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SPOILER ALERT! AICN COMICS/POPTARDS PODCAST: Better late than never, the @$$Holes talk up THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Movie!!!
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Ambush Bug here. The below hour-plus long conversation took place between myself and my fellow @$$holes Matt Adler, Poptards contributor Snooty P, and our host Johnny Destructo of PoptardsGo.com as we talked about THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Movie!
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Great movie. Loved it
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So I went into the movie expecting the worst, and was ultimately surprised. I know there is a lot to pic apart from the movie and you guys do a good job in doing that. The chemistry between the two lovebirds is what makes this movie work in ways better than the original 3. Storywise, the way the school interacts with Peter was my only gripe about the movie. Especially after the basketball scene. My high school would have reacted differently the very next day.
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I know there was a scene in the trailer where after Peter throws the football, the coach asks if he wants to be on the team and Pete says "nah, it's too dangerous"
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Ok, I liked the movie, but how come he abandoned the search for Uncle Ben's killer? Peter seemed pretty content at the end of the film, yet the killer was still on the loose.
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July 9, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
I explain my reasoning for it in the show..it involves what Capt Stacey says to Peter at dinner
by Poptard_JD
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I know the scene you mean - and what you're referring to - will listen to the broadcast after work tonight. btw........has anyone read Drew McWeeny's reviews - I think there's a couple of crucial elements he didn't understand.
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For me the performances in this movie were so wooden that Howdy Doody would have been in awe. Garfield was particularly bad. I didn't believe a single emotional moment that came out of him. On the other hand the Spider-Man moments were far beyond any of the Raimi movies in both movement and attitude.
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I loved the performances! also, no I didn't read Drew McWeeney's reviews yet, what didn't he get?
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July 9, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Thanks for the podcast. Im listening to it as I type this and...
by eloy
I dont know where you stand about it yet, but I came out of it, two days ago, kinda indifferent, only to find out that, as time passes by, I get more and more pissed off and truly let down by it. And I went in wanting to love it, by the way. It is a Spiderman film! Okay, Im listening to you now, jd and ambush (which comes as a surprise, jd; normally I see quite eye to eye with you), now youre saying that you liked it, so this oncoming rant might just as well be completely useless but here I go, anyway. (This doesnt mean I'll stop listening to your shows or anything- not that you care in any case, I guess) First, anyone is free to like whatever but, really, this sudden history revision and bashing of Raimi´s first two flicks- not saying you are doing it- is just pathetic. Spiderman 2 is not only, possibly, the very best comic book adaptation ever but is, as well, very well deeply entrenched in my top 20 favorite films (any sort of films, period) ever. And it is all about taste, for sure, but I dont have any problem whatsoever with poetry (day by day...) and "faggy" Parker (I use the term with disdain, to make a point, so please, to everyone, spare me the "you´re a fucking bigot" rants- I´ve got nothing against homosexual people. Nuff said) is, to me, closer to the source material than darko, skato, douchey Parker. Hands down. Im sure as all fuck not going to go beat by beat dissecting and shitting all over this but, come on, the fucking cranes scene is one of the most retarded, super retarded scenes I have EVER witnessed, made all the worse by its obvious desire to mimic the very "maligned" Raimi´s "New York loves Spidey" touching moments- are you really gonna tell me it stands proud by the side of 2´s train passengers scene? Are you motherfucking telling me that he couldn´t swing by the New York landscape as he ALWAYS does? Spiderman offers quips, puns, jokes, and mocks the villains; that whole scene with the car-jacker was funny- first- and flat-out douchey-bully-like later. That´s not Spiderman, that´s an asshole. Also, if you are going to buy into the official bullshit Sony, Arad and Webb are trying to feed us, "this is not about CG heroics; this is the journey of discovery of one young man who is struggling with parent, ethical and romantic issues", well, it sure as all fuck doesnt work as that, either. Much less, actually. People bitch a fuckload about the leisurely pace of 2 but it was precisely because of it that it, actually, did offer the human angle before anything else, which is why it works so astoundingly great in the first place. The "let´s rip off Nolan´s approach"? Fuck, they couldn´t even get that right! He´s got a red cloth and shades covering his face one second and the next he is in full Costume Designer-engineered garb. How did he build his web-shooters? Where is he gonna get all his endless supply of webbing? Is he gonna get home all fucked up and bruised every night and May is not gonna do anything but cry? I´m not a fucking nitpicking troll here, really, but when you are first asking your audience to get down and dirty and all real, and then you spend the rest of your movie expecting them to suspend their disbelief here and there, and once again over there, you can´t fucking realistically expect them to keep up- which, based on your positive reaction and the Cinemascore A- exit polls, they achieved, anyway. Not with me, though. Raimi-and Whedon, by the way- asked us to suspend our disbelief from the get-go ("We wiill meet again, Spiderman! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!)and that worked just fine. There is potential here- when watched separately, the scenes themselves kinda worked, looked slick, well cast (Stone, for sure, is perfect, as is Field) and whatnot, and I really expect the sequel- I mean, it is a Spiderman movie!-, but this movie let me down. Massively.
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July 9, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
I understand what you guys are saying, but I just don't feel the need for things based on pure Fantasy to be so strongly based in reality.
by Wcwlkr
I really enjoyed the movie! I thought it was really good. I still can't give it the edge over Spider-Man 2 I freaking loved that movie. I'll give it the edge over 1 & 3 without a doubt. But I'm sorry a movie about a Guy bitten by a radioactive spider & gets super powers doesn't have to be Saving Private Ryan. Now I'm not talking Batman & Robin camp here GOD NO! But it can still have some seriousness to it with some awesome fantasy. But again I really liked it and I do think Garfield edges Macguire & and the relationships aspects in this one blows the others FAR AWAY.
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While this movie was certainly better than 3, I don't think it topped 2 or 1. It lacked the heart of the first two Spidey films. It was kinda cold. I liked the leads, but the changes in the origin are nonsense, and create more serious problems than organic web spinners ever did. I don’t get why geeks have to say “This was better than that, because that sucks!” No. This was about on par with the first Rami film, but it still had problems. It wasn’t nearly as awesome as Spidey 2.
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They also confused the motivation of the character. Batman: My parents are dead, I'm going to bust some heads because of the trauma of it. Spider-Man: i screwed up by not realizing that with great power comes great responsibility.
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July 9, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
I don't think they confused origins at all, I think it was pretty realistic.
by Poptard_JD
I too would bust some heads AND learn that with Great Power comes Great Responsibility. In the comic, he finds the burglar and busts his head.
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July 9, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
I highly recommend you go re-watch Spider-Man 2 with your Cheese-o-meter turned on, and report back ;)
by Poptard_JD
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There was a scene at the party where Peter is trying out poetry on MJ and my girlfriend stops typing on her laptop long enough to look up and say "oh my god, some of this stuff if AWFUL"! I happen to agree. I still like the movie though, there are just a bunch of parts I want to fast forward through because they make me blush with how terrible the dialogue is
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some of the cg when he's fighting Doc Ock, is highly questionable.........which always surprises me, the CG Spidey looks about 20 pounds heavier than Toby Maquire, which is weird as I would've assumed they just scanned his body to help get the proportions of the figure.
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July 9, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
agreed about the CGI in Spidey 2, @righteous..but how about that train fight?!? One of the most bad-ass fights in comic movie history
by Poptard_JD
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July 9, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST
All right, I'm just going to come out and say it. Get your crucifix boards, nails, pitchforks and torches ready.
by 3774
The CGI Spider-Man in the first movie, imho, is freakin' awful. Like, jaw-droppingly bad awful. When people around me were getting into it, I sat baffled. Could they not see the complete absence of inertia or weight of the CGI version? It was like watching a cartoon character....a glaringly-obvious cartoon character....that kept popping up to zip around and defy all physics in a live action movie. My willful suspension of disbelief couldn't take it. Despite that, I watched the first Raimi movie, and liked it. I watched the second movie, and really liked it. I watched the third movie, and hated it profoundly. But love any of them or hold them up in some sort of untouchable reverence? Not even. Not remotely. The whole Batman-esque dark revenge angle is something that's got my skeptic-o-tron up and running, but I am very much looking forward to seeing the live-action stunts. Seeing a 'real' Spider-Man instead of a cartoon could really float my boat, even if the story is a little mishandled.
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July 9, 2012, 7:47 p.m. CST
I actually kinda liked it. But why didn't Parker tell Gwen to throw the dispersion thing out the window or whatever?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Seems like a better solution than hiding it in a closet. You know, since she wanted to be brave and save everybody rather than running away.
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The film was so vanilla. Hollywood, be more original with the franchise. Hell, adapt the "Edge of Time" video game.... take the plot line. Andrew Garfield for Peter Parker. Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Miguel O'Hara. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b-zoPa0UO4&feature=related
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July 13, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
I'm so surprised when I see people not liking it! you craaaaaazy. ;)
by Poptard_JD
I couldn't get through the Edge of Time video game...just felt like a boring button-masher to me.
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