and Nemo

    by spaceghost_me

    A few months back, on one of the Disney Theme Park podcasts I listen to (yes, I'm that guy), Jim Hill (a Disney "insider") indicated that Disney had several projects that they wanted to work on with Ellen (both in and out of the parks), but that she was pushing hard for another Nemo movie as she loved playing Dory. Take that all with a grain of salt, but I wouldn't be surprised if her "interest" in doing another movie was a strong motivator to this happening. Personally, I love Nemo. One of my favorite movies ever, and probably one of my top 3 Pixar movies (with Up and TS3). I've always found the story and message behind it to be incredibly powerful, even more so now that I am a dad myself.

  • July 17, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Disney did know what it had, but Stanton controlled the marketing

    by Anthony Torchia

    he was worshiped as a god and all his decisions were the right ones, until it turned out they were the wrong ones I forget the name of the marketing woman who resigned as a result of not being able to run the campaign she wanted, it's out there somewhere still, I blame the Disney execs who gave him total control more than Stanton himself, who was over his head and never told by the people who should have been for him that he was over his head

  • Honestly, PIXAR is best when they are exploring new concepts. I really regret that PIXAR was subsumed by Disney. You can just FEEL the cynical hands of all those Disney producers who failed to produce any memorable CGI flicks before PIXAR came aboard. Now that they have oversight, they keep pushing their tepid, lifeless ideas and sequelitis onto PIXAR with the effect that PIXAR is feeling less and less special as time goes by. STOP MILIKING! Toy Story 2 & 3, thus far, has been the only truly successful sequel series from PIXAR. The others have suffered in comparison to the originals, and for good reason. The other movies were perfect little self-contained gems. I would LOVE to see the sequel to The Incredibles, because the cast was just so fun, but I'd be equally excited to see Brad Bird explore a totally new franchise. Unfortunately, the best and brightest aren't in charge the way they used to be.

  • July 17, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST

    But John Carter was bad?

    by andrew james

    Poor pacing and writing. Taylor Kitsch is just not cut out for this. I know everyone wanted it to be good but it was truly not that great. Mediocre at best

  • July 17, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST

    "John Carter" is, INDEED, a bad movie.

    by MovieManStill

    Mainly due to casting.

  • July 17, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST


    by D.Vader

    After seeing Toy Story 3 finally, there's no way I can agree their storytelling has gotten "lazy". I haven't seen CARS 2, but that always felt like a series geared more towards kids than the rest of us. Looking forward to Brave but I haven't had a chance to see it yet. Making sequels always sounds like its the easy way out, and on a surface it is. But after TS2 and TS3, I can't discount Pixar. People complain about CARS 2 and point to that as an example of a shitty sequel, but come on, I doubt those guys ever actually saw Cars 2, and they all agree Cars 1 sucked anyway, so what would they expect from a part 2?

  • July 17, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Eh, nothing wrong with giving it a go

    by Full Tilt

    Like many movie fans I'm always disappointed when an old favorite of mine is given a crumby sequel. But at the end of the day it's just a movie. Maybe it turns out to be Toy Story 3 all over again, or at least Empire to the original Star Wars...or maybe it is on par with the Phantom Menace, or the direct to home video the Lion King 4 1/4 or however many they made. It's not a big deal if it's not as good. Or even if it's superfluous and bad. It's just a move. If they give it a go and it's great, great. If not, you can still watch the original and ignore years later sequels like Disney has direct to home video done with about every movie in their cartoon library. It's only a disaster if future BlueRay purchases of Nemo are on available with the shark not biting first and Marlin yelling "noooooo" every two seconds.

  • July 17, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    The incredibles

    by James_Camera_On

    Well, I loved John Carter. It completely turned me around from the dread I felt going to see it the first time. I saw it twice more in the theaters. I still miss it. Moreover, John Carter, like Sucker Punch, is one of those titles guaranteed to bring out the Master-Haters many of whom probably haven't even seen the movie(s). Thanks for sharing, guys. Always a delight to read. By the way, your mother has been calling you to dinner for some time now. As for Incredibles 2, everything I have read has informed me that Bird has moved on, that he is as eager to do Incredibles 2 as Bill Murray is to do Ghostbusters 3. We're more likely to get Iron Giant 2: The Revenge. Maybe a perfect script will appear (happens all the time in Hollywood), but I really think it won't. I suspect Pixney has been offering a lot of loot but unless Brad has a severe change of heart, it's not going to happen. Personally, I was looking forward to seeing Syndrome again. Oh well.

  • July 17, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    The ONLY Pixar Sequel needed at this point is...

    by DJJester


  • July 17, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    Nemo 2 would look incredible!

    by My best friend

    I could go for another Toy Story though. The charachters are awesome !

  • July 17, 2012, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Wang-wang suckfest. I'm going to start using that.

    by Fries Against

  • July 17, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by Fries Against

  • Pixar doesn't just give you everything you want. They pretty much follow the Apple model of products: thy give you stuff you didn't know you needed.(I can already hear the smart@$$ saying, 'I don't need Cars 2') I'll just take this Nemo 2 rumor as just that for now. It has one of those endings that feels solid, like the ones for Monsters,Inc, and Up. I love the fact that Brad Bird has the final word on an Incredibles sequel, and the man continues his march into new frontiers (he actually made me want to see a Tom Cruise movie for Pete's sake!).

  • July 17, 2012, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Andrew Stanton is crawling back with his tail between his legs.

    by Blarg Barfington

    PWNED FUCKER! He got WAY too arrogant for his own good. John Carter doesn't suck, but it's not all that great either. Deja Thoris' supreme hotness saved it from being below par frankly. I agree with others that the box office is deserved. And by the way, I CALLED that shit! As did a flood of others. And no it wasn't just the marketing. You're making a fantasy movie about Mars with all kinds of aliens.....and you don't even bother to make the fuckin' sand red? The fuckin' MARTIAN CHRONCLES TV MOVIE managed that but the $250M movie couldn't? And then you give ever single creature the same bland, gray elephant skin? It could have been epic, Stanton made it BLAH. And because of his supreme arrogance the franchise is dead forever. If you haven't yet, go watch that Ted Talk where he lectures us all on how to do story correctly. PBBBBBT! I'm glad he's going back to fuckin' cartoons where he belongs. Maybe next time somebody has a suggestion he won't sneer and dismiss them with a wave of his hand.

  • July 17, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST

    FN2 the only job AS could realistically get in Hollywood.

    by tailhook

    Nobody would hire him for a live-action film anytime soon after what he did with John Carter. And *coughpuke* it wasn't the marketing, of which he was also responsible for. Nobody can sell a period piece story of a civil-war veteran going to Mars. Maybe that worked as a set of books in the early part of the 20th century, we have moved on. You have to adapt things for modern audiences. Why do you think stuff like Dracula, Frankenstein, and 3 Muskateer movies flop horribly, while you get stuff like Twilight making bank? People don't want hundreds of year old stories that have been told, no matter how original they were in their day. Its why derivative works. The story is solid, it just must have a modern feel and take.

  • July 17, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST

    John Carter/FN2

    by Andrew

    Didn't see John Carter, but even the good reviews for it (except AICN's) mostly said "It's not bad" which isn't the same thing as saying it's good. So, I don't know. That said, I loved Finding Nemo. A sequel could be good. Let's just hope they don't give Stanton 200$ million for this one.

  • July 17, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Pixar..Born under Lucas...Raised under Jobs...Killed by Disney


  • To this day i mention it to movie fans and they have NEVER HEARD OF IT.

  • One of the biggest issues some people have with movies is letting expectations shape them. If you watch any movie with a critical eye, thinking it's bad. Basically you'll see it that way. Especially if you're watching it at home with distractions. It makes people enjoy a film less. It also makes people enjoy a film more. It's always odd. Especially when you get in a conversation with people who filter films this way. They'll describe some b-movie pulp in a way like, "it was a shit film, but pretty entertaining." Even though they enjoyed it, they can't get past their pre-determined opinion. People also then become master movie critics, dissecting every little detail of why something like Battleship sucked. Yet they don't apply any where near the scrutiny to films they accept as good and made by worthy film makers. John Carter for the mainstream of people. They just won't ever check it out, or go out of their way to see it. Due to it being wrongly tarnished as bad. Then it'll have the hater fan boys who watch it never going to like it. Partially with that attitude because many other film geeks really liked it. These are the sort of people who spend the time to go see Battleship. knowing exactly what it is. Then get home and go on IMDB to say how crap it was. Anyway John Carter was a really good film. Started a bit slow but then was great. It's a shame it didn't do well and we won't get a sequel. People who spend their time kicking a film when it's down is just lame. Even if you didn't like it, don't you rather studios would spend big bucks to try something a bit different?

  • July 18, 2012, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Finding Nemo 2: The Rise of all the Same Beats

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • It was just not a good movie, it wasn't. It wasn't a smart sci fi film, it wasn't even an entertaining Sci Fi film, it was just a BAD sci fi film! Bad acting all around, the dialogue is stupidly annoying and the film progression is idiotic. The princess saying she cares for her people, but runs away from getting married (Oh no! The horror!) leaving her father and her people to be destroyed since the truce is off? Stupid. He takes the gun and aims randomly at ships, bringing two down? Stupid. He doesn't want to fight but he'll fight for this random chick he just met? Stupid. The amazing technological structure that no one has investigated ever before and they just happen to head straight towards? Stupid. The princess falls in love with him after he spent 1 night with her? Stupid. Sola having to hold her back, and her screaming "Noooooo!" when John goes to fight the tharks that were after them? Stupid. The princess having a sword to the bad guy's throat and not cutting him down? Stupid. In addition to that, her father not wanting her to cut the bad guy's throat that has moments ago threatened to destroy all of her people? Stupid. He lands right in her room where she's wearing her wedding gown? Stupid. Various people taking orders from these dudes without asking them anything like "What are you? What do you want? Why do you want me to do this?" STUPID! There are many many many many many more stupid moments in this movie, it's filled with more stupidity than anything else.

  • He also basically said "Fuck you" to Sci Fi fans by taking Mars off the title, trying to trick non Sci Fi fans into seeing it... And the horrible Marketing he did, pushing actual Marketers out.. Just terrible. I think there's a quote out there where he brags that Animated filmmakers do live action better than live action filmmakers. Maybe in the case of Brad Bird, but definitely not the case of Andrew Stanton. Stanton should never be in charge of a live action film ever again. Unless a company wants a huge budget with little value, a bad story, slow pacing, and for him to try to control everything including his own view on marketing which is terrible.

  • July 18, 2012, 4:12 a.m. CST

    One other voice to say I actually enjoyed John Carter.

    by V'Shael

    Not so much that I'll be lamenting the lack of sequels for the rest of my life. But it's one I'll watch several times over my life I'm sure.

  • July 18, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST

    John Carter only bombed in America, not in the rest of the world

    by BEHEM Pascal

    Unless you consider the rest of the world as retarded, that's saying something.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Finding Nemo 2: Stanton owes them big time.

    by knowthyself

    The timing couldnt be more hilarious.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST

    The rest of the world is retarded.

    by knowthyself

    For giving that crapola 200 million of their money.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Lack of marketing?

    by knowthyself

    You mean besides all those John Carter posters I saw all over the place in NYC? The super bowl commercial that cost them at least a million dollars? You mean THAT lack of marketing? Idiots.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Marketing gives you the first weekend

    by Hipshot

    And that's it. After that, it's word of mouth. JC's title was as bad as "Serenity" but if the movie had been better, it wouldn't have mattered.

  • July 18, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST


    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

  • Ringtones of the hit theme song available at the Apple Store!!

  • Art sheds a tear. The last living Disney animator, living in retirement in Fort Lauderdale, pops an arthritis pill and scratches his ass through his pajamas, squinting in the flourescent light of his bathroom.


  • July 18, 2012, 8:56 a.m. CST

    You guys never cease to fall into predictable patterns

    by wcolbert

    5 years ago: "I LOVE Pixar! They can do no wrong! I have faith in every project of theirs!" 4 years ago: "I FUCKING WANT TO FIDDLE PIXAR'S FUNNY BITS! They're THAT awesome!" 3 years ago: "You know, Pixar is pretty popular with the masses and pretty well loved and respected by everyone. As I want to be different, I'm going to start saying they are overrated." 2 years ago: "Pixar has done a lot of great movies, but Cars was complete shit. So by extension, they are all complete shit." 1 year ago: "Pixar are sellouts and hacks and they won't give us Incredibles 2 so fuck 'em." Today: "FUCK Pixar! It was the cool thing a while ago to LIKE them, but now we've completely reversed our opinion of them in a short few years because we''re fucking SO unique. Nobody will EVER realize that I'm just hating on them in a desperate attempt to be the cool kid who's above the popular culture. I LOVED Pixar 5 years ago, but 1 movie like Cars 2 COMPLETELY negates every other great film they've ever made." Fucking petulant retards. Pixar is and has always been dedicated to creating quality films - that much is evident in that they managed to make 3 movies and make each of them feel fresh, new, and didn't turn it into a poor immitation of the original (like those direct to dvd sequels of animated movies that have NONE of the original cast and feature no semblance of a story that anyone would care about the results of. But oh, no, I guess they're overrated and suck now just because. Get a clue. Your freakishly self-centric view of the world doesnt apply to everyone, or their movies wouldn't be as wildly successful continuously as they have been. I didn't like Cars or Cars 2, but that's MY preference - I don't say they suck because they made 2 movies I didnt think had a good premise. Some little kids eat that shit up - and they are the target audience. That's what so many of you are forgetting - if you dont like the movies aren't even the target audience. The primary audience they are aiming to please are the kids. Adults are secondary. Always have been. These are not your movies. They are movies for your kids to enjoy WITH you.

  • Maybe it's time to ignore them for a while and wait for their 90s.

  • July 18, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    I'm watching Stallone's Dredd on VHS over John Carter

    by StatelyWayneManor

  • July 18, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Well... Pixar did put out the racist crap known as Brave.

    by tailhook

    Its their Song of the South. I'm definately seeing the hands of Disney meddling in their movies. Brave from the start until she turns her mother into a bear was an absolute embarressment for that company and will be remembered for years to come. Even after the turn, they still had racist garbage cropping up. Its too bad nobody had the guts to call them on it. Guess they get a pass for some of their previous films but this is one people will hang around Pixar for a good long while as people recoil from how racist it was. You'd think the same company that put out films such as Mulan and Pocahontas would have learned how to be culturally sensitive and not delve into stereotypes and caricatures.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by Dan Hulin

    Pixar has a perfect setup in The Incredibles. I'd think they have a lot of opportunity to go back to those charaqcters who are just dang cool.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST

    by Schadenfreude

    Stanton was interviewed by Mark Kermode on BBC Radio 5 just before John Carter was released and he came across as such an arrogant prick. Dig up the podcast if you can - in retrospect it's hilarious.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Kermode/Stanton interview

    by Schadenfreude

    Here it is on YouTube.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Help us Finding Nemo 2....

    by Sirius_crack

    You're our only hope. -Pixar

  • July 18, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    John Carter screwed up a good story

    by IronSkillet

    Stanton made huge changes which ruined it. He didn't have to make a movie exactly like the book, but when you take out some of the best parts of the book (Carter working his way up in the Thark society by dueling, Dejah being a pulp princess instead of a scientist/Amazon, the Martians fight and love the honor of dying in battle because there are limited resources and otherwise they live too long) and substitute your own crappy ideas (the Therns are super-beings who control the Zodangans and their ridiculously impractical and unnecessary ambulating city! Carter had a lost love! We need a superweapon MacGuffin!) then you deserve backlash. There are reasons why these stories survived and are reprinted 100 years later, and none of them have to do with the ideas of Andrew Stanton.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST

    How the FUCK is Brave "racist"?

    by wcolbert

    Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even know what racism is? Is it because it's not crawling with black people? Like fucking Ireland and Scotland were historically packed with people from Africa...jesus christ.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Seriously, those little yuppie mouse pushers are arrogant pricks??

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    You don't say. They seem like such gritty, salt of the earth men. Huh. Frank Frazetta was probably a prick, but granted he looked like he could swat all those skinny preying mantis looking little fuckers with a single tremendously-overdeveloped painter's pinky. Remember the intensity in that man's eyes?? If he walked into a room full of PIXAR animators they would literally disintegrate from their own redundancy.

  • July 18, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Brave? racist? huh?

    by millermeusa

  • July 18, 2012, 12:27 p.m. CST

    The only sequel...

    by Redfive!

    Pixar should be doing is of coarse The Incredibles 2 and there doing everything but.I knew when I saw Wall-E that was the last of the great Pixar films.

  • July 18, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Cars 2 was just a bad movie. Brave was just okay. Nothing great.

    by BilboRing

    I will admit that trailer for Monsters Inc. 2 looks funny as hell. I will see that. The article I read that mentioned Nemo 2 also mentioned a handful of new/original Pixar movies in the works too so don't count them as a sequel-only studio. But after Cars 2 and Brave, I hope they start making movies that can live up to Wall-E, Up!, TS3, Nemo, etc. The first Cars movie was also excellent. So to me they are in an 0-2 slump. I have faith.

  • July 18, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    What in the name of Zeus' butthole is going on here?

    by Ultron ver 2.0

    Brave racist? Nemo sucks? who are you people???

  • July 18, 2012, 1:04 p.m. CST

    As for John was kind of boring as hell.

    by BilboRing

    Lifeless is a good word for it. No charisma at all. Not a bad movie but very forgettable.

  • July 18, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    If John Lasseter doesn't piss you off now....

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    Then try watching that artificial pandering dreck known as -The Princess and the Frog- and when his name comes up during the terrible adult contemporary ballad that plays over the end credits -executive produced by- Remember. THIS IS THE MAN that got this crap made, as though it would be some savior breathing new life into modern 2D animation... He's taking Disney down the shitter, and given animation to the pixelated woodchipper to be ground into wholesome meat patties for the suburban family. If you think PIXAR are some legendary animation studio with a Disney or Ghibli-like luster to their brand, I'm sorry, but you are A. A deluded fangirl, and B. Fucking retarded.

  • July 18, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Racism... you understand this isn't a black thing right?

    by tailhook

    Someone at Disney is racist against the Scots. They got the Sambo treatment. If you've seen the movie, you know what I mean. Every stereotype imaginable in the film and the culture treated with all the decency of a gangraping. Scots who like to drop their pants at every turn. Check. Scots who objectify their women and use them as pawns. Check. Scots who strut around like girly-men, complete with titty twisters. Check. Scots who are so stupid they don't listen to their females... ever. Check. Scots who throw punches at every turn and like to fight each other. Check. I could go on. The whole thing plays like a bad parody of Braveheart and the caricitures and stereotypes depicted of the race are disgusting to behold. The entire staff at Pixar should be absolutely embarressed at what they put out. Disney used to make movies like Mulan and Pocahontas that finally started treating cultures fairly, with this they've backslid into the Song of the South era of laughing at and making racist jokes at the expense of other cultures.

  • July 18, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Who are you kidding?

    by Scarecrow237

    John Carter was a horrible movie, and Stanton is to blame for any marketing failure. He refused to provide the segments that could have sold the film, but a better ad campaign can't make trash into treasure.

  • July 18, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Pixar running out of good ideas

    by Avon

    Oh well. Let's get started on that sure fire Find Nemo follow-up then. Oh wait... shouldn't we think up something original as good or better than Finding Nemo again? nahh

  • July 18, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    THank you tailhook....


    Everyone thinks racism = black

  • July 18, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Pixar is settling


    WHen you go from a place that comes with the best original stories to one that just starts milking franchises.... 1) Cars 2 - Mater the main character - ridiculous 2) Monsters 2 - Ridiculous - Why - Especially since they settled the copyright lawsuit 3) Finding Nemo 2 - Cmon the 1st was a classic 4) Toy Story 4 - This is where they kill their Golden Goose Companies when they get successful lose sight of why they are successful ...solely for the money.... String of sequels instead of something like UP, and they still have the creative talent in house....shows the mouse has ruined a great company.....

  • July 18, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST

    What the **** happens anyway?

    by Avon

    Nemo gets lost again, what the fuck?

  • July 18, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Born under Lucas, Raised under Jobs...Killed by Disney


  • It's about a little boy who befriends the monster that sneaks into his room at night and together they go to the monster universe that is connected to every child's bedroom. The monster is blue, with blue hair, darker blue polka dots and cow horns.

  • July 18, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST


    by godhelpus

    John Carter was a bad movie. Really bad.

  • July 18, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    d.vader..Dude, you KNOW I don't make that "lazy" accusation lightly

    by conspiracy

    I'm one of the biggest Pixar supporters there are; I'm a certified Disney Fan and as you all know a shareholder who follows the mouse religiously. And believe me...after seeing Cars 2, which admittedly is aimed and has always been aimed as kids, I will stand my ground and say that Pixar has lost their footing. No..I have yet to see Brave either...but in talking to parents who have taken their doesn't seem to be hitting on all cylinders either; Parents were kinda bored with it as were the kids from friends reports...not BAD..but not Toy Story or UP quality. And I really do think it comes down to John not focusing 100% on PIXAR...but rather entrenching spreading himself out into Disney Corporate...already NOTHING gets done in the parks without his approval or input...and he isn't the head of Parks! In fact John bypasses the Parks President and reports directly to the point he was given a blank check of sorts to develop Cars Land (which is amazing). With Catmull close to retirement..and Lasseter being pulled this way and that as he looks to get into the head job someday...I just think PIXAR is lacking a captain that can give them the kind of full time attention and direction they had up until a couple of years ago.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Dark Jedi...

    by darshn22

    Is Completely right. As soon as Lassiter started working on other Disney projects after the companies merged, (cars land???) it was all downhill for Pixar... See if Brad Bird can take over as creative exec and I think they could head back in the right direction. Otherwise, Pixar is dead...

  • July 18, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Sorry Conspiracy, I wasn't accusing you of taking it lightly

    by D.Vader

    Sorry if you took it that way. I know you're a Disney fan and co-owner and all. As for Pixar, no one has a perfect record. You know that, we all know that. Kurosawa wasn't perfect and didn't have a 100% track record but is still considered one of the greatest directors of all time. I just hate that when PIXAR doesn't live up to their best film, they "suck". Or when they decide to make a sequel to one of their best, "they suck". I agree that having lost Lasseter has hurt PIXAR, but not *dramatically*. There are bound to be average films and good films and, once again, *excellent* films. So, I'm not sure if your "lazy" accusation was at the idea to make a sequel or a condemnation of their recent movies. I took it as the former. And since I've only seen 2 of their 3 sequels (and they were great), I just couldn't agree. No harm, no foul.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Pixar started its downward spiral way before the merger

    by Blarg Barfington

    A Bug's Life showed a chink in their armor, but it was Cars that really signalled the end, and that was all John Lassiter. It was his baby he nursed from cradle to grave. As for Lassiter being groomed to be CEO someday, that had not occurred to me but I'll bet you're right.

  • July 18, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST

    The 2nd movie showed a "chink in their armor"?

    by D.Vader

  • July 18, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Please, no sequel.

    by BurnedNotice_Dude

  • July 18, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Yes, d.Vader. What, you don't agree

    by Blarg Barfington

    You really think A Bug's Life is every bit as good as Toy Story? The point I was making is that A Bug's Life proved they were not infallible. Don't get me wrong, I like the movie. It's just not in teh same league as Toy Story. Notice how there has never been any talk of a sequel to A Bug's Life. Because we would all fall to the ground laughing if one was announced. Pixar rebounded quickly and churned out smash after smash, culminating with The Incredibles. I thought the PREMISE of Cars was great. The story and everything about it except the production design was mostly crap. And aside from a minor detour back to brilliance with Toy Story 3, they have been a minor player in animation. I daresay Dreamworks, who were once a pale shadow of Pixar, have actually eclipsed them. Kung Fu Panda, How to Train Your Dragon and Megamind are all brilliant.

  • July 18, 2012, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Wall-E and Up are also great films. I don't want to forget them.

    by Blarg Barfington

    But Cars, Cars 2, and Ratatouille are crap. Even the pre-credit cartoons on those films are crap. I haven't seen Brave but most people are saying it's ok at best, and Monster University looks like total crap.

  • July 18, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Carter problem was bad marketing - PERIOD!

    by Ted Knight

    The movie was VERY good. I was completely blindsided by how much I enjoyed it. Movie geeks (many not all) are elitist hive minded borgs who want to be on the side of pseudo-smarty pants "in-the-know" popular sentiment. Let's face it, among the folks here and on similar smug geek forums it was cool to dog on this flick because of it's huge budget and admittedly bad marketing decisions (the title for instance was a big blunder). It was a risky venture on behalf of Stanton and the producers because of it being such an unknown property but Stanton really did an incredible job crafting a movie with an emotional center to it. The ending gave me goose bumps and that's something this cranky cynic rarely experiences with modern releases. Excellent music score I might add as well. As for Nemo, Pixar is one more dud away from losing their mojo entirely. After Cars 2 and the disappointing Brave they need a comeback but, I'm not sure the sequelitis route is the way to go ...we shall see

  • July 18, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Phantom Menace hatred was "forced"?!?

    by menacingphantom

    omgomgomgomgomg lolololololololol

  • July 18, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Lasseter is more Disney now than independent...

    by DougMcKenzie

    twisted and evil.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST

    No, no, you're all wrong, you want the REAL story on the Monsters Inc theft?

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch Basically, you don't pay a guy out of court unless you want him to keep it out of the press. There are a TON of stories out there about PIXAR stealing ideas. But not much ever goes anywhere or gets reported or resolved. Why? That's the kinda silence that MONEY gets ya. Really big Mouse money.

  • July 18, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    d. vader, who actually said somethig up there about the "inventiveness" of Toy Story 3

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

  • July 18, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST


    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    There's this little cult gem of a 2d animated film? Absolutely BELOVED by people who remember it... called the Brave Little Toaster. John Lasseter was one of the primary creative people behind it.... Well, Toy Story 3 hijacks its entire plot from this movie... which I guess, is okay, right? If you wrote the thing, sure... But only they never TOLD anyone, no one much noticed, because Toaster is such a small, cult movie... and Lasseter took his Oscar and fucking ran back to Emeryville. Meanwhile, the Illusionist, a handmade movie of such meticulous heartbreaking art, an actual "animated" film in the "best animated picture" category, lost out to this commercial fucking sequel, and no one cried foul, and that is a fucking crime, really.

  • July 19, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Just saying, i would enjoy seeing a sex scene in this one.

    by Balkin Flabgurter

  • July 19, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST


    by Fries Against


  • You confusing me with someone else? I know The Brave Little Toaster. Watched it all the time as a kid. Its a great movie, and it deals in similar themes as Toy Story 3. It didn't take "the entire plot" as you say. It does share the same theme of not wanting to be forgotten by your loved one, possessions with feelings being thrown away.

  • July 19, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Blarg Barfington

    by D.Vader

    I love A Bug's Life. I just thought it funny you suggested that movie showed a chink in their armor, as it was only their second movie. I didn't feel like that's enough of a filmography to build up perfect armor, know what I mean?

  • July 19, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Finding Nemo 2 - earn us our $250 million back now, Stanton!!!

    by detinue

    Or else the next one will be, Finding Nemo 3 - Andrew sleeps with the fishes. You don't really think Walt built the Seven Seas Lagoon in Orlando for the tourists, do you? A lot of problems are sunk out there. Seen Rich Ross around anywhere lately? Capeesh?

  • July 22, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Thanks darkjedi!

    by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch

    I have a Facebook group called "Rights for Cartoons" which is supposed to exist as some kind of public backlash to the monopolization by the CGI industry of current filmmaking, and I've passed this down to our readers. If anyone ever said that "an out of court settlement" was legal jargon for "WE ARE PAYING YOU TO KEEP THIS QUIET", then, well, this proves that particular maxim. There is a conspicuous lack of press on this story, literally not a single word on the outcome of something you'd think would be big news- When the most beloved maker of modern children's animation has been accused, on multiple occasions, of plagiarizing other people's work, you'd think there would be more press... And it leaves a person to wonder why that is. Money, or public apathy... Or both. As long as people clap and cry sentimental tears, Pixar gets all the fan cake. Parents say "Oh my kid just LOVES those movies.", the conversation stops there, at the most shallow point possible. Stealing from the underground is shameful. Stealing from people's beloved cult classics like "The Brave Little Toaster" REALLY gets my ire up. And dvader, say what you want, Google "Toy Story 3 steals from Brave Little Toaster" and you'll see that I'm not the only one scratching my head about it.