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How Much Does DREDD Have To Make In The U.S. To Get Us A Sequel?? Alex Garland Says...
...$50 million seems to be the magic number. Garland appeared at London Film and Comic Con over the weekend, where DREDD was pimped, and discussed where the latest theatrical adaptation of the JUDGE DREDD comics might head after the first installment hits screens in September.
If they want to make sequels, I’ve got a story that goes from this one into the origins of Dredd and the city. Then the third one has would have a strange, existential attack from the Dark Judges.
...said Garland, who offers more insight via THIS write-up at Bleeding Cool.
1995's Stallone-starring adaptation of the material will FINALLY arrive on Blu-ray here in the States mid-September (HERE), having already been available on the format for some time in other regions. Looking forward to the Blu of that one - at the very least it's a visually arresting film which should look amazing in HD.
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July 9, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
Translation: Every review will read "problem is this FEELS like the first of a trillogy, not it's own film"
by Domi'sInnerChild
Press agents making it easier for reviewers to pre-write their reviews for decades.
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Shot the dredd in the head, took the money and the lambs bread.
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very vague comment.
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on my face
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so there's $6 (I go to matinees)
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July 9, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
How much money does it take to make a Substitute V? Treat gotta Eat.......
by SmokieGeezer
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July 9, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Without Armand Assante chewing up the scenery, This film's bad guy has a lot to live upto.......LAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
by SmokieGeezer
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Good luck.
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I assume Garland means it will have to open with a 50 Mil or more to warrant a sequel? A 50 Mil domestic cum seems like a REALLY low threshold.
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July 9, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
Have you seen the trailer? It looks like a made for TV movie in 1985... not good.
by Mennen
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The headline says U.S....
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EPIC
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This looks like a turd of a story. Great visuals in the trailer, but so what?
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http://www.totalfilm.com/news/star-trek-2-villain-revealed
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This might be a good actor with lots of range and whatever, but he just doesn't have authoritative macho charisma. They should've gone with Vin Diesel or Terry Crews.
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It is dreck of the lowest order (with a few exceptions) and is to 2000AD what Schumacher's Batman & Robin is to the comics.
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July 9, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
Comes out Sept. 21 ...Between Resident Evil & Taken 2
by StatelyWayneManor
Wait for it...a double whammy. Milla a week before & Liam Neeson 2 weeks afterwards? Good luck.
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...no it doesn't. You're just a cine-illiterate troll bastard. I bet you love the Stallone aberration.
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July 9, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
I've guessing $50 million is total. Domestic +International
by SlickyVonBoner
It shouldn't have any problem making that, right?
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Angel gang and ABC Warrior aside, they didn't nail shit. Fucking travesty of a movie. New one will bury it's memory and hopefully open the gates for Rogue Trooper, Strontium, Nikolai, Durham Red and all the other great characters that fucking OWN the DC and Marvel shite we have to make do with in Hollywood.
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July 9, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
The Stallone version was dogshit. I wouldn't have it on Blu for free. This new take on Dredd looks damn fine to me. Can't wait.
by Ecto-1
I think they've taken the right approach with it in producing it on a lower budget. Too many films these days have stupid-sized budgets and they don't stand a chance of making them back. Karl Urban is a good choice for Dredd and from the trailer he looks great. DNA Films have produced some quality flicks over the years so don't be a dickhead in writing this one off just yet.
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So I assume it needs to make 50 mill in America alone to get a sequel, which means there won't be a sequel.
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From small things like the helmet being wrong, through the Angel gang looking nothing like the Angel gang (only exception being Mean), Fargo being chief judge still, the dumb sidekick, the dumb bikes, the helmet and uniform coming off for most of the film, the final act being butchered (disappearing clones and facility blowing up for no reason), all the way to the biggest no-no of Hershey and Dredd making out and Dredd riding off happy with a Diane Lane induced boner. They fucked up every single thing - a lot of it due to Stallones ego at the time not allowing him to play the actual Dredd character and instead want an American audience friendly happy-clappy version. It was a fucking abomination and however this new Dredd film turns out? Can't be worse than the 1995 movie.
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I like the ideas from Garland. It is what I have been saying for years. Seems like he really knows his Dredd. I agree with setting up the universe and characters first and then doing cursed earth/angel gang second, then dark judges for the 3rd film. I would set up judge child in one of those for a superman 1/zod style for city of the damned story for a 4th film.
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July 9, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
More Dredd news please! This movie seems so under the radar.
by Quake II
Personally I'm almost as excited about this movie as I was The Avengers. The character has a lot of potential for a kick ass franchise and I HOPE Dredd is as badass as the trailer indicates. And yes, I liked some of the 1995 Stallone version but the nihilistic, anarchist feel of the comics was sadly missing to appeal to the masses.
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July 9, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST
Hate for The Stallon version? But you all know it......Cant someone like the old and look forward to the new you Talkback nazi's!!!
by SmokieGeezer
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July 9, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
Someone needs to give GOLAN/GLOBUS a royalty cheque judging by the trailer.......
by SmokieGeezer
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July 9, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
i love this b.o. stuff... so the budget is 45mil according to wiki
by JAMF
usually 40% of total takings is from the u.s. and he's hoping for 50mil u.s. which means the other 60% = 75mil international for a total of 125 mil worldwide. right? now, you need twice the budget to break even, so thats 45 x = 90. 125-90 = 35mil profit. although some of that 35mil has gotta got towards promotional costs or whatever. so 50mil domestic is the least they should hope for just to break even and maybe earn a little bit of profit. gonna need more than that for a sequel, alex.
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Ok, some people have already seen an early print of the new Dredd. And the consensus... Yeah, it's good. Not the best film that will set the world alight, but a good, solid, action film, some great set pieces, actual characterization for the main characters, not too light, close (in tone) to the comics, with Urban nailing a 'hard ass' Dredd who is closer to the comic version than the Stallone version before. Personally, I think it is a good strategy of the film company - create a film for $35million so that the final take is achievable, and build on that initial showing to build a further franchise of movies. I for one am looking forward to seeing the finished article and hope that enough people see it to give it a couple more installments. And even though it may not totally feel right in a more 'serious' realistic version of Mega City, I'd look forwards to a cinematic version of Judge Death and his brothers too.
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Make it happen!
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July 9, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
I NEED a Judge Dredd movie featuring the Dark Judges
by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS
Ten year old me has waited FAR too long to see that.
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July 9, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
Why are they so reluctant to use Judge Death? Btw ARMAND ASSANTE WAS A GOD IN THE FIRST MOVIE!!
by marineboy
He's one of the greatest foes in comic history - as much a part of Dredd the Joe himself...
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July 9, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
@christian_bale_trashed_my_lights: What? There are No African Judges?
by Afzal
Man...... Call Snoop!
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July 9, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
Been waiting (hoping) to see Judge Death on the big screen someday...
by DickBallsworth
Fuck the "background origin" bullshit for the proposed sequel and go right into the Dark Judges storyline.
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Dredd deserves some love and the other 2000AD characters like Slaine and Strontium Dog are begging to be made into films. You Yanks are missing out.
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Looks like the shittiest American remake of the raid ever!!!!!!! I had high hopes for this one they picked a good actor for the role and fucked it up sigh I don't have any faith in movies anymore
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There seems to be more to the film than just the assault on the Block. No one knows more about this movie than the pretty good trailer has alluded to. Lets hope the haters will dial back the bullshit until we finally get to watch the movie. Or is an UK originated comic to much for your Marvel/DC fed brains to cope with? I don't know if this film is going to rock. I do know I'll see it anyway. I don't know what the general population, those non Dredd and genre fans are going to make of it. I'm hoping they'll enjoy it anyhow. After the assassination of Prometheus and John Carter by haters here, I'm hoping against hope that they'll fuck off and die before they spoil the run up to a possibly decent film of a potential franchise that might really entertain.
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Every POS movie makes at LEAST that much, so Dredd won't have a problem hitting $50 million in worldwide box office. Probably hit 3x that, if the film is good. So relax all!
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Hey, do the origin story later, get the dark judges in there asap. and throw in the future tech too. robots, flying cars, mutants.
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Hey, do the origin story later, get the dark judges in there asap. and throw in the future tech too. robots, flying cars, mutants.
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September can't get here fast enough.
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I was at the LFCC and I can assure that the new footage shown there was absolutely phenomenal! The comic character has been totally brought to life by Karl Urban and the filmmakers. In the clip shown Dredd was depicted as he should be as a cold, clinical and brutal dispatcher of of bad guy scum! Like the first Dirty Harry movie projected into a violent and chaotic future! Also, although only shown in 2D and on a crappy monitor the footage looked beautiful and the shots fantastically composed. In short, it was the very antithesis of mainstream, homogenized crud like the Resident Evil and those Underworld movies. This film will be beautifully brutal and have something to say about where society could be headed. Trust me, you'll want to see this movie! And I'm not Robert Plant!
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Please...if there's anyone involved with the making of these films reading this now...for the love of God and the fans....please NO origin stories!!!!!!!! I've wanted to see the Dark Judges especially Judge Death on the big screen for years. That is the way to go with the second film. As for a third potential film, I'd like to see the Apocalypse War. Now there's a nice way to round out the trilogy!!
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Urban's nailed the character. Garland's nailed the atmosphere and a gritty, smaller scale story to introduce Joe's world. This is the movie I'm most stoked for this whole year. I must say though, compared to some of the Dredd fans posting, I'm not that keen for a Dark Judges storyline in any possible sequels. They need to introduce the supernatural element that was present in the strips in a more low key way -I agree with one of the other posters about the second movie perhaps at least introducing Owen Krysler and having Dredd be responsible for his death - before a third movie being a full on, harrowing, dark adaption of City of the Damned. Now that would be superb. I'd love to see Death, Fear, Fire and Mortis introduced in one film, then Necropolis adapted for the next, just can't see it being possible and the budget needed to realize it would be way too much. Go smaller. Darker even. City of the Damned would be perfect.
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July 9, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
I wonder if the sequel will have Dry Cleaning type vans from the 80s?
by LORDOFLIGHT
Or will it actually look like it's in the future?
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Something else, while I've been mulling over the footage from LFCC, is the look of the film. Garland and co have described the film as a cross between Blade Runner and A Clockwork Orange and I totally get where they're coming from-the film has an almost Kubrickian/Documentary look and feel to its depiction of enviroment and violence. But you know what else the look of it reminded me of? Those fantastic crime thrillers by William Friedkin, Don Segal, John Frankenheimer and all those other greats from the '70's Now don't worry, if that all sounds a bit challenging for you, I'm sure there'll be another generic Jason Statham movie just around the corner.
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July 9, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
It needs to make $50 million in the US to guarantee a sequel- not worldwide
by sauchieboy
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July 9, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
Urban's nailed the character. Garland's nailed the atmosphere and a gritty, smaller scale story to introduce Joe's world. This is the movie I'm most stoked for this whole year.
by JAMF
you got all that from a shitty slomo action trailer?
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screw this Urban stuff
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July 9, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
Welcome to the future where people still drive MkIII Ford Escorts
by LORDOFLIGHT
And other assorted vehicles from the 80s.
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If you can't see how they've nailed the essence of the character then you obviously know fuck all about Dredd. Beyond that, funnily enough, there's more information out there about what they've done with this movie, not to mention THE WHOLE FUCKING SCRIPT IS ONLINE, DICKHEAD so I've made my mind up from a whole slew of different sources besides just that rather awesome trailer, that this film has got great potential. But still, enjoy being a miserable cunt and hoping everything fails. Personally, I'm gonna have a terrific September.
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Actually Dredd was drawn as African-American in some of the early stories.
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Hap calling....good to see you here.
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Block mania, lower budget, not a million miles from already trailed footage, finished with a cliffhanger, the attack of east meg 1, sequel, big war flick in the shape of the Apocalypse war. The judges win...well duuuhh....cue cliff hanger in 2....the dark judges arrive with a quick confrontation with a group of celebrating survivors..."the crime issss life, the sssentence issss death!"
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I agree... this is pretty damn close to the Dredd i've read for years. The trailer is spot on and I know for sure that the script nails it... If anyone has any doubts it's out there. I'll be seeing this with a few friends so that's £60.00 towards the cause ;)
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- in a pincer movement, with you charging South from the frozen wastes of Canadia, me sweeping West from Bonnie Scotchland. As we two prove- the Dredd comics are pretty well known in major English speaking territories and worldwide. However much this film takes in the US, we can expect it to do well in the rest of the world. Just look at the Youtube hits, and the graph next to the counter shows a great deal of those hits are coming from South America, India and Russia- massive markets!
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Keep spreading the good word mate. We may just see that sequel yet and whether or not Death and his killing cousins make a good screen transition....
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I haven't been expecting it to do too well in the states. Dredd never did translate too well for them. But this version hopefully has a chance of bringing a few more yanks to the fold. Where it's really going to make money is in Europe and considering the growing good word on it, I think we're going to get another Flash Gordon situation - loved in Europe where it makes loads of money and has a big following, and mostly misunderstood and ignored stateside. Hope I'm wrong on the latter but I can't see anyway its not going to make enough money for a sequel, especially if they don't demand an inflated budget. It's a good time to be a Dredd fan.
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Anyone complaining based on the evidence so far, is a fucknut of the highest calibre.
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July 9, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
Americans didn't love Flash Gordon? It's got Brian Blessed wearing a feather diaper ...
by sauchieboy
... the guy from Fiddler on the roof, the Welsh James Bond, and Max von Sydow- from that Judge Dredd film they all love so much! How many times have you read US posters repeating the Stallone film's LAAAAAWWWWW!!!! catchphrase? Flash Gordon's got 'Gordon's alive?!', fer heaven's sake! What's NOT to like?
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July 9, 2012, 3:09 p.m. CST
Sauchie....you're talking to the biggest Flash Gordon fan alive...
by Hint_of_Smegma
...so yes I'll never understand why the Americans weren't just as keen on it as us Europeans lol. My prized possessions are two signed original Flash posters by Sam Jones, one for me, one for my wife. It was Dalton's best non-Bond film (he's still the best Bond IMO ) and Blessed was never more glorious! Not to mention, Ornella Muti literally sown into silk trousers. It is the most cinematic, the most fun, and the greatest film ever in the history of film making. Anyone who doesn't see that is beyond all mental help, frankly.
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July 9, 2012, 3:19 p.m. CST
What is the purpose of trolling every article about a movie you've already decided will suck?
by Jon Forbing
Is it just that you like shitting in people's Cheerios? Is it the because of the bitter-internet-dickhead erection that you get from feeling superior to people who are excited about it? Maybe the movie will be terrible, maybe it will be great. Maybe it will sell 6 tickets, maybe it will be 6 million. Either way, deciding a movie is crap, then commenting on EVERY SINGLE article AICN posts about it to say the same shit over and over... I mean, you might as well just walk up to random groups of people on the street to tell them that whatever conversation they're having is stupid. Yes, you have every right to give your opinion, but boy does it ever make you look like a maladjusted asshole.
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Sure there's a lot of baggage over the Stallone film (except for you four people in the world who liked it). And yes there are always crap scifi films pumped out of Hollywood like Lockout and Resident Evil 29 or whatever. But I want to like Urban, I want there to be a good Dredd film finally, and some of the credits on this film ain't so bad. Maybe the film will be trash but I'm going to wait and see.
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Saw it at Apple. Got the weird (and probably unique to me) impression Dredd was the bad guy in the flick. I mean, that mind altering drug looked like the only thing that could make living in Mega City One tolerable, and he wants to stop it? Sorry, I'm on Crime Queen's side.
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July 9, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
Dredd IS the bad guy- and he's the hero. That's what makes him such an interesting character.
by sauchieboy
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July 9, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
Reportabuse......it's not a unique view. That's the point of Dredd.
by Hint_of_Smegma
It's long been John Wagner's intention that Dredd be shown as a heroic figure, but within a massively totalitarian regime that allows virtually no pleasures or freedoms because it has to so ruthlessly surpress the citizens to have any hope of keeping order in such a huge, otherwise out of control metropolis. Dredd is meant to be a guy who'd do anything to save a citizen, but god help that citizen if he steps outside the law.
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July 9, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST
Night Night, Smegma- nice to know this board's in good hands
by sauchieboy
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To go along with those 80s dry cleaning vans. Imagine some boy racer cunt tryin to knock Dredd off his Lawmaster in one of those.
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I don't care.
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Trust me, that story kicks ass...
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Did Dark City? No. Give it a fucking chance, instead of more typical safe bullshit. I'm not saying it will be, but Dredd could be a great screen character. Maybe this will be it.
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... in the hope it results in a sequel with the dark judges.
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July 9, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST
these Dredd TBs are always a tad planty
by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports
But regardless, I'm looking forward to the film. I only hope it's slightly less blue-tinted than it appears in the trailer.
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July 9, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
Does anyone have a chronological list of trade paperbacks for Judge Death's storyline?
by Detective_Fingerling
I've never read any of the 2000 AD or Judge Dread stuff, but I'm intrigued by Judge Death and the Judge Child stories. Does anyone have a list of the trade paperbacks for these tales?
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July 9, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
If Spiderman already gets a relaunch, then I'm not gonna bitch about Dredd getting a relaunch 17 years after the Stallone one
by lv_426
I'll also take this new "crappy looking" Dredd film over another glossy Spiderman. Maybe it will be shit, but it is Judge Dredd, who would just shoot Spidey out of the sky or off the side of a building without breaking a sweat. Engage nerd rage!!!!!
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July 9, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
Detective Fingerling.....not every Judge Death story so far has been collected.
by Hint_of_Smegma
Most, but not quite all. You'd be best off reading them in context, in my humble opinion and if that is something you're interested in then go to Amazon.co.uk and start buying the Judge Dredd Complete Case Files. Judge Death makes his first appearance in Vol:3, then his next rather iconic story appears in Vol:5. There's sporadic appearances from there on until the largest Judge Death story, Necropolis, in Vol 14. The case files are well worth the investment. Here's a list of his appearances from the comic and the megazine. Judge Dredd "Judge Death" (by John Wagner and Brian Bolland, 2000 AD #149-151, 1980) "Judge Death Lives" (by John Wagner, Alan Grant and Brian Bolland, 2000 AD #224-228, 1981) "Behold The Beast" (by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra, Judge Dredd Annual 1983, 1982) Anderson, Psi-Division "Revenge" (by Alan Grant (writer) and Brett Ewins and Cliff Robinson (artists), 2000 AD #416-427, 1985; story also called "Four Dark Judges" in reprints) Judge Dredd "Aftermath Ron Reagan" (by John Wagner and Alan Grant (writers) and Ian Gibson (artist), 2000 AD #420, 1985) "House of Death" (by John Wagner and Pat Mills (writers) and Bryan Talbot (artist), Dice Man #1, 1986) Anderson, Psi-Division "Beyond the Void" (by Alan Grant and Mick Austin, 2000 AD #612-613, 1989) Judge Dredd "Dear Annie" (by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra, 2000 AD #672-673, 1990) "Necropolis" (by John Wagner and Carlos Ezquerra, 2000 AD #674-699, 1990) "The Theatre of Death" (by John Wagner and Ron Smith, 2000 AD #700-701, 1990) Young Death "Boyhood of a Superfiend" (by John Wagner and Peter Doherty, Judge Dredd Megazine volume 1 #1-12, 1990-91; collected in Young Death: Boyhood of a Superfiend, May 2008, ISBN 1-905437-65-X) Judge Dredd "Return Of The King" (by Garth Ennis and Carlos Ezquerra, 2000 AD #733-735, 1991) Batman / Judge Dredd "Judgement on Gotham" (by John Wagner and Alan Grant (writers) and Simon Bisley (artist), graphic novel, 1991, ISBN 1-56389-022-4) Judge Dredd "Judge Death: The True Story" (by John Wagner and Ian Gibson, 2000 AD #901-902, 1994) "The Three Amigos" (by John Wagner and Trevor Hairsine, Judge Dredd Megazine vol. 3 #2-7, 1995) "Dead Reckoning" (by John Wagner and Greg Staples, 2000 AD #1000-1007, 1996) Batman / Judge Dredd "Die Laughing" (by John Wagner and Alan Grant (writers) and Glenn Fabry and Jim Murray (artists), graphic novel, 1998) Judge Death (by John Wagner and Frazer Irving; collected in Judge Death: My Name is Death, 112 pages, 2005, ISBN 1-904265-73-1): "My Name is Death" (in 2000 AD #1289-1294, 2002) "The Wilderness Days" (in Judge Dredd Megazine #209-216, 2003-2004)
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July 9, 2012, 9:04 p.m. CST
As long as it has the spirit of the original comics I'm in.
by Christian Sylvain
Despite whatever low budget, the movie is shaping up to be good
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but Urban's frowny face and Eastwood impression put me off a bit.
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....is because Urban it seems has actually done a fair amount of reading regarding the history of the character. In 1977 when Wagner created the character he was very influenced by Dirty Harry, wanting to create a futuristic version in effect, and after various changes along the way Dredd is what he and Carlos Ezquerra came up with. Along with the uniform design changes and Urban's take on how Dredd sounds, it seems like they're going back to the original well for the character.
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And it looked awesome!!
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Seriously people, Garland wants this to make $50m in the US? Well what about the fact that the superb Rambo (2008) could only gross $48m with a star name and franchise attached? This film will open to lukewarm weekend and drop off like a rock, never making the required $50m. In the UK it's going to do massive business due to the Dredd fanbase, but Dredd is virtually unknown as a character in the US. Sorry folks...
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I'll be there opening weekend.
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Feels like Dredd, don't know what more you could want.
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Bones as Dredd is al'ight!
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A small cameo by Marlon Shakespeare"Chopper" "The Midnight Surfer" in the film/franchise
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