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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

You know how they have those “guess how many jelly beans are in this jar” contests? I want to have one of those to accurately guess just how much cocaine was snorted by Joel Schumacher and his screenwriters during the making of Batman and Robin.

Fairly recently I tried to rewatch this movie, hoping to get a “so bad it’s good” level of entertainment from it and the movie just ended up pissing me off all over again. How you take George Clooney and make him the least charismatic Batman ever is beyond me, but damn it if Schumacher did just that.

So, in closing, fuck this movie and the horse it rode in on. But thanks to Pat Barnett for sending in this picture.



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  • July 15, 2012, 7:54 a.m. CST

    haha stay kewl batmannn

    by wcolbert

  • July 15, 2012, 8 a.m. CST

    Not worth your time,...

    by Kevin

  • July 15, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Yeahhh I love Arnold and all but...damn

    by wcolbert

    That movie wasn't bad. It was one of the worst things EVER. It's as if they set out to see just how many different ways they could possibly skullfuck the audience before they lit themselves on fire and leapt out the window. The back of the dvd case should read "As much fun as diving into a bin of used syringes behind the hospital!" But hey, to his credit, Arnold was the only "so bad it's enjoyable" rather than "Oh god what am I still doing in this chair WATCHING this" parts of the movie. Incidentally...speaking of so bad it's good - Arnold in Hercules in New York fighting the guy in the bear suit in the park. Hilarious beyond belief. I lose it every time.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST

    ice to see you

    by Skilly McRailnob

    you're luggage

  • July 15, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST

    I actually kind of liked Uma Thurman.

    by cookylamoo

    But then, I always kind of like Uma Thurman.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST


    by Robbiemc9

    I kinda like it. It's as close to a modern take on the 60s show as you can get. Over the top fun. Clooney fitted the suit better then any other character. Least you don't need to take Xanax to get through it like you do with depressing old Nolan.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Wait for it

    by donkey_lasher

    We've already had the backlash against Batman Returns. Will this Talkback be true to form, and contain love for this godawful clusterfuck of a film?

  • July 15, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Saw it twice in the theater.

    by adeceasedfan

    I guess I couldn't believe what I saw the first time. Retracing the accident I suppose. 'If I must suffer, humanity will suffer with me.' - Mr. Freeze ...and we did.

  • Arnold' I herad dat!'

  • July 15, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Arnies alternate movies - mid 90s-mid00s


    -Predator 3 written by Robert Rodriguez(1994 - instead of True Lies) -Paul Verhoevens Crusade (1995 - instead of Junior) -J Camerons R rated Terminator 3 starring Michael Biehn & Arnold - with Furlong, Hamilton & Patrick cameoing - the future war blue night plasma battles, time chamber finale etc (1996 instead of T2 3-D: Battle Across Time, Eraser, Jingle all the Way) -Olivers Stones version of Planet of the Apes (1997 - instead of Batman&Robin) -Ridley Scotts I Am Legend (1999 - instead of End of Days) -Total Recall 2 directed by Cmdr Riker (2000 - instead of Sixth Day) -King Conan: Crown of Iron directed by John Milius (2003 - instead of CDamage/Mostows T3) -Alien 5 -written/produced by Cameron, directed by Ridley Scott - Arnie as head Colonial Marine uncovering the origin of the aliens - like Prometheus but set post Alien 4 and including xenos and Ripley as well as SJs (2004 - instead of AvP, and being govenator)

  • I was bored out of my fucking skull.

  • This movie was worse than a train wreck. And Batman Forever was pretty good IMO. Shumacher just really went off the deep end with this POS, and I think his career is still suffering for it.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    tired of the hate for this movie

    by mick vance

    one day, it will be respected and revered by future generations who will look at it with fresh eyes. is it the best batman movie ever? nay. is it the worst? probably, but that's just because both series have been so exceptional. personally, i enjoy this movie a lot more than i do batman forever, seeing as they were both made my schumacher, though, i guess it doesn't help. i put some of the blame for the campy tone on burton who went so dark with returns that the suits knew they had to lighten the mood to draw in the kids. plus when millions of dollars are getting thrown around, anything resembling artistic license is thrown out the window when you have a seemingly gun-for-hire director attached...

  • July 15, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST


    by Grace_Panda

    this is exactly how a John Waters Robocop would look!

  • Future generations could look on it with blind eyes, and it would still suck.

  • like some kind of fucking bird

  • Batman Forever was just as shit, if not worse. At least you can laugh at how bad B&R is. Forever was just depressingly cynical.

  • July 15, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    This has been in the so bad it's good category for me for a while....

    by SobchakSecurity

    It was also the first time I realized "Oh wow, something I'm looking forward too CAN be a disapointment." I think people shit on Schumacher, hah! sounds like some sort of drinking game, too much for this. They tend to forget he didn't have the same creative control Burton did for his two, which I still love btw, don't care what anyone says, and yeah. It makes for a fun drinking game every time Freezenegger says one of his ice puns. Whoever doesn't passout wins! Also, and this has to be said, if this hadn't been made, we wouldn't have gotten the recent crop of Nolanverse Batman, I'm not defending it, but you can't deny the positiv domino effect if you would. I mean, like I said, this is in the so bad it's good category for me, and has been for some time. It's like a prime example of no one giving a fuck. Just yeah, Fuck this and that about Batman. We're gonna do all campy neon dayglo!!! Yeah!!!! Speaking of which, the visual style of this is interesting. I know an interesting visual style doesn't compensate for a lack of other important elements, but hey, it's neat to look at at least. Schumacher has made some good flicks as well. Lost Boys, Falling Down, The Client, A Time To Kill, which is worthy of mentiong alone for the mere fact of "Yes they deserved to die!!!!!!!, And I hope they burn in hell!!!!" Also @cartmanez's list. Wow! I'd heard of most of those projects at one time, but didn't know of Camerons plan/ involvement in Terminatorn 3 and the 5th Alien movie. Learn something new every day.

  • July 15, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    I don't actually mind this movie anymore.

    by Kyle DeMattio

    Back when it came out I was like "Holy Shit, That was Awful." But now, uh, I don't really care for it that much.

  • July 15, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Only saw this once I think...

    by HapaPapa72

    And I don't really give much of a shit about Bane, but I was pretty indignant how Hollywood can just take a character and change everything about him. So instead of a brilliant and brutal baddie, he was a freakin' monosyllabic henchman. That's like putting the Joker in a Batman movie and writing off his appearance as makeup or some kinda...warpaint.

  • July 15, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST

    @Donkey_Lasher. No. There will be no love expressed for this film.

    by AlienFanatic

  • July 15, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Forever wasn't as bad as B&R


    I mean, Forever was a pretty bland, shallow movie that played it safe. It didn'take any real chances, and the neon silliness certainly foreshadowed the day-glow self parody vomit that would follow, but as a film, Forever is not quite as detestable as B&R. But the writing was on the wall in that movie, and after it was a hit, Schumacher had carte blanche to "gay it up" as much as he liked in the next film.

  • July 15, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST

    wow, them there's nipples on Mr. Freeze's suit too!

    by Tigger Tales

  • July 15, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Spinning disco lights...

    by vettebro

    Along with bad acting, script, characters etc... I could not stand the spinning disco/rave lights when batman got into a confrontation with the villians. Overtly cartoon and dumb. Watch one of the Freeze fights, hockey players come out and icicle rave lights start spinning on the floor. Just stupid.

  • July 15, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Why is Schumacher's face all swollen and puffy in that pic?

    by mark scott


  • July 15, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST

    DVD Commentary

    by Ogre

    Joel Schumacher is a horrible director. But his DVD commentaries are always pretty interesting. For Batman and Robin he spends 2 hours essentially apologizing for the movie, and talks about WB putting pressure on him to make the whole thing a big toy commercial. He insists that if he had his way, he would have adapted Frank Miller's Year One story..

  • July 15, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by mark scott

    Okay then, back to bed. Thank You and Good Night!

  • July 15, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST

    A colossal piece of flaming horse shit.

    by Mr Soze

  • July 15, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST

    best part about this movie -

    by jesus 2099

    arnold had an acting coach. good job.

  • July 15, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST

    True, this movie is so bad it isn't even funny..

    by Aidil_Afham

    Watched it on cable recently, hoping to get a few laughs. It wasn't even hilarious to save itself, I changed the channel after an hour. Bane omg..did Joel Schumacher even read the comics?

  • July 15, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Worst movie of all-time IMO

    by Brock

    TERRIBLE! Just make the TV series a film would have been better than this. "What killed the Dinosaurs? The ICE AGE!!!!" Oh Arnold... you silly goose.

  • July 15, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST

    B&R is responsible for the current phase of 'reboots'


    if B&R had not been as terrible as it was and had made Batman Forever money then there wouldve been Batman Triumphant in around 99 starring Jeff Goldblum as the scarecrow (with a cameo from Jack Nicolson as the joker) and then Batman 6 in around 2002 etc (maybe theyd have gone abit darker but probably no reboot) so no Batman Begins...Casino Royale would have probably been a sequel to DAD and starred Brosnan.....Star Trek wouldve had that Federation Beginning movie prequel trilogy produced by Rick Berman (as theyd have been following the SW prequels not rebooting)...2003s Hulk and Superman Returns wouldve had a sequels as no one wouldve thought about 'rebooting'...etc

  • July 15, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Anyone even thinking about watching this

    by Patrick Solomon

    would be better off spending approximately 2 hours watching "Heart of Ice" 5 times in a row.

  • Absolute horseshit. That's a guy desperately trying to find a way to save face. No way Miller's Batman was anywhere near this guys mind. What? You guys hated it? Oh oh, me too! Shoot! Studios man, amiright or amiright? But seriously, NO ONE liked the nipples? Cause I thought for sure after Batman no I mean, argh studios!!

  • July 15, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Arnold was paid ALOT of money to be in this


    i remember reading somewhere he said he felt like King Kong on the set thinking about how much money he was getting and how he was treated like a movie god or something like that LOL

  • Even with mostly terrible design work, the look of the effects themselves is just awesome. ... apart from all the obviously plastic icicles and such.

  • July 15, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    It was shit in '97 and it's shit now.

    by Christian Sylvain

    I can image Arnold in that picture thinking he's actually gonna get his big break into comic book movies with this piece of crap. The sad thing is, even Arnold deserved a better role than this.

  • July 15, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST



    didnt some outraged fan scream that at an early screening? might have been 'Death to Joel Shumaker!!' im not sure

  • July 15, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Agreed cartmanez

    by Rebel Scumb

    It was the exact recipe of B&R being so hated as to kill the franchise for years, then almost impossible to believe Hollywood actually did something right for a change happinestance of them hiring an young up and coming Christopher Nolan 6 years later and actually giving him license to do what he wanted instead of making a big toy commercial that lead to the improbable but great Batman Begins, which along with Casino Royale got all these reboots going.

  • apparently he felt like King Kong

  • July 15, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST

    also your alternate Arnie movies sound great

    by Rebel Scumb

    Can that same alt universe also have a version of star wars where the special editions are not awful or don't exist, and the prequels are amazing or don't exist?

  • He's made a lot of good movies, and a lot of other movies that you'd never guess were from the guy who directed B&R.

  • True story.

  • July 15, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Uma Thurman was fucking terrible in this movie.

    by buggerbugger

    This and 'The Avengers'. It was as if Schumacher was just off-camera yelling, "No, bitch, MORE HAM! I said, MORE HAM! HAM LIKE A FUCKING PIG!"

  • Pretty much the only thing I like about B&R, although the Bruce Wayne & Alfred stuff is handled fairly well. I do have fond memories though of being 18 and working in a movie theatre when this came out, it was a fun summer job with cool friends to hang out with, some cute girls working the candy counter, and managers who let us do whatever the hell we wanted Okay I'm going to stop now before this turns into one of Harry's movie reviews

  • But even still are pretty awful

  • July 15, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb


    yes in the same Alternate Arnie movie universe, Lucas did sequels and had his buddies write and direct them

  • July 15, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST

    *Snooooorrff!* "Wait, I know... NIPPLE ON THE BAT SUIT!!"

    by Sumatran_Rat_Monkey

    Massive amounts of cocaine and screen writing... You may be on to something there! And it is refreshing to see some venom thrown out by Quint. Fuck Schumacher!

  • July 15, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    After B&R, Clooney had nowhere to go but up

    by SifoDyasJr

    I guess having one of your first films be your worst can be a good thing for a career.

  • July 15, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST

    LOVE IT!!!!!!

    by MainMan2001

    And the Movie!!!! DEAL WITH IT!!!

  • July 15, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    In ref to Quints "How much coke" question...

    by phifty2

    ...I always wondered when you would hear that so and so had a $6000 a day cocaine habit...what the hell they did with all that coke? They have to give some away because there is no way a human can sniff that much coke in one day and live.

  • July 15, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I watched it today! Freaky....

    by jellypop

    My little girls wanted to watch a superhero movie and this was all I had to hand within their age range. I thought it would be perfect-bright colours, easy to follow ahem 'plot', characters that need no introduction and fairly non threatening action set pieces. Oh boy, they bailed after 15 minutes citing it was boring. Now that takes some effort to bore a small child even when its aimed at them! So I stuck it out to the end and I still can't find any hope within the film. The worst line in is " That's not very P.C. What about Batwoman or Batperson?" Ugh. The delivery is just awful. Add the purple gorilla suit and you have a film worse than Shark night.

  • July 15, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    God's way of telling you you are making a shitty Batman movie


  • July 15, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST

    You must not have kids. It]

    by Bentley_Bear

  • July 15, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST

    It's the best Batman Film for kids

    by Bentley_Bear

    Hands down. Campy, bright, colorful, over the top. It's the 60's Batman remade with 90's budget and production value.

  • July 15, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    I actually think Batman Forever was worse than this

    by david starling

    I mean, Arnie was not as bad as Jim Carrey in any way - this was when Jim Carrey was just being an annoying bastard, and everyone thought it was cute, until he did Cable Guy. After that, he changed things up a notch, and the world was a better place. Oh, and Val Kilmer as Batman, U2 shoving their crap under people's noses even more, and Tommy Lee Jones looking like he's going to cry any minute. By the time Batman and Robin had come along, I just kinda gave-up really.

  • And mass suicides ensued.

  • July 15, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Uma's ass was amazing and Batgirl's breastplate was nice

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Not nearly enough to save this utter turd of a film.

  • July 15, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST

    how the same man who made

    by JAMF

    "falling down" also made this shit, is beyond me.... also from the wiki: "On the DVD commentary, Schumacher has admitted that his movie disappointed fans of darker Batman adaptations, saying that the film was made intentionally marketable (or "toyetic") and kid-friendly. He claims to have been under heavy pressure from the studio to do so; however, he admits full responsibility and, at one point, apologizes to any fans who were disappointed. Schumacher, however, is a devoted Batman fan himself and actually would have personally preferred an adaptation of the comic Batman: Year One.[4]"

  • July 15, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST


    by Blue Monster 65

    After the day I've had, your comments made me laugh so hard, I had to sign up here. Thanks, Quint - I owe you a beer!

  • July 15, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Schumacher respected John Grisham more than Bats.

    by Tacom

    That alone pisses me off.

  • July 15, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST

    This movie made me stop caring about trailers

    by hellsheartstab

    This is long before I plugged in, so I only caught previews in the theatre. I saw this preview and went out of my damn mind because I saw Bane..."Holyshit they're gonna break Batman!!, Need to watch!!!!" this was my reaction. I went to opening night, twenty minutes into film I quietly started weeping.

  • July 15, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Kind of Awesome movie

    by Proman1984

  • July 15, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by TheMightyMonarch

    Make sure to put the emphasis on the "BOT". I like to repeat this line in my home until my wife tells me to stop.

  • July 15, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Hi Freeze....Im Batman

    by diseptikon


  • July 15, 2012, 2 p.m. CST

    Why would you post a BTS pic from this movie?

    by Yelsaeb

    Why? WHY? Because TDKR is about to come out? Just give us some Batman Begins and TDK pics, please.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:06 p.m. CST

    I walked out of the movie theater more pissed at Batman Forever

    by MRJONZ72

    I hated that movie, I think my expectations for Batman & Robin were so low going in, that I wasn't as mad walking out, but I do know and realize its a bad movie and the worse and the low point for modern batman movies.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Romor has it that the one scene where they show arnold & uma on

    by jupiterjim

    the cctv; their audio is off but if you read their lips arnold is saying: " can you believe we are getting paid to make this piece of crap?"

  • July 15, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST


    by jupiterjim

  • July 15, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Ironically, Batgirl's is the only suit sans nipples.

    by v3d

    And this was the worst Batman movie of all time.

  •'s sad that after Batman Returns, the studios got the feeling we wanted Batman to start getting lighter again. Than Nolan showed them the direction we really wanted.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:30 p.m. CST

    My biggest disappointment here...

    by MCVamp


  • July 15, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Or lack thereof.

    by MCVamp

  • ...since excess was what Schumacher was bringing. But handle is ThulsaBoom, so you might find a little bias in my forgiveness of B&R.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I will blanket the city in endless winter...

    by ThulsaBoom

    ...okay that's really all I can say about this.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST


    by Shia LeButt

    cartmanez, where is the portal to this alternate universe? I HAVE to get there :)

  • July 15, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST

    fuck this movie and the horse it rode in on.

    by Sandy

    My sentiments exactly. I've tried the same in an attempt to find out if perhaps my feelings about it would change. No such luck. It sucked ass then, it sucks ass royally now. Hell, I can't get past the scene with Robin jumping off a balcony and flying straight and parallel to the ground to "land" on the side of the rocket (or whatever it is) in the museum. Physics took a vacation I suppose. Oh, and I almost forgot...the completely STUPID beyond ALL reasoning concept of Batman & Robin crashing through glass and leaving their symbols in the remains of the window. That's all fine and good....if you're making a Looney Tunes cartoon. Gahhh!!!!! WHY did you remind me of that atrocious pile of steaming monkey dung?!?! If I want cheesy camp in my Batman movies, I'll watch the 1966 one starring Adam West, Burt Ward, Cesar Romero, Burgess Meredith, Lee Meriwether and Frank Gorshin. In fact, I may have to watch that to cleanse my visual palate of this foul remembrance.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST

    @thulsaboom You should be prosecuted for child abuse!

    by AlienFanatic

    Though I kid, I'm amazed anyone would actually buy the film. It's the only Batman movie, well other than the campy Adam West one, that I don't own. And I never will.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST

    shialebutt - i wish i knew....


    maybe we pass through alternate realities all the time and just dont realise it. maybe B&R didnt exist until this morning when someone in the future went back and changed something in the past (killed a hitler like dictator when he was a kid playing on his bike in the 1950s or something) and as a result 1997's R rated "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" starring Clint Eastwood cease to exist and was replaced with Schumys B&R and out collective memories were altered to accommodate the timeline changes BTTF style

  • July 15, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST

    first Batman movie I ever saw in theaters...

    by The Dum Guy

    And, like my first job, I hope it will be the worst.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Thought we all learned a lesson from this movie

    by cromulent

    on what not to do......but then Green Lantern was made, so I guess fuck it!

  • Thanks so much Harry for hurting its domestic box office.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    This is a must watch..

    by barry_lyndon

  • July 15, 2012, 3:45 p.m. CST

    The worst superhero movie ever.

    by iakobos

    It takes a really bad movie for me to not like it while watching it on the silver screen and this is the one movie I despised right from my seat in the theater. Awful Arny, however was not the problem or I should say he was the least of the problems. So therefore the pic is fairly cool. That's probably the best thing I've ever said about anything related to this crap of a movie.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    And part II.... the making of Shit and Diarrhea

    by barry_lyndon

  • July 15, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Batman and Robin Is Atrocious, Batman Forever Is Underrated

    by HateThaNet

  • July 15, 2012, 3:57 p.m. CST

    I thought Freeze's costume was actually pretty cool.

    by D.Vader

    That's one good thing I can say about it.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:58 p.m. CST

    I didn't see this film until I was in high school.

    by Chris Moody

    We rented it on DVD...and I couldn't believe how bad this film was. It was the film that -- for a while -- killed the Batman.

  • July 15, 2012, 4:27 p.m. CST

    koborover -JS tried to blame Harry for B&R being hated?!


    LOL that great hahahahahhaha. if thats the case we have Harry to thank for Batman Begins well done Harry! i went into B&R not expecting anything mindblowingly awesome - but something on a par with Batman Forever - kind of enjoyable (at the time in the 1990s when there was no Nolan stuff obviously) especially with Arnie in it (i remember when i heard Arnie had been cast thinking that it was especiallly awesome that Arnie was in a batman movie - one of those crazy things you never imagined would happen - at the time) anyway i came out the theatre thinking it was the worst film id ever seen. then a week or so later i saw The Lost World....and dont forget the following summer (Godzilla, Avengers, Lost in Space) jeeze they really forced out some shit in the 90s - and i went to see it all! whos laughin? not me

  • It's not even a so-bad-it's-good like Superman IV. It's just plain appalling. I wonder what Joel Schumacher makes of Nolan's films. "Too smart! Too much goddamn plot! I know what audiences want! They want fun puns, nipples on suits, neon colors, and a theme song by a singer who's very hip and now."

  • How they could look at The Animated Series and produce this abortion is beyond me...

  • A pity we never got to see his take on Scarecrow in Batman Triumphant. I'm gonna out on a limb and say he'd have been a cackling moron.

  • July 15, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Agree with Velvet Sloane -Batman Forever was worse.

    by cookylamoo

    At least the Riddler and Two Face had the potential to be great scary villains.

  • due to the awfulness of Batman & Robin and the hate towards Shumacher. People unfairly lump both films together. I'm not saying Forever was some sort of instant classic upon release, but it was not hated like the forum dwellers have retconned it to be. Even looking at, all the reviews are from the DVD releases and they all mention B&R. No ones able to separate them. Despite being a huge fan of Burtons two films (And still am) I remember seeing Forever and loving that they went back to the more campy origins from the Adam West series. They actually used color in their set designs! Robin literally says "holy rusted metal Batman!" The movie is clearly tongue in cheek. It was fun. And it had some amazing set design and model work. If you can enjoy the Adam West movie/series, I can't possibly fathom how you can't enjoy Forever. It's the same style of Batman. And Shumacher wasn't snorting anything during B&R, he was just trying to sell toys.

  • ...I payed more for Raw Deal.

  • ...hence, less disappointment. I love Jim Carrey in Eternal Sunshine, Man in the Moon, Truman show, and in a few of his "broader" comedies, where he is cast well (Dumb & Dumber, The Mask), but he was absolutely not welcome in Batman, IMHO. Tommy Lee Jones was OK, but totally shortchanged, Val Kilmer was the worst Batman and Bruce Wayne by a country mile (he made Clooney seem charismatic, and Adam West seem haunted, by comparison), and for the first time in the series the love interest was completely uninteresting. Forever took the first step backwards towards the campy Batman TV series and Batman & Robin just followed suit. Slamming Batman & Robin out one side of their mouth, while defending Batman Forever out the other side, is comical in it's naivete.

  • July 15, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Just doesn't stand up next to the cartoon

    by Dreamfasting

    Given the scale of acting talent lined up across the board, it feels like it should have been impossible to end up with a bad move. They were clearly trying to capture the vibe of the 60s tv series, but it just didn't work. The 90s cartoon batman was exploring all these characters in a far more interesting way.

  • At least I had the animated series. I tried to get others to watch it but most shruged it off as some corny kids show. Except for my dad. He watched a couple of episodes and was highly impressed and couldnt understand how the animated series was better than the movies.

  • July 15, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Worst superhero movie of the last 20 years

    by mister death

    I recall summer of 1997, the Batman & Robin commercials or trailers could not hide the fact the something shitty this way comes. Whether intentional or over looked it had that cheap Vegas-y faux cheesy Ice Capades crappy designs in every frame of film. The Batmobile and bat suit even looked ghetto fabulously pimped up. Forget nipples on the bat suit. How do you make the iconic Batmobile something only Liberachi would drive on stage. Arnold canned hammed it to a near Nazi like frenzy. "Get da heroooos!!!" Georgia Clooney acts in this like somebody punched him in the head. I guess he read the script after he signed up then said "oh damn, I have to show my face in this turd!" Mr Clooney can always get a laugh when he calls any role he takes now as an apology for Batman & Robin. What actor admits that shit ? I never wasted $8 to see it in theaters. Hell, I think it was several years before I saw it free on TV. Through the course of time what did this eye sore give us? Hopefully three great back to back Batman films from Christopher Nolan's Batman series.

  • July 15, 2012, 6:17 p.m. CST

    This movie is not good, but ...

    by Carl

    I really like Clooney as Wayne/Bats. <p> And call me any name you wish, but I thought Arnie was actually doing some pretty fine acting (for Arnie) as Mr. Freeze.<p> I haven't watched it since it first came out, so I can't remember all the bad things. I wonder if it's worth a revisit , or if my brain will melt.

  • July 15, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Harry may be infamous for trashing Batman and Robin, but he also loved Godzilla and Armageddon...

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    The writing was on the wall, even in the late 90's. Anyway, Batman and Robin was horrible but Arnold could have been a great supervillain under the right guidance. He would have been awesome as Doc Ock in Cameron's Spider-Man. And maybe even as a more serious version of Bane, had they opted to use him for a lead villain in those days. Certainly would have been a more convincing steroid-jacked monster than 5' 7", 130 lbs soaking wet Tom Hardy.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Hasbro directed this flick

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    On the commentary track for this one, Shumacher said that Hasbro had their reps on set giving him designs as it was being filmed. He said the studio wanted it to be a big advertisement for selling toys. It's funny how after this one flopped, DC's properties all went to Mattel instead.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Worst fucking movie ever put on celluloid.

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Schumacher is an eternal asshole.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Clooney admitted to playing Batman as a closeted homosexual.

    by MCVamp

    Which is at least honest. This was the only one of the pre-Nolan Batman films without a blatant love interest. If he had been in a faithful adaptation, Clooney could have done a great job, which is a shame.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST

    This is the only movie I've ever walked out on

    by Smarty_Feldman

    Didn't even ask for a refund

  • Almost nobody so far has mentioned his horrendous script. It's Schumacher this and Schumacher that. And yes, Schumacher deserves much of the blame for this abomination. But what about Akiva Goldman? He's the moron who wrote that utterly awful script. Goldsman cannot write for shit. Period. He's the one who put those stupid puns in Clooney, Schwarzenegger and Thurman's mouths. And he's the one who wrote the retarded plot full of enough holes to resink the Titanic. Yet he gets a free pass for this turd and for Lost in Space and goes on to write more shitty movies. And I read part of his aborted Batman vs. Superman script. Guess what? It's the same campy shit from Batman & Robin. Thank goodness it got canned before we had another comic book abortion on our hands. How does Goldsman still have a career? Seriously? Somebody tell me. Does he have blackmail photographs of some producer in flagrante delicto with a horse? Or is he somebody's cousin? How the fuck does he still work when better writers can't even get a job? Batman & Robin should've killed his career stone dead, yet he keeps on going like some warped version of the Energizer Bunny. If you want to blame Schumacher for Batman & Robin, then fine. But at least blame Goldsman too. He sure as hell deserve it.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Turd is Floating - id like to see you say that to Hardy's face

    by Smarty_Feldman

    You ignorant fucktard

  • July 15, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Tommy Lee Jones was easily the worst thing about the Schumacher era

    by HarveyManfrenjenson

    At least the other actors intermittently seem to be having fun, in a prancing-around-in-silly-costumes kind of way. Tommy Lee turns in a dour and charisma-free performance-- an excruciating example of an actor who clearly thinks he's too good for the room and that he's doing everyone a great favor by showing up and collecting a paycheck. It's absolutely consistent with his off-screen persona, at least at the time that this movie came out. He was constantly snapping at interviewers and implying that their questions were too stupid to be worthy of his attention. (Yes, Tommy Lee, we know you attended Harvard back in the day-- what of it?) Plus, I've read that he can be snide and condescending towards fans. Ironically, some of his best roles have been comic-book roles-- albeit ones in which he doesn't have to "stretch" much from what appears to be his naturally gruff persona. OK, there was No Country for Old Men, have to admit he was good in that.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    To be fair to Mr. Jones,

    by MCVamp

    his original take on Two-Face was less manic and goofy. Then the studio came down and told Schumacher they wanted Jones to essentially come off as the Joker. To further stress his point, Rick Baker's original Two-Face makeup, which was gruesome and closer to what we saw in TDK, was under studio order fagged up into the purple half-a-Madball lameness that ended up on the screen.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    everyone involved shouldve given their money back


    and everyone who saw it shouldve been tracked down and refunded warners shouldve written it off and burned all the prints

  • July 15, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Something must be wrong with my connection because...

    by Joe Walsh

    ...all I see is a pic of a giant piece of shit. It looks like they were eating copious amounts of cheese. Zing!!!

  • July 15, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by Creepythinmanlivez

  • I've never been the same since... a cool million ought to help ease the pain. but you also have to kill every person involved in it for true justice to be done. Except Arnold. Arnold just...does what he does. This movie would have sucked even if they'd cast some oscar award winner as freeze and he'd given the performance of a lifetime - because everything around him would have been a flaming sea of feces.

  • July 15, 2012, 11 p.m. CST

    "Chill out, bird boy."

    by Nasty In The Pasty

    Oh Jesus, what a clusterfuck of a movie. It says a LOT that it took eight years to get another Batman movie released after this.

  • July 15, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST


    by Robbiemc9

    I am a shift worker and they often play reruns of the 60s tv series late at night. The entire plot for this movie seems to have been lifted from one of the Freeze episodes. The whole freezing Gotham using the telescope thing. This movie is WAY better the Forever. All Tomy does is mimic The Joker and Riddlers riddles are almost non existent and very lame. Jim Cary was terrible in it. As a proud fag I have to say B&R certainly plays to its audience. The nipples, George, the other cute guy who hasn't been in much since. They can rescue me in neon lighting any day! Alicia was fucking terrible but Arnie and Uma were fun. Lighten up guys its a great kids / gay movie : Z

  • July 15, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Patrick Stewart was a candidate to play Freeze

    by mastermold

    Apparently there was a lot of public support for the idea, so much that Schumacher heard and gave it serious consideration. In the end, the studio wanted Arnie and the rest is history.

  • I refused to see B&R in the theatre, and I've never seen it all the way through to this day. I can't last 15 minutes. The fight over toys goes beck to Batman Returns, when the toy makers and junior executives walked onto the set during the Penguin's umbrella-helicopter scene to talk about toys.. Burton ran them off the set. Time-Warner fired him for it. Those particular fucking losers were the ones who micro-managed Wild Wild West while the Bros. W were left alone in Australia to do The Matrix. They then got their hands on Martix 2 and 3, forcing Jada Pickett Smith to be cast in the female lead over Gina Torres. In 2011 they were the ones who did Green Lantern, and tried to do Justice League a few years ago. Oh, the same losers also ruined I Am Legend with that lame 3rd act and the CGI rendered infected humans.-----later-----m

  • July 15, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST

    I do enjoy the bonding experience this movie has actually given us


    We get to look back at how this film pissed us off, how much we hated Schumacher for it, and how much we're kinda thankful it happened since it lead to Nolan's films. And those who didn't hate B&R or thought Forever was the worse of the two provide some rather rational reasons. I think we've all had the benefit of the distance allow by passing time to be able to analyze this film and the impact it had and given us the perspective needed to have such a comparatively humane discussion when this could have devolved into a typically furious flame war. It's actually refreshing to see. Oh we can all call it a giant neon-lit piece of shit, but it's something most of us can agree on and relate to each other with. Group hug!

  • July 16, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST

    not just the worst movie ever...

    by sambafreak13

    ...but actually the worst thing ever. Yes, I am including things like the Holocaust and Slavery on that list.

  • July 16, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST

    Goldsman still works because Ron Howard likes him.

    by jsarnold513

    Over half of his film credits post BAR and LIS have been on Howard projects.

  • July 16, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Harry's review of this turd put this site on the map

    by jsarnold513

    I still remember reading it and thinking "damn right" back in the early days of the internet.

  • If it had been someone like Sam Raimi behind the camera, we'd be arguing that there was too much studio interference. Maybe the prudent thing to do would have been to walk away, but he's gotta eat.

  • Hired-gun directors with no power whatsoever were the norm for superhero movies in that era. Raimi, Nolan, Favreau, these guys can make great superhero movies because they're ALLOWED TO. Schumacher's Falling Down is proof enough that he had a good Batman movie in him, but it was never going to happen in the toys and Happy Meals era of superhero flicks.

  • July 16, 2012, 1:11 a.m. CST

    I really like this movie

    by Xen11

    You are all a bunch of bandwagon haters. Simple as that. This was a vivid, stylistic version of the cartoon from the '60s/'70s which was in turn a version of the live-action Batman series starring Adam West. I'm baffled at the hate for this movie. This movie is a lot of fun and it fucks the shit out of your eyes (in the best possible way). It's beautiful eye candy and really well done. It's not bad at all. People just can't wrap their heads around "grindhouse" type films. What were you expecting from this film? Seriously.

  • They have to feel superior so they batter, beat, and rape the art to try to subvert the pathetic nature of their lives. It's a vicious cycle.

  • July 16, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST

    watched this in the cinema with a bucnh of friends

    by rakesh patel

    got out int he car park, and one of them said "man that was wicked!" from that moment i started wondering why the fuck was i hanging around with that dickhead. That friendship had to die!

  • To think Courier 12 font and lots of paper was wasted on this gigantic steaming pile of shit.

  • July 16, 2012, 1:52 a.m. CST

    xen11 - I want to rape you!

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Come here you sexy bitch! Present to me your fleshy bare cheeks! This "grindhouse" type film is a piece of shit. The fact that you "don't get" the hate for it only proves you to be insanely stupid. Wow. INSANELY stupid. There's just no other explanation for it. So come on you drooling fool! It's time for your raping!

  • July 16, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST

    xen11 -

    by cushing1967

    I'd rather be seen as a rapist than a self-proclaimed fan of this fucking disastrous abortion of a film! However - you like it and may God have mercy on your soul because there is nothing to like about Batman and Robin. It has a similar plot from something that you would have got in the Adam West television show - but it doesn't have the wit and style of that. It is over designed to a point of being headache inducing. The narrative is all over the place and let's face it - Poison Ivy (a villain who loves plants and plant life) teaming up with Mr Freeze (a villain who wants to freeze everything thus making it impossible for all but the hardiest of plant life to survive) - well that makes sense. It would be like Hitler teaming up with David Ben-Gurion to fight Churchill. The list of things that make this thing unwatchable is pretty comprehensive. To try and find some balance - I think the scene where Poison Ivy appears at the Charity Ball thing is pretty well designed and shot and Arnie's scenes when talking about his dead wife are pretty well done (and I do chuckle at the bit where he is in his lair in his smoking jacket and slippers) - however when you weigh that up against the bad - Alfred Headroom, the badly filmed action scenes, the terrible script etc - this film sucks. You think you're baffled? Knowing that some people like this fucking rubbish has turned my world upside down. Batman and Robin fans will be rewarded with greater punishments in Hell than rapists...

  • July 16, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Hey cushing1967, you want to gang rape xen11 with me?

    by Queefer Sutherland

    He'd probably enjoy it, though.

  • July 16, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST

    without this garbage..

    by Balkin Flabgurter

    ..they would have never have hashed out the modern super hero flick.raimi's spider man 1 finally ended the fucking horror regardless of what you dildo loving fat retards want to believe.

  • July 16, 2012, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Don`t ever remember hating it that much. It was just ho-hum.

    by higgledyhiggles

  • A total DOGSHIT of a film.

  • July 16, 2012, 4:35 a.m. CST

    sobchaksecurity - Arnie alternate movie list


    although there may have been some talk i dont know if Cameron was ever seriously going to do a proper T3 (expanding the original T2 future war opening into a 2hr movie) - i just imagined what if he had instead of the T2 Universe ride in 96 but a potential Cameron/Scott/Arnie Alien 5 was talked about:

  • July 16, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    mastermold - Picard as Freeze


    yes i remember that. he dodged a bullet there. as theres no way Singer or Fox wouldve considered him for Prof X after that and Sir Ben Kingsley wouldve made some serious $s in the 00s

  • July 16, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST

    just realised - its the 20th and 15th anniversarys of BR and B&R


    out near enough the same time as TDKR. lets party!

  • July 16, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Not even Arnie

    by lead_sharp

    That shot MIGHT be him but according to an interview with Chris O'donnell, he never met Arnie till the press junkets to promote the film. Whenever you see a full body shot of Freeze it's a double and Arnie was rarely on set, to the point he never met some of the actors. That could well be a well made up double, but Arnie apparently did do a couple of mid shots in the Freeze suit.

  • July 16, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST

    TDKR reviews are in....


    both Empire and Total Film give it the big 5/5. so that pretty much makes it the perfect trilogy - like the Clint $'s trilogy

  • July 16, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Schumacher deserves a kidney punch

    by Chris

    for what he did with (and to) Batman. And I would estimate a metric ton of coke, at least, made this movie what is. And that would be a vile piece of film.

  • turned him into a mute, tag along chunk of nothing.

  • be shit, and he did the job they paid him to. He's a professional, and I soooooooo wish they let him do Two-Face his way. Then we would have had a badass Two-Face way early on.

  • July 16, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST


    by loafroaster

    Both Blade and X-Men came before Spider-Man.

  • July 16, 2012, 7:50 a.m. CST

    I wish they would have let Burton do Two Face HIS way

    by Bass Ackwards

    Burton actually had a pretty elegant arc for Billy Dee Williams over the second film, but the studio wanted a bigger name so Williams got written out and Walkens was inserted instead. Studio interference pretty much chased Burton off at that point, would have been interesting too see how he would have played out the trilogy he was envisioning though.

  • couldn't get any work with this movie on our resume. I had to remove it. People would just see the name and instantly not hire anyone who worked on this movie. I was like- guys I brought food to the set. How the hell can you blame me?!

  • July 16, 2012, 8:24 a.m. CST


    by Johnny Wishbone

    What a bunch of cunts.

  • starring Keaton as batman with Robin Williaims as The Riddler, BDW as Harvey, Leonardo DiCaprio as Robin, Sharon Stone as Chase with cameos from Jack Nicolson (the joker in a dream sequence) and Christopher Reeve (as Clark Kent)

  • July 16, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Just awful

    by FlyingToupee

    I've been watching a Batman retrospective this week. So far, I've watched Burton's two Batman films, several episodes of the animated series, and I'll even work in some of the better episodes from the 1966 series. But I refuse to watch either Schumacher film. Both are the epitome of what is wrong with Hollywood: all style, no substance and devoid of good ideas. Burton's films are sloppy in the plotting, but they are full of fantastic tidbits that give us insight on who Batman/Bruce Wayne is, and the world he inhabits. Schumacher's movies are pure glitz and trash. The only redeeming thing about them is that Val Kilmer does well with a script devoid of any pathos or honesty, and Nicole Kidman has never been sexier. Otherwise, these films need to be chucked into the trash compactor that was on the first Death Star.

  • ok Kilmer as Dent and the tone of the film wouldve obviously been way more dark, serious - like Bat89 with no quirky german expressionist stuff then that wouldve been it - no 4th film. until a Warners did an R rated The Dark Knight Returns with Clint Eastwood in 1999

  • July 16, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    wingkong85, agreed on SUPERMAN IV

    by FlyingToupee

    It's genuinely bad because the budget was decided on(25 million), and then was slashed in half after the cast and crew were paid. So there was no money to finish the picture properly, so the technicians(some of them the best in the business when they have some money to work with) literally had to cut and paste the f/x and flying scenes. But, unlike Schumacher's films, there was sincerity in the performances, and a few good ideas about Superman. Double the budget and let Harrison Ellenshaw unleash his artistry instead of taking every dime from his f/x budget, and this would have been a much better film(maybe even good).

  • July 16, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST


    by Mike McCutcheon

  • July 16, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Forecast? A FREEEEZE ISS coming. HAHAHAHA!!!

    by Dogmatic

  • July 16, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST

    Forecast? A FREEEEZE ISS coming. HAHAHAHA!!!

    by Dogmatic

  • the reason why it is the way it is is b/c Joel had a complete lack of respect and saw a great character like Batman as his excuse to create the campiest movie ever....shame!

  • hey pops take me to the toy store after this is finished and buy me all the fucking toys you fucked up loser

  • July 16, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST



  • July 16, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Have to agree. Batman & Robin's legacy...

    by tailhook

    is that it ushered in the idea that you could reboot franchises around completely different talent and entirely new takes on the material. That was fairly inconceivable circa '97, but B&R pretty much forced it into existence out of necessity. Without Batman & Robin being as bad as it was, we never would have gotten the Nolan films.

  • ???

  • July 16, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST

    @cart: the problem

    by tailhook

    is that whenever they tried to do that, they couldn't get traction on the production because the money guys and everybody else were so obsessed with the past and replicating what worked and actually completely retooling the idea when people still had fondness for the originals seemed like it wouldn't work. In fact, we still have the same issues with Superman to this day with people swearing on Bibles it can't be done without using a 35 year old score. But the one/two punch of the success of a completely foreign Batman in 2005 and the utter failure of a relatively-the-same Superman in 2006 has pretty much but the nail in the coffin of nostalgia. You bring new ideas and new concepts to the character and properties, and build your own production, or you go home. What worked in 1977 will not work xeroxed out in 2012.

  • July 16, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    What a tiring, tedious, repetitive talkback

    by GilbertRSmith

    I bet half of you assholes haven't even seen the movie. I mean yeah, it does suck, but I'm not even seeing any original opinions on this, just repeating the chorus line. Why say anything if all you have to say has already been said?

  • ...Sadly, the mix of a huge budget and goofy ideas didn't work out so well. This kind of stuff is charming with the cheaper sets of Adam West's show and the goofy artwork of the Silver Age comics. When it was the Avatar of its time, it just comes across as wasteful.

  • July 16, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Holy Christ, the Mr Freeze suit has nipples too!

    by Anthony Torchia

    Jesus Joel, vent your pent-up pretty boy frustration elsewhere, please. And what you did to the Opera, you should have picked the Phantom best with his voice, not with his mouth. Grrrrrrrr end of line

  • July 16, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by cushing1967

    Rape a Batman and Robin Fan No, I have my limits - I'm not sick!

  • July 16, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST

    At least Uma Thurman was still hot then

    by Darth Macchio

    Yep - shallow..I know.

  • July 16, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST

    B&R also marked a turning point for Arnold....


    he never really recovered from it before B&R there was still a vague hope hed do T3 with Cameron, Ridley Scotts I am Legend, Verhovans Crusade, Conan III etc (see Alternate Arnie movies post near top) after B&R its almost like he went the way of Segal, JCVD and Get Carter/DTox Sly (EOD, 6th Day, Colleteral Damage were all felt like there were getting progesstivly closer to STDVD) even the T3 that ended up being made felt abit like a syfy movie of the week.... its like the element of trust was gone. no one trusted Arnie anymore after B&R - they forgave him for the (underrated) Last Action Hero but B&R was like unforgivable.

  • July 17, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST

    flyingtoupee - Superman IVs budget was originally $36m


    and it was slashed to $18m (the same as Aliens budget the previous year!)

  • July 17, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Superman 4 at least has good intentions...

    by Dan

    Superman 3 is just a cynical fucking turd... not much different than Spider-Man 3... or those fucking Pirates...

  • July 17, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST

    The Adam West stuff is at least funny...

    by Dan

    Sure its campy and dumb, but the spirit of fun is there and you have a good time... films like this are boring- dumb stuff over and over for 120 minutes... no thanks.