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Mister Bay Talks TRANS4MERS!! Off-Earth Action?? Smaller Budget!! And More!!
Michael Bay is talking about the fourth TRANSFORMERS film again. The Ehren Kruger-scripted project is currently targeting a Summer 2014 release, sporting some re-designed bots per previous indications from Bay.
Per L.A. Times' HeroComplex, Bay says...
“It’s a new cast,” Bay said with a matter-of-fact tone. “We’ve moving on to something different.”
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“It’s not a reboot, that’s maybe the wrong word,”
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We’re taking the story that you’ve seen — the story we’ve told in three movies already — and we’re taking it in a new direction. But we’re leaving those three as the history. It all still counts.
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Could the new story involve a departure from Earth? “I think so, yeah, a little,” Bay said. “That feels like the way to go, doesn’t it? I want to go a little off but I don’t want to go too sci-fi. I still want to keep it grounded.That’s what works in these movies, that’s what makes it accessible.”
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...not just characters but a new type of action, I hope – and that’s a lot for someone new to bite off. And so after this one I will leave it in the best hands possible. That’s the plan.”
More with Bay can be found HERE, including the reveal that the next picture will come in a bit cheaper than 2011's mammothly successful TRANSFORMERS: DARK OF THE MOON. Sounds like it's $30 million or so less costly? So the previous movie pulls down over a billion dollars...naturally, the sequel's budget gets cut. Ah, Hollywood!
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That is all.
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just hiring a few unknowns. No big actor paychecks.
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June 21, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST
Sentient Robots < MECHA . That being said they need to do UNICRON in T4, but PACIFIC RIM is going to obliterate all the Transformer films.
by the Green Gargantua
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Is that what he means?
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I guess they did in this last one. I dunno... there were aspects to the films I liked but they still frustrate me.
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I always thought the Transformers were sci fi but I guess I was wrong. I didn't know cars that turn into robots were grounded to reality!
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June 21, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
"I want to go a little off but I don’t want to go too sci-fi. I still want to keep it grounded.That’s what works in these movies, that’s what makes it accessible.”
by zillabeast
Tells you all you'll ever need to know.
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June 21, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST
Uh Oh! A TF movie talkback! Ceejaynightwing will have to start saying how good Mikey Bays Balls taste again.
by Mace13
Thats pretty much a given.
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Bay needs to get back on the coke and hookers it seems.
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...is not taking the robots from outer space as being too "outer space." We also want to focus more on people-bullshit and not too much on the robots. So, my robots-from-outer-space movies work best when they don't focus on anything to do with robots or outer space." I think that's what I'm hearing here.
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Who gives a fuck about Transformers? :)
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June 21, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
How about getting a decent script w/character development for the bots, along with redesigned looks so you can tell them apart and make out there faces?
by Shermdawg
You had four chrome Trannys in a Mexican standoff in the last one, two Automobots, two Deceptimocons, couldn't tell them apart other than I think one of the baddies had dreadlocks for some stupid reason. Why do robots have hair and beards in these films?
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That is all....
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...and he'll feature U.S. millitary men and women single-handedly beating up Decepticons. ...with no legs and a single revolver. You asked for it, America.
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June 21, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
Get that feller that did District 9 for $30 million to do a $60 million Gobots movie.
by Shermdawg
Guarantee ya, it'd be better than all of Bay's Tranny flicks put together.
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The only thing that works is that there are enough dumb motherf*ckers out there to have these movies make $1 billion at the box office. It is good marketing + low IQ people = success.
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guaranteed
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June 21, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST
gotilk: but, you honestly any big actor paychecks were the problem for the first 3 movies?
by TheSeeker7
I mean, I can't imagine even Lebeouf would've been able to get a more than $3-5M pay day for the third film, much less anyone else.
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Time Travel :(
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and JUST Transformers only, you know like the cartoons that sold billions of dollars in toys and has been successful for decades, yeah, try that and see if it works. Fuckers.
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June 21, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
Make it Black & White, set in NYC, directed by Woody Allen
by Annie The Pod Racer
Bumblebee is a paranoid taxi in NYC & too shy to talk to the girl of his dreams...a pink VW punch buggy with serious smoking issues! Finally he takes her out on a date to Southstreet Seaport where his buddy Seaspray is feeding Bee some romantic lines to convey to our lead actress. Oh man, what if she finds out & falls in love with Seaspray instead???? Oh the hijinx of an independent budgeted film! There's a scene at Washington Square Park & Soundwave supplies the score.
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Think Hasbro brought them out and they're now canon by being another type of robot like Dinobots?
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I am a Die hard fan of the G1 series... A DIE HARD FAN... and found no problems with any of these films. I thought they were awesome. The arguments for why they were poor films don't make any sense to me. I'm sorry, but I don't get why anyone went to see these movies expecting complicated plot. The plots were always simple because that's what worked in the series. Every episode was the same. The Decepticons were trying to steal energon. That's it! These movies went above and beyond in plot and character growth compared to the series. They were really fun films! Why all the hate?
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June 21, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST
Why does Jaws have to have any people in it? After all, it's called Jaws and that is all it should be about.
by Boborci
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June 21, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
Hey, let's kill all the Autobots in the first 25 minutes and introduce new ones...oh wait.
by adeceasedfan
You've got the touch...you've got the pow-wah! Yeah!
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June 21, 2012, 11:43 p.m. CST
Transformers is weak and obsolete when compared to ROBOTECH, I wish the Macross rights were not so fucked. I Say do Genesis Climber Mospeda 1st and do Macross as a prequel.
by the Green Gargantua
But yea, Transformers is REALLY for children.. I mean it's fun but Robotech actually had a story. Could you imagine what a Robotech film series would look like?
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I'd like to see Peter Hyams get the contract.
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I needs someone to yell "Optimus!" at some point in the movie, or else it just won't seem grounded in reality to me.
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and Tatum of course.
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You owe me this after killing off Kelly Hu.
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NOT the most annoying, disgusting and all-around unlikable people imaginable? That could work, too. Also try using subtle and tasteful humor to alleviate tension at appropriate times in an otherwise taut and suspenseful action movie rather than to make people cringe awkwardly in their seats from embarrassment for the majority of the film’s run time. Just throwing out ideas.
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I'm not one to tell somebody how to write their show, but if you lost the cheesy shrimp truck scenes, and gave us more Sang Min and Kamekona working undercover, it'd be a huge improvement.
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And I mean that.
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June 22, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST
Literally the first thing I did when I saw this article was scan the TB for posts from JettL. Alas, I'll have to settle for someone actually associated with the movie.
by BlaGyver
We miss you, Jett.
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Is Brad Fuller a complete douche in real life? Also, could you punch Michael Bay directly in the testicles so we may be spared any potential offspring from that no-talent fucktard?
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June 22, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST
If the humans in Transformers were anything like Quint, Chief Brody or Hooper, people wouldn't complain.
by hank henshaw
I'll be honest, tho. I only ever saw the first movie, once, and thought it was deplorable. Not sure if human characters get better in the sequels, but from what I've read, they don't.
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June 22, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST
I can never see what the fuck is going on in any of these films.
by Christian Sylvain
It's funny that with a lesser budget, the cgi'll be so simple that we might actually tell the Transformers apart.
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palpeedude, my Bay hatred on these films stems mainly from the god damn motherfucking "humour", like the "twin bots", the old autobot farting parachutes, dogs peeing on robots etc. And then of course the robot design aswell, I could never quite accept it that they are all just a mess of chrome and spikes, mostly unrecognizable, apart from a few main ones like Optimus and Bumblebee.
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Why the fucking fuck did they make Bumblebee "mute", if his voicebox was broken, the "medic" bot would have fixed it in 5 minutes. And that they still went with that in Transformers Prime, it's the worst thing about that show, which is pretty awesome otherwise. Makes him seem retarded really.
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June 22, 2012, 1:17 a.m. CST
What's also odd is for the few words Bee did speak,
by throatwarbler_mangrove
they got Mark Ryan, who was the super badass Saracen named Nasir in the 80's ITV Robin Hood. Waste of an actor.
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Yeah me neither!
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Can't fucking wait!
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Anthropomorphized robots with human-like personalities, motives and passions are not the same as a dumb monster shark. There's no reason why you couldn't focus a story on them whilst demoting the humans to supporting roles or possibly even removing them altogether.
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You bring up another thing I don't get. What's wrong with taking these characters and bringing out humor? I think the last thing we should do is take any kind of art, entertainment or expression too seriously. I thought the twins were kind of funny. My wife didn't care for them however but it didn't ruin the movie for her. Take Star Wars for example. The holy saga is one that should be mocked because the fandom is making it way too personal. To the point where it's impossible to ever please them. Not being able to see these characters in a different light makes it impossible to enjoy something new. In that respect I thought it was interesting making Bumblebee like a pet mute who also kicks ass. People love that character and mostly because you can bring yourself to him more than any other character in the movie. That's what made him popular to so many people including myself. Common, he was way cooler than in the G1 animated series. Even after they renamed him Goldbug.
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Yes the films have little to no sensible stories. But visuals he nails each and every time. Maybe just maybe 4th time there will be a story. (I wouldn't bet on it though)
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He's not to be trusted!
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June 22, 2012, 2 a.m. CST
Its not the sci-fi stuff that makes the films feel ungrounded
by Bass Ackwards
Its Bay's, and presumably the writers, complete lack of understanding of how normal human beings act, talk, and interact. The human characters are less believable than the transformers (the transformers, by contrast, are just plain dull).
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Is Bay making a remake of the original 1987 movie. Are we going to see Megatron become Galvatron, Prime die, and Hot Rod become Rodimus Prime? Oh and Unicron too.
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Hey everyone is entitled to like what they want... That being said the 3rd one bored me to tears.... That ending was painful....
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But Id like you to do more action movies like you used to do...like The Rock! Enough kiddie stuff. You should do Bad Boys 3 with no CGI. Fuck people's eyeballs with pure old school action.
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June 22, 2012, 2:24 a.m. CST
comparing Jaws to Optimus.... need to consider one thing
by darthSaul666
I can't think of any urban myths where some child called Jaws the closest thing to a father figure a convention...
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June 22, 2012, 2:30 a.m. CST
you know....wasn't Jazz the Autobot with music/car radio motif in G1?
by darthSaul666
Always kinda of bugged me bumblebee got that trait in the Bay movies....
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People should stop making fools of themselves by referring solely to the G1 cartoon (which got Grimlock and Shockwave's characters COMPLETELY WRONG) as if it is the be all and end all. That's like saying the Batman 60s TV show is the sole Batman canon. The UK Transformers comic, with it's ambitious storytelling, rich characterisation, and graphic violence (Bay's movie's look like Sesame Street in comparison) pissed on the cartoon show from a very, very great height. Bay completely fucked up the Transformers characters by having Starscream loyal to Megatron (wtf?), Optimus Prime sacrifice lives to prove a point and declaring "we will kill them all", which in terms of OTTness is the equivalent of Dumbledore declaring "I'm gonna fuck Voldemort with my cock!" Making the Autobots look human and the Deceps look alien is fucking retarded Hollywood dumbness (so the moron audiences know who the good and bad guys are) which undermines the whole concept of the Autobots and Decepticons being like humans. Bayformers is Transformers made by someone who knows nothing about Transformers, its fan-fiction by someone who knows nothing about the source. Bay described TF as "stupid toys" and that attitude is embedded into every frame of his Bayformers movies. The Transformers are meant to be SENTIENT ROBOTS. If the robots don't have personalities, its NOT Transformers. There is NO NEED to focus on the human characters because THE TRANSFORMERS HAVE PERSONALITIES AND ARE CHARACTERS. The comics and the recent video-games have no human characters and are all the better for it. The fundamental problem with Bay is he thinks of the Transformers as machines...he does not get it. A vast array of characters to choose from, including anti-heroes like Grimlock, Blades, and Sunstreaker, as well as comedy characters like Runamuck and Runabout, manipulative bastards like Shockwave and Soundwave, pacifists like Skids, Bluestreak, and Beachcomber, eccentrics like Dead End, doubters like Mirage and Thundercracker, and opportunistic war profiteers like Swindle (think of the fun that could be had with that character). To have all those characters to choose from and to give us bland, dull robots is inexcusable incompetence. Sack Bay. Have Brad Bird direct, and put Simon Furman in charge of the story.
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...in a series about giant shape-shifting robots from outer space? Makes perfect sense. I often wish filmmakers wouldn't go "too Nazi" when they make movies about Hitler.
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June 22, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST
I still want to keep it grounded.That’s what works in these movies, that’s what makes it accessible.”
by HASBEER_WILLCHEET
NO. NO NO NO. WE DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR FUCKING AWFUL HUMAN CHARACTERS. MORE TRANSFORMERS. LESS HUMANS. FUCKING TROLL.
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Fucking amen brother... though zardok makes a good point.
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You're a 'die hard' fan and you use the G1 cartoon as an example of Transformers plots??? SERIOUSLY!!!!!! <br> Read what Relugus wrote. Basicly what I was gonna say to you. Bay doesn't get or care about Transformers and it shows in every frame of the films.
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June 22, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST
oh look it's that inept, talentless, good-for-nothing excuse for a human boborci - still learning how to write eh? You stupid little cunt, now FUCK OFF!
by AllThosePowers
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June 22, 2012, 6:40 a.m. CST
This should have no humans at all. Just Autobots and Decepticons duking it out.
by Mr. Pricklepants
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I don't comprehend why these directors & writers feel the need to ground premises that defy reality! To say a movie about Giant talking alien Robots that transform in to cars, trucks, and jets needs to be ground in reality. Goes against reality itself you freaking moron. LOL it's just hilarious if I went to the movies to see something grounded in reality I'd see Traffic, or Saving Private Ryan. If I want to see some cool action with a decent story that defies I'll see The Avengers. It's CALLED science-FICTION remember the fiction! I know that you wan to give people the possiblilty of these things happening but in reality we'll never see Alien Giant Robots. They do it with things like The Transformers & even in comic movies. Not realizing the things they're adapting is FANTASY!
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June 22, 2012, 6:45 a.m. CST
"We've moving on"... i swear you need a red decoder-strip to decipher writing these days!
by Ali Kerim Bey
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The biggest problem I had with Bay's: Humans featuring robots masquerading as Transformers. Was that they treated those who were meant to be the actual stars of the films as set pieces or Background. You could tell the disdain he had for the very concept of Transformers. Just saying this will be cool to show stuff getting blown up.
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Maybe if any of these movies had coherent visuals---if I could tell who is hitting what, these films would be fine. But there's only five, maybe ten minutes like that out of all three of these movies. I think it was the second movie. Optimus and Shia were running from a Decepticon ambush in a forest. Optimus holds his own with a couple D-cons and then gets stabbed in the back with Shia yelling "Optimus!" (yes---I'm sure you didn't see that coming). It was a clutter-free fight and had the most minimal inclusion of humans. Kind of like the cartoons from what I know of them. If the fourth one could be that spare and leave Earth---bring some people along if you really have to---if you do that, you might have a decent movie. I doubt it though. Anyway that's why these movies really suck. They fail on the most basic level---robots hitting other robots without a bunch of eye clutter. The crappy humor, the anthropomorphizing of the Autobots and I guess some Decepticons (who the hell thought a beard was a good idea---why am I asking)---all of that is just rancid icing on a plague-ridden cake. That's my two cents.
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Fuck him in his stupid ass. If you keep paying to see his films you're just encouraging him. imjussayin
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http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12425301-margarita-ania-rodriguez-arrest
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Transformers 4DDD! I think Bay does talk some shit in this press release, however I enjoyed all 3 movies, yes theres a few things you could moan about, but they are great entertainment/pop corn movies. Its what Bay does best, big loud and fun. At least he doesnt make films about walking with a peaodo wizard and a skinny crackhead who just wants to finger your ring! pmsl
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Season 3 of the cartoon expanded ten fold once it got off earth ...of course that was about the robots.I think it should go entirely off earth ..give us the Quintisons and Sharkakons.
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June 22, 2012, 9:25 a.m. CST
I need Dinobots. I mean it's produced by Spielberg for crying out loud.
by JackSlater4
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DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!!! AND FUCK YOU HOLLYWOOD.
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June 22, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
Here's an idea, take some of that money you get to make these movies and hire a good writer.
by Randy
You know, someone who could write a decent script, nothing amazing, just something that isn't awful and feels like it was done by a 5 year old.
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Bad Boys is great fun. The Rock is Amazing! Armageddon is his masterwork as far as his moviemaking goes. It's a great summer movie. I'll never forget seeing it in the theater. After that though. Pearl Harbor was a horrific film not only in terms of filmmaking but as an insult to history as well. The Island was super terrible. Bad Boys 2 is one of the most excessive films ever and I mean ever made for real! In a good way that is. Transformers 1 was amazing summer action fun. Loved it! And then, Transformers 2 and 3 are absolutely an insult to filmmaking and human nature. It's utterly retarded. What's going on Bay?!?!?!?
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June 22, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
I don't know if I could watch a Transformers movie without LaBouf's shouting and screaming in my ear
by MooseMalloy
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Robotech or Star Blazers.
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June 22, 2012, 9:53 a.m. CST
Remember when there were going to be LESS robots in T3?
by Mysterious_Volvo
For some reason I think thats a political statement rather than a statement of intention or fact. Studio suit - ''Yes Mr Bay, Anything you say, but the studio head were really prefer if you kept the'' Mr. Bay - ''Yeah sure, i'll knock 30 million off the price for you hows that'' 5 months later Mr Bay - ''Look sparkey we're really not going to be able to finish this movie unless you add another 50 million to the budget otherwise its going to be your head on the chopping block'' Studio Suit ''Yes Mr Bay Anything you say''
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June 22, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
Only way to go is the Decepticons land on Isla Sorna and become...Dinobots!!!
by Tikidonkeypunch
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Seriously, someone give him $200million to make a crazy, over the top adult action movie that is some what grounded in attempting to be real world. Bad Boys 2 is one of the most under rated action films of all time. It's all levels of awesome. He needs to get back to that.
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The whole Bumblebee not being able to talk was cute the first movie, annoying the second, then retarded the third movie. I mean Ratchet could have fixed his voice box in mere minutes like he pretty much does anything else. In fact in the Transformers Prime cartoon on the episode when Bumblebee's T-cog was damaged and he found another one, Ratchet was able to fix it even after Starscream shot it. It was also a bit misleading after the first movie at the end when Bee's voice box just randomly comes on and we hear him for the first time, and the audience was like oh snap he's gonna be talking now yet in the next movie its that same radio bs. another thing I would like to see in the new film is Starscream coming back. i found it a bit stupid when the Autobots could barely touch him(form what i remember) in any of the movies yet, the damn humans take him down in like 5 minutes, I call bs on that. Starscream may act like a little bitch at times but he's still my boy and I want him Back.
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At the Mountains of Madness is Lovecraft's singular novel. It recounts the expedition of Dr. William Dyer of Miskatonic University, who's searching for the ancient life that my have lived on Antarctica before it become an icy rock. It has nothing to do with Pacific Rim. That movie could be described as a tale of Gigantic Sea Monsters and the Men who operate the Gigantic Robots that fight them. At the Mountains of Madness is an incredible story, and given the exceedingly mixed reaction to Prometheus, I hope Guillermo grows a pair and makes the damn film as soon as he completes Pacific Rim.
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Bays Transformers movies are the biggest disappointment in movies i will ever experience. Huge fan of the comics that could have made a trilogy of some of the greatest sci fi movies ever made. Instead we get an aborted foetus of a trilogy that fails on every single level except a couple of the transformation scenes in the first movie. Why o why did he feel it was necessary to completely change every part of the original story apart from a couple of names and Optimus Prime vaguely looking like he should. Im genuinely more sad about this then any other fucked up movie franchise. I hate you Michael Bay. Please get rid of this useless hack and hire Nolan to reboot. (not gonna happen but i can dream).
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June 22, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
"That’s what works in these movies, that’s what makes it accessible.”
by Smartacus
Like this shit head has the slightest idea why Transformers work and are "accessible". God I hate this guy.
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Bay: Welker just didn't fit as the voice of Megatron. PRIME: Welker kicks ass as the voice of Megatron. Bay: I wanted flames on Optimus, so he looked cool. PRIME: Optimus has no flames and somehow looks as bad ass as the new Bane from Batman. Bay: Soundwave will just have to wait. PRIME: Soundwave is awesome right off the mark. BAY: We'll use the most annoying humans ever and focus on them. PRIME: We'll use the most annoying humans ever and yet focus on the Transformers. Yep, the nightmare continues.
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Why bother with the CGI then Mike? Just cast the 'real' robots that you speak fondly of.... Cockabangawanga!
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OHHHH!!! I totally get it! You guys are comparing these movies to the comics! Well having never read a single T4mers comic book I have no frame of reference for your frustration. Except to note it's unfortunate you didn't have as good a time as I did in the theaters watching all 3 of these.
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This means that cunt Bay knows his films are shit and is sabotaging the chances of a reboot using Gen 1 designs by rebooting it himself and then forcing whoever comes after to carry on using the new shit he's come up with. Bay needs to be fired, the Gen 1 designs need to be used and a writer and a director with a genuine passion for Transformers needs to be hired. Anything less will be more of the same celluloid shite we've been enduring since Bay was first hired. FUCK MICHAEL BAY.
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My main problem with all 3 transformers films was the need to connect them with US history..It is so lame and actually the MOST unbelievable element of the films. The effects and the robots even voices are more believable.. Its like they tried to setup an excuse or justification to tell the main story. The only history we need is the decepticons and auto bots at constant war..and if they crash landed on earth like in the series fine...but please no more space race backstory b.s. or founding fathers, or cia cover ups or the fallen landing on earth in primitive times or alien asteroids falling to earth scenes..It doesnt work! The reason the first TF film worked better than the other two was fact that all of this hokey stuff was kept to a minimum. Nothing wrong with alot of SCI-FI in the transformers because that is what they ARE..but interweaving them with US politics and American history, etc makes me yawn and then cringe. If they simply followed some of the better story lines of the series or the War for Cybertron game we'd be so much better off.
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I dont think the fact that human characters being in the story is the problem..its the way that they're put in the story , the human back stories and the dialog and not funny comedy...Ive seen better comedy and more believable characterizations in the TV show I carly..Everyone in Tf movies are just manic , not funny and unnecessary.
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You've never read a Transformers comic yet class yourself as a die hard Transformers fan? WTF????
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June 22, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST
“I want to go a little off but I don’t want to go too sci-fi. I still want to keep it grounded.That’s what works in these movies, that’s what makes it accessible.”
by StreetsAhead
Hilarious. Nothing about these movies is grounded in reality. To hear him talk it sounds like he thinks he's a story teller rather than a guy who makes stuff blow up and have scantily clad women run around in schlock movies. He has no artistic vision at all.
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June 22, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
It's funny how the transformers animated movie still had more Heart and Soul than all of Bay's shitfests combined.
by Stalkeye
1996 was a yeah for two of my most memorable American animated breakthroughs; Robotech and TF The Movie. They had impressive stories, pathos and great action sequences accompanied by unforgettable soundtracks. Both Robo and Trans proved that American Animation isn't just a tool to pander to children or sole purpose to sell toys. Great stuff that is deserving of a re-watch via netflix or in the case of TF TM, my Blu-Ray. These series/film had the Touch!
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It will be a lower budget right up until MB decides he wants more SFX, bigger bots, a more epic story, etc. This is not going to be an arthouse flick, he's going to be trying to outdo himself. T1 was passable. I thought T2 was an absolute mess. T3 was a little better but overlong and a so-so story. But the man knows how to pull in the box office so he'll get what he wants to make his movie.
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It's really sad.
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Transformers Prime and the War for Cybertron game, has more depth, character development, and all around better storytelling, than all three Transformers movies combined. And they're marketed to kids. So what makes this some sad bullshit is that every fans excuse for the shitty ass storytelling in the movies is because it's based on a toy property.
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June 22, 2012, 1:47 p.m. CST
It's a Bay Topic..I couldn't resist..the Power of Bay Compelled me
by conspiracy
Hey…Brown Sugar, how about some more fucking coffee over here” America’s favorite director of summer blockbusters shouted out, his hand holding his cup in the air with a shake.. “Fuck Mike, that’s like your 5th god damned cup, you’re gonna stroke out before you get 4 out of the gate” deadpanned his pal and mentor Steven Spielberg, “keep this shit up next thing you know you’re room temp down at Spearmint Rhino and I’m in talks with some pretentious fuck like Nolan who doesn‘t know the first fucking thing about selling merch” A stunning black waitress arrives and fills the jittery directors cup with steaming java, “You need more cream sir?” she asks, a tone of hostility in her voice; “Hell no baby…the cream was for that vanilla fuck..” Bay said matter of fact, pointing at the aging film titan across from him,; “ I like my coffee like my women, hot, black and sticky sweet” Bay cooed as he shoved a $100 bill with his office number written on it into the apron pocket of the lithe woman, who without even looking at the offering walked away. Did I ever tell you that Rosco’s was where I got the inspiration for Mudflap and Skidz?” Steven shook his head no, looking around him, an uncomfortable look on his face; “Yeah..this motherfucker inspires me…helps keep me close to the audience, I know, I know..the fucking self righteous goyim bitched, the NAACP bitched, those unhip fucks that wrote it bitched…but fuck Steve those characters banked cash money, they fucking loved them on the street. I’m still fucking pissed you didn’t jump on the grenade so we could keep them for 3.” Steven leaned forward, whispering, “Mike..they…were..a little ya know,..stereotypically ‘ethnic’ in their…”; “Stereotypically Ethnic!” Bay shouted out, laughing and cutting off the man who once did blow off the tip of E.T’s lit finger; “Shit Steve…look AT that motherfucker over there…“ Bay laughed as he pointed to a man wearing a grill…“ …dude has a mouth of gold and I got crucified over one motherfucking gold tooth and a few exaggerated mannerisms..that scrawny wop Tarantino uses the N word like he was an honorary Black man and I’m the one bitches hate on…shit, you know how many Hawaii’ian chicks I fucked making Pearl Harbor..I’m no racist.” teven, the man who managed to make Karen Allen into a sex symbol in the 80’s fidgeted, and held his finger up to his mouth…”I know, I know Mike…we all know…look…I got something in the works I was thinking about letting you look at…something to show your range, and well…rehabilitate your image as a filmmaker a bit…a bio pic of Rosa Parks..a small film…, something classy, something meaningful, something that will show them Michael Bay has more to offer than Tits, Ass and Explosions. I can picture it Steve,…” Bay said, leaning back from his massive plate of Chicken and Waffles, “… Rosa…on the bus…some big Southern Goy tells her to ‘park her black ass to the back of the bus‘, Rosa is Stoic, determined, we shoot tight on her face…I’m seeing Beyonce, the camera pulls back, we see Rosa clutching her purse, you can see the steam rising from the bitch ya know, see some muscles tightening, she is wearing this kinda low cut thing, Beyonce has a nice rack, that’ll bring in the teen males…and she Stands up and bitch slaps this big cracker and pushes him right out the folding door. ‘Park that motherfucker,cuz Rosa’s ass is riding wherever the fuck it wants’ the title Steve…the Title…come out hard and fast, like a Tarantino Film…, “Parks and Rides” we’ll call it. Throw in some intimate set pieces, low level pyro, some hand to hand stuff…It’ll really resonate with the Urban audience!” Steven nodded, “ya know..there is some good stuff there Mike” Bay smiled…holding up his Coffee Cup once again…”Hey..Brown Sugar…a little more Baby”
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And from all the comments I've seen from you, you probably never will. The Jaws comparison has nothing to do with anything. Jaws is a movie about the people the shark affects - and how they react to their fears. The shark is the antagonist. The Transformers are the protaganists. They have a couple human friends to "ground it", as Mr. Dumbass...er Bay mentions in the article, but that's it. Optimus is the main character. We should be following him and his actions, not a bunch of stupid FBI agents and whatever else Bay shits onto the screen. It's an apples and oranges scenario and I think you know it - though you won't admit it.
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And don't forget about TF: Animated. I loved that damn show whether it was for kids or not. Very well done.
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June 22, 2012, 2:59 p.m. CST
Michael Bay is like watching movies made by a total RETARD!!!
by The Sage
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June 22, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
DUH! HI! I'm MICHAEL BAY! I'M A TOTAL ReTArD!!! I MAKE SOME OF THE DUMBEST MOVIES EVER! DuH!!! HELO EvRY BORDy!!!
by The Sage
I LiKe To WaTch T..V... Cause my name is... What is it again, I forget. Uh. Oh Yeah. MiChaeL BaYyber SnaPpY!! Bye!!! Bye!!!
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June 22, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
It's been months...and I'm a little rusty...but thanks Tiki...
by conspiracy
Just not much time for this shit anymore.
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dumb fun. and funny too. funny enough anyway.
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that is
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June 22, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST
its not like they totally fucked up the franchise like GI JOE did
by FleshMachine
what a massive waste
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rim_(film)
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thats how i feel about gi joe. the comics were great. they had real depth. i always though transformers never had the same depth. the prequels are the BIGGEST disappointments tho.
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June 22, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST
someone tells me why the Spider-Man talkback has been deleted?
by Franck
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June 22, 2012, 4:54 p.m. CST
GAIKING GAIKING GAIKING GAIKING GAIKING GAIKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by the Green Gargantua
What the fuck happened to Gaiking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QSceQzMyjQ&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL761268D0B96B0737
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June 22, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
Do ANY of you recall Harry's RANT on the subject of GAIKING and his promised follow up?
by the Green Gargantua
and than NOTHING. He wrote of the building of scale, practical effects, giant, super mecha robots and than NOTHING. Silence no explanation, nothing. Crickets. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44426
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Now, we only Pacific Rim...
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From my posts, you should easily see I can't stand Bayformers. But I will defend these stupid fucking movies on this one point: G1 Transformers had beards. Here's just a couple I can think of off the top of my head: Unicron, Scourge, certain version of Cyclonus, Alpha Trion, the Quintessons, the Junkions. I know there are many more... but my point is Bay wasn't the one who started putting beards on robots. It goes all the way back to the TR roots. C'mon, guys. I thought you were die hard TF fans? =)
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Who the crap keeps paying to see his movies that they make hundreds of millions of dollars if the mantra across the internet is "Bay sucks"? Honestly, I have no faith left in the thinking capacity of the general public. SOMEONE is keeping this guy behind the camera. The day eventually has to come when we, together, as a people, come together and make a stand that says "NO! We will not eat the cat poop! We will NOT see the steaming turd wrapped in a shiney gold foil wrapper. We will NOT fall for it again!" ...only then will Hollywood be forced to start making quality pictures if it wants to survive. While we're at it, someone needs to make a pre-emptive strike on the Jurassic Park IV project before they hire some asshat director like Bay or McG to utterly defile what little dignity the franchise had left after JPIII sunk it like a metric ton of lead. Bitch slap any writer who so much as thinks of dinos with guns or having them run amock in cities, too. I mean literally, with a spiked steel guantlet, BITCH slap them in front of their children.
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Agreed. That's why I saw the 2nd TF movie for free (a friend promised it was good - he can't recommend movies to me anymore). And I refuse to see the 3rd at all. I will not give Bay any of my money. I want him stopped. He is the anti-christ of quality filmmaking.
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Dude... you have to actually read my post if you want to have a conversation about this.
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June 22, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
Kremzeek - they are robots in disguise. They have to actually HIDE frpm someone.
by Boborci
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But get a supermodel for role of doofus's girlfriend.
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June 22, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
It's Bay...I foresee a film with Female Autobots and Decepticons..
by conspiracy
their exotic alloy curves rendered lovingly in 3D CG...lots of slow, lingering shots of the fembots lubrication ports and exhaust vents as they gyrate and writhe while they transform into Minivans and Kitchen Appliances. I bet one of them even has a tattoo right above her rear central grease zerk.
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"Bee! Stand Down..retract your oiling receptacle we don't have time to swap lubricants" "Ohhh...Optimus...I love your Lithium,...just don't drip it in my optical lenses...it irritates the circuitry." You know it's coming...you know you'll see it.
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in a serious way for the first time in a couple of months and it's a fucking Ghost Town. Only 153 comments on a Michael Bay Transformers film?! What the fuck happened to you people...you used to be beautiful...
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That shit made me snort mtn Dew all over my gov. PC. thank God my boss is gone for the night.
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June 23, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
are you seriously comparing Dark of the moon to a movie released over 20 years ago
by Phategod2
Are you also professing the Box office are indicative of quality. I'l be honest I haven't seen DOtM but I know the other two made a hell of a lot more the the Animated movie but the pale in comparison.
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but they DON'T want to watch movies about BLUE ALIENS. but they DON'T want to watch movies about INSECT LIKE ALIENS IN SOUTH AFRICA. but they DON'T want to watch movies about CGI TOYS . but they DON'T want to watch movies about TALKING BARNYARD ANIMALS.
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We open with Autobot detective Nightbeat narrating, as he is sent by Optimus to investigate possible Decepticon activity. We hear Nightbeat's views on humans, and see Earth through Cybertronian eyes, as he patrols the streets in his vehicle mode, with a tone reminiscent of film noir crossed with Taxi Driver. The holographic image of the "driver" of Nightbeat wears a hat and trench-coat. "Patrolling these streets, silent and unnoticed, the model of discretion, one observes the ebb and flow of life on this mud-ball world. Since arriving here, I have been perplexed by its surreal, decidedly odd nature; incredibly, carbon-based lifeforms have somehow evolved into life. I could scarcely believe it, yet they walk and talk and breathe and speak, often crudely and with little finesse. Even now, I expect the cars and machines to talk, yet they never do. Have they been enslaved? No...at least I don't think so. The human cities have the ambient glow metropolitan Cybertron, resembling cruder imitations of Iacon's glorious spires, of which Bluestreak and Grapple reminisce endlessly, and in which Mirage spent many a happy hour with his aristocratic friends. Outside the gleaming cities, our rusted, forgotten brethren lived, and so it is with humans..." (Nightbeat drives through a slum, out towards the exterior of the city...) "While logic is all very well and good, sometimes you just have to go with your turbine instinct...something troubled me about the human army contingent making its way past the city limits, I sensed something amiss..." (Nightbeat follows the human convoy to a forest retreat...) A jeep emerges in front of the humans gathered (mercenaries) Human merc: "Well, bout' time you showed up..." The jeep transforms, much to the shock of the mercs. It is Swindle. The humans panic and point their guns at Swindle, which he airily ignores. "What kind of weapon are you!?" "Oh, please, fleshlings, do dispense with the paranoia. I'm no weapon, I'm a businessman, and I'm here to do business for our mutual profit. Wanna get rich?" The mercs slowly lower their weapons. Nightbeat, now in robot mode, looks on from far away... "It appears that we are more alike than either of our species would like to think."
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June 23, 2012, 5:56 a.m. CST
They can save money by making Shia LaBeouf's wiener the star of TRANSFORMERS 4. I heard he's cheaper. In fact, he practically works for free. He just wants the ocassional handjob.
by Mr. Pricklepants
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June 23, 2012, 6:11 a.m. CST
THEY NEED TO STOP GIVING BAY MONEY IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Balkin Flabgurter
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PACIFIC RIM will deliver GIANT-ASSED ROBOTS like never before... Go DEL TORO - it's yo BIRFF-DAY!
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bay makes any super gay idea a reality with explosions. Maybe the chick-bots will have a mini dance party during the final battle with decepticons, and all the decepticons will be distracted to them shaking robot booty to black eyed peas while autobots finish them all off and megatrons left nipple will transform into a spider and hitch a ride on a magical vortex back into sequel space :(
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Actually, I take that back. Keeping Bay busy with shit I don't care about is preferable to him having enough time to delve into something I do. I guess I should really hope he goes on to make an endless number of Transformers films. Or retires.
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June 23, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
All I wanted from a Transformers movie...
by Joey_Jo_Jo_Junior_Shabadoo
Was to be able to see them transform. Instead we got 3 movies of blink and you'll miss the metal shards twisting and banging into each other while the camera shakes and spins relentlessly. Focusing in too closely causes blindness. Dammit.
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please stop. Stop destroying my childhood with production abortions.
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Fans that keep making these movies money are only holding on to the childhood memory of how cool the series and the concept of Transformers are.... Cause if the mythology never existed and if you only had these Michael Bay movies to go by, I am betting the market would be so tiny that the first one would've tanked. ......but that is not the reality here, you already have the huge following and plenty of source material. So seriously, how do you fuck up Transformers?? The blue print/ the story boards are already there in the comics,the 86 movie, the series, even the war for cybertron game . How do you fuck that up??? lol...so sad, I can barely even re-watch the first one.
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I don't think well ever get a true TF film. To have them on screen for the majority of a 2 hour movie? Never happen, if they're budget is the same or from what I heard even less.. So why not merge two concepts together? Take Transformers and Mad MAX and combine them. Transformers in a post apocalytic world where humans and robots are starving for fuel /energy.. The possibilities are endless in that scenario I bet it'd cost half of what they spent on the other 3 films . Would make a better movie And be truer to what Transformers are.
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I did not see the test footage, and I did not read the entire talkback if an explanation was mentioned earlier, but that is good to know.
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Foolish comments about giant robots or the science fiction not being the the reason people go see a sci fi film.. Of course the human element is a major draw but so is the sci fi element and the tech..One does not work without the other in the sci fi universe. It is why its called Sci Fi. If people only wanted the human story they go watch a drama. You cant convince anyone here that critically any of the transformers movie's "human" story lines were anything credible or the main drive that made people go to theaters. These transformers films are made for a dumbed down audience period. The quality of the stories in them cant even be mentioned in the same universe let alone them same sentence as Avatar or District 9. Transformer's mega success is a testament to the power of a loyal fan base too. Its Too bad the filmmakers don't get that and cant deliver at least a halfway credible "human " story to go along with the utter bad assness that the Transformers SHOULD be.
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HACK.
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Maybe you're right. Let him keep making this crap so that he doesn't poison Hollywood anymore than he already has.
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....it was a lame cartoon back in the day and it's still lame as a live action movie series. Nothing has changed, only the tech to make this films has.
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...than the cartoon series, which languished in 5 minute chunks on "Wacaday" during the summer Holidays. They were not worth the hard slog through Timmy Mallet (the TV equivalent of water torture) to get to. The UK comics, meanwhile were amongst the biggest selling publications in the UK, even rivalling the mighty Radio Times at their peak. Simon Furman has been the king of Transformers lore ever since, while Bryan Hitch began his career at Transformers UK, working with his mentor, the legendary Geoff Senior. And don't forget Death's Head, yes? I remember watching the cartoon show and being appalled by how shit Shockwave and Grimlock (both amazing characters in the comics) were, having experienced Budiansky's calculating, cold Shockwave and Furman's arrogant yet noble Grimlock. Unlike Bay, the cartoon makers at least had the excuse that Shockwave and Grimlock's tech specs/character bios were not available. The battle of Autobot city at the beginning of Transformers: The Movie apes the violent, dark tone of the comics and, in terms of its pacing and atmosphere, wipes the floor with any of Bay's muddled, spastic action set-pieces.
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"Pop culture" often reflects cultural shifts. I think something that illustrates the cultural change is the contrast between Optimus Prime's character in Transformers: The Movie (and indeed the comics), and Dark of the Moon. Animated movie: "You, who are without mercy, now plead for it? I thought you were made of sterner stuff." Dark of the Moon: "We will kill them all." What made Prime heroic? What made him a role model to so many children? It was not his power or physical strength, it was his determination to do the right thing, to be compassionate towards others, even at cost to himself. His refusal to let the ends justify the means. His death is moving because it is his compassion that leads to his death. In the comic books Prime wrestled with whether his morals had prolonged the war. That does not make him a fool, its because he's a good person. Bay equates ruthlessness and brute force with heroism. Thus we get a Prime who is a dick and quite happy to let people die to prove a point, and coldly talks of mass murder (even Grimlock wouldn't go that far). Bay admires strength, not virtue, he only likes winners. In Hollywood movies might is right. We exalt characters for being "bad-ass" rather than truly admirable qualities. Did we have to let Bay detonate four quarters of the storytelling?
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Grimlock: "I say you're soft, I say we kill them a-" Optimus: "Hey, I already said that, and I'm cool with killing." Grimlock: "Oh, that line you said and what you did, kind of makes me redundant as a character."
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but the toys were amazing. I was obsessed with those for a while.
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June 24, 2012, 6:43 a.m. CST
As long Bay is making Transformers movies he's not fucking up something else.
by AsimovLives
It's a bummer for you Transformers fans, but somebody has to take one for the team. You do have my uttermost sympathy, of course. As for the opiniosn above that only Transformers fans thinks the Bay movies are bad because they are too attached to childhood nostalgia, that's nonsense. I'm no Transformers fan, that franchise means next to nothing to me, but that doesn't prevent me from realising how terrible this Bay movies are. It's not that they fail as Transformers movies, they fail AS movies. That they are still immensely popular is truly something very sad to witness.
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Bay's movies were made to be heckled.
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So right. I'm doing the same thing, i'm also waiting for the rifftrax version as well. Rifftrax is the only way to actually find some real fun with a Mr Bay's movie.
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June 24, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
MY ONLY REQUEST: PLEASE MAKE EACH ROBOT LOOK UNIQUE. I STILL CAN'T TELL WHO THE HELL IS WHO WHEN I WATCH THESE MOVIES.
by Darth Busey
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June 24, 2012, 6:10 p.m. CST
you guys are asking good common sense from a michael bay movie? good luck with that!
by AsimovLives
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A family is torn apart when the daughter brings her Cybertronian fiance home. Some of them disapprove, and others point out the difficult life they'll have- that their marriage would be illegal in this state...
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June 24, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
transformers needs a redo..theyre current state is enough to make trillions but who takes them seriously in any way in the filmworld
by red_eddie
i dont agree that sci fi isnt accepted because its not real..not a bit. Just saw Prometheus which was made by one of the masters of the genre and Its one of the best films ive seen this year. A perfect blend of sci fi in it but also quite a bit of humanity and big moral questions. Essentially its a horror movie.. but man was it good. Who knows if it'll make a billion dollars but it certainly deserves it. M Bay simply is a poor example of how to execute transformers . i don't think anyone should accept that level of garbage. However there is a way to make a great TF film it just hasn't been accomplished yet. btw i like wes andersons movies but i simply prefer to rent them ..theyre so low key and subdued i cant justify paying a to watch them in a theater. his movies make me feel like the equivalent of staring at a really good painting. It feels like a movie that doesnt move..but yea somehow some of them are good.
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No one said only die hard transformers fans think that the TF movies are bad...At least i didn't. I said that die hard fans are the majority of the ones sustaining the franchise and continuing shelling out money for this garbage, No matter how bad the movies are or how bad they will be. I think EVERYONE acknowledges that the TF are bad.. I couldnt even get my little nephews to watch them. It couldnt hold their interest longer than 5 seconds..When i watched any one of the films I felt like the movie was going through a Bi-polar mania episode
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... PUT FLAMES ON CYBERTRON!
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They *are* hiding from someone... the entire rest of the civilized world on Earth! This is TF101, man. Seriously, c'mon. It's getting pathetic now, bro. The Transformers are hiding from the entire Earth's population. They choose to trust a handful of humans with the secrets of 1: their existence and 2: that they can hide in plain sight without the rest of the world even knowing. So, yes, they are indeed hiding and being "robots in disguise". I'm not saying there should be NO humans in the movie (like some TBers are - which is just silly), but the story should follow Optimus and his merry band of Autobot rebels (and secondarily, the few trusted human characters). Instead, we get movies that follow Shia's character and his stupid, unfunny parents. I can only assume TF3 did more of the same (never saw it, and not going to). This is very simple stuff here. I'm still having such a horribly tough time understanding how the crews on these films keep fucking it all up. It's not even difficult to get right. So frustrating.
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As one of the only TBers who usually agrees with you (from back in "dstrange" days), I must again say you're right on. Not that I want to be one of the poor TF fans who's having a beloved franchise destroyed right before his eyes, but I get what you mean. And it's true! As long as Bay is wallowing in TF movies forever, he can't fuck up anything else... well, unless you count Plat Dunes. And, yeah, I agree also that they're just terrible *films*. I've looked at them objectively (honestly!... and the proof is I allowed Bay one more chance with TF2 and he failed again), but they are just wretched films from the script, to the crew, to the production, to the execution and presentation... all the way thru and thru. They are AWFUL films, regardless of the TF context.
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In the current Bayformers flicks, tell me how "disguising" themselves was even needed. They are typically in shitfest - er "robot" mode and are running around out in the open for most of the movie anyway. So, uh... what's the point in even transforming? It has no benefit in the Bay movies. Plus, in the Bayformers lore (borrowed from the Allspark stories), they can change into any car or truck or plane or whatever they want... So, how does this make any of the characters or what they transform into even matter? *What* they transform into helped determine their personalities in a lot of instances. Not in the Bay flicks. The whole franchise is completely fucked up on the ground level. *That's* the problem. The people involved in these movies simply don't care about the source material, and it's blatantly obvious. I find it ironic that you're calling me out on why they'd even need to transform... when I can ask the same damn question of the movies you're attempting to defend.
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I may note like your writing (esp on this franchise), but as a human being, I don't know you. So, I have nothing against you personally. So, if I seem like a dick, sorry about that. But I CARE about the Transformers franchise. That's where all this angst comes from - I want the films to be good, and with Bay & Co onboard, that's never going to happen. It makes me sad.
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