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The Kidd Vs. THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN
I wanted SPIDER-MAN 4.
I really was hoping to see what Sam Raimi had left in the tank, after the disappointment that was SPIDER-MAN 3, complete with wedged-in Venom, the sad Sandman and a wasted second Green Goblin… oh, and let’s not even mention dancing emo Peter Parker. Damn… I did it anyway.
In any event, Raimi delivered on two out of his three SPIDER-MAN films, so I was easily ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, knowing there was a lot more studio interference with his third installment, to right the ship. After all, the first two turned out to be more than fine when he was left alone to tell good Spidey stories, not to sell merchandise and cater to the fans’ every whim.
But we never got SPIDER-MAN 4. Even though the band had been put back together, pre-production was halted, script problems were blamed (“How dare you, Sam, want the Vulture?” says the studio) and the plug was ultimately pulled. It felt like the film was set-up to fail, having the rug pulled out from beneath it, leaving Sony oddly with no new piece to its biggest franchise… or did it?
Surprisingly, not too long after, a new Spider-Man film was ready for production, further supporting the idea that another Spidey flick was being put together while SPIDER-MAN 4 was trying to get off the ground, even though its feet were pretty much stapled to the earth. The idea was that they were going to go back again, back to Peter Parker’s early days, around the time he became Spider-Man once more… an origin story of sorts retold, only this time a little different, a little darker, a little edgier, a little more modern, a little unnecessary.
Okay… Marc Webb gets picked to direct… I really like (500) DAYS OF SUMMER. He knows how to handle characters as far as relationships and emotions go, so I’ll go with it.
Andrew Garfield, after his brilliant performance in THE SOCIAL NETWORK, gets the nod as Peter Parker. Alright… he may be a little old to enter the realm of Spidey, considering Tobey Maguire was also getting up there in age and teetering on the verge of being unbelievable for the age range needed, but he can pull off slightly nerdy, so this looks like it can work.
Then you just go down the list… Emma Stone, Rhys Ifans, finally the transformation of Dr. Connors to the Lizard, Denis Leary, Martin Sheen, Sally Field… perhaps this could work. Perhaps rebooting the Spider-Man franchise only a handful of years after Raimi’s inexplicably ended.
But the closer we’ve gotten to THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, the worse my feelings of the film have gotten. The story didn’t sound right. The footage didn’t look right, and, being that Spider-Man is my all-time favorite superhero, for me to not be particularly excited about seeing a Spider-Man movie of any kind, something’s wrong with that. However, as I sat in the theatre, fingers crossed, I still had hope that Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone and the whole cast and crew had somehow pulled it all together and delivered an amazing new Spider-Man film. I don’t want there to be a bad Spider-Man movie. It hurts me enough having to acknowledge SPIDER-MAN 3 already exists. I don’t want another one coming my way.
But all that hope was for naught, because THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN may not have failed as epically as Raimi’s third, but it’s bad… it’s really, really bad… from its unnecessary need to tell a retooled origin story of Spider-Man to its incredibly off-base interpretation of Peter Parker’s internal struggles to the sheer fact that it’s tone deaf about what a Spider-Man movie should be. Sadly, our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man has gotten caught up in a movie with an enormous web of problems.
Let’s start tonally first. This isn’t a fun, comic-y Spider-Man story at all. In addition to the abandonment issues Peter Parker deals with as a result of his parents suddenly walking out of his life at a young age, which are simply introduced and then forgotten about later (most likely to be addressed more deeply in the coming chapters of another prospective trilogy), THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN attempts to borrow heavily from the success of THE DARK KNIGHT by adding some attitude, some edge to our hero. The only problem with such an idea is that it doesn’t work for Spider-Man. It’s a perfect fit for Batman. His parents were murdered. He’s out for vengeance. He has no super powers. It makes sense to ground that story in some type of reality. Sure, the fantastical approach had worked for the character previously, between the Adam West TV show and the Burton/Schumacher films, but what Christopher Nolan wanted to do worked, because Bruce Wayne/Batman has an inherent dark cloud over him already by the very nature of his creation. That doesn’t work for a teenager bitten accidentally by a radioactive spider, who develops super powers as a result. Do you know how ridiculous that would sound in real life? A film like CHRONICLE played with taking the superhero genre in a more realistic way, but Josh Trank’s film also didn’t have characters with the ability to scale walls on their own or with the super smarts to build web shooters in order to swing all around the city. There’s something off about trying to place a man with abilities like a spider in the real world, and, as a result, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN largely feels off. It’s way too serious for its own good, sucking all the fun out of what should be a lively superhero property, not one so drab.
As a result of forcibly trying to be dark at all times, when it’s necessary for THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN to actually head into that territory, it’s meaningless, because those moments look and feel like everything else. Uncle Ben’s death… yeah, that’s a pretty big moment in the Spider-Man Universe, and the very incident that prompts Peter Parker to use his great power with great responsibility moving ahead for the benefit of society. That’s not the case, which leads to an even bigger problem with the character itself, which I’ll get to momentarily. But the death of Uncle Ben is so clunky and poorly done, involving a convenience store robbery, Peter Parker spitefully choosing not to help, though he’s probably not in a position to do any good even if he did, and Uncle Ben wandering into the wrong place at the wrong time and then entering into a struggle for a gun. You never get the sense that Peter Parker is even remotely responsible for Uncle Ben’s death, or that there’s any reason he would ever blame himself… and that’s essential to Peter Parker becoming Spider-Man. He should bear this huge cross of guilt and self-blame, but, because of how THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN presents it, none of that is apparent.
Choosing a more wordy play on the “With great power comes great responsibility” creed that’s become synonymous with Spidey, such an idea feels incorporated into the film more like a slave to the mythology than something prevalent in the story, because THE AMAZING SPIDER0MAN certainly doesn’t practice what it preaches. Peter Parker doesn’t choose to be Spider-Man to do right by what happened to his uncle, never forcing someone else to go through his pain. Instead he becomes Spider-Man solely to seek vengeance on his uncle’s escaped killer. That’s right… Spider-Man becomes Spider-Man for revenge’s sake. Peter Parker goes after criminals who only fit the description of Uncle Ben’s murderer. If he happens to stop other crime along the way, so be it… but this isn’t the Peter Parker who is using his powers to help others. This is a Peter Parker using those powers for his own selfish reasons, which is what set the chain of events off that wound up killing Uncle Ben. Therefore, Peter Parker doesn’t learn from his own mistakes, leaving us with a Spider-Man that isn’t consistent with any type of Spider-Man I’ve come to love.
Let me get back to the origin story though, because, for the first 45 minutes of the film, there’s a sense of déjà vu to everything you’re seeing… probably because you’ve already seen this part of Spider-Man’s tale told just 10 years prior. There are some tweaks as to where Peter gets bitten and how it goes down, but essentially it’s all “been there, done that.” Making it even worse is that Raimi’s initial film managed to capture the marvel (no pun intended) of Peter’s transformation from mild-mannered teen geek to superhero. Webb’s does no such thing. It feels so paint-by-numbers that when the film tries to get into second gear with its second transformation of Dr. Connors (Rhys Ifans) to the Lizard, you’re not all that interested. The film has taken a familiar path that now feels long-winded to get you there that all of the excitement of seeing the Lizard finally committed to a movie has been drained.
I get why the origin story is there. There seems to be a need to re-establish Peter Parker in the body of Andrew Garfield. However, that idea seems to operate under the premise that most people don’t know how Spider-Man came to be, which I can’t imagine to be the case. Starting with Peter Parker already in full-blown Spider-Man mode may have been a wiser choice, because it capitalizes on the unfulfilled desire to see the Lizard (something Raimi didn’t have the time to get to… poor Dylan Baker) right away rather than making us sit through an all too familiar History of Spidey segment that lacks spark.
Do you know what else lacks spark? The interaction between Peter Parker and Gwen Stacy (Emma Stone), which when first introduced plays very genuinely as there’s this innate awkwardness to watching two teenagers trying to act cool around each other when there’s a mutual attraction. But whatever chemistry might exist between them is quickly cast aside to become a lesser part of the overall story in order to concentrate on the other aspects of Peter’s life. It feels at times as if there’s a romantic interest for Peter just because there should be, or in order to create a subject of peril for future episodes. There definitely is something between Stone and Garfield, but beyond their opening and more intimate scenes, Webb does a shoddy job of continuing to build their romance, almost like the effort of showing them together in the beginning is enough to last the rest of the film. It’s all so rushed, as evidenced by Peter revealing his secret identity on their first real date, and, even as one of the positives of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN for a short time, it manages to quickly be turned into a negative.
By the way, can someone please stop Spider-Man from taking his mask off ALL THE TIME?! I believe Peter Parker is unmasked no less than three times during the film, including once at his own hands the very first time he appears in full Spider-Man costume. The audience knows that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. It’s not that difficult of a thread to follow, so stop treating us as idiots who have to constantly be reminded that the guy under the mask is in this case Andrew Garfield. What kind of a secret identity is this if everyone gets to see for themselves?
As for the Lizard… well, it’s cool to see him finally get his due, even if his appearance is a little off facially. But with Webb going for a Spider-Man grounded in reality, having a eight-foot-tall reptile walking and talking around the streets of New York City doesn’t exactly match what you’re going for. Just to go back to Nolan’s Batman films for a second, since his vision clearly influenced what Webb is shooting for here in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, there’s a reason the more fantastical villains of Gotham City weren’t chosen. They simply don’t fit that world. The Lizard doesn’t fit this world of Spider-Man. He’s a large mass of special effects that doesn’t feel like he belongs, and, while Ifans does his best to make Connors a victim of his own circumstances, of trying to push the limits of science for a specific corporate agenda, there’s not nearly enough sympathy for who Connors is and what he’s trying to accomplish. He’s missing an arm, and yet that’s not the primarily reason he’s working on the cross-species genetic formula he’s working on. Therefore, when things go awry, it’s not a matter of him trying to do the right thing. It’s him being forced into it by another party, making his choice far less tragic.
The motivations of the Lizard then quickly become bizarre – something about no longer healing the imperfections of humans as they are, but surpassing them, but, once he crosses paths with Spidey, it’s as if nothing else the movie has built to then even exists. What happens to the corporate crony the Lizard is chasing after? Forgotten once Spider-Man bursts onto the scene. What about that search for Uncle Ben’s killer? Halted once the Lizard arrives. So why even bother feeding us these details along the way, if you’re just going to forget about them later on? Am I supposed to remember them with ease in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 2, when the first film forgets about those loose ends about halfway through? Just another example of the careless story-telling that goes into this far from amazing superhero entry.
I will say Webb has managed to make a beautiful looking film in THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, with the web-slinging taking full advantage of the better technology available to surpass what Raimi’s films did in transporting Spidey around the city. The action sequences are nicely shot, too, even if they contain no action. Seriously, it’s just Spider-Man shooting his webs at the Lizard, using them to blind him or tie him up or subdue him… but there’s not a punch of a kick thrown in the Lizard’s direction, rendering the action scenes action-less. And the point-of-view shots of what it’d look like to be behind the mask of Spider-Man, which the film cuts to three or four times, are distracting, ripped directly from a first-person shooter video game. They’re drenched in CGI, and, much like the Lizard, don’t fit in the scope of the rest of the film, which is trying to desperately to be grounded in reality.
THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN just never feels like a Spider-Man movie, which is incredibly unfortunate since that’s what it’s trying so hard to be. Garfield and Stone are fine in what the roles call for them to be, but, outside of them, it’s just one misstep after another in the direction of where they want this new Spider-Man series to go. Sheen and Field don’t exude those warm grandparent feelings you should get from Uncle Ben and Aunt May. Denis Leary’s Captain Stacy draws too much from the mold of J. Jonah Jameson in creating a civilian opposition to Spider-Man, and Parker’s interactions with Flash Thompson at school feel like someone was watching a lot of TEEN WOLF when they penned the script.
There may be problems through Raimi’s trilogy of films, including just about all of SPIDER-MAN 3, but none of them missed the mark as badly as this one. There are now two bad Spider-Man movies out there, and one of them is THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN. I wish there wasn’t such a rush to do something, anything Spider-Man so closely to Raimi’s films, because unless they were just going to recast and keep going, the franchise could have used a break. A refresh like this may have worked 10-15 years down the line, but now, with Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Willem Dafoe, James Franco, Alfred Molina, etc., still fresh in our minds, this comes through as a weaker copy. The breathing room might have helped, but the closeness that was opted for in its place instead suffocates Spider-Man with an untold story that feels pretty well told and rather inconsistent with what we’ve come to know and love of our friendly neighborhood web-head.
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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Readers Talkback
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The Saturday Night Fever sequence and the jazz bar dance number are THE BEST PARTS OF Spider-Man 3!
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do you hate every movie that comes out? stop shitting on every film you see
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In the Raimi films, it felt like he took his mask off every other scene. (Those eyeholes must be a pain to see through, anyway.) Guess the studio wants us to see who they're paying for.
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C'mon...be honest.
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...But that's what Karma will do to you for screwing with Raimi. The trailer looked like it had potential, but this review will keep me wasting my cash on a poor imitation.
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June 29, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
"further supporting the idea that another Spidey flick was being put together while SPIDER-MAN 4 was trying to get off the ground" This is CONFIRMED
by D.Vader
The story that said Spider-Man 4 was being cancelled said they were going with a reboot script that had already been written. Sony wanted an excuse to get rid of Raimi and pressured him.
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June 29, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
Spidey is also MY all-time favorite super hero... And I'm just not interested.
by D.Vader
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I find myself disliking the original trilogy more and more as time goes on. I think Toby McGuire was horribly miscast. Very eager to see this new one!
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Srsly, your "reviews" are just hating on every blockbuster movie that comes out. Not every film should be an art house indie shit-tasticle. Try having fun watching a movie once.
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The bandwagon shit it getting old, Maguire was great as Spidey and is a damn fine actor who made that first film what it was. Raimi nailed the tone, fun and overall kicked ass bringing Spidey to the screen. It's aged a little, but the movie is 10 years old and very much a product of it's time, still a damn fine movie.
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June 29, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST
"Choosing a more wordy play on the “With great power comes great responsibility” creed that’s become synonymous with Spidey, such an idea feels incorporated into the film more like a slave to the mythology than something prevalent in the story, because T
by D.Vader
What the hell.
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June 29, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
"Peter Parker goes after criminals who only fit the description of Uncle Ben’s murderer." ....???
by D.Vader
Oh THAT is terrible.
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Addresses a lot of the concerns I have with the movie. I've always loved Spidey, but I just could not get into this movie from the previews and marketing which just felt like a big step sideways from a thematic level. Hoping it would be a surprise like XMen First Class, but something in my gut tells me that this is nothing more than a rental.
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June 29, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
I love when big genre movies are this polarizing. It leads me to go into it with complete objectivity.
by AzulTool
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June 29, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
This will be a rental for me, only because I am curious to see what Webb has done.
by Pigdog
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i sort of (and dont take this as an insult) "grew out of" spidey and got into other characters instead but i wanna get back into reading him. there's stuff like ultimate spidey and i sorta like bendis but his dialogue and characterisation annoys the crap out of me most of the time. what else is there in the classic 'amazing spider-man' title?
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I said, "no comment". What were you expecting below that?
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In a year of John Carter, Battleship, and so many other (less spectacular) underperformers, I wonder if Spiderman will pull through. Sure, Avengers is doing great, but I just think the too soon factor may just kill this one. Kidd seems to be a full-on Spidey geek, and he doesn't seem to care for it. That doesn't bode well, if he represents the common Spiderman fan. I think it's way too soon for the general movie going public to get excited about a new Spiderman. Women are apparently all excited about something called Magic Mike - and while I've heard that the movie is relationship heavy with potential appeal to the Twilight crowd, it really hasn't been marketed that way. Could be dangerous times for Sony. Wish them the best, and personally hope the movie is great, but I'm skeptical.
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I've heard the chemistry between Stone and Garfield is actually very good and that Garfield is a great Peter Parker. So basically, opinions are like assholes, so I'll wait until I only have to smell my own. Fart on, Kidd.
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Please explain.
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Harry nuts on every film he sees and Kidd dumps on every one he sees...
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Who do I trust? What's a girl to do? Did I leave the oven on?
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i believe in the sony flicks, its the studio who wants the face of the star to be seen...cuz they are twits in the marvel movies,its mostly the star...i think downey has it in his contract that his face has to be constantly shown during action scenes this is a good review and shows the giant misstep that sony made and of course andy and emma have chemistry...she is his beard
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June 29, 2012, 2:48 p.m. CST
kidd, raimi never got to the lizard, cuz sony wouldnt allow him
by walt
said they couldnt do a villain without a human face
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June 29, 2012, 2:49 p.m. CST
So basically, the issues we've all identified have been shown to be true
by wcolbert
Garfield never looked like a Peter Parker to begin with - what with the "I'm too cool to comb my hair when I roll out of bed" look. We all spotted the incredibly unnecessary elements (seriously, within 10 years you tell the SAME ORIGIN STORY twice?) ...every scene we have been showed seemed a bit off - something about them bothered me. He's now been reduced to a spiteful little shit who probably caused his uncle's death in a way and goes flitting about like some gayed-up version of Nolan's Batman, trying to be the "vengeance" the city needs or some crap like that. Boo hoo, my parents, wah, wah...most families are dysfunctional, nobody cares, move on. Whipping his mask off every 3 seconds, trying to cater to this generation of teens (who may be one of the dumbest generations ever, but nobody is impressed by POV video game shots - it is not cool, stop it)...and most of all walking around trying to one-up and modernize aspects of the Raimi films (all of which came out in the last 10 years and so dont NEED to be modernized) only serve to embarass it more. Any time a director says "Ok, we're going to make it "cooler", more modern, and do some of this, and you know what else would be sweet? A little of this right here, maybe a FPS sequence, too"...you know you're in for a clusterfuck.
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kidd is not alone
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June 29, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
Kidd your "wordy" complaint about the "Great Power" line was EXTREMELY wordy
by D.Vader
I couldn't understand what the hell you were trying to say.
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You must know Follywood by now?They want to turnout cash cows because making money is #1 and they are a business after all,...and I have no problem with that. If you need more info,let me know. All the best.
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I'd read it off and on but I loved certain ideas, like Kraven the Hunter being a reality show guy like The Crocodile Hunter. And Sam Raimi makes a movie about the Spider-Man hero of New York City (this happens in the comics). As for Spider-Man, I was a kid when they introduced Carnage so I was always a big fan of that storyline. It forced Spider-Man to team up with Venom to take out his evil "son". For a Spidey storyline that *always* gets great reviews, read "Kraven's Last Hunt".
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June 29, 2012, 2:53 p.m. CST
I only had three problems with the first two Raimi movies
by rev_skarekroe
1) Green Goblin's suit - couldn't they have at least wrapped him in purple rags or something? 2) Spidey's mask coming off all the time - movie studios hate not having the star's face showing. 3) Spidey never cracking wise - it's kinda what he's known for.
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ditko running into romita....with the intro of mj in between great soap....amazing that girls didnt get into the comic...cuz its really pure soap
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...I'll probably go see it.
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Kravens Last Hunt....A great spiderman story
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June 29, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
Can we admit that like KotCS, Spiderman 3 has flaws, but isn't entirely awful.
by openthepodbaydoorshal
I especially like the sandman trying out his new body scene, and the Franco/Goblin vs Parker fight is well staged and edited. But yea, there's a lot to dislike.
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June 29, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
"a more wordy play on the “With great power comes great responsibility” creed"
by buggerbugger
Oh? Is it as bad as Rob Zombie's laugh-tastic: "Was that the boogeyman?" "As a matter of fact, I do believe it may have been, but I wouldn't swear under oath, if I'm being entirely honest."
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in the raimi movies, spidey takes off his mask once every movie i hated it, but at least when he did it, raimi went out of his way to make it make sense...not taking off the mask to give to some brat goblin is wearing a battle suit that he designed...rags? are you frickin nuts? spidey cracks wise in all the fights...its just not constant like in the comics...where lee and the rest of the writers felt empty space would be bad stop lying
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bendis is a wordy motherfucker
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bendis is a wordy motherfucker
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June 29, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
rev_skarekroe, good list, but I will add one more to your list.
by Yamato
Doc Ock getting beat up and still functioning. How many times was Doc Ock physically hit, and hit hard in SM 2. He is just a normal man, and anyone of Peter's punches (or coin bags thrown in the face) which connected should have ended the fight. This is because Rami missed the whole point of Spidey vs Ock fights. The challenge was to get past the arms to hit him, just a small hit from Spidey was enough to win, it was just he had such a hard time getting past the arms.
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which is to say, I got a total sense of deja vu watching Red Dragon, having seen Manhunter about 100 times previously. I knew every beat that was coming beforehand and as a result the film suffered for it. No doubt that plays a part in my feelings about Red Dragon, which seemed pretty flat and lifeless. I find Manhunter to be vastly superior, partially because, despite Red Dragon being a far more faithful adaptation, telling of the story...
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In the first one its practically blown off his face by a pumpkin bomb. In the second one its damaged and he can't see out of it, so yes I think there he actually *does* take it off, but he's in the middle of a fight. And in Part 3... I don't recall how it ends up off his face at the end, actually...
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June 29, 2012, 3:06 p.m. CST
Who else stopped reading this after the first two paragraphs....
by Punisherthunder
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So I'm hopeful that this will turn out better.
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June 29, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
Spiderman 4? Vulture-ess? Anne Hathaway? Ugliest chick on the planet. Why is she popular?
by Punisherthunder
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June 29, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
D. Vader - Kidd your "wordy" complaint about the "Great Power" line was EXTREMELY wordy
by P
Isn't it ironic?
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June 29, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
thx d.vader....now just waiting for the "tobey always cried" posts
by walt
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Yes thank you for being honest and straightforward and not sucking Sony's d*ck when you wrote this review. And yes Spider-Man cannot keep his mask on but this was a problem with the Raimi films too. They clearly feel that you can't relate to the character with the mask on and go out of their way to get it off at any time. Iron Man pretty much always manages to keep his helmet on when he is suited up and in battle and it works fine so not sure why they don't do this with Spidey.
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Darker and having an edge is a good thing.
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Then it just got stupid and the way Venom was handled was awful too.
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How can you say this movie borrows heavily off the success of another movie (THE DARK KNIGHT RISES) when it has yet to be released and or reviewed yet?
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and note how many times they show downey inside the suit
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June 29, 2012, 3:13 p.m. CST
Going on anecdotal evidence based on opinions of casual-moviegoing friends, I don't think people are that jazzed for this.
by Pvt. Duke
But I am thirty now, so maybe I'm losing touch. Or maybe I'm losing touch, but people still don't give a crap about this movie.
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Who's the *second* ugliest chick on the planet, in your estimation? Just trying to get a feel for your standards.
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He doesn't hate every movie that comes out..he hates every shitty movie that comes out. It's not his fault that some of you like the taste of shit. Somehow I think his IQ is about 20-30 pts higher than many of you who don't understand why he dislikes so many films.
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June 29, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
Yet another review letting me know this movie is shit. Hate to say I told you so.
by bat725
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That's really all you need to see to know this movie is another epic letdown. Fuck the whole thing. Give it back to Marvel and RE-FUCKING-BOOT this piece of shit until the turd has been adequately polished. Seriously, Spider-man with YELLOW FUCKING EYES. WHy? WHYYYYYYYYYY?????? Between that and the constant mask doffing, I say FUCK YOU, makers of this spider tripe.
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June 29, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
So it's too dark for kids and too dull for adults. Who's the audience?
by Quake II
I smell a bomb on the horizon.... Green Lantern numbers this weekend? 50-60 million? Get your bets in folks.
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... is trying to impress us with how much he knows about movies, filmmaking, etc. Or that he's a self-styled "expert." I gave up on this review pretty quickly. Seems like he never likes anything, so talk about "been there, done that"...
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... I still need to see it for myself, but at this point, we can hope it IS bad and Marvel Studios gets it back.
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June 29, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
Kidd, that article couldn't sound any more like you've got a chip on your shoulder.
by Playkins
Breath and enjoy the ride, brother.
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June 29, 2012, 3:25 p.m. CST
And the backlash to The Kidd's nonexistent negative review for THE AVENGERS continues...
by TopHat
You really need to grow up guys.
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the origin of the Sandman was a fantastic scene. But, there is nothing good about KotCS. At all. Nothing.
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I agree with the mask thing. I HATE it when Tony Stark is in costume with his helmet down. And Captain America without his mask...Ugh. Raimi's Spider-Man films were the WORST offenders of the bunch. We know who's in the costume. People are actually fairly evolved. We can remember the actor that we just saw put on the costume 3 minutes ago is STILL the person inside of it. Really!
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June 29, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
Didn't much care for the Raimi trilogy....
by Joey_Jo_Jo_Junior_Shabadoo
and not too excited for this one either. I'll just wait 5 years for the next reboot. Would have loved to see James Cameron's version though. That would have been so fucking epic.
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ya...epic
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Yeah good point but at least he keeps his mask on . But yes that is a bit of a "cheat" to show him in the mask as well.
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June 29, 2012, 3:34 p.m. CST
Wow, this is actually going up on RottenTomatoes, Ebert and Travers both praised it. Who to believe.
by SergeantStedenko
Then again Ebert also loved Prometheus.
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Even with the Black Costume in the comics, it was just ok. Spidey 3 was all Dark Spidey and look at that. Raimi caught the spirit of Spiderman in his films even in the third one with the first hour of Peter and MJ together being all nerdy. This looks like a Batman wanna-be when it really should be a Donner Superman wanna-be.
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Would have been better than that lame upside down kiss. There's an avatar sequel talkback around here somewhere, the rest of the trolls are missing you there.
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June 29, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST
Nine paragraphs of bitching about a movie you imagined before you review the one that actually exists
by Adelai Niska
A bit of an axe to grind, mayhaps?
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June 29, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
UhOh. I'm going to L.A. this weekend. Tom Cruise is probably going to be wilding. I better seal my asshole with Quickcrete.
by AzulTool
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This guy is a clown, and this will be better than all the Raimi films.
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and too full, of commas, if you get, what I mean.
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while he gave 3 stars to avengers,his review reads like a 2 and he rips the genre and its fans travers and rs havent been credible since the 60s does capone have more cred than the kidd?
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the plots from the first 2 movies are basically from the comics...just modified seriously...if you guys dont like spidey...say so
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June 29, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
im a troll cuz i read cameron's really twisted effed up script?
by walt
had that script been produced, there would never be a single super movie made after it
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Hung in there waiting for a Zooey(sp?) tit shot. Never happened.
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and this pretty much confirms what I saw. Not liked any of the movies so far, though I'm warming to the first Rami one. Shame Marvel can't get the rights back.
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June 29, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST
I mean really...I go to the movies to ESCAPE reality, ya know?
by Isaac R.
Been dealing with relationship bullshit my whole life...lol
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According to Kid's logic. Really?
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Explain why you hated the first Spiderman. Apart from a few updated plot points, Raimi nailed the origin story.
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Gained two sequels for a reason. It was pretty faithful to the comic in telling the origin. If you've ever read Amazing Fantasy 15 then you'll know what I mean. It was geek gold. The second I didn't like as much. The third doesn't deserve all of the hate. Didn't live up to expectations = Geek Hate.
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I never read the script, just have faith in the man's ability. Can you give me another example of what you are referring to, out of curiosity? Is it available online anywhere? If so, I'll read it, and perhaps return with a more qualified opinion. And I don't naturally dislike Spiderman, I was just dissapointed by the Raimi movies.
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http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/spider-man-scriptment.html
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Because it's getting mostly positive feedback from Rotten Tomatoes. Even Capone from this very site has praised it. At this point, the consensus seems to be it's at least on par if not better than the first Spider-Man and certainly better than Spider-Man 3.
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June 29, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
and please read the entire script. the movie wouldve looked great
by walt
but cameron, like a lot of filmmakers, thinks he knows better than the creators what makes spider-man tick
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Its so obvious that these so called internet movie critics where always going to bash the new spidey. They are just butt hurt that there precious Raimi was booted of the franchise. And this Kidd idiot is the worst thing to happen to this site in a long time........... and thats saying something.
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really need to be told again how pr plants dont exist, when we are fed the same talking points over and over, whenever there is a negative review interesting that rt has been attacked, when that site hasnt posted even half of the neg reviews that have gone up
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and as for Ebert's review? He's all over the place on anything other than straight up dramas. As I recall he gave positive reviews to both of the Garfield the Cat movies. Thank goodness there is at least one reviewer here that isn't a studio ass clown.
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I think I'll re-watch Raimi's first two again and save my movie ticket money for another film (Rhymes with Catman!) I realize it's cool now to jump on the Raimi hate. Spidey 3 basically opened those floodgates right up, but everyone loved the first two, including those here when it came out. Flip flopping your opinion on the Internet is going to change the quality of the movies. And thankfully the quality is high. Tonally I thought they were near perfect. Oh, and they were fun. The Amazing Spider-man looks the opposite. I'll save my money and watch the Blu-rays of Spidey 1 & 2. And after a weed break, I'll throw in the Blu-ray of Darkman to top it off.
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June 29, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST
Pathetic review. and the last straw. goodbye forever jerkoffs.
by dahveed1972
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June 29, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST
I really don't think we'll get a perfect spiderman movie until Marvel gets back the rights to him..
by Darius
I mean the first spidey movie was cool, I can watch that probably 3 times in a day(even can recite lines word for word lol) the second was boring at times but still watchable, then the 3rd...lets just say i wanted to kill someone after i saw it. And now this "amazing" spiderman movie that I already had no hope for and after reading this review already confirmed what I already know was messed up. the only reason I'm even seeing this now is cause my friend wants to, me however, I wouldn't mind skipping out on this one
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June 29, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
Second ugliest superhero movie chick...Maggie Gyllenhaal....shit what a face!
by Punisherthunder
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June 29, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
This will still make 10 billion dollars at the international BO.
by Gary Makin
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So far everything I am reading tells me that it's actually a really good film. It seems like the only ones that don't like it are the people who didn't want to like it in the first place. It may not be completely pitch perfect to the comics, but there are a ton of us out there who don't read comics and just enjoy movies. I haven't seen it yet and if it does suck then I will say it sucks, but I can't believe that it is getting this much hate from so called "die-hards". I never read one comic and personally thought the Raimi movies got worse with each one. Even the first one has an extremely cheesy script.
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that's all I have to say. not gonna read any reviews until I have seen it. this site spoils way too much shit.
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if the comics were not good, would anyone have ever bothered making them into movies? and if this is the case, should the movies not reflect the tone of the comics? should the story lines from the comics not be respected? you may have found them cheesy...most did not and pray tell...if you didnt like the first, why in the hell did you bother with the other 2....unless you were paid...like you are now
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Every time you cast a new 007, you don't need an origin story. Just pick up on Spidey five years into his career especially since he should be masked much of the film. I have high hopes for this film based on what I experienced at Wondercon with Webb and Stone. Lets hope Kidd is wrong.
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that says an awful lot. This movie sucks but of course a lot of very easily entertained, low IQ people will enjoy it. You can put them in front of flashing lights and shiny objects and they will be happy.
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June 29, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST
Every negative review talks whistfully of the Raimi films.
by Gabe Athouse
To me, they've aged poorly. And I like every change this movie's made that I know of.
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Right, because they've never rebooted James Bond.
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I don't like the Raimi films and I really liked this one. It's not perfect, it suffers from the usual plague of problems that Marvel films have (and the Lizard is very poorly realized as a visual effect), but this film's "edge" and "darkness" and Andrew Garfield's superb acting and the awesome, free-running/parkour-style action sequences made Spidey FINALLY come alive for me. Not a fan of Marvel films here, but this might be the first Marvel film I've wanted to watch a second time.
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because had spidey failed, there would be no more comic related movies but you aholes dont get that...thats what happens when you have the long term memory of a cocker spaniel fetch
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didnt want to see iron man or avengers twice? hmmmmmmm
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Never said the comics were bad. I'm sure they are awesome. Many times however the script of a comic book is not necessarily amazing. Most comics, especially the early ones, are a little cheesy. That is also a product of when they were made. Just because I haven't read the comics, doesn't mean that I don't like super heroes. So it may have nailed the tone, but for someone looking for a well written story, it just isn't. Raimi isn't meant for big budget anyway. His best stuff are campy independent movies that are allowed to amp up the cheese when needed. I saw the first one cause I was genuinely excited to see it and being that I was like 15 when it came out, I thought it was pretty good. So naturally I went to see the second one based on my experience with the first one. I was disappointed and thought it was really cheesy. I rewatched the first and noticed that it was just as cheesy. I only saw the third because I was dragged by friends who offered to pay for my ticket if I came with them. I'm glad I never paid for it because it was one of the worst films I have ever seen. Now everyone is allowed to their opinion, I am just merely commenting on the fact that I feel a lot of "fanboys' as they are called are going into this wanting to hate it, and thus they just hate it.
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("Right, because they've never rebooted James Bond") Yes, but they don't go back and repeat the origin story of James Bond every time they change Bonds. They just tell a new story using a new Bond. That's what the guy you are taking a jab at meant.
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June 29, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
nyjman8028 if you honestly believe anything you just wrote, you dont like superhero movies
by walt
the spidey origin story as written by lee/ditko is a classic the death of gwen stacy, which was also partially used in spidey 1, is also classic neither is cheesy nor is the i am spidey no more story arc that is used in 2 you are allowed your opinion...but i think you are wrong
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June 29, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
Now we'll see if the SPIDER-MAN name is really bigger than any cast/crew
by Koborover
I really hope the producers are proven wrong. If you have to change cast and crew then at least continue the fucking story instead of doing another origin movie. Everyone knows how he became Spidey and what happened to Uncle Ben.
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Fair and balanced. You went in with hopes and expectations, and they weren't met. Whether or not I agree with you is my choice, but I understand where you're coming from. That's really all I expect from a review (unless it's Harry, in which case I'm just thrilled with two or three cogent sentences). So, thank you. Keep it up, you're getting better and I like the frequency of your updates.
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June 29, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
"..the premise that most people don’t know how Spider-Man came to be.."
by KnowItAllFromCali
Many stories get retold over and over. Stage plays get acted over and over by different people - it's all in the performance. This one sounds disappointing, though. Too bad.
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That would be huge. throw in some hulk at the end, why the fuck not? That shit would rain mad money. Personally, I hope this film is better than Kidd says, but I appreciate his honesty. All I care about is seeing Spider-Man swing around on some fucking webs ans shit. I'm easy to please.
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...strikes again. Clueless bastard.
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Sorry man, I saw it earlier in the week and Raimi's films feel as obsolete as Keaton's Batman films after seeing Nolans version. There's still a place in your heart for the original but the newer one just works better. Don't see how a Spidey fan can not really enjoy this movie.
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Do you have to name every review you vs. the film you just watched? I know its part of your shtick and all, but it kind of feels like you're setting up some adversarial relationship every time.
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While this is largely negative, the kidd is right about a lot of this film. I'll probably watch this once again on Blu-ray, but that's it. My take. http://thecrat.com/movie-reviews/the-amazing-spider-man-review-by-adam/
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...Vs. Being A Basement-Dwelling Momma's Boy. Stinking rancid cuntbubble. Sack this fucker now!
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He didn't write a negative review for THE AVENGERS, so shut the fuck up about it you whiny little brats. Stop bitching about his reviews being "too negative" - A LOT of reviewers are giving this movie "negative" reviews. Go read McWeeny's post on HitFix (He used to be "Moriarty" here). If you can't handle any negative opinions, then go to another site or turn off the computer and call your Mommy. I don't know why you people are so worked up about Spider-Man: It happened in 2002 when the first Raimi film came out, too. There's some sort of religious obsession with Spider-Man where any kind of questioning and criticism is considered sacrilege. Maybe it was the fact it came out after 9/11, or maybe its because you guys were kids and are now disillusioned twenty-something's figuring out you'll NEVER get a "MJ" for yourself. Here's a new rule for ya: You can not try to make anyone who has anything negative to say about this movie seem like they worshiped the Raimi films or continue to hold them in reverence today - because YOU did the same thing to them when you were watching them next to your Mommy and Daddy at your bestest friend's Birthday Party at the movies where you got a really cool Spider-Man party bag and totally saw Kirsten Dunst's boobs in the rain scene. You're not Peter. You'll never be Peter. No girl will like you like Gwen. Your parents don't love you like Aunt May does Peter. You can't even skateboard. Andrew Garfield, Emma Stone, and Marc Webb don't give a fuck about you. They're not even reading this. They're too busy walking around outside. Go back to your corners.
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How can this film try to be like a film that doesn't come out for a month?
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Raimi's Spider-Man movies have no real plots. In fact, Peter as Spider-Man is just reactionary to the bad guy. Despite the fact that Dr Octavius was Peter's friend, Peter does nothing to find Doc Ock and help/stop him. He only gets involved when MJ is kidnapped. <p> Same thing for the 1st movie. He only gets involved when the Goblin kidnaps MJ. <p> Guess when Spider-Man gets involved in #3? Yep, when his girlfriend MJ is kidnapped. <p> So faulting the new movie for Peter being selfish yet praising the Raimi SM is baffling. Raimi's Spider-Man defines selfishness. <p> Not defending the new movie. I'll see it, but I'm not really looking forward to it. Origin story yet again and Lizard's face is terrible. You know they made it look more human to portray emotion, but he's an effing lizard. He just needs to snarl and snap. He needs a snout.
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But I'm still gonna give Kidd shit for his terrible writing. I never understand why folks get all twisted when some reviewer doesn't share their opinion.
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June 29, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
tophat what you are witnessing is the end game of a very good marketing campaign
by walt
started at comic con with andy's heartfelt comments about how spidey saved his life, read from a crumpled up piece of paper...wonder which acting exercise that came from, cuz poor andy grew up wealthy and was in brit stage school from an early age...ya, he was a geek like you and me from that point, while the studio continued to praise raimi's work, a meme was created that everything about the first 3 movies was wrong and that meme got downright nasty...right down to attacking those who defend the movies. it has worked. will thjs movie be a success, tracking numbers say yes...but tracking is sometimes wrong its just a very sad way to run a biz
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great marketing campaign it is
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I want Spideriffic cinema as much as the next guy, but even my superhuman levels of Suspension of Disbelief are no match for failures that many seem to be giving a pass to.
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June 29, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST
I saw the movie last night and it was shit full of plot holes, bad writing and set ups for a sequel..
by Meta
Don't care if you liked or hated the last 3 Spider-Man films. This film is shit. To call for suspension of disbelief in some scenes, in this film, would still make you think this is completely a shitty story. The director wants you to fucking remove your entire brain before seeing this film, for them to justify how certain things happen to Garfield and why every character acts like a complete fucking retard! I wrote a very spoilerly comments about what I'm talking about in the film on the spoilerific Matt Adler review. Won't post them here. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56704
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...even though they think it looks shit. Why? Why on earth would you willingly hand over your (presumably) hard-earned cash to a faceless corporation for a film you don't want to see? It makes no sense whatsoever. Find a film you do want to see, read a book, go for a fucking walk. You're not "supporting Spider-Man" or "supporting super-hero films", they don't need your support, they're already incredibly popular. You don't have to be "part of the conversation". Seeing a film because you want to be in the loop just makes you a corporate tool. Sony and all other media conglomerates love that mindset: it means they can serve-up pig swill and as long as they make it an 'event' people will queue 'round the block to taste it. Don't be a slave to studio marketing. If a film doesn't look like it will appeal to you then there is no compulsion to see it.
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June 29, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
If you really want to support Marvel comic film adaptations, don't give Sony any money to see this film.
by Meta
If it's a box-office bomb, hopefully Sony will not make any more Spider-Man films and let the rights revert or sell them back to Marvel/Disney.
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I agree. That for me was the main problem with Spider-Man 3, not the emo-Parker (which I actually found amusing) but the fact that there were seemingly only about 10 people in NYC who were all involved either professionally or personally (or both) with each other. The plot contrivances in that film were beyond ridiculous (in fairness, probably a result of Sony's last-minute insistence on Venom which effectively meant Raimi was making it up as they went along). What gets me are the supporters of this reboot are slagging Raimi's films, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Webb is repeating the third film's most egregious mistakes.
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June 29, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
so when is someone is gonna that the expectation was too high?
by darthSaul666
They have been for this flick! Who's gonna crack first?
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Here: http://www.tube8.com/fetish/spiderman-has-an-anal-mission/4028781/
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This site has turned into the New York times movie review section except we are also blessed by these same few fun fuckers who call everyone stupid if they like a movie they don't. This site isn't even enjoyable anymore. Harry, its time for a reboot.
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I kind of knew I'd feel the same way about Spiderman. Why retell such a fresh story? Just wondered if you guys have heard of any Dark Knighy Rises pre-screenings. I heard someone saw it and said it was just "ok". I'd like to know if is bullshit.
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...that'd put it about on par with the first two then.
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June 29, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
Exact Same Origin? No. Because Raimi RETCONNED Uncle Ben's killer in SM3!
by Bob
So not the same. By any means. Oh and look, Kidd hates it. Nothing new there. He pisses all over everything that Harry seems to like.
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Raimi's movies were mostly great. The studio fucked with the third one so it's no surprise it was sub par. This crap is just trying to capitalize on the Dark Knight movies. I'll agree that the Kidd can be pretty negative but I believe every word he says in this review. Whole thing looks like shit.
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I get a little suprised when some tb'er decry the intellectual bankruptcy of Hollywood but Spider-man gets a pass through the same wringer? Again I'm not judging the movie..... Just the apologists!
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I mean really. Do we have to watch his origin story AGAIN?! Geez! It's TOO SOON! I HAVE NO INTEREST IN WATCHING A REBOOTED more fantastic / less realistic BATMAN. I JUST CAN'T MUSTER ENOUGH ENTHUSIASM TO GO SEE REBOOTED BATMAN 2014! NO ONE I'VE TALKED TO ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING A REBOOTED BATMAN 2014! But since I only have like 5 close friends, most don't know what I'm talking about. WHY ARENT THEY WAITING 10 YEARS?! Yeah, that was pure sarcasm, since I'm sure most of you missed that point.
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For ONCE, I agree with Billy. Raimi's first 2 were excellent! Anyone saying different is a tool! 3 stunk because Sony wanted Venom in it. Raimi admitted at the time he didn't want to do "newer" villains. I would have liked to see the Vulture, Mysterio, and a Dylan Baker-ed Lizard. Webb screwed it up when he has Gwen in the lab when he was built. Gwen was far from being a scientist. Billy forgot to mention that. Oh well... what a pile of sh*t.
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Hard to take this review seriously after "I wanted spiderman 4" I'm an open minded nigga, more than a lot of people are, but there ain't no body going to convince me that raimi's trilogy (or even just the first two) was well regarded as proper adaptations of spiderman. I was there when the movie came out and my then 16 year old self sat in shock at what he was seeing done to his hero, my favorite superhero. Ya know, it didn't bother me too much that they said fuck it all and had him shoot webs out his wrists with seemingly no way for it to get through his costume, no, it was the lack of spidey's trademark wit. Without that, he's daredevil. If this movie delivers that, I'm good... But not only does it seem to get that key aspect right, it also has webshooters. And I bet peter actually outwits the villain instead of being superman and just lifting something heavy or shooting a million webs to solve the problem. Harry will understand...
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I've grown to hate Kidd's reviews.
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is that it should have been Aquaman. Or The Flash. for the love of Christ, why would you remake a fucking movie that just came out? What a complete waste.
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Lookin at you Harry
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Stop reviewing movies dude. You hate them. All of them. This thing is at 80% on Rotten Tomatoes!
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June 30, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
What bothers me, and I think the movie will be tight, but, what bothers me...
by JackSlater4
Is they wanted to go back to high school to get the stupid fucking twilight crowd, but in order to get a good Parker they hired too old, which meant having to re-do the origin because they couldn't spend the 3 years in high school they originally envisioned. So. The get one year in high school, then it's college. Again.
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June 30, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
and also the idea of Hercules on aintitcool.com bothers me
by JackSlater4
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June 30, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST
No one wants to comment anymore because people are getting disgusted with shaint it spool spmews
by JackSlater4
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June 30, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST
Shirley I'm not the only person commenting on the "site" right now
by JackSlater4
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June 30, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST
Can somebody please explain the silver Spider-Booties?
by Ye Not Guilty
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If you go back and read Amazing Spider-Man from 1980 through 1989 you will be reading great stuff. Actually, if you were to read from Amazing Fantasy #15 and Amazing Spider-Man from issue #1-#300, you will be reading great, history-making stuff.
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June 30, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
After I see this shit in 3D, I promise I will let everyone know how good it was
by JackSlater4
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June 30, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
Sometimes I wonder if people that talk shit about Spiderman 3(the best Spiderman movie so far) just don't like Venom or Bane or 90's comics in general
by JackSlater4
Like they think a 90s comic has to turn out like Spawn, or some shit. Fuck your face.
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June 30, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
Don't be so butt-hurt about the 90s because shit got real.
by JackSlater4
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Was the best Iron Man movie. The 90s were TITTIESSSSSSSSSSSS!
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Yeah columbia pictures is a little desperate.... Read a little Sony Corp news.....So when is Sony putting out a smart phone..... I guess there is a reason for why Spidey is on a phone sooo much on the new flick.....
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June 30, 2012, 12:52 a.m. CST
the phone is a product placement, and noone has a prob with that?
by walt
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June 30, 2012, 1 a.m. CST
I am also into people telling me how awesome The Amazing Spiderman on PS3 is
by JackSlater4
ShoulD I buy it precio0us?
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June 30, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST
DC=Time Warner IS Far >Comcast except I'm pissed over the underscore dispute with AMC
by JackSlater4
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And this guy hates every fucking movie. I mean seriously, have you read the number of negative reviews he has submitted in the last two months alone? I think he liked maybe 2 movies out of 10. I used to come to this site to see what the average person or movie geek thought about a movie. Coming here now is like reading a fucking pretentious review off some newspaper web site. Seriously thinking of just bailing after this one... Does he know how to have fucking fun at all? What exactly do you like Kidd?
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the whole black costume bothered me, knightfall and the death of supes were both pub stunts to up readership proven when both bats and supes came back
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June 30, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST
Don't forget, AOL Time Warner, is better than UNIVERASAL a comcast company
by JackSlater4
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June 30, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST
I mean, I wanna know if the new Spiderman game is titties
by JackSlater4
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Should we really be blaming our TV providers when AMC is trying to pull rank with shows that average 2-6 million viewers? That's like a lot unless you remeber Americon Awful idol pulls like 20 million. Except Breaking Bad is the best show on TV right now. But seriously, not happy with AMC, being cheap with season 2 of Walking Dead, which turhed out to be their best shw.
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June 30, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST
red_right_return KIDD hates all movies because he is a pussy
by JackSlater4
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Now go on over their site and bitch there about how great this movie is. I'll see it for free, because my friends work at a movie theater.
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It's just one fucking remake after another. What's to like?
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I'm still going to see this even though I know it will underwhelm. I'm glad I can trust your reviews over most everyone elses. Keep up the excellent work.
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Never try typing on a phone with small text
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Hey Vader. I went into my pharmacy today and they had an autographed photo of Zach Galifianakis on the wall. After they finished shooting in Madison, they apparently came to my hometown(Walkertown) and did some shots there. I wish I had known in adavance. Zach seems like he would be a cool guys to meet. Hope all is well.
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Are you fucking joking, Billy the Skid? That fucking script was being prepped while the suits debated Raimi's salary.
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June 30, 2012, 2:24 a.m. CST
Uncle Ben's Death Is As Crucial To Comic Lore As Kal-El's Rocket From Krypton
by THX1968
And that is why I hate this movie more with each passing day. This is a bad, bad movie, if not valiant. Yet it is the death of Uncle Ben - a moment so critical for Peter Parker, the moment that sets him on the path of a hero, that Webb and company fucked totally up. I don't give a shit what FatherGeek had to say. They fucked up Ben's death so bad that I want to eat my fucking tongue. In total agreement with your review, Skid.
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I'm a fanboy. I'm a geek. I love Spiderman. I've loved Spiderman since I was a child and I first started collecting comic books. I mostly enjoyed the Raimi trilogy. I loved Sam's movies, even "For the Love of the Game". The first Spiderman was kind of underwhelming to me. It got a lot of things right, but it also got a lot of things wrong. I liked Toby as Spiderman, but he wouldn't have been my first choice. As the movies went on, he made Spidey a whiny little bitch. The second movie is the best out of the three. I'm going to give this new movie a chance. It could be horrible, but just because I liked Sams movies doesn't mean I won't like this one. I loved Burton/Keaton version of Batman, but I also like Nolan/Bale's Batman. Try to base your opinion on the movie its self not the memories that you have in the back of your head of a time before. It's like comparing an old lover with a new one.
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Anyone who considers the first Spider-Man film to be good is unqualified to assess the quality of ANY film, let alone a new Spider-Man film.
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The same fuck who shoved venom onto Raimi in Spiderman 3, a character that, while beloved by a select few, was loathed by the director. Hell Raimi even admitted he hated the character, yet Avi Arad forced the symbiote story onto him to draw in the youngins who grew up with the saturday morning cartoon spiderman and not the comic book iteration. It can all be laid at the feet of Avi Arad. So once this duckfucker is removed from the franchise, the wall crawler should have another decent run in the moving pictures.
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June 30, 2012, 3:24 a.m. CST
Could they treat this like a Timothy Daulton James Bond?
by Domi'sInnerChild
Just a thought. Move on like it never happened.
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Raimi movies, but I thought the upside-down kiss was kinda both sweet and sexy. What's funny is in the recent porn parody, after the upside down kiss, Spidey goes up on his webbing and comes down again with his dong out, and she gives him an upside-down blow job.
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I think you'll find there was something of a gap between Dalton and Brosnan, almost a decade.
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All reviews point that Garfield only wears the mask two or three times and spends most of the movie taking it off. I want to see Spider-Man, not Garfield. (I also wish his voice would change with the mask, I honestly can not stand his pre-puberty teenage speech tone.) I'm not a die-hard Nolan fan, but I read that they deliberately chose to never let Bale wear a half-costume, in order to keep its mystery and stay true to the comic and the fans. I'll wait for the Dark Knight.
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June 30, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
Yeah Spider-Man 3 was acceptable, maybe even good, until the symbiote found Peter
by Autodidact
Then it turned into a runny diarrhea-fest.
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I've seen the film, and agree on absolutely all points. This is the one to read, folks. But there is some fun to be had from this film. There's a lot to love, and a lot to hate in this film, too. TASM 2 is INEVITABLE.
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yeah, definitely didn't care to see Iron Man or Avengers twice. I DID see Iron Man a second time, but that's because my flatmate bought and watched it. Marvel films don't do much for me -- I just can't suspend my disbelief over the plot holes, so-so acting, cheesy comic book kroft and fanboy service. I'm not saying they're bad things, just that they're not MY thing. I like films with a bit of substance, something that transcends the limits of a 'comic book film'. That's all. Amazing Spidey did the trick for me.
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... this was. I was so angry after seeing this movie yesterday. Not only was it not a good Spider-Man movie, no, it was a bad movie period. They really missed every mark in a way I would not have thought possible. It would be best everyone agreed the movie never happened and just start over. And one comment on the side, if I may. From a monetization point of view I understand the "teenagerization" of every franchise or material on the market. But please, from the heart of a movie lover, stop that shit. Almost every movie of the bigger kind I saw recently suffered badly from it.
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He feels like Andrew Garfield/Spider-man .ie:not very likeable, just like Garfield seems in real life were he comes off like a dick in interviews. Tobey Miguire WAS Peter Parker.
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June 30, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
I've always feared that a day will come when we'll get a superhero movie that...
by jellypop
...has its main focus on the human side of the hero and doesn't contain one single scene of them being 'Super'. I really think it will happen. The Avengers proved cutting loose can reap rewards...it looks like Spidey has been caught in his own trap. These movies don't need to be camp, just to evoke a sense of fun and have some urgency when it comes to action beats. Having to read there are no punches or kicks makes me feel a little numb.
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So wasn't expecting much. That is the type of film people say they like just so others can hear it.
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There is literally nothing that annoys me so much about super hero movies as the ceaseless bitching about a retelling of the origin story being unnecessary or redundant. Every director tells his version of a story. Every director wants to put their spin on telling an age old story. Every generation has stories re-translated into their cultural language. Chris Nolan didn't need to re-shoot the death of Bruce Wayne's parents because Tim Burton already covered that? What if you want to change some details? We don't need to see Kal-El's ship crash into the field in Smallville because "we've seen it all before"? Bullshit. A super hero franchise that does not contain an origin story would be an unbalanced narrative disaster.
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watched..I really dont know.....I just saw the film tonight in Korea. It was the best Spiderman film by far imho. I guess how much you love/like whatever the Raimi films....as it certainly appears that that is coloring a lot of the opinion. This Spiderman is what BB was to Batman. A more grounded, more "real" take....but never becoming too gritty (which spidey aint), while being fun when it wants to be, but being serious when it needs to be.. Garfield simply blows Maguire away....he more looks the part, he wisecracks.....he simply is Peter parker/spiderman. The characters are mostly well developed...and there are some truly goosebump moments. The action is also damn good. Well thought out, well filmed.... Was a reboot necessary...in my opinion yes.....raimis films are too goofy, too cartoony...and had simply painted themselves into a creative corner. He killed off Spidys best villains, botched Venom, and did Mary Jane, Gwen stacy ass backwards.....I ask anyone...where the hell could raimi go? And while Horners score is nt great or anything...it was waaaay better than Elfman's white noise score.... Emma Stone is a lot more likeable than Dunst's Mary Jane. And the use of more practical effects when it comes to Spideys webs linging really shows....
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if you want to make up your mind beforehand because u are offended that it s a reboot, or because you are angry u never got your 4th Raimi film (though god knows why u would want that)..then I guess you will be predisposed to hate this film.....but I saw a fucking awsome film tonight.....and my favorite Spidey flick by far...
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Marc Webb did a damn good job.....I for one am glad Spiderman is in his hands....and if there is any justice, this filom will do well so that he gets his second crack at it...
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once pete gets bit by a spider and gets spidey powers, eoesnt reality go right out the door?
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June 30, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
southafricanguy 3 posts, bash raimi, not one specific on this movie
by walt
your first post really reads like it was dictated to you by a suit...where in korea are you and which baseball team is in first?
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June 30, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST
Every time i watch footage from this I magically arrive at the scene where it's ALL ABOUT TAKING HIS MASK OFF
by Autodidact
He takes so much time goofing around with taking off his mask instead of just snatching the kid that the kid winds up in an exploding GD car.
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Thanks. Another review that confirms that most of the hate for this film is coming from Raimi fanboys like Kidd. 80% with 53 Fresh and 13 Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes. Terrible film. Sure.
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June 30, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST
Nobody gives a fucking shit about this abortion except the desperate, the ugly and the lonely...
by BurnHollywood
Fuck them all. They'll all end up in Hell, anyway.
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June 30, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
Raimi's movies get thrown under the bus all the time...
by Andrew Coleman
Raimi's spidey did take his mask off a lot which sucked but a lot of the times it wasn't random. Spidey 1 his mask is blown off... In spidey 2 a spark burns it off and he takes it off to connect with Doc Ock(That one actually worked). In Spidey 3 Brock pulls it off. Also Raimi's Spidey did kind of talk smack to villains. In Spidey 2 when Doc Ock tosses bags of coins at him he swings one back saying "here's your change!"... So I mean we got tastes of it. Whatever missteps they had in those movies it's not as bad as just being terrible as this remake is. It's just a shame they wasted the Lizard on this. Sony just give it back to Marvel already.
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June 30, 2012, 1:29 p.m. CST
people have short memories about Raimi's Spiderman
by chronicallydepressedlemming
1. Without it, we wouldn't have seen an any super hero movies, let alone The Avengers. 2. Spidey cracked-wise quite often in those movies. Already forgotten his first outing in the wrestling ring? "That's a cute outfit. Did your husband give it to you?" 3. His mask came off either by force or for reason of drama (like on the monorail). It didn't come off just so Maguire could talk to camera. We didn't need a reboot. We needed a new Spidey, (Maguire is/was too old) and we needed to save the franchise from Spiderman 3 -but that was all. It would have been fine if they'd done an 'Incredible Hulk' with it.
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this bombing should get Sony to give up the rights and Marvel can work with it again. A special edition Avengers somewhere down the line with some Spidey easter eggs (Oscorp building in the NY skyline), would be welcome as well, and a nice FU to Sony.
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June 30, 2012, 2 p.m. CST
chronicallydepressedlemming not short memories, marketing strategy
by walt
the moment the new team was announced, the attacks begun...and many weak minded picked up on it the worst part of this strategy was having andy lie to everyone at comicon
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The plantation closes early today.
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I was bored by the trailer for this movie so I won't be seeing it until Blu-Ray (when I even get around to it). That being said, the worst thing is the studio will believe that audiences don't have interest in a Spider-Man movie once this movies makes a lot less than they are hoping. This is why film studios suck; it's not the character it's the crappy movie you are trying to feed us.
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Everything that Spidey comics used to be, and should be.
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June 30, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
I had to stop reading this review about 1/3 of the way through...
by chains
When the reviewer is SO emotionally tied to the original comic, the value of the review becomes worthless. Every time I see an AICN reviewer whine about how a story "isn't true to the character" or "it's the wrong tone for a Spider-Man movie," I can see they're not reviewing the movie based on what it is, but on what it's not.... kinda like how Harry didn't like Inception because there were no flying vampires. Dude, not everyone reads comics or wants to see an exact or faithful representation of comics on the big screen. I want a well-made, character-driven, somewhat believable movie in which I actually give a damn about what happens to the characters. If that's not a faithful adaptation, well... I don't want a faithful adaptation. Honestly, I'm a bit bored with Raimi's version of Spider-Man. The camp and dorkiness gets so over-the-top at times, it pulls me out of the story. I'll be seeing this one opening day.
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every time someone has put their own take on a comic book based movie, it has failed and before you point out the nolan films...read batman year one and the killing joke he didnt change much dont know what he is gonna change from knighfall...but that is the arc he is using for dkr spidey has lasted 50 years for a reason sorry...dont like it...go and watch something else
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yawn
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I'm inclined to agree with both you and chains... Should an adaptation be viewed (reviewed?) as a movie first? Or should its quality be based on how faithful it is to the source? It's all subjective, man. Yeah, there are some runs on comics that are generally considered to be the absolute best work done with certain characters. You point out a few runs that Nolan's trilogy has taken pieces of, but they weren't the movie. But Year One itself was not directly adapted to the screen, themes/ideas/scenes from The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween were written into The Dark Knight, but they didn't solely comprise the film. And as for Knightfall, I think we can both agree that it's VERY apparent that he has 'changed' quite a lot. In fact--again---they have taken ideas, themes, and iconic scenes from Knightfall and No Man's Land and written them into a much different story. That's not 'changing' anything. It's just Nolan utilizing what he subjectively deemed to be film-worthy in his own particular version of the character. I agree that there are some things that just should NOT be changed in comic-to-film adaptations. At the same time, a bad movie is just a bad movie. But a poor reflection of the source material isn't always going to make for a bad movie unless YOU, personally, would only deem a movie good if it were a series of live-action comic book panels. Nolan's trilogy isn't the best example of a faithful adaptation that was successful BECAUSE of that faithfulness. If anything, it was successful in spite of its deviations from what people had already thought Batman was...much in the same way Burton's version was successful 20 years ago.
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Bring back Raimi It's not too late! I'd rather watch Spiderman 3, because it was GOOD!
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"I love when big genre movies are this polarizing. It leads me to go into it with complete objectivity". Somehow I totally dig this.
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When the above people like totalreality say this movie didn't make any money when it hasn't even been released yet. Prediction: it will make a LOT of money. Why? Nothing else out to see and it is SPIDER-MAN. DUH. No matter what you whiney fanboys say, this thing is going to make good numbers.
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much about baseball teams in Korea as I dont give a shit about baseball.....I can tell you that I live just outside Busan (the satelite city of Changwon) So I guess the Lotte Giants would be the regional baseball team.....I have no idea why that matters to you....
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June 30, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
either way...go for it...rip into me, insult me etc..
by southafricanguy
I could care less...I watched the best Spidy movie I ever have last night. I like the Raimi films...i own them on dvd....but i do find just too much silly and cheesy stuff in there......this is simply the Spidy film i have always wanted to see...... And there are many ways to adapt the material....im sure many will prefer the Raimi films because they like that comic booky, cartoonish feel it has....and they will feel that matches the comics best...... But for me Raimi's films are like Burton's Batman films....feel very staged and studio bound.... This version of Spiderman works for me better, and I just simply preferred it...
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chill out, loosen their panyt elastic, or whatever.....Raimi's films are still there and if you prefer them...more power to you. But trashing this film and ranting and raving online about it just because its not a Raimi style approach to Spidey is ridiculous...
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Thanks for your review. I'm looking forward to seeing it when it comes out. In my experience, most movies above 70% on Rottentomatoes are at least worth watching. Look at the competition when it comes out.. Pretty much anyone going to see a movie next week will likely be seeing this. I wouldn't worry about it. I won't do Avengers numbers, not even close, but I'm sure it will make Sony happy.
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with Spidey rather than origin yet again....however i am curious if anyone can give a really good defense of where the fuck Raimi could have gone? Raimi basically painted himself into a damn corner imho......He killed of GG, Dr Octopus (so no Sinister six), Venom..basically the best spidey villains.., he completely botched Venom too, and Mary Jane and Gwen Stacy were done ass-backwards.....Were they just going to keep useing more and more b and c list villains? So while I am personally not a fan of the origin story.....I much more prefer to get going with it....I think they had little choice but to reboot in this instance... But barring this being a complete bo disaster....they better not reboot again in the near future...otherwise it will become ridiculous..
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it will probably do just fine....
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a reboot, or without being hung up on not getting a fourth Raimi film....and you may be very pleasantly suprised...
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June 30, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
You "always" wanted a Spider-Man movie where Peter reveals his secret identity to Gwen on their first date?
by FloatingHolmes
Did you always hate the comics THAT much? This movie is a joke. Every character is done the opposite of how they appeared in the comics. That's what you "always" wanted? R.I.P. Spider-Man.
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June 30, 2012, 10:47 p.m. CST
B and C list villains? Vulture, Mysterio, Electro, Kraven, Scorpion, Chameleon, Hobgoblin, Punisher, Kingpin?
by FloatingHolmes
What a crock of shit. The Raimi movies sucked, but he barely scratched the surface of Spider-Man's rogue's gallery.
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was slavish to the comics to the extent that each and every beat of the comics is followed. And if that is the basis of your argument....then explain to me how the Raimi films were any better? I dont recall Peter dating Mary Jane first....I dont recall the GG looking like a power ranger...I dont recall the Sandman killing uncle ben....I dont recall Peter crying so much...I dont recall Peter doing embarressing dancing in a Jazz club in the comics either.... So...then do you hate the comics that much?
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in Raimis films as well....not to mention the organic web shooters....so then there are no good spidey films then?
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different medium.....there will always be changes. If you are holding out for a slavish, 100% adaptation of the comics in every way..I think you may not want to hold your breath....
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picking a fight with you or anyone. I am simply stating that I really liked TASM....and the reasons why....last time I looked I had a right to do that. If you disagree...great. sucks for you...but thats your problem.... I am amazed how fucking polarized people can become over a fucking movie...
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we never had any in SA. And I was born after Apartheid so I have no experience of it. Or perhaps you think its still in effect in SA? Try reading some books, or actually learning something about other countries other than simplstic, generalized, stereotypical ideas you have picked up from having watched too many movies..
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anyone who says that venom is the best spidey villain, definitely works for arad
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You win the geek of the month award, waltkovacs.
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June 30, 2012, 11:59 p.m. CST
Somewhere in the multiverse on an alternate Earth...
by Mel_Gibsons_Nazi_Dad
James Cameron's Amazing Spider-Man is the highest grossing film ever and the only comic book film to ever take home the Oscar for best picture.
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http://www.hitfix.com/news/movie-power-rankings-spider-man-swings-past-dark-knight-and-star-trek
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The redesign of the costume is stupid beyond all comprehension. If you're going to change it, make it better not worse. That alone turns me off to this movie.
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July 1, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST
i accept the award with honor. despite sony now believing geek is a 4 letter word
by walt
pretty tired of the bashing on a franchise that caused the explosion of comic related movies, that led to your god nolan being allowed to fuck up miller and moore some of you people have a very short memory and cameron's spidey was never gonna get made
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July 1, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST
People who say this movie sucks aren't necessarily Sam Raimi fan boys, they're just fans of cinema and no shit when they see it.
by Chris
Any movie made just to hold onto the property rights will suck. This movie wasn't made as a dream project, it wasn't written by someone who had Spider-Man painted on his bedroom wall, it was manufactured by a studio. It has no soul, no spirit that drives it. It's a cold, by the numbers approach to the comic book movie. If the studio had seen The Avengers and then made this movie, I imagine it wouldn't be so awful. They'd see why people want to see Marvel characters in movies.
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July 1, 2012, 2:14 a.m. CST
OMG, know shit when they see it.* I can't believe I made that typo. Fuck you AICN and your ancient talkback section.
by Chris
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And yet he liked the movie. An anomaly for sure. But it is what it is. He's been around the boards for a while, so i believe he's legit.
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Comics are made into movies due to the popularity of the source. And they are marketed to the fans of the comics. If a filmmaker fails to understand why people liked the comics, then the movie sucks.
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If so I shall take my comment back. Errare Humanum Est.
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the PLANTation. Get it?
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slapping my forehead......I totally did not get that. Thus I do owe you an apology for that.
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must be slipping as I never said Venom was the best villain, I just said one of the best.....and heres the shocking thing...thats just my opinion, and I am completely entitled to it. Just becasue you are a Spiderman classicist that most likely loves only the 60s,70s rouges gallery does nt mean I cant like characters from the other eras of Spiderman comics...
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remember guys denial is not only a river in Egypt....
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You are not a plant, apologies were made five posts up. But you read like one. And your arguments are a bit simple. Let's agree to disagree.
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I dont hate the film......wow....how modern fandom of you.... By all means lets agree to disagree. At no point was I attempting to change your mind, or anyone elses for that matter....I was simply posting my reaction to the film, and a couple of typical fanboys jumped down my throat. Its absolutely no sweat off my ballsack who the fuck likes or does nt like this film...I liked it...so win for me.
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"simple".....if you are going to call my point of view simple (and thus an attempt to render it moot) then you should back that up with some not simple comments of your own about ASM....have you seen the it?
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July 1, 2012, 9:15 a.m. CST
Worst part in spiderman 3 is when Brock and capt. Stacy are...
by Ebixby
Just casually looking up at Gwen dangling from a building like its no big deal... I mean was raimi asleep during that shoot? Fucking act like you give a crap about your girlfriend or daughter...lol raimi's third...raimi's turd....
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or is this the editing of the guy who made the supertrailer? coz the music overpowers all the crappy whedon/bendis-style cutesy dialogue. it might as well be a silent film. be better for it.
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July 1, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
Raimis Spidermans: 1 was "ok, nothing special"" 2 was "pretty fun"..3 was "meh" they all already feel dated.
by FleshMachine
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July 1, 2012, 10:35 a.m. CST
most people who see these movies have not read any comics.
by FleshMachine
i've seen all the superhearo movies...never read a superhero comic (gi joe and star wars and groo only). the audience is far larger than geeks.
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u nailed it kidd
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July 1, 2012, 11:38 a.m. CST
Let's face it... If your Marvel character and not officially a part of Marvels/Disneys own cinematic universe your movie will have a bastard child cloud hanging over it.
by EastcoastAvenger
As much as I enjoyed watching X-Men last summer it still felt like it was of some lesser universe for not being part of the exciting world Marvel themselves are building in the MCU! It's a shame really. I would love to see Hulk and Wolverine go at it on film. To have them both up on the silver screen but never together is lame-o. And with Marvel planning on going cosmic soon in their upcoming movies it will seem inappropriate if Galactus and Silver surfer are not a part of that! If Marvel wants to show what a cosmic bad ass Thanos is show him talking smack to the likes of Odin and Galactus.
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July 1, 2012, 12:55 p.m. CST
southafricanguy most of your comments have been spent bashing raimi
by walt
nolan killed the joker and two face...i havent seen one fucking post anywhere in this fucking universe, bashing him for that you sir are a paid arad lackey venom sux
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whats your point?
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July 1, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
Kidd hates mainstream popular movie. In other news, water still wet, sky still blue
by Tall_Boy6t6
Carry on. Quint's review is gonna be the exact same thing, line by line, because they come from the same Geek Groupthink Hivemind.
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it wasn't really good. It wasn't bad either. Very mediocre. I really liked the new cast and thought the Gwen/Peter relationship was done great. The same I would say for every aspect of the film that hasn't anything to do with superheroics or action. That was all fine. I liked Peter, I really liked the way he discovers his powers, I liked Gwens Dad and his story arc, I liked the new genius Peter who build his own web shooters, I liked the brigde scene where he saves that id from the car. But everything else was... just... meh. The action scenes (apart from the bridge scene and the first experiments with his new spidey powers) were all crappy. I mean, like Van Hugh Jackman Helsing crappy. Two CGI creatures pounding on each other and generally behaving like rubber balls, bouncing around the screen... really disappointing. Pure CGI fight scenes are just too hard to pull off, even today. Most films that try it fail terribly and so did the new Spidey flick. Still... in the overall Marvel movie pantheon, I would rate it as better than Iron Man 2, both Hulks and a bit worse than Captain America. Next to the other Spidey films, I don't know. In the reboot I like the overall look better and the complete cast (even if I miss Franco) and their relationships. The action however was better 10 years ago, as stupid as the Green Goblin might've looked. At least he wasn't all the time CGI.
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July 1, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
Getting Characters Right does not equal "Slavish" -- it equals "Good Adaptation." Getting every character wrong equals "SHIT"
by FloatingHolmes
Raimi's films sucked. This one sucks worse. Alas, Spider-Man, you will be remembered.
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*And really? Becasue I liked the film Im a plant?* For the past few months every ASM thread has been dominated by posters who "liked" the movie. The problem is these posters only ever showed up in ASM threads. And their comments were very obviously scripted. So its usually a safe bet that anyone who claims to like the movie or be excited to see it is a plant. However I remember you from arguments over the Terminator series, and Aliens as well I think. So I think you may be the exception. Plus, even though I think the movie looks awful, I believe that as more people start to see it, there will be some legitimate fans popping up. Not that I understand why anybody would like it.
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I finally made it through the scriptment, thanks for providing it. I thought it was very entertaining, and would have made for a quality movie, and I still believe it would have been better than Raimi's version, atleast for me personally. I am not a hater of Raimi's work either, I especially enjoy AOD, Darkman and Drag me to Hell. I am not an expert on anything Spiderman and have not read much if any of the comics, I am just a movie fan sharing his opinion. So I'm not sure which scenes would suggest Cameron thinks he knows better than the creators as to what makes him tick, nor which parts of his script would qualify as "effed up". Would love to hear an example to support your arguments there. It would simply be educational for me. As far as the kinky sex web scene, it wasn't really in a web, just the surrounding bridge cables at the top of tower met in a web-like pattern. But he did tie her hands to the wall with silk before doing it, so I will give you that. And as I mentioned above, I don't know the Spiderman universe well enough to comment on how well the scene fits, so I won't. Coincidentally, I happened to see an extended trailer for ASM last night before an MIB3 showing, and I shall admit I am more excited for it than I was 2 days ago.
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July 1, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST
joey_jo_jo_junior_shabadoo, ok, i added more webbing to the sex scene
by walt
but that was how i visualized it when i read it i dont like cameron's take on parker...its a lot like webb's and i didnt like the way he portrayed the villains raimi used parts of the cameron script in his take
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in the comics he creates the webbing too so foreigners are flocking to the movie and loving it thats why i hate foreign people...all crooks
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According to box offficem, Sony's The Amazing Spider-Man earned $50.2 million from only 13 markets. Spider-Man did especially well in Asia. I hate to break it to you guys, but its going to make a good amount of money here in the US. :)
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we in america dont care
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No one cared about John Carter to begin with. Battleship was ridiculed for months before it came out. This is a totally different situation. As for "we" well I'll cast my vote when I go see it this week.
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7 milllion dollar budget and made 39 million domestic.
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July 1, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
lets put it like this. spidey broke records in india..opening at 2mil
by walt
2 mil??????? one theater in los angeles makes 2 mil on a shitty movie the fact is...THE REST OF THE WORLD IS ONE HUGE 3RD WORLD COUNTRY... if they all disappeared tomorrow, no one would notice...except the fucking corporatists that love their cheap labor
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when the first trailer for spidey came out, looking like a vid game...it was ripped this movie has had bad press for a year sony has put out 25 minutes of clips...you do that when you arent getting the buzz you want we are being told that tracking has this movie opening at 125 mil....i say...bullshit this isnt scientific, but ive watched the imdb boards for avengers and dkr...those boards are humming...when avengers opened overseas, the imdb board exploded spidey is dead this is a comic related movie made for those who hate comic related movies
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...called he wants his role back.
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I'll be seeing it. My nephews will. My kids will. I really don't care what you are dorks on IMDB have to say about it. Until the movie comes out, this is just your wishful thinking. You can come back and tell me I told you so next week. Until then your comments are pure speculation.
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I'm very surprised about the mixed reviews this reboot is getting in the US, and I can't shake the feeling that its a) because some hold the Raimi-trilogy (especially the first two) in inappropriately high regard, b) that they wanted a continuitation of that story, and c) that they think this reboot comes too soon. Now, you can't really argue with this last point, but then again, there are many US-remakes of foreign language films released within a shorter time frame (see: Let me In, Girl with the Dragon Tattoo) and I don't see anyone complaining about it "being too soon" there. I for one never was the biggest fan of the Raimi-movies. I enjoyed 1 and 2, but never thought of them as the best comic-movies around. And I hate the third one with a passion, because it actually ruined the first two for me, which I can't watch again without a bad taste in my mouth. It wasn't a bad sequel like Alien 4 that you can just ignore, it really ruined the complete trilogy for me. That said, they weren't perfect even before Spider-Man 3 came along. The organic webshooters took away a lot of tension, with Gwen Stacy they also lost one of the best storylines from the comics (also: by starting with Mary Jane it was obvious that they struggled what to do with the pair over the course of three films, leading to some painfully contrieved plots), and I really missed the wise-cracking. It saddens me that there are fans of the comic that actually prefer Raimi's version(s) over this one, which feels very fresh, has some truly great performances, is superbly directed, and leaves us at a very interesting point in the story, raising my hope that the next one could be one of the best movies based on a comic ever. Weirdly enough, the movie seems to be received rather positively in Germany and Austria, where many stated that they though that this was the best Spider-Man movie yet - an opinion I tend to agree with.
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July 2, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST
"there are many US-remakes of foreign language films released within a shorter time frame...
by buggerbugger
"...and I don't see anyone complaining about it "being too soon" there." Oddly enough, I see **lots** of people complaining about that exact thing. Maybe we're reading two different internets? ;)
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Here here! But I disagree that those were the best parts of Spider-Man 3. They were great, but they couldn't hold a candle to Kirsten Dunst's singing. All the angels in heaven could not create those dulcet tones. But let's not also forget the tour de france performance of Bryce Dallas Howard in the completely necessary and not-at-all pointless role of Gwen Stacy.
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BRING BACK VERN! Atleast his posts/reviews were more amusing wether you agreed with him or not. jeebsus
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Maybe we are. I read a lot of reviews for "Let Me In" and "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" (both capable remakes). Some people raised complaints, sure, but not once did I read "It's too SOON!" The fact that they were remakes, made shortly after their respective originals, never seemed to have an impact on his/her opinion of the movies itself. Which is just the way it's supposed to be, I think. I for one did not hold it against "Dragon" that I've known the story already. But that's what seems to happen a lot with "Amazing Spider-Man", and it's especially irritating when they praise Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone (rightly so), since they probably wouldn't have been able to play their respective roles in 5 to 10 years time (at least not when you're telling the origin story again, which I believe they had to).
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that are saying, HOW CAN THIS BE LIKE THE DARK KNIGHT RISES if it has not come out yet. HE DIDNT SAY THAT YOU IDIOTS!!! He just said TDK which can mean ANY OF THE ONES THAT ALREADY CAME OUT!! LOL!!!
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End of story.
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The Kidd writes poorly. His review is littered with grammar mistakes and underdeveloped, oddly-worded thoughts. Worst of all, you can sense he's not a particularly deep thinker, so why should anybody value his opinion over any other talkbalker? Any one of you could have posted something equal or better. AICN, please hire somebody with at least a modicum of talent.
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July 2, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST
Nolan's Batman movies = best comic hero movies EVER hands down!
by HB_Dad
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Personally i think another SM origin story was not needed, a new movie maybe, blast him in full action from the start, use flashback eventually for origin story like Singer did in SR. Stick to great stories, we got plenty of them, lots of villains fuck use them! Let him wear the mask when is SM, avoid strange plots like revealing his identity to Gwen or making him a skater or involving his parents with Oscorp or black costume = emo PP, such a crap. There are tons of descriptive stories, uses and costumes about spider-man stick to them, you capture the true essence of the comic you get a good quality product. About this movie... Sorry but don't like the new approach. Last thing about the comics, hated the clone saga, but more then that hated Evolve or Die and the whole bloody affarir about Mephisto... A movie by Cameron about SM would rock!!! 'nuff said
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July 3, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
Kidd's Right. Far Too Much of it is an Origin Story Rehash
by HateThaNet
The only good thing about the movie are the visuals. The close up shots are very reminiscent of comic book splash pages and the shots at night look a lot less cartoony than Raimi's movies. But the story is rehashed and the character work from top to bottom is very mediocre.
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July 3, 2012, 2:35 p.m. CST
"Sheen and Field don’t exude those warm grandparent feelings you should get from Uncle Ben and Aunt May"
by Kremzeek
I've only seen 2 trailers for this film - that's it, and I agree! Something is just *off* about this whole movie. The minute they announced those 2 as Ben and May... I thought ... "huh?" And I like both actors, too! But when I saw the trailers, they were just all kinds of wrong for the parts. The entire cast of this movie is just off somehow. Garfield looks like he could do a decent job I suppose, but that's about it. All other casting is way, way off. Considering I agree with about 95% of Kidd's reviews... it's looking like this is a Netflixer for SURE - but that's no surprise. I wasn't going to see this on the big screen anyway. Still haven't seen Prometheus. Looking forward to that despite the medicore responses! And then it's TDKR!
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Read Kidd's reviews all the way thru more often. He is not negative. He says it like it is - unlike most of the kiss-ass reviewers on this site. Kidd actually gives reasons why he doesn't or does like something. And in pretty much every single review he *does* say something positive. Go, Kidd. I still say you're easily the best reviewer here. I never get the impression you're pandering - ever. It's always just straight-up what you think of the film. (And I especially like that you don't have to foreword every review with 6 paragraphs about how the movie made you weep as a little boy.)
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July 3, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST
And I love how this broke away from the usual Wed/Fri release day
by Kremzeek
Had to get that extra Tuesday in to bump up the sales figures, didn't they? Between that and all the footage they're desperately shoving down our throats to make us think this is good... it's rather pathetic.
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This movie isn't going to fail. It won't be as popular as some, but its well on the way to making some good bank. Not much to say now is there?
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I don't care if it makes 5000000 trillion dollars. I'm still not excited to see it. More power to you if you liked it.
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This movie wasn't bad at all. It is the best beginning to a superhero series since Batman Begins (not as good as Batman though) but it's enough to fill the empty void. Just read my review on hubpages.com then go on to read my Speculation on what the 2nd movie will be like. http://aaronhubb89.hubpages.com/hub/MOVIE-REVIEW-5-Reasons-Why-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-was-the-BEST-Spider-Man-Movie http://aaronhubb89.hubpages.com/hub/Thoughts-on-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2-Movie
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