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And Here's a 13 Minute Long DARK KNIGHT RISES Featurette!

Nordling here.

Not gonna watch, not gonna watch, notgonnawatch, notgonnawatchnotgonnawatch

You may want to, though...

THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, as if you didn't already know, opens July 20th.

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  • July 7, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Too much

    by unkempt_sock

    Seriously, it comes out in like a week.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Yawn.......anyone else tired of all these damn TV spots and featurettes?

    by Punisherthunder

  • July 7, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST

    I'll save it for the blu-ray...

    by Mark Jones

    ... 13 minutes = definate spoilers ahoy.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Nord

    by puto tenax

    You made my day. This is gonna be good. Great time to be a geek. Oh, and you are right. You should not watch it.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by Hyphin

    This is too much. We didn't need this. I liked what I saw, but I didn't need this. Chris was talking about the olden days, where films relied on visuals for everything. Well, let's save these visuals for the night, Chris. Jeez.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST

    excellent

    by DementedCaver

  • July 7, 2012, 6:21 p.m. CST

    One of my favourite things...

    by Darth_Tarantino

    ...about the entire Nolan Batman trilogy is the use of practical effects and real stunts. Watch this video and you see how many real sets, real extras and real explosions are actually going on in this film! More films should be made this way, with less reliance on computer generated effects (which have their place, of course).

  • July 7, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST

    @ darth_tarantino

    by Mark Jones

    It's interesting because a lot of the CGI in Nolan's films are basically to obscure/erase the cameras and safety equipment which are being used in those brilliant practical effects. Best use of CGI in my opinion.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Well, I just saved 20 bucks......

    by theycallmemrtibbs

    just had the whole movie outlined for me. DAMN I AM A SUCKER FOR 13 min. featurettes!

  • July 7, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST

    wingkong85

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Absolutely. Like I said, it has its place and god knows it was used to great effect in LOTR but in combination with actual sets, locations and miniatures. It's not just a blue screen with actors in front of it. I always thought that the cafe scene in Inception was done with CGi. Turns out I was wrong! Saw a video the other day about how they shot that scene. Incredible. I've been a Batman fan since childhood and now I'm nearly 30 I still get a buzz of excitement about a new Batman film. Nolan's films have been the best to date, easily. And I look forward to the next iteration of Batman which I'd love to be closer to a live action version of The Animated Series, personally!

  • July 7, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST

    No spoilers in those 13 minutes

    by alienindisguise

  • July 7, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Not watching.

    by Yelsaeb

    Even though I desperately want to.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    @Alienindisguise

    by Hyphin

    Yah, there really are. I mean, hey, I'm not someone that's trying too hard to avoid them. I like a spoiler or two, actually. And I don't feel anything is RUINED. But honestly, we now know exactly how the film opens, and how it moves generally from then onwards. My brother would flip out and get depressed if he knew that shit before it opened. Just sayin'.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST

    franken

    by Darth_Tarantino

    I don't agree mate. Some of the action sequences look astounding from what we've seen. The car/truck chase from TDK was impressive and I really enjoyed the main action sequence from Inception. True, his style is a little clunky at times and his real strength as a director is grand visuals as opposed to finally honed action set pieces. But I think as he does more films he's getting better and better at those. Looking at some of the footage from TDKR you can see quite clearly that the action sequences are not directed by the same guy who directed the muddled, incoherent action sequences in Batman Begins! He's come on leaps and bounds. And, of course, the action is only there to get your heart racing. The real gem of the Batman trilogy under Nolan has been the characters and their interactions. Ra's training Bruce, TDK's interogation scene, Alfred's wisdom, all the little moments like that.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST

    no spoilers in this.

    by saint seiya

    just watched it and there are no spoilers.

  • July 7, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST

    franken

    by Darth_Tarantino

    As an action sequence, it works for me as an audience member. Whether or not it is considered professionally or technically proficient is not as important as the reaction it creates for the viewer. That's just my opinion, though. If I'd watched it and felt it was sloppy, not engaging enough or just downright boring, then I would probably be in the same camp as you. But it's never come across that way to me. Not a question of "enlightenment" mate, just a matter of opinion :)

  • July 7, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    gettingeven

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Well I suppose there's a good chance that The Joker's role in TDKR would not have been that large. It stands to reason that the chief villain of the previous film would probably not be used as the chief villain a second time around. We can only speculate what his role would actually have been, but lots of people seem to agree that we'd have seen The Joker entombed in Arkham and little else. Once Nolan decided he wanted to return for one final Batman outing, it was inevitable that he'd decide to up the ante and make the villain someone capable of taking on Batman both physically and mentally, which naturally leads you to a character like Bane. It is a shame that we'll get no more Joker in this iteration of Batman, but then it's also a shame that we won't get to see Ledger's other performances in other films. Glad we got to see him as The Joker at all, especially as I was one of the people who didn't think he could pull it off and was happy to be proved wrong!

  • July 7, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST

    franken

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Watching it now mate.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST

    I don't care much for the convoy scene in TDK

    by Scorchy

    But that was mainly because I didn't find it nearly intense enough. ....but that criticism video of it is INCREDIBLY nitpicky. Some of the stuff - like pointing out different numbers of police cars - is okay, but I also understand that when they shoot movies they're going to have tons of scenes shot from different angles and inconsistencies will occur. The whole "We don't know where Harvey Dent is sitting!" aspect is just bonkers in its micro-analysis.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Awesome!

    by Cruzboy

    I'm psyched! Probably more psyched to see Hardy as Bane than I was to see Ledger as The Joker.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Nordling, too bad you didn't watch...

    by Reynard Muldrake

    ...there's a deleted scene w/ Heath's Joker at the end of the featurette that brings the whole trilogy full circle. <p> Funny enough, watching this was a.) not spoilery as already noted and b.) got me *more* psyched for the movie than any of the trailers - only one of which really turned me on. I actually left watching this ready to put in BB and TDK to really get prepped. Thanks, Chris! <p> P.S. The bit from Nolan about going back to the silent era where everything had to be visual and still make sense and wanting to capture that for this film...a roundabout way of promising that the action will continue to make more sense than BB? Or a hilarious unintentional obtuseness on his part? <p> July 20, take me now.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST

    franken

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Okay, so I watched the video you gave me the link to. It's very well constructed and the guy making it brings up perfectly valid points, at least from the perspective of an editor. But quite a lot of the things he points out are things I would never and have never noticed when watching the scene. And now that I've had them pointed out to me it still doesn't take away my enjoyment of the scene. Thanks for linking it though, it's an interesting video and gives you a good view into the world of film editing. I especially liked the stuff on "spatial physics" in film. I take your point though; Nolan isn't one of the world's greatest action directors. Either that or he doesn't work closely with his editor. Or maybe even both! Whatever the case, I stand by my point that the glimpses of action for TDKR that we've seen lead me to believe that he's improved on some level.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST

    We're gonna need a MONTAAAAGE!!!

    by fauns_bass_1

    ...when Bruce Wayne gets his shit together to be Batman again...

  • July 7, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST

    @fauns_bass_1

    by Reynard Muldrake

    Actually, rather than a montage they're just going to splice in all of the Batman-prep from Batman Begins and hope we don't notice, heh.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Which one is the red herring?

    by Reynard Muldrake

    There were all the press screenings last night - Apparently one broke down after an hour (the imax sound/picture fucked up) and another one got a standing ovation. Which one is the right movie?!

  • July 7, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST

    fauns_bass_1

    by Darth_Tarantino

    Even Rocky had a montage...

  • Great to see it confirmed that amazing airplane stunt sequence from the prologue WAS practical location/stunt work and not CGI. I remember seeing it in front of MI:GP and thinking 'wow! it looks like they just ACTUALLY did this!'

  • July 7, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Nolan's action directing

    by Rebel Scumb

    I've never had the issue with it most people do, I actually really like the way it's handled in Batman Begins, because they took the approach (at least I've always seen it this way) of it being like a horror movie, only the monster is Batman, so the action is shown the way the thugs and henchmen perceive Batman to be, with a lot of unknowns and things left to the imagination, which fits into the whole fear motif they had going through that movie. And the tower sequence at the end of TDK where batman takes down all the swat guys is one of my favortite action scenes of all time. I agree some of the shootouts in Inception were a bit clunky, but overall I would never have considered there to be an issue with Nolan's action scenes if not for all the internet backlash against them.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    you wuh ash pweshus t'me ash yuh oh musha and fasha..

    by zom-bot.com

  • July 7, 2012, 7:51 p.m. CST

    now I'm starting to get hyped

    by misnomer

    ...so much more excited for this than A-SM, and i'm more of a Spidey fan. I'm glad this is being treated as a conclusion, eight years have passed since TDK...it looks really cool.

  • July 7, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST

    @rebel scumb RE: action

    by Reynard Muldrake

    great points re: BB...I see it in a new light - more excited to revisit with that context in mind

  • Bummer.

  • July 7, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST

    There aren't any spoilers in this

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    People worried about that need to calm down. There might be 30 seconds of new footage, tops, and no new information other than what has already been disclosed on the Internet.

  • July 7, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Nolan just has a unique way of shooting his action, it's not 'wrong'

    by performingmonkey

    Do people want him to Bay it up or something?? His action fits within his universe and tone.

  • July 7, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST

    ?

    by Daniel

    Don't know much about bane...does he ever take off his mask?

  • July 7, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST

    fracking amazing... can't wait can't wait......

    by Richard L. Rhodes

  • July 7, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Don't give excuses for Nolan's bad action directions...

    by CodeName

    Look at Bane's spin punch at frame 1:02. That gave Batman more than enough time to a) dodge/block, or b) strike. If Bane did not want to leave himself open like that, he should have moved outside to the right (assuming Batman is right-handed), and thrown a right hook to Bat's jaw. Boxing 101. Why jump and spin at the chance of losing your balance and target? Oh yeah, it's Nolan directing. Having said all that, I do admire the epic scale of production on this movie.

  • July 7, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Already have tickets to the midnight show.

    by Snookeroo

    Good thing I got them when I did; tickets are already sold out!

  • July 7, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    EMMA THOMAS, WILL YOU PRODUCE MY CHILDREN???

    by MARCEL_THE_NEGRO_PROJECTIONIST

    And she's got the British accent! She could play an older Kate Middleton in the Kate Middleton Chronicles in about five years.

  • July 7, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Correction on my part

    by CodeName

    "Moved outside to the left and throw a left hook." I had southpaw fighters in mind at the time of writing that.

  • July 7, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Man, the fighting sucks.

    by CodeName

  • July 7, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    FUCK!!!! donotwatchdonotwatchdonotwatch

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • July 7, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST

    i'm driving 90 miles to see the trilogy in the theater...

    by Noddy93

    and haven't been this excited about the movies since I caught the LOTR trilogy in austin... i still clearly remember Harry blatantly trying to impress people with some new cell phone thing he had. Yes Harry... we all saw your phone, we just didn't give two tits about it.

  • July 7, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Nolan's Action Directing…

    by time2323

    isn't the strength of his movies. That said, he still manages to make very good genre films because he values other aspects such as character, tone, and story. And I will take that all day any day over Bayified garbage.

  • July 7, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST

    codename

    by Rebel Scumb

    Well I'm not a boxing/karate expert of any kind, I don't really consider the choreography on the level of detail you mentioned, more just in terms of how the fights serve the story, that's why movies like Attack of the Clones and Matrix reloaded bugged me (among their many other faults), because almost every fight/action scene in both movies was a stalemate or had no ramifications to the plot whatsoever You can edit almost every action scene out of both movies (or trim them down to their bare minimums) and nothing about the story is affected at all. In Nolan's films I always feel the action serves the story, or at the very least is presented in a grand and entertaining enough fashion on a cinematic level that I'm always entertained.

  • July 7, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST

    time2323

    by Rebel Scumb

    That's a good way of putting it. I don't think his movies have ever been ones where they were reliant on action, or the action was what I was really looking forward to going into the movies Sure it's a given with a batman movie there will be big action, but its the atmosphere and character stuff he brings, also the HUGE scope he's had with the batman trilogy and inception, plus the great casts he manages to put together that I find is the big draw, for me anyways. The atmosphere is probably the biggest thing though.

  • July 7, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    1:34 trademark Kubrickian shot

    by Ditko

    Come on Chris, get your own fucking style!

  • July 7, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Just kidding, tho.

    by Ditko

  • July 7, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Nolan's action...do you trolls know anything?

    by Jack Nash

    Seriously, I am so fucking tired of all of these idiots whining about how Nolan's action sucks. What in the holy fuck are you talking about? As compared to what? The great action in the Burton Bat films--where, in Returns, they filmed the entire thing on the WB soundstage in Burbank? Or how about Schumacher, with his razzle-dazzle busy bullshit that has no human component? What movies have you people been watching? The KFM martial arts sequences in BB and DK are full of power and character, the car chases are full of old-school, non-CGI, David Lean epic awesomeness...and look at the footage for TDKR...do you not see the cast of thousand plus extras all running down the street, Batman manning huge vehicles, explosions, staggeringly visual Batman/Bane mano-e-mano combat that is full of menace and brutality, no shaky cam...I mean what more do you people want? Do you have any idea how hard it is to stage these sequences in Nolan's films? How many months of 18-hour workdays and relentless preparation it takes? The scores of people involved? And all you're being asked to do is pay ten bucks to go see it and be entertained. If that's too much to ask, if you're too cool for school and think you could make these films better...even though you probably work at Dick's sporting goods or pump gas or play with yourself for a living...then don't see the film, don't watch these featurettes, and most importantly, shut the fuck up and stop ruining it for moviegoers who don't have their heads up their ass. And before anyone accuses me, I'm not some Nolan troll, I'm not 12-years-old, and I don't think I know it all...I'm just a moviegoer that has been thrilled by the intelligence and craft Nolan has brought to the Batman saga and thinks he is god damn talented and dedicated and deserves to not have to put up with stupid uninformed bullshit from people that have no clue what they're talking about and are probably just frustrated filmmakers. Do you realize how lucky we are to be treated to Batman films that have this kind of ambition, acting power, thematic weight and innovative plotting? What more do you want? Do you want to go back to Schumacher? The action in the Nolan Bat films are incredible. Incredible. They feel human and believable, they feel specific to the Batman character, they transcend the comic book genre...honestly, take a step back, stop talking and listen to what you're saying...do you honestly believe this crap you spew? Are you really THAT hard to please? And if you are, fuck off and die.

  • July 7, 2012, 11:05 p.m. CST

    @jacknash26... Well spoken

    by Benjamin Allen

    The David Lean comparison was paticularly apt.

  • July 7, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST

    jacknash26 you have my axe

    by P

  • Why not compare his convoy chase against something worthy, like the truck scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark, instead? Don't assume people that don't like Nolan's Batman prefer Burton's version. If I had to choose between the two, I'd choose neither.

  • Then Batman Returns proved it.

  • July 7, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST

    I have a feeling that...

    by spookymulder

    ... this last installment will have the best soundtrack of the bunch. That cue at 10:16 alone sounds awesome. #tdkr

  • July 8, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST

    "There's a storm coming" - overused, cliched garbage line

    by Mel

  • July 8, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Nolan should hire Bay as his action director.

    by AMchannelEpicwish@Youtube

    Just that nothing more. Nolan can edit the action so it's not incoherent.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Congrats epicwish

    by MotherPussBucket

    That's the funniest comment on this thread yet. BTW what was your point?

  • July 8, 2012, 12:28 a.m. CST

    JackNash hell yes

    by Castor Grayson

  • July 8, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST

    rebel scumb

    by CodeName

    No excuses, my friend. Tone and such can only carry me so far until I say, "what the heck was the choreographer thinking, when I'd be more than happy to help Nolan direct the fight scenes for FREE"? I feel that the Nolan/Bale team-up is more product and hype than truth of Bat's essence. Just look at Bale's performance as batman, do you buy it? I see Nolan's Batman as Bale acting well as bats, but nothing more. Bale is great when he is playing a meth-head, or a prisoner of war, but not as Bats. I don't buy him to save my city as a cosplayer. Nolan's batman is this; let's put Bale (a great actor), in a role where he can win, but let's give the audience desperation, but let's mask him in an iconic character that everyone knows and love, and let's just throw in a Bat plane, some bad guy(s), and Gordon with a contemporary script. That's how and what this feels like to me. Nolan is trying to be more, when the game developers, who made Arkham City, already beat him at his game.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST

    MOTHERFUCKER! I watched it!

    by Yelsaeb

    Jesus, this movie looks like the most epic thing ever! Goddamn! We really need more filmmakers like Nolan these days. Thank god not much was spoiled in that featurette. I'll probably appreciate the movie a lot more now.

  • Its gonna be awesome.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    say = so

    by Yelsaeb

  • July 8, 2012, 12:36 a.m. CST

    jacknash26

    by CodeName

    No excuses, 12-year-old boy. Us older guys, we look for the good stuff, but if you're willing to settle for less, then that's all on you. And yes, Burton's Batman does suck.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    nolan sucks at action sequences?

    by trumovielover

    Mr. Franken since Nolan doesn't seem to know how to film action sequences i'm sure you'll be kind to share with all of us your resume of Blockbuster Action sequences you've been so priviledged to direct and edit.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Some revei

    by trumovielover

  • July 8, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST

    uh huh

    by MarAlaTho

    Here's the thing. You and this editor guy think this shit matters, but Nolan knows that it doesn't. That's why he's a director and you're not.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Some reviews starting to show up online

    by trumovielover

    Saying that if this doesn't win best picture no comic book movie ever will. Also saying Hathaway does a pretty good job as well as Catwoman.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST

    respect 2 nolan for not CGI'ing the fuselage scene

    by frenetik1

  • July 8, 2012, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Nolan does suck at action scenes

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    He's not Bay bad, but his action sequences are still incomprehensible and dull as fuck. Big weak spot in all his movies, especially the Batman films and Inception.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST

    @jacknash26: FULLY AGREE

    by Glenn

    I'm not in the camp that action has to happen "fast" -- I'd much rather see "real" even in a comic book movie. It's why I appreciated the work in War of the Worlds, everything felt full of gravity and real-world movement even with heavy VFX. Nolan's definitely a mature filmmaker, he doesn't speed things up beyond physics just for those kids sucking on popsicles and suffering from ADD. Cars and vehicles and weapons have heft.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Anybody who thinks Burton's Batman is better than Nolan's Batman...

    by Queefer Sutherland

    ...needs to go suck a big fat poisoned dick. Burton's films were embarrassing camp. Michael Keaton was not at all convincing as a physical character. He has the presence of kelp. Jack Nicholson was not the obvious choice as the Joker, as so many people seem to think. He was too old and fat. The Batmobile was completely ludicrous, as was the Batplane. The stories sucked. The penguins looked stupid, you could tell they were actors in a suit. Catwoman is mystically brought back to life by a bunch of cats?!?!?!?!? And suddenly she's this angry bitch who knows martial arts? I could go on and on and on. Burton's films were drivel. And you assholes complain about Nolan's action scenes, when Tim Burton couldn't direct one to save his life. Ugh. The two that come after weren't any better, and that's quite the statement, when you consider how crappy Burton's films were. As imperfect as Nolan and Bale's Batman is, it's by far the best version we've been given thus far, without question. It just isn't arguable. Anybody who disagrees with that statement simply is an idiot. It's been proven, it's fact. Don't be an idiot.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST

    rumourd

    by CodeName

    Then explain to me why you accept Bane's jumping spin punch at the 1:02 mark in this featurette. If you can convince me, then.. I'm all yours. I doubt it, bro.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Tired?

    by rono

    NO.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    If Heath had lived....

    by rono

    They story may eventually come out. Sadly, they couldn't do out of respect, so maybe a better movie emerged from the situation.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:44 a.m. CST

    what if wayne enterprises lost it all by jp morgan

    by animas

    would batman ride a horse?

  • July 8, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST

    spoiler here......

    by corplhicks

    bridge destruction timing changed-- now both bridges explode at same time. Also, want to see this more than ever !

  • July 8, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST

    jacknash26 - great rant, well said

    by Tim

  • July 8, 2012, 1:50 a.m. CST

    TURD, I agree.

    by uberfreak

  • July 8, 2012, 1:53 a.m. CST

    At 2:30.....(?spoiler)

    by corplhicks

    looks almost as if a few bullets explode on or around Bane-- as if he has a force field that destroys bullets. Anyone have idea about this moment in the clip?

  • July 8, 2012, 1:56 a.m. CST

    bruce wayne losing all his money would be a good story

    by animas

    I'm not familiar with the comics, but I wonder if they ever explored that.... Would he still be a raging douchebag if he was homeless?

  • July 8, 2012, 1:59 a.m. CST

    jacknash26 I love you

    by Queefer Sutherland

    But the idiots will never understand.

  • July 8, 2012, 2:05 a.m. CST

    This may be the greatest movie of all time!

    by TheMcflyFarm

  • July 8, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST

    jacknash26

    by corplhicks

    I've written stuff like what you wrote a thousand times on this site-- these whiny pussies are NEVER, EVER EVER happy. Maybe they do want the Schumaker campy goofy, silly Batman or some other childish crap. The fact is, Nolan's films are intelligent, visually rich, thematically well thought out very superior films. He deserves accolades.

  • July 8, 2012, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Awesome Featurette!

    by CHRISTIAN_BALE_TRASHED_MY_LIGHTS

    I'm even more excited for this movie now. Which is surprising because I was already incredibly excited!

  • July 8, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Dear Codename:

    by Glenn

    Gotta see the shot in context, within the scene, within the actual movie, and not as part of a trailer/featurette. We don't know if those two shots are even contiguous in the film. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about that lame kick Catwoman does in that quiet trailer from a month ago. Looked straight out of the tv show... But really, if you're asking me to focus on some bit of minutiae like "look at 1:02" -- a shot that lasts around a second -- then let's talk after the film comes out.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:48 a.m. CST

    That punch at 1:02

    by Queefer Sutherland

    Looks better than a lame real punch would look. This is a movie punch, because THIS IS A MOVIE. And a villain like Bane is not about to sidestep and give Batman a crummy little boxing punch. Movies are THEATRICAL. The character Bane is big, menacing, his moves have to be big and menacing. Besides, seeing something for a split second and then pretending to be a fight expert and analyzing it is, well, ANAL. Choosing THAT tiny split second and dissecting it to prove something that only you believe is also a kind of weird, mentally ill thing. Somebody out there didn't have a very good childhood.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Dear Codename #2

    by Glenn

    I read all your responses above. You seem very focused on the fighting, have disdain for the action, are dismissive of Bale, and feel hatred for Alfred's emo qualities. What's wrong with Alfred being the emotional core of the films? Caine had me kinda teary-eyed 20mins into Batman Begins; now that's good acting/writing. I'm a little fed up with the macho stance toward filmmaking of late. I'd like to know which films do it for you? Maybe I'm wrong, but it's emotion that's sorely lacking in Hollywood filmmaking for the last 20 years, but Nolan understands that it's essential to creating a compact with your audience. Compassion and caring, along with excitement, is necessary. Dunno about you, but they CAN co-exist, otherwise the ending of Back to the Future wouldn't mean a damn thing to anyone...

  • July 8, 2012, 3:54 a.m. CST

    @queefer sutherland, "that punch at "1:02"

    by Glenn

    I'm glad you made the leap and said something. I try to avoid using language that'll get the strange ones all incendiary and such, but you took the words right outta my mind.

  • July 8, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Where's the guy who says, "Hello all good buddies"?

    by Pat

    That's the kind of refreshment needed here right now. That and an honest to goodness damn fine sweet corn tamale. Mmmmmm. Can't wait to see Batman!

  • I can proclaim this, not because I'm married to a model (I'm single) but because I used to complain about Nolan action scenes. The action shown thus far is pretty cool. If Batman has time to dodge but doesn't, just let it go. The bigger thing that I wonder might be holding Nolan back just a smidge (and, believe me, I think TDKR will be a masterwork and the only superhero movie that matters) is Goyer. I thought Inception without Goyer had the strongest dialogue of all the Nolan movies. I don't know, but the standing ovation is promising. I'm broke but am gonna try to see this in IMAX.

  • July 8, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    @rumourd tears

    by UndisputedVipers

    To me, the emotions are ones that are utterly justifiable, and stem from bonds that are between two very masculine men. Now, whininess - crying because a chick broke up with you - is unacceptable in this kind of movie. Melancholy is something I don't believe Nolan is aiming for. Perhaps a truly bleak, very dark superhero movie will be made from famous characters, but I don't think this is it one bit. It seems to me he kinda organically made each movie, not ever planning to do three, and - whether Bruce lives or dies - the story follows his dad Thomas' "Why do we fall? So we can learn to pick ourselves up again" philosophy as a metaphor. When finally confronted with an evil that does not have reasonable or easily detectable motivations by which to project each move, Batman loses those he loves and is exiled. In this movie, he picks himself back up again.

  • July 8, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Hey everyone! Havinb a great morning, I hope!

    by gotilk

    There. Now back to your fuckery.

  • July 8, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    @epicwish The Dark Knight Rises, a film by Michael Bay

    by UndisputedVipers

    There would be long, lingering shots of Catwoman bending over. Bane would get Batman in a submission hold so he could fart on his face. In the grand finale, Batman decides to sacrifice himself by detonating Bane's bomb in outer space. He gets on a live feed to tell Robin goodbye and to take care of Talia Ah Ghul for him. "And I don't want to miss a thing..." *credits roll*

  • July 8, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Or having.

    by gotilk

    Either way works if you read it fast enough. Oh wait.. oops.. that's bad action. Doesn't work as well with typos, does it? Oh well.

  • Will Man of Steel feel more like a Nolan movie or more like a Snyder one? I can promise it won't be a garbage movie with Nolan's name on it. Whether it holds well in its subsequent weekends is unsure, but WB will be using Nolan's name in the marketing and that name will gross the movie $175m opening week, easy.

  • What philosophical messages about the human condition will Nolan explore, if any, in the Dark Knight Rises? Batman Begins explored the virtues of revenge vs. justice, man vs. myth, individual debauchery vs. corporal debauchery. The Prestige told how human beings often would rather have an illusion than know the truth, that we'll take what we want, even if it's not the truth The Dark Knight plummets you into the Joker's belief that the only law in the universe was chance, and he - in a weird way - seemed to want others to agree with him, particularly Harvey Dent, so he could show that any man could be corrupted and Inception is a movie where people seemingly get what they want and are not happy. Beyond the constant threat of feigned suicide, the movie has much darker elements like a protagonist who risks to his friends a horrifying fate without telling them, and the overall point of their mission, lying to a man who was mistreated by his father, imbuing upon him that his father actually loved him. I guess that again goes back to what we need vs. what is reality. The same goes for The Dark Knight to an extent. Bruce says Batman will be what Gotham needs him to be.

  • Once the costume was significantly revised by the next film, the editing improved along with it. Coincidence? Not likely. And as far as the chase scenes go, they've been solid in both Batman flicks, and Inception. So Nolan does well enough with action IMO.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:23 a.m. CST

    codename

    by Rebel Scumb

    It's not an excuse, like I said before it would never have occurred to me that anyone would have a problem with the Nolan batfilms much less the action if not for all the internet complaints I've seen. I found BB and TDK thrilling movie going expirences both in the theatre and at home. There was never a point where the choreography entered into my head. It's not that either movie is perfect, I think in BB there's a really weird edit when Ras is training Bruce, and he breaks the ice for Bruce to fall in the frozen water, then there's a really jarring cut of them sitting around a camp fire, in the theatre this cut was where the reel change was to, so it made it extra jarring. But there needed to be an extra few seconds of seeing Bruce going under, probably a shot from under the water showing him submerge then resurface, before cutting to the fire. In terms of the action though I've always enjoyed it and never taken any issue with it.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST

    codename cont'd

    by Rebel Scumb

    Regarding Bale as Batman, i think he's fine. In BB it's the first time where Bruce Wayne was the most interesting character in a batman movie, I think he's been a good choice. I do like the Arkham games a lot to, they seem to pull the best elements from the Nolan films, the early 1990s cartoon and the comics for a great blend.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:31 a.m. CST

    Nolan's action editing isn't perfect but

    by Steve Lamarre

    He makes up for it in a lot of ways. In someone else's hands we could have been seeing a lot of Batman wire-fu. No thanks. I like that Nolan isn't afraid to bring dark story elements into his films. And he doesn't wrap his films up with happy endings. His films are not traditional or cliche action films. Some of it works, some doesn't, but he's found his own niche and it's damn interesting. I think if he was able to make his stories more emotional to balance the clinical side of things I'd be a bit happier.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:33 a.m. CST

    codename re: your question to rumored re: spinpunch

    by Rebel Scumb

    I can't speak for rumored, but personally, as I said before knowing nothing about boxing/mixed martial arts I have no idea what the 'right moves' are in a fight, nor do I think it makes much of a difference in the context of a movie.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST

    I have to wait until July 27th, the agony

    by centilope

    All this waiting is truly agonizing, but everything seems to indicate it'll be totally worth it. I'd happily see this in IMAX if it wasn't so far away from my home. I wish Nolan would convince other filmmakers and suits to drop the 3D bullshit and invest in smaller IMAX cameras that aren't so loud and heavy and more IMAX cinemas. We should let the suits know the audience wants this, and that they will get shitloads of money in return.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:45 a.m. CST

    freeman_lowell

    by Rebel Scumb

    That's a good way of putting it. In a world of Michael Bays, Brett Ratners, JJ Abrams, etc etc, it's reassuring to know there is at least one director out there who regularly releases big Summer blockbusters that: 1) Are well received by audiences/make a lot of money, thus giving them clout and influence 2) Are also well received by critics 3) Actively push against the over use of CGI, and promote a return to traditional movie making magic 4) Actively pushing back against 3D 5) Doesn't aim his movies at the lowest common denominator There are plenty of other great directors working today, I would never suggest Nolan is the only good one, but what sets him apart is that he is in there battling the Bays and Abrams during the Summer when movie IQs are at there all time lowest, and he's WINNING! We need the Finchers, and PT Andersons, and Wes Andersons, and Coen bros, and tarantinos as well, but these guys are all making movies for a different audience, at a different time of year, prestige flicks, which have not really seen the fall off of quality over the past 20 years that Summer blockbusters have.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:46 a.m. CST

    I'm going to the first matinee on saturday the 21st

    by Rebel Scumb

    More out of nostalgia then anything else, because thats when me and my friends saw TDK 4 years ago, we'll be going to the same IMAX in Toronto as well. Wouldn't dream of seeing this film in any other way than IMAX

  • July 8, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I can't take the term 'overrated' seriously anymore

    by Rebel Scumb

    the internet and perhaps AICN talkbackers specifically have ruined that word. It seems silly to assess something not based on your reaction, but based on the contrast of your reaction to other peoples.

  • July 8, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST

    franken

    by Rebel Scumb

    Your standard for lowest common denominator is quite a bit higher than the actual low levels that cinema is aiming for these days. Having a movie with a complex premise incorporate a 'luke/harry potter/frodo' type audience surrogate as a vehicle for exposition may be a traditional, and perhaps overused device, but it's also a classic of story telling for a reason. Is Inception the most intellgient complex mind twisting movie ever made? No of course not, but as Summer action flicks go at least it was ambitious, and based around ideas and wanted people to leave the theatre debating and asking questions. I'm not stacking it up against something like 'there will be blood' or 'the thin red line', but again in the arena in which Nolan is competing in, the Summer blockbuster market it was definitely refreshing and step up from the Transformers, Pirates and other terrible excuses for big movies that are out there today.

  • As opposed to wasting time trying to ruin the expirence for others. If I were you, I wouldn't bother seeing the movie, or any other Nolan movies, and I wouldn't waste any time going on and on about them. If you haven't like the first 2, or Inception you aren't going to like this one either. Save your $17, save 3 hours of your time, take your time and money and do something constructive with it instead.

  • July 8, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST

    *screenplay (singular)

    by jawsfan

  • July 8, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Don't bother responding to trolls, rebel scumb

    by centilope

    Same goes for all of you (those of you who are not trolls that is)

  • A few more posts and we can beat Pacific Rim. We can do it, fellas.

  • July 8, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST

    I guess you're right centilope

    by Rebel Scumb

  • I'm thinking that must be young Bane in a flashback, if memory serves the characters backstory WAS that he was born in a 3rd world prison or something right? I like what nolan said about we will slowly gain Bane's backstory through the course of the movie

  • July 8, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Wondering what team RCM is

    by JorEl214

    that's playing against the Gotham Rogues

  • You a troll because you keep pushing it on people and acting like it's fact, instead of it just being your opinion. Your actions make you a troll, not your opinion on Nolan.

  • July 8, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Doing it for real!

    by Kakii

    I love the fact that theres hardly any CGI in Nolans trilogy, it is real filmaking, some films cant be done without it like The Avengers or Transformers, but when they can, they should be done for real. We were promised the same for Indy 4 and that never happened which is why it turned out so shit, CGI actually ruined that film, never mind the story! i applaud Nolan for making films like this and any other director who does the same, CGI is abused and an easy cop out at times.

  • July 8, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST

    I like Nolan's films. AND I think he's a shit action director.

    by StarWarsRedux

    The vehicular chase sequences from BB and TDK are okay-ish, but even those fall apart if you look too closely at them. The one on one fights, however, are so sloppiliy done it's ridiculous. <p> <p>Again, I enjoy his movies. But they're not the end all be all, and he has very definite weaknesses. Sadly, they all appear to be central facets of the blockbuster movie vocabulary, which wouldn't be such a bad thing if he didn't insist on making blockbuster movies.

  • July 8, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Awesome!!

    by quadrupletree

    Can't wait to see this one!

  • July 8, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I Propose a new rule for all talkbacks.

    by inflatablebombshelter

    After every aicn post, Quint, Capone, Harry, or whoever should include a brief description of the fundamentals of debate and logic. If more talkbackers had the vaguest concept of ad hominem, confirmation bias, and similar logical fallacies, we might be able to have an honest discussion about the merits of Nolan's vision of Batman. As it is, from reading this talkback Christopher Nolan is apparently either the greatest or worst film director in history, and I can't tell which.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    inflatablebombshelter

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'd second that suggestion! It seems silly that the only options on the table anymore seem to be 'the worst piece of shit ever' or 'so perfect it made me cum'

  • July 8, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Yup, I still can't believe how lucky we are

    by centilope

    A truly great director, such a great cast and such an unbelievably talented crew is behind these Batman movies and they have a huge budget and almost no restrictions to their vision. So many Oscar winners, nominees, and surely soon to be winners and nominees are involved in making these films, giving all they've got, creating something truly special, treating the source material with respect, just trying to make the best movie they can, and succeeding at it, uniting audiences and critics. Now THAT is something truly AMAZING.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:24 p.m. CST

    @Undisputedvipers If you're still here.

    by inflatablebombshelter

    As far as the philosophical themes Nolan will explore in the Dark Knight Rises, a bit of it seems clear to me from the very premise of the movie. This may somewhat reductive thinking, but it seems most of Nolan's films have hinged, more than anything, on the interplay between perception, belief, and truth. Warning, spoilers for Nolan's ouvre ahead. Memento: Guy Pearce ultimately decides that he is better off choosing to lie to himself and continue the hunt for any John G. Insomnia: Al Pacino urges Hilary Swank to keep the evidence that reveals Pacino killed his partner, when destroying the evidence would likely keep a number of criminals off the streets who Pacino arrested, at a personal ethical cost for those involved with the lie. Ultimately, Swank holds on to the evidence. Batman Begins: The key to Bruce Wayne becoming Batman is being seen as "More than just a man," becoming a intimidating legend that ultimately matter more than the strong guy in the black suit beating up bad guys. The Prestige: I don't even have time to get into this. This movie from beginning to end is about what's real, what's fake, and the cost of knowing which is which. Inception: Once again these specific themes are paramount throughout the movie, with the ambiguous ending that seems to suggest that whether final scene is real or a dream, DiCaprio's belief that it is real, and the love he has for his children seeing them again is real. It up to us to decide if it's "real" or not, and whether it even matters if it is. The Dark Knight: The end of this movie takes Nolan's philosophies about truth and sets them up on an epic scale. By sacrificing the image of Batman, a lie is constructed that an entire city buys into. Now, looking forward to the Dark Knight Rises, much is made of how over the 8 intervening years crime has dropped massively, largely based on public perception and government action based on Gordon and Batman's lie. Now, the interesting thing about the Dark Knight Rises is, for the first time, Nolan seems to be thematically confronting whether a false belief that appears to do good is better than the truth. His past films were often ambiguous about this and asked the viewer to draw their own conclusions, but TDKR posits a direct Good vs. Evil conflict in which the long term effects of the Harvey Dent lie are a major part of what brings about a major societal destabilization in Gotham. For the first time it looks like Nolan may be telling the audience that a hard truth is truly better than a comforting lie, rather than just analyzing the two.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST

    But didn't you know?

    by spookymulder

    Nolan "can't direct action scenes". Hard to get excited about this film when so many better movie directors are here on the talkbacks letting us know as much. Many of them can direct a better action scene from their mom's basement, where I'm sure they're at as I write this.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    great post inflatable

    by Rebel Scumb

  • July 8, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Marvel deserves lots of praise as well

    by centilope

    Who would have thought their long term plan would be such a success. Who honestly thought the Avengers would be this great and that we would even get a Avengers movie. Hell, the Hulk movie tanked, Norton was sacked which could have ruined everything, but didn't after all. Ruffalo AND Hulk both stole the show. The Thor, Cap movies could have tanked, lots of people thought they would, but here we are, more than a billion dollars later. That's just awesome. Oh yeah, the new DC logo is awful.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST

    nolan haters

    by JAMF

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • July 8, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST

    franken

    by centilope

    I assume you mean this guy Jim Emerson, who attempted to deconstruct one of the action scenes in TDK. Here's a response to his analysis by a guy named Joseph Kahn. http://josephkahn.blogspot.com/2011/09/analyzing-action.html

  • July 8, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST

    That video doesn't make it fact that the scene isn't good.

    by Randy

    It actually means absolutely nothing, just that he raises some good points, but nothing he says makes the scene factually badly directed. A professional editor edited those scenes together, so it's not having another one come in and say that makes any sense. Also, someone posted a responce here that shows the many flaws in what Emerson says and he nitpicks many details. So yes you are trolling, because you are still acting like you posting things like this makes what you feel is fact. Anybody can break down a scene at point out flaws or what's great about it scene, it doesn't mean that people can't have an opinion and like the scene. So stop trolling.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST

    As soon as I heard the "storm is coming" line i was turned off

    by donkey_lasher

    I've heard it used so often now. Was it ripped from Doctor Who? The Dark Knight was overrated IMO based on Heaths performance and passing (he WAS great in it though) It's a good movie, don't get me wrong, but no classic. Oh, and Re: Batman Returns, on release, the film made a ton of money, and if you remember, it was critically praised. If Rotten Tomatos was around back then, it would have a higher critic score.

  • July 8, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST

    editing

    by patrick wilson

    speaking of TDK chase sequence, i remember at the time thinking the editing was strange. i also remember thinking that every utterance of the cop next to gordon should have been cut!

  • July 8, 2012, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns actually underperformed at the boxoffice.

    by Randy

    It had a huge opening weekend, but it's final gross was much lower than Batman 89, it made 266 million worldwide and Batman did 411 million worldwide. It made money and all, but it was certainly considered a big disappointment for the studio and everyone involved.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Then again, everyone loved Batman Forever

    by donkey_lasher

    Because it was a little like the fun 60's Tv show. Opinions certainly change over time.

  • You pretty much proved my point by using the Michael Bay example, this guy being a professional editor doesn't make that scene bad. It just means THAT HE THINKS SO and shows some of his points in a video, that's all that it means and nothing more. It's not fact at all, it's just him saying he thinks those things are important and poorly edited, but not that it's the only way to feel about that scene or the editing. Scorsese could tell me that Battlefield Earth is well directed and mean it, I wouldn't agree with him, but it's his right to think so. Also, you are trying to use that video and one scene as an example saying that Nolan is a bad action director. How about the hallway scene in inception?You have a video for that?

  • July 8, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Well, there is really no winning with you.

    by Randy

    Someone made a responce that explains plenty of flaws with what Emerson says, so it's just an endless back and forth. Just because he points out some technical flaws that literally almost every film has, you take that as a point to say Nolan is a bad action director. You take one scene to make a strict decision of all of Nolans career and act like an ass about this film coming out. Someone was posting joy about how excited they were for the practical effects, and you just yell like a jerk that Nolan can't direct action for shit. Your attitude was shit, you are being overly negative and you were called a troll for this, not for having a different opinion. If you had come in here with some grace and said the things you did, fine, but you acted like an extreme hater just to cause problems on the thread. Mission accomplished, I pretty much wasted a bung of time replying to you and your original trolling.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    it's not a fact, it's just an opinion you and the editor share

    by Rebel Scumb

    The editors opinion could even be considered an 'expert opinion' but as has already been pointed out, experts put the scene together itself, so how is their opinion any more valid. Many people like the movie, and that scene, it's a shame you found it confusing, but that isn't anyone else's problem.

  • July 8, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST

    'he was never supposed to be an action director...'

    by Rebel Scumb

    It wasn't his destiny then? The timeline got derailed somehow and now we're living in a screwed up version of history where somehow Nolan evaded fate and became an action director, even though he was never supposed to be?

  • July 8, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Franken is a perfect example of a troll.

    by Randy

    Seen on almost every message board.

  • That comment makes no sense, and I made the response I did to point out that you seem to have a very skewed view of reality, where things that do not conform to your version of 'facts' and 'truth' and how things are 'supposed to be' are therefore 'wrong'.

  • July 8, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Standing ovation at first screening

    by trumovielover

    Words used from people at screening "awesome" "crying" "speechless"

  • July 8, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Guys.

    by inflatablebombshelter

    You're not gonna get through to each other.

  • July 8, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Indy 4 got a standing ovation at Cannes

    by centilope

    Supposedly. So that doesn't mean anything. Basicly the best reaction/review is our own when we finally get to see the movie (duh, Cpt. Obvious reporting in) No reviewer anywhere can really be fully trusted. Every one of them gave a bad review to a great film and a good review to a turd. Everything does point to the movie being great and maybe even surpassing TDK in it's greatness. It really does have a chance to do so. Fingers crossed. Damn, I really want to see this movie in IMAX, it would be my first REAL Imax movie, and not one of those 40 minute ones like the dinosaur or the underwater one I saw as a kid. Is the experience really worth it? Could you guys describe it or something?

  • July 8, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST

    franken

    by positivelySlime

    Learn how to press the space bar after you finish a sentence, you twat.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Batman owns the night, we own the top talkbacks

    by centilope

  • July 8, 2012, 3:10 p.m. CST

    So he kinda owns that too

    by centilope

  • July 8, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST

    centilope, re: IMAX

    by Rebel Scumb

    I think it is well worth the money/travel time to see it in IMAX, the 2 best movie going expirences I've had of the past 5 years are TDK and M:I-GP, which is not to say they were the best 2 movies of the last 5 years, but as a cinemagoing expirence they were. I'm not a fan of 3D at all, I purposely will avoid 3D showings of new movies and look for the 2D ones, thankfully all my friends are on the same page about that. We all agree that true-IMAX achieves what 3D promises but fails (in my opinion) to deliver, which is a fully immersive movie expirence Aside from the dizzyingly big screen, and superior sound set up, the fact that the film is shot at such a higher resolution just also gives it an astoundingly detailed picture. a few caveats: -If you got to an IMAX screen, go VERY early to ensure you can get seats in the middle, this is pretty paramount in my opinion, I would not want to be stuck off to the side, or down front or too far back in a theatre that big and round. -Make sure its a true IMAX theatre and not the so called 'lie-MAX', I've never been to one of those but I'm told you're basiclaly paying extra but not getting the IMAX expirence Hell, just seeing the 6 minute prologue for TDKR infront of M:I4 felt worth the price of admission. I have a 60" tv at home with surround sound, and I find, especially since a lot of theatres have switched to shitty digital projectors that there are very few films that are worth the time and money to go out to the theatre for anymore since I've got such a nice set up at home. But the IMAX films, I mean the ones like TDKR that have sequences shot on the IMAX cameras bring me back to the epic scope I use to feel when going to the movies as a kid or teen, and seeing something like Jurassic Park, because back then the home video option was my 20" tube TV with mono sound watching a VHS tape. What I mean is, IMAX to me feels as far a step above normal movies, as normal theatres feel to home video. So if there is one even remotely in your area I would go! Especially because this is the last Nolan one, and it's just as likely whoever does the reboot will be all about CGI and 3D, and not bother with IMAX.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST

    I hope for Nolan's next film

    by Rebel Scumb

    he does a big space/scifi movie, and continues to use the IMAX cameras. It would be awesome to have a Nolan film in the vein of 2001:a space odyssey shot on Imax and using mostly practical sets and models.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Thanks a lot, rebel scumb. You convinced me.

    by centilope

  • July 8, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Your welcome!

    by Rebel Scumb

    You'll have to let me know what you think! I really wish the studios were pushing IMAX the way they are pushing 3D, obviously the average character piece or rom-com doesn't need it but something like The Avengers, or Prometheus, or Fast Five, or a Bond flick would awesome to have it's action scenes on the Imax cameras/screens.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    The Inception hallway fight was inspired by some part of 2001

    by centilope

    Wally Pfister said his dad took him to see 2001 and that got him into filmaking, that and peeking through the bushes while a Burt Reynolds movie was being filmed. But a whole movie inspired by 2001 would be amazing.

  • July 8, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Traditional IMAX will be dead by the time of Nolan's next film

    by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy

    Even the true, large-scale IMAX theaters are getting their film projectors replaced by digital ones.

  • July 8, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST

    @inflatablebombshelter

    by UndisputedVipers

    Yes, and it would be completely consistent with what the director has said about getting resolution with this film. After 8 years of a comfortable lie, Gotham again plunges into chaos again. Nolan wants to provide a definitive end, an ultimate conclusion. The truth is, even if he's finally telling us WHAT to think (and not just TO think), we still hold our (limited?) free will?

  • July 8, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST

    @franken Inception's transparency

    by UndisputedVipers

    (SPOILERS) The movie was as much about playing with our own conventions on dreams and trying to transport us with visuals and music into a fascinating journey into subconscious as it was telling a heist story. Nolan's dream rules are clearly laid out, but I still found the dynamics (gravity, forgery, communally-shared subconscious projections like Mal, the dream becoming the reality, designed levels, trained subconscious) to be actually practical obstacles and assets to their journey instead of objects of convenience to extend the plot. Even if Nolan was unabashed in explaining everything, the dynamics themselves along with the vistas of the film gave me a rewarding trip.

  • July 8, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST

    4 words: hell yes and shut up

    by Anthony Torchia

    I had nothing spoiled by watching this and my enthusiasm increased, if that's possible Nolan is a great writer/director who creates decent action scenes in outstanding films Brad Bird is a better action director, so what? Greatness doesn't require mastery of all aspects of film end of line

  • July 8, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST

    the fight scenes

    by bongo dummy

    The suit is always a big limitation. Blame casting Michael Keaton in the first one for that. It might look cool that those suits look like an oversized prototype for the eventual toy action figure but they can't be practical to wear or to move around in. The CG in Iron Man allowed that clunky thing to move convincingly, like it was needed to move things along. But, the Batman suit really limits the character. On the first run of Batman movies, I only saw the two Burton ones. So, I only saw clips and stills from the other ones and it looked ridiculous then and in the Nolan films, it still looks ridiculous to have what looks like skin-tight body armor. In the comics or the animated cartoons, I guess Batman and other superheroes who wear suits like his wear spandex or longjohns and can move around like ninjas without their outerundies bunching up on them. A big blame for the fight scenes in Batman movies has to be in small part because of the suits, and by extension, the actors who wear them not being anything close to action hero types. Maybe the stunt people can pull of the coolness of comic book fights but obviously that hasn't happened in Batman films. That's forgivable in my opinion. But, really, everything about Nolan's Batman screams that he has money to afford to be a street soldier, not always fighting, never ever swinging on a rope, sometimes dropping in on people, taking on a crowd every once in a while, but rarely rapidly punching someone in the face or taking a lot of blows from someone else. He's not a street fighting crimefighter. He's just marching through getting it done or getting knocked out early.

  • July 8, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST

    ERNEST BORG-NINE IS DEAD!

    by Hey_Kobe_Tell_Me_How_My_Ass_Tastes

    Gonna miss the big lug

  • July 8, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST

    turd, that sounds just shitty enough to be true

    by Rebel Scumb

    Very tragic

  • July 8, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST

    "A storm is coming."

    by master_of_realty

    Isn't that from Batman Begins?

  • ... there may be a lot of practical effects and stunts being used but it's Nolan's choice of camera angles and editing that lets the action scenes down. It's got nothing to do with Burton or Bay, I was raised on John Woo and I've never seen any Hollywood director come close to shooting action like Woo did in Hard Boiled. It's not that I want slow-motion doves, I just would like a clear sense of geography and less rapid cuts. Of course it goes without saying that shaky cam must be avoided it all costs unless it makes narrative sense (which it rarely does). The stunt work in TDK is top-notch A-grade but the way it's captured in the finished film is not. Nolan absolutely nails all the drama scenes, no question, but in my opinion his skill doesn't extend into the action sequences. I think he just covers them from many angles and then pieces them together in the edit. It's not elegant like the rest of his work.

  • July 8, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST

    ray_tango

    by sambafreak13

    What did you think of the Brad Bird's action direction in MI 4?

  • He holds the camera still, the stunts are real, there is minimal CG work, we are emotionally invested in the characters, and its all edited perfectly. No one's done action this well since Spielberg.

  • July 8, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Re: "mini-Bane"...ridiculuously muscular guys can't fight

    by cgih8r

    They are slow and cannot maneuver well. It is not practical to have muscles like Mr. Universe when you have to step into the octagon. Hardy is the perfect size to kick all kinds of ass and so is Bale.

  • Poor guy is all confused. "It's a fact the action sucks! A FACT, DAMN YOU! READ THIS EDITOR!"

  • July 8, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST

    plus...

    by Rebel Scumb

    If he was some 7 ft tall dude it would be a lot harder to buy him as some sort of international mysterious terrorist leader since a guy like that would stand out like a sore thumb

  • Those little pieces of exposition like the newscast in the bar talking about Joker bombing bridges and tunnels gets swamped by the action around it. There were pieces of the movie that didn't make sense until the second or third time. I still don't know what Joker killed Gambit with. If it was that potato peeler, what was the bang? And if it was a gun, where was it?

  • July 8, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    woooooowee!!!

    by Russman

    Glad I didn't watch. Gonna bookmark and watch it after I return home from the Arclight on the 20th!

  • July 8, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Gambit in the Dark Knight?

    by Scorchy

    Who the heck is Gambit?

  • I think the bang was just the music, like a horror movie BANG. I was under the impression the Joker just like, slashed the back of his throat or something.

  • July 8, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    @franken

    by rahtard

    You can't speak words or truth and logic in the church of Nolan!! This guy has a cult following, you know that. And I agree with you on everything 100% As a person who's post graduate work is based on cognition and mental perception, I find any discussion of Inception as an intelligent film insulting on every level.

  • July 8, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I was never sure how Gambol was killed

    by Dr. Chim Richalds

    Or, for that matter, the two henchmen behind him when Joker first got out of the body bag.

  • July 8, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST

    Nolan IS decent with exposition and explosions.

    by Flip63Hole

    Other than that, can't say I've really connected with any of his films, though I thought Insomnia was decent. He does hire a mean cinematographer!

  • July 8, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST

    Joker kills Gambol with the knife he's holding

    by TheMcflyFarm

    There was no bang, just a music cue.I assume he takes the knife out of his mouth and slits his throat, but it's offscreen. He kills the two henchman by stabbing them both as he gets up out of the bag. It's a quick shot, but you can clearly see him stab them and then one of his goons throws him the knife he kills Gambo with.

  • July 8, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST

    First

    by JDSmitty

    Post ever

  • didn't the costume person see this (or the director) and asks the extras to at least dirty up their prison scrubs. Roll around in the dirt a bit, wrinkle them a bit. Some of the other parts seem cool. Both of the first 2 Nolan ones were like that for me. Some really cool stuff & some dumb stuff.

  • July 9, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST

    "No one's done action this well since Spielberg."

    by DoctorWho?

    James Cameron. Period.

  • July 9, 2012, 12:47 a.m. CST

    Every movie has flaws

    by centilope

    Can't remember a movie that doesn't have any. Do you? I'd love to watch a movie without any flaws at all. But that movie doesn't exist. Give me some examples if you can. TDK also has flaws, but to me and all the other people who love it, they don't matter either at all or not nearly as much to those who hate this movie for whatever reason, try to nitpick it to death, desperately trying to prove it's the worst movie ever because it has flaws, which actually may not even be flaws, just a matter of preference, or whatever. I'm glad I'm not one of the haters, that I can love and appreciate a movie about my favourite comicbook character, made with so much care, respect for the character and the audience, so much thought put into the story, everything made for real with practical effects and stuntwork, shot in IMAX instead of Shit-D like everyone does these days (even if they could say no to it, guys like Ridley Scott and others don't have the balls to refuse) , with so many extremely talented people behind it, such a huge budget, all the best Batman stories adapted into something that's truly special. Thanks to Nolan it's no shame to love a comicbook movie anymore. His movies are too good for the mainstream, comicbook-hating crowd to ignore.

  • July 9, 2012, 2:03 a.m. CST

    first reports are good, very good!!

    by Cruzboy

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/the-dark-knight-rises-evades-embargo-to-get-good-buzz-20120709-21qvf.html

  • July 9, 2012, 3 a.m. CST

    Did anybody else noticed that??

    by Gabriel

    The Blake and Miranda segments where shorter than the rest?? And Miranda[s was the shortest....Either their part is minimal or not what it seems.

  • ...and yes, there's more to Miranda Tate's character than that little segment. What's the point of her character...just to get Wayne involved in his company again?!? Please...

  • July 9, 2012, 4:45 a.m. CST

    I caught that to werewolfstitch

    by Rebel Scumb

    I'm still banking on Miranda = Talia (even though actress says otherwise in interviews) and that Blake becomes the new batman at the end of the film after batman dies or is crippled (not a spoiler just my own theory) It would fit with the whole, the Legend can never be killed thing set up in the first movie.

  • It's a great tense scene otherwise, and I'm not sure if its just the fact that they couldn't show any gore for ratings reasons, but the threat throughout the confrontation is that he'll cut his mouth into a joker smile, which of course would not kill him. And I agree the music does make it seem like he gets shot. I presume as someone said that Joker cut his throat, but it is hard to tell.

  • July 9, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST

    There is a bit of a spoiler at 5m29s

    by Nezza

    Significant injury to major character revealed. Look at the face of the character on the right. Ouch.

  • July 9, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    booga

    by JAMF

    they reset all the dc comic books to issue 1 in september, a bunch of books got cancelled too. all the characters are now about 5 years younger than before and some of the stuff that happened previously is still canon and some isn't. waste of time if you ask me. they're trying to get in on the marvel 'ultimate' idea about 10 years too late. as far as batman is concerned (he's the only one i read anyway) some of the titles still take place in the old continuity... the stuff by grant morrison about batman inc. still seems to anyway, it's still a bit confusing.

  • July 9, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST

    did you just call marion cotillard a cunt?

    by JAMF

  • July 9, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST

    I'm calling it! Nolan's next flick: WALKER TEXAS RANGER!!!!!

    by millermeusa

  • July 9, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Re: The Gamble death scene

    by cgih8r

    He cuts his throat. But it's a silly scene because it doesn't make sense for a big bad mafia boss to be frozen with fear at the sight of one guy holding a knife to his throat. He would at the very least put up a fight instead of standing there. It would make sense if they had him tied up or held down by Joker's goons and even then he would fight with all of his strength to free himself. I think that would have made it too intense of a death scene though and would've threatened to push the rating past PG-13 so it only makes sense from a studio perspective.

  • July 9, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Re: The Gamble death scene

    by cgih8r

    He cuts his throat. But it's a silly scene because it doesn't make sense for a big bad mafia boss to be frozen with fear at the sight of one guy holding a knife to his throat. He would at the very least put up a fight instead of standing there. It would make sense if they had him tied up or held down by Joker's goons and even then he would fight with all of his strength to free himself. I think that would have made it too intense of a death scene though and would've threatened to push the rating past PG-13 so it only makes sense from a studio perspective.

  • Leonardo Dicaprio will be the villain. Nolan has always stated how much he always loved Bond movies and his films reflect the same film making philosophy: take the audience to exotic locations, film on a large scale, use real stuntwork etc. Nolan will direct a Bond film.

  • July 9, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Nolan needs to eat LSD, it would help him a lot

    by Joely_Boy

    He'd have an expanded colour palette in his films, and the action scenes would flow better

  • July 9, 2012, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins would'nt look like poo

    by Joely_Boy

  • July 9, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST

    TDK: Joker/Gambol

    by bongo dummy

    Joker was presented to Gambol in a body bag which he then jumped out of. That probably throws a person off their game. As for the throat slitting: that is the only thing that made sense. I think he was "carving a smile" on him and why not just go "ear to ear". However he took him out it was swift. And, on to the next part.... Fear was obviously big (thematically) in the first movie, over coming fear and it being used as a weapon, etc. In the second one, there was a lot of misdirection that seemed to involve thinking there is one thing going on when in fact something else was going on. Sometimes it was a diversion or just two things happening simutaneously. So, it was trust as a theme. Plus, of course choice...which often resulted from misdirection and subversion. If the third movie is good, I'm curious what will tie it together. As for people saying these movies are great or are shit: Each so far is more than the average heist movie, more than the average gangster movie or cop movie. Maybe those who hate and nitpick might like it more if they just don't think of it as a Batman movie but as a movie with Batman characters in it. Believe me, i wish Superman hadn't been in Superman Returns. It probably would have made it easier to dismiss that movie. With Batman and the rest in this movie, it makes for an interesting, gripping and thrilling set of movies about some people, played by mostly batman characters.

  • July 9, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Just watched this.

    by Chris Moody

    Wow. I have never been more excited to watch a superhero film! There are some spoilers in terms of the plot set up and locations as well as the new vehicle (that EVERYONE already knows about). And, of course, there is an explanation of the characters which reveals very little about them. I am looking forward to this film more than any other film this year. Seriously.

  • July 9, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I love the fact that...

    by Chris Moody

    ...Christopher Nolan said that he is building sets whenever possible. Seriously, he has a cast of THOUSANDS in several key scenes. This reminds me of the Golden Age of cinema. Despite the criticism of PROMETHEUS, even its detractors can admit that the sets in that film were fantastic. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES was filmed in London, Scotland, L.A., New York and a few other places. The huge sets for indoor and underground scenes are awe-inspiring.