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Fridays, May 11-June 29, 2012
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Right where he should be: some unwatchable show on a Friday night.
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July 6, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
20/20 video preview shows just what a kook is! (link)
by obijuanmartinez
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/heaven-levels-mormons-16699266
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July 6, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
Does anyone think that Kevin Bacon plays the Mormon 3 Degrees of Heaven Game? If you are a Mormon, please take this with the humor in which it was intended, not as an insult...
by Michael Lunney
Kinda like : I can see my house from here! or Blessed are the cheesemakers!
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Thanks for that, I think that is one of the funniest clips I have seen in a long while. I actually laughed out loud I have gots to get me one of those celestial rooms for my house. It would look sweeeet
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I second that!!!
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July 6, 2012, 5 p.m. CST
mrlongbaugh - hope you are doing well, all things considered...
by Michael Lunney
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Thanks for your kind words. I hope all of you guys are doing well. Since there is no "Maher" this week, don't know if Jay will be around, LOL. JK I am sure he will show up later.
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July 6, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
20/20's expose on crazy Liberation Theology/Rev. Wright next week?
by Chris Moody
Oh wait. They won't show ANYTHING that might hurt their beloved yet utterly ineffective and useless messiah. After four years of mediocrity, I can't wait for Obama to be voted out in November -- even if it means a Mormon.
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July 6, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST
what will the racist, pig fucker Maher have to say tonight to offend 90% of America???
by jay2517
.....wasssthat?? hes....not ON tonight? wuzzzthat? summer hiatus?? ummmmm... ummmmmm..... ummmmmm..... my life has no meaning now, ill actually have to leave my house and....socially interact with...real people??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! BILLY!!!!! (in Jack Shepards season 3 flash forward voice)...PLEASE!! COME BAAAACCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!
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Oblameya only spent 20+ years there. a measly pittance!! im sure if Romney had a random KKK member at a rally speech, the MSM would simply give Romney the benefit of the doubt, right?........right?
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July 6, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
I get bugged when "mainstream" Christians attack Mormons, or any other non-mainstream sect for having "crazy" beliefs.
by Tarijeno
Mainstream Christianity is pretty goddamn kooky from an outsider's perspective. It's about the vengeful, hate-filled, invisible God of the old testament getting busy with a virgin woman (in all likelihood a teenager at the time), and fathering a flesh & blood kid who could multiply matter, walk on water, resurrect dead people, and take upon himself the collective sins of mankind all at once, as a means to salvation. Mormons are crazy, but all this stuff up here is totally sane and sensible?
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July 6, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
ccchhhrrriiisssmredux - Not so fast-- it's a rerun from 2005 with new footage to include Mormons. I guess Tne Book of Mormon on Broadway is also anti-Romney? please...
by Michael Lunney
And when you say * I can't wait for Obama to be voted out in November -- even if it means a Mormon. * That makes it sound as if you are anti-Mormonism. Not trying to pick a fight- juat sayin' Mitt Romney's presidential bid has generated unprecedented interest in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, prompting the media to dub this the "Mormon moment." This week, the church will open up on network television's biggest stage about the subject of heaven. The church dispatched Elder William R. Walker, a general authority who oversees the temple department, to New York City for a historic sit-down interview with Barbara Walters near the Manhattan Temple last month. The interview will be part of a two-hour special titled "Heaven: Where is it? How do we get there?" that will air on ABC stations throughout the country Friday night at 8 p.m. MDT. The "Heaven" special originally aired back in December 2005 and featured interviews with religious leaders from virtually all of the leading world religions. But the LDS Church was not among those featured. With nine out of 10 Americans claiming to believe in heaven, the show was one of the most-watched programs in the history of network television. "We felt the program was so good and so strong we wanted to rerun it," Walters said. "And with Gov. Romney running for president, we felt it was very important to include the Mormon point of view this time." Elder Walker definitely delivered the Mormon point of view in a wide-ranging exchange with Walters that covered everything from what goes on in Mormon temples to the practice of baptizing for the dead to the concept of eternal marriage. The interview was groundbreaking and showcases the Mormon faith to millions of Americans through a mainstream television program. It also marks the first time that Walters has interviewed a Mormon about Mormonism. ccchhhrrriiisssmredux - Not so fast-- it's a rerun from 2005 with new footage to include Mormons. I guess Tne Book of Mormon on Broadway is also anti-Romney? please...
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When the Bureau of Labor Statistics announced the nation's latest national employment figures Friday, the Obama administration stressed that people should not "read too much" into the data. Mitt Romney's campaign pounced, and flagged the fact that the White House has repeated that same line nearly every month since November 2009. See below for the roundup of articles from WhiteHouse.gov that Romney's campaign posted on its site. In many of the posts, the authors for the administration do acknowledge that they repeat themselves: June 2012: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is informative to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/07/06/employment-situation-june) May 2012: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/06/01/employment-situation-may) April 2012: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/05/04/employment-situation-april) March 2012: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, and it is helpful to consider each report in the context of other data that are becoming available." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/04/06/employment-situation-march) February 2012: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/09/employment-situation-february) January 2012: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report; nevertheless, the trend in job market indicators over recent months is an encouraging sign." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/02/03/employment-situation-january) December 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/01/06/employment-situation-december) November 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/12/02/employment-situation-november) October 2011: "The monthly employment and unemployment numbers are volatile and employment estimates are subject to substantial revision. There is no better example than August's jobs figure, which was initially reported at zero and in the latest revision increased to 104,000. This illustrates why the Administration always stresses it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/11/04/employment-situation-october) September 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/10/07/employment-situation-september) August 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/09/02/employment-situation-august) July 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/08/05/employment-situation-july) June 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/07/08/employment-situation-june) May 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/06/03/employment-situation-may) April 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/05/06/employment-situation-april) March 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/01/employment-situation-march) February 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/03/04/employment-situation-february) January 2011: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/02/04/employment-situation-january) December 2010: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/01/07/employment-situation-december) November 2010: "Therefore, as the Administration always stresses, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/12/03/employment-situation-november) October 2010: "Given the volatility in monthly employment and unemployment data, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/11/05/employment-situation-october) September 2010: "Given the volatility in the monthly employment and unemployment data, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/10/08/employment-situation-september) July 2010: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative. It is essential that we continue our efforts to move in the right direction and replace job losses with robust job gains." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/08/06/employment-situation-july) August 2010: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/09/03/employment-situation-august) June 2010: "As always, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/07/02/employment-situation-june) May 2010: "As always, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/06/04/employment-situation-may) April 2010: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/05/07/employment-situation-april) March 2010: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/04/02/employment-situation-march) January 2010: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/02/05/employment-situation-january) November 2009: "Therefore, it is important not to read too much into any one monthly report, positive or negative." (LINK: http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2009/12/04/employment-situation-november)
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Obama probably keeps saying that because it's not a good idea to read too much into a single monthly report. It's pretty much what all the economists say and tell him to say. Don't be too alarmed if all the prior presidents said the exactly the same thing when the monthly reports emerged.
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But, who's going to talk about Obama's political ads then Romney's political ads? This is NEWS, people! Christ, now I'm going to have to wait until next year to watch it all on THE NEWSROOM...
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July 6, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST
great post longbaugh....u have Herc the fucking Hack jumping to Oblameya's defense....even when u said, clearly, that it was Oblameya's ADMINISTRATION are the ones making the statements LOL!!!
by jay2517
a little freudian slip, Herc?? and, SURE, its not a good idea to read too much into a single monthly report....EXCEPT when its NOT just a *single* monthly report u freaking HACK. baugh gave u 30(!!!) SEPARATE reports, u nimrod. 30!! thats not *single* thats most def. PLURAL. *It's pretty much what all the economists say and tell him to say.*--- is there ANYTHING that u will hold this president accountable for, Herc?? ur just proving how INCOMPETENT this president IS. if he was told water was dry, would u still defend his idiocy?? FFS!
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July 6, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST
@tarijeno: Agree 100% I think Jesus belongs in the same echelon of intellectual legitimacy occupied by the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny & Santa!
by obijuanmartinez
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July 6, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST
But Mormons are an especially fun sect to poke fun at - Joseph Smith was a 2-bit fraud, and a con artist before starting a cult. Christopher Hitchens had an excellent chapter in "god is Not Great" about them. One of his last articles in Slate covered the
by obijuanmartinez
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2011/10/is_mormonism_a_cult_who_cares_it_s_their_weird_and_sinister_beli.html
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July 7, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST
Oops...covered the origins & quirks of Mormonism (link)
by obijuanmartinez
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2011/10/is_mormonism_a_cult_who_cares_it_s_their_weird_and_sinister_beli.html
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July 7, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
Funny thing about most organizaed religions or organizations for that matter
by Paul
Is you can find all sorts of skeletons in their closets, some are real and some made up by people who have left the organization. Heck I've heard tons of stuff about the democratic party and its members. If you really want to know about an organization you should go to the source rather then looking to individuals who ether left or were kicked out of said organization and spread lies or even take a truth and twist it until it appears a lot stranger then it really is because they are angry. Heres a few links for those who are interested. in knowing more about Mormonism (which I am one) http://mormon.org/ http://www.lds.org/?lang=eng Feel free to check these out or not, I don't want to shove religion on anyone if your not interested, I just wanted to make sure that things are balanced in this talkback. Funny thing about the anti stuff, it only increases membershp, because people start to get curious about it all and start investigating at the source. The Book of Mormon play isn't really anti, but its a little crass from what I've heard about the church but as I've mentioned before its caused a lot of people to want to talk to the missionaries.
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Good job, mrlongbaugh. Forty-one months isn't "one month" and the unemployment numbers have been dismal since this man-boy was elected. And Hercules. Ronald Reagan didn't have to make excuses for his monthly jobs reports. The economic conditions he inherited from Jimmy Carter were this bad, but with inflation. Yet by this point in Reagan's first term, unemployment was about 7 percent, and the US ecomony was creating close to a million jobs a month, not a paltry 80,000. Elections do matter.
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God (who looks a lot like Anthony Hopkins) will decend on his spaceship from the Planet Kolob with his sons Thor and Loki...ehmmm...I mean Jesus and Lucifer. Mormons will then become The New Gods who will terra-form other planets in the galaxy. "I am a Morman/and I believe......"
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July 7, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST
obi.... its cool! Joseph Smith and Mormonism EVOLVED! just like Obama!
by jay2517
didnt u get the memo? if the holy one Oblameya can EVOLVE....anyone or anything can! so, by ur logic, ur gonna hold Oblameya's radical black liberation theology/church against him now?? curious minds want to know!!! cant wait till ur posts about that! and i dont charge for facts (clue's?) either!!! we await!!!
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July 8, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
@jay: No point, bro. I realize the Friday TV spot is your usual forum to spew nonsense, and I guess you're in Maher withdrawal. This has nothing to do with Obama, so...
by obijuanmartinez
... drop your tin-foil hat, go ice your vaj, and take a breather for a few weeks.
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July 8, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST
Mormons like to posthumously "baptize" folks, including Holocaust victims (most notably, Anne Frank) - link - WTF???
by obijuanmartinez
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/mormons-baptize-holocaust-victim-anne-frank-posthumously-says-report-1.414269
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July 8, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
Mormons held slaves in free states, and were driven out (!)
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
Mormons believe not only in the biblical Garden of Eden (kooks), but that it was in Missouri! (kooks)
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST
Joseph Smith "translated a portion" of the bogus Kinderhook Plates (a series of 11 small bell-shaped brass plates with jibberish written on them), manufactured on April 1st (April Fools Day) 1843 by anti-Mormons in Kinderhook Illinois who wanted to "fool"
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST
LOL!!! "This has nothing to do with Obama, so..." HOW does this tb rleate to Romney hmmm? riddle us that, oh wise one!
by jay2517
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July 8, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST
or do u just ignore comments and just attack religion for no reason???
by jay2517
inquiring minds NEED to know!!!
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July 8, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST
@jay: Choice B - I attack religion (but not without reason) Reason and religion are mutually exclusive commodities, dear boy...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
"reason and religion are mutually exclusive commodities..." hmmm interesting.
by jay2517
i think folks like u, dear boy, cant separate the messenger from the message. people like u attack religion instead of going after the REAL problem, the often extremely flawed messenger. unfortunately, people like u do urselves a disservice and just lump everything together and call it a day. ur just as bad as the people/religion ur condemning. but, continue to mock and ridicule...thats the only solution u *enlightened* people seem to have. its sad really....
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July 8, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
@jay: Laughable! You're right. I've got it all wrong. When you die, you don't become wormfood - You go to to a totally bitchen coutry club in the sky, and are reunited with all the antecedent generations of your family, and you get to hang w/ folks like M
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
...like Mark Twain, Jimi Hendrix, and there's big JC himself! That's SO much more plausible. Grow up! Jesus & God are your imaginary friends...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST
But it's hilarious - Believing in Santa, the Tooth Fairy & the Easter Bunny as kid REALLY does prepare you for a lifetime of believing in god. I'm in stitches. I mean, if you'll believe in god, what WON'T you believe in? You're a stunted, intellectual ado
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
But cheer up, the law of diminishing returns is fast catching up with your illusory grumpy grampa in the sky - Example:
by obijuanmartinez
The geometric closings of Catholic parishes are inversely proportionate to their burgeoning legal woes, as more folks wake up every generation and see that an order of celibate males with a penchant for raping prepubescent boys is not really a valid compass for moral living...
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...laughable and stunted indeed.
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July 8, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST
@jay: FYI - You have yet to make a point. PS: You believe in an imaginary friend. Kook...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
Out of curiosity, jay, which sect of the christian cult do you belong to? (Realizing of course that xtianity is Judaism's sloppy seconds coupled w/ fairytale of Jesus)
by obijuanmartinez
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July 8, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST
thanks, again, for continuing to making my point(s). its sad how u cant see that :(
by jay2517
case in point- *PS: You believe in an imaginary friend. Kook...* a stellar example. *Out of curiosity, jay, which sect of the christian cult do you belong to?*--- another stellar example. are u comprehending it yet? *(Realizing of course that xtianity is Judaism's sloppy seconds coupled w/ fairytale of Jesus)*--- and THE trifecta!! u HAVE to see ur bigotry now, correct? c'mon man! BTW- *@jay: FYI - You have yet to make a point...*--- which points did u NOT comprehend? if u need me to explain them, ill gladly do it. i educate people like u all the time. just let me know which point(s) ur stumped on, little guy :)
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July 9, 2012, 5:31 a.m. CST
@jay: I notice you ducked my question. Afraid if I localize which farsical offshoot cult you follow that you'll be exposed? (FYI -These are the actions of a LITTLE guy). Wonder if you've got children at home you're in the process of brainwashing wish thi
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST
...brainwashing with this nonsense (hook 'em early - this is how religion / god have persisted so long)
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST
@jay: The religious rarely make points. I'm still waiting for you to make one...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
...Beyond that, I see you wriggled out of answering which sect of xtianity you belong to. But that would make it easier than it already is to ridicule you...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
Hope you don't have children. I guess if so, they're being raised in a "good", "god-fearing" home, where they can grow up and be good, docile Stockholm Syndrome brainwashees!
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST
u keep making my point(s), obi. and i specifically asked u which point(s) u didnt comprehend...
by jay2517
...and, like i said, ill gladly explain them too u. but, as a raging bigot, u fail to comprehend and just blindly ridicule for no reason. *@jay: The religious rarely make points.*--- how utterly false. *Hope you don't have children. I guess if so, they're being raised in a "good", "god-fearing" home, where they can grow up and be good, docile Stockholm Syndrome brainwashees!*--- man, u make this too easy!! another great bigoted example! BTW- who ever said i was religious? in ur utter bigoted ignorance, u have, again, totally missed my point(s). i'll explain this one for free. whether or not IM religious doesnt matter because its YOUR hate filled, blind bigotry TO religion is what im pointing out. u are another prime example of the *tolerant left* LOL. and u keep giving bigoted example after example. like i said before, people like u are EXACTLY what u rail against. projection and hypocrisy is ur type of peoples stock in trade. sad, sad, sad.
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July 9, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
I'm bored at this point. Rather than joining a discussion poking fun at Mormons, you went full-tilt tinfoil hat, and took to your fringe-right soapbox like a well-trained monkey...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
And...there is no reason to "tolerate" an obviously man-made construct born of equal parts denial, psychological infancy, arrogance, and a dearth of scientific knowledge, AKA: Religion
by obijuanmartinez
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July 9, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST
This passage from de Sade's "Dialogue Between a Priest and a Dying Man" adequately sums it up...
by obijuanmartinez
You yourself, preacher, I defy you to believe in the god you predicate to me - you must fail because you cannot demonstrate him to me, because it is not in you to define him to me, because consequently you do not understand him - because as of the moment you do not understand him, you can no longer furnish me any reasonable argument concerning him, and because, in sum, anything beyond the limits and grasp of the human mind is either illusion or futility; and because your god having to be one or the other of the two, in the first instance I should be mad to believe in him, in the second a fool. My friend, prove to me that matter is inert and I will grant you a creator, prove to me that Nature does not suffice to herself and I’ll let you imagine her ruled by a higher force; until then, expect nothing from me, I bow to evidence only, and evidence I perceive only through my senses: my belief goes no farther than they, beyond that point my faith collapses.
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July 10, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
blah, blah, blah...bigoted statement....blah, blah, blah...projection filled insults...blah, blah, blah...utter intolerance to other peoples beliefs...
by jay2517
...pretty much sums up all of the bigot obi's posts. small world u live in there, little fella...
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July 10, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST
oh yea! and blah, blah, blah...deflection, AKA:obijuanmartinez...
by jay2517
...dont u have a Jesus voodoo doll to torture or something?
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July 10, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST
Yep. This is done. BLAH BLAH BLAH (Insert Righty trope)
by obijuanmartinez
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July 10, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST
BLAH BLAH BLAH "Obama's coming for my Jesus and my gun collection"
by obijuanmartinez
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July 10, 2012, 5:33 a.m. CST
@jay: I pity you, and your sad little life in whatever red state area of Dumbfuckistan USA you're huddled in...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 10, 2012, 5:34 a.m. CST
Beliefs: Willful denial of reality. Pray in one hand. Take a dump in the other. See which happens.
by obijuanmartinez
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July 10, 2012, 5:37 a.m. CST
Sorry jay - Didn't mean to cut into your time picketing soldiers' funerals on behalf of Westboro. You probably have "GOD HATES FAGS" signs to make for your kid(s) to carry!
by obijuanmartinez
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July 10, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST
@jay: PS - I've already triangulated your location via IP / ISP. I've tipped off Obama's Secret Black Muslim Gestapo; they'll be coming in the night...BOO!
by obijuanmartinez
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July 10, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
LOL!! u ARE the bigoted and projection filled gift that keeps on giving!!
by jay2517
pity me?.....pity ME????? u are EXACTLY what is wrong in America. fuckers like u are what is rotting America from within. i mean, just READ ur last 5 posts, u hate filled bigot. u are so totally lost in ur blind hatred of something u obviously dont (or wont) understand, its utter folly to the very concept of rationality. u do the actual rational atheist/agnostics a severe disservice by ur willful and extreme hate filled mindset. i honestly wonder how u go through life without huge therapy bills and getting ur ass handed to u on a weekly (daily??) basis. no wonder ur so hate filled and must vent on the internet, thats all u have left. so sad. get a puppy. BTW- oh yea, FUCK YOU :)
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July 11, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST
@jay: Yup. It's educated folks like me, and our fancy book learnin' that keeps your idyllic "Mayberry of the Mind" from surfacing. You know...
by obijuanmartinez
...that world where women, homosexuals, Jews, uppity blacks & sundry minorities know their place, white males are ascendant, and the CHRIST is STILL in Christmas - where Rush, Beck & O'Reilly program you it ought to be!
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We're all rational, but we all do laugh at the infantile mindset that allows one to wallow through life believing in completely-unsubstantiated, mythical characters, cribbed from much older sects...
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I need never fear anything on two legs handing me my ass on a weekly (or daily) basis: I have +10 years of Tien Shan Pai, Krav Maga & Kenjutsu to draw on, and I've run in two half-marathons (training for a 3rd in September) this year, so sadly, I am a somewhat robust physical specimen, dear laddie!
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July 11, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
keep the bigotry flowing, little man. apparently u love to stoke hate among people to make urself feel better...
by jay2517
...ur a sad fuck. plus, ur no more *educated* or *rational* than ur typical white supremist or black panther member. so, again, FUCK YOU. BTW- u can add words like Kung Pao Chicken or General Tso Pork to ur awesome *who gives a shit fighting skillz*. they dont mean shit. cowards, such as u, only mention bullshit like that because, like i said, u get ur ass handed to u on a regular (or used to) basis. ive handled so called *skilled* fighters like u before and laughed afterward. ALL TALK. but, be *internet tough* all u want. i dont care. if it makes u feel better, have at it. now, go train some more. u need it, uve been getting ur ass handed to u for a few days now...
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...and I'm having fun again dancing with you, point for point. I will have to lead off by disagreeing with your earlier (unfortunately incorrect) assessment of my education. Alas, I hold two Masters' degrees (MA in Education & an MBA). And while I understand someone of your stunted cultural pedigree likely has first-hand experience evaluating the intellectual acumen of white supremacists, I would have to guess you haven't spent enough time in the company of (m)any Black Panthers (much less black folks in general) to adequately render an evaluation of their mental faculties. Your declaration of my "internet toughness" is a bizarrely apparent, textbook case of projection, as YOU, dear lad, seem to be the only person beating their chest (though again, it seems unlikely to me you've ever faced a skilled Israeli-trained fighter in whatever backwater you inhabit; more likely, you've seen variations of "Rex Kwon-do" than Krav Maga). Again, I am merely responding to your points. By explaining my background in various internal / external martial arts forms, I felt I was covering one of your indictments. At NO point did I make a statement on what a bad-ass I am; I simply stated that having spent over a decade immersed in 3 distinct and variegated martial arts styles, I needn't fear "having my ass handed to me" by anything walking on two legs, which happens to be true. As to having my ass handed to me these past few days, I'd hardly qualify your middle-school level, special olympian feats of writing worthy of even an ass-licking...I daresay your lack of simple grammar would make even Harry Knowles cringe! Perhaps you and your sister can talk it over in the back of the pickup tonight over a couple cans of Four Loko (following what was doubtless a full day of home-schooling the kids on the inadequacies of evolution and climate change vis-a-vis the teachings of the Old Testament...) Gratias ago vos!
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ur a dumb fuck coward that has to take his frustrations out in internet forums. u are true to form of the typical internet fukwad- projection- check supposed enhanced intellect- check supposed and name dropped *badassery*- check inferred inbreeding of opponent- check bigotry of supposed opponents faith- check ridiculing of opponents supposed children- check inferred diminished intellect of opponent because of typing skills- check etc. etc. etc. again, u are a sad little fucker. hope ur life gets better...
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July 13, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST
@jay: You've yet to article an cohesive point, my child...
by obijuanmartinez
I'll attempt to phrase this as monsyllabically as possible so it sinks in (dare I hope - REGISTERS) Walking around (essentially) saying "I WIN, I WIN! NEENER, NEENER!" is a debate paradigm favored by the elementary school-set, and won't net you much out in the "big people" world. Your argument is further underscored by elementary school-level articulation & grammar I would remind you that you appointed yourself (unbidden) the savior of those poor, hapless Mormons, but it seems you've gotten your temple garment in somewhat of a twist, and have yet to make a relevant point on why delusional folks with invisible friends somehow rate RESPECT on an (ostensibly) even intellectual playing field. Would be eager to hear you articulate an argument (or whatever passes for one for someone of your meager capabilities) that addresses this very point... Oh, and - please do yourself a favor and learn the difference between the words "infer" and "imply"
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July 13, 2012, 7:56 a.m. CST
er...that'd be "articulate". Thanks (again!) Apple...
by obijuanmartinez
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July 13, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
i have dismantled every facet of ur hate filled, fact free *points* and assumptions and have exposed ur glaring bigotry...
by jay2517
...just because u dont like it, doesnt make it any less true. everything i have posted is fact. the fact that u keep trying to defend the indefensible is FUN to read though, if not getting a bit boring. BTW- when have i said i was a *savior* to just Mormonism? oh yea, i DIDNT. yet another glaring example of ur awesome *debating* skills. when losing in every facet, just start making up shit and attribute it to the opposition. *sigh*, i really DO hope ur life gets better. maybe get a kitten instead of a puppy? BTW2- FUCK YOU :)
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July 14, 2012, 4:23 p.m. CST
@jay: What color is the sky in your world? The Fox News effect of spewing silliness doesn't make it any less true...
by obijuanmartinez
You've "dismantled" nothing, but have failed to even attempt to rebut a single one of the statements on Mormonism I made earlier in the thread - e.g. posthumous baptism of Holocaust victims, racists who refused blacks that right to be priests in their cult, a figurehead (Joseph Smith) who had a criminal record before turning his eye toward becoming a cult-leader (the L. Ron Hubbard of his day). Beyond that, I've attempted to understand why making fun of religions / religious institutions / those who claim to have "faith" in a god constitutes "bigotry", yet you'll not answer even that simplest of queries. There is not a shred of credible archaeological / historical evidence that substantiates Jesus' supposed existence - no contemporary historical writings from that region of the Middle East; it's kind of like opening a 19th century American History book and not finding Abraham Lincoln. The dearth of evidence is there for those who don't have their ears & eyes plugged to what can be proven, and that which is merely conjecture. People who claim absolute belief in something they don't absolutely and implicitly understand are equal parts naive & delusional. I need not accord them even a measure of respect: Intellectually, they haven't let go of the Easter Bunny & Santa Claus yet. The Bible is a collection of non-contemporaneously-written hearsay, plagiarized mainly from Hebrew scripture (Newsflash: The supposed Jesus wasn't christian; he was a jew). The story of virgin birth is yet another plagiarism, cribbed from older sources (Mithra, Krishna, Horus Remus/Romulus, Hercules). Oddly, you can't seem to muster anything more lucid than "BTW2 - FUCK YOU :)", whatever that means. Perhaps I'll ask my 10 year-old niece, though you don't seem to be operating at even her level...
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