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So, The Word On THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Is Out...

Nordling here.
I see THE DARK KNIGHT RISES on Wednesday, as does the Austin crew, but the embargo for reviews has lifted, and those reviews have started to tumble (see what I did there?) in. As far as spoilers go, the few I've come across are relatively spoiler-free. I'm most curious of Devin Faraci of Badass Digest's take - he's been mostly critical of the Nolan franchise so far, and it'll be interesting to read whether or not he has issues this time around (he also called INCEPTION the best film of 2010, so he's no Nolan hater, no matter how much his detractors want him to be). His review isn't up yet, but should be some time today.
In the meantime, here's a spattering of reviews from around the Intertubes: NOTE: The Hollywood Reporter review contains spoilers. Proceed at your own risk online today.
Drew McWeeny of Hitfix called THE DARK KNIGHT RISES "A triumph, a victory for all involved, and one of the year's most impressive efforts so far in any genre, on any subject."
Ed Douglas of ComingSoon.net gives THE DARK KNIGHT RISES 8 out of 10 stars, saying that Nolan "figures out a convincing way to wrap everything up in a nice bow, making one feel like he's created a bonafide Batman story in three movies that can stand up on its own merits completely separate from the comics or any previous incarnations."
Todd Gilchrist of indieWire says that THE DARK KNIGHT RISES is "a reminder that superheroes aren’t merely a frivolous distraction, or even a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but an embodiment of our best selves – or at least what we want our best selves to be."
Jim Vejvoda at IGN says "director Christopher Nolan and his team have delivered the grandest, most emotional and superheroic chapter in their Batman saga."
Todd McCarthy at Hollywood Reporter says this is the best Christian Bale has been in the role of the Dark Knight: "Needing to portray both his characters as vulnerable, even perishable, Bale is at his series best in this film. At times in the past his voice seemed too artificially deepened and transformed; there's a bit of that here, but far less, and, ... the actor's nuances increase."
More reviews will likely hit the Internet today, so if you want to stay away from spoilers, you should probably avoid your computer for the next few days. But the reports, so far, seem very positive and most consider THE DARK KNIGHT RISES to be a rousing finish to Christopher Nolan's iteration of this beloved character.
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oh and first? yup!
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July 16, 2012, 8:17 a.m. CST
How much better would this poster be with white eyes looking proper?
by UltraTron
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I've enjoyed the Nolan stuff so far. I guess I'll find out Friday if I like the way he wraps it up.
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Yes, in the Todd McCarthy review, right there. Assholes.
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July 16, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST
Does Bane still sound like Darph Nader from Hardware Wars?
by rev_skarekroe
Mmmfhmm rmmf fmm fmm!!
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In fairness to the chap, he did a complete u-turn after piling on Star Trek for a year or so before he saw it. His bile and vitriol for Nolan's Batverse is kind of staggering though. He always reminds me of that kid in school who isn't part of the club/group/craze/team and so rails against it in a completely disproportionate way. The problem he has is that he has derided, snarked, pilloried, lambasted and skewered BB and TDK for....ooooh.....7 odd years now. Even he if absolutely loves TDKR, and frankly, given the reviews, it loks like he'll be totally alone if he doesn't.....will he be big enough to chow down on that giant slice of humble pie and admit it?
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I'm excited to see how he wraps this up. Bale toning down the Bat voice isn't a bad thing! I wonder if they even mention the Joker. Just makes it even sadder that Heath Ledger is gone.
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July 16, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST
do not read the hollywood reporter, unless you dont wanna see the movie
by walt
its spoilerific and farewell to the greatest fairygodmother ever
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Not saying that I don't trust some reviewers, but far too many are shills, film school dropouts, or outright idiots. We all know that most reviewers are going to get on their knees for some directors or actors. I'd rather make up my own mind instead of listening to those in an industry which felates itself. Ironic since I'm on AICN. ;->
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July 16, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
Bruce Dies?!!!?! Third rock from the sun becomes nightwing?
by TheManWhoCan
that sucks.... that i havent seen it and am talking shite.<p> seriously.. does he die?I bet Caine dies ...worst Alfred ever but would make an impact then again might upset the kids! Freeman dies ,hes sort of a main character so it has an impact but who reaaaalllyy cares cos hes black! Am I right Hollywood moneymen!?
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Sometimes it seems like people try to do too much to incorporate symbolism into Batman art. It would have been a really cool art deco style poster otherwise. Been able to avoid spoilers so far for this (unlike The Avengers which I was pretty much waiting for each scene I had read about) so I just need to last a few more days. After this, I think the only movie I will go out and actually see is the Expendables 2. This is still easily the movie I was looking forward to most this summer.
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July 16, 2012, 8:32 a.m. CST
If Bruce dies, Nolan will be Schumaker 2.0 in my eyes.
by Jason Bartlett
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that he didn't really care for TDKR. His review will be up tomorrow, he thinks. I cannot wait. I got midnight tix in a legit IMAX theater. Not much of a night owl though and at a running time of almost 3 hours, I hope I don't get sleepy halfway through.
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just need to stay strong and stay away from spoilers. You can guarantee some gutless little cunt fuckwit will put a spoiler in his subject header here though. So adios until Friday amigos.
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the douche basically gives a blow-by-blow plot summation (including Bane's last moments). Fucking tool.
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July 16, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
If Devin called Inception the best film of 2010 than his opinion is meaningless.
by Jason Bartlett
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Still traumatized from the fuckery by both exhibitor and fellow audience members at TDK. I'll see it at like the first Monday or Tuesday matinee next week.
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That is all .
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not bad,not good but not bad
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not bad,not good but not bad
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not bad,not good but not bad
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July 16, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST
Will this one be as pathologically overrated as the last two?
by Scrunchie-Scroochie
I'm as open-minded as anyone, yet I still can't get my head around the almost universal praise these Nolan films get. I always figured the ridiculous amount of praise that TDK got was mostly because everyone jumped on the Heath Ledger thing, to get in on some sort of wierd group-masturbation self-righteousness circle-jerk. If this film gets equally spunked over, I can only assume it's because Tom Hardy just died in a botched self-asphyxiation wank or something.
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July 16, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
this series would have been great had it been an otherwords tale or miller's tdkr
by walt
but it aint. its nolan's take on the bat, and those not in the know take it as gospel so instead of the dark knight, world's greatest detective...we get bats as crime fighting christ figure and where does one go after that? i love how everyone cheered tdk...however, nolan the great missed the whole point of the killing joke anyway...this movie is gonna make a bil gl to dc/wb and geoff johns, trying to reboot into a bats that will fit in the jlu and the dcu
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not bad,not good but not bad
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July 16, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
and that's it for me until Saturday when I see it.... computer is being ripped out of the wall... or should I just turn it off???
by sam jacksons wig
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July 16, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
Attn Canadians! DO NOT read Postmedia's Preview Column due to BIG FAT SPOILER!!!!!
by tangcameo
Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with some columnists. If you haven't seen the previous movies, run your column past someone who has so you don't fuck it up for the rest of us. Chris Lackner should be fired!
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July 16, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
I just hope the Nolan fanboys keep the fapping noises down when I try to watch it in a few weeks.
by Jason Bartlett
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So he doesn't pull three all nighters and then watch this and complain about it being boring?
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It's not just his Batman films - Nolan was also covered from head-to-toe with sycophantic semen because of that fucking Inception film too. And no doubt after giving his fanboy's bollock-sludge a good swish and a gargle, he'll spit out an equally mediocre "Inception 2", inevitably to the sound of a million sweating nerds dredging up another acrid load from their abused, aching nards.
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July 16, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
why is the only ammo haters have drenched in gruesome sexual context?
by zom-bot.com
there is something wrong with you kids. pick up a thesaurus. learn some adjectives. tell us how you really feel without resorting to talk of ball-gargling and semen. unless you are seriously sexually repressed, ashamed of your sexuality and that's just what is on your mind all the time.
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July 16, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
And yet Akiva Goldsman is the one who got an Oscar, the man who gave us
by Joe
Not bad, little girl
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I'm going for a $250m opening weekend. A final domestic gross of around $700m.
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July 16, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST
I'll wait for the four hour DVD director's cut extra deleted scenes Ann Hathaway's giant penis version of this.
by Mike McCutcheon
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July 16, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST
So Wayne gives up being Batman for 8 years to protect Dent? Riiiiiiiiiggggggghhhhhtttttt
by Jason Bartlett
Extremely out of character.
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I just want it to be a good movie. I loved the Avengers, but damned if I'm not more excited for this movie! TDKR has too much going against it to be this years box office champ anyway. Long runtime means fewer showings, non-3D prices etc. I'm just happy that this year has been so great for comic book movies with not one but 2 blockbusters with totally different approaches. Both will definitely be Bluray purchases for me and I hardly ever buy movies.
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July 16, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
I just watched Batman Begins and The Dark Knight back to back...
by I Hope You Die
Batman Begins doesn't hold up well on repeat viewings. It feels like it's caught somewhere between The Dark Knight and the old Batman movies. What Nolan did, though, was "reboot" a lot of elements from Begins in Dark Knight. The look of Gotham is different (the monorail gets destroyed in Begins and presumably the Wayne enterprises building with it, removing all the less realistic elements of Gotham's depiction in the first film). He got rid of Katie Holmes (the absolute worst element of Begins). Wayne manor has been destroyed. It feels like a straight sequel while cleverly managing to reject all the hokey elements of the first movie and that's the genius of it: it makes people falsely remember Begins as being better than it was. There's still some fairly stupid stuff in The Dark Knight, though, so I hope he's done the again.
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So excited!
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July 16, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
yeah I'm a little sick of the fanboy division with TDKR vs Avengers
by zom-bot.com
I mean what the fuck? Why do we have to to 'pick a team'? I know comic fans, and they read both DC and Marvel. who GIVVVVVVVVES a shit which takes more box office? bet amongst yourselves if gambling is your thing...otherwise you have nothing to win or lose based on the box office take of two movies that will succeed with or without you and your diatribe. are you guys really so foolish that you have been conditioned to pick a side and hate the other blindly? did you fall for the conditioning of coke and pepsi? republican and democrat? If i liked avengers, I can't like batman? really???
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July 16, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
I just want it to not suck. And not kill off Bruce Wayne.
by Jason Bartlett
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July 16, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST
It will be IMPOSSIBLE to beat "Marvel's: The Avengers" because it's 3 hours long.
by Bruno
A near 3 hour movie won't be able to have as many showings in a day as a 2 hour movie. So it won't break the opening weekend record of set by The Avengers this year. It will likely do 165-175 million over 3 days, I anticipate that cinemas will be flushing out the crap that is in the theaters now and adding TDKR on more screens though. But it's not 3D, and most people (like myself) only intend to see this in IMAX, so that limits it's gross as well. What will happen if that this movie is good, it will have very very very long legs. Hopefully it's not a disappointment. I got my IMAX tix in advance. I'm not a huge fan of the franchise, but it's Batman. I enjoyed Batman Begins more than TDK, but based on trailers, this movie seems to have the action I feel was missing in previous installments. I hope it's good. I don't need it to change my life. I just want a good movie.
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July 16, 2012, 9:24 a.m. CST
The hollywood reporter doesn't really say anything that we haven't heard
by nephilim138
and still doesn't say just how bad Batman gets fucked up by Bane or how the final showdown ends.
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SPOILER ALERT: John Blake's full name was announced by commisioner Gordon during the last scene as "Richard John Grayson" to the academy of police officers to honor those who died including Blake, as they believed. As he continues to give his honorable speech about what happened to Gotham especially Batman, we see John Blake putting on Catwoman's mask without the ears (it broke as you'll see it as to what happened to Bruce and Selina during the final encounter with Bane), the remaining body armor of Batman in close up view. Then drives the batpod away from the scene into the credits as Gordon finishes his encouraging words. The downside was, it left us audiences in the special screening of TDKR to wonder if Blake is Robin or Nightwing.
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July 16, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST
Total Film in UK 5* review but 'not as good as The Dark Knight" -
by Fortunesfool
Since I thought the Dark Knight was very over-rated those five stars don't mean much. Take it how you will. Empire gave it 5 too.
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I grew up wanting to see my favorite comic characters come to life, and I didn't think it would ever happen. Now I think most people take it for granted instead of appreciating the fact that studios are even making these movies. We got The Avengers (which was not a perfect film, but it was fun as fuck) and The Amazing Spiderman (which was a fun relaunch that tried to do this correctly this time) and now The Dark Knight Rises (which is closing out a successful trilogy) and people are bitching about every fucking thing. When these movies suck we get shit like Ghostrider. And these three films are nowhere near that. Just enjoy the fucking movies and be fortunate that they are finally making them. And for the most part, making them well.
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July 16, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
@b81, you're right. I love many DC and Marvel comics all the same.
by Jason Bartlett
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Yeah yeah, he took the fall for Harvey Dent and all that. So what? He could have just written a letter to the editor of a Gotham newspaper explaining that he had a psychotic breakdown that day, but it's back to business as usual for him now. Fuck it, guess he wasn't needed anyway. Pretty implausible that after 8 years Catwoman and Bane would show up for unrelated reasons at the exact same time. These movies are fucking retarded.
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July 16, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST
DON'T KILL BATMAN!!! And my vote for best superhero film ever is yours....
by Dogmatic
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July 16, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
There is no "fanboy division". Theres just Nolanite douchebags one side and normal people on the other. Marvel/Avengers fans loved TDK as much as everybody else.
by dahveed1972
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Sounds extremely gay. Unless they spinoff a new trilogy and he ends up becoming the new Batman over the course of the three movies.
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Why don't you wait to see the movie before you start bitching about it. Maybe there are other reasons given about why.
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July 16, 2012, 9:44 a.m. CST
And Nordling, no one give a flying fuck what that troll at Badass thinks. Why even bring him up? This site...
by dahveed1972
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Hey, I was wondering, did you see it at a special showing in Germany? We couldn't tell.
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and call me when nolan actually makes a movie about batman
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Please wait until after the weekend if you have seen it already.
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July 16, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
what is it with you people and devin...nordling doesnt include his review...he hasnt written one yet...get a fucking grip
by walt
he's a troll, but all of you arent?
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Yes well said
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An arrogant, thinks-he's-better-than-the-average-geek cunt. I also get the impression that he is one of those nerds who always has to get the last word in, who always has to correct every single little detail that's not exactly perfect, and who has an overriding obsession with "being right." You know - exactly the kind of nerd I walk away from whenever they start up on their high horse about whatever butthurt of the moment happens to occupy their time (see: the ridiculous, constant butthurt over "Promethus," or Devin's current bugaboo: pissing all over anyone who even dares compare "Pacific Rim" to "Neon Genesis Evangelion.") Plus, whoever administers his website should be fired. The site locks up constantly, and has a following of sycophantic dorks, who all think their shit don't stink.
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*** POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT BELOW *** That limited edition poster is very interesting when you look closely at it, isn't it.....
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This spoof ending is genius! http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a68048c801/dark-knight-rises-ending-leaked?playlist=featured_videos
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I really honestly do. I want to know how it ends because if it ends the way I've READ it ends, I owe a few people money because I lost a bet.
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July 16, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
Cant wait for it. In Nolan I trust. Dark Knight will crush the Avengers. - playmo.tv is the shit
by Bjarni
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early morning showing, no fucking fuckers spoiling my viewing.
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July 16, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
The amount of money a movie makes doesn't mean it's good...
by nephilim138
dumb cunts.
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Wanting to hate or dislike a movie is for 12 year olds. It's obvious people here want to hate the film. People everywhere else appreciate it or are excited for it. You can dislike Nolan's style if you like, but you can't fault the films and what they've accomplished. With all the crap out there like Battleship, Transformers, GI Joe etc etc etc... attacking these films amazes me. They may not be your 'cup of tea' but, for goodness sake, appreciate them at least.
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July 16, 2012, 10:13 a.m. CST
The Avengers was an awesome movie. Shut the fuck up, retard.
by Jason Bartlett
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Case in point being Avatar... In my opinion of course. Perfectly fine day at the movies for me, but I was a little floored that it broke all those records...
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I loved Avengers. It was like the comics. The Dark Knight trilogy is like a Batman graphic novel. Tow completely different films in the same genre. I love them both. I must be super-intelligent... or just a normal fucking person.
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im curious. as the movies are based on 20 year old stories. it was those stories that set the tone...not nolan
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July 16, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
Bruce Wayne is not dying in this. At best they leave it ambiguous, and he retires.
by hank henshaw
Btw, it's super lame that this Batman barely had a career. How much time passed between BB and TDK? 1 or 2 years? He then spends 8 years away. Comes back, gets his back broken, spends some time away to heal, comes back, defeats Bane and quits again? Seriously? Wow. Very un-obsessive-compulsive crimefighting, very unlike Batman should be.
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I look at these films like I look at the great Batman graphic novels. The ones that aren't 'cannon' but great nonetheless. The stand alone books. Dark Knight Returns, Speeding Bullets, Gotham By Gaslight, Long Halloween, Killing Joke (could be argued that it's cannon but still a stand alone) These books are the artist and writers versions of Batman. The Dark Knight trilogy is Nolans. What have they accomplished? I would say they elevate the "summer movie" above what it has become. When mindless films like Transformers rule the summer and dreadfully cliched and badly executed films like Battleship get funded, a film like Dark Knight stands out. Something with character, originality, a story and something to say. All within the confines of "popcorn entertainment' Wouldn't you say that is something to appreciate? Whether or not you enjoyed the films.
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July 16, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
Ice cold freeze cold freeze cold frozen ice cold chill chilling winter
by Joe
Ice winter ice chill cold ice chill cold freeze chill freeze winter ice cold cool ice frost winter ice freezing ice cool freeze. And Akiva Goldsman got paid millions to write that.
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July 16, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
the Funny or Die spoof is very SICK - Bane gets severed head blow job after chopping off Batman's head to do the nasty deed- fucking sick as shit and outrageous
by Michael Lunney
I hope no one tells me I should have given a spolier alert to the SPOOF ending!!!! just go watch it- it is almost unbelievable, but very well done!!
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July 16, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
Just until Friday, can we please impose a spoiler free rule on this?
by Lord Elric
Because more then once, a movie has been accidentally spoiled merely by going to the page the news article is on. Talk about this, sure, but don't spoil anything until Fri. PLEASE. Many thanks, if so.
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July 16, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST
If Devin Faraci says he didn't care for it, then it's probably a masterpiece
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
General rule of thumb is to always go with the opposite of what that fat fuck says.
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July 16, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
Why would you click on a link about "the word is out" on a film and then COMPLAIN ABOUT SPOILERS????!!!!
by Carl
CESUS JUCKING FHRIST
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Jack the Ripper is probably a good 'legend' to compare Batman to, and he was only active for ONE year - 1888.
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July 16, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST
You people need to quit being comic book nut-huggers
by seymour_scagnetti
Stop insisting filmmakers take them as literally as you do and learn what an adaptation is.
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July 16, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
The Hollywood Reporter only seems to spoil the first half of the film
by Carl
It doesn't say how it ends, and it doesn't say if you know who is you know she.
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July 16, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
I figured out the "Nolan Twist" in this movie (Potential Spoiler)
by akumaryuken
My guess is that Bane is Ra's Al Ghul. He suffered injuries at the end of Batman Begins during the train accident but survived. That is why Bane has spinal scars and needs the anesthetic mask. Liam Neeson's cameo is probably for the "unmasking" scene. I'm not sure how they will account for the height differential (5'9/5'10 Hardy vs 6'4" Neeson).
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July 16, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
jamam - here's the link - the Funny or Die spoof is very SICK - Bane gets severed head blow job after chopping off Batman's head to do the nasty deed-
by Michael Lunney
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/a68048c801/dark-knight-rises-ending-leaked?playlist=featured_videos I hope no one tells me I should have given a spolier alert to the SPOOF ending!!!! just go watch it- it is almost unbelievable, but very well done!!
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You didn't convince me you meant that. Truth is, a legend can be created in a single instant.
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The point of 'The Killing Joke' is that Alan Moore doesn't understand the Joker. A rote 'deconstruction' that turns a primal force of chaos into 'society's own victim.' The same one-trick Moore's been pulling with other people's characters since he started. That said, if Bruce dies in this, then the whole Nolan-Elseworlds-Franchise can go fuck itself--
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And what happened with Prometheus at the Con?
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July 16, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
And all the fans as one creamed their shorts in exhilaration...
by mastermold
Let's face it: At this point, Nolan could film himself taking a nasty shit in a paper bag, call it The Dark Knight Releases, and everyone would call it a triumph.
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July 16, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
Nolanites, horrible creatures. I avoid them where I can.
by Volllllume3
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July 16, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
"I'm most curious of Devin Faraci of Badass Digest's take - he's been mostly critical of the Nolan franchise so far"-- He's been 100% critical!!
by D.Vader
Thats asshole is so vehemently anti-Nolan, he refused to believe people would have given the film a standing ovation last week. You can't trust that guy.
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Like comparing oranges to eggs. If anything compare Marvel Production movies to DC/WB movies. Or compare it to Justice League when it comes out. Avengers was an entertaining film. TDKR will also be an entertaining film. END of story.
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Or like comparing Dumb and Dumber to Bad Santa, or something. Not that I've seen The Avengers. Actually 'eggs and oranges' was a perfectly fine analogy, I should have just left well enough alone.
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July 16, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
Return of the Jedi was also called a triumph when it was released.
by shane peterson
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True story. This is the only story on the front page that the headline doesn't end with an exclamation point or two.
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......to back up his opinion of TDKR. AHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA holy jesusballs.
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You know those stars are bought and paid for. It cost 40 grand. You want to get Kubrick a star raise 40 grand. Fans just raised money so Adam fucking west could get one. Those stars mean dick.
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OK, now I’m excited! Here’s a breakdown of Bane: http://www.cinemabums.com/?p=397
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Excellent counter-argument; I'd assumed you might be an older poster who actually knew something about the characters and their history. Thanks for clearing that up. Alan Moore isn't a great writer. He's a comic book writer who uses the exact same device to add one layer of dimension to flat, stereotypical characters. Over and over. Come by the comics discussion board here sometime. You could learn something.
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Back when he was at CHUD. That is all that need be said as far as this man's credibility is concerned.
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July 16, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
NO WAY WARNERS LETS NOLAN KILL OFF BATMAN. BRUCE WAYNE MAY NOT BE BATMAN AT THE END, BUT I'M SURE THE ENDING IS LEFT AMBIGUOUS FOR FUTURE SEQUELS.
by Darth Busey
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July 16, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
WARNERS MADE NOLAN CLEAN UP BANE'S VOCALS, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KILL THE GOLDEN GOOSE, TOO.
by Darth Busey
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Another emo-broody mess of a Nolan film, where the villains are unrecognizable as Batman villains, and ANOTHER "hey, we're being blatantly topical" storyline. Can't be as obvious as The Overrated One's cell phone triangulation/Patriot Act storyline from The Dark Knight. And please let it be that Gordon Hewitt is actually Joker. That would remove Ledger's ridiculous performance from being attached to the Joker, and Nolan could take credit for creating a new Batman villain: Uninteresting Sloppy Make-up Guy.
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Bravo, Mr. Nolan, bravo.
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LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!! I NEED ATTENTION!!! I WILL HATE UNIVERSALLY LOVED FILMS AND PERFORMANCES TO GET ATTENTION... Oh flip63hole...you contrarian fanboy crap is just that crap.
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July 16, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
So yes, I went to THR to read the spoiler-packed review...but got the best news I've heard all day instead; a slideshow of images from The Dark Knight Returns animated movie!
by REMcycle
I knew this was happening, I just didn't know it was coming so soon! http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/gallery/dark-knight-returns-animation-pics-327898#1
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You're a moron.
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Gave it 3.5 out of 4 http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/reviews/the-dark-knight-rises-20120716
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No BATMAN! (Figured it had to be said...)
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...you've posted that VERY SAME line "Nolanites, horrible creatures" etc. etc. on juuuuuuust about every single article about this movie. If you're going to troll PUT IN SOME EFFORT
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http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=92571
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July 16, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
So....we all know what it means if she weighs the same as a duck...BUT...
by Carl
What does it mean if she only weighs the same as an unladen African Swallow? Eh...eh? Think about it.<p> *formerly RedWhiteNegro*
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July 16, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST
The only thing that bugs me about Nolan/Nolanites (never heard that one) is...
by Carl
They INSIST that all this stuff is "real world" possible. Ummm....no. If a fucking bus crashes out of a building and meets a pack of other buses----on a busy street both ways---there's gonna be a pile up. Movie over.<p> And that's only one. I used to have a whole list.<p> Then I just watched them without the Nolanite baggage and TDN became pretty damn brilliant. It has that kind of *disturbing* vibe of a Romero flick. Plus most of what the Joker says about society and ppl is right. Creepy. He's like Batman's "Jigsaw".<p> I still don't like B-Begins at all.
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"The movie may not top The Avengers at the worldwide box office, but it is a far, far better thing — maybe the best, most troubling, assured and enthralling of all the superhero movies. "
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This much is absolutely clear.
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Please dont die Batman
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No but WB or someone did. Is it a honor? Sure I guess. But the fact of the matter is you don't earn it. It is bought and paid for.It's just marketing for the movie. It's like real estate the better the location the more expensive.
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douche from Hollywood & Fine "magazine" 300+ comments on RT and his Website has crashed! feeel the wrath of the nerds!!!!
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There's some major spoilers in that review - even if some are hidden. We all suspected some, but proceed with caution.
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July 16, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST
gettigeven - the bus escape nearly wrecks the entire brilliant bank heist.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
The editing and camera work of that scene should be studied by film classes for years to come, as a lesson in economy in storytelling. There is not a wasted moment in that scene. Have a feeling that Nolan's topped it with the mid-air plane escape.
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Fan-Dorks are giving the Alex Jones drinkers a run for their money.
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July 16, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
Bane is actually Dent and Batman puts him in a headlock and says "I'm sorry Dent, tap, it's okay, I love you!" Dent taps and they walk out of Gotham together in slow motion.
by notcher
I would actually laugh at that ending so hard I'd die.
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Give Thomas Jane the chance for a reboot. That fucker knows the character!
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Shame Thomas Jane never got to make the movie he wanted too.
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The greatest living writer in the entire comics industry? The best comic book movies, including TDK, don't have a tenth of the character depth or intricate plotting of Watcmen, V for Vendetta or From Hell.
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hbo series....NOW
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Hope he has some greater successes in his future career. He's really an untapped talent.
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cuz he is a fucking geek...just like us and hollywood doesnt take him seriously saw an interview of him done at the con...he was listing out artists, like we do...geeking as he was saying their names said, "if you are a comic fan, you know who these guys are" and he spit that line out he...like many of us, is just as pissed that the con has been taken over by the suits he is....DARK WHEDON he knows it, he lives it....and he needs this project
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then saw your remarks. Fucking sick. Bring Jane back as Frank Castle. Jane is one of the most likable actors around and he deserves a franchise of his own.
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would have been far more believable than that gay scientologist.
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Wayne nor Batman had better be killed off at the end of this as it'll make for a pretty shitty send off. It's predictable and I expect better from Nolan, don't disappoint me please..
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Can't wait
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IF the ending about bruce wayne retiring is true I will not see the movie. I feel that is completely dumb. I am not going to waste my money on something like that.
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Jane is fucking cool though, not too late for the suits to get smart about him.
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July 16, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
What troubles me with all this "Nolanite" crap.......
by david starling
.......Is how many people loved the previous two out there, and just want to see the last one, and aren't Nolan "groupies" at all. How do you class them? I have seen some utter childishness on the talkback. I'll see this, and ride above the twats that flame.
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July 16, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
Peter Jackson already beat the 'third film curse'
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Yeah, we could quibble about aspects of ROTK but those faults are present in the first two movies, too, and I'm pretty sure TDKR will be far from flawless also, despite what over-enthusiastic bloggers are telling us.
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July 16, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
There was one critic who gave an absurd, obviously agenda-driven negative review. He said it was just as disappointing as B&R. The review was taken off of RT.
by AzulTool
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July 16, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
LOL. Nolanites go crazy over at RT because two critics caused the 100% rating to drop to 93%.
by parissun
These people are insane. I bet they will boycott the site if TDK drops below the Avenger's 92%. I remember a time when I used to dream of getting movies like Spider-man, Avengers, TDK, LOTR, Hobbit, etc. And we are getting them but nerds find a way to whine and complain about them. You'd think the studios were making Meteor Man 3 or Mansquito 2. Many of these movies are good to great. You may not be a fan of The Avengers, Batman or Spider-man but to call any of these movies awful is a out right lie.
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July 16, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
I bet that critic was Armond White
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
The guy who thinks Transformers 2 is better than Blade Runner.
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Why? This is not the comics. I man doing this night after night could not keep this up no matter how much he wanted to. Think of it like a athlete eventually your body gives out. Bruce does not want to be batman forever he said so in begins and in the dark knight. Once Gotham does not need him any more he always planed on giving it up. I really don't see what the big deal is. If there is no need for batman why be batman? What is batman going to do. Beat up jay walkers? he is only concerned with organized crime and the corrupted bureaucrats making the decisions for everyone else.
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July 16, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
Why would anyone care what percentage a movie gets on RT?
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Fuck! TDKR dropped by 2%! How can I go on?! Fuck! Fuck!!!!
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July 16, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
err, I mean SNIDER. From that very prestigious source known as FILM.COM
by AzulTool
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Completely incomprehensible action sequences aside, that opening sequence dialogue is pretty much shit. Heath Ledger did a lot of heavy lifting, and the film falls apart when it's not about serious men discussing serious shit. Batman Begins stretched its arms a lot more and inhabited the world a bit better. There were a lot of iconic memorable moments that felt like Batman mythos (the training in the Far East, the death of the parents, the discovery of the cave, the escape from Arkham). But the trailer for the third movie seems to be about larger action sequences and less real-world tension or high stakes, which can throw this movie off balance. The Joker burning Gotham down was heavy shit. Ra's Al-Ghul driving everyone mad was a big deal. Batman walking away for 8 years and then Bane showing up to make everyone's lives "really unhappy" is just something I'm not feeling. Also...SPOILERS.. ... Seriously, though, Bane takes over the city for a month and a half while Batman trains and then there's a giant fist-fight in the streets between terrorists and the police? What is this, the Jets vs. Sharks rules of gang violence?
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are a legitimate film critic? Sometime it looks like it post reviews from people who have no business reviewing films. Like people with blogs that no one visits.
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July 16, 2012, 2:05 p.m. CST
Soon to be followed by Devin Faraci: "TDKR is worse than Roger Corman's Fantastic Four and I want Nolan burned alive for his hackery!"
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
and Armond White: "Nolan's po-faced aesthetic is no match for the elegant fluidity of the camera composition in Green Lantern. TDKR is nihilistic C-grade Low Art pastiche masquerading as Brechtian dramatics" Those two reviews should probably take TDKR down to about 81%. The Nolanoids will be apoplectic with rage. Also, I haven't visited the site, but I'd wager TDKR currently sits at a perfect 10 score on the IMDB and at the very top of its '200 greatest/ highest rated movies ever made' list - and none of these cretins have even seen the film yet, but have already voted for it! Internet criticism and the online community are laughable!
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I want Nolan to direct Mansquito 2.
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July 16, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
A lady who wrote a bad review for "The Avengers" got attacked so SHUT THE FUCK UP MARVELITES!!!
by notcher
I live in a fucking world where I can like BOTH Marvel movies and Batman! Anyone who is trying to say you can't is a fucking douchebag who fell out of a gigantic prostitutes overused vaginal hole. There are going to be negative reviews, and that's fine!
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guess nolan is too fuckin stupid to realize that arc, like the death of supes, was a cash grab by dc no one will create new characters for them anymore...so since the mid 90s, everything has been an event btw....jim lee is the korean stan lee....a fuckin whore
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Why have the story which Nolan isn't going to do continue on? How about doing something NEW like having a hero actually SUCCEED? What a novel idea! I don't get why Batman has to go on like the ending of "Quantum Leap." Been there done that too many fucking times.
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What a stunning spoiler to find out Nolan used Marvel's The Punisher in DKR.
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The reviews here and on rottentomatoes.com are spectacular! JOY JOY JOY!
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you fat nerdy idiots will realize one day that nobody cares who is better, Joss Whedon or Nolan, or whether you personally think that a movie like TDK happens to be overrated(which is totally subjective) and maybe, just maybe you guys will get out there and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH YOUR LIVES.
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Batman sacrifices himself & crashes his Bat with Bane's nuke into a lake - Wreckage found, no body is found. <br> <br> Bruce Wayne dies, but really Bruce does his vanishing act with Selina in tow. <br> <br> Ra's al Ghul (Liam) is seen in a dream only, while Bruce is recovering in prison.<br> <br> Miranda Tate is revealed to be Talia. She stabs Batman while he's fighing Bane.<br> <br> Bane is killed by Selina, saving Batman.<br> <br> Blake is called Robin, but doesn't like the name. He finds the batcave at the end, but never puts on a cowl.
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July 16, 2012, 2:22 p.m. CST
What is with all the "don't read (site), contains spoiler" comments
by David_Denmans_Beard
Are the writers of those articles attempting to drum up hits to their sites? Here's a tip - write something worth reading, you'll get more hits than you know what to do with.
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Dude really!!!! Harry or someone delete that shit. Didn't people just ask to please not post spoilers.
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There aren't any.
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July 16, 2012, 2:36 p.m. CST
"There was one critic who gave an absurd, obviously agenda-driven negative review. He said it was just as disappointing as B&R. The review was taken off of RT." -- Reply
by TheFifthCylon
There was one critic who gave an absurd, obviously agenda-driven negative review. He said it was just as disappointing as B&R. The review was taken off of RT.
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July 16, 2012, 2:37 p.m. CST
I think "Shut Up and Play the Hits" is going to pull off the biggest upset in film history by outgrossing TDKR this weekend.
by AzulTool
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thx for the warning... can't say that I read much Post Media. I worked for their former parent company for about 5 years. Great staff, but editorial and management are a bunch of fucking tit bags.
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I don't see why you're having such a fit over scriptgirl_nipples' post. Assuming it's accurate, they obeyed the unwritten rule of spoiler posting. They put SPOILERS in all caps surrounded by double asterisks on both sides. That means that their post will contain significant plot details from the movie in question. The beauty of the redesign of this site is that now, you actually have to click on a comment's title to read the comment itself. I found it annoying at first, but in situations like these, its uses become apparent. You didn't have to click on scriptgirl_nipples' post. You chose to. Just because you: A) didn't take the spoiler warning at face value, or B) couldn't help yourself is nobody's fault but your own. End of lesson.
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July 16, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST
Bruce Wayne goes to prison at the end, until Paul Walker and Vin Diesel break him out revealing Nolan's next movie as "Fast 6 and the Furious."
by notcher
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I tend to read with all post open. It is my fault really. But still there is no need to post that information yet.
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is accurate
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Eric no offense, but you're a douche. This is a spoiler site, the article eludes to that, this is a talk back on AiCN, the dirtiest place on the interweb, but you want it to be spoiler free. There are a million other places that are, fuck off and go visit them. I hate people like you. I hope my comments don't come off to negative Eric, just trying to help.
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July 16, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
The Dark Knight will kick Spider-Twilight in Spandex-Man into oblivion.
by Franck
And everyone will forget about one while the other will be remembered for years. One will be available in the $3.99 bin at Wal-Mart while they'll release remastered versions of the other. Mark my words.
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July 16, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
Ninety Fucking Seven Percent on Rotten Tomatoes! The Dark Knight Returns & Rules!
by Franck
And 100% of top critics! Enough said.
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Spoilers Below... Bane defeats Bruce by showing him his parents are still alive and the whole Batman thing was a waste of his life. Bruce shocked by the news immediately gives up being Batman. Commissioner Gordon laying on the ground with a broken back shoots Bane in the mask the mask falls off and familiar looking scars are revealed around Bane's mouth, Bane was the Joker the whole time (with a shaved head and lots of Steroids). Bane and Gordon then die. Bruce goes home with his parents, marries Anne Hathaway blows up the Batcave and everything in it. Pretty cool I guess this is how they got around not having Ledger for the Joker. The End tag is that Thomas Wayne is back in Wayne Manor looking in the mirror and pushes in on the skin on his face, and the skin starts move and bubble...Clayface.
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July 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
So i am a douche for wanting to come here and talk film
by eric haislar
I have been on this site for over 10 years. I don't think it's so much to ask to not post spoilers for the most anticipated film of the summer. I mean shit it's not like i am asking for much.
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July 16, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
So i am a douche for wanting to come here and talk film
by eric haislar
I have been on this site for over 10 years. I don't think it's so much to ask to not post spoilers for the most anticipated film of the summer. I mean shit it's not like i am asking for much.
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And about equal to the Avengers, just the polar opposite side of the emotional spectrum. Not a knock, it just is what it is.
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July 16, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
early reviews for movies like this, on rottentomatoes, are always hyperbolic nonsense. Eventually numbers will go down a bit.
by hank henshaw
Prometheus was low 90s, ended up at 73%. The Avengers was high 90's, settled at 92%. The Dark Knight is at 94%, which is more or less what Dark Knight Rises will end up with. Which I guess is nothing to scoff at.
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July 16, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
Why do some inconsiderate assholes insist on posting spoilers on this thread?
by Franck
I guess the answer lies within the question...
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Because I've never seen a vagina
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...than this will be WORSE than 'Batman & Robin'. I *HATE* 'Batman & Robin', but at least Schumacher had enough respect for the fans, the character and the franchise to put the toys back in the toybox when he was done. Killing off Batman will be a disrespectful cheap 'stunt' and will sully the film. If Nolan does that, he's entered into cheap gimmick territory and I will damn him.
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July 16, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST
"I've been coming here for 10 years but am shocked at seeing spoilers"=Douche
by Dancingforever
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it's not a review, it's the whole effing movie I never saw the warning here but stopped reading the HR review half way through. I now know way more than I intended to but I applaud Nolan for going there and forgive Todd for his enthusiasm end of line
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July 16, 2012, 4:04 p.m. CST
Todd McCarthy = The Same Man Who Thought SUPERMAN RETURNS Was a Masterpiece, Better than the 1978 Film, and that John Ottman's Score was Better than John Williams
by Dursman2000
...must have been dating Singer and/or Ottman at the time. One of the flat-out craziest, batshit reviews in history: http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117930841/
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But I never feared it wouldn't be. You know you can't kill Batman so having him fake his death is a nice way around it. The Catwoman killing Bane though, that might be a tough sell.
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July 16, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST
@dancingforever this is a site with spoiler warnings because what matters most is the freedom to choose whether we want our movie spoiled or not.
by Franck
People who post spoilers without warning or post endings that add absolutely nothing to the debate are douche. People who tell others to fuck off just because they disagree with them are the douche. Dancinforever I hope my comments don't come off to negative , just trying to help, although in your case I am afraid all hope is lost. Douche.
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July 16, 2012, 4:07 p.m. CST
With all these GLOWING reviews, here's a surprisingly negative one.
by Jarrete Barnett
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_21086945/review-dark-knight-rises-is-disappointing-even-boring Very minimal and insignificant "spoilers", if any.
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July 16, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
See ya on Friday, folks. My TDKR Media Moratorium officially begins....NOW!
by AzulTool
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At least Nolan's Batman crap will finally be over.
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July 16, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
Looks like the Nolan Batman trilogy is shaping up to be the best movie trilogy of all time.
by FreeBeer
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July 16, 2012, 4:25 p.m. CST
Only perfect trilogy before now has been Toy Story. 3 out of 3
by FreeBeer
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One problem with your argument: the "douche" in question (scriptgirl_nipples) did indeed post **SPOILER** above her comment. If somebody doesn't want to have the movie's plot points spoiled, then they shouldn't read a post entitled: **SPOILER**. Am I wrong? So who's the bigger douche here? The person who posts clearly labeled spoilers on a thread called, "So, The Word On THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Is Out..." Or the person who reads those spoilers, even though they're clearly labeled, and then whines about it?
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Many argue here that he wouldn't take the fall for Dent, especially for eight years. But, that was only the event that got the ball rolling: Obviously, without seeing the DKR yet, it was clear that Gotham PD are not portrayed as fools, unlike in previous Batman films and TV, instead there are portrayed as competent. Meaning, if the Dark Knight was seen, Gotham SWAT or TAC would descend on the area because he was declared by GPD to be public enemy number one. Not that they would catch Batman per se, he's pretty wily, but it would be hard to do anything other than run with police dogs and helicopters chasing you whenever you showed up. Also, Batman no longer would have unofficial access to crime scenes under Gordon's watch – not even the Commissioner has that kind of power. It could be that Wayne just lost heart when he saw what happened to Dent. It is possible he thought it better to disappear after the loss of life and carnage that occurred in the first two films – I believe Gordon called it "escalation." That is until someone shows up in Gotham, like Bane, who is so brutal he may even rival the Joker. So what Nolan has done makes sense to me. Anyway, my two cents.
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It was "**SPOILERS** (plural)," not just "**SPOILER** (singular)," so that should be even more of a legitimate warning that plot points would be spelled out.
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Well said.
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I hope Nolan cuts his dick off.
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July 16, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
Anyone who refers to Nolan as a "journeyman director" has no credibility.
by Retlaw Kciuq
And who the fuck really bashes Toy Story 3? Really.
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A great review from a critic I respect. But...major, MAJOR point spoiled in the last paragraph and the first comment. I am so furious with myself for reading it. Any self-respecting Batman fan, DO NOT READ IT.
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There everywhere. No one can write a review without giving it all away. Fuckers telling you to watch out for the surprise ending etc should be shot. I even got in my car and turned the engine on - they're on my radio talking spoilers! I know know about a character in the film before I could turn it off. Fuckers.
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July 16, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST
I'm avoiding anything to do with The Dark Knight Rises for the rest of the week.
by Jarrete Barnett
Everyone's going "spoiler-happy" all the sudden, even though most of it is probably speculative bullshit, anyway. Better safe than sorry.
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without feeling the necessity to divulge everything about the movie from beginning to end. It basically defeats the purpose of a review if you're willingly ruining the entire experience for your readers... but don't tell them that.
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That ending was posted as a joke by someone who hasnt seen it, other people then copied it like it was fact. I really do hope it is fake as that ending sounds shit and could end up ruining a great film.
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Off course I'll be seeing it, but what a shame it's coming to an end. Then again we can look forward to what Nolan comes up with next. Then there's the question of Warners wanting to continue making money from Batman and so will get another director to make the next Batman. How does someone follow Nolan. see my mixed emotions!
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I'm with ya. After I found out about the Superman cameo at the end, I felt like the movie was spoiled for me. No more spoilers. Especially the one where Batman adopts an orphan named Richard.
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July 16, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
Ok, so Devin Faraci is receiving faaaar too much attention!
by Tank Williams
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July 16, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
some of these critics who have been negative on TDKR seem weirdly pleased with themselves over their contrarian position
by jules windex
Nothing new to see "professional" critics be full of themselves, but they're usually less obvious about being agenda driven like this.
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The dragon of internet fandom must always feed. It will even consume itself if not given a proper target. I direct those who want to bag on this flick before seeing it to give the full force of their spleen-venting and bile to the thought of the Rock as Lobo, maybe? Or the fact they're giving the 'Man of Steel' a metal shirt. Or, even go out and find /truly/ shitty things to hate on. Because while you might not like DC comics, Batman the character, superhero fiction as a sub-genre of action flicks, or just want to nibble at something because you're bored, there's OBVIOUS shit out there you can be blasting and destroying. Also, I'm gonna do my best to make sure Batman gets a fair shake at the cinema. But Avengers -- damn, that was a FUN movie. This looks like it's going to be an entertaining flick, but more 'serious' and 'final' in tone than Avengers, which has the excitement of a new series. Just saying, trolls and would-be critics, find something really terrible to shit on first. Not everything sucks as bad as Batman and Robin, but something that shitty will come along and all your hilarious observations will be spot-on. I know you want to be the first to find the Jar-Jar in this one -- the first to say it was shit, and not be the fucking guy with all that Jar-Jar merchandise in his house the day after Episode One comes out. But it's not worth spending your energy on. God, I'm old. I'm trying to reason with the internet. Fuck me. Anyway, it's not entertaining to me to hear bitching and complaining because you don't want a movie to exist. I like when you guys tear things a new asshole when they SUCK -- Like Crystal Skull! Or, shit, Battleshit! You could shit all over that pile of shit. Monopoly's going to be a movie, too! Crap on that one! Anyway, save your energy. People who say that Inception was a shitty movie as shorthand for 'overrated' -- ugh, man. Get a new thing on the internet to be. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Bruce Wayne's got to die or fake his own death in this one. Also, the guy who pretty much figured out LOST, has the best theory as to why Wayne dies in this flick. I look forward to seeing this badass flick in IMAX. More Batman is good for me...I'm a big Batman fan. :)
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July 16, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
Remember four years ago when people on AICN said a third Fil
by BoyNamedSue
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Because it would never be as perfect as TDK. (sorry about the first two failed posts...stupid iPhone).
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The dragon of internet fandom must always feed. It will even consume itself if not given a proper target. I direct those who want to bag on this flick before seeing it to give the full force of their spleen-venting and bile to the thought of the Rock as Lobo, maybe? Or the fact they're giving the 'Man of Steel' a metal shirt. Or, even go out and find /truly/ shitty things to hate on. Because while you might not like DC comics, Batman the character, superhero fiction as a sub-genre of action flicks, or just want to nibble at something because you're bored, there's OBVIOUS shit out there you can be blasting and destroying. Also, I'm gonna do my best to make sure Batman gets a fair shake at the cinema. But Avengers -- damn, that was a FUN movie. This looks like it's going to be an entertaining flick, but more 'serious' and 'final' in tone than Avengers, which has the excitement of a new series. Just saying, trolls and would-be critics, find something really terrible to shit on first. Not everything sucks as bad as Batman and Robin, but something that shitty will come along and all your hilarious observations will be spot-on. I know you want to be the first to find the Jar-Jar in this one -- the first to say it was shit, and not be the fucking guy with all that Jar-Jar merchandise in his house the day after Episode One comes out. But it's not worth spending your energy on. God, I'm old. I'm trying to reason with the internet. Fuck me. Anyway, it's not entertaining to me to hear bitching and complaining because you don't want a movie to exist. I like when you guys tear things a new asshole when they SUCK -- Like Crystal Skull! Or, shit, Battleshit! You could shit all over that pile of shit. Monopoly's going to be a movie, too! Crap on that one! Anyway, save your energy. People who say that Inception was a shitty movie as shorthand for 'overrated' -- ugh, man. Get a new thing on the internet to be. Anyway, I'm pretty sure Bruce Wayne's got to die or fake his own death in this one. Also, the guy who pretty much figured out LOST, has the best theory as to why Wayne dies in this flick. I look forward to seeing this badass flick in IMAX. More Batman is good for me...I'm a big Batman fan. :)
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July 16, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST
This is the shit I wanna hear. This is what makes me love this new Batman saga so far
by AttackingClone
reminds us that superheroes aren’t merely a frivolous distraction, or even a wish-fulfillment fantasy, but an embodiment of our best selves – or at least what we want our best selves to be.
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"Easily one of the most anticipated movies of the summer, the thought of seeing Christopher Nolan's final step in remodeling Batman for modern day audiences could very well be an overwhelming experience if one doesn't go into it with slightly tempered expectations." That's how NOT to start an "analysis"
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They also visit a site where spoilers are everywhere and yet still bitch! Nothing to see here, folks. Just the plants whining!
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In that sense, he's like the movie Prometheus. Both are pretending they're fancier than they really are. Nolan shoots every all grim and heavy, giving everything a false sense of intellectual weight. Any discerning, intelligent person can see through the facade. That's not a bad thing, because under all the pretense is an excellent B movie. Just try to look through all the crap and you'll see that cheap little gem in the center.
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Avengers is a better film.
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July 16, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST
This column in highlighted in red and even says "spoilier". Speaking of spoilers....**
by Punisherthunder
Batman dies at the end of this....end spoiler**
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Michael Caine even quotes the last lines from Tale of Two Cities. Until I heard that, I wasn't sure that Batman would die, but now I am. BATMAN IS DEAD!!!!
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and currently has 531 Nolan worshiping douche-bags trolling her page. Nolan fans are just like Whedon fans. No matter what they will blindly see any crap they put out and never accept any criticism valid or not.
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personally, i don't know anyone who worships to the altar of nolan, reviewer or movie buff. but i hear from a bunch of people who hate on him just because there are people that like some of his movies, or because he hasn't made a horrible movie yet. there aremediocre ones and good ones, but he has not had a bomb or a horrible movie. and i'm just a neutral vote. I could give a shit about nolan. but i don't hate him because it's cool to be different.
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He's barely been Batman at all. 1+ year b/w Begins & TDK. Away 8 years...in his prime now less!!! Reappears than gone for good?!? WTF!
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His whole style to making Batman films has been very European...bring on the reboot!!!
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July 16, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jul/16/review-batman-series-ends-as-epic-letdown/?_r=true
by Queefer Sutherland
Read the truth.
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July 16, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
Batman would never stop fighting crime. Nolan doesn't understand Batman.
by Queefer Sutherland
He only pretends to. Joss Whedon understood his characters and was more true to them than Nolan.
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his is the problem when you’re an exceptional, visionary filmmaker. When you give people something extraordinary, they expect it every time. Anything short of that feels like a letdown.
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July 16, 2012, 10:37 p.m. CST
Ann Hathaway sure hides that HUGE penis well in that tight leather costume!
by Queefer Sutherland
She's what I'm looking forward to the most. I'm hoping to rub one out before they ask me to leave the theater.
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Batman Begins was great. I thought it was a pretty decent adaptation of year one, or as good as we could hope for. Then I couldn't wait for TDK, except to be sorely disappointed. IT turns out that Nolan's Batman: Kills people. He sabotaged the train Ra's was on and "didn't save him" which is like cutting brake lines and not saving someone. He killed dent to save a kid, but there was surely a non fatal way out. That's what Batman does, is find the way out. Batman is not by any means a detective. He has no interest in being a detective. He relies almost entirely on tech he does not understand. Batman was ready to quit for love. That's not Batman! Batman would not quit for love! Batman quit after Dent died. That's not who Batman is! Batman is obsessed and prowling the streets, not retiring! Nolan has made movies about a city, borrowing the bat characters to draw attention without being true to them at all. Nolan does not get Batman, and has not made a batman move after begins.
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"personally, i don't know anyone who worships to the altar of nolan" because you don't want to know or simply aren't paying attention. You think the 531 posters on that negative review who are complaining about a review by someone who HAS seen the film when they haven't isn't a list of Nolan haters?
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Didn't take long for people to take off their Nolan-blinders and witness the true mediocrity of his film-making prowess.
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Dang good points. Dang good.
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July 16, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
Telling you man. It's ENORMOUS. Oh,she doesn't like to brag or anything,but...OH MY GOD...she doesn't have to! Suprised she can walk with that thing swinging around.
by Mike McCutcheon
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July 16, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
Telling you man. It's ENORMOUS. Oh,she doesn't like to brag or anything,but...OH MY GOD...she doesn't have to! Suprised she can walk with that thing swinging around.
by Mike McCutcheon
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July 16, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
Telling you man. It's ENORMOUS. Oh,she doesn't like to brag or anything,but...OH MY GOD...she doesn't have to! Suprised she can walk with that thing swinging around.
by Mike McCutcheon
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July 16, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
Nolan was probably a better director for the Punisher
by Queefer Sutherland
He'd have been perfect for that, instead of fucking up Batman.
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Exactly! The people who think I hate Nolan don't get it -- I don't hate Nolan -- the films are well made -- but I LOVE The Bat Man -- he was my original favorite comic book character from Neal Adam's Dark Detective to Miller's Dark Knight -- but this ain't Batman. He's a fighter, not a detective. Since Batman is not super like other heroes, he relied on his brilliance -- he STUDIED, not just the Martial Arts, but Science -- even in Tim Burton's BAT MAN, he figures out the Joker's Smilex formula -- and MAKES an antidote. Nolan's Blade wanna-be mopes around the city, with an Old Black man as his brain and an old Englishman as his heart. Batman does not quit. He fights crime. MOSTly by being smarter than the bad guys, but when push comes to shove -- he can shove with the best of them. So that's why I don't like TDK -- it's not the Bat Man. I'll see this movie -- friends of mine worked on it -- technically it will be first rate, but I will not CARE what happens to Bat Man, because he's lame. Cool car. Too bad he didn't design it. I hope you knee-jerk reflexive Nolan blowers will at least READ my post, and try to understand why I don't like his Bat Man before you start calling me a cunt. My opinion is mine, and it's as valid as yours. This isn't Batman. It's just Blade or The Punisher in a cape.
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Exactly! Your points are right on. Batman from the comics (the real Batman) pretty much has a personality disorder where Bruce Wayne is his mask, and he really IS Batman. For Wayne to retire from being Batman just doesn't make sense. It should be the other way around where Batman retires from being Bruce Wayne. Batman is mental, and that's what makes him great in the comics. Nolan makes his Batman more of an afterthought and not the main focus of the story.
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July 16, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
Queefer, Nolan for Punisher is inspired. Punisher totally fits his "real, grounded, gritty" vision.
by hank henshaw
It will never happen, tho. It's like my dream of Brad Bird making Superman, never gonna happen.
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July 16, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
with all due respect, Peter Jackson DID NOT break the trilogy curse
by LabattsBleu
Tolkien did. rest assured, if TROK was a shitty book, Jackson would have turned it into an equally shitty movie. I love what Jackson accomplished on the LOTRs, but its not like he was making it up as he went along now...
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many bad films have been made from good books. Just because Jackson had a good story on which to base his script doesn't mean he was guaranteed to make a good film. That being said, I'm not sure it WAS that great. I became more and more bored with each movie. I couldn't wait for the last one to end. The first film had heart. The next two just had a bunch of battles and Frodo on the rag.
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July 17, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
queefer sutherland , how do you know the Washinton's review is the truth, you haven't seen it yet. *sigh*
by FreeBeer
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Just read his latest post on The Dark Knight Rises. http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/16/batman-fans-lose-their-minds-over-negative-dark-knight-rises-reviews/ I called him out on it, and he dropped the ban hammer on me.
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July 17, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST
Faraci is telling the truth - you guys are mentally ill
by Queefer Sutherland
You give fandom a bad name.
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July 17, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST
freebeer - I just know it, man. I just know it. I'm that smart.
by Queefer Sutherland
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July 17, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
Where do people get this idea that the TTT and ROTK don't have heart?
by starlesswinter7
Just because they have more special effects, it doesn't mean the emotion wasn't there. ROTK was incredibly emotional, even to a fault for some people. Theoden's death, the Grey Havens scene, "I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you," etc. You can take issue with those scenes, but "no heart" certainly doesn't describe them.
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July 17, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST
starlesswinter7 - You have your opinion, I have mine. Fucking live with it.
by Queefer Sutherland
I'm so sorry if your self-worth is damaged by my not agreeing with you.
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I wish I could stay and continue to enlighten everybody, but I have a life to get back to. I'll return tomorrow to see it anything exciting has happened here, but I doubt it. Just the continuing clown parade, I'm sure.
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My self-worth is damaged because I challenged your opinion? You're the one who apparently got upset. Nothing about my post was mean-spirited. I simply offered support to backup my thoughts while you offered some hyperbole.
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July 17, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST
Ann Hathaway's giant penis? Well I think that would be MORE than enough reason to stand in line for this movie.
by Mike McCutcheon
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July 17, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST
Ann Hathaway's giant penis? Well I think that would be MORE than enough reason to stand in line for this movie.
by Mike McCutcheon
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Lets just say that Jackson and his wife (and I forget the third person involved) did a tremendous job in adapting the books and obviously the direction... if you were bored with LoTRs, just wait until they turn the Hobbit into three books as is rumored... As a big fan of Tolkien, I'd love to see it...but I can see why it would be stretching things too far and would be perceived as a giant cash grab...
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I swear I've seen this film before... And Anne Hathaway obviously had a sex change operation, just as Pam Grier's character did in the original film.
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I knew they wouldn't top TDK. Mask of the Phantasm is STILL number 1. Then Burton '89...
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July 17, 2012, 2:21 a.m. CST
Thanks! But... NO Thanks! Ridin this pony spoiler free!
by illegal alien vs sexual predator
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Brad Pitt won't even speak to his director on the set of World War Z... LOL. http://www.vulture.com/2012/07/brad-pitt-not-talking-to-world-war-z-director.html
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July 17, 2012, 3:17 a.m. CST
As long as the film doesn't have scientists petting grey alien penis snakes and gynormous plot holes... I'm sold.
by SunTzu77
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If I remember correctly... she gave props to that pile of shit... I'm definitely not going to listen to her opinion.
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I respect your comments but to say crap like Nolan's Batman is the Batman is idiotic. Batman has been around for decades and he has changed depending on the culture/writers/etc. This is a Batman... it's no less Batman then the animated series or Batman89. If you don't like Nolan's Batman that is fine but to pretend there is some Holy Grail definition of Batman is wrong.
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July 17, 2012, 7:53 a.m. CST
"Tell me where the detonator is...THEN you have my permission to die."
by mrmrdr75
Clearly says spoilers everywhere Eric, after 10 years you should have caught that. Ever wonder how all the crying began? http://moonwolves.wordpress.com/2010/12/25/obituary-aint-it-cool-news/
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I have been guilty of checking out his reviews just to see if they buck against the trend. But enough is enough, I've actually seen this film and for him to give it a negative rating is beyond ludicrous. He is a contrarian arsehole. I'm not going back to his site. Ever.
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Who gives a hot shit, you quivering ninny? Go play with your Batman action figure and make him do what Batman does, pud!
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Don't shoot the messenger.
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What kind of mouth breathing, cheese dick chud motherfucker do you have to be to threaten a movie reviewer for not liking your comic book hero movie? If any of you knuckleheads pulled that nonsense, you have to punch yourself in the nuts. Right now. Hard.
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July 17, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
84%? Woah, I thought it would end with a similar score as TDK (94%). If this holds, I stand corrected.
by hank henshaw
Where is you God now? As suspected, without a dead actor playing The Joker, the score is now similar to that of Batman Begins (85%). Again, not bad, but not the flawless masterpiece some people want TDK to be.
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Nobody ever told Frank Miller that.
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July 17, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
HEY- YOU GUYS WANT TO KNOW WHO THIS MOVIE ENDS? WELL THEN, JUST GO ON OVER TO....
by Michael Lunney
YOUR LOCAL THEATER WHEN IT COMES OUT, AND SEE IT!!!!!!!!!! Wonder how many people looked here for the ending , hoping they could get all angry and insulting, screaming WHERE'S THE SPOILER ALERT!!! because they thought they could find out the ending that they didn't want to know about before seeing the movie, but took a look anyway to see how the movie ends? Ahh, fandom - many of you guys do give fandom a bad name ( death threats and all to critics, sheesh)... but I love the entire geek community anyway (except for that one guy, of course), speaking as a lifetime geek. . I hope this movie is a stunning success as a film and as entertainment- looks really solid from the recent previews - I am really looking forward to seeing it!!!!!!!!!
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I am not Bane!
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July 17, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
Anyone believe antonio_joeblosuphus? Maybe it's just a Batman robot, or someone else dressed as Batman? Does it matter? If true, is it actually a surprise or spoiler? Don't cry for ME, Argentina... cry for your soul for revealing the ending....yawn....zz
by Michael Lunney
Anyone believe antonio_joeblosuphus? Maybe it's just a Batman robot, or someone else dressed as Batman? Does it matter? If true, is it actually a surprise or spoiler? Don't cry for ME, Argentina... cry for your soul for revealing the ending....yawn....zzzzzzzz
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July 17, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Does Bane = Mitt Romney? It would make sense, right? Right?
by Michael Lunney
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I haven't seen it, but if it's true it's hardly an earth-shattering 'didn't see that coming!' twist that's gonna ruin anyone's enjoyment of the film is it? It's the only satisfyingly dramatic way to end the trilogy, really, and anyone who doesn't already understand this in the back of their mind deserves to get hit with a movie-ruining spoiler.
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July 17, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
84% Doesn't Mean Anything. 32 Fresh. 6 Rotten. TDK had 21 Rotten and so did The Avengers. Friday will tell score.
by hoorayforeric
Star Wars > Lord of the Rings Nolan Batman Trilogy > Anything Marvel Top 5 Best Trilogies All-Time: 1. Star Wars (Original) 2. Nolan's Batman 3. Indiana Jones (Raiders - Crusade) 4. Back to the Future 5. Toy Story Iron Man may finish strong for a good solo trilogy. Avengers needs two more movies. And I'd give the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy (not counting the 4th) higher marks than the "Lord of the Rings."
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July 17, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
One Spoiler > shelling out 15 bucks to see pretentious movie.
by cookylamoo
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July 17, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
So, just asking, how did Amazing Spider-man do compared to other Super-hero films.
by cookylamoo
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It dropped like a giant turd it's second week. TDKR will erase it from our memories this upcoming weekend.
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I'm sure DKR will be good, but as another poster mentioned here, it will have all the fun of a 3 hour divorce deposition.
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How much the toys, merchandise, and DVD/Blurays will make.
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July 17, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST
Reviews are worthless nowadays, but for the opposite reason than used to be the case
by SergeantStedenko
When movies like Prometheus, Amazing Spider-man and Bad Teacher get praised by critics, you know their words mean nothing.
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Do your best schtick coma you nobody. A 12 year old probably told him to go ride the baloney pony and all of a sudden he needs secret service protection from the 117 people who accidentally found his blog site. Go wash your vagina you girl! Oh no I just threatened Devin Faraci, better call seal team 6 queermo.
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and Lord of the Cock Rings sucks... we got that... all true...
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Thank me later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe33gdWPxc
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July 17, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko - I used to write film reviews for my local newspaper- with all due respect, I thought my reviews were valid, although I never expected everyone to agree with my opinions
by Michael Lunney
But, on the other hand- times have changed during the last 20 years, and now anyone who types thinks they are a critic I understand what you are saying, but disagreeing with a critic does not necessarily invalidate their opinion - think about it, have you ever seen a film that you didn't like, only to come to appreciate it, and vice versa?
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July 17, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
benjamin74 - huh? is what you wrote supposed to make sense?
by Michael Lunney
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July 17, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
mcgootoo, I was always been a big fan of film criticism
by SergeantStedenko
I remember watching Siskel and Ebert's At the Movies religiously as a kid. I used to read every movie review in all my local papers. Now, I can barely get through a movie review. You're right, everybody with a computer and access to the internet is writing a review these days. Rotten Tomatoes' Tomatometer is pointless since nobody knows who 95% of these people are. And so many reviews seem bought. Harry gets criticized for selling out his reviews and while I don't think that is totally true, I do believe that special treatment by the Studios, including fun Swag or Pwesents, does have to have a positive impact on your experience when watching a movie. And the possibility of being cut off from that if you write something negative also must be in the back of the minds of these "critics" when they are writing a review and can mean the difference between a flat out negative review and a half-hearted faint praise review. I see this in Harry's writing all the time. I guess I should just stop looking at the Tomatoemeter and only read the reviews of the critics I trust. Also, I think that there has been a huge lowering of the bar for standards of what constitutes a good movie overall, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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He can slander the Nolan Bat films and suckle the Rami teat until both parties turn blue but the unmitigated shit he wrote shortly after Ledger’s death is unforgivable and the man deserves to have his bloated ass handed to him for it. It’s one thing to have an agenda against these films (which is evident) but to denounce and marginalize the widespread grief at Ledger’s passing makes him one of the most horrible human beings to ever shit up the Internet. It was a cunt move by a fucking nobody and were I related to Ledger I’d have tracked fat boy down and had a “discussion.” By the way, I am referring to an article that he wrote over at CHUD years back. It was grotesquely nasty.
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July 17, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
all of the negative reviews call it "bloated"
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
at 2 hours and 45 minutes. If you don't like the movie then yeah, you're going to think this is too long. I do think that sounds a bit on the long side, I would prefer 2 1/2 hours. But then many of the positive reviews are VERY positive
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Being crucified for man's sins...
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I could have used another 30 minutes to develop Two-Face a little more. That is my only criticism of TDK. Oh, and I wish they kept Katie Holmes as Rachel, as terrible as she was, just for the continuity.
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I disagree with him on the Bat films, but whatever, those are just opinions. That fucker came off as such an arrogant, cocksucking prick in the CHUD days that I won't even view his current site. What a piece of work. I can't believe Harry ever even let that disgusting SOB write some articles for this site. In summation, fuck that guy.
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July 17, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko - even with those critics I trust for their opinions, I often disagree with their opinions - bottom line- critics are guides- not zen masters with infinite wisdom
by Michael Lunney
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Nolan has earned our respect and trust with the previous two films. If you didn't like those movies, than the odds are you aren't going to like this one either. Everyone who enjoyed Batman Begins and TDK is going to see this to see how the series ends. And no negative review from someone just trying to get attention by being a contrarian is going to prevent that.
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It's Batman folks! The best he's ever been portrayed on film. That much is certain. Enjoy it nerds!!!
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July 17, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
mcgootoo, I don't have a problem with opinions that differ from mine, at all
by SergeantStedenko
Roger Ebert famously trashed Blue Velvet, one of my all time faves, back in the day. Of course he has since come around to my way of thinking on it. But, the problem I have with film criticism in general is that for the most part the quality standards for movies have been lowered so much and most critics, Ebert included, seem to have moved lock step in line with them. I realize that this calls into question what standards am I using to make this generalized judgment call. My own?
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July 17, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST
sergeantstedenko - well said, my friend....well said...
by Michael Lunney
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batman is not jesus christ for that matter, neither is superman someday, someone will make a movie about the world's greatest detective
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Sherlock Holmes?
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July 17, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
Even though I have enjoyed Nolan's Batman, I would love to see the next live-action film go wildly in the opposite direction - anyone else up for a film with Bat-Mite and Ace, The Bat-Hound?!!
by Michael Lunney
Even though I have enjoyed Nolan's vision of Batman, I would love to see the next live-action film go wildly in the opposite direction - anyone else up for science fiction Batman film, a film with Bat-Mite and Ace, The Bat-Hound?!!
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July 17, 2012, 5:21 p.m. CST
I'd like to quote the Anton Ego character from Ratatouille concerning critics:
by Ted Knight
In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little, yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face, is that in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is probably more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.
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July 17, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
Who gives a Fuck what Faraci, or any critic thinks...be your own judge.
by conspiracy
In a day and age where anyone with a fucking internet connection and a collection of bad B movies and Godzilla toys can label themselves as qualified to critique a film...your opinion is just as valid; maybe more so.
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July 17, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST
conspiracy - because the best critics offer intelligent thoughts that may enhance one's viewing experience in a positive way, amplifying aspests of a film that you might not otherwise notice - for example:
by Michael Lunney
Roger Ebert's commentary on one of the Citizen Kane DVD releases is like taking a Master class in that film- his insights are remarkable, and they enhanced what I consider the best film ever made with detail after detail, and I have seen the fiolm numerous times before hearing his commentary I don't consider most internet blogger film criticism to be as valuable. Sometimes fun, hardly ever valuable. If you limit your intake of film criticism to only the internet, well, then, I can see why you dismiss it so readily.
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July 17, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
stargrove - sorry to disagree- but superior, intelligent film criticism, is designed to keep people from wasting their time on the *average piece of junk* [shitty films], will always be more meaningful than those shitty time wasting films
by Michael Lunney
stargrove - sorry to disagree- but superior, intelligent film criticism, designed to keep people from wasting their time on the *average piece of junk* [shitty films], will always be more meaningful than those shitty time wasting films Because they saved you time, and money. Ya gotta trust some opinions, some of the time. Too many movies, so little time..... It wasn't always this way kids.....
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July 17, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST
Let's face it. Some people (especially movie critics) don't have the greatest taste in movies.
by Jeff
Most people and movie critics don't have the greatest taste in movies. If you did you'd realize that Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were remarkably well written. Especially The Dark Knight.
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July 17, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
thewire82 - most people don't even know what subtext means, so yeah.....
by Michael Lunney
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July 17, 2012, 6:49 p.m. CST
thewire82 -and the worst of them all are people who declare, proudly, but always boneheadedly, *I know what I like* - run away from those people as fast as you can!!!!
by Michael Lunney
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July 17, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
...a fucking internet connection and a collection of bad B movies and Godzilla toys...
by DoctorWho?
ZING!
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July 17, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
No, neither Batman Begins nor The Dark Knight were remarkably well-written.
by Stifler's Mom
Good scripts, both with big problems. Both suffer from huge gaps of logic, leaden exposition, and clunkly third acts. See Gordon's final monologue in THE DARK KNIGHT- the final scene of the movie, no less- as an example of just plain bad writing.
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I love Bats too but jeezus...
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actually write bad reviews of big films that are getting amazing reviews to basically get a larger internet presence, its called link baiting and its used to gain more natural links to their site in order to appear higher in search engines. Then there are other who just do it to try and look cool, controversial and rebellious, they tend to end up looking like bell ends. Both the above also crave the fame of it too. On the other scale you get those writing glowing reviews because if they don't the studio will stop inviting them to screenings or give them really cool collectibles which are also used to get said reviewer or site to up the hype. Its pretty much the same with most reviewers of any big media products. Now that isn't putting everyone in one of 2 boats, there are reviewers out there with a genuine passion for what they do and they give honest opinions and try to resist the temptation of ruining their integrity. So if you really want to make a stand against the bad reviewers, don't comment on their sites or put a link to them, they're like spoiled children so just ignore them, like they say "the only bad press, is no press!"
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Sorry man, I know I'm confusing. I just pretended to turn anti-Noland because of the fervency of the Nolan dweebs here. Personally, I don't give a fuck about canon and remaining all that faithful to a character. I just want a good movie. Nolan's Batman is the best Batman we've been given by far. I like Avengers and Batman, Whedon and Nolan. I think there's room for both. Plenty of room. They compliment each other. One's weakness is the other's strength. But when people start getting WAY too fervent about their Nolan and their Batman, I feel the need to push some buttons. I hope that clarifies everything.
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July 17, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
mcgoo I personally, over time, have learned reviews just can't be trusted.
by Ted Knight
Reading them or, watching them in some cases, are incapable of capturing how a movies aesthetics and characters are going to affect your own personal sensibilities. I can not emphasize enough how ones own personality, beliefs and emotions determine whether a story, its design or the characters that inhabit the universe created will ultimately form a favorable connection between the viewer and movie. I do agree that sometimes a critic does in fact get it right but, you can never be absolutely sure until you have personally seen the movie for yourself. I mean, in specific cases, is a negative review from a trusted critic going to be able to keep you away from a movie you have been highly anticipating for months on end? Excuse my rambling but one final thought... IMO critics have less sway over audiences now than at any time before. I guess you could thank the internet for that. Now, everybody has an opinion and a megaphone to amplify it across the world. I'd say it's word of mouth and sheer mega scale viral marketing that has more of an impact on attendance at the B.O. than mainstream critics' judgments ...positive or negative
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Does that include every feature length bat flick release since West and Ward? If so, then ABSOLUTELY!
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July 17, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
CONFIRMED---Batman dies in the end of TDKR....http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/david-letterman-spoils-dark-knight-rises-hathaway-batman-349012
by Spaced_Invader
CONFIRMED---Batman dies in the end of TDKR....http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/david-letterman-spoils-dark-knight-rises-hathaway-batman-349012
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July 17, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
CONFIRMED---Batman dies in the end of TDKR....http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/david-letterman-spoils-dark-knight-rises-hathaway-batman-349012
by Spaced_Invader
CONFIRMED---Batman dies in the end of TDKR....http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/david-letterman-spoils-dark-knight-rises-hathaway-batman-349012
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July 17, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
CONFIRMED---Batman dies in the end of TDKR....http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/david-letterman-spoils-dark-knight-rises-hathaway-batman-349012
by Spaced_Invader
CONFIRMED---Batman dies in the end of TDKR....http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/david-letterman-spoils-dark-knight-rises-hathaway-batman-349012
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The amount of people I know who'll say "what do you mean its shit its had good reviews" or "Empire said its no good and only gave it 1 star" How many times do you see film critics quotes are on posters, adverts and the covers of DVD/Blu Rays? Especially when its big names like Empire, The New York Times or even Aintitcool. The general public do pay attention to these things or marketers wouldn't be using them. People search all the time for sites that review things from films to mobile phones, reviews can make or break things at times and a glowing review of a film will put more bums on seats. I do agree word of mouth is the number one way of marketing anything, so if the word of mouth becomes "yeah but IGN said its awesome" that has an effect. Just look at the hype that was whipped up by the Tweets coming from The Avengers premiere , that had a huge impact and made it the 3rd biggest money making movie, that is a type of word of mouth, but isn't that also coming from critics? To film fans and fanatics like yourself, me and others on here, we have learned that critics talk shit etc, but we are in a minority so this type of marketing is still effective and will no doubt always be there to a degree.
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July 17, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST
Let's face it, this HAS to be better than Prometheus. I like Bale, but his Batman reeks of PAYCHECK!
by CodeName
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July 17, 2012, 9:34 p.m. CST
After seeing Prometheus, I am willing to chase it down with a TDKR soda.
by CodeName
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July 17, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST
kakii the blurbs on DVD covers and posters are so generic and ubiquitous at this point that they are kinda rendered meaningless at this point.
by Ted Knight
As far as reviews effecting business, I just don't see it as being able to overcome pre-release for months (sometimes years!) of marketing hype. After all, look at the Transformers and Twilight B.O. numbers. Those are routinely raked across the coals mercilessly and have seemingly no effect on attendance. It's all about age demos at this juncture and kids, teens and young adults are the ones predominantly filling movie studio coffers with all that dough. You mentioned twitter and I whole heartedly agree that social networking is as big a factor as any for spreading the excitement. For the discriminating mature viewer however, I will concede that reviews will have more of an impact on the decision to watch something, but these kids stampeding to theaters are just looking for a way to be a part of a media manufactured "event".
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It's one of the myriad reasons I'm starting to become a jaded cynic about the state of movies nowadays. Watched Altered States and Outland on blu-ray over the weekend and was able to temper my bitterness ...temporarily
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However theyve now got the tv spot trailers with quotes from critics. If a film is getting bad reviews they normally search all media to find someone who did like it and in some cases take quotes out of context. Big summer blockbusters tend to always do well and the hype beforehand is an important factor i agree. There are some cases were people dont listen or understand that a film like transformers will get a bad review from more serious critics, however in the UK most people will read tabloid or the free local paper reviews etc which wont be as harsh as other more well known sources. So it maybe that marketing is slightly different per country, i am only going off my experiances from the UK. As for some films like the twighlight ones, they haveca huge blind fanbase that will go see all the movies even if 1,2 or all of them turn out garbage. Worst case being those who still blindly go to each installment of the resident evil franchise in pure blind hope that one day a good movie will be made lol
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It's not released until the 26th.
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July 17, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
@ antonio_joeblosuphus, what's the surprise? None of the previous Nolan movies were never entirely true to the Batman character.
by hank henshaw
It was always Nolan's interpretation of Batman. His Batman was never a detective. His Batman always seemed to be willing to give up crime-fighting if given the opportunity. No batcave, at least not the traditional concept. No batmobile, no bat-a-rangs (there were some bat-knives, though), nothing that truly hinted he was obsessed with bat imagery. I get why so many people liked his Batman. It's a cool Elseworlds version. It was a necessary move to undo the damage done by Schumacher's Batman & Robin. In a perfect world, the next one, a JLA-compatible Batman, should be more to my liking, but it's WB we are talking about. They'll find the way to muck it up.
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Spit the dick out of your mouth and get over it! Batman still lives, just not in this movie. And it's JUST a movie, you pathetic motherfucker. God, I can't believe people invest SO MUCH in fictional characters. It's mental illness, folks. If you're that upset, YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL. Got it?
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I apologize.
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Man, one day, bro.. we'll get a good Batman. One day. Don't know why talkback hates you, but your points are valid.
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Okay, leave me out of this ancient curse, then. All I really want to know is this: Can Batman move his head left to right this time? If Nolan kills Batman off in this last movie, then... is Nolan saying that his Queen (of England) is the supreme ruler of all and America is a second tier little brother who has fallen, or is Nolan trying to send a real message out to the world in hopes of taking down the Illuminati?
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July 18, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST
So this movie isnt that great then? Ahh who cares...its Batman..YAY! DN
by paul cook
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I'm not that familiar with queefer buy you are seeming much more like a douche at the moment. The people who bitch about remakes need to stfu. Most of the remakes they complain about are not even remakes. They just have a stupid kneejerk reaction if something has the same name. Girl with dragon tattoo for example is not a remake, yet people would not shut up about it. Total Recall is not a remake, but a different adaptation of the source material. Better actors, a much more serious take etc. Remake can mean reimagining, i.e. an original take on material. It's not always a bad thing.
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Read last night that the RT staff were not going to allow posting by non-critics till Friday because of threats against reviwers, lol, sad but funny. They also need to police their own tomatoe scoring, because I noticed that two reviews that were given rotten status, were actually B- and 2.5/4, which percentage wise is 80 and 62.5%, so those two should actually be labeled as fresh not rotten.
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some of us care about you, Queefer. Batman cares about you.
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July 18, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
Rex Reed of the New York Observer just annihilated this movie.
by david hambre
Holy crap! http://observer.com/2012/07/the-dark-knight-rex-reed-christian-bale-michael-caine-christopher-nolan/
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...is irrelevant and always has been. He should be reviewing Broadway shows and not film. He HATES all genre films...horror, SF, fantasy, etc. etc. The more Reed tears apart a film, the better that movie actually is. (You can take that to the bank!) Going by him, that means that DKR might be close to a masterpiece. I'd only be worried if he liked the film. Since he doesn't, I'm MUCH more optimistic.
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RT has JR Jones review as Rotten, but when you read his review h gives it 4.2/5 stars. Something is rotten at RT. Thats three improper labels. One review had B- which is 80% and another 2.5/4 which means 62%, so those editors at RT need to get with it.
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And watching something that we ALL can agree is awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYiMcInuyWc&list=HL1342641229&feature=mh_lolz Blee dat, playa.
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Folks, my teenage nephew often stays with me, and uses my computer, and sometimes posts under my ID on AICN. He is the one who has been posting here. I am the one who posted the apology. I just discovered his recent posts on the Walking Dead talkback, too. I actually haven't read the comics. I shall suggest to his mother that he receive some counseling. Anyway, I knew he would whip up some trouble, but I've never really monitored him that much. My standing here isn't all that important to me. But I think I'll have to put his time here under my name to rest. He's had a tough life, so I cut him some slack, but still... So watch for a new and improved Queefer in the future, though I'm sure some people will keep hating me. That's OK. Lots of people like me in real life. I don't need to be liked here. Of course, I freely admit to being a Jeckyl and Hyde here at times, but I think you'll see personal attacks going away, unless somebody really pisses me off or attacks me first. The worst stuff posted under my name has been my rascally nephew, and I'm banning him from now on.
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In Imax. Nary a nit to pick. The ending is just plain glorious.
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then how come it's not called *We Can Remember It for You Wholesale*?
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Anyone know where I can order a print? Tweet @foochuck - thanks!
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