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Damon Lindelof’s HBO Rapture Project Gets A Pilot Order!!
"Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof’s first project under his deal with Warner Bros. has been greenlit to pilot at HBO.
Tom Perrotta’s 2011 novel “The Leftovers” 
In the New York Times, Stephen King called the book “the best Twilight Zone episode you never saw."
Perrotta has seen two of his other books adapted into excellent movies: Alexander Payne’s 1999 satire “Election” and Todd Field’s “Little Children,” which earned Perrotta an Oscar nomination for best adapted screenplay.
Lindelof penned the pilot script with Perrotta, and will serve as showrunner should HBO greenlight the project to series.
Lindelof co-created and served as showrunner of “Lost” before he co-scripted “Cowboys & Aliens,” “Prometheus,” the upcoming big-screen “Star Trek” sequel and the secretive Brad Bird/Disney project "Tomorrowland."
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never answered.
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June 28, 2012, 3:59 p.m. CST
yay, more akward hipster Berkley student dialogue with inconclusive and underdeveloped storylines
by Squinty CGI Flynn
how do these writers keep getting gigs?
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LMAO
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...from the 80s about the orphanage Fletch's ex-wife's lawyer is trying to shut down. Bummer.
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Again a relegious theme. I don't think I'm going to watch that.
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"Where do bad folks go when they diiiiieeee!?....Go to a lake of fire and fry..."
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So expect about 22 minutes of good material, then increasingly maddening fumes as per this writer's usual.
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JUST LIKE IN LOST!
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June 28, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
shocking - they chose Lindelof to write religious crap
by georgecauldron
You know, the guy who likes to tackle "big science ideas" then attributes everything to murky religious purpose? Fuck Lindelof. Hollywood needs to hire some actual writers who deserve work and not this ballsucker of JJ Abrams.
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his take on what happens after is always interesting. Don't dumb it down Damon. Seriously. separate those who are willing to follow through all the way to those who will never get it from the get go. We'll all be happier. Carry on sir, I look forward to a interesting ride. http://goo.gl/jdg0r
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June 28, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
in the end everyone gets wrapped up in a giant duck made of foil
by alienindisguise
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...reacting as if it was "Left Behind." You know not of which you mock.
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...they're commenting on Lindelof's low-effort use of religion as resolution for plot elements he can't resolve. Guy bites off more he can chew, doesn't know how to weave it together, attributes it to religious meaning, then disregards any criticism of these hollow, transparent writing techniques as a "hater".
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June 28, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST
those who are not transported to Heaven during The Rapture = everyone
by Cosmik
This Rapture crap isn't even in the book of fairy tales called the Bible.
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June 28, 2012, 5:01 p.m. CST
This got me excited because I thought it would be Sci Fi... But no, we get more religion like Prometheus. LAME
by happybunni
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June 28, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
I honestly think that's the only thing Lindelof knows how to write.. mixing religion into various forms. I hate that garbage, I don't care.
by happybunni
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June 28, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
To the asshat who keeps reminding us that Lindelof is Jewish: Fuck off!
by RedJester
What does it matter if he's a Jew if every film/television show he scribes is about a christian-centric god?
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June 28, 2012, 5:13 p.m. CST
He's taken the Science out of Science Fiction or at the very least changed it to Judeo-Christian-Science-Fiction.
by RedJester
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All hail the Giorgio A. Tsoukalos of screenwriters.
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June 28, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
Yeah, "God I Hate Christians.... " isn't hating on religion at all.
by Son of a Butch
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June 28, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
ANYONE SEEN THE FIL THE RAPTURE? LOOK IT UP- IT IS A SUPERB FILM ABOUT RELIGION, AND I AM AN ATHEIST
by Michael Lunney
ANYONE SEEN THE FIL THE RAPTURE? LOOK IT UP- IT IS A SUPERB FILM ABOUT RELIGION, AND I AM AN ATHEIST
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June 28, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
Also, redjester, LOST wasn't about a Chistian-centric god.
by Son of a Butch
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if all I had to do was come up with cool shit that i'll never have to rationalise, explain or defend
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Show runner sounds bad. I will probably cancel hbo by then. No way will I watch from the start, but if the finale gets better than mixed reviews I might play catch up.
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He had an awesom head of long stringy 90's hai.
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June 28, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
God is going to be pissed for taking the blame for so much bad writing.
by Margot Tenenbaum
"faith is not as important as payoff in drama, my son.
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I mean, fuck. Somewhere Lawrence Kasdan and David Peoples are wearily shaking their heads.
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June 28, 2012, 5:52 p.m. CST
Will there be an audio commentary on the Prometheus Blu-ray/DVD where he and Ridley Scott explain their decisions regarding characters' actions and motivations?
by Mr. Pricklepants
Like, why didn't Vickers run sideways instead of running in the same trajectory as the huge spaceship behind her?
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Yet he gets to keep writing.<br> <br> I just don't understand it.<br> <br> Worst ending to a TV series ever -- check.<br> <br> Limp-dick attempt at adapting a really good comic -- check.<br> <br> Extremely disappointing Alien prequel -- check.<br> <br> I really fear for the next Star Trek movie.<br> <br> Based on his track record, anything he is involved in is an automatic NO THANKS from me until proven otherwise.<br>
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LOST was awesome... and all you who get their backs up over religion or faith in movies, just chill the fuck out. If Raiders was released today, or Last Crusade, nerds on here would be all "Oh for fucks sake... this fairytale Christian Bullshit... Arks and Cups of Christ... Fuck off!" Good story is good story. If this really is good source material, who cares where the themes come from?
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June 28, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
Here, Hilter sums it up best about the Lost ending in this Snubtitle
by Tony W
http://tinyurl.com/cyuprla
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June 28, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
margot_tenenbaum - yeah, I meant film - did you see The Rapture? or is everyone just in hate mode here today?
by Michael Lunney
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At least Giorgio has awesome hair.
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Nobody knows for certain what happens. Considering people of various faith and personalities dissapear nobody knwos what happens. In fact I think a few aethiests dissapear. Most of the book deals with how the people left behind deal with a major event thats pretty unknowable. Since some of the characters have family members that vanish reaction are varied.
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Walking Dead- small rag tag group thrown together fighting Zombies and each other to stay alive Falling Skies- small rag tag group thrown together fighting Aliens and each other to stay alive Revolution- small rag tag group thrown together fighting militia, elements and each other to stay alive The Leftovers- small rag tag group thrown together fighting God? Demons? and each other to stay alive LOST- small rag tag group thrown together fighting Others, Black Lung, Mysterious Island, and each other to stay alive Californication- small rag tag group thrown together fighting David Duchovny's sexual advances and each other to stay alive
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Battlestar Galactica- small rag tag group thrown together fighting Cylons, the SyFy network and each other to stay alive
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They are the most dangerous villains of all!
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June 28, 2012, 8:44 p.m. CST
I predicted Prometheus would be "Lost in space" - no one listened.
by cozy
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June 28, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
LOST's ending was brilliant to those capable of paying attention
by Adelai Niska
So was Prometheus. So was Battlestar Glactica's ending.
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it's the use of religion as a device to basically not make effort to resolve any plot points. LOST was the perfect example of this. So many random "mysteries" and scientific phenomena, but it all came down to two religious guys who had a shitty mother. Awful writing. I love how defensive people are when it's suggested that resolving scientific storylines with religion doesn't work. The guy who wrote that people would complain about Raiders is stupid. Raiders never pretended that the Ark was anything but supernatural. Had Raiders started out with them talking about a scientific basis for the Ark, you'd have a point. I'll explain it once more so even the thickest of people can understand. Nobody is hating on religion. They are justifiably criticizing the lame, repetitive, overuse of religious allegory as a facade for "mystery" when it's really just lazy writing. Not interesting mystery or compelling vagueness. Just laziness and incompetent writing. That's all it is.
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June 28, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
STAR WARS EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH was the best possible version of the fall of Anakin Skywalker. Suck it haters!
by Margot Tenenbaum
Austin Powers in Goldmember is better than the entire James Bond series. Is there nothing but hate on this talkback? Can't we talk about good movies like Before the Watchmen? Why all the hate up in here?
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If you didn't like the characters, you're a fool for watching the show.
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...so your anti-religion comments and your "Kirk Cameron calling his agent" comments are completely lost in the discussion, being as they are completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. As for the "Lindelof uses religion as a crutch" comments, those would have merit, but not here. He's adapting the source material, so he can't be blamed for whatever spiritual themes are already there.
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June 28, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
Lost was a show about a divorced doctor with a drinking problem and a bank robber!
by Margot Tenenbaum
The island was just a way to explore the story of a con artist character from screenwriting 101.
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We're explaining that Lindelof's repetitive over-reliance on religion as a crutch for his writing is precisely why he was hired for this project. The guy is literally capable of nothing else. Of course he'll continue to get high profile jobs since he's Hollywood's golden boy savior of sci-fi.
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You compare P R O M E T H E U S and Lost in Space? I'd compare you to a dumbfuck, but that doesn't fit your analogy.
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Oh, and people who believe their religion is literally true are nuttier than squirrel shit.
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its the name recognition, it must be. He cant possibly be getting these gigs on writing or scripting ability...........all he does is rewrite something already written, no ability of his own, its shameful he keeps getting jobs. After the LOST "ball drop" (purgatory, really? didnt explain black smoke monster or anything) I don't see why you would hire him...........He gets into things, and then seems to get bored with it, then says F it, lets just do this, I got get on this next job......
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June 29, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST
"The novel follows what happens to those who are not transported to Heaven during The Rapture."
by buggerbugger
Rated 'TV-MA' for all the naked, drug-fuelled orgies or GTFO? No, wait. They'll be getting punished by formless, black smoke-goo? What's the technical term for that, smoo?
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Good scripts with believable characters?
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That will be the new tag line in all the commercials.
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June 29, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST
My favorite part about LOST was how they wrote all new characters for the actors to play in season 6
by Margot Tenenbaum
Ben Linus: Shy Schoolteacher is a favorite. That was such a touching way to resolve all of the threads of his character. Lindelof is a master of characterization and its so sad that he's primarily known for his plotting skills.
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Life is finite. Get over it and just have fun.
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guys fucking obsessed.
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And ya Covjacks, I have read the entire series, and even the prequel books. It is some of the best SCIENCE FICTION that has been written in the last several years, if you can get past all the theological B.S. (the rapture was made up in the 1800's). I am looking forward to this, Damon is the perfect person to write this type of story. Hopefully he can keep it on the tracks.
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HAHAHAHAHA I NEVER TIRE OF READING THAT SHIT. REALLY.
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And they gave that mongoloid an Oscar. Lindelof's never had a complete idea (i.e., an idea with a back-half and ending), writes shit dialogue and flat characters, and maps his God-bothering bullshit onto everything. Sounds like yet another HBO 'potential pilot' that won't go anywhere. (Remember 'The Corrections'?) Fuck you, Damon.
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HAHAHAHAHA-- What the fuck do you think characterization is? It's nuance, layered motivations, depth of emotion, exploration of contradictions, the heart in conflict with itself, etc. It's NOT flat, stock characters with a bunch of bullshit backstory.
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Watching all these nerds getting their panties in a bunch is pure comedic gold! Carry on!
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June 29, 2012, 10:12 a.m. CST
@phantomcreepsreturns: What's that sound? Oh, it's my comment passing overhead at 30000 ft.
by cozy
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Seriously, the writers were clearly trying to force some kind of ongoing mystery into the show without ever knowing where it was going. Lost was all about the cliffhangers and water cooler moments; any "explanations" were pulled out of thin air after the fact. After that steaming pile of a show and Cowboys & Aliens, why in the BLUE FUCK are you still covering this douche?
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June 29, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
Looks like Lindelof as another opportunity for characters not to get answers to their profound questions.
by Gabe Athouse
He's obviously obsessed with this cliche, and it's not even a good cliche.
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June 29, 2012, 10:56 a.m. CST
georgecauldron: "Lindelof's repetitive over-reliance on religion as a crutch for his writing" what complete drivel.
by peter
How do you know? Aside from Lost and maybe a THIN stretch for Prometheus for which he CO-wrote, what other repetitive over-reliance could you be talking about?? are you his neighbour?? have you even met the man? curious.
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From what I've heard of this novel, it's not as much about figuring out the mystery of what happened as it is about how people pick up and move on after an apocalyptic event. The criticism of Lindelof is that he is too quick to offer "religion" and "magic" as explanations, but it seems like this novel doesn't get at explanations at all. I'm going to pick it up at the library and see. Even if it did, I still don't see how it's valid to say "There goes Lindelof again...using religion as a cheap plot device" when he's not the source of the material. Your argument that he was hired for the project because that's the kind of story he's known for telling seems a little hollow...especially since we don't know how religion is used in the novel.
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June 29, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
Left-toe vs Right to Choose: "it's not an abortion!!!!"
by SiouxCitySarsaparilla
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she has no idea the fucking ship is rolling after her...she doesn't look back once, she's running for her escape pod...only time she looks back is after she falls and she's terrified to see the thing bearing down on her...she didn't get the overhead view we got in the theater...she started running before it even hit the ground...Noomi only survived because she tripped before Charlize and was able to move in time
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Really, can we expect anything else from him?
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seeing cunts like you sticking up for such a fuckwit is the comedy gold, sir.
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Fiery shit is raining down ALL around them, they're on dangerous terrain with ditches, holes, and giant rocks. They can't see which way the ship is falling and they've got to keep their eyes in front of them so they don't trip or get crushed by flaming debris. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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June 29, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST
"repetitive over-reliance on religion as a crutch for his writing"
by D.Vader
That's idiotic.
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June 29, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
Many of you still don't understand what the word "hack" really means
by D.Vader
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Guy posts comments, then 30 minutes later declares victory because he's responding to something posted hours ago? Last time I checked Prometheus and LOST are the two main things credited to Lindelof. Cowboys and Aliens was different type of movie, and he didn't write Star Trek, only produced. So really, your hyper defensive arguments hold no weight. I don't know him as a person? What's that have to do with anything? I've watched stuff he's written, and most rational people agree that it is all half-assed knockoffs of previously existing work with a dash of religious superstition thrown in to masquerade as plot resolution. The sound of silence...or is that your brain trying to come up with another non-argument?
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June 29, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
Lost had a point! It was the first ever story that attempted to tackle the concept of the lost garden of Eden! Hit or Fail that is what it is.
by Dogmatic
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Please explain how Lindelof DOESN'T use vague religious superstition over and over to bail him out of his scripts.
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June 29, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
I didn't provide an argument George bc its such a ridiculous over-exaggeration
by D.Vader
Prometheus especially doesn't have any "over-reliance on religion" to use as a crutch. LOST didn't have any "over-reliance on religion" to use as a crutch, though it did deal with themes of faith. In fact, the biggest theme of LOST from the very beginning was science vs faith. None of the answers in LOST were "religion" as you imply. You confuse the ending, which deals with Afterlife (and yet isn't an answer to anything other than the Sideways Timeline) as being religion to explain away everything. That is why your statement is grand hyperbole. And in fact, you provided no argument to back it up either.
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I'll never pay to watch another thing written by this dickweed again.
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The island was presented as a scientific anomaly. The show built up scientific ideas, and in the end the island was a literal cork for keeping hell from entering earth. And everything that happened on the island, and everyone that came to the island, was set in place by two brothers who were biblical allegories. So, the proof is in the pudding. You can choose to ignore that and come up with excuses.
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Well, not wrong, but you're not right either. You have an interpretation that's different from most. I've never heard anyone that believed the Island was "a literal cork for keeping hell from entering earth", but even if that's the case, its definitely NOT an "over-reliance on religion" to "bail him out" of his script. Two brothers being Biblical allegories isn't an "over-reliance" either, especially in a show that had references and allusions to countless other sources such as mythology, philosophy, and literature. You've latched on to *one* aspect and have done so with an *interpretation* and have twisted it to become fact, and that's where you're wrong. And the fact that you said nothing of Prometheus backs up my original assertion as well. You're over-exaggerating.
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I'm not going to write about all the flaws of Prometheus and Lost because that would take too long. And you overlook the examples I provided as isolated components. They were thrown in to bail out the script. End of story. That is over-reliance. Doing the same thing over and over. Did it with Lost, did it with Prometheus. "Answers? You want answers? I don't have them. But here's a vague allusion to religious purpose."
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June 29, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
Enough has been written about Prometheus?!? What a LAUGHABLE cop out!
by D.Vader
Are you joking?? All that does is prove to me you have NO argument and nothing to back up your ridiculous claims other than ONE example of a religious connection (the Brothers, and even that can be argued against) and an interpretation that the Island held back Hell (which most everyone else will tell you it certainly did not). You've got no argument. You lose.
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Answers? You don't have them.
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Local movie reviewer described it as a swinger movie with Mimi Rogers naked in it. Saw it that night. Not enough naked Mimi Rogers for my tastes.
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Basically like many shows they had probably two seasons worth of ideas plotted out when they started..maybe. Then it took off big time and they got caught out. After that is was 'make it up as we go along' cashgrab. I can easily imagine the guys sitting writing it laughing going "I cannot believe the dumbshits are still watching this shit! We just write any crap and they rave about it!" Best job ever I guess. The problem is a section of the population were gullible enough to watch all of it. The clever ones bailed early in season 2/3 when they realised it was never going to be explained. So those that watched it all have to cover their embarrassment by fruitlessly trying to pretend that all that guff actually had some form of logic or plot to it. It didn't. But some still want to see the Emperor's new clothes.
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I totally disagree that Lost was a character-centric show. None of the characters acted in a believable, human fashion ... which eventually made it harder and harder to care about them in spite of their back stories. Imagine that you are trapped on an island with a smoke monster, dead relatives haunting you, weird Others kidnapping children. I would think that people would band together and be honest (in spite of their secrets) or eventually they would be so panicked that they would scapegoat each other in some kind of Lord of the Flies scenario. As a therapist, no one acted like someone would in such a traumatic situation. I think "Blair Witch" was a better indication of how people act in a panic ... and that was just actors improvising story as they went along.
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June 29, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
Lost was completely character driven and it was the main reason people watched. The writing was top notch. The ending was awful and distracting, though. We also don't know how bad the scripts were for Prometheus before he co-wrote, maybe he actually made
by SirGaryColeman
The lawrence of arabia bit in Prometheus was pretty cool and felt like something Lindelof could've contributed. I am giving him a chance on the HBO show. If it sucks, I'll go ahead and jump on the hater bandwagon. But lost really was a great tv show despite its horrible ending.
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Prometheus had the same flaws as lost. A bunch of random shite and no resolution, except for vague allusion to creation. You sound like a child, putting your fingers in your ears, shouting, "LALALALALA!" The sooner you realize your idol Lindelof is an average-at-best writer, the better. Or is it that all those millions of people who thought the script for Prometheus was weak are just "haters" who have no argument? Prometheus has already been discussed ad nauseum on these boards. That's not lack of argument. The argument has already been made and the consensus was reached. That's why the majority of people on here think it was underwhelming and think Lindelof is a hack. Leave the talkbacks to the grownups. :)
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I run hot and cold on Lindelof. Some of his stuff isn't bad, but none of it is even close to brilliant. He's comes up with scenes, generally, sort of paint-by-numbers, this-has-to-happen-so-this-other-thing-can-happen plot points, not knowing any of the why's or how's of it, then ret-cons the reasons later on, usually in the form of nebulous, neo-religious fluff that makes zero sense when you think about it. He seems like a good guy, and I enjoyed his interviews with Ridley Scott. But I'd like to see him step down from his proto-hipster "I'm a happenin' guy" (wink!) stage and develop a thick, creative backstory once in a while so he doesn't have to ret-con everything after the scene has already been shot. It is lazy writing, I agree. He's lucky most Americans can't tell the difference. And this new show... upon first glance, I'm not into the idea at all. Unless it's science fiction, then it might be worth watching. But as other who've read the book have stated, it's not. Oh well. We'll see.
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I'm not the one making absurd statements and then when I get called out on it, I retreat and cry "someone else already argued it for me!" That's pathetic. Weak-sauce, man. Again, all it proves is that you have ZERO evidence, ZERO argument to back up your ridiculous claim that Lindleof has an "over-reliance of religion as a crutch" in his writing. You must not have a thought in your head, you're just babbling nonsense. If that weren't the case, I think we would have heard something else from you by now. Stick to the topic at hand, don't try to change the subject bc it won't work. And one last point, if the talkbacks are for grownups, I suggest you stay out of them until you learn how to debate like one.
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http://www.vulture.com/2012/06/lindelof-talks-to-vulture-about-new-hbo-project.html "You can't be an atheist anymore," he says. "It takes us back in time to a place in human history where everyone's lives were dictated by the gods of Olympus or the gods of the heavens. [The book] tries to explain the purpose of it all, and that lined up with the meta level of Lost." Take a break from the keyboard, silly boy.
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Just read this talkback alone and see what people think of Lindelof. There's a consensus. You sound like an irrational child who can't admit Santa isn't real. LOST was not good. Lindelof is not a good writer. There are 5 steps to recovery. You are in stage two - anger. Keep lashing out at me, LOL.
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June 29, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
Here George, its very simple. I guess I have to break it down for you
by D.Vader
1. You make absurd statement. 2. I call your statement idiotic. 3. You ask for me to provide an argument as to why your statement is idiotic. 4. I do and ask you to do the same, provide an argument. 5. You *retreat* and cry "someone else already did it" Don't give me silly links, HAVE AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT. You can't debate, hence you lose.
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I don't care how many people think the script to Prometheus was bad- that's irrelevant. I don't care how many people don't like Lindleof- that's irrelevant. All I care about is how you're going to prove that Lindleof has an "over-reliance on religion as a crutch" in his writing. You have offered up absolutely NOTHING on the subject. Hence, you lose. Get used to it, I don't see many other good arguments coming from you, someone who has to point to others for back up bc he can't do it himself.
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June 29, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
When you learn to think for yourself, George, come back here and talk.
by D.Vader
Or when you learn to be an adult and admit what you said was idiotic.
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I even gave you an article and quote from Lindelof himself. I explained the plot of LOST and how it all came down to vague religious superstition. I'm not going to write you an essay about Prometheus because everyone on here has already discussed that movie. You are well aware of the faults. Lazy writing, random plot occurrences, inconsistent characters, and vague religious allusion to end it all. You're grasping at straws, boy. The good news is it sounds like you're moving onto step 3 - bargaining. We've already seen you in denial and lash out angrily like a child. I know it's hard to realize Lindelof isn't the savior of sci-fi, but once you make the journey you'll be better off.
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June 30, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST
Vader, ignoring what someone says doesn't mean they didn't say it
by georgecauldron
That is the whole crux of your hollow argument.
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Don't ask someone to defend their argument when you can't do the same for yours. Your link says absolutely *nothing* about how Lindleof has a "repetitive over-reliance on religion as a crutch." That means he uses religion to explain everything. What's the answer? Religion. I've already stated my point that this is untrue. You have yet to do the same. You can't point to others and say "Someone already did it for Prometheus." That means you can't defend yourself. You can't point to a link where Lindleof talks about his new story. That says nothing about your views on Prometheus and LOST. "I'm not going to write you an essay about Prometheus because everyone on here has already discussed that movie. You are well aware of the faults. Lazy writing, random plot occurrences, inconsistent characters, and vague religious allusion to end it all." Lazy writing, random plot occurrences, inconsistent characters- all of this means jack shit when it comes down to your argument. That says NOTHING about your claim about Lindleof. If he uses an over-reliance on religion as a crutch in Prometheus, then please, TELL me how he uses religion to solve the movie's problems. You haven't. You won't. Its because you can't. Pathetic. Like I said, come back when you can talk like a grown-up instead of insulting like a child.
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I've already told you are untrue. Its not enough. Face it, your assertion was idiotic from the get-go. If it wasn't, you should be able to easily explain why.
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Come on kid, you can do it! Step up!
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he says he doesn't want to. haha, he set up a load of shit then he leaves it to someone else to work out where to go from there.
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He is such a fucking weird mix of thin-skinned incompetence and unwarranted egoism. What kind of writer are you if you'd rather defend the shittiness of the work through retroactive rhetoric than actually honing your craft. I think places like Reddit and Twitter might contribute to tendencies like this in hack writers; you've got an instantly-gratifiable multitude of strangers just lining up to suck your dick and constructive criticism is so easily lumped under 'hater' or 'troll' label. Shit sux mang.
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June 30, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST
one of my favorite joys in life is watching people who never read a single page of the Bible proceed to tell others precisely what it does or does not say. U guys made my day with this thread.
by Arcadian Del Sol
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Needs Shyamaladingdong.
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July 1, 2012, 2:19 a.m. CST
Lindelof's Writing Method: throw shit at the screen, hope it sticks...
by Hardboiled Wonderland
... and when people come up with deep & meaningful, and wildly different, theories to what it all means, claim you meant it since day one and you're a genius.
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He's a fantastic writer who's produced some of the most thought provoking and gripping television of the last few years. If he overestimates his audience's tolerance for ambiguity that's not exactly a crime. I'll be watching The Leftovers and anything else Lindelof is involved with.
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July 1, 2012, 9:15 p.m. CST
Re: I really don't understand this Lindelof hate by captain_ridley
by MichaelH
"Tolerance for ambiguity"?!!! IT IS NOT AMBIGUITY OR HIGH ART TO MAKE SUCKERS OUT OF FANS!!! How is it "ambiguous" to make a mystery, string millions of people along for years while making a very good living from all these people glued to your show, and then dance away laughing at the very last episode? That's not ambiguity, that's lazy hack writing! Anyone, ANYONE, can make a mysterious sounding ambiguous story with hip characters. Go on Youtube, you'll find a ton of them. The only thing Lindelof has going for him was the huge amount of money ABC made selling ad time during Lost.
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Its a matter of opinion, not fact. Hence the debate.
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July 1, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
Re: "Anyone, ANYONE, can make a mysterious sounding ambiguous story with hip characters."
by D.Vader
No, no, no one can. Otherwise there'd be much more LOSTs, wouldn't there?
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I meant, "not everyone can". D'oh.
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Michaelh, I think we have different definitions of lazy hack writing. Lost ran for six seasons, and millions enjoyed the hell out of it, myself included. For years, it was the most compelling thing on television. That the ending failed to satisfy doesn't take away from everything that came before. I think that the airwaves are chock full of shows where the writers haven't thought beyond the next few episodes. Speedy cancellations for shows like The Event, Flashforward and Terra Nova prove that. Lindelof and Cuse crafted a series which satisfied on levels that those other shows couldn't even dream about. They deliberately chose for certain aspects of the Lost mythology to remain mysterious, and sure, that irks some people. They *could* have pasted a hack ending onto it (aliens landed thousands of years ago and have been manipulating humanity ever since, for example), and everyone would have been OK with that. But that wasn't what they wanted to do.
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