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Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with today’s Behind the Scenes Pic!

Looking at today’s picture I find myself smiling. There’s no way this innocent, young 32 year old George Lucas could have known this scene he was shooting would be the source of so much outrage. He was probably just trying to make his day, hoping to god the Greedo mask looked good on camera.

This scene is the biggest marker for fans of just how much George Lucas changed as a filmmaker between the ‘70s and the ‘90s. This is where in many minds he crossed the line from playing with new technology to actually changing his original intent, altering important character moments beloved by a whole generation of film-goers.

I know which side of the line most of you fall on (I’m right there with you), but looking at this photo just makes me remember the good days, when Star Wars united us all instead of divided us. So, let’s see if we can’t keep that spirit going in the talkbacks, shall we?

Thanks to Pat Barnett for sending this one along!



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Click here to visit the complete compilation of previous Behind the Scenes images, Page One
(warning: there are some broken links that will be fixed as soon as I can get around to it)

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  • July 1, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST

    shot FIRST

    by Donald Trump

  • July 1, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    by kiwijar

    inb4 first

  • July 1, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Fuck you motherfucker!!

    by Robert Evans

  • July 1, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Lucas Shot first...

    by Superponte

    I mean, LOOK! He has a camera shooting right now!

  • July 1, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST

    that may be the most Trump-tastic First ever

    by Donald Trump

    I didnt want to waste seconds constructing a whole sentence. I wasted enough reading the article first AND then having to spend a moment more actually logging in

  • July 1, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Shot first is WRONG!

    by Tim

    ONLY Han fired his blaster. Greedo never fired a shot.

  • July 1, 2012, 9:49 p.m. CST

    What can I say......

    by notcher

    A great moment in movie history fucked up by Lucas' redux. Damn it!!!

  • Aside from taking away from the badassry of Han, the actual edit looks awkward. Terrible...still a huge SW fan though.

  • July 1, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST

    The "Even I get boarded" line was from the Jabba scene...

    by Tacom

    ...when it was originally deleted and redubbed in earlier in the Han talks to Greedo scene. I just realized that watching it recently

  • His redemption at the end of RotJ is one of my favorite movie moments of all time. It makes me sad that Lucas doesn't understand his own movies, and what made them special. I hope he has his fucking dick and balls ripped off by a rabid pitbull, and then bleeds out slowly. Asshole.

  • July 1, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST


    by ATARI

  • July 1, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST

    @ Donald Trump. TAKE A BOW.

    by Gus

  • July 1, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST


    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Fuck this "Han shot first" shit; that doesn't make sense, Greedo never shot.

  • July 1, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST

    by justmyluck

  • July 1, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Birthplace of a Million Lazy References

    by Aquatarkusman

    At least we all funded Lucas to the extent that he can have solid gold toilets.

  • July 1, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Declan Mulholland

    by john

    can be like the real jabba, kinda like liam neeson as ra's ghul in the batbegins.....

  • July 1, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Why I Will Never Get the "Firster" Argument...

    by StarWarsRedux either version of the scene, the same basic moral thing is playing out. Either Han shoots a thug who's about to shoot him point blank before he gets a chance to shoot, or he shoots a thug who just took a shot at him he knew he was going to take. The whole idea that Han shooting Greedo "first" makes him some badass morally ambiguous anti-hero with some grand dramatic arc from murderous loner shooting a creep in cold blood to altruistic good guy is bullshit. <p> <p>In either case, it's a clear cut case of self defense. Greedo's no victim. That's not a bag of Skittles or a wallet that he's pointing at Han-- it's a loaded fucking gun. And he's making it very clear that he's going to shoot Han and collect on the first part of the "Wanted: Dead or Alive" bounty. Therefore, the moral dimension of this scene isn't altered if Greedo shoots first. You want to see a real morally ambiguous anti-hero shooting a creep in cold blood? Watch Connery's Bond in "Dr. No" or Craig's in "Casino Royale" shooting thugs even after he's made certain that they're defenseless twits without any bullets in their guns. <p> <p>Anyway. All the bullshit attention in the "Firster" argument ignores the real problem in the changed scene-- the long shot that's inserted into the sequence in order to show Greedo firing before Han. With that addition, we lose the close-up quick cut editing that helped make the scene such a nice little suspense moment originally, with a split-second uncertainty as to who shot first, to begin with. It's a cool scene because the first time you see it, Greedo could have shot first after all. It's only when the smoke clears that you see Han got the drop on him. <p> <p>The sad thing is, most "Firsters" probably wouldn't care if eventually Lucas cut Greedo's blast out of the film, but kept that long shot in. Eh.

  • July 1, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Man I wish that blaster was real.

    by death metal batman

  • July 1, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Prequel Meanings

    by Chris Crocker

    Seems like George Lucas was basing Vadar's arc through the prequels on himself. It's about a man that slowly loses himself to the establishment (the new Republic) and technology. Either Vadar or Sidous, as their throat pouches are both too similar to be coincidence.

  • July 1, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Lucas IS right. Has Solo is COOLER for having shot second

    by Proman1984

  • July 1, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST


    by StarWarsRedux

    This Vadar character from the Prequel sounds fascinating. I had no idea there was someone who lost himself to the New Republic, let alone that anyone could do such a thing whilst the old one was busy being turned into a fascist Empire. Eye opening stuff, that is.

  • July 1, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST

    I also miss the time when Star Wars united us.

    by ponchobill

  • July 1, 2012, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Greedo shot JFK

    by Mel

  • The shot missed by like 10 feet and Han magically teleported 2 inches to his right. It's hilariously bad.

  • July 1, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Han Shot.

    by tomandshell

    The end.

  • July 1, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Greedo shot a load in his pants, first.

    by Dingbatty

  • July 1, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Han shot early:

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • July 1, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST

    In the future...

    by Brock

    Generations who did not "grow up" with Star Wars will look back at us and think: "What a bunch of whiny bitches! They moaned and groaned over the most trivial useless shit" And I would have to agree with them.

  • July 1, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    nicely done, Donald Trump

    by Tigger Tales

    I always thought you were handsome, in a weird sort of way

  • July 1, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Han shoots long after the fact:

    by Bedknobs and Boomsticks

  • July 1, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST

    You know I am trying to get over this. I thought I was done, but...

    by adeceasedfan

    shit like this and watching People vs. Turkeyneck on Netflix cause that bile to force its way back up. Fuck you George.

  • July 1, 2012, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Greedo is texting?

    by grassh0pperunit

    Who the hell is he texting? Jabba?

  • July 1, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    What pissed me off even more was...

    by Brock

    When Lucas had Vader yell "NOOooooo" before he hurled the Emperor over the ledge in the Blu ray edition of Jedi. I did not buy them (and won't for that reason)

  • July 2, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST

    by justmyluck

  • July 2, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST

    I so don't care about it anymore...

    by Jay

    Watching the Blu-rays with my Niece and Brother, nobody gave a fuck about the changes. The movies are still amazing. They hold up, and they will continue to do so. Do I wish the unaltered originals were available? Of course I do. I would welcome a Spielberg/ET change of heart from Lucas. But for the time being, we're stuck with quality looking (And sounding for that matter) special editions on Blu-ray. And if you watch them with an open mind, you may even like a number of the changes. I did. And the whole Han shot first thing...each new edition has had it altered. The scene looks normal on the blu-ray. They shoot at the same time, and there's no poor CGI head bobbing. It's a silly change, don't get me wrong. But unless you're an angry middle aged nerd (or pretends to be one on the net) you're not even going to notice it. Tolkien altered The Hobbit after LOTR success in order to fit better into the overall story arc. I can assure you we all read and loved the altered one.

  • Stay classy, Quint. You are still great at beating a dead horse for decades. The way to pass it off at the end like you aren't shows your maturity as a writer.

  • July 2, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST

    First does not imply that anyone else shot.

    by gotilk

    It implies that he never gave him a chance to shoot. Think of it like a race. Han's car crosses FIRST over the finish line after running Greedo off the road. He's still first. Even if there's no second. Just because Greedo never got a chance to cross doesn't mean there wasn't a fucking RACE.

  • July 2, 2012, 1:26 a.m. CST

    This is a recent thing, too.

    by gotilk

    It's been spreading. Even an old friend I've known for years, someone I watched Jedi with opening night said it. Oh... the past 35 years never happened and I knew this all along. There is no first, Greedo never shot. NO. Wrong. He's still first. Missing an opportunity doesn't make the guy who took it from you not the winner. It's like there's suddenly a portion of your brains that just decided to throw logic out and follow the meme.

  • July 2, 2012, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Vader Yelling NOOOOOO!

    by maxwell's hammer

    It's really weird. I get frustrated with all the dumb shit Lucas gets preoccupied with, but I don't obsess over it the way some people do. But two things always come back to really bother me. The first is that awful "Jedi Rocks" song in ROTJ. That whole scene is sooo massively ill-concieved and clashes tonally with every other moment in Jabba's Palace. It just feels too slick and polished compared to the grimy grungy "Lapti Nek" in the original. The second was the YouTube clip of Vader yelling "No!" when saving Luke. That moment in the original was always one of my favorite character moments for Vader, not just from a motivational standpoint, but from a performance standpoint as well, as Prowse somehow manages to wring all this redemptive sadness out of that bulky mask and suit with such simple movements. That he did is without saying anything always haunted me. And George Lucas literally ruined both of those great Star Wars moments. I'm not a going to climb up to the mountains and shriek about how much I hate him and invent colorful insults about rape and whatnot. But I'm just really perplexed why he would so drastically alter those perfect moments that weren't just unbroken, but were superiorly constructed instances. The Trilogy would have been a great way to get me to finally buy a BlueRay player. I can put up with Greedo shooting first, or the wacky robots and Jawas and lizard monsters on the new CGI approach to Mos Eisley, or the unnecessary addition of the kewl posing of the Wampa on Hoth, or any number of other pointless and distracting changes he felt the need to make. Even stupid fucking "Jedi Rocks" I've learned to live with. But ruining Vader's moment with Palpitane was just too much. I didn't get SW on Blue Ray, and never will.

  • July 2, 2012, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Vader yelling NO reply

    by lovesamuelfuller

    The reason why that moment worked so well (without the "NOOOOO") is because we don't see anything, no indication, of what Darth Vader is going though or feeling at that moment. We can't of course because of the mask. What that does is involve us. WE start thinking for him. We imagine our self in his place and wonder what he is thinking and feeling. That is good storytelling! And then, as soon as he acts and we see what he must have been feeling and thinking, it is moving because his change, his character arc, happened in our brain , in our imagination. It is somehow therefore more personal. with the new version we don't get involved anymore because we can see and hear what he is thinking (because of the repeated "Noooo"). The involvement and subtlety is gone. That is bad storytelling! And this applies to many changes lucas made to the original versions. Most changes just don't make sense from a story p.o.v. One other small detail is the scream of Skywalker when he let's go to commit suicide at the end of Empire. In the original we see Luke fall to his death, because that is what he chose to do as soon as he knew he couldn't win form Darth Vader and that he was his son. It was a very strong moment. Now we hear him scream as he falls. But weakens the implication of him being heroic and jumping to end his life. Sure it's possible in that situation to start screaming but it doesn't make that moment better, it weakens it. Luke jumping to his death without the scream just works better and makes more sense from a story and audience involvement perspective. And there are so many more stupid moments like this that makes me wonder if George knows his own Star Wars universe tonally and if he knows anything about storytelling. Based on the first Star Wars one would think that at one point he knew. He must have lost it somehow... somewhere...

  • Actually, just being able to rotate the various prototype models was worth it. Like a savvy dealer, he knows how to push his shit like *NOOOOOOOOO!* and Ben Kenobi's re-dubbed, demented Tusken Raider scare scream. Fucking hideous. *Thank the maker* for the 2006 bonus DVDs with the Laserdisc masters.

  • July 2, 2012, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Fuck Lucas

    by paketep


  • July 2, 2012, 3:10 a.m. CST

    No edit button...

    by lovesamuelfuller

    Just to be clear i mean of course that in the original we see Luke fall QUIETLY to his death... they should really get an edit option here on AICN

  • July 2, 2012, 3:22 a.m. CST

    @donald trump Dude, you nailed it!

    by Anthony Torchia

    great pun, one in a thousand. "Never tell me the odds." Great pic, I miss the innocence of that time, and all the teenage pussy (being a teenager myself of course)

  • July 2, 2012, 3:39 a.m. CST

    oota goota stick it up yer poota

    by higgledyhiggles

    it`s early and I need a coffee.

  • July 2, 2012, 3:52 a.m. CST

    Han shot first, and I would have too. Good on you Solo!

    by Clio

  • July 2, 2012, 4:06 a.m. CST

    ONLY Solo fired.

    by Darth Scourge

    'Nuff said! :)

  • July 2, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST


    by Darth Scourge

    Don't worry... Luke's scream was only in the '97 Special Edition of Empire... it was removed for every version after that, thankfully.

  • July 2, 2012, 4:26 a.m. CST

    darth scourge

    by lovesamuelfuller

    Did not know that. After those versions i didn't want to see any other versions. The "No"scene i watched on youtube, same as some other new changes. But it's good to know that Lucas dropped the scream. Thanx!

  • July 2, 2012, 4:57 a.m. CST

    starwarsredux: Lemme explain it for ya

    by jazzdownunder

    Greedo wanted to take Han in for the bounty. He would have rather taken Han in alive but made it clear he wasn't going to negotiate. So yes, if Han didn't "come along nicely", Greedo was going to shoot, but Han couldn't let Greedo know that he had no intention of just coming along like a good little smuggler. There is a point in the conversation just before Han fires when he reaches up and starts absent-mindedly fiddling with something on the wall next to his head. I always saw this as Han deliberately trying to a) appear relaxed and b) distract Greedo from the fact that he was about to shoot the prick IN COLD BLOOD to avoid having to find some other, time consuming way out of the predicament. Or rather, he thought he had a way to pay Jabba off - all he had to do was ferry that fop haired farm boy and the old crone to Alderaan then he could just pay Jabba back. The whole Greedo thing was an unnecessary and unwelcome impediment to that and the easiest way to deal with it was to blow it away. THAT is a completely different Han than one who sees no choice but to shoot in SELF DEFENCE.

  • July 2, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Star Wars still unites us

    by Hamish

    We're all still pissed ain't we?

  • Han: Did you see that? He missed my head by, like, 3 feet !!! Obi-Wan: Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise ! Han: Precise? Have you seen ANY of this movie?

  • July 2, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST

    Han did not shoot first.

    by Kevservo

    That would imply there was a second shot. There was only one shot and it was Han's. Yes, Greedo had his gun trained on him, but it was obvious he wasn't intending to use it unless necessary. The SE scene not only decreases Han's coolness but it also makes Greedo out to be a chump who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a fucking boat. Now, I doubt any of us ever took Greedo seriously as any kind of threat, but it was always implied that he at least had a thimbleful of competence. In the SE? Let's all laugh at the idiot who can't hit a target from two feet away. I wouldn't be suprised if in the Digitally Remastered Holographic 4D versions that are bound to come out, Lucas alters the scene again so that the Cantina's a family restaurant and Han doesn't even respect Greedo enough to shoot him and just drops an anvil on him. the saga's been a fucking cartoon for 15 years, so why not? What really gets me isn't what the scene does to Han or Greedo, but it foreshadows the transformation of the trilogy's entire universe that would be completed with the CGI Clone Wars cartoon -- a safe, PG place where farting droids with a penchant for slapstick humor are always in the background.

  • ...when this photo was taken.

  • July 2, 2012, 6:16 a.m. CST

    @daemon12 Or he's leaning over to hand him an olive branch.

    by OlafStapledon

  • Shows the power of editing.

  • July 2, 2012, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Getting old fucking sucks.

    by Autodidact

  • July 2, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST

    NPR Radio Drama

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Han shoots first. Period. Star Wars on Blu? Pass

  • July 2, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Greedo and his wiggly rubber hands > any CGI prequel creature

    by blackmantis

  • July 2, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST

    kevservo, thank you

    by SergeantStedenko

    Yes, in the original theatrical release Greedo never got a shot off before Han killed him in cold blood. Of course, Greedo would have done the same thing to Han had he not shot first.

  • July 2, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Lord of the Rings rules

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    only children and child-men like Star Wars

  • July 2, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST

    It looks like Greedo is texting

    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    "should I shoot him now?" "should I shoot him now?"

  • July 2, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Star Wars still unites us, except now in butt hurt.

    by Gabe Athouse

    Let's all get together and watch the Plinkett reviews while drinking and chuckling ruefully.

  • July 2, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST

    The original cut and edit define Han Solo

    by alienindisguise

    He knows Greedo, anticipates his motives and deals with it. That's how anyone would deal with bounty hunters, smugglers and the like. Lucas took Han's balls away by fucking with it.

  • Barack Obama is the first black US President. That is true even if there never is another one.

  • July 2, 2012, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Looks like Greedo is on a 2 way Pager

    by Waka_Flocka

  • July 2, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST

    gotlik and bah

    by one9deuce

    Not sure many of us agree with your semantics. Greedo didn't intend to fire unless he needed to, which is 100% clear because he tells Han "Tell that to Jabba. He may only take your ship". So "first" and "second" don't really apply. Its just: Han Solo shot Greedo. And I'll say this for the 10,000th time: We aren't complaining that George altered the Original Trilogy. We are complaining that he KEEPS altering it with every single release and WON'T MAKE THE ORIGINAL THEATRICAL CUTS AVAILABLE. Even though every other filmmaker who has alternate versions of a film makes every version available. That makes George an asshole who is intentionally pissing people off.

  • July 2, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST

    JazzDownUnder-- yeah, except that's bullshit

    by StarWarsRedux

    Here's the thing. GREEDO HAS A GUN. That alone is enough to make it pure self defense, even if you ignore the fact that he's pointing it at Han, and makes it very, very clear that he intends to pull the trigger ("Over my dead body!" "That's the idea, heh!"). So, yeah. Reading into all the wall fiddling in the world doesn't change that.

  • July 2, 2012, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Pointing a Gun in Someone's Face = Hostile Act

    by StarWarsRedux

    Legally speaking, that's enough to make Han blasting him a "good shooting".

  • July 2, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST

    "What Happened to the Star Wars that I Used to Know?' video parody

    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

  • July 2, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST

    morte_bea_arthur - Awesome.

    by Mennen


  • special effects fueled blockbuster, that has come to dominate Hollywood releases, over the smaller, personal films like American Graffiti and Taxi Driver that she also worked on.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST

    a work of art is never finished, it's only abandoned...

    by chifforobe

    ...or in my case, never abandoned. It's continuously fussed over and tinkered with unendingly. But I'm not creating new and distinct versions, I'm like a painter who breaks into the home of someone who purchased my work so that I can slaver on a few more brush strokes-- I couldn't care less how the patron thought about it or connected to it over the years. I have nothing but contempt and indifference for the original work, or the audience's reaction to it. Only my capricious and increasingly unpopular vision matters. Art should not be released into the world like a baby bird, to have a life and find it's own way, despite the strengths and weaknesses built into all living things. It must be recaptured periodically, modified and possibly mutilated for my amusement. I'm not only auteur but supreme audience, I am uroboros sucking on my own crooked penis. Sincerely, Lucas

  • July 2, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Yes, Tatooine was the first planet to adopt the "Stand Your Ground" law

    by SergeantStedenko

    Han was in his legal right to shoot Greedo who had a gun to his face. Lucas is a fat pussy.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Over Star Wars

    by eck_iii

    The originals were great fun, but not the greatest films ever. Let's move on.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST

    gotilk, your semantics are suspect. Here's why:

    by SergeantStedenko

    It implies that Greedo was going to shoot Han, but Han shot first. What is Greedo had a knife, but not a gun? Or no weapon at all? Would you still be able to say that Han shot first? No, you wouldn't. Like, one9duece said all you can say is that Han shot Greedo, unless Greedo was about to shoot Han, but Han shot first.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST

    I agree, let's move on to the Star Wars of our day:

    by SergeantStedenko

    John Carter

  • July 2, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST


    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    Maybe she should do some sort of crazy penance, like Sarah Winchester.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Will I ever but the Blu-rays? Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

    by Jake Pantlin

  • July 2, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Almost was...

    by Darth Macchio

    Rumor had it that the character of 'Han Solo' only became human towards the last couple rewrites.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:35 p.m. CST

    This is what I've never understood

    by SithMenace

    Lucas said at one time, about the Han/Greedo scene, something to the effect of "someone that kills in cold blood can never be redeemed". But then Darth Vader, who is REDEEMED in Jedi, marches into the temple and slaughters younglings. It just shows how completely out of touch with Star Wars Lucas is. Or he's completely full of shit. Or both.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST

    These movies were my fav as a kid

    by james

    Doesn't do much for me anymore. Star Wars was great and still holds up pretty well except for the Vader/ Obi-Won lightsaber fight. Empire is Empire. Well written, well lit, well directed, competently acted. ROTJ: well the effects are still good. Lightsaber battle on DS is still exciting. But really, the expanded universe is my preference these days. Hell I even enjoy Star Wars D20 game more than rewatching these movies for the 100 000th time.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST

    sergeantstedenko-- but that's not the case, is it?

    by StarWarsRedux

    Greedo didn't come to the table with his bare hands. He didn't bring a knife to a gun fight. Without the gun in his face, Han wouldn't have even sat down for their little chat to begin with. Greedo was definitely going to shoot, just as much as that shmuck who walked in on Tuco's bathtime from "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" was going to, and the lesson is the same-- "If you're going to shoot-- shoot. Don't talk". <p> <p>Put it another way. Greedo is awake, facing Han, and armed. This is a good shooting. Not cold blood. As such, the extra shot is really just an aesthetic annoyance.

  • That is all.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Red Tails

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Did anyone actually see this. It had some decent over the top CGI dog fight scenes (like the ones with the train and the boat), but man you could tell that the years Lucas had it in post production (and his reshoots that didn't include the director) led to some shoddy edits and rushed storytelling, especially in the last 40 minutes where scenes just end when it appears that something was actually going to happen dramatically. And the fact that Lucas wanted to compare it to Nicholas Ray's Flying Leathernecks shows he has no clue what he's talking about. I have seen The Flying Leathernecks, and yeah John Wayne gives a hammy performance, but Robert Ryan is actually good, and the film itself has a nice subtext going using Wayne and Ryan as different types of father figures for their troops.

  • July 2, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST


    by Morte_Bea_Arthur

    If anyone gets nosy, you know, just... shoot 'em. Shoot 'em? Politely.


  • July 2, 2012, 12:53 p.m. CST

    The blurays stink

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Barely passable high definition transers for the originals, Phantom Menace degrained to look like the poor digital cinematography of Clones and Sith, and the discs with the extras have some substantial navigational/loading issues. I don't even care about the fact that they're not the originals, I just can't justify buying bluray for the OT that don't look much better than the dvds I have (which is probably because they're from the same master made at 2k from 2004, just with adds and some further color correction).

  • July 2, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST

    A young Doug Beswick in the background.

    by v3d

  • July 2, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST

    I can't understand how GL thinks his "Greedo shoots first" edit looks good

    by fat_rancor_keeper

    I agree. If you are going to do something - DO IT FUCKING RIGHT OR DON'T DO IT AT ALL! Oh you want to add rocks in front of R2? Okay so re-shoot a few minutes of footage with a replica or at least watch the damn scene in it's entirety so that it remains consistent and you don't have rocks appearing and disappearing like the added windows from 97 on Bespin. Oh you want to makes Luke's saber blue on the falcon as opposed to green and fucking white as on the 2004 DVD? SO FUCKING DO IT! As it stands even on the blu's they still fucked this up and only fixed one shot.

  • July 2, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    The problem with a lot of these CGI fixes to the OT

    by Samuel Fulmer

    Is that they create further continuity errors or other gaffes that were not there previously. Love the windows in cloud city, but they're there in some shots, gone when they cut to another shot. I guess Lucas thinks they look better because they are digital mistakes.

  • July 2, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST

    But, starwarsredux, Greedo wasn't going to shot Solo, he needed him alive

    by SergeantStedenko

    Han knew however what his fate was if he went along with Greedo to be handed over to Jabba. And we all saw that fate played out in ESB and ROTJ. Han decided that shooting Greedo was his best option. It may have been a justifiable shooting, but it was still pretty cold-blooded and that is part of what made Han Solo so badass.

  • July 2, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST

    I always thought it was "OOOTA TOOTA SOLO?"

    by marineboy

  • Oh, right. Cause he's an asshole. Lucas peaked at Empire (Which of course had the least of his involvement) and everything went downhill from there. What a waste of potential.

  • July 2, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Lucas shot first.

    by Gary Makin

  • July 2, 2012, 2:02 p.m. CST

    "Over my dead body!" "That's the idea!"

    by StarWarsRedux

    Best case scenario-- Greedo would hand over Han alive for the full bounty, and Jabba would then feed him to one of his creatures. Even if ROTJ hadn't confirmed this, it's always a safe bet that when a gangster puts a bounty on your head, even "Or Alive" part is really just a formality. Greedo wasn't going to hand him over to the authorities for a bounty. Han wasn't being sent to jail. He was staring down being escorted into the hands of a blood-thirsty criminal kingpin. <p> <p>So. What were the options, really? Let Greedo escort him to Jabba? Dead. Make a run for it and prompt Greedo to shoot him? Dead, because Greedo still can collect a bounty that way. Really, shooting Greedo was the only way out of that situation. It might be impressive, but it's not the cold-blooded badassery that people like to think it is.

  • July 2, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST

    TESB was the high water mark for Star Wars

    by disfigurehead

    Fuck everything else after that.

  • Except for the word "Solo".

  • Great way to describe what has happened. He's taken what he saw as practical mistakes or FX issues and simply turned them into digital mistakes. LoL

  • July 2, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Kasdan wasn't involved in Indy 2 or 3 either

    by StarWarsRedux

    and Lucas had asked him to join on for the Prequels, but hey-- he had other things to do at that point. Like "Mumford" or "Dreamcatcher", apparently. <p> <p>At any rate, Kasdan is much more responsible for the quality of ESB and ROTJ than the combined efforts of Gary Kurtz, Irvin Kershner, Marcia Lucas and the cleaning lady at ILM or whoever's next on the list of the fanboy credit. The most important collaborator Lucas had next to Ralph McQuarrie and John Williams. I'd say he's maybe even more instrumental to the success of "Raiders" than Spielberg. That script in anybody's hands practically could've directed itself. Granted, everything else he's done isn't really all that great, but whatever.

  • July 2, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST

    stereotypical evil archer why does "han shot first" confuse you?

    by FleshMachine

    greedo had his gun pointed at han. han slipped his gun out of his holster. they had guns pointed at each other. han shot first. why does this confuse you?

  • July 2, 2012, 3:42 p.m. CST

    STAR WARS, like texas chainsaw massacere, was great by accident.

    by FleshMachine

    empire was great because it had a real writer and a real director. same with jedi. the prequels suck because lucas had complete control. he had complete control with star wars but that film was miraculously saved in the editing suite. the rough cuts are fucking AWful.

  • It was to show that his character was a contrast to the noble and honorable Ben Kenobi and the wide eyed full of optimism but naive Luke Skywalker. Han was like an experienced gunslinger who had been around the block. He wasn't foolish enough to let someone like Greedo get the upper hand on him, whether Greedo was gonna shoot him or take him prisoner and deliver him to Jabba. No, shooting Greedo actually is more about showing how Han is no pushover, and is a dude who rubs shoulders with some shady characters in this weird galactic criminal underworld. If I remember correctly, Leia calls Han's honor into question later on Yavin when they are preparing to attack the approaching Deathstar. The fact that Han had to get the bounty on his head cleared instead of dying in what looked like a lost cause was all reinforced in his survival instinct shown at the Cantina. It doesn't make him a coward, or a heartless bastard. It makes Han look merely like a pragmatist, and someone who is not so foolish as to think just because you are noble and willing to die fighting evil, it doesn't mean you will win. Han running from Yavin to pay off his bounty also helped add to the desperation of the whole buildup to the final battle in Ep. IV. We saw Han handle himself like a pro during the whole film, and he is one of the most experienced dudes among the small rebel faction about to go up against the mighty Deathstar. And he basically says, "fuck it, I'm outta here" cause the situation is so desperate. That is why his return to help Luke at the end is so great and rewarding for the audience. Give your hero, or secondary heroes like Han every chance to turn tail and run, and then when they finally do take up the heroic quest, it is much more satisfying and dramatic. Why does it all have to be so black and white with everything nowadays? A movie either sucks sweaty donkey balls or is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Any given character is seen as either a complete useless pansy or a bad ass mutha who eats fine pussy and voluptuous titties for dessert every night cause they're so awesome and can dispatch a hundred enemies without breaking a sweat. We don't seem to value actual character and any type of strife in fiction anymore. Everyone is either a hero or a villain, with no middle ground or nuance to speak of. I blame the comic book superhero mentality taking over in recent years. Even Lucas has fallen prey to it, with his constant tinkering (aka "ruining") of Star Wars.

  • July 2, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Han is the only one who shot his blaster!!!!

    by Supermans

    When I was watching the remade editions at the movie theater and saw a funky looking, shrunken and tame Jabba and Greedo shooting at all I was like WTH...Like most everybody else. George, change it back..

  • July 2, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST

    The odd thing..Lucas seems...

    by Darth Macchio if he wasn't actually George Lucas, the guy who made Star Wars...but some other guy who came along and saw something most everybody considered fantastic and decided he can make it better so he just goes to town. And, predictably, winds up making it worse. Like someone who would watch a profound and deep movie but completely miss the subtext and then push for a remake focusing on that misunderstanding and then call it a triumph. How could he not understand these moments? It's not like they're subtle or buried under metaphor. That we're even having a conversation about Solo shooting first or not shooting first - the fact that this is happening at all is, to me, proof positive that Lucas simply does not understand the very character he created. How does that happen? It wasn't a budgetary concern that had Han doing what he did back in the day - that was story. Then that story changed. Why? And why is this not universally called out for the bullshit it is? Has there ever been any famous artist that actually went back and changed a finished product after it was released to the public? Many, if not all artists, *want* to fix it up, make it that much better...we all would do that...but again, this is different. I get wanting to make what you create the best it could ever be...even if that means using modern aspects of technology to make better an item released prior to that technology - but changing the actual storyline? That motivation comes from a very different place. Reaching tho it may be - I feel we've been a part of Lucas's neurotic journey on-screen of sorts..some of it to spite the very fans that made him so successful. I was a kid seeing RotJ and even then, in 1983 in the theater, I was (and remain to this day) convinced that Boba Fett's less than noble ending was a pure middle finger from Lucas to the fans who had grown to love Fett better than the characters Lucas wanted us to love. Control freak or an artist with an unfocused vision?

  • July 2, 2012, 4:03 p.m. CST

    lv426, that's a pretty fair assessment of it

    by StarWarsRedux

    I'm not a fan of the Greedo change either, but it's because of how it affects the editing of the scene, not the morality. Really, the extra blast doesn't change Han's character, because he's still just doing the pragmatic thing of shooting a guy who was either going to shoot him or deliver him unto certain death, or worse. <p> <p>It's funny that you mention him being a contrast to Obi-Wan here, because I always saw his scene as very similar to how Old Ben handles the drunken shmuck who threatens Luke at the bar. First he tries to reason with him, and then when the gun comes out he resorts to violence. Obi-Wan comes off as more brutal and cold-blooded, if anything, going from calm to hacking off somebody's limb in the same amount of time it takes a sports car to go from zero to sixty. Han's more measured, more rational. He probably would've just bluffed his way out if Greedo just put down the gun and let him be. He took his time, and gave him plenty of time to back out.

  • Han as a gunslinger who doesn't have the luxury of being a goody two shoes, versus what we have now with the stupid Han and Greedo shoot at the same time re-edit. Go back and look at the original Star Wars/Ep. IV and look at it through the framework of the first half being a lot like a space western (with some eastern samurai film motifs worked in as well). Han is a gunslinger for hire type. Take into account that the western had matured by that point (1977). Lucas was playing with the darker and more realistic elements of the western in the Cantina scene. He's now changed it to reflect a kids movie feeling by taking out any sense of danger and amorality present in the Han and Greedo scene. It is how things are going now with films. Part of why a lot of us love the old stuff (OT Star Wars, Alien, Blade Runner, The Thing '82) is that sometimes movies could work with some more grizzled and less Hollywood looking actors populating a film. I mean, look at how things are today. Harrison Ford, as he looked back in the late 70's to early 80's, would not be allowed to become a star. He'd look too rough and tumble and not enough like a model for Hollywood today. If Star Wars were being done as a new film now, someone like Channing Tatum would play Han Solo. The funny thing is Star Wars is dated, but in a good way. The Star Wars OT stands out amongst all the glossy pretty boy sci-fi and action movies of the current era. The sad fact is that Lucas keeps trying to CGI it into the modern era with all his additions and re-edits, but he only makes it worse by making classics feel as if they are films with one foot planted in the past, while the other foot tries to stay in step with the ever advancing digital movie tech of the present. Then to top it all off, he's fucked up the story in some ways with all this tinkering. It would be one thing if it were only cosmetic changes here or there, like in the master shot approaching Mos Eisley, or the Cloud City background plates redone for Empire, but nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! Lucas has to muck up the story too.

  • That to me is worse than the Han/Greedo changes.

  • July 2, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST

    okay, you lost me there, LV

    by StarWarsRedux

    The Prequels may have a lot of kiddie stuff here and there, but in a sense they're darker and more grizzled in the extremes they put to film. Qui-Gon doesn't pull an Obi-Wan style disappearing act-- he's impaled onscreen by Darth Maul, who's next chopped in half with a faint blood cloud, to boot. Anakin's mom gets kidnapped, tied up and probably raped over and over again by the Sand People (it is a big "Searchers" homage after all), and Anakin himself pulls a My Lai by butchering the whole village, after. And then we have ROTS, which is basically the SW equivalent of a snuff film with Anakin set on fire at the end. You win some, lose some.

  • July 2, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST

    starwarsredux -- Han versus Obi Wan brutality

    by lv_426

    Good call on that. Personally I never had a problem with either encounter in the Cantina. I never thought ill of either Han or Obi Wan doing what they had to do to survive when provoked by dangerous characters in each situation. Like I said, Mos Eisley was on the frontier so to speak, and was like a frontier town in a western movie. You can't be a goody two shoes dipshit and just walk into a place like that and not have your eyes out for trouble. I'll take a character that is smart but maybe uses violence over a goody two shoes who gets killed by being an overly optimistic dipshit who can't defend themselves. We can also look at Han and Obi Wan being examples for Luke. During the Cantina sequence, Luke still has an air of naivety to him. He has both an arc in Ep. IV, and one for the whole trilogy. If they had made Luke start out as a dude who can easily handle himself, the whole reliability of wide-eyed farm boy getting caught up in galactic affairs would have been lost. Han and Obi Wan are there as allies, but also as mentors and as an example of older wiser men who show Luke the need of being able to handle yourself, and use physical or violent action when needed. Also, Han being too noble means he is just going to be too much like Luke, and thus we then have two characters that are too alike, meaning we wouldn't need Han then for the story. We can't forget the entertainment value of the banter between Luke and Han later on in the Deathstar. If they were the same type of character, then there would be less tension and conflict, which wouldn't have been as fun and exciting to watch them go through their ordeal to save Leia and escape the Deathstar ("don't get cocky kid"). Han can't say stuff like that to Luke if he isn't established as a more experienced type of character who has been around and through some rough stuff in his past.

  • July 2, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST

    LV-- yeah, it's all about context

    by StarWarsRedux

    I mean, Han shooting Greedo, as I said, isn't just about being cool or being an antihero. It's about staying alive. But compared with the Obi-Wan scene, it's also a repetition that immediately ups Han to the same level that Kenobi's at. Kenobi entered with an act of violence that immediately put him and Luke on a level above everybody else, and so does Han. I'm reminded of how some convicts will go out of their way to beat the shit out of somebody the first day they enter lock-up just so they make sure everybody knows not to fuck with them. <p> <p>It's not so drooling fanboy losers can look up to them as badasses. It's so the murderous creeps in the Cantina won't try and pull a fast one on them, lest they lost a limb or something more vital. It establishes Mos Eisley as a dangerous place, more than anything else, and that doesn't really change in the SE cut.

  • July 2, 2012, 4:26 p.m. CST

    @starwarsredux - I see your bullshit and call

    by jazzdownunder

    So there's this guy that (we learn) some bad ass called "Jabba" has put a bounty on - dead or alive. So I see this walking cash pinata in a bar and I am going to go over and tell him that the game is up and I'm taking him in for the bounty. What? Should I take him flowers? This guy has a bad rap - a bit of a loose canon. Shit, he has a price on his head FFS! Sure as SHIT I'm gonna have my blaster pulled - THAT's self-defence. If I was going to just gun the guy down and take the "dead' bounty I wouldn't even risk a confrontation. This seemingly simple and inconsequential moment in the movie is layered in depth that tells us a LOT about this "Han" character that we've only just met. He's dangerous. He's cunning. He's not to be trusted. Yet our heroes have just put their lives in his hands. OMG - whassgonnahappen .. ???! I'm not analysing after the fact - this is what my 6 year old self thought of Han in those first moments. If he's just some pussy whipped taxi driver that only shoots in self-defence without any arc toward a character with greater integrity, honour and trustworthiness then he's nothing more than a taxi ride to Alderaan for Luke and Ben and there is no point to the scene at all. Especially not when verbatim dialog then crops up moments later in the conversation with Jabba himself (another pointless and devaluing addition imho - faceless "Jabba", with the power to put a price on a man's head and have people hunting men down was more menacing than the reasonable, negotiating slug face we now see him to be). His reveal in Jedi fits the idea of a despotic tyrant, ruling with an iron fist from his debauched, highly protected lair from which he longer ventures. Sliding around Tattooine with a couple of henchies makes him a risible farce. Not at all menacing or dangerous. And it ALL comes back to the change in the cantina scene and the space port.

  • July 2, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Jazz-- Greedo pulled his gun first.

    by StarWarsRedux

    Bounty hunters and assassins don't get to claim self-defense.

  • July 2, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST

    I saw this 20 times in the theater in the first year

    by Rupee88

    Being 10 y/o when Star Wars came out was just about perfect timing.

  • July 2, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I agree with the comment about Yoda plugging phones...

    by jellypop

    This is the only image my kids get today of Star Wars. Cheap, pointless T.V. Ads that in no way translate the power these characters once had. When my son is old enough ( Long way to go) I'll sit him down and we'll watch Star Wars, Empire and Jedi and I hope he'll feel what I felt when I watched them for the first time. I want the mystery and power retained, not spoilt by some pointless requirement to sell a damn mobile phone.

  • July 2, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Greedo sounds like he must have been a gay

    by ajit maholtra

    Oota goota suck your lulla for you?

  • July 2, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Solo shot his semmen first

    by ajit maholtra

    Then it was changed so that Greedo shoots his semmen first but Solo shoots his soon after.

  • He does a hand solo when rubbing his lulli.

  • July 2, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST

    God, isn't it lovely to see the level of discourse rise here.

    by StarWarsRedux

  • July 2, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST

    fleshmachine, before the special editions, ONLY HAN SHOT; this was from 1977 to 1997.

    by Stereotypical Evil Archer

    If "Han shot first," then Greedo still shoots, in the original movie Greedo didn't shoot. "Han shot first" has been a rallying cry for the original trilogy, but it fails semantically and logically. Greedo never shot; only Han shot, Greedo got fried. fleshmachine, English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

  • July 2, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST

    Looked fake as hell...when Greedo shot the Wampa

    by txtone04

  • July 2, 2012, 9:26 p.m. CST

    hey star wars may be for kids and manchildren

    by vetepalapinga

    but bored of the rings is for dorks and fags.

  • July 2, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST


    by HarveyManfrenjenson

    Well said. I actually didn't know they had added *another* fucking scream when Luke falls down the shaft. You're correct that the original scene (where Luke calmly lets himself fall) was a perfect character moment-- it thematically echoes the death of Obi-Wan in SW, and lets us know that Luke has started to master his own emotions. It's really the first scene in which we see Luke behaving like a Jedi. Always liked the "reaction" shot of Vader, too (he simply drops his outstretched hand without displaying any emotion).

  • July 2, 2012, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I too one day hope to make the world hate me as much as lucas.

    by Balkin Flabgurter

    But i would have to be one shitty writer!

  • Yeah, in my book, that's correct and true.

  • July 2, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Fuck Michael Bay.

    by frank

  • July 3, 2012, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Could careless about the changes

    by mister death

    It's not like you can't see an older version even before it was titled changed to "A New Hope." Burn a copy of your VHS tapes to DVD. Done. It's a great photo of a movie that changed movie sci-fi for ever. 2001: a space odyssey deserves much credit as well but it was never accessible to the masses, so the crap sci-fi came back. In the 1970's, sci-fi went from spandex campy shit like Logan's Run to seriously made films like Alien because of Star Wars. Yes, Star Wars could easily have been shit too, nobody on this page can recall the "Star Wars: Thanksgiving Special" nor care if it's on Blu-Ray. Thank the movie gods for miracles!

  • July 3, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST

    It doesn't matter the logic of it; "Han Shot First"

    by Dingbatty

    has a more pleasing cadence than "Only Han Shot." You would fail at advertising/marketing.

  • July 3, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Star Wars just makes me sad now.

    by NeonFrisbee


  • As for Yoda selling phones, so the fuck what? SW has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been merchandised out... Where have u morons been? The 80's had: C3PO Cereal? Vader/Yoda Shampoo bottles? (I have two) R2-D2 cake pan? SW bed sheets and underwear- Underoos anyone? Is that better or worse than cell phones? Research much? Duh. SW is a part of my life since i was 5 and always will be. I will one day share it with my kids as i do my neices and nephews now... They have no clue nor do they care about some trivial changes... It all stems from fat, ugly geeks with nothing else better to do, (god forbid they find a good paying job) who like to pick apart things in between readings of Bored of the Rings...

  • July 3, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST

    There was nothing sinister about Bobba Fett's death...

    by Dan

    He was a henchman... he was not built up by anyone but the fans... him being killed off was just a simple story decision... NOTHING MORE.

  • July 3, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Boba Fett's death was inevitable

    by SergeantStedenko

    Someone had to go into the Sarlacc pit. That said, we all wished for a death scene on par with Quint getting eaten by Jaws.

  • July 3, 2012, 11 a.m. CST

    Han no more shot first than George Zimmerman did

    by SergeantStedenko

    They both just shot. In the case of Zimmerman it's up to a jury to determine if it was a justified murder. In the case of Han Solo, George Lucas took away all the guess work and ambiguity.

  • July 3, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    mister death - great words my friend!!!!

    by Dan

  • July 3, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST

    You Lucas haters need to stop wishing the man dead.

    by Dan

    Do you realize how disgusting and scary that is?

  • July 3, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST

    People are stupid.... here's why...

    by Dan

    I have rips of the originals on DVD- if you want inferior formats to enjoy- bully for you! ... and I also have the blu-rays tucked away for current and future enjoyment. Go find some torrents, get your copies made and shut your gobs up about it. 15 years later and still this is ALL you have to say?????

  • July 3, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST

    FUCK Gary Kurtz....

    by Dan

    The only thing he ever did was fuck himself out of the best job in the world by not doing said job correctly by his boss. Shit happens. So stop with the "if only Kurtz could have been around...."

  • July 3, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST

    George Lucas is stupid... here's why...

    by SergeantStedenko

    What does it hurt George Lucas to include a remastered version of the Original Theatrical Releases of the OT in the Blu-Ray Box Set? I don't believe for a second that George Lucas doesn't have preserved copies of these films. Every other Collectors Box Set of every other movie in the world includes the original theatrical release. As a result of Lucas stubbornness and assholery, I and many other fans have not purchased the new Blu-Ray Box Set. Sure you may say, that Lucas doesn't need our money and that is certainly true, but what he has lost is respect from his truest fans and he has further tarnished a once great artistic creation in the eyes of those who loved it. And that like the commercials say is "priceless."

  • July 3, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Only to the geeks. Most people do not care..

    by Dan

    I'm a fan and I don't care what he does. I have no desire to get into anyones head to know their motivations. That's insanity and it's assholery.

  • July 3, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST

    if the changes do affect you- you are a pussy.

    by Dan

    Get the fuck over it. Bored of the Rings sucks and Obama is a liar- just facts is all.

  • July 3, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Luke Does NOT scream in Empire...

    by Dan

    I have the blus, NO scream......

  • July 3, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Zodlove, you're right, the changes do not affect me

    by SergeantStedenko

    Because, I have made the decision to never watch those versions of the movies ever again. Just like my boycott won't mean a shit of difference to Lucas, I will not miss watching shitty versions of his films in the least. Actually I should thank Lucas. First, for creating joyous and imaginative childhood memories and second for preventing me from ever wasting another dollar on the garbage he produces now.