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Quint goes in-depth on the Comic-Con IRON MAN 3 footage and panel! Downey! Shane Black! The Mandarin! And More!

Published at: July 15, 2012, 4:34 a.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some thoughts on the Iron Man 3 presentation by Marvel. Leave it to Marvel to really embrace the fans. They have from the beginning and they began the panel by playing a reel of footage going back to Comic-Con 2006, showing the panels over the years for the various movies all leading up to The Avengers.

This footage culminated in the circular panning shot of all the Avengers from the film then faded out… for a moment. Then the words “Phase Two Begins…” fade-out, fade in “Now.”

Billy posted up their announcements already, so head over here if you need those details.

The two most cheered things from this section was the title of the Captain America sequel (Captain America – The Winter Soldier) and the mention of the name Rocket Raccoon.

Then it was Ant Man time, followed by Iron Man 3, which of course couldn’t just start off like a normal panel. Luther Vandross started blasting through the huge Hall H sound system, cutting off Feige talking about being about halfway through filming of IM3. He trails off and then the screens fill with live, handheld footage of a curtain that draws back and reveals Robert Downey Jr. who proceeds to dance his way down the aisle of the 6500 people strong crowds, throwing out high fives with his right hand clad in an Iron Man gauntlet complete with glowing palm.

He didn’t just go down the first section, that dude danced all the way to the back before turning around and heading back up to the Hall H stage.

There he teased us for a bit before running the footage. Here’s the rundown:

A stick-it note with the words Stark Industries R&D on it introduces us to Tony’s lab where he addresses some robot arms, welcoming to the “birthing suite.” “I’m pleased to announce the imminent arrive of your bouncing, badass baby brother.” He tells Jarvis to cue up “something seasonal,” and a record starts spinning a funky version of Christmas tune (a nice nod to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, I bet) and Downey strikes a pose, like a kung fu master… Nothing happens.

He slaps the skin of his forearm, turns to the camera held by one of the robot arms (probably Dummy) and says, “Take 2.” Strikes a pose again and a chunk of armor lifts of off his worktable and flies at him (with little booster rockets in the armor), slapping itself around his arm. Another chunk flies to his leg and other arm, sending him reeling. Downey tell Jarvis to slow it down as the cod piece comes flying at him, racking him in the nuts and then the back piece hits, sending him flying forward.

He catches himself with his thrusters, flies back as the rest of his armor attaches itself. However, he turns his head as the faceplate smashes against the chrome dome, spinning off onto the floor. Downey looks at it, all suited up except for his face. “Come on. I ain’t scared of you” he says as the faceplate floats up, facing him, the eyes bright with light as it rockets towards him. On the way, it nudges the edge of a table and turns upside down. Stark jumps upside down himself, extending his arm and hovering just right as the faceplate smashed home before flipping down into his Iron Man hero pose.

The next fun bit was pretty great because there’s a whole secondary self-aware level to it. It started on Jon Favreau’s head as he’s trying to figure out a Facetime-like feature on a tablet device. Stark: “Is this forehead of security?” Favs: “Hey, don’t talk to me like that. I don’t work for you anymore.” “You quit.” “Of course I quit. Do you know what it was like when I would tell people what my job was? ‘I’m Iron Man’s bodyguard.’ They’d laugh in my face. Now you’re off with the Super Friends, I don’t know what’s going on with you anymore. My grandmother lives in Manhattan, alright. She jumped out of a second story window last year because she saw a giant snake robot coming out of the sky!” “Yeah, we handled it.”

Later on in the panel, Downey said that Favreau is killing it as Happy Hogan. Favreau, also on the panel, said when they were filming the first two, he’d always film his stuff last in the day and not spend as much time on it because he had the rest of the movie to contend with. Now, as executive producer and actor he is freer to just focus on the character. Downey said the energy is “off the chain. He’s Swingers at 40.”

Most of the rest of the footage was action stuff with a mysterious, villainous voice-over. Armored choppers firing missiles into Tony’s sweet Malibu pad while Pepper and Tony are there, seeing it crumble off the hillside, falling in giant pieces into the ocean. His row of Iron Man suits exploding one by one, a shot of Iron Man in the suit, hitting the water and being dragged to the bottom by a large piece of his own house.

”You call me a terrorist? I consider myself a teacher.” Part of the voice-over from who we will soon learn to be the Mandarin as played by Sir Ben Kingsley. The voice is a little odd, not really any ethnicity really. Kind of an overall neutral if that makes any sense.

His look is pretty out there, though (in a good way). After the Iron Man 3 logo it cuts to a shot of his hands, fingers ringed, of course and we see a shot of him from the back, cloak on, hood up. He drops his cloak, revealing a bald head, with ponytail and then we see him from the front and he’s both menacing and obviously incredibly intelligent.

Fans went ape-shit, as they tend to do when something even remotely cool plays Hall H. The panel was equally fun, again not unexpectedly so when you have Favreau and Downey on the same stage. Don Cheadle, Kevin Feige and Shane Black were also up there.

Cheadle said to expect a lot more team-work and banter between Rhodey and Tony in this one and that was evident already just by their back and forth on the panel.

Example: a fan asked how long it takes them to get into their suits. RDJ "What's your time?" Cheadle: "Half hour." RDJ: "I'm three minutes." DC: "Racism." RDJ: "But you've got bigger guns"

Zing!

The topic of contracts came up as well. Downey was only signed for 3 Iron Man movies. What does this mean for future Tony Stark appearances in the Marvel U? Downey said he loves the character and they’ll see how things play out, making a joke about seeing how big the Brinks truck Kevin brought to the negotiations was. Feige responded with something like “you’ll have the truck.” Damn skippy you will! Tony Stark 4evah!

Shane Black was pretty great on the panel, too. I’ve had the pleasure of chatting Black up in Austin a few times, usually assaulting him with my unabashed love of The Monster Squad and he’s always struck me as fun, whip-smart guy.

He fielded a question about a possible Demon in the Bottle storyline and he said not in this film for sure and he doesn’t think they can ever do a straight up adaptation of that arc because it isn’t very cinematic. “What are we going to do, send Tony to Betty Ford for 30 minutes?”

He did say that Tony’s world isn’t all peaches and cream, though. “To stay on top you always have to touch bottom,” Black said.

Shane also beamed over his star and jokingly said to the audience, “Don’t tell anybody, but he really is Tony Stark.” Downey feigned shock and replied, “You’re saying I’m an asshole!” Black shot back, “A rich asshole.” Which completely cracked Downey up on stage.

There were a lot of great moments during this panel. Black made it very clear that Favreau is mentoring him through this, that relationship is more than solid. Black also slagged off Spider-Man 3 saying there are a ton of things in the movie, but it’s not going to be little isolated islands of plot like that shitty movie. Iron Man 3 is Tony Stark centric (naturally).

Everybody on the panel also sang Happy Birthday to a 15 year old girl who came up to ask a question, saying she spent her birthday in line and was beyond pumped to get to talk to some of her favorite actors. It was very sweet on Downey’s part, leading 6500 people in singing happy birthday to this geek girl.

Things are looking good. Can’t wait for more. I love everybody involved with this and I’m dying to see some juicy Shane Black dialogue scenes.

Stark looks to be in over his head, maybe a little too confident in his status as a superhero (maybe boosted by him just saving the world in The Avengers?) and it looks like he’s about to get a rather large reality check. That kind of conflict could turn out to be something special. Time will tell.

Hope you guys enjoyed that write-up. Still got more before I rest! Pacific Rim is up next!

-Eric Vespe
”Quint”
quint@aintitcool.com
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  • July 15, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST

    In before "They screwed up Iron Man 2!"

    by Jay

  • July 15, 2012, 5:21 a.m. CST

    Sounding pretty good..

    by jack Bauer

    RDJ seems to be a really nice bloke, looks like all the demons from previous years are excised. Keeping my fingers crossed that they have Iron Man back on track..

  • July 15, 2012, 5:23 a.m. CST

    BTW THIRD and 2ND....

    by jack Bauer

    Jesus, that's a really sad thing to do.... Where's that gun.......BLAM.....

  • July 15, 2012, 5:27 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to Shane Black's contribution.

    by Pat

    Nobody likes you. Everybody hates you. You're gonna lose. Smile you fuck.

  • July 15, 2012, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Somebody should've asked Downey when the last time he did coke.

    by Mr Soze

    I'd like to see a movie of Robert Downey's 80-90's drug binges.

  • July 15, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Chatted up Shane Black in Austin?

    by Albert Herbert

    Did you end up getting it on?

  • July 15, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    They screwed up Iron Man 2!

    by tylerzero

  • July 15, 2012, 6:34 a.m. CST

    They screwed up Iron Man 2!

    by tylerzero

  • July 15, 2012, 8:28 a.m. CST

    But they DID screw up Iron Man 2.

    by Farrokh

  • July 15, 2012, 8:58 a.m. CST

    So sick...

    by Hipshot

    of giving Asian roles to white guys (yeah, Ben Kingsley is part Indian, and that's technically Asian. But the Mandarin is fucking Chinese, and that's a very different thing) and then claiming that Asian actors aren't cast because there aren't roles for them. Just disgusting, and obvious. And some white guy will talk about Nick Fury being black or something--yeah, well Marvel did that first, there is absolutely no lack of roles for white actors, and yeah, I'd be perfectly happy if ALL movie roles were race-neutral. That will never happen, so I feel perfectly justified bitching about this.

  • July 15, 2012, 9 a.m. CST

    Marvel 5/ DC 1

    by HollywoodHellraiser

    Marvel knows how to do their presentations! Sounds like RDJ was having a damn good time and the audience too! Thats how u make people excited for your product, you give them what they want! DC haven't learnt this yet and probably never will!

  • July 15, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I'm really looking forward to This!

    by Wcwlkr

    The fact that they've finally included The Mandarin is awesome. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they do with this. I didn't hate Iron Man 2 I thought the action was better, though the story clearly wasn't. But I'm really excited to see this movie.

  • July 15, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST

    The great thing about Iron Man 2

    by Bass Ackwards

    Almost nothing of relevance happened, so you genuinely can just ignore it. It'll just be, oh, in the time between films Stark saw fit to get Rhode suited up and trained too (which actually makes sense, moreso then Rhodey somehow suits himself up to keep Tony Stark from blowing up plates and then steals the suit ).

  • July 15, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Avengers got me interested in Iron Man

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    So yes, I am now looking forward to this

  • July 15, 2012, 9:10 a.m. CST

    by bourne7855

    The mandarin should ask ironman to come work for him and then ironman says no and mandarin says YES YES YES YES YES. i love sexy beast lol

  • July 15, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    does the Mandarin speak Mandarin?

    by Tigger Tales

  • July 15, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Nah he speaks Yiddish in this one

    by Crooooooow

  • July 15, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST

    I hope Tony yells "Blathering Blatherskite!" to call the suit.

    by BuckminsterOhare

  • ...lol that reply was like saying "i have black friends"

  • July 15, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I'd guess the Mandarin isn't Asian because....

    by Tom Fremgen

    the studio is afraid of being called racist. It's like back in the 70's when Filmation made a Tarzan cartoon- after three season, not one actual black African character appeared in the show- WTF???

  • July 15, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Isn't Mandarin half-white/half-Chinese?

    by I Hope You Die

    They should've used Keanu Reeves!

  • July 15, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Stick Val Kilmer in there somewhere

    by cromulent

    get some KKBB banter going!

  • July 15, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I just watched Jackie Chan's First Strike last night

    by buggerbugger

    ...in which Jackie Chan plays Special Agent Jackie Chan and everyone calls him Jackie - no surname - even if they're meeting him for the first time. Later in the movie, when he's wanted as the chief suspect in a murder, the TV reporters refer to him simply as Jackie. I have absolutely no idea why it popped into my head while reading this talkback.

  • July 15, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    He's being mentored by Jon Favreau? Oh..

    by jellypop

    Not Iron Man 2 Favreau please....

  • July 15, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    cromulent

    by my liege

    Val Kilmer WAS in there somewhere but had to drop out.

  • Who the HELL is pure anything anymore? Get a $99 gene mapping done by the nat geo genome project, and anyone would be shocked to find just how mixed they are. So why does it matter? There's a large percentage of the North-Eastern European population that shares a genetic lineage with East Asian people due to multiple migrations and the Mongolian invasions - I'm one of them. Race doesn't exist. Period. The outward appearance of a person doesn't do squat but maybe tell you what the last 2 generations were like - in some cases, even 1 generation in you can't even tell what someone is. Example: Rashida Jones. Half black. DOES not look it remotely. Point is - just because someone doesn't look overtly "Asian" (Asian, by the way, applies to anyone who lives on the Asian continent - including Indians and Eastern Russians - many of which have mixed with Mongolians and Chinese, even if they LOOK "white") doesn't mean they aren't. ASIAN does not mean "has slanty eyes and black hair and fits the stereotypical profile of an asian." So stop expecting it to. I know people who are half or a quarter Japanese or Chinese and you would think they're just pure European by looking at them. You cant qualify someone as "Asian" by facial features alone. Doesn't work that way.

  • July 15, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I'm not gay but...

    by Pixelsmack

    ..I'd have Stark/Downeys man baby. Can't wait for this!

  • July 15, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 rocks...

    by ThulsaBoom

    ...it's just not as good as Iron Man. It is a bit overstuffed and lets the seams show when it comes to working SHIELD in , Mickey Rourke gives a lazy/miscasted performance, and the recasting of Rhodey is jarring, even though Cheadle is a great actor, and does well in the movie. Still, a lot to love; More RDJ/Tony Stark, Gary Shandling as a prick politician, two villains that mirror separate aspects of Tony's personality, a fun War Machine/Iron Man showdown, and the sweetest flight of steps ever captured following Widow and Pepper. Did I mention more RDJ/Tony Stark?

  • July 15, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I try to play ball with these assclowns!

    by ThulsaBoom

  • July 15, 2012, 1:59 p.m. CST

    wcolbert

    by I Hope You Die

    Race might not be a scientific concept but it exists inasmuch as people lump together groups based on certain features and then exclude them from appearing in movies. "We're all one" is great unless you're one of the many actors of East Asian descent who can't get a part because Hollywood has decided nobody wants to look at you.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    @hipshot, Hollywood is absolutely racist, without question...

    by ThulsaBoom

    ...that said, this is better than The Last Airbender, and other recent casting atrocities. At least it's Ben Kingsley, not because he's part Asian, because he's an amazing, transformer of a performer. This seems 'safe' more than anything. Perhaps they are terrified that the Mandarin may be construed as playing too much into Chinese stereotypes if they use a Chinese actor. It could get pretty Pirates of the Carribean 3 in here if they are not careful. Admittedly though, I would prefer Chow Yun-Fat as the Mandarin. Django can't get here fast enough!!

  • And some Eastern Europeans look somewhat asiatic (my little sister did before she died). I understand your point - I just dont think casting should be done based on ethnic appearance unless it is absolutely VITAL to the plot (like it's a period piece in ancient China...obviously you dont want to main character to be Tom Cruise). Hell, I know a lot of people who had no idea Keanu Reeves is part Asian...figured he was Jewish or something. Appearance, as I said, is a poor indicator of background. But yeah I do agree that being excluded based on it is wrong..but then, being excluded because you DONT look asian when you ARE at least in large part of that heritage is ALSO wrong. It goes both ways, you know what I mean?

  • Expect in the next 10-20 years for a lot of that to change. You'll be seeing more and more major stars of Asian cinema making their way into U.S. movies - and I'm all for that - I can't believe that Andy Lau and Gong Li and their ilk aren't better known over here. It's a lot better than it WAS, though...we've gone from Chinese/Japanese actors only being able to find roles as kung fu experts or walking stereotypes to Asian films being released here in greater numbers and actors like Ken Watanabe playing dramatic roles rather than kung fu action stars. TOTALLY stole The Last Samurai from Tom Cruise, by the way.

  • <3 Ken Watanabe!

  • As if we couldn't find the movie engaging and follow it if there wasn't someone who looks like "us" in it to relate to. Seriously? The Forbidden Kingdom comes to mind - didn't need that American kid in there to make it a good movie. The American release of the original Godzilla is another example - sticking Raymond Burr in there and just hack and slash editing his reaction shots into the movie was a blatent disregard of the film itself and really spoke to how execs think that you can't sell an all-asian cast to an American audience. That was in 1954, less than 10 years after WWII, so more understandable, perhaps...but it hasn't really changed. At least movies like Mulan (albeit in animated form) portray an all asian cast. Really, hollywood, we don't mind if there are some movies with no caucasians in it. We ARE the minority in the world - 4 billion people in Asia....we make up a small portion of the world population as people of primarily European descent...it IS realistic that some places we wouldnt be seen much.

  • July 15, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Keaneau Reeves is barely part Chinese....

    by DARKJEDI

    he is mainly Hawaiian -American....

  • Like the laws that disbarred people from native american tribes if they weren't full blooded. It's happened. Just because you are 1/4th or 1/8th something doesnt give you any less right to be recognized as part of that ethnic group and have pride in your heritage. By the way...where do you think native hawaiians originally came from? Sure wasn't the U.S. Even Native Americans are, essentially, Asians who migrated across the land bridge.

  • But the absolute WORST was Micky Rooney as a Japanese character in Breakfast at Tiffany's. Even for a movie made in the 60's, WTF?!

  • At least he's part Fillipino, from my understanding (I really never would have guessed).

  • July 15, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Mandarin as Middle Eastern is okay. . .?

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I know the Mandarin is supposed to be the quintessential Fu Manchu evil Asian guy archetype, but I'm wondering if his now (seemingly) Middle Eastern lineage is a response to the modern day threat of terrorism and such. If you recall, Iron Man's origins dealt with the Vietnamese, and the Mandarin being Asian as well probably had a lot to do with the the Cold War and the danger that Communist China presented. Obviously we don't have the same issues now, but perhaps the new Mandarin is just a reflection of our modern day threats, the way that Mandarin and the Vietnamese were for old-school Iron Man. If that's the case, then I certainly don't mind.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Middle eastern? I thought Ben Kingsley was playing him

    by wcolbert

    Ben Kingsley is half Indian...Indians are Asian, too. Just saying. India is not the middle east.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    wcolbert

    by maelstrom_ZERO

    I'm assuming he's portraying Middle Eastern given that snippet in Iron Man 1, where the terrorist leader mentions the 10 Rings group, and is himself wearing (what presumably is one of) Mandarin's rings. I might be overreaching though.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    ah I see - I never put that together when I saw Iron Man

    by wcolbert

    I figure the rings are probably scattered among different groups of people around the world (didnt one of the animated iron man movies do just that before the mandarin was revived? )

  • July 15, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I don´t give a shit about Ironman, but

    by CuervoJones

    this is a Shane Black movie. I´m there.

  • July 15, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Nathan Fillian IS the Ant-Man.

    by Chris Moody

    Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

  • Always seemed like he'd be at home in an Indiana Jones style adventure movie :P

  • July 15, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST

    You wanna fly this ship?" "Yes!" "Well...you cant!

    by wcolbert

    Ahhh love it. Serenity was awesome.

  • July 15, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Sorry it's "You wanna run this ship?"

    by wcolbert

    haha

  • July 15, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    thulsabloom

    by Hipshot

    I have no reason to believe Hollywood is more racist than human beings in general. The natural human tendency is to think "it's them." Nope, its us. And will always be, until either the demographics change, or people wake up.

  • which officially makes a whole lot of us really, really old

  • July 15, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    wcolbert..

    by DARKJEDI

    If you have to go to your great, great great grandfather or great ,great,great grandmother, to be part of your group...well then hell everyone is a part of everything... I just dont see how you can identify yourself with a group if you weren't born there, never lived there, dont associate yourself with the culture, and you have to go to great great great grandparents to claim the culture....

  • July 15, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Thats the heart of the issue right there - we ARE all related

    by wcolbert

    So people need to stop trying to be exclusive "No, you're only x %, you're not one of us." elitist pricks. I know people have a deep seated desire to feel special or different, but the fact of the matter is this: 70,000 years ago there was a supervolcanic eruption which decimated the human population and left as few as 5,000 people alive on Earth. That's enough to fit every one of our ancestors in a high school gymnasium, regardless of where you are from. That's NOT a big gene pool. Genetically speaking, there is literally MORE difference between average members of the SAME ethnic group than there is between people of two different ethnic groups. Yes, that actually means that a man in France and a man in Tokyo actually are more genetically similar than the average difference between two Chinese men. Believe it or not. And there has been so much intermixing, multiple waves of human migrations back and forth across Asia, Europe, Africa, that we ARE all far more closely related than people want to accept. Did you know the average African American can attribute 24% of their genetic ancestry to Europeans? Doesnt matter if they like it. It wont change. Why does it matter so much to people if someone is 100% Chinese or 1/18th or 1/2? It does NOT change the fact that you can attribute part of your ancestry to that group - and even such a seemingly small number as 1/18th can have impacts on genetic predispositions or dormant traits that activate generations later. For instance - I'm only a very small percentage mongolian - yet my little sister was born with VERY Asiatic features - we havent had a fully "Asian" ancestor in many generations. The traits STILL manifest themselves randomly in random generations because they still exist. I look very much like my great grandfather, yet I look virtually NOTHING like either of my parents. Genetics doesn't work the way people think that it does. You can't just take each generation and go "ok, it's been x generations, you are x % this and that." Because we can only say we inherit an AVERAGE % of genes from either parent - it ISN'T always exactly that - on average a daughter and mother are 50% genetically the same - but sometimes a daughter is far more genetically similar to the mother's side than the father's. Even generations later, genes can come back into play in ways you didnt ever think could happen.

  • July 15, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST

    hipshot

    by macheesmo3

    grow up you filthy hippy....... It must be exhausting being outraged all the time. How do you find the time to plan your protests against hard working people who actually became successful? People are different, nobody cares except a few loony klan types in the midwest. It's you losers who keep up this assertion of difference we are all supposed to notice, then feel guilty about. It's manufactured racism. and it's bull dookey

  • If you weren't born there, never lived there, dont associate yourself with the culture...

  • July 15, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST

    what the FUCK AICN...

    by wcolbert

    I just typed up a response with a lot of thought and included a lot of scientific input and you fucking clip it down to the first sentence? REALLY?

  • And you don't see any scientists going "Oh, but you know what, that was like, a lot of generations ago - that means we're only identified as homo sapiens.' - doesn't work that way. We're not even 100% HUMAN - regardless of how many thousands of years ago it was, it had a noteable impact on our genetic evolution. 1-4% of our genetic code even this long after is attributable to Neanderthals.

  • You have every right to have pride in your heritage however far back you can go. If even your great, great, great, great, GREAT grandfather were struck from your family tree- guess what - that "long time ago" would mean that your whole part of that family line leading up to you wouldnt exist, and neither would you. Stop pretending that it doesnt matter and you are only your last 2 generations. Couldnt be further from the truth. WHERE you live has nothing to do with the culture you associate with - many people living in the US dont associate themselves as being american by culture even if they were born here - they identify with their heritage that brought them here. African Americans havent lived in africa in CENTURIES - but you just try telling them they cant identify themselves with that place or culture because it was centuries ago and they mixed with their slave owner ancestors since then so arent even all "black". we're all african when you go back far enough. Deal with it.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    one final thing (sorry)

    by wcolbert

    Because of the very fact that so many people are so intermixed (even if they arent aware of it without getting gene mapping done), if you think you are 25% East asian because your Grandparent was Asian....for instance - chances are that the % hasn't diminished quite as much as you think - because people are generally mixed and so you might well have some on your dad's side, too - so the "watering down" effect isnt necessarily going to work linearly if you KNOW you are 25% but you don't know about the 1/8th on your dad's side which you also inherited. That meaning - the only real way to know for sure what you ARE (not that % means squat except for immediate appearance which we place far too much emphasis on) is to get gene mapped. I have - I look European, yet I have a significant portion of my ancestry that I share with people of east asian descent/Mongolian/Siberian area people. Never would have known if I had relied only on the last few generations alone. I had NO idea my dad's side also carried the haplotypes.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST

    DKR Review Embargo Ends in 3 hrs 12 minutes

    by cock smoker

    If you care.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Why an embargo on reviews until a certain time?

    by wcolbert

    Forgive me, I dont really understand the politics of the thing...aren't people going to find out if it sucks before the thing has been out a day anyway? One would think if you wanted to do that, you would make people wait until the first week was over so you could at least make a profit that you might not have made with bad word out about it from reviewers.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Who gives a shit?

    by maxjohnson1971

    Ben Kingsley is aweesome!!! Asian-smasian!! Bring on IM3!!

  • July 15, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Agreed. Ben Kingsley rocks your face off. RECOGNIZE

    by wcolbert

    ...Except for Blood Rayne. He should feel ashamed for having been a part of that. I'm sure he does.

  • July 15, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST

    ”You call me a terrorist? I consider myself a teacher.”

    by MCVamp

    Maybe they should have just cast Liam Neeson if they wanted Ra's Al Ghul to be the villain.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST

    Kingsley was good in You Kill Me

    by cock smoker

    Just caught it on TV..some good dark humor in it.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Rationale for Embargos

    by cock smoker

    If its super shitty they don't preview it for anyone. Nolan and company are apparently hardcore that nothing is released until tonight. The other approach is stagger previews to different audiences.. release overseas first and let UK papers write it, then US trade mags and then everyone.

  • July 15, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST

    EMBARGO ON!

    by MCVamp

    Who run Bartertown?

  • July 15, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Dave Letterman spoils the ending of Dark Knight Rises.....

    by Punisherthunder

  • July 15, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Remember when Harry reviewed Iron Man 2

    by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE

    and he compared it to Spiderman 2? Too bad it was more like Catwoman 2. I can't get excited for this, sorry. I'll wait until the reviews are out and if it's shitty I'll download it for free. Booya.

  • Hope there's a connection!

  • Seriously? Who fucking cares?! This is a talkback about a fucking "Iron Man" movie! Get out of here. A man can only read so many talkback before his attention span moves elsewhere. I've wasted valuable time reading your sissy bullshit. Ben Kingsley is a great actor (lets not think about BloodRayne). Be happy. ...And fuck off.

  • July 15, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST

    you don't like it pal hit the road

    by raptorman

  • July 16, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Ya

    by KingDingaLing

  • and some think that gandi was a super villain too mandarin doesnt have to be asian...stark was not kidnapped by chinese in iron man so who cares and will someone please tell stan lee to stfu...you dont work for marvel entertainment...you are fucking poodle fetch boy

  • July 16, 2012, 1 a.m. CST

    wcolbert....good reply egons...

    by DARKJEDI

    Get some Ritlin....Reading is Fundamental...

  • July 16, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST

    black went out of his way to diss spidey 3

    by walt

    regarding how all the story arcs were disjointed

  • July 16, 2012, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 was BADLY shown up by Kick-Ass

    by deathletter

    Compare Scarlett Johanssen's "taking out bad guys in a hallway" scene with Chloe Moretz's "taking out bad guys in a hallway" scene. Iron Man 2 was a boring, boring film.

  • July 16, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Ugh, more War Machine?

    by NightArrows

    Iron Man 2 was awful, and we had The Avengers which was the greatest of team-up movies. Can't we just get Iron Man solo for this one?

  • July 16, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Iron Man 2 was a rush job cash grab

    by Rupee88

    They started filming it without a completed script....all because they wanted to make their release date and cash in. Favreau complained about this early on and as almost forced out as a result until he got back in line.

  • July 16, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Hulk should be in this

    by chickenandpie

    For 12 minutes

  • July 16, 2012, 8:39 a.m. CST

    I'm certain they cast Kingsley BECAUSE he's not Chinese

    by rev_skarekroe

    By making him of mixed ethnic origin they deflect the inevitable charges of playing into the "yellow peril" stereotype in using The Mandarin as a villain.

  • July 16, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    carey hirouki-tagawa

    by solitaire

    that guy was always the mandarin to me. I love Kingsley, though. A guy who can be both Gandhi and don logan in sext beast and do it convincingly is pretty awesome.

  • July 16, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST

    WHERE IS THE FOOTAGE?!

    by letsfightinglove

    I can't believe none of you people who were at this presentation recorded anything. And don't whine that you were afraid to get kicked out, pussies.

  • July 16, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Studios claim to fear being racist--

    by Hipshot

    When it allows white executives to cast white people. Somehow, it is always to their benefit, never to the benefit of the groups they claim to be sensitive to. What a crock of self-serving bullshit. No one except internet trolls will actually admit to being tribalistic. they want to keep the money, and power "in the family" when possible.

  • Between the casting and premise so far, it's gotten me interested in the franchise again. Well, Avengers did that, but this cements it. Kingsley vs. Downey sounds great. As the chemistry with Banner showed, giving Stark a deadly-smart and powerful foil is where it's at. IM2 was filled with stupidity.

  • July 16, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST

    The new Iron Man suit looks fucking shit.

    by scriptgirl_nipples

    Too much pale gold.

  • July 16, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST

    that Happy Birthday

    by Anthony Torchia

    will be the most memorable minute of her life lucky kid :-)

  • That's not a theory from the tin foil hat bunch, but real scientists. The theory of Panspermia goes, that an object colliding with Mars eons ago, kicked up organic material that made it's way to a young Earth, thereby seeding the planet. So if that's true, not only are we all related, we are also, not of this Earth. Which is pretty cool.

  • July 17, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST

    wcolbert

    by Binkysguy

    Wow, what an irritating, long-winded screed. Also, you said "Rashida Jones. Half black. DOES not look it remotely." Yes, she does...plus, her name is RASHIDA. There's an ethnic clue for your ass.

  • Spoken like someone completely unaware of their own privilege, who hasn't taken a single college-level sociology class. Or at least taken one and passed it.

  • Not counting her wedding night with her new husband "Quick Shoot" McGee.

  • July 17, 2012, 6:25 p.m. CST

    BOYCOTT MARVEL AND DISNEY

    by seansarto

  • If he had balls he should have taken a pop at the reboot instead.

  • July 18, 2012, 2:08 p.m. CST

    All Feige has to do is buy him a truck?

    by Prem1x

    Buy RDJ that truck! Make mine Marvel!

  • July 18, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Something very relevant happened in IM2!!!!

    by Darth Macchio

    Anybody ever see that Cockatoo again? NOPE! Freakin Mandarin wiped out the Cockatoo and no one even noticed. Was it the same bird? Nope! This is not my bird! THIS is not MY bird. That's freakin relevant people. I know people. Involved people. That's relevant.

  • Watch "Breakfast at Tiffany's" and witness the abomination of Mickey Rooney playing a Chinese caricature, complete with prosthetic teeth, shag wig and Coke bottle glasses. Trust me... Ben Kingsley playing The Mandarin will no longer bother you in the least bit.

  • July 22, 2012, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Ben Kingsley as The Mandarin

    by AD_Skinner

    Worst casting ever. Kingsley is a two-bit hack. As soon as I heard that this movie was dead to me. Now Tony Leung, there's your Fuckin' Mandarin!

  • July 26, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Look at this talkback and the Equalizer one...

    by Hipshot

    On this one, you have people complaining about a white guy playing an Asian. White people defend it. On the other, you have white people complaining about Denzel playing a role that was formerly played by a white guy. Now: I personally would be happy to have "color-blind casting" across the board. But since such a thing would never happen, I feel perfectly comfortable with some formerly white roles going to non-white performers just because there are so few roles for, for instance, Asian actors, then you run into the absurdity of most of the good roles going to white actors in makeup. It is VILE, and clearly racist, and seems to be defended by the very people who protest when Denzel is cast in a "white" role. And the only way it will ever change is when enough people say "enough."

  • July 30, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST

    3 things

    by mr teaspoon

    1) I look forward to the movie 2) Getting on the mic and mentioning it's your birthday is attention whoring of a shameful degree 3) Don Cheadle comes across as disingenuous as shit. It's OK buddy, you don't have to be into the whole comic con vibe. Just don't fake it.

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